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Speaker 2: Hi. I'm Jess Cosavetto, executive producer of the hit Netflix

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Speaker 2: documentary series Dancing for the Devil, the Seven M TikTok Cult.

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Speaker 1: And I'm Khalia Gray, current social media marketing consultant and

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Speaker 1: former member of seven M Films and Chicina Church.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Forgive Me For I Have Followed. On this series,

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Speaker 2: we're embarking on a gripping journey into the hidden and

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Speaker 2: harrowing truths behind high controlled groups and shedding light on

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Speaker 2: stories from those whose lives and careers have been impacted

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Speaker 2: by it.

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Speaker 1: Through powerful, in depth interviews with former members and new,

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Speaker 1: chilling first hand accounts, the series will illuminate untold and

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Speaker 1: extremely necessary perspectives.

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Speaker 2: Forgive Me For I Have Followed is more than an exploration.

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Speaker 2: It's a platform highlighting untold stories and driving for the

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Speaker 2: possibility of healing. And with that said, let's dive into

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Speaker 2: the show. Chicaina Church is a southern California based religious

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Speaker 2: organization founded by Robert Schin in the nineteen nineties. This

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Speaker 2: religious group's focus was to raise up leaders and follow

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Speaker 2: the Gospel for prosperity. As the years went on and

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Speaker 2: the church expanded its outreach, allegations of isolation, abuse, and

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Speaker 2: defraud arose. A couple of years ago, Robert and his

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Speaker 2: wife Hannah started seven M Films, a talent management company

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Speaker 2: that helped primarily TikTok dancers grow their careers while inviting

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Speaker 2: Chicaina Church and seven M have faced significant public scrutiny.

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Speaker 2: The series alleges that their CEO, Robert Shin, ran a

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Speaker 2: cult through seven M Films in Chicino Church, where he

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Speaker 1: Here's Khalia, I'm going to take you through my story

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Speaker 3: We had hopes of moving to la and we did it.

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Speaker 1: Robert Schin, or the self proclaimed man of God.

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Speaker 1: Exactly because almost everyone at that dinner table Kevin had

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Speaker 2: Welcome back. We're breaking down Kalia's experience with seven M

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Speaker 3: We're talking about me.

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Speaker 2: That's right. So what was your initial impression of seven

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Speaker 1: So we had mentioned that at the dinner table, and

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Speaker 1: I see the potential here, Like there's so many talented

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Speaker 1: The people write under Robert at that time was Daniel

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Speaker 2: a look, and then you meet you know people and

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Speaker 2: yes you are aware at that point that they're part

441
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Speaker 2: of the church, or.

442
00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:28,960
Speaker 1: Yes they had said it's all other church members live upstairs.

443
00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:31,439
Speaker 1: But you have the two downstairs bedroom and like two

444
00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:33,359
Speaker 1: bath it's like a two bedroom, two bath. It felt

445
00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:36,080
Speaker 1: like our own private wing of the house because it's

446
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Speaker 1: like right in right on the right hand side, and

447
00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:39,600
Speaker 1: we have the two bedrooms, the bathroom, and like the

448
00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:45,199
Speaker 1: hallway closet, which in LA that's like clutch it's and

449
00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:48,320
Speaker 1: the rest of the house is huge, and like even

450
00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:51,520
Speaker 1: at the dinner table, like the other dancers were saying, well,

451
00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:54,000
Speaker 1: we shoot a lot of our content there, so we're like, oh,

452
00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,639
Speaker 1: perfect we'll be in the house that people come to

453
00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,440
Speaker 1: make the content at. But it wasn't necessarily a content house, yes,

454
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Speaker 1: because there was still a family that lived there at

455
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Speaker 1: the time, And actually originally I was helping watching Marylyn's

456
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Speaker 1: daughter because she was still a baby at the time.

457
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Speaker 1: Kylie is another one of the dancers that was a

458
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Speaker 1: part of seven M in Chakaina, and that was something

459
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Speaker 1: the church members had presented to me.

460
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Speaker 3: First. Shirley and Daniel, the mentors, were like.

461
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Speaker 1: Well, the house that she moved into, Marylyn actually really

462
00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,000
Speaker 1: needs up with a babysitter. We can pay you X

463
00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:26,280
Speaker 1: amount to help watch the baby while she's at work.

464
00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:28,119
Speaker 1: She works from home, so I would watch the baby

465
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Speaker 1: downstairs in the mornings and Marylyn would be upstairs doing

466
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Speaker 1: her work. And that was kind of like the first

467
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Speaker 1: two months that we were in seven M. So it

468
00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,240
Speaker 1: was like a house off the bat, a little side

469
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Speaker 1: job gig of babysitting. And I love kids, great with kids.

470
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Speaker 3: I have kids.

471
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I was like, oh, wow, right off the bat,

472
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Speaker 1: we have things.

473
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Speaker 3: To do in La Yeah, which is so great.

474
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Speaker 2: So getting started going in, having a place to live,

475
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Speaker 2: having a side gig at this point is Kevin shooting

476
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Speaker 2: content with people.

477
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Speaker 1: Right away, they were already talking about, oh, what videos

478
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Speaker 1: they wanted to shoot. I think when I first joined,

479
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,080
Speaker 1: people were still kind of getting their feeling on how

480
00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,760
Speaker 1: we were going to operate, like as seven MS specifically.

481
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Speaker 1: That was one of the things that was kind of

482
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Speaker 1: held over the heads was like, I know Kylie was

483
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:18,720
Speaker 1: not a part of seven M yet, but like, oh,

484
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Speaker 1: if she worked hard enough and she showed like her

485
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:24,959
Speaker 1: commitment level to like what we have going on over here.

486
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,160
Speaker 1: Because Kylie had other things going on at the time

487
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Speaker 1: that seven M I think felt like it's taking your

488
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:31,880
Speaker 1: time away from what we're doing over here. We don't

489
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Speaker 1: know if we can trust you because you have too

490
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Speaker 1: much going on. So it was very much that's why

491
00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,400
Speaker 1: you're not in seven M is because your commitment level

492
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,400
Speaker 1: isn't high enough and we're doing things every day.

493
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Speaker 3: Like that was the air that was.

494
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Speaker 1: Kind of It really was presented to us as a

495
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Speaker 1: church first, like especially with like the Bible study, and

496
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,480
Speaker 1: you know, Kevin and I both have history with Christianity.

497
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,119
Speaker 1: So even the house that we moved into, it was

498
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Speaker 1: like they had told us think of this as like

499
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Speaker 1: an extension of the church. Like the seven M is

500
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Speaker 1: here to help us build the church.

501
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Speaker 2: What was your role in seven M.

502
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Speaker 1: When I we had first joined the church and later

503
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:11,719
Speaker 1: on seven M the management company. I was in school

504
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 1: for social media marketing, That's what like I was taking

505
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:14,919
Speaker 1: classes for.

506
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:16,040
Speaker 3: I was doing it online.

507
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,439
Speaker 1: And Kevin and I went to lunch with like Robert

508
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,880
Speaker 1: and a few of the mentors of the church, and

509
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:24,920
Speaker 1: he had like said, oh, have you ever like thought

510
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,359
Speaker 1: about filming? And I was like, Yo, it's actually I

511
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 1: filmed Kevin all the time, and like I don't mind

512
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:33,199
Speaker 1: being behind a camera. And that was something that Robert

513
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:34,399
Speaker 1: was saying, was like, you know, we have like a

514
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 1: lot of talent, a lot of dancers, but we need

515
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,000
Speaker 1: more like videographers, like you know, if you're down for

516
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:42,399
Speaker 1: I want to set you up with his son Isaiah Reno,

517
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 1: who was another member of seven M and Chicana, so

518
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 1: they can help teach you the ropes and get you

519
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 1: behind a camera and that way you can help like

520
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:53,640
Speaker 1: contribute basically to the operations. And so I think even

521
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:57,440
Speaker 1: being introduced to these people, I was like, Wow, they

522
00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 1: showed me how much like possibility there was, Like, oh,

523
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,639
Speaker 1: you can really create a career off of something that

524
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,120
Speaker 1: you're passionate about. And I think that was an alien

525
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,640
Speaker 1: concept to me. And so after, like you know what,

526
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 1: maybe I will take up filming and just learn how

527
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Speaker 1: to film and get mentored in film by Isaiah because

528
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 1: what he does has been incredible.

529
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 3: He does really a really good job.

530
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Speaker 1: And I learned how to film, so I would film

531
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Speaker 1: some of their brand deals. And then I also was

532
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,479
Speaker 1: part of their operations when we would do big what

533
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 1: we would call it content days, where all the dancers

534
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 1: would get together and we would film like fifty to

535
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,640
Speaker 1: seventy videos in a day or two, and I would

536
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 1: help them organize like the times, the schedules, getting everybody's

537
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:39,360
Speaker 1: music ahead of time, because it really was like a

538
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 1: high production. And so I really helped like assistant direct

539
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 1: basically with Isaiah, just making sure we're on schedule and

540
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 1: the dancers are ready for their numbers and calling people

541
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Speaker 1: who are next.

542
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Speaker 2: How long is a content day?

543
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Speaker 3: Typically it would be like a whole day event. We'd

544
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Speaker 3: start early and go into the night.

545
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Speaker 2: She's a producer, Yeah, yeah, she's already done it.

546
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Speaker 3: It's on a resume, yeah, it is, honestly, No, that

547
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 3: was my role.

548
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Speaker 2: So you're you're shooting this content, you're being mentored, you're

549
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 2: learning this new craft. You're going to church services, Bible studies,

550
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 2: men and women Bible studies are different, or men's groups

551
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Speaker 2: women's groups. How does that? How does that all work?

552
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Speaker 1: So from my experience, in the time that I was

553
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 1: in Chicina, there was a men's Bible study, there was

554
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Speaker 1: a women's Bible study, and there were two church services,

555
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,920
Speaker 1: one on Sunday, one on Wednesday, and then I forget

556
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 1: which day of the week, but there was another Bible

557
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,399
Speaker 1: study meeting that was more like Inner Circle as far

558
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 1: as like the dancers go. And so at first Kevin

559
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,160
Speaker 1: and I were going to all of them, and then

560
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Speaker 1: after the first couple of weeks, Kevin and I were

561
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 1: like disinvited from the super secret Inner Circle dancers meeting. Interesting,

562
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 1: what do you know why Kevin didn't want to go

563
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 1: one day and then it was like, Okay, you're revoked.

564
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 1: And for Kevin and I it really helped because those

565
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,400
Speaker 1: nights that we didn't have to go to that super

566
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 1: secret meeting, like we were able to just go on

567
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,879
Speaker 1: date nights, go to Elta Hano's in Hollywood and just

568
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,400
Speaker 1: be outside and hang out and hindsight, I'm really grateful

569
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,880
Speaker 1: we weren't there, but also maybe I would have seen

570
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,679
Speaker 1: more red flags if we were at the super secret

571
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,399
Speaker 1: meeting the whole time. But the part that helped it

572
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 1: not feel like it was four or five days a week, like, oh,

573
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Speaker 1: you're going constantly, because it's like we're still with a

574
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Speaker 1: group of you know, people whom we considered friends, right,

575
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 1: and a lot of the times for like the women's meeting,

576
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 1: or we're going over like work, things we're talking about

577
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 1: like ideas that we have and things that we've done,

578
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 1: and the accomplishments that like the team has made, like

579
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 1: oh we got to do this and this happened, Yay,

580
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 1: Praise the Lord.

581
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Speaker 2: Like, so you're going to this women's group with all

582
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 2: these women, did you experience any sort of red flags?

583
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:50,879
Speaker 3: Oh in those meetings?

584
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,920
Speaker 2: Or when did you experience the first kind of something's

585
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 2: not right here?

586
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Speaker 1: Honestly, the first one where I really was like me,

587
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:06,159
Speaker 1: really pause and ponder was when Marilyn, my roommate at

588
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,160
Speaker 1: the time, had decided to leave and she was explaining

589
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 1: to me a little bit of her story and how

590
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 1: she felt like the church wasn't happy or you know,

591
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,439
Speaker 1: That's the first thing that kind of gave me pause.

592
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 1: Another red flag of mine this is when Marilyn was

593
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 1: still there, was I had heard Robert talking to his

594
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,639
Speaker 1: other son, like he has his son Isaiah Shin and

595
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 1: then he had another son that was living there at

596
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,880
Speaker 1: the time. And I was like in one of the

597
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,159
Speaker 1: offices that they have on like the property where they

598
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,439
Speaker 1: filmed some of the things, and I heard Robert ya

599
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 1: yelling at his like ripping his son a new one

600
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 1: over something that at the time I thought was like

601
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 1: so minor. And I was sitting there and I was like,

602
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 1: I know he can't hear me, because I'm like, like,

603
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 1: he doesn't know why I'm here listening. But I just

604
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 1: heard him talk to him so recklessly, and I was like,

605
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 1: that's a totally different person than I see on the pulpit. Yeah,

606
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 1: And that also gave me like, a hm, is this

607
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 1: how he is behind those doors? And then also there

608
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,160
Speaker 1: were things like some of the things that Robert would

609
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 1: say on the pulpit, They're like, oh, your donations are

610
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 1: going to be used because we're giving church, so we

611
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: like to give our money to other churches, and we

612
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 1: want to do this this and that and so like

613
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, like that makes sense. So it

614
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 1: sounds like what we're supposed to be donating to for charity,

615
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 1: to help other people out. And like I remember thinking,

616
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 1: like I wonder if like our money is going where

617
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,880
Speaker 1: he says it's going. Is that really like what's happening?

618
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 3: I think?

619
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Speaker 1: And then the things started to add up. The live

620
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 1: came out. But what really like shook us. That was

621
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 1: our big moment, and it was talked about on the

622
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 1: documentary is when like Daniel his right hand man, and

623
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 1: Chloe his daughter, who were married or are married, left

624
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 1: the church and we were like, that is your co

625
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 1: captain and your child and they're up and leaving and

626
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 1: not saying a word to anyone and just disappeared off

627
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 1: the face of the earth. What happened and what was

628
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,479
Speaker 1: going on to cause them to have And Daniel had

629
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Speaker 1: dedicated with thirty plus years of his life to this church.

630
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 1: For him to just up and leave, that isn't just

631
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 1: going to be for no reason. And then more things

632
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 1: started coming out after Daniel and Chloe left, I really

633
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: saw the switch.

634
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 3: And Robert because he starts tweaking on.

635
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 1: The podium like it's just like like it was to

636
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 1: where like we are looking around at each other and

637
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: we're like.

638
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 2: Is he okay? Is he okay?

639
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 3: Because I thought the allegations were fake.

640
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 1: But the way you're acting right now, you're acting like

641
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 1: a guilty person.

642
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 2: That's when the panic said in That.

643
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 1: Is really the good word to use, because we're sitting

644
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 1: in the pews and we're watching this man and we're like,

645
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 1: this looks like someone who's guilty and is panicking. This

646
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: doesn't look like somebody who people are making baseless claims

647
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 1: off of. Otherwise I would have been like, no, there's

648
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 1: really no merit to this, but that's not what Robert

649
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 1: had said.

650
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 3: Like he just really was freaking out, and we're like, huh,

651
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 3: this is getting deranged. We'll be right back after the break.

652
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 2: Welcome back. We're breaking down Coalia's experience with seven M

653
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 2: and the Kina Church. I still have so many questions

654
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 2: for Daniel and Chloe.

655
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: Of like wife, so many questions for Daniel and Chloe.

656
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 2: I get like, what was it what was that moment

657
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 2: that made them say I'm out, Yeah, I'm done, Which

658
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 2: is kind of the next question I have for you.

659
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Speaker 2: It is like, what was that moment that you and

660
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Speaker 2: Kevin were like, this isn't for us. We need to

661
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 2: reassess our situation and we need to get out of this. Yeah.

662
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: So when Daniel and Chloe had left, it really made

663
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Speaker 1: us kind of sit and review because again, these are

664
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Speaker 1: people that are like closest to him, his right hand man,

665
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 1: his daughter, and for me, I really thought about like

666
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 1: how am I being treated here?

667
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 3: And while the mentors never spoke to me any.

668
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 1: Type of crazy way, I was also feeling like at

669
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 1: the end of the day, I don't feel good after

670
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 1: spending a lot of time with these people, because especially

671
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: my position where it was like I'm around the dancers,

672
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:57,479
Speaker 1: but I'm not like a dancer myself.

673
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 3: I'm not an influencer. I'm not a public figure.

674
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 1: I kind of help with behind the scenes and I

675
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 1: help with production and like that's all like fine and dandy,

676
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 1: but like I think part of that separation too of like, well,

677
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: you're not what they are and wrapped up in like, well,

678
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: I don't think God has this calling on your life.

679
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 1: You're not meant to be in front of the camera,

680
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: Like you don't have what it takes to be in

681
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: front of the camera.

682
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 2: I think I've never seen your hair, because you have

683
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 2: the most fabulous hair and absolutely stunning. So she deserves

684
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 2: if she wanted to be in front of the camera,

685
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 2: she could be in front of the camera, and the

686
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 2: camera she chooses not to.

687
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 3: And I think that was really like the feeling of

688
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 3: it too.

689
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: And like even with like social media them telling me, like,

690
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 1: you know, that's not what God has called on your life.

691
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,239
Speaker 1: You don't have to be on social media because I

692
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: don't think God has that for you. And so even

693
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 1: like at the time, I was like building my TikTok

694
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: following and I think I had like fifty thousand followers, like,

695
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: and I was starting to get somewhere, and it was like, oh, well,

696
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: maybe this is just a distraction from like the path

697
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: I feel like I should be walking with God. Yeah,

698
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 1: I had deleted all of my social media accounts.

699
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, because they said it wasn't your calling and m hmm.

700
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: And that's where like that influence comes in of like

701
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: it's just going to be a distraction for you, Like,

702
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 1: oh but if if that's what you want to do,

703
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 1: but you'll you'll go to hell, like you know what

704
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: I mean, Like it's whatever you want to do, but

705
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 1: that's not how you get to heaven.

706
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know. Daniel and Chloe leave, and then.

707
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: I start going over how I've been treated in the church.

708
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 1: Things aren't adding up, and then I think about like

709
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: how I've heard how other people have been spoken to.

710
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 1: And then like all of the dancers had gotten together,

711
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,239
Speaker 1: like Kevin and some of the other dancers, they were

712
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: filming a video that.

713
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 3: Day, and they kind of were all like.

714
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 1: Testing the waters with each other, and they're like, so

715
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: does Robert seem like he's panicking to you?

716
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 3: Like does he see does something seem off?

717
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 1: I think that was like the exact words that were

718
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 1: asked was like does something seem off to you guys?

719
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: And then it's just like the dam broke. And then

720
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: they all started talking and sharing their stories. And then

721
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 1: I got together with two of the other dance members

722
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: who decided to leave, and like as like the girl

723
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 1: or the women, the girls, we started like sharing stories

724
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: and I heard about how like their mentor would treat

725
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: them and it would be insane, like the body shaming,

726
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 1: the this and that, and like the direct like first

727
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: hand accounts of like where they were with their mentor

728
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: versus like where I was with Sureley, who was my mentor,

729
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 1: I was like, she never speaks to me like that,

730
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: and the intensity I think of what they were put through,

731
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 1: and we start like comparing things side by side and

732
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 1: we're like, this is not a safe situation.

733
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 3: I think we really need.

734
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: To leave and take anybody with us that we can

735
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 1: because nobody should be.

736
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Speaker 3: Here right now.

737
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, in that conversation. Were James and Miranda a part

738
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 2: of that at the time or.

739
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 3: The initial conversation.

740
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:42,239
Speaker 1: No, But I think once the first few people who

741
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: were talking realized like, hey, I think we should leave, Like,

742
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 1: let's really decide to get out of here because this

743
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: is dangerous. This caused a lot of emotional distress and

744
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: once like we had decided that. Kevin especially brought it

745
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 1: to all of his friends at the time, who he

746
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: felt like were his brothers, but you know, as of

747
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 1: it's not that case. But he brought it to James

748
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: and Chez and all of the dnswers had gotten together

749
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 1: at one point to talk about, like, Hey, let's really

750
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,320
Speaker 1: sit and reflect here, like this is not safe.

751
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was so much coming out at that time

752
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 2: that I would imagine it's a little bit overwhelming. And

753
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 2: then obviously like you're trying to decide what is you know,

754
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 2: what's real, what's not, what's accurate, what's not, And then

755
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 2: you're basing it on the experience that you have. And

756
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,879
Speaker 2: some are more extreme than others, right, which we heard

757
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 2: in the dock. You know, some people talk more about theirs,

758
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 2: which would love to kind of dive deeper into.

759
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: Later, But I think that's wade it so hard for

760
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: us who is hearing all of these stories and what

761
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: people like in the public were saying like, oh, you

762
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 1: guys are doing this to you and they're doing that

763
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:43,839
Speaker 1: to you, and me being like, no, they're not. Like

764
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 1: some of the things to me felt outlandish at the

765
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 1: time because and I took it with a grain of

766
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: salt because I was like, oh, I didn't have that

767
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: personal experience, so it must not be true. But like,

768
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: come to find out that is really not the case.

769
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 1: There's a lot of times where someone treats you one way,

770
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 1: but they treat somebody else a completely different way. I

771
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 1: think we were still being like initiated because again we

772
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 1: weren't part of the inner circle.

773
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 3: Like it was still very much like let's take.

774
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 1: Them out to dinner, let's do this, this and that,

775
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: Like we're still being felt like courted, and like while

776
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: we were going to the sermons, like there was just

777
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 1: a lot that we weren't invited to, like, but there

778
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: was a lot of money that was lost. There was

779
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 1: a lot of like separation between me and like my

780
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 1: friends and family that now that I sit and like

781
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: look back on, I'm like, oh, that's time that I

782
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 1: really lost under what I thought was something that was

783
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 1: going to be good for me spiritually mentally, but it

784
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: just turns out it really wasn't.

785
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 3: There was so many ulterior motives.

786
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, which I'm so sorry. So with this podcast, what

787
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 2: do you hope to accomplish with it? What do you

788
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 2: hope people take away.

789
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: I'm hoping to give more people who were affected by

790
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 1: this group a platform, especially if they feel like they

791
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 1: haven't been able to speak in the past, or they

792
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: even didn't want to speak in the past, but they

793
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 1: want to now. I'm hoping they have like the opportunity

794
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: to tell their story and you know, hopefully heal from

795
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: it and within that like kind of give a warning

796
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 1: to other people who might be listening that like it

797
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: can happen to anybody.

798
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 3: I know.

799
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: It feels like, oh, I'll never be around the situations,

800
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: but like we've seen this same story with just different

801
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,240
Speaker 1: wrapping paper on it. It's not always like Jesus and God.

802
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,720
Speaker 1: That makes it a cult, right, So I'm really hoping

803
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:20,839
Speaker 1: to help like tell these stories that I think need

804
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 1: to be told and help some healing come from like

805
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 1: a really dark and dangerous situation that a lot of

806
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:27,839
Speaker 1: us were in.

807
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, yeah.

808
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 1: So on that same note, I really want to know, like,

809
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 1: what do you hope to get out of this podcast?

810
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 4: You know?

811
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 2: I think having done the documentary, it's about continuing the story,

812
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 2: continuing to have a space that people can feel they

813
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 2: can share their story, not be judged by it, have

814
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,720
Speaker 2: some healing in that process, and hopefully continue this story

815
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 2: to expose this organization and this person and these people,

816
00:36:55,960 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 2: to maybe reunite families, to maybe shake people out of situation.

817
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 2: Or maybe it's like not even shaken out of it.

818
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 2: Maybe it's like they want to get out and they

819
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 2: don't know how, And maybe listening to this podcast, whether

820
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 2: that be inside Chakaina or seven M or another controlled

821
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 2: environ might say like wait, I can relate to that,

822
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 2: I've experienced something like that and maybe helped them.

823
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, that's beautiful.

824
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 2: I really do. I really do care about you, and

825
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 2: I'm so thankful that we had that time in the

826
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,359
Speaker 2: Fush shop. And I have so much respect for you

827
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 2: because I think going through that process and filming with

828
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 2: you over the year that we were doing this, like

829
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,760
Speaker 2: the amount of information and the detail that you provided

830
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 2: was so helpful to just better understand the inner workings,

831
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 2: but also more importantly for people to understand that anyone

832
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 2: can fall into this, Like you are obviously a very educated,

833
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 2: smart woman that is street savvy as well. I think

834
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 2: I leaned in because I was like, I kind of

835
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 2: feel like I'm similar to her, and if she was

836
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 2: able to fall into something like this, then really anyone is.

837
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 1: What would make someone work their ass off to buy

838
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: a house and then give it all up for a

839
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:13,479
Speaker 1: promise to get closer to God.

840
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 3: More on that next week with my former housemate Marilyn.

841
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 2: We'll be back soon, and thank you for listening to

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Speaker 2: Forgive Me For I Have Followed.

843
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: Forgive Me For I Have Followed is a production from

844
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 1: wv Sound, Dirty Robert and iHeartMedia's Michael Tore podcast Network,

845
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: hosted by me Khaliah.

846
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,959
Speaker 2: Gray Can Me Jess Coosobetto Forgive.

847
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 1: Me for I Have Followed is produced by Aaron Burlson

848
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 1: and Sophie Spencer's zabos Our.

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00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 2: Executive producers are Khalia Gray, Myself, Warmer Balderama, Leo Klam

850
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 2: and Aaron Burlison at WV Sound.

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Speaker 1: This episode was edited by Sean Tracy and features original

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00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,359
Speaker 1: music by Madison Davenport and Halo Boy.

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Speaker 3: For more podcasts from iHeart, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

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