WEBVTT - Tech News: Good Apples and Bad Apples

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to tech Stuff, a production from I Heart Radio.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff. I'm your host,

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<v Speaker 1>Jonathan Strickland. I'm an executive producer with I Heart Radio

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<v Speaker 1>and I love all things tech, and it is time

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<v Speaker 1>for the tech news for Tuesday, September twenty one. First

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<v Speaker 1>up today is when Apple holds its iPhone event. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>as I record this, that event has not yet happened.

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<v Speaker 1>It is scheduled to happen at one pm Eastern, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm recording this approximately ten am Eastern, so it's quite

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<v Speaker 1>possible that it has already happened by the time you

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<v Speaker 1>listen to this podcast. And in that case, if you

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<v Speaker 1>could do me a solid and send me an email

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<v Speaker 1>through some sort of subspace time warp to let me

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<v Speaker 1>know what's going to be talked about, I would really

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate it. And just check email. There's nothing there. You

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<v Speaker 1>have all failed me. But the rumor is that the

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<v Speaker 1>new iPhone is not going to look that much different

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<v Speaker 1>from the previous generation, and that it will probably have

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<v Speaker 1>a relatively modest set of upgrades. Now still undoubtedly going

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<v Speaker 1>to be more powerful and have more features than earlier iPhones,

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<v Speaker 1>but the general expectation is that it won't be a

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<v Speaker 1>guard ganguin leap forward or departure. Other rumors suggest that

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna see an updated Apple Watch with perhaps a

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<v Speaker 1>bigger screen and maybe some updates to the air Pod earbuds.

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<v Speaker 1>Some real optimists out there are hoping that Apple will

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<v Speaker 1>finally talk about its VR and a our products and development. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe that will happen. It would be one heck of

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<v Speaker 1>a of a one more thing. But I suspect we

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<v Speaker 1>are not going to get that at this event. I

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<v Speaker 1>would love to be proven wrong. However, speaking of Apple,

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<v Speaker 1>late last week, a federal judge granted an injunction against

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<v Speaker 1>Apple on alf of Epic Games. So, for those of

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<v Speaker 1>you not familiar with this story, here's the gist of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Epic Games makes a game called Fortnite, and one way

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<v Speaker 1>that Fortnite makes money is through in game purchases. Players

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<v Speaker 1>spend real world money to get in game currency, which

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<v Speaker 1>they can then use to purchase all sorts of stuff

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<v Speaker 1>inside the game, like you know, character skins and emotes

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<v Speaker 1>and that kind of thing. Both Apple and Google have

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<v Speaker 1>a policy that any app on their platform that has

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<v Speaker 1>in app purchases is supposed to use the official app

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<v Speaker 1>store transaction system that gives Apple or Google a cut,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's typically around the mark. Epic cheekily encouraged players

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<v Speaker 1>on iOS and Android devices to use a workaround to

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<v Speaker 1>purchase currency in game directly from Epic bypassing those app

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<v Speaker 1>transaction systems, and it would give Epic a share of

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<v Speaker 1>those trans actions, cutting out you know, Apple and Google

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<v Speaker 1>in the process. Apple and Epic have since been in

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<v Speaker 1>a series of fights, both legal and public relations fights

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<v Speaker 1>since that time. This recent injunction would allow developers to

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<v Speaker 1>use those outside payment solutions for iOS apps. Now, that's

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<v Speaker 1>obviously a big hit to Apple's revenue stream, although, as

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<v Speaker 1>I've mentioned on this show before, Apple does not get

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<v Speaker 1>so granular as to break out how much money the

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<v Speaker 1>app store brings into the company. It gets lumped in

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<v Speaker 1>with a bunch of other stuff. But that move in

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<v Speaker 1>turn prompted a bit of a sell off of Apple stock,

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<v Speaker 1>which dropped three point three and value. Now, that's less

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<v Speaker 1>than five percent. It doesn't sound like very much, right,

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<v Speaker 1>but we're talking about a company that's worth more than

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<v Speaker 1>two trillion dollars, So that meant Apple lost about eighty

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<v Speaker 1>five billion dollars in value due to that slip in

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<v Speaker 1>stock price, and that blows my mind, like billion dollars

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<v Speaker 1>is an unimaginable amount of money all by itself, let

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<v Speaker 1>alone the fact that Apple is worth more than two trillion. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>the battles will likely not end here, although I have

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<v Speaker 1>been seeing more of a tendency for courts to push

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<v Speaker 1>against companies like Google and Apple with the argument that

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<v Speaker 1>the in app transaction policies are anti competitive. If you've

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<v Speaker 1>been listening to my news episodes, you've also heard me

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<v Speaker 1>talk about the n s O Group and Israeli company

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<v Speaker 1>that makes iOS malware designed to infect the devices of

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<v Speaker 1>highly targeted individuals through a zero click message vector I

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<v Speaker 1>message vector. Now that means that the n s A

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<v Speaker 1>Group sells this product to various government agencies, at least

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<v Speaker 1>those that don't have an adversarial relationship with Israel, because

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<v Speaker 1>so group has to do this under Israel's you know, permission,

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<v Speaker 1>and those agencies can then send out an attack message

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<v Speaker 1>via I message to a specific target. Then if the

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<v Speaker 1>tar get does so much as open that message, it's

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<v Speaker 1>game over. There's no need to convince them to open

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<v Speaker 1>a file or click on a link. A flaw and

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<v Speaker 1>Apple security allowed for that kind of attack. The Citizen

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<v Speaker 1>Lab out of the University of Toronto has been keeping

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<v Speaker 1>tabs on these types of attacks and managed to isolate

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<v Speaker 1>the exploit in the malware to understand how this really works.

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<v Speaker 1>The lad passed this information onto Apple, and Apple subsequently

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<v Speaker 1>patched the vulnerability and pushed out the iOS fourteen point

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<v Speaker 1>eight and iPad OS fourteen point eight updates in order

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<v Speaker 1>to address this weakness. Now, generally speaking, most iOS users

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<v Speaker 1>should be fine because these attacks really are targeted attacks.

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<v Speaker 1>So unless there's a government that's out there that has

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<v Speaker 1>an AX to grind with you, you're probably okay. But

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<v Speaker 1>for diplomats, politicians, movement leaders like union leaders and and

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<v Speaker 1>UH activist leaders journalist for them, it's a different story.

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<v Speaker 1>It'll be interesting to see if Apple's update renders the

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<v Speaker 1>NSO group's main product less valuable or if the hackers

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<v Speaker 1>that the company are even more steps ahead and have

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<v Speaker 1>you know, contingencies in place in case Apple did address

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<v Speaker 1>this particular vulnerability. And in Apple adjacent news, Steve Wozniak,

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<v Speaker 1>the co founder of Apple, who hasn't been part of

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<v Speaker 1>the company for decades, is launching figuratively and hopefully one

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<v Speaker 1>day literally a private space company called Privateer. We do

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<v Speaker 1>not know much about it yet, though by the end

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<v Speaker 1>of today that might change because he plans to announce

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<v Speaker 1>further details at the AMOS that's a MS tech conference,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is going on this week in Hawaii. The

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<v Speaker 1>general rumor is that Privateer will focus on the problem

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<v Speaker 1>of space junk. That's stuff that's whizzing around in orbit

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<v Speaker 1>at super fast speeds. Usually it's stuff from you know,

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<v Speaker 1>man made satellites and things that or rockets, launch vehicles,

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of thing that have broken apart, and then

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<v Speaker 1>service of potential obstacle in space. You know, when it's

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<v Speaker 1>moving that fast, it can be catastrophic if that collides

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<v Speaker 1>with something, and it can threaten stuff like satellites, space stations,

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<v Speaker 1>and other spacecraft. Now, considering that lots of companies are

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<v Speaker 1>looking to launch thousands of satellites up into orbit in

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<v Speaker 1>the near future, it's probably a pretty decent motivation to

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<v Speaker 1>get a company like this going. But I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>enough details to give an opinion about whether or not

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<v Speaker 1>the approach makes sense. However, I will allow that Wosniak

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<v Speaker 1>is orders of magnitude smarter than I am. We'll just

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<v Speaker 1>have to, you know, make a call once we get

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<v Speaker 1>more details about this. Now, let us consider Google and

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<v Speaker 1>how South Korea has hit Google with a fine of

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<v Speaker 1>nearly a hundred seventy nine million dollars for what the

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<v Speaker 1>government says are anti competitive practices. According to the Korea

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<v Speaker 1>Fair Trade Commission, Google has used its dominant market position

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<v Speaker 1>to pressure certain handset companies to prevent them from allowing

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<v Speaker 1>anything other than the official Google Android operating system to

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<v Speaker 1>work on their devices. So at the heart of the

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<v Speaker 1>matter is that some companies would make Android derivatives, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>operating systems for handsets that had Android as the foundation,

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<v Speaker 1>but they had been tweaked so much as you effectively

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<v Speaker 1>create a new operating system, you create a fork. It's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like the timeline stuff in the m c

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<v Speaker 1>U if you watched Loki uh. And these forks can

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<v Speaker 1>have proprietary features. They could even have, you know, different

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<v Speaker 1>user interface approaches and could be different enough from vanilla

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<v Speaker 1>Android to potentially cause issues. Now, according to the Fair

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<v Speaker 1>Trade Commission, Google was making companies sign agreement saying they

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<v Speaker 1>would knock that off and they would just go with

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<v Speaker 1>pure Android, or else they would lose access to early

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<v Speaker 1>builds of Android and such, or they might see their

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<v Speaker 1>own app get buried in the Google App Store. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>on the one hand, I definitely see how Google's approach

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<v Speaker 1>can be anti competitive. That's not cool. On the other hand,

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<v Speaker 1>as a consumer, I really hate having a ton of

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<v Speaker 1>confusion in the market. I mean, years ago, I made

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<v Speaker 1>sure that I would just buy Google flagship phones so

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<v Speaker 1>that way I could be I could be certain that

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<v Speaker 1>I was having a pure form of the Android operating

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<v Speaker 1>system without all the stuff I saw as being superfluous

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<v Speaker 1>from various handset manufacturers and telecommunications providers. Still, I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like that choice should be left to the individual consumer,

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<v Speaker 1>and if companies want to muddy the waters, then they can.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think they should, but they should be able to.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think it's super cool for Google to just

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<v Speaker 1>muscle in and say, hey, don't do that or else.

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<v Speaker 1>Amazon continues to build out its enormous database of biometric

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<v Speaker 1>data with the Amazon One system. This is Amazon's palm

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<v Speaker 1>scanning technology, which uses a scanner to look for unique

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<v Speaker 1>details in a palm, including the arrangement and pattern of

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<v Speaker 1>veins under your skin. This is all as a way

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<v Speaker 1>to authenticate a person's identity. Amazon has been using the

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<v Speaker 1>system in some of its physical storefronts, including a few

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<v Speaker 1>Whole Foods locations. So the way it works as you

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<v Speaker 1>establish an account and you scan your palm as part

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<v Speaker 1>of that, and it associates your palm scan with your account.

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<v Speaker 1>Then you can use your palm scan to act as

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<v Speaker 1>a way to authorize payments. For example, so in one

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<v Speaker 1>of these stores, you might be able to just walk in,

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<v Speaker 1>pick up a product, you walk to a scanner, you

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<v Speaker 1>hold your palm over the scanner, and boom, you've bought

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<v Speaker 1>that whatever it is. Well, now Amazon has expanded this

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<v Speaker 1>technology beyond just those you know, owned and operated storefronts

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<v Speaker 1>and has offered it as a way to access the

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<v Speaker 1>Red Rocks Amphitheater in Colorado. Presumably you would create a

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<v Speaker 1>similar account with the Amphitheater and as a part of

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<v Speaker 1>that you would scan your palm. Then when you buy

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<v Speaker 1>a ticket to an event, you could have that ticket

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<v Speaker 1>associated with your identity. Then you just show up at

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<v Speaker 1>the Amphitheater, you scan your palm, validates your ticket, and

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<v Speaker 1>you're in your you can go into the the event.

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<v Speaker 1>Now that could be kind of cool and that it

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<v Speaker 1>could lead to stuff like a massive decrease in scalping,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm all for that. I love the idea of

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<v Speaker 1>systems that allow people who really want to go to

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<v Speaker 1>something get the chance to do it, rather than you know,

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<v Speaker 1>some enterprising folks with a ton of money just buying

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<v Speaker 1>up all the tickets and then selling those tickets for

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<v Speaker 1>obscene markups. But then there are other things to think about.

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<v Speaker 1>One of those is that we could tie tickets to

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<v Speaker 1>specific mobile devices like our phones. We don't have to

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<v Speaker 1>make it tied to you know, a palm print or

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<v Speaker 1>other biometric data, and it's not really any less convenient

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<v Speaker 1>because most of us never go anywhere without our phones.

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<v Speaker 1>For another thing, you could argue that the whole scheme

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<v Speaker 1>is really geared toward giving Amazon access to even more

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<v Speaker 1>personal data, which could be used in ways that we

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<v Speaker 1>don't anticipate in the future, and that we would essentially

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<v Speaker 1>be signing that stuff over to a company for the

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<v Speaker 1>sake of some convenience without really understanding or appreciating what

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<v Speaker 1>might be done with that data in the future. That's

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<v Speaker 1>usually not the best idea for the individual consumer. We

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<v Speaker 1>have more news to cover, but before we get to that,

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<v Speaker 1>let's take a quick break, We're back and in news

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<v Speaker 1>that hits a little close to home. The company Into It,

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<v Speaker 1>best known for its tax preparation products, plans to acquire

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<v Speaker 1>mail Chimp for twelve billion dollars. Mail Chimp is a

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<v Speaker 1>local Atlanta startup that focuses on marketing primarily through email lists,

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<v Speaker 1>so companies that want to create, say, email newsletters or

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<v Speaker 1>marketing campaign can lean on mail Chip to put something

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<v Speaker 1>together for them and to maintain those email lists and

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<v Speaker 1>handle the distribution for the moment. Mail Chimp has an

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<v Speaker 1>office space that's close to our own here in Atlanta,

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<v Speaker 1>though it will soon relocate to a new office building

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<v Speaker 1>buildings that are currently under construction and are not too

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<v Speaker 1>far away from where we are right now. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>the announcement caused some folks to engage in some head scratching,

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<v Speaker 1>as it wasn't immediately apparent how mail Chump would factor

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<v Speaker 1>into into its strategy, like how would the two companies

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<v Speaker 1>meld together In a press release, Into It said together,

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<v Speaker 1>Into It and mail Chip will work to deliver on

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<v Speaker 1>the vision of an innovative end to end customer growth

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<v Speaker 1>platform for small and mid market businesses, allowing them to

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<v Speaker 1>get their business online market their business, manage customer relationships,

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<v Speaker 1>benefit from insights and analytics, get paid, access capital, pay employees,

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<v Speaker 1>optimize cash flow, be organized, and stay compliant with experts

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<v Speaker 1>at their fingertips. That's the end of that quote. And sure,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess like I'm sure that there are lots of

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<v Speaker 1>plans on how these companies are going to integrate. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, like a lot of other people, this was

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<v Speaker 1>one of those moves that surprised me and puzzled me

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit. But we'll just have to wait and

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<v Speaker 1>see how this all shakes out. Now it's cryptocurrency time,

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<v Speaker 1>So if you've listened to the show for any length

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<v Speaker 1>of time, you know that I tend to be a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit wary of cryptocurrency in general for lots of reasons.

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<v Speaker 1>There are tons of reasons to be a little skeptical

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<v Speaker 1>about cryptocurrencies, but one of those reasons is that people

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes go to great links to inflate a cryptocurrencies value

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<v Speaker 1>in order to make a ton of money in a

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<v Speaker 1>very short time before hitting the eject button and leaving

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<v Speaker 1>everyone else holding the bag. That appears to be what

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<v Speaker 1>happened with light coin. Someone went to a great deal

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<v Speaker 1>of trouble to fabricate a fake press release that announced

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<v Speaker 1>retail goliath Walmart would soon accept the cryptocurrency like coin

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<v Speaker 1>as payment for online transactions. The scammers were able to

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<v Speaker 1>get this fake press release accepted by Globe Newswire. Globe

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<v Speaker 1>Newswire distributes press releases and sends them out to various

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<v Speaker 1>news outlets, but apparently doesn't do a whole lot of

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<v Speaker 1>quality control or fact checking before they do that. Then

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<v Speaker 1>the news outlets they get these press releases, and they

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<v Speaker 1>typically want to get the scoop on major news. A

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<v Speaker 1>lot of these news outlets will just run a press

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<v Speaker 1>release verbatim, so there's not even an article written about it.

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<v Speaker 1>They'll just push publish on the press release and boom,

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<v Speaker 1>they've got some content up on their sites. So some

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<v Speaker 1>of these news outlets ran with that story without actually

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<v Speaker 1>checking with Walmart first to verify that it was in

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<v Speaker 1>fact true. Well, that initial surge of information ended up

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<v Speaker 1>pushing the value of l coin. It jumped from around

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<v Speaker 1>a hundred seventy five dollars per coin, two more than

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<v Speaker 1>or right around two or and twenty dollars per coin,

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<v Speaker 1>so pretty significant increase in the cryptocurrency's value. But then

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<v Speaker 1>a Walmart spokesperson said the whole thing was a hoax,

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<v Speaker 1>and the value came back down to the amount it

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<v Speaker 1>was around the time that the hoax was first you know, unveiled.

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<v Speaker 1>Presumably this was all a pump and dump scheme that

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<v Speaker 1>worked like Gangbusters for at least a short while. Such

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<v Speaker 1>schemes typically have a pretty short shelf life, but if

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<v Speaker 1>you're in the know, you can make a whole lot

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<v Speaker 1>of money. Of course, you are engaging in some seriously

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<v Speaker 1>shady practices, and this is the kind of stuff that

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<v Speaker 1>turns the heat up on all cryptocurrencies as regulatory agencies

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<v Speaker 1>start to look into them more closely. Well, from Walmart

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<v Speaker 1>to Walgreens, let's keep the bad news train going. So,

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<v Speaker 1>security experts criticize Walgreens for a lapse in data security.

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<v Speaker 1>At the heart of the matter is personal data related

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<v Speaker 1>to people who registered with Walgreens in order to get

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<v Speaker 1>a COVID nineteen test. So in this process, you would

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<v Speaker 1>register with Walgreens, you would create essentially an account, and

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<v Speaker 1>you would get a unique thirty two digit I D

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<v Speaker 1>number to associate with your account. Then a back end

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<v Speaker 1>system on Walgreens you know network would automatically create a

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<v Speaker 1>patient page, a web page specifically for you, with all

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<v Speaker 1>of your personal information included on that web page, and

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<v Speaker 1>the thirty two digit i D that you received would

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<v Speaker 1>be part of the u r L for this specific

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<v Speaker 1>web page. So as long as you have a link

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<v Speaker 1>to that u r L, you can visit the page.

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<v Speaker 1>And there was no authentication process. There was no like

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<v Speaker 1>password or anything you needed to use before you saw it,

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<v Speaker 1>You just needed the link. Well, that means someone could

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<v Speaker 1>potentially create a means to test out various thirty two

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<v Speaker 1>digit ideas just like generating them, you know, randomly or

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<v Speaker 1>in sequence in a brute force attack, and then look

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<v Speaker 1>to see which ones lead to valid u r l

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<v Speaker 1>s and use that to scrape some pretty valuable personal

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<v Speaker 1>information off the website. So you could, you know, essentially

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<v Speaker 1>make wild guesses and try and find people's personal information. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>thirty two digits is a big number, so the odds

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<v Speaker 1>of you actually getting hits are pretty remote, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>not outside the realm of possibility. But in addition, just

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<v Speaker 1>having access to someone's browsing history would give you the

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<v Speaker 1>link to their personal u r L and thus all

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<v Speaker 1>their personal information. Because again there was no protection on that.

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<v Speaker 1>Recode published an article about this titled how Walgreen's sloppy

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<v Speaker 1>COVID nineteen test registration system exposed patient data. According to

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<v Speaker 1>that piece, re Code alerted Walgreens of this problem. They

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<v Speaker 1>also said that other security researchers had done the same,

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<v Speaker 1>and then Recode gave the company some time to address

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<v Speaker 1>the issue. When that didn't happen, they went ahead and

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<v Speaker 1>published the article. So there you go. You know, there

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<v Speaker 1>are certain things that we all know to be true,

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<v Speaker 1>and one of those is that the rules most of

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<v Speaker 1>us have to follow don't necessarily apply to everyone, particularly

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<v Speaker 1>people who have a lot of money and or status.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's true on Facebook at least. The Wall Street

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<v Speaker 1>Journal reports that Facebook has a system in place that

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<v Speaker 1>essentially says people in this group are above the law.

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<v Speaker 1>The system apparently includes around five point eight million Facebook users,

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<v Speaker 1>and it includes people that Facebook deems as being influential,

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<v Speaker 1>or newsworthy, or just a pr risk. In other words,

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<v Speaker 1>if Facebook were to hold these people accountable, those people

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<v Speaker 1>would make such a stink about it and would be

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<v Speaker 1>able to get such publicity around it that it would

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<v Speaker 1>create an enormous headache for Facebook. So I guess it's

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<v Speaker 1>best to just let them do whatever they want and

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<v Speaker 1>not be subject to the rules. So when users get

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<v Speaker 1>added to this list, then moderators will find it more

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<v Speaker 1>difficult to take any kind of action against those accounts.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's say that I got added to this list.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure I'm not on it. I'm not nearly important enough.

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<v Speaker 1>But let's say I was added to this list, and

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<v Speaker 1>then I started posting stuff that was explicitly against Facebook policies,

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<v Speaker 1>and someone rightfully flags my post and gets the attention

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<v Speaker 1>of a moderator. Well, the moderator might find that their

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<v Speaker 1>normal options, which might include everything from sequestering a post

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<v Speaker 1>so that fewer people see it, or just blocking the

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<v Speaker 1>post entirely, or deleting it, maybe even deactivating my account

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<v Speaker 1>temporarily or permanently, they might find that those are not

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<v Speaker 1>valid options. Uh andy, that they can actually choose it.

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<v Speaker 1>That could be what happens in the case of someone

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<v Speaker 1>in this list getting flagged. Now, not everyone inside Facebook

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<v Speaker 1>is really a big fan of this particular system, which,

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<v Speaker 1>according to the article, is called x check, And it

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<v Speaker 1>does sound a little bit like it was taken out

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<v Speaker 1>of animal Farm, in which we learned that all animals

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<v Speaker 1>are equal, but some are more equal than others. I've

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<v Speaker 1>got a few more stories, including a couple more Facebook pieces,

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<v Speaker 1>but before we get to that, let's take another quick break.

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<v Speaker 1>We're back and uh, I lied. I only have one

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<v Speaker 1>other Facebook piece, but here it is. So Also in

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<v Speaker 1>Facebook News, the New York Times investigated how Facebook was

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<v Speaker 1>sharing data relating to misinformation campaigns on the platform. So

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<v Speaker 1>Facebook has been working with various researchers on this matter,

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<v Speaker 1>and as part of that, Facebook has been giving researchers

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<v Speaker 1>access to data about misinformation campaigns and how they affect people,

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<v Speaker 1>like how do people interact with misinformation campaigns? How many

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<v Speaker 1>people you know like it or share it or comment

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<v Speaker 1>on it and such, and how does that affect the

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<v Speaker 1>spread of misinformation? However, the New York Times discovered that

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<v Speaker 1>Facebook was omitting half of all the user activity of

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<v Speaker 1>Facebook in the United States in the data they shared,

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<v Speaker 1>like fifty percent of the data that needed to go

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<v Speaker 1>to researchers was just not there. And the belief was

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<v Speaker 1>that Facebook was sharing all that data. So that meant

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<v Speaker 1>researchers were working under the assumption that they had the

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<v Speaker 1>big picture, the full picture when in fact, they only

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<v Speaker 1>had half of it. Now, in the world of research,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a pretty big problem because it means that any

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<v Speaker 1>conclusions you have drawn are based off of incomplete data sets,

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<v Speaker 1>and that those conclusions could be very much faulty. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>It appears as though this was an innocent oversight, at

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<v Speaker 1>least that's the implication I get from reading about it,

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<v Speaker 1>that this was not a deliberate attempt to create misinformation

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<v Speaker 1>about misinformation. But you know, I can't say that for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>It could be that this was at least partly deliberate

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<v Speaker 1>the whole time. I don't think it was, but I

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<v Speaker 1>can't I don't have evidence saying one versus the other.

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<v Speaker 1>But when you do couple this problem with the issue

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<v Speaker 1>that Facebook recently banned some security researcher accounts, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just a few months ago, and was saying that those

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<v Speaker 1>accounts were effectively scraping data from Facebook and that's against

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<v Speaker 1>the platforms policies. So as a result, the researchers found

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<v Speaker 1>their accounts suspended. This all makes it seem as that

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<v Speaker 1>the company is throwing roadblocks in the way of researchers

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<v Speaker 1>who are looking into the platform's involvement with misinformation campaigns.

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<v Speaker 1>Whether that's intentional or not, that isn't great. Uh, It

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<v Speaker 1>at least seems like Facebook is protecting It's maybe not consciously,

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<v Speaker 1>but that effectively that's what's happening. And I would say

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<v Speaker 1>that the the stories point to a need for Facebook

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<v Speaker 1>to get more proactive in making sure that people have

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<v Speaker 1>access to the information they need in order to really

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<v Speaker 1>get to the bottom of this particular subject matter. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>let's head on over to Pinterest. So Christina Martinez, a

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<v Speaker 1>woman who claims to essentially be a co founder of

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<v Speaker 1>the popular site pinterest, is suing co founders Ben Silberman

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<v Speaker 1>and Paul Schiarra for allegedly stealing ideas and engaging in

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<v Speaker 1>unfair business practices, as well as a breach of implied contract. Now,

0:24:46.480 --> 0:24:50.119
<v Speaker 1>Martinez was never an employee of pinterest, you know, she

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<v Speaker 1>was never officially associated with the company. However, in the lawsuit,

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<v Speaker 1>she says that she and the co founders had this

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<v Speaker 1>implied agreement that she would be compensated for her ideas

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<v Speaker 1>when they were first thinking about creating pinterest, and according

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<v Speaker 1>to the lawsuit, Martinez consulted with the co founders and

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<v Speaker 1>gave guidance towards the design and marketing of the site,

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<v Speaker 1>including the idea of organizing the site into boards as

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<v Speaker 1>a means of conceptualizing how pinterest is structured. They are

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<v Speaker 1>essentially like virtual corkboards upon which people can pin stuff

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<v Speaker 1>related to whatever the board's focuses, often with a heavy

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<v Speaker 1>emphasis on things like interior design, something that Martinez has

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<v Speaker 1>worked extensively in, and she says that the co founders

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<v Speaker 1>had verbally indicated that they would compensate her for her contributions,

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<v Speaker 1>but that that never happened, and after the company went

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<v Speaker 1>public in twenty nineteen and Martinez still had not received

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<v Speaker 1>any compensation, she says she realized those were empty promises

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<v Speaker 1>and they were never going to follow through on it. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the company states it is going to fight the lawsuit

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<v Speaker 1>and that the charges are without merit. And in semi

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<v Speaker 1>related news, pinterest has been in some pretty hot water

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<v Speaker 1>for the last year or so as women in the

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<v Speaker 1>company have raised issues relating to pay disparities within Pinterest,

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<v Speaker 1>pointing out that pinterest targets a largely female user base

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<v Speaker 1>and yet apparently practices unfair compensation policies that show a

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<v Speaker 1>gap between male and female employees. We will put a

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<v Speaker 1>pen in this story for now, but we will come

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<v Speaker 1>back to it as more develops. New York is the

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<v Speaker 1>latest state to legislate a ban on the sale of

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<v Speaker 1>all gas powered vehicles beginning in so all new vehicles

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<v Speaker 1>have to be zero emissions vehicles. Nothing else will legally

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<v Speaker 1>be allowed to be sold. Nothing new. That is, people

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<v Speaker 1>will still be allowed to sell their used vehicles that

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<v Speaker 1>run on internal combustion engines. It's not like if you've got,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a pre internal combustion car that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you're just stuck with it until it falls apart. However,

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<v Speaker 1>if you want to sell new vehicles in the state

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<v Speaker 1>of New York, they have to be zero emissions. This

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<v Speaker 1>puts a lot of pressure on the various car companies

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<v Speaker 1>out there to really get their their electric vehicle and

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<v Speaker 1>zero emission vehicle strategies in gear, so to speak. That

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<v Speaker 1>that pun was semi intentional. Um New York is not

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<v Speaker 1>the first state to do this. California has done it already.

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<v Speaker 1>There are other states that have similar bands in place.

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<v Speaker 1>There are other places in the world that are talking

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<v Speaker 1>about this as well. So there's a general move toward

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<v Speaker 1>this uh forcing companies to migrate away from internal combustion

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<v Speaker 1>and fossil fuel powered vehicles to move toward vehicles that

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<v Speaker 1>are electric. And again I've said this many times. Moving

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<v Speaker 1>to electric on its own is great. However, it does

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<v Speaker 1>require that you look at the big picture and see

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<v Speaker 1>where the electric is coming from. If it's coming from

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<v Speaker 1>like a renewable source, a hydro electric sources, where you

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<v Speaker 1>know you've got a dawn that's just generating electricity through turbines,

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<v Speaker 1>that's great, that's not creating carbon emissions. But if you're

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<v Speaker 1>getting your electricity from, say a coal powered power plant,

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<v Speaker 1>then while your car is not directly generating carbon emissions,

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<v Speaker 1>the charging of your car is contributing to carbon emissions.

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<v Speaker 1>So we always have to remember to keep looking outward.

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<v Speaker 1>There are ripples in these kind of strategies, and we

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<v Speaker 1>have to keep looking outward to make sure that we're

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<v Speaker 1>addressing each piece of that bigger picture, or else we're

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<v Speaker 1>really just shifting problems from one part to another. And

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<v Speaker 1>now for a final couple of weird news items. One

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<v Speaker 1>is that a company called Situs Studio X. I think

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying that correctly. It's s I d U S. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>this company has generated an AI created influencer called z

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<v Speaker 1>r o z Y, and the whole purpose of Rosie,

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<v Speaker 1>who appears to be a young woman, is to serve

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<v Speaker 1>as an influencer and brand ambassador for you know, whichever

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<v Speaker 1>companies decided to use Rosie's services. Rosie will be forever

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<v Speaker 1>presumably because Forever twenty one was already taken, and will

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<v Speaker 1>post to various social platforms as part of marketing campaigns.

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<v Speaker 1>So I guess you could argue the only thing separating

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<v Speaker 1>Rosie from some other influencers out there is that Rosie

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<v Speaker 1>isn't quote unquote real, but rather a computer generated entity.

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<v Speaker 1>But heck, some influencers appear to be nothing more than

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<v Speaker 1>a persona that's crafted to market and sell stuff. So

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<v Speaker 1>you can say, well, what's the difference If an influencer

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<v Speaker 1>is just doing the same thing as this computer generated model,

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<v Speaker 1>then you know, to the outward facing audience, like to

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<v Speaker 1>the audience, it's the same. But according to said Studio X,

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<v Speaker 1>the really big difference is that brands will never have

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<v Speaker 1>to worry about Rosie going off script. Rosie is not

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<v Speaker 1>going to engage in some sort of online feud with

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<v Speaker 1>other influencers. Rosie won't get pulled into a scandal. Rosie

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<v Speaker 1>is not going to post inflammatory statements about disadvantaged or

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<v Speaker 1>vulnerable groups. We've seen tons of stories over the last

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<v Speaker 1>few years of various folks who have become really influential

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<v Speaker 1>online and how they've sometimes engaged in behavior was at

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<v Speaker 1>best problematic. Rosie will not do that. Now, the question remains,

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<v Speaker 1>will people follow Rosie? Will they find Rosie to be

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<v Speaker 1>influential and interesting? Will folks care to follow an artificial

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<v Speaker 1>person to see what they post? On the sponsor side,

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<v Speaker 1>the company says that it's already received a hundred offers

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<v Speaker 1>then is processing them. But we just don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people are going to eagerly follow the

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<v Speaker 1>fictional exploits of a computer generated person. Then again, there

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<v Speaker 1>are entire real world concerts that feature c g I

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<v Speaker 1>characters per forming in front of a crowd. So stranger

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<v Speaker 1>things have happened. And finally, a company called Colossal wants

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<v Speaker 1>to use the gene editing technology known as Crisper c

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<v Speaker 1>r I spr to clone wooly mammoths, and to do

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<v Speaker 1>it by cloning those kind of being a little generous. Rather,

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<v Speaker 1>they really want to take genetic information from wooly mammoth

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<v Speaker 1>remains and then use that genetic information to edit the

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<v Speaker 1>gene sequences of elephants to introduce genetic sequences that will

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<v Speaker 1>allow elephants to take on certain genetic aspects of wooly mammoths,

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<v Speaker 1>like the ability to adapt to extreme cold weather environments.

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<v Speaker 1>So this isn't so much a Jurassic Park situation as

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<v Speaker 1>it is an Island of Dr Moreau situation, except as

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<v Speaker 1>far as I know, Colossal is not planning on making

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<v Speaker 1>elephants more human like in the process. The company does

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<v Speaker 1>say that it's dream goal is the restoration of the

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<v Speaker 1>wooly mammoth, though I would argue that really this is

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<v Speaker 1>more of a soft reboot of wooly mammoths as opposed

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<v Speaker 1>to restoration. According to Ben Lamb, the chief executive of

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<v Speaker 1>the company, the real purpose for Colossal is to serve

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<v Speaker 1>in the field of genetic preservation that creating these types

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<v Speaker 1>of creatures, we can then preserve the genetic info and

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<v Speaker 1>the populations of various endangered and threatened species. It gives

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<v Speaker 1>species and evolutionary speed boost to allow them to potentially

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<v Speaker 1>roam new regions when their traditional homes are under threat

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<v Speaker 1>due to like human encroachment or climate change, that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of thing. Lamb argues that the company will protect bio

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<v Speaker 1>diversity this way and bring more attention to the crisis

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<v Speaker 1>of biodiversity collapse, which is a real thing for multiple species,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, not just animals but also plants, Like this

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<v Speaker 1>is a big crisis. However, there are other people there

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<v Speaker 1>who are arguing that the money being spent to do

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<v Speaker 1>this could be better spent toward protecting existing species rather

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<v Speaker 1>than trying to get a simulacrum of an extinct species

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<v Speaker 1>up and about. Again, I don't know where I come

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<v Speaker 1>down on this. I kind of would rather see us

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<v Speaker 1>protect the stuff that's already out there and perhaps build

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<v Speaker 1>out you know, kind of genetic repositories so that we

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<v Speaker 1>do have the capability of potentially helping species that are

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<v Speaker 1>on the verge of extinction make a recovery. Uh, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a little it's a little squeaky to me simply because

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<v Speaker 1>I don't, you know, we can't really understand what the

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<v Speaker 1>consequences will be of trying to bring an extinct species back,

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<v Speaker 1>like if we did it and then that species were

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<v Speaker 1>to die out again because we did a bad job

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<v Speaker 1>of it. I would say that the whole attempt was

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<v Speaker 1>rather unethical in that case, right, Like it's tricky. I

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<v Speaker 1>get the motivation. I just worry about the execution. Anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>That's it for the news for Tuesday, September one. If

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