Speaker 1: I miss the green, for example, I'm already upset.
Speaker 2: When I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset.
Speaker 1: And when I find my ball.
Speaker 2: In a brid egg Friday egg, the dreaded Frida egg
Speaker 2: Friday Frida egg egg fridagg brid egg Lie, I'm about
Speaker 2: ready to run off of the hump course.
Speaker 3: Welcome back to the Friday Golf Podcast. I am your host,
Speaker 3: Andy Johnson. I'm very excited to talk about this. Obviously,
Speaker 3: the twenty twenty six Masters has coming gone.
Speaker 1: We have a repeat champion.
Speaker 3: Rory McElroy gets it done, wins his second green jacket
Speaker 3: in as many years.
Speaker 1: Really a thrilling tournament.
Speaker 3: He went up, then lost the lead, and then came
Speaker 3: back and got it done on Sunday. Really, I would say,
Speaker 3: cementing himself among the greats of the greats, I think
Speaker 3: he was already one of the great players of the game,
Speaker 3: and now, especially with many years ahead of him, I
Speaker 3: would say that it is more of a matter of
Speaker 3: what level does he get to, And I think there's
Speaker 3: you know, you could you could say there's an opportunity
Speaker 3: if things really kind of pick up for a second
Speaker 3: big run from him here the next few years that
Speaker 3: Rory could get into, you know, the conversation of a
Speaker 3: spot on Mount Rushmore, given his accomplishments, his longevity, and
Speaker 3: just where he might get to in terms of majors. Obviously,
Speaker 3: the man who finished in second is going to have
Speaker 3: a lot to say with that. Scotty Scheffler another great
Speaker 3: tournament despite kind of a slow start. So I'm joined
Speaker 3: by Trevor Emmlman, a Master champion in his own right,
Speaker 3: as well as CBS's lead analysts to break down this Masters.
Speaker 3: Sorry we were a little delayed. I am currently in Scotland,
Speaker 3: so I had to get over here and nobody would
Speaker 3: have liked to hear me talk yesterday after my flight over.
Speaker 1: So it had to be today.
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Speaker 3: back Masters Champion CBS's lead analyst, Trevor Immlement. Trevor uh
Speaker 3: we're done with the ninetieth playing of the Masters, and
Speaker 3: we get Rory McElroy. Uh, going back to back wire
Speaker 3: to wire though you know wire to wire might might
Speaker 3: entail that it was an uncomplicated uh win. It was
Speaker 3: a dramatic wire to wire win, and Rory McElroy repeats
Speaker 3: as Masters Champion, and uh it kind of brings a
Speaker 3: whole new life to kind of the where does Rory
Speaker 3: go career wise? And it's a it's a fascinating win. Uh,
Speaker 3: and I'm I'm really excited to kind of break down
Speaker 3: not just what happened, but.
Speaker 1: Where do we go from here? Uh with it?
Speaker 3: So what uh what are your you know, big picture
Speaker 3: thoughts on on Rory and and the twenty twenty six Masters.
Speaker 2: Well, big picture is that it was another phenomenal Masters
Speaker 2: and just flat out brilliant week, you know, starting with
Speaker 2: the weather and the heat, and you know how the
Speaker 2: golf course was presented and how these uh incredibly elite
Speaker 2: athletes performed throughout the week. But you know, the the
Speaker 2: overarching thought is naturally about the guy that puts on
Speaker 2: the green jacket and so much fun to see this
Speaker 2: back and forth battle that all of them had. I mean,
Speaker 2: if I remember correctly, you know, I'm still still of
Speaker 2: gathering all my thoughts, to be quite honest with you.
Speaker 2: But if if I remember correctly, we had we had
Speaker 2: three different players with two shot leads at some point
Speaker 2: in the final round in McElroy, Rose and Young Young. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and you know, then you make the turn and you
Speaker 2: enter one of the most perfect and brilliantly designed and
Speaker 2: anticipated second Nines and see these three guys going at it,
Speaker 2: and then you include Scheffler that's making this late round.
Speaker 2: It was just so brilliant. But getting back to Rory
Speaker 2: the roller coaster, alright, he's taken us on for the
Speaker 2: last two years at the Masters, is just being electric.
Speaker 2: And you consider last year with the history around the
Speaker 2: Grand Slam, this year the history around being the fourth
Speaker 2: guy to go back to back, and it's not over
Speaker 2: yet because now we have twelve months before we get
Speaker 2: back to Augusta National and the ninety first Masters, and
Speaker 2: he tries to create history for the third year in
Speaker 2: a row, to be the first guy ever to win
Speaker 2: three times in a row. So gosh, I mean, my
Speaker 2: mouth's ordering just thinking about that and we're twelve months
Speaker 2: away from it. But yeah, what What a week? What
Speaker 2: what a week? Man?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I said this on the Shotguns start.
Speaker 3: But it feels like Rory is like a kid playing
Speaker 3: a video game where you get to the final boss
Speaker 3: and he, you know, for for seventeen years, Augusta National
Speaker 3: is this final boss that stands in his way, and
Speaker 3: every time he goes up against it, you know, he loses.
Speaker 1: And then you know, last year.
Speaker 3: In the most dramatic of fashions, he in playing extraordinary golf,
Speaker 3: particularly Tea Green. He was so sharp last year, and
Speaker 3: he finally figures out how to beat the boss. And
Speaker 3: then it came back this year, and the first two
Speaker 3: days it's like, oh, he's got like he knows the
Speaker 3: exact sequence that he needs to beat the boss, which
Speaker 3: is Augusta National, and he's running away with this thing.
Speaker 3: But I think, like it's impossible, it's impossible to not
Speaker 3: think about the history aspect, and to me, it's like
Speaker 3: he was floating so freely and playing so freely the
Speaker 3: first two days without his a game. Yeah, and then
Speaker 3: it came like the weekend and that reset created almost
Speaker 3: this time to think about the history that winning a
Speaker 3: second time and back to back would present, you know,
Speaker 3: and that all of a sudden, you know, the psychological
Speaker 3: aspect of winning a major championship, and not just any
Speaker 3: major championship, the Masters sets in and it's a whole
Speaker 3: new challenge on the weekend.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, it has been fun to observe how he's
Speaker 2: gotten it done after the last you know, for the
Speaker 2: last couple of years, in my opinion, two different ways.
Speaker 2: You know, last year felt like the ball striking was
Speaker 2: seriously impressive, and in fact he's you know, other than
Speaker 2: a few wed shots, and he kind of missed a
Speaker 2: few putts down the stretch, particularly on the last hole
Speaker 2: from four feet to win the tournament. But this year
Speaker 2: he won it in a different fashion, and it's just
Speaker 2: really showing the culmination of all this experience he's gathered
Speaker 2: around Augusta National over the last eighteen years. I mean,
Speaker 2: this year he rarely didn't have his best stuff at all,
Speaker 2: particularly off the tee. You know, the power is always there.
Speaker 2: I Mean, we know that he's an extremely explosive player,
Speaker 2: but man, he was driving it all over Agusta National.
Speaker 2: And he won this tournament like a in a Ben
Speaker 2: Crenshaw or a Sevy fashion by scrambling and by wedging
Speaker 2: and chipping and putting just in an incredible ash and manner,
Speaker 2: and it was it was really cool to watch. I mean,
Speaker 2: even down to the last few holes. You know, the
Speaker 2: two put on sixteen, which is you know when you
Speaker 2: it's so so, so, so so good. And I said,
Speaker 2: you know on the broadcast that him getting it within
Speaker 2: five feet would be really good. And he hit it
Speaker 2: down there to tap in. You know, I know how
Speaker 2: tough that putt is. I've hit that putt and try
Speaker 2: to chip it and done all sorts of things to
Speaker 2: try and get it close. I mean, you are you
Speaker 2: have to be so precise with where you let the
Speaker 2: ball fall off the ridge to funnel down to the hole.
Speaker 2: And you know he's putting through a yard or so
Speaker 2: a fairway, a rye grass fairway that can be quite sticky,
Speaker 2: particularly later in the day. And then you add in
Speaker 2: the pressure of the moment and the magnitude of trying
Speaker 2: to win back to back and the touch that he
Speaker 2: shows to do that. It's like a one in fifteen
Speaker 2: putt right there. And then the up and down on seventeen,
Speaker 2: pretty basic up and down. He was smart to leave
Speaker 2: himself short of the hole, but still, you know he
Speaker 2: had to land the ball into an upslope. You know,
Speaker 2: it's one of those where if you just catch it
Speaker 2: a hair thin and it launches a bit lower with
Speaker 2: more spin, it doesn't fly far enough into that false
Speaker 2: edge and then it grabs on top and could easily
Speaker 2: even roll down. You get afraid of that and you
Speaker 2: nuke it and it goes seven feet by. That's easy
Speaker 2: to do. So you know, he hits a wonderful, wonderful
Speaker 2: little chip there. So the short game was Stella Man
Speaker 2: and overall, though if you look at him, you look
Speaker 2: at Scotti Scheffler, the guys who finished first and second,
Speaker 2: the fact that they're one and two on that leaderboard
Speaker 2: when both of them rarely didn't place their best. I
Speaker 2: think we're in for quite an exciting next five years
Speaker 2: or so at the Masters with those two like having
Speaker 2: some great battles, and then you throw in others that
Speaker 2: will step up and have a great week to throw
Speaker 2: their hat in the ring as well. It's it's setting
Speaker 2: up to play out quite nicely over the next few years.
Speaker 2: But and excuse me, because my mind's going all over
Speaker 2: the place, and you mentioned a lot of different things there.
Speaker 2: You know, it's hard to win any tournament's it's extremely
Speaker 2: hard to win a major championship and the Masters, and
Speaker 2: when you're trying to join like an elite list at
Speaker 2: the time of trying to win that tournament, you know,
Speaker 2: it just starts to add these extra layers of pressure.
Speaker 2: And I actually felt like, you know, the way he
Speaker 2: finished round two with all of those birdies and the
Speaker 2: brilliant player on the back nine. I think he finished
Speaker 2: with four birdies in a row.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he built up his seven.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so six of the last seven, and he builds
Speaker 2: up this six stroke lead in a certain way. It
Speaker 2: almost added more pressure, you know. And I came on
Speaker 2: the air for our on camera on Saturday, and I
Speaker 2: said to Jim Nantz, I was like, you know, we've
Speaker 2: seen big leads last year before. I mean, we all
Speaker 2: remember Norman with six shots after fifty four holes in
Speaker 2: ninety six. We remember Speace with five up with nine
Speaker 2: to play and lost in twenty sixteen. We remember McElroy
Speaker 2: four up with eighteen to play in twenty eleven and
Speaker 2: last and I just sort of wanted to throw that
Speaker 2: caution out there of you know, we've seen this happen before.
Speaker 2: Rory in his own right, has experienced and felt the
Speaker 2: pain of losing a big lead, and I felt like
Speaker 2: that really put even more pressure on the moment because
Speaker 2: at that tournament, at that moment, the tournament was in
Speaker 2: his hand, and it's a tough spot to be, you know.
Speaker 3: I think playing with a big lead, I think it's
Speaker 3: an underratedly challenging situation at a normal event. I do
Speaker 3: think Augusta National lends itself quite well to these, you know,
Speaker 3: whatever you want to call them, but these big lead losses,
Speaker 3: because whether you're doing it consciously or not, I think
Speaker 3: when you have that big lead, your subconscious just starts
Speaker 3: to play a little bit more conservatively. And the thing
Speaker 3: with Augusta I feel like is the targets are so
Speaker 3: small that the second, whether you or not you know
Speaker 3: you're consciously doing it, the second you start to shade
Speaker 3: just a little bit more conservatively, it gets exceptionally more challenging.
Speaker 3: Like you have to hit those those tiny targets, and
Speaker 3: you have to swing with such freedom to to get
Speaker 3: the ball into the right places for the ball to
Speaker 3: funnel in or for you to have like a reasonable,
Speaker 3: you know, birdie pipe. The second you get out of
Speaker 3: those places, it just leads to a lot of stress.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know better than anybody with your expertise
Speaker 2: in course design and understanding nuance of those kinds of things.
Speaker 2: There's so many things to love about Augusta National and
Speaker 2: the Masters, but when you just you know, isolate the
Speaker 2: golf course, it rewards high quality shots and severely punishes
Speaker 2: average to poor shots. And that's why leads on safe
Speaker 2: because you know, you can have a guy like Scheffler
Speaker 2: that can hit high quality shots for two straight days
Speaker 2: and be twelve back after thirty six holes and not
Speaker 2: make a bogie on the weekend, which is mind blowing golf.
Speaker 2: How how you don't make a bogie on the weekend
Speaker 2: at the Masters when it's firm and fast, is I mean,
Speaker 2: we need to do a deep dive in in how
Speaker 2: he got that done. And conversely, if you go ahead
Speaker 2: and hit some poor shots or you string five average
Speaker 2: shots in a row, there's double bogies around every corner
Speaker 2: even when there's no water in play, and so things
Speaker 2: are very very volatile, and gosh, it's just it's just
Speaker 2: such an amazing big tournament championship style course. Uh and
Speaker 2: and and so much fun to watch elite athletes at
Speaker 2: the top of their game compete around there. It's it's marvelous.
Speaker 1: That's the.
Speaker 3: You know, Scotty's really the only one we've seen play
Speaker 3: great with a big lead, Scotty and Tiger, you know.
Speaker 1: And I think.
Speaker 3: It's just where they have this, you know, when they're on,
Speaker 3: you know, and when Scott he's really on, as we
Speaker 3: saw this weekend, there's just this an insanely elite precision
Speaker 3: that comes with it, you know, where they're able to
Speaker 3: just just tactically take on you know that those targets
Speaker 3: don't seem that small with their with their skill level.
Speaker 1: And I think, like you know.
Speaker 3: Rory's, Rory's game has always been kind of built around
Speaker 3: the power.
Speaker 1: And the the.
Speaker 3: The driving ability and everything else is kind of a
Speaker 3: part of that. I think over the last few years
Speaker 3: he has gone into the top ranks of the game
Speaker 3: with his short game and his his putting ability, But
Speaker 3: like from a precision, precise, preciseness with with the Irons,
Speaker 3: I think it's always been just a tick below the
Speaker 3: likes of a Scotti or a or a Morikawa when
Speaker 3: when Moricow is really on. And I think that's like
Speaker 3: what shows like I just think playing out there, when
Speaker 3: you have like in your mind even you know lightly
Speaker 3: that that you have this big lead, you just are
Speaker 3: are going to be a little bit more conservative. And
Speaker 3: that's that's when trouble appears. And it's like, I don't know,
Speaker 3: it's I think it almost gets harder. Probably as you
Speaker 3: age too. You just generally as you get older, get
Speaker 3: more conservative by nature of you know, when you with
Speaker 3: decision making.
Speaker 2: Yeah, look at it's interesting.
Speaker 4: You know I would throw I would throw Jack and
Speaker 4: Tiger and Scotty in a similar bucket of unemotional, very
Speaker 4: clear thinking and strategic gulfers at a supremely high level.
Speaker 2: Uh. And they just pick golf courses apart, particularly Augusta National,
Speaker 2: which is what we're talking about now. But Rory is
Speaker 2: totally different. Whilst on this, you know, on the same level,
Speaker 2: let's you know, let's just throw that out there when
Speaker 2: you know, I'm not trying to be controversial in any way.
Speaker 2: I understand how many majors Jack has won. For all
Speaker 2: our listeners out there, I understand how many majors Tigers won.
Speaker 2: And these two guys are behind, but they're they're you know,
Speaker 2: they're trending nicely but Rory is is is so totally different.
Speaker 2: He's so emotional. He he takes on shots that sometimes
Speaker 2: he shouldn't. He gets into much more trouble than what
Speaker 2: those other three golfers do. And it's one of the
Speaker 2: reasons why we enjoy watching him because, much like at
Speaker 2: Jordan's speech, we're not certain about what's going to happen
Speaker 2: next with Rory. I mean, look how he played the
Speaker 2: last hole. For goodness sake, He's closer to the tenth
Speaker 2: fairway than the eighteenth fairway.
Speaker 1: And I was actually a great break that he was
Speaker 1: like that far right.
Speaker 2: I think it's the best break I've ever seen on
Speaker 2: the eighteenth hole in a major championship. I mean, the
Speaker 2: quality of the shot was actually quite similar to if
Speaker 2: you think back to wingfoot and the t shot did
Speaker 2: Mickelson hit on the eighteenth hole. Yeah, the quality of
Speaker 2: shot was very, very similar. Michelson got severely punished and
Speaker 2: threw away the US Open, and Rory somehow just found
Speaker 2: this perfect gap that he could hook an eight iron
Speaker 2: over the trees and the leaderboard back into play and
Speaker 2: comfortably make bogey. But yeah, you know, Rory's just different
Speaker 2: that way, and he's always been that way. And what
Speaker 2: I'm sort of starting to appreciate and a jaw enjoy
Speaker 2: from him is that he's he owns that he knows it,
Speaker 2: and he's owning that he's not trying to change his
Speaker 2: DNA or be unauthentic and anyway he understands that that
Speaker 2: it's somewhat going to be a roller coaster ride for him.
Speaker 2: I mean, the whole week he was talking about how
Speaker 2: Jack gave him advice, you know, no double bogies. Make
Speaker 2: sure you keep double bogies off the card. Jack and
Speaker 2: Tiger and Scottie, you know, in a certain sense have
Speaker 2: an ability to do that, but I'm just not sure
Speaker 2: Rory does. But on the flip side, you know, he
Speaker 2: has the ability to do what what he did on
Speaker 2: Friday and thirty sixth the last seven and just like
Speaker 2: rarely put himself in a great position for the weekends,
Speaker 2: so different ways to get it done. And even with Rory,
Speaker 2: we've seen seen him get it done in different ways
Speaker 2: the last two years.
Speaker 3: I mean, the psycho analysis analysis of golfers obviously is
Speaker 3: you know, it's always fun to do, but you know,
Speaker 3: the way Rory kind of goes through these things feels
Speaker 3: like the way that normal human beings experienced life. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he gets it, he gets it done, but it's not
Speaker 3: you know, you think about most stuff in your life.
Speaker 3: It doesn't happen easily, and there's a lot of moments
Speaker 3: of doubt while you're going to a destination and you know,
Speaker 3: through two rounds, it's like this thing might be over.
Speaker 3: But like so many times in life, you get to
Speaker 3: these points where it's like, all right, we did it,
Speaker 3: and it's like hold on, there's like four more huge
Speaker 3: things that are gonna happen before you actually get done
Speaker 3: with this life.
Speaker 1: Achievement that you're you're working towards. And I think that's
Speaker 1: what that's what draws people in. You know, he.
Speaker 3: Has like a you know, he has a self. He's
Speaker 3: very aware of of himself and and the things that
Speaker 3: like he goes through. It's it's fascinating. He said something
Speaker 3: that I talked about this on Saturday, but he says
Speaker 3: something about how you know, somebody asked him about planning
Speaker 3: his Champions dinner and he mentioned He's like, oh, I'd
Speaker 3: love to say I did it really in advance, but
Speaker 3: I'm a big procrastinator, and I think about like maybe
Speaker 3: that has something to do with when you get a
Speaker 3: big lead, like then you you like I I relate
Speaker 3: as a huge procrastinator.
Speaker 1: But you know, one time there's breaking.
Speaker 2: News that's not breaking news, right there.
Speaker 3: A friend of mine tweeted something once that was like
Speaker 3: I thought my wife was coming home on Saturday, so
Speaker 3: I cleaned my entire house and then I found out
Speaker 3: it was that she was actually coming Sunday, and I
Speaker 3: was upset because I didn't get the chance to procrastinate
Speaker 3: another day, you know, And that's kind of my.
Speaker 1: Bucket of things.
Speaker 3: But I think if you get a big lead in
Speaker 3: your procrastinator, like your mind just kind of like it's
Speaker 3: like shuts off a little, like you need there is
Speaker 3: something to me for somebody that is a procrastinator that golf,
Speaker 3: there's like different When you have urgency, you fire a
Speaker 3: little bit more. And maybe that's what it is like
Speaker 3: with a big lead, is like some people whose minds
Speaker 3: are made up in different ways, the big lead, it
Speaker 3: just you lose the urgency of the moment. I'm not sure,
Speaker 3: but that I will say. You know, he struggled with
Speaker 3: the with really like tee to green the first three rounds,
Speaker 3: but in the moment when he needed it. And I
Speaker 3: think this has probably been a little bit under talked
Speaker 3: about in the post of it. I thought he was
Speaker 3: really good tee to Green in the middle part of
Speaker 3: that final round from basically five on, and that's what
Speaker 3: stealed the championship.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I totally agree with that. I mean the
Speaker 2: double bug at four was just like, well, that was
Speaker 2: ugly right there. I mean, he hit a hook off
Speaker 2: the t for the second day in a row and
Speaker 2: got quite fortunate because he's obviously got a great lie
Speaker 2: on the Fairway's on a little upslope. He's pitching up
Speaker 2: hill and he hit an okay pitch, but he left
Speaker 2: it in the wrong spot about six feet above the hole.
Speaker 2: And that putt. You know, I've hit that put many times.
Speaker 2: It's so fast you have to hit it so soft.
Speaker 2: It's very difficult to get it started online. You obviously
Speaker 2: a little nervous. He didn't start in a brilliant fashion,
Speaker 2: so you know, things were a little on edge. He
Speaker 2: runs it by and then missus nothing. Putt coming straight
Speaker 2: back up the hill makes double and yeah, maybe that
Speaker 2: sort of jumped him into that urgency mode. He does,
Speaker 2: for the most part, respond very well when his back
Speaker 2: is up against the wall. You know, we've seen that
Speaker 2: over the years. And then you got a little unlucky
Speaker 2: on six. He had quite a nice shot on six,
Speaker 2: and that ball's has flown of odds too.
Speaker 3: Far that I was sitting behind that for a few
Speaker 3: groups on Sunday.
Speaker 1: It was just humming down wind with that back right.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 3: It was I couldn't I mean, Justin Rose's shot to
Speaker 3: get it to stick up there was insanely great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 3: I you know, I don't know when the right time
Speaker 3: to talk about this is, but there was a lot
Speaker 3: of discourse about course set up this week and how
Speaker 3: firm and fast the course was Thursday, and then the
Speaker 3: idea of of them kind of slowing it down on
Speaker 3: Friday and Saturday with water, and then Sunday. I thought
Speaker 3: Sunday was really really well set up. I thought it
Speaker 3: was really hard. Yeah, and I think this course reflected it.
Speaker 3: It was really tricky.
Speaker 1: But to me, like Sunday, you you had to hit
Speaker 1: perfect shots out there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you should do. I mean, you know, if we
Speaker 2: if we just I'll get the course set up here
Speaker 2: in a little bit. But if we stick to that
Speaker 2: sixth hall just to try and explain to people. You know,
Speaker 2: you've got about one hundred and eighty yards, it's downhill
Speaker 2: ten yards, and then you have the wind swirling in
Speaker 2: and around those those tall pine trees, and the whole
Speaker 2: location is put up on a plateau that's I mean,
Speaker 2: it's about the size of an suv okay. So you've
Speaker 2: got all of those things going never mind the moment,
Speaker 2: never mind the pressure, never mind the nerves, and you
Speaker 2: know he's flushed the iron shot. It's gone right at it,
Speaker 2: it's gone right over the flagstick, and it's literally flown
Speaker 2: with all of that stuff that I've just explained, it's
Speaker 2: flown two yards too far, and it takes a very
Speaker 2: firm bounce off of the downslope. It's sort of it
Speaker 2: crests and falls over at the back of that green
Speaker 2: on six, and it's taken a huge bounce. And he's
Speaker 2: rarely left himself in a spot to where he has
Speaker 2: to be so defensive from there with the little pitch
Speaker 2: all the putt, because if that next shot comes out
Speaker 2: with any heat on it, it goes forty yards off
Speaker 2: the front of the green, and so he has to
Speaker 2: be extremely defensive and at that moment, he's rarely just
Speaker 2: hoping to have a ten foot for power and at
Speaker 2: worst not make a double bogie. So you know, six
Speaker 2: was another issue. So he's three over there between four,
Speaker 2: five and six, and then all of a sudden, like
Speaker 2: you said, started stringing some high quality shots together. And
Speaker 2: at that point, if I remember correctly, he was three
Speaker 2: back Rows was making his run and really the play
Speaker 2: from seven to thirteen was I mean, about as good
Speaker 2: as it gets. So yeah, that was when he got
Speaker 2: himself like back in control of the tournament and then
Speaker 2: managed to finish from there. As far as the course
Speaker 2: set up goes, it was very interesting because they hadn't
Speaker 2: had much rain at all coming into the tournament and
Speaker 2: so conditions were ideal. I was lucky enough to play
Speaker 2: the Sunday before it was just magnificent, like so good,
Speaker 2: and by the time Thursday rolled around it was cooler.
Speaker 2: If you remember correctly, there was a decent wind out
Speaker 2: of the north and zero humidity. So when you add
Speaker 2: that stuff together, I mean it's like a perfect recipe
Speaker 2: for stuff to get rarely fired up. And the scoring
Speaker 2: showed that. I mean, it was about as tough as
Speaker 2: it can get. And then you know, overnight into Friday,
Speaker 2: everything kind of switched and the wind switched back out
Speaker 2: of the south, humidity was back, temperatures were up, and
Speaker 2: to me it felt like that humidity that came back
Speaker 2: into the air sort of provided that that touch of
Speaker 2: moisture to make the course play a little differently from
Speaker 2: there on out. So that that was sort of my
Speaker 2: analysis of how things unfolded.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the important thing too is they you know,
Speaker 3: they put water down. I think they got pretty much
Speaker 3: right to the line that they would say is acceptable
Speaker 3: if you, you know, if you had a conversation with
Speaker 3: the tournament committee and the in the people to prepare
Speaker 3: the golf course, I think they got to like right
Speaker 3: at the line of like where they might have even
Speaker 3: been a little uncomfortable on Thursday. But the reality with
Speaker 3: Friday and Saturday, there was no wind. If you if
Speaker 3: you put a ten mile an hour wind in the equation,
Speaker 3: those dreams greens would have gotten super firm, and that
Speaker 3: was the different To me, It felt like the difference
Speaker 3: between Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, which in my opinion, Sunday
Speaker 3: was just about as perfect as you could get, and
Speaker 3: the difference between those two days and Sunday was just
Speaker 3: a little bit of wind, and as if you're setting
Speaker 3: up a golf course, you have to prepare for. Hey,
Speaker 3: if ten miles an hour wind of wind pops up,
Speaker 3: are we going to be okay? And I think that's
Speaker 3: where you know, Thursday it might have spooked up a little,
Speaker 3: but I the reality is if you look at at
Speaker 3: the tournament, I think you still had to hit shots.
Speaker 3: I on Thursday or on Friday and Saturday, I was
Speaker 3: still out there watching really good players hit shots that
Speaker 3: landed in middles of greens and bounced over like to me,
Speaker 3: you know, Saturday afternoon, Cameron Young, one of the one
Speaker 3: of the highest ball hitters on tour, you know, tried
Speaker 3: to get home in two on I think fifteen and
Speaker 3: it bounced over the green and it's like like.
Speaker 1: That landed on the green.
Speaker 3: This is a guy that can can launch it as
Speaker 3: high as anyone, you know, yea and so so.
Speaker 1: To a certain extent, I think it was really good.
Speaker 3: I wanted to get back to Rory a little and
Speaker 3: put kind of a bow on this. Obviously the main
Speaker 3: one of the big items of discourses is Rory the
Speaker 3: best European player of all time, h with the with
Speaker 3: the when he moved to six majors, which tied Nick Faldo,
Speaker 3: and then he passed obviously Sevy who has five.
Speaker 1: What are your what are your thoughts on the subject matter.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I go to the source and I
Speaker 2: go to Nick Felder and I listened to what Nick
Speaker 2: Felder says. I mean, it's two guys that have a
Speaker 2: great amount of respect for and Nick Felder says that
Speaker 2: Rory is the greatest European golfer to live. And so
Speaker 2: when the guy that we're comparing Rory too says it,
Speaker 2: then I tend to believe it. And you look at
Speaker 2: Rory's body of work. I believe that's his thirtieth win
Speaker 2: here in the US. I mean, let's just call it
Speaker 2: PGA to a win, a whole host in Europe, Grand Slam,
Speaker 2: back to back masters. You know, you start to add
Speaker 2: the Ryder Cup stuff in and all the ancillary things
Speaker 2: that he's done, I would say so. And on top
Speaker 2: of that, I don't believe he's finished either. I think
Speaker 2: there's more to come. And you know, we always keep
Speaker 2: an eye on checking ourselves with recency bias when we
Speaker 2: do these wrap up pods, and you know, try not
Speaker 2: to bind into the hype too much. But you know,
Speaker 2: at thirty six about to be thirty seven, for the
Speaker 2: most part, extremely healthy, body, is an unbelievable shape, seems
Speaker 2: to be very, very comfortable in his own skin. You know,
Speaker 2: I would be extremely shocked if he didn't win, you know,
Speaker 2: another major from here on out in his career, like
Speaker 2: extremely shocked. So he's not done yet. And you look
Speaker 2: at the guys that he's joined now with six you know,
Speaker 2: you've mentioned Felder, you got I actually have this written Cain,
Speaker 2: Trevina Michelson. You look at guys with seven majors that
Speaker 2: he's looking to join, You've got Varden, sarah'sn Snead Palmer.
Speaker 2: You know, he's on his way here, and it's gonna
Speaker 2: be fun to see how the sun folds.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: It's he's spent such a relevant figure in so many
Speaker 3: majors the last five years, and he's only got these
Speaker 3: two wins. You know, if you you kind of go
Speaker 3: back to the old course, you go back to you
Speaker 3: know La, you know, all there are these majors where
Speaker 3: he basically you know, he plays a good round on
Speaker 3: Sunday it's over, you know, and I think Pineercy played
Speaker 3: really well. It kind of slipped through at the end,
Speaker 3: but you know, you you look at this and it's like,
Speaker 3: can to me, there's a real ability probably for him
Speaker 3: to get to nine. You know, I don't if he
Speaker 3: got to nine, it's not unrealistic. And then you're looking
Speaker 3: at the only people ahead of you are Nicholas Woods
Speaker 3: and Hagen, and then you're tied with Hogan and Player.
Speaker 3: I said the over under at seven point five on
Speaker 3: our immediate aftermath, trying to be very conservative. I think
Speaker 3: like you always get in these moments and you think,
Speaker 3: oh my god.
Speaker 1: They just did it. It's you know, they're just going
Speaker 1: to keep going.
Speaker 3: But you know, you get to eight at with Watson,
Speaker 3: you know that these are it's you know, it's just
Speaker 3: like kind of amazing when you think of where we
Speaker 3: were fourteen months ago with the Rory discourse of will
Speaker 3: you ever get another? He might be stuck at four,
Speaker 3: Brooks has five, Scotty now is up to four, but like,
Speaker 3: you know, Scotty's barreling down and Scotty's still right behind him,
Speaker 3: you know, but you start to yeah, I'm much younger,
Speaker 3: and but you look at this and it's like, you know,
Speaker 3: he's got something I thought this week was I think
Speaker 3: he's the best golfer he's ever been, and it's not
Speaker 3: even close. He can play anywhere. It seems like the
Speaker 3: harder it gets, the better he is.
Speaker 1: This week. I don't think anybody.
Speaker 3: Ever in his career thought like, hey, you know what,
Speaker 3: he's going to pick a part a field and dominate
Speaker 3: a field on and around the greens.
Speaker 1: That was never expected of Rory mac.
Speaker 3: And you know, obviously the shot that kind of stealed
Speaker 3: the deal, that won the tournament, you know, among many
Speaker 3: was the shot on twelve, And when you break down
Speaker 3: that shot and everything that went into it, it's like
Speaker 3: the full encapsulation of the maturing and the growth of
Speaker 3: Rory McElroy as a golfer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, gosh, I totally agree with that. He does seem
Speaker 2: to be even more complete. Now. You just think about
Speaker 2: last year. You know, statistically, I know you love data,
Speaker 2: so I'll throw some data out there for you. Statistically,
Speaker 2: last year is his best putting year ever of his career.
Speaker 2: And you know, we're talking about a Hall of famer,
Speaker 2: you know, possibly top ten, greatest player to ever lived,
Speaker 2: definitely top fifteen and last year two decades in, pretty
Speaker 2: much he has his best putting year ever. And you
Speaker 2: start to add that to the short game and the wedging,
Speaker 2: that's that's maturing still has maintained all of this power.
Speaker 2: In a certain sense, he's even more he's more explosive
Speaker 2: than what he's ever been off the tee. You know,
Speaker 2: obviously he wasn't quite as accurate this time around, but
Speaker 2: you know, I'm sure he'll tighten that up. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: I think if the line is seven and a half,
Speaker 2: I'm taking the over on that. I mean, I think
Speaker 2: I think he's going to get to eight at the
Speaker 2: very least, just because of the wealth of experience now,
Speaker 2: the self confidence, the maturity in the game, extra weapons
Speaker 2: that he has, the ability now to know that he's
Speaker 2: won all these majors in different styles. He's run away,
Speaker 2: he's come from behind, he's coughed up leads and got
Speaker 2: it back. You know, he's he has all all of
Speaker 2: this stuff to draw on whilst still having his full
Speaker 2: complement of weapons. You know, it's it's gonna be a
Speaker 2: lot of fun, particularly when you consider, you know, Scheffler
Speaker 2: is he's the man, and you know you've got guys
Speaker 2: like Cameron Young that are that are also starting to
Speaker 2: figure it out and rarely elevating his game to a
Speaker 2: world class level. And you've got Ramud Deschamba that there's
Speaker 2: a more of a question mark on. You know, it
Speaker 2: doesn't quite appear that at this level they're as sharp
Speaker 2: as what they have been in the past. But I
Speaker 2: wouldn't put him past it. I wouldn't put it past
Speaker 2: them to figure it out and bridge that gap as well.
Speaker 2: And I'm forgetting a whole host of guys, but we're
Speaker 2: not going to Randers. Got ten to fifteen guys that
Speaker 2: could step up and challenge, you know, as Rory is
Speaker 2: at this point in his career. So I've feel like
Speaker 2: we're poised to have a pretty awesome next five to
Speaker 2: ten years in the professional game and at the major
Speaker 2: championship level.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you got a Between Scotty and Rory, they've won
Speaker 3: four of the last five Majors, which is kind of
Speaker 3: a jarring stat.
Speaker 2: Look at the Masters. Look Look look how they've run
Speaker 2: through the Masters in the last you know, a few years.
Speaker 2: You know, you obviously throw Rom in there as well,
Speaker 2: but these guys are kind of at a point to
Speaker 2: where they look, they're going back and forth. You know,
Speaker 2: it's kind of cool.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think there's something to say about you know,
Speaker 3: just just Augusta and where it's gotten to. You know,
Speaker 3: you go all the way back to twenty nineteen, you
Speaker 3: go Tiger, DJ Hedeki, Scotti, Rom Scotti, Rory, Rory. I
Speaker 3: think that the Masters every year is you know, I
Speaker 3: think it. I think the the lower and the gravity
Speaker 3: of what the Masters means is just getting It's getting
Speaker 3: heavier every year on players, and I think what the
Speaker 3: way it's kind of shaking out is. It's I don't
Speaker 3: think we're gonna see any any like. I think it's
Speaker 3: going to be for the foreseeable future, just monster names
Speaker 3: that win the Masters because of the way they've been
Speaker 3: able to evolve the golf course with the technology, unlike
Speaker 3: so many other major championship courses. And this is not
Speaker 3: meant to you know, do drive by on ironom inc.
Speaker 3: But you know, I think there are a lot of
Speaker 3: questions I have about Irano and being able, like are
Speaker 3: the bunkers even in play on most holes? But like this,
Speaker 3: this golf course's ability to evolve with the times, the
Speaker 3: way they've been able to keep thirteen and fifteen really
Speaker 3: as relevant par fives over the years because of you know,
Speaker 3: new t Box is new Land purchases, you know that
Speaker 3: other courses can't do, but that it is created this
Speaker 3: golf course that I think like it even from when
Speaker 3: you played, has evolved into from like because the game's
Speaker 3: gotten longer. It isn't necessarily just a bomber's golf course.
Speaker 3: You have to be so proficient on approach, you have
Speaker 3: to be so good around the greens, and you have
Speaker 3: to be putting from the right places and you're going
Speaker 3: to have to make putts to win a major championship
Speaker 3: to where you know we always go and like, I
Speaker 3: think port Rush is on the on a level, a
Speaker 3: really high level, and I think this year Shanna Cox
Speaker 3: on a really high level. But I think it's this
Speaker 3: just is probably the best golf course of challenging the
Speaker 3: modern tour pro.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that. I mean, Shinnecock's amazing. I'm
Speaker 2: a messifet of Birkdale this year. You know, I have
Speaker 2: a lot a lot of love for naming, having first
Speaker 2: played there in the US Junior in the nineties. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean Augusta National has the ability and has done
Speaker 2: a wonderful job of maintaining the challenge and the original
Speaker 2: shot value and keeping up with the technological advancements, which
Speaker 2: I know you and I aren't always the biggest fans of,
Speaker 2: but the you know, you run down, you run down
Speaker 2: the top ten, and I'm just looking at it here,
Speaker 2: like you say, you don't have to be a bomber.
Speaker 2: I mean you look at turl Hatton and Russell Henley
Speaker 2: aren't bombers. Justin Rose is not a bomber. Then you've
Speaker 2: got McElroy, I mean more a coward.
Speaker 1: And then he was hitting it what to seventy all week?
Speaker 2: Well, the guy could barely walk. Yeah, the guy could
Speaker 2: barely walk. He was making swings that were so unusual.
Speaker 2: Having watched him play a lot, I mean you could
Speaker 2: just see that he was really struggling through impact and
Speaker 2: into his follow through with some sort of spasm in
Speaker 2: his lower back to where he didn't have the usual motion.
Speaker 2: But still, through experience and sheer guts and talent, you
Speaker 2: know he's able to shoot a brilliant score and have
Speaker 2: a wonderful tournament. You've just got such a great array
Speaker 2: of players and skill sets in the top ten and yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, look, the course of the tournament are just
Speaker 2: so wonderful. I mean, second to none. It's such a
Speaker 2: blessing to be able to go back year after year
Speaker 2: when I was playing and now as a broadcaster and
Speaker 2: just be a part of it. I mean, it's it's
Speaker 2: a spectacle.
Speaker 3: It is I'm gonna ask a tough question now, okay,
Speaker 3: and this is this is the this is the the
Speaker 3: on the spot. It doesn't you know, you can change
Speaker 3: your opinion on this in a in a week and
Speaker 3: I won't hold.
Speaker 1: It to you.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm asking you today who ends up with more majors?
Speaker 3: Rory or Scotty six. Rory's got six, Scotty's got four.
Speaker 2: Man, That is a tough one. That is such a
Speaker 2: tough one. And there's a few reasons why it's tough.
Speaker 2: You know. I'm a great admirer of both of their games,
Speaker 2: and the toughness, the determination, the work ethic, the the
Speaker 2: ability that they have is it's fun to be able
Speaker 2: to watch and watch up close. The reason it's so
Speaker 2: hard to answer is just because you're never quite sure
Speaker 2: what can happen in life. You know, one of these
Speaker 2: guys get injured and something happened. It's like such a
Speaker 2: it's like such a tricky one to answer, you know,
Speaker 2: with Scotty being two majors behind. But what are we
Speaker 2: talking seven years younger?
Speaker 1: Yeah, right about six six seven.
Speaker 2: So if he can, if he can stay healthy, you know,
Speaker 2: at times we've seen him struggle with some neck issues
Speaker 2: and not always be comfortable. If he can stay healthy,
Speaker 2: I mean he's got he's got a pretty nice start
Speaker 2: only being two behind Rory. So that is a man
Speaker 2: that's a tough one to answer. It's like it's like debating,
Speaker 2: you know, who's the greatest player to ever live, Tiger
Speaker 2: or Jack. You know, it's it's not as clear cut
Speaker 2: when you look at the whole picture.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I see, you're not even answering it.
Speaker 2: No, I I think it's you know, Scotty said in
Speaker 2: his one of his breast conferences the other day, what
Speaker 2: a dumb question? Like next one? Let's go, next question,
Speaker 2: next question.
Speaker 1: I gotta say, I gotta say. Later that interview, it
Speaker 1: didn't get it didn't get clipped very much. You know,
Speaker 1: everybody clipped the Scotty what a dumb question?
Speaker 3: Later in the interview, he was he answered another question
Speaker 3: he was running down the Pozzi miss and he goes,
Speaker 3: you know what, that Wasn't that dumb of a question?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he realized. And you know, I haven't
Speaker 2: spoken to him about this, but you know he's he's
Speaker 2: got a pretty dry and and interesting sense of humor Scotty,
Speaker 2: and I kind of wonder if he was just having
Speaker 2: a little fun there. Uh. But yeah, getting back to
Speaker 2: the one that is that is a tough one. I mean,
Speaker 2: you and I could do a two hour podcast comparing
Speaker 2: to them and wondering and speculating how this could all
Speaker 2: play out.
Speaker 3: We we did the we did the the the anonymous
Speaker 3: pull of PGA Tour players insiders, different people are associated
Speaker 3: with the game at the beginning of the year, and
Speaker 3: you can see.
Speaker 1: That on our website.
Speaker 3: But I think the general consensus for Scotty, if I'm
Speaker 3: recalling correctly, everybody kind of settled on nine majors, so
Speaker 3: and I think I would probably fall in the bucket
Speaker 3: of like if I I think Rory gets to eight
Speaker 3: or nine, which makes it a extremely hard It's just
Speaker 3: two majors is so many as we and Rory McElroy's
Speaker 3: like the perfect capsule capsulation of what can happen.
Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, Scott Scotty is you know the thing
Speaker 2: about him, you know, and I said earlier over in
Speaker 2: the bucket with Nicholas and Woods, and from a standpoint
Speaker 2: of consistency, brilliant strategy and being able to maneuver themselves
Speaker 2: around different types of tests. You know, in his his
Speaker 2: like never say die, never quit attitude and demeanor has
Speaker 2: really impressed itself upon me. How for the most part
Speaker 2: this season, you know, he's he hasn't got off to
Speaker 2: great starts in the first couple of rounds, but somehow
Speaker 2: he's still got a chance to win the tournament with
Speaker 2: nine dollars to play, and that ability even here against
Speaker 2: these types of players, to be twelve back after thirty
Speaker 2: six holes and only lose by one's it's pretty ominous
Speaker 2: for the others, you know, as he just starts to
Speaker 2: get better and better and refine on these skills that
Speaker 2: he has.
Speaker 3: That that it's a great point you make about Scotty,
Speaker 3: the like that never quit attitude. I feel like when
Speaker 3: people make a cut on their number, maybe they shoot
Speaker 3: a Saturday seventy three, you know, and they they just
Speaker 3: kind of like are done and they're gonna go shoot
Speaker 3: a emotionless seventy two tomorrow and they're already thinking of
Speaker 3: getting out of town.
Speaker 1: To me, like one of Scotty's.
Speaker 3: Superpowers is he whether it's the the seventy first hole
Speaker 3: and he's t twenty one, or the you know, the
Speaker 3: second hole of a major and he's in third, you
Speaker 3: see the same approach and mentality and desire to compete,
Speaker 3: Like I think it gets I think maybe one thing
Speaker 3: that doesn't get talked about enough is Scotty's like level
Speaker 3: as a competitor.
Speaker 2: I tell you where I've always felt it, but I'll
Speaker 2: tell you where I really really took notice was this
Speaker 2: year in LA when he wasn't playing well at all,
Speaker 2: and you know, they've got these top fifty entire cuts
Speaker 2: at some signature events, and he had to make like
Speaker 2: a seven foot left to right Poanna putt just to
Speaker 2: make the cut on the Friday, and he goes ahead
Speaker 2: and rolls this thing right in the middle, and he
Speaker 2: gives it like a huge fist pump, which we don't
Speaker 2: often see from him, and I was like, WHOA, Like
Speaker 2: that's interesting. You know, it would have been so easy
Speaker 2: for that part to just slip by, and every would
Speaker 2: have excused, like, Okay, Cheffler finally has a bad week
Speaker 2: and just seeing what making that put meant for him
Speaker 2: to be able to fight another two days and get
Speaker 2: himself back into tournament. He ended up finishing twelfth that week,
Speaker 2: and that was when I started saying to people and
Speaker 2: in the media, like he's like the ocean. This guy
Speaker 2: he just never stops, like the waves, and the waves
Speaker 2: just keep coming. It doesn't matter. The tide may come
Speaker 2: in and out, but the waves are still like rolling in.
Speaker 2: He doesn't stop. He doesn't stop if he goes to
Speaker 2: a tournament, He's just going to keep keep coming, keep
Speaker 2: doing his thing, and inevitably have a chance with nine
Speaker 2: to play. It's it's an incredible skill and I raally
Speaker 2: hope over the course of his career that the majority
Speaker 2: of people appreciate how brilliant that is.
Speaker 3: When you look at his tournament, I mean, it just
Speaker 3: comes down to he shot seventy four on the easiest day.
Speaker 3: You know, he found the water on both par fives
Speaker 3: on the back nine, and it was it was such
Speaker 3: an anti Scottie round. And you know, I think you
Speaker 3: could look at the seventy he shot on Thursday and
Speaker 3: you could say that was one of the rounds of
Speaker 3: the tournament, playing in that afternoon, like it was so hard.
Speaker 3: It was you know, he had a couple putts that
Speaker 3: were bad lipouts, but you look at it and one
Speaker 3: of my big takeaways from the week is just how
Speaker 3: challenging it is to play. You saw so many people
Speaker 3: play two good rounds of golf in a row. How
Speaker 3: challenging it is to play three exceptional rounds of golf
Speaker 3: in a row around Augusta National, and you saw like
Speaker 3: Rory put together I think I think the final round
Speaker 3: given what everybody kind of did around him, and you
Speaker 3: know with Cam like he shot in justin Rose like
Speaker 3: he should be played a pretty good final round.
Speaker 1: It was a decent final.
Speaker 3: Round, but you look at everybody else and it's one
Speaker 3: round kind of you could you can look at and
Speaker 3: be like, that was the round that they lost the
Speaker 3: term in nine yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: And the second nine on the second day really kind of
Speaker 2: hurt because he made the birdie on ten and then
Speaker 2: you kind of felt like he was going to kick
Speaker 2: it into gear. Yeah, and then hits nice t shots
Speaker 2: on those part fives, thirteen and fifteen, and he's in
Speaker 2: perfect position to now keep going and start to build momentum,
Speaker 2: and both of them going in the water is very uncharacteristic,
Speaker 2: and that that was very, very costly for him and
Speaker 2: just proved to be uh, you know, a shot too
Speaker 2: far back, which means which means he could have gone
Speaker 2: into a playoff. He was only eleven back after the sixs.
Speaker 2: I mean, the guy is unbelievable. Yeah, you know, we
Speaker 2: talk about Rory having majors in his future. This guy
Speaker 2: who he's, he's he's still the player to beat. Every
Speaker 2: time Schiffler is in the field, he is still the
Speaker 2: guy to beat.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I could beat him.
Speaker 2: If you beat him, you're probably winning the tournament.
Speaker 3: It in the in the the two of them to
Speaker 3: me have separated so much from everybody else too, you know,
Speaker 3: And that's like, you know, I did a couple just
Speaker 3: sports radio hits, and it's like there's Scottie and there's
Speaker 3: like a giant body of water, and then there's Rory
Speaker 3: and then there's an ocean and the rest of the
Speaker 3: world is there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's pretty accurate, man, pretty accurate. But you know,
Speaker 2: this game is fascinating and momentum and confidence. You know,
Speaker 2: we you and I have spoken about this before. It's
Speaker 2: so delicate. It's one of the beauties of our sport.
Speaker 2: It can turn in a heartbeat, and you know, it'll
Speaker 2: be interesting to see who steps up to be able
Speaker 2: to try and challenge. You know, a couple of years
Speaker 2: ago it was Ander winning two majors in one season,
Speaker 2: and then he got a little unfortunate with the rib
Speaker 2: injury and it seemed to slow his momentum down. He
Speaker 2: does seem to be on the way back now. You
Speaker 2: look at some other players, you know in our reference
Speaker 2: Cam Young earlier, and you know we can we can
Speaker 2: keep mentioning him. You know, he could turn around and
Speaker 2: all of a sudden win two majors for the rest
Speaker 2: of this year, and and and and keep building on
Speaker 2: that and and then you know you have another person
Speaker 2: in that realm that is really challenging and becoming a
Speaker 2: force at these biggest tournaments. So you know, while we
Speaker 2: are rightfully so giving Scheffler and macelroy all the praise
Speaker 2: and kudos right now, uh, you just never know who
Speaker 2: who's about to step up and and really start to
Speaker 2: challenge consistently. And so it's part of the fun of
Speaker 2: our job being able to document all of this on
Speaker 2: the fly.
Speaker 3: I uh, yeah, I just parlayed right into the thing
Speaker 3: I wanted.
Speaker 1: To talk about next.
Speaker 3: One quick note that I just realized looking over the
Speaker 3: board and looking over OWGR and I don't know how
Speaker 3: many times this has happened, But do you know who
Speaker 3: won two, three, four in the OWGR is well that
Speaker 3: you're the chairman of. Yeah, I want to put you
Speaker 3: on spot with your know.
Speaker 2: I do know that. You know you've got McElroy and
Speaker 2: Scheffler who are one or two and finished first and second,
Speaker 2: and you've got Young right up there.
Speaker 1: And Young finish T three third. Do you know who's fourth?
Speaker 2: Well, now it's Rose after the Masters.
Speaker 3: Who finished T three. So it's kind of crazy.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: That sounds like we know what we're doing, Andy.
Speaker 1: Contrary to one tours maybe one tourist belief. Maybe you do.
Speaker 2: And by the way, just a quick shout out to
Speaker 2: the WGR. Last week doing the Masters was the forty
Speaker 2: year anniversary of the start of WGR. And so you know,
Speaker 2: I've only been involved for a year now, but been
Speaker 2: a ton of people that have put in a lot
Speaker 2: of work over the years. You know, a lot of
Speaker 2: good work, a lot of a lot of changes and
Speaker 2: adjustments over the years two to rarely maintain what I
Speaker 2: believe has been a great asset to our sport. So
Speaker 2: I just want to give a little shout out to
Speaker 2: to everybody that's been involved over four decades at WGR.
Speaker 3: Okay, uh, yeah, that's uh, it's been I mean it
Speaker 3: started with Bernie Langer, the first number one in the
Speaker 3: world way.
Speaker 1: Back for trying to go.
Speaker 3: Now, let's talk about world number three, Cam Young obviously
Speaker 3: one of the players that was a huge you know
Speaker 3: win h to me. And this is just you know,
Speaker 3: you could probably statistically get there, but there aren't many
Speaker 3: people that you watch play golf in particularly fifty four
Speaker 3: holes with Rory Backleroy, where it's like this guy can hang,
Speaker 3: this guy has has it. And I think, you know,
Speaker 3: we've seen him now nineteen major championships. He's got seven
Speaker 3: top ten finishes in nineteen major championships. This week, you know,
Speaker 3: had a real chance to win. I think he was
Speaker 3: a little squirrely on Sunday, which is understandable. You know,
Speaker 3: probably the first time where he's you know, held the
Speaker 3: lead solo outright and felt that WHOA, I might win
Speaker 3: a major feeling, but that being said, you know, seems
Speaker 3: to be ascending into a kind of his kind of
Speaker 3: in that to me right now, in the realm of
Speaker 3: of the rom Bryson category of major championship player, and
Speaker 3: and I you know, I'm fascinated to see where it goes.
Speaker 3: There's like, obviously a couple things in this game that
Speaker 3: could be cleaned up, the wedge play, but once he
Speaker 3: once he gets that all sorted out, he the demeanor,
Speaker 3: the disposition, everything just feels like somebody who's gonna win
Speaker 3: at least one major, maybe more.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree with you. I'm a huge fan
Speaker 2: of his and his family quite honestly great people, normal,
Speaker 2: down to earth, wonderful people. And it's been so much
Speaker 2: fun to see his growth over the last let's just
Speaker 2: call it eight months or so. You know, you go
Speaker 2: back to everyone questioning whether he can get it done,
Speaker 2: even just at the PGA Tour level, and then youans Windham,
Speaker 2: which really is not necessarily a golf course that you
Speaker 2: would anticipate him getting his first win on, and then
Speaker 2: the incredible play at the Ryder Cup, and then the
Speaker 2: players and now having another shot. I mean, he's had
Speaker 2: a bunch of top tens in majors like you just
Speaker 2: touched on. I'm just a huge fan. I mean, great
Speaker 2: skill set, love his demeanor, you know, I love the stoicness.
Speaker 2: I like the fact that you know, he just does
Speaker 2: his own thing, he's not perturbed by it. And now
Speaker 2: with him much the same way as McRoy, obviously hasn't
Speaker 2: won nearly as much, but he really has turned that
Speaker 2: potter into overall when you look at the thirty thousand
Speaker 2: foot view into a weapon and you start to add
Speaker 2: that to his driving ability and long iron capabilities. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think he's one of the guys like you touch on,
Speaker 2: like a ram or a Deshambo, that could pop up
Speaker 2: at any moment and win one of the biggest events.
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Speaker 3: to Trevor. You're I think the same age as Justin wrote.
Speaker 2: I'm six months older.
Speaker 3: What what's it like watching him do what he's doing
Speaker 3: at this age.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's awesome. I love it. I love it. It's
Speaker 2: the same with Adam Scott. We're all within six months
Speaker 2: of each other age wise, and been competing against each
Speaker 2: other since we were thirteen years old. I have a
Speaker 2: ton of respect for Rosie and how you know, He's
Speaker 2: discipline and dedication has has really stayed at the same
Speaker 2: level through all these years. And you know, I said
Speaker 2: this on the broadcast, like he's a he's a he's
Speaker 2: a big moment player, you know, And I get a
Speaker 2: real kick out of that. This one is going to hurt,
Speaker 2: no doubt. I mean last year. Last year definitely hurt
Speaker 2: because you know, you're right there at the end in
Speaker 2: a playoff, but you know, going into Sunday, how big
Speaker 2: of a chance does he have. He ends up making
Speaker 2: ten birdies in the file round in twenty twenty five
Speaker 2: and Rory stutters down the stretch and then all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, this opportunity is like, in a certain sense,
Speaker 2: thrust on him. But this year, when he's got a
Speaker 2: two shot lead and he's making the turn and he's
Speaker 2: standing at the top of the hill on eleven in
Speaker 2: a certain way, in control of the tournament, and then
Speaker 2: doesn't win. It's definitely going to sting. But yeah, to
Speaker 2: see him have all these opportunities over the last few
Speaker 2: years in major championships is a blast. Man. I love it.
Speaker 2: I'm so happy for him and proud of him. And
Speaker 2: you know, he's hungry. He's hungry to win, and he's
Speaker 2: willing to put the time and the effort in and
Speaker 2: it's still showing incredible discipline with recovery and preparation. And
Speaker 2: so would I be surprised if he begs another major.
Speaker 2: Absolutely not. In fact, I'm rooting for him. I hope
Speaker 2: he does it. I think it'd be an unbelievable story.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I this one had to kill, you know, between
Speaker 3: between eleven and twelve. Obviously eleven, you know, just kind
Speaker 3: of a loose swing there, but then thirteen, I felt
Speaker 3: like he felt like he probably needed that eagle. I
Speaker 3: think he had. You know, Rory talked about getting to fifteen,
Speaker 3: was in his mind all day and he's like, it's over.
Speaker 3: I think all these guys had like numbers in their mind,
Speaker 3: and I think it all it ended up being lower
Speaker 3: than everybody's number, which is like kind of why you
Speaker 3: should operate. A lot of people will say why you
Speaker 3: should operate without a preconceived number in your mind, because
Speaker 3: you never know what it's going to be. I thought
Speaker 3: Adam Scott, obviously your friend in contemporary with with Justin.
Speaker 3: One of the comments he made after the round after
Speaker 3: Sunday round was that he understands his tendencies and has
Speaker 3: like built his game around those tendencies. And he I
Speaker 3: think he said something along the lines of, I've never
Speaker 3: seen a player that understands themselves so much.
Speaker 2: And he's talking about Justin Rose.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's talking about Justin.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree with that. I totally agree with that.
Speaker 2: You know, it's just a culmination of so much experience
Speaker 2: and being able to implement that experience in the right way.
Speaker 2: You know, at times, experience can hurt because it can
Speaker 2: build up some scot tissue that you're not able to overcome.
Speaker 2: But those two guys, in particular Justin who we're talking
Speaker 2: about now, having had the lead deep into the final round,
Speaker 2: you know, he's utilizing it in such a such a
Speaker 2: wonderful way. And you know, for me and I haven't
Speaker 2: spoken to him about this. I'm just giving you my opinion,
Speaker 2: having watched very closely, is it felt like he was
Speaker 2: a little bit in between clubs on the second into eleven,
Speaker 2: and he went with a bit more club, just trying
Speaker 2: to ease it up that right side. I mean, really,
Speaker 2: anything on the green is a great shot, particularly when
Speaker 2: you're leading, but when you know you might have a
Speaker 2: little bit too much club and you know you can't
Speaker 2: go left, and he was kind of felt like he
Speaker 2: was guiding it down there, and it was an uncommitted
Speaker 2: swing just at the wrong time, and he left himself
Speaker 2: in such a difficult spot having to loft it over
Speaker 2: the bunker and stop it in time so it doesn't
Speaker 2: go into the pond. So then you make the bogie there,
Speaker 2: and it just it becomes a pivotal moment in the
Speaker 2: tournament now because now he's just made the mistake at
Speaker 2: the start of Amen corner and he goes to twelve,
Speaker 2: which is like it becomes a really really heavy moment
Speaker 2: with all the history we've seen unfold at twelve over
Speaker 2: the years that the Masters, and he hits a decent
Speaker 2: shot and the ball ends up just over the back,
Speaker 2: but it's not on the green, and so now bogie
Speaker 2: is it is in play. And then once again he
Speaker 2: finds himself in between clubs. You know, does he chip it?
Speaker 2: Does he putt it? And decides to go with the
Speaker 2: chip and poor execution, and now he's made two bogies
Speaker 2: in a row, and like you say, now he's got
Speaker 2: a press and he's a great t shut and a
Speaker 2: great second shot and uh yeah, maybe a little too
Speaker 2: forceful on that putt down the hill on thirteen and
Speaker 2: then misses the comeback and at that point it just
Speaker 2: felt like he had lost all the momentum.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, the.
Speaker 3: He's such you know, you look at his game too,
Speaker 3: and he's just like the perfect encapsulation of being really
Speaker 3: exceptionally well rounded. Like he's not overly long, but he
Speaker 3: did a lot of work at a pivotal point in
Speaker 3: his career in that early twenty tens to gain that
Speaker 3: speed that has allowed him this great longevity. You know,
Speaker 3: his iron play has always has been really good, but
Speaker 3: never you know, transcendently great. His short game is really good,
Speaker 3: his putting is really good. And if you include four
Speaker 3: moments like in when you need a putt, he is
Speaker 3: I think among the first that you would pick, but
Speaker 3: you like, go down the list and it's there's nothing
Speaker 3: extraordinarily exceptional, but the way that he puts it all
Speaker 3: together is just another class of like, you know, the
Speaker 3: ability to just get your game ready for these tough tests.
Speaker 1: And I thought, like this.
Speaker 3: Weekend, he had the tournament in control and he had
Speaker 3: not putted well, and it just to me, this week
Speaker 3: felt like almost like a continuation of Saturday last year,
Speaker 3: where he was hitting all the right shots, he put
Speaker 3: himself in all the right positions, and he just couldn't
Speaker 3: get the putter to go on that one run that
Speaker 3: he needed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, I don't really have too much
Speaker 2: to add to that other than you know, you look
Speaker 2: at all the skills that he has and how he's
Speaker 2: been able to maintain that over a very very long
Speaker 2: period of time, and you add to that the you know,
Speaker 2: if you're grading at the A plus mentality and toughness
Speaker 2: when you consider, you know, what he had to fight
Speaker 2: through early on in his career to be able to
Speaker 2: still all this time later be at the top of
Speaker 2: the sport in the biggest tournaments. It's it's remarkable. Man.
Speaker 2: I have a lot of a lot of respect for that,
Speaker 2: and like I said earlier, I wouldn't be surprised at
Speaker 2: all if he pops up and bags another major.
Speaker 1: We talked about Bori Kaua.
Speaker 3: I thought that was like outside the Winter, the performance
Speaker 3: of the week in terms of like T seven without anything.
Speaker 3: Were there any anybody else you know that you were
Speaker 3: really happy with their performance and what they did this week?
Speaker 2: Well, I think you got to give turl Hatton a
Speaker 2: shout out. Some really great play during the week and
Speaker 2: then on Sunday finishing the way he did. I mean
Speaker 2: he burnied thirteen fourteen, fifteen sixteen, and for a little
Speaker 2: little while there when he posted ten, you kind of like,
Speaker 2: you know, as those guys were making some mistakes around
Speaker 2: Amen corner, You're like, gosh, this this may be interesting
Speaker 2: here that this guy finishes this early and might sneak
Speaker 2: himself into a playoff or something like that. So you
Speaker 2: got to give him a shout out. I got a
Speaker 2: lot of respect for his game and be interesting to
Speaker 2: see how he builds on this in the major's remaining
Speaker 2: in this season. So I got to give tur awesome love.
Speaker 2: Russell Henley, I mean he's now had five top tens
Speaker 2: in his last nine majors. So he's around and about
Speaker 2: when it matters most. Marikaua extremely impressive, you know, with
Speaker 2: what he was fighting. One more that I'll give a
Speaker 2: shout out to is Max Homer. How about Max Homer
Speaker 2: bogie free sixty seven on Sunday, Eagle thirteen, birdie sixteen,
Speaker 2: birdie eighteen. You know, it's been well documented his struggles
Speaker 2: over the last let's call it a year to eighteen
Speaker 2: months or so. He got into this tournament by finishing
Speaker 2: top twelve last year and took full advantage of that
Speaker 2: and has done it again and has guaranteedy spot into
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty seven Masters. So you know, good on Max.
Speaker 2: I'm a fan of him. I like him a lot
Speaker 2: as a person, and you know, I know how hard
Speaker 2: he works and how much he wants to play well
Speaker 2: and be a factor in these tournaments, and so I
Speaker 2: got to give him give him a shout out for
Speaker 2: having a great week and a great Sunday.
Speaker 3: Also feeld like he feels at home and August the
Speaker 3: last three years T three, T twelve nine, So in
Speaker 3: the next the teeth like he was in it, he
Speaker 3: could have won.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's done some great work getting his long game
Speaker 2: back into shape and starting to own that trusty fade
Speaker 2: that we saw him utilize so well when he was
Speaker 2: winning PGA Tour events a few years ago. And I
Speaker 2: walked a few holes in practice with him on Tuesday, No, Wednesday,
Speaker 2: excuse me, Wednesday morning. His short game, you know, his
Speaker 2: little chips and pitches around the green. His technique is money.
Speaker 2: I mean, he really gets unbelievable friction and control on
Speaker 2: the ball and able to hit high spinners, low spinners,
Speaker 2: you know, low hooky ones that run out like he's
Speaker 2: got all the shots around the green and that that's
Speaker 2: a huge advantage to have around Augusta National because if
Speaker 2: your iron plays just a little off on one of
Speaker 2: the days and you miss five or six greens, the
Speaker 2: ability to be able to maintain momentum and hit great
Speaker 2: chips and pitches to save pause and wait until you
Speaker 2: can get on a run and find some rhythm again
Speaker 2: is huge. And he does have that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, I gotta shout out Sam Burns.
Speaker 1: I was super impressed by.
Speaker 3: Saturday, in particular in the moment, you know, in that
Speaker 3: fire pairing with with Rory and played really really strong golf,
Speaker 3: and obviously the second hole kind of kind of killed
Speaker 3: him on Sunday, uh making double there. But you know,
Speaker 3: he's now been really in position to win three majors
Speaker 3: the last couple of years. Got I would say, kind
Speaker 3: of a tough break at the US Open last year
Speaker 3: with the with the casual water ruling. But I think
Speaker 3: he he's someone that I you know, I didn't ever
Speaker 3: anticipate being you know, kind of I think he's going
Speaker 3: to get a major championship, though it is kind of
Speaker 3: where I'm I'm I'm leaning because he keeps finding himself
Speaker 3: in the mix, which is the number one thing you
Speaker 3: got to do to win one of these.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was very, very impressed with his Saturday performance
Speaker 2: in the final pairing playing with McElroy. Who's got the defense,
Speaker 2: he's got all the crowd support, he's the defending champion,
Speaker 2: and really, you know, he brings a lot of juice
Speaker 2: wherever he pitches up, you know, kind of like Tiger,
Speaker 2: and for Burns to go out there in that situation
Speaker 2: of b bogie free on that Saturday, I think is
Speaker 2: something that he's going to draw on a lot going
Speaker 2: forward in majors. And he proved to himself even though
Speaker 2: he didn't go on and win the tournament. He proved
Speaker 2: to himself on that day that he does have what
Speaker 2: it takes. And so yeah, I'm in agreement with you there.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 3: What's the one thing you're most looking forward to for
Speaker 3: the PGA, which you will be You'll be in the
Speaker 3: booth for.
Speaker 2: Well. I think it's going to be great to get
Speaker 2: back up to Philly. You know, great fans up there,
Speaker 2: passionate fans love this sport. Like I said, I have
Speaker 2: a soft spot for ronhim me for a couple of reasons.
Speaker 2: Gary Player won a PGA championship there. It's where I
Speaker 2: played in the US Junior many years ago. Unfortunately lost
Speaker 2: in the final. Not that I'm still bitter about that.
Speaker 2: I lost to Jason alright on the last hole. And
Speaker 2: so I just love that area and I'm looking forward
Speaker 2: to it and I'm hoping we get some some good
Speaker 2: weather throughout the week.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I think it'd be a good one, I really do.
Speaker 3: I Uh, I think iron makes really good test. I'm
Speaker 3: worried a little bit about the bunkers, but those greens
Speaker 3: are fantastic and I played. You know, this is not
Speaker 3: meant to be a humble brag, but I played it
Speaker 3: on a successive days. I went from Shinnacock to Mary
Speaker 3: into there, and I think those are the actually the
Speaker 3: best set of greens of the three. I think, like
Speaker 3: what what I'm really interested to see is those. It's
Speaker 3: kind of got a little bit of Augusta to it,
Speaker 3: where if you miss, you miss that little target that
Speaker 3: you need to get to. The lag putting is exceptionally hard.
Speaker 3: You're putting up over and then with big sweeping putts.
Speaker 3: So that's something I'm looking forward to. I I I
Speaker 3: hope we get some good weather so it can be
Speaker 3: presented firm of firmish. But the greens are really special
Speaker 3: out there, spectacular set of greens.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And around the greens too, you know, you've got
Speaker 2: a ton of runoffs and closely mown areas, so you
Speaker 2: guys are going to have to make sure that that
Speaker 2: they're really controlling the low point of their arc and
Speaker 2: getting great contact on the ball to be able to
Speaker 2: control it on that second bounce. So yeah, I'm looking
Speaker 2: forward to it. It's gonna be great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's uh, it should be. It should be a
Speaker 1: great Major.
Speaker 3: This was pretty much the perfect way to kick off
Speaker 3: another major season. Rory getting the win and uh, you
Speaker 3: got obviously Scottie, but I you know, I think there's
Speaker 3: just a slew of names as you as you hit
Speaker 3: on in that next tier that all these guys know
Speaker 3: that their their their lives, their careers are are kind
Speaker 3: of defined, whether fairly or own fairly by major championships.
Speaker 1: And and unfortunately.
Speaker 3: They've they've picked an era where you've got two monsters,
Speaker 3: you have to go accounts every year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and and you know, we we've spent the majority
Speaker 2: of this pot as we should, you know, talking about
Speaker 2: the the winners, let's just say the winners of of
Speaker 2: the Masters and guys that performed extremely well under intense pressure.
Speaker 2: But you know, two two big dogs in Ram and
Speaker 2: Deshambo had a pretty rough week, the Shambo in particular,
Speaker 2: and uh, you know, we know their capabilities. These guys
Speaker 2: are multiple major winners in their own right, and we
Speaker 2: know their capability, and uh, they're gonna be uh pretty annoyed,
Speaker 2: I would say, coming into the PGA Championship. And I'm
Speaker 2: sure it's gonna light a heavy fire under them. And
Speaker 2: so I can't wait to see how they respond. Can't
Speaker 2: wait because they are great players and great champions. But Uh,
Speaker 2: you know, like we touched on, you know, Rory's ability
Speaker 2: when his back is up against the wall. Uh, you know,
Speaker 2: we're gonna need to see some of that from from
Speaker 2: those two guys. Keep you know, keep pace, keep pace
Speaker 2: with with Scheffler and McElroy.
Speaker 3: They will see that and uh it seems like there
Speaker 3: might be questions on where they can respond in the
Speaker 3: near future. But that's a that's a podcast for another day. Yep, Trevor,
Speaker 3: thanks so much as always for joining us. Uh Aronomics
Speaker 3: just around the corner. Can't wait, can't wait to chat
Speaker 3: in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Andy, listen. Great job to you and the whole
Speaker 2: crew at the nineties Masters. It was great to read
Speaker 2: and listen to the awesome breakdown and different angles and
Speaker 2: storylines that you guys were covering. So well done. Get
Speaker 2: a little rest and we'll fire it up again.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks Trevor Chess. All right, thank you for listening
Speaker 3: to another edition of the Friday Golf Podcast. We're in
Speaker 3: the major season. There's only a couple of weeks away.
Speaker 3: We'll have some pods coming out. As of right now,
Speaker 3: as I'm recording this, I'm getting ready to go do
Speaker 3: a live podcast in St. Andrews about the old Course.
Speaker 3: We'll probably release that in the next couple of weeks,
Speaker 3: as well as a few other interviews we have been
Speaker 3: before we dive into the PGA Championship, rolling ahead, Can
Speaker 3: Rory get another one? Could Scotti get another one? Or
Speaker 3: will it be somebody else? All right, thank you and
Speaker 3: we'll be back next week. Big thanks to PJ Clark
Speaker 3: who worked his ass off last week and produced this pod.
Speaker 3: I hope he gets some sleep after today.