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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome back to Bachelor Happy Hour.

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Speaker 2: I'm Rachel and I'm Cheerity, and today we have a

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Speaker 2: very very special guest back for the very first time

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Speaker 2: since she hosted this podcast herself.

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Speaker 3: Please welcome the one and only Rachel Lindsay.

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Speaker 4: Ah, rachels, it's so nice to be back. It actually

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Speaker 4: really is.

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Speaker 5: I mean that people are going to doubt that when

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Speaker 5: I say that it's been five years and five years I.

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Speaker 1: Said that you wanted to come back permanently.

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Speaker 5: Off camera, I said, I said, being around you guys

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Speaker 5: back here makes me almost makes me want to come back.

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Speaker 4: And then I took it back as soon as.

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Speaker 3: I was immediately.

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Speaker 5: I you you guys, I miss working with everyone at

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Speaker 5: it and like we were talking off Mike, how you

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Speaker 5: guys have just like really come up. I'm so excited

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Speaker 5: for the two of you. When you guys were announced,

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Speaker 5: I was like, this is so much fun. The bachelorettes

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Speaker 5: are hosting again News Studio New Look. You saw how

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Speaker 5: we were doing it folding, we were slugging it out.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but I love what you guys are doing here,

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Speaker 4: So I'm really excited for y'all.

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Speaker 1: No, but obviously everyone is so excited anytime we get

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Speaker 1: to have you back in any capacity. But this is

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Speaker 1: actually crazy because you started this podcast we did, and

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Speaker 1: we've had over seven hundred episodes.

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Speaker 5: Really oh yeah, gosh, yeah, I guess twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 4: That was my first time ever podcasting, was it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is like I feel like our well at

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Speaker 1: least my first like official time podcasting, And it's so

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Speaker 1: hard to get used to, but we're excited.

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Speaker 5: You're gonna love it. Podcasting is the most freeing thing

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Speaker 5: that you can do. I always thought just TV that's it.

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Speaker 5: Now I'm like podcasting, that's that's where it's at.

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Speaker 6: I mean, you're you're a natural, like an absolute natural

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Speaker 6: at what you do.

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Speaker 4: You guys, thank.

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Speaker 3: You, but we're getting there.

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Speaker 4: It started here though, it started here, just.

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Speaker 1: It started here, and we're happy to continue your legacy.

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Speaker 1: But we also got a little bit more of you recently.

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Speaker 1: You did at the Bachelorette reunion.

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Speaker 4: Shocker, shocker.

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Speaker 1: I think when she.

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Speaker 4: Saw you, she she she didn't know that.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Katie, we were all so happy but so like

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Speaker 1: surprised to see you.

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Speaker 5: Roun nobody knew you show up except for Katie behind

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Speaker 5: the scenes. Okay, Katie behind the scenes. No producer Katie knew.

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Speaker 5: I just yeah, I didn't. I was like texting a

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Speaker 5: couple of girls.

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Speaker 4: And I was like, I don't know, I don't know.

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Speaker 5: It was a very last minute, but I am so

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Speaker 5: glad that I came. And I think that even when

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Speaker 5: it was announced, was like everyone's been posting that we

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Speaker 5: did this.

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Speaker 4: It's like Rachel lipped big. Rachel's in the building. You

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Speaker 4: know what, guys.

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Speaker 5: It feels like a new day, like if I was

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Speaker 5: gonna come back, Like I almost came back for you.

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Speaker 4: I almost came back list that.

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Speaker 5: But I don't tease her, but I messaged, but I

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Speaker 5: messaged Herry and I was like, I'm not going to

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Speaker 5: come back, but here's my number, you know, text me

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Speaker 5: if you need anything. But I almost did for Charity

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Speaker 5: and I wasn't ready. But this is like the perfect time.

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Speaker 5: It just feels like we're turning over a new leaf,

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Speaker 5: just with who's the new lead and everything, and so

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Speaker 5: I just.

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Speaker 4: Was like, come on, Rachel, this is it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I was going to ask whenas last time you reached

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Speaker 1: out to a lead before their season? Was it Charity?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it hasn't been you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Wow, that's crazy. You're this, uh twenty twenty three, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: for sure. Yeah, She's like, yeah, that sounds about right.

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Speaker 1: I feel like, ultimately, like turning over a new leaf.

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Speaker 1: I completely agree. This has been such a polarizing decision,

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Speaker 1: and I know that you've talked about that kind of

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Speaker 1: on hire learning that this is kind of a move

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Speaker 1: that the franchise needed to make.

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Speaker 3: I think, so do you feel that way?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, for business reasons.

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Speaker 5: It makes all the sense in the world, because some people, like,

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Speaker 5: of course I put up a post about it, and

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Speaker 5: I think people were like, is she kidding?

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Speaker 4: Is she not?

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Speaker 5: I'm like, this makes sense. It makes all the sense

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Speaker 5: in the world. I think it's a great decision. You know,

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Speaker 5: I don't watch I haven't watched the show in five years.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the last season you watched who was before Katie,

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Speaker 5: So Matt's season, Matt James season is the last.

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Speaker 4: Which makes sense.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Matt James season was the last one that I watched.

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Speaker 5: But with Taylor coming in, it's like, it just makes

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Speaker 5: all the sense in the world. Like, I'm excited. I

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Speaker 5: watched Secret Wives and Mormon Lives. I still love reality TV,

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Speaker 5: and I kind of hope I actually don't know I

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Speaker 5: take that back. I don't know if they should continue

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Speaker 5: in this.

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Speaker 1: So curious your thoughts, Like, she's never been in the

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Speaker 3: To be a lead.

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Speaker 1: That's so hard when you don't know what they're going through.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, what are your thoughts on that?

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Speaker 5: I think, Charity, I think I saw somewhere because like

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Speaker 5: bachelor stuff still is in my algorithm, and I think

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Speaker 5: I saw you talking about maybe her struggling because she's

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Speaker 5: never been in the system before, and I was thinking, like, yeah,

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Speaker 5: I agree with that. I think I like the system

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Speaker 5: of picking someone from before because the audience kind of

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Speaker 5: knows their story and they fall in love with them,

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Speaker 5: but the audience, maybe this audience doesn't, But there is

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Speaker 5: an audience that knows Taylor, so I think that people

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Speaker 5: can sympathize with her and understand it. Now for Taylor,

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Speaker 5: to your point that you made, I think she will struggle,

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Speaker 5: which is why I think it's cool that we were

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Speaker 5: able to talk to her so hopefully give her some

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Speaker 5: she's gonna be a little bit behind because this is

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Speaker 5: a totally different world, Like it's one thing to beat

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Speaker 5: yourself in your city, with your friends, with your I

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Speaker 5: was gonna say religion, but I don't think she's really

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Speaker 4: But just like that's like your world. This is a

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Speaker 5: It's a totally different beast and you guys know, like

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Speaker 5: even when you're a contestant, once you become the lead, it's.

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Speaker 4: A completely different thing.

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Speaker 3: So stay and night.

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Speaker 5: I think she'll struggle, but I'm kind of into the struggle.

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Speaker 5: I want that the dramatics of her trying to figure

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Speaker 5: and I kind of want to see her work it out.

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Speaker 5: Not like I'm rooting against her, but I just think

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Speaker 5: that that just adds a new element to the show.

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Speaker 6: Well for sure, I think it's gonna like provide, like

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Speaker 6: you said, an entertainment value that not to say any

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Speaker 6: of the other former bachelorettes haven't provided. I mean I

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Speaker 6: kind of compare her a little bit to probably closest

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Speaker 6: to Caitlyn, Like Caitlyn Briss shows her like, yeah, a

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Speaker 6: little bit of her mannerisms there. But honestly, I really

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Speaker 6: do feel like Taylor is kind of in a league

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Speaker 6: of her own. If that's like fair to say, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: No, that does she is. It makes total sense.

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Speaker 5: Now, do I think she's gonna, like, am I watching

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Speaker 5: the show because I'm expecting her to like get engaged

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 5: No, I think that she'll faalse for someone. I think

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Speaker 5: it'll be entertaining. I like that she says what's on

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Speaker 5: her mind. I think that she's a little rebellious. I'm

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Speaker 5: into that. I yeah, I but I'm not expecting her

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Speaker 1: I wanted to ask, like, just going off of what

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Speaker 1: especially America, puts you in a position where you have

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Speaker 1: to be like beyond perfect. Yeah, and what you were

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Speaker 1: expected to live up to is almost impossible to reach.

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Speaker 1: She's coming in and she already has all these you know,

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Speaker 1: I guess issues that society has.

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Speaker 4: A problem with.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but how do you feel like the way they

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Speaker 1: and it feels like everyone's kind of fine.

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Speaker 4: I mean, she's coming in as a hot mess. I've

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Speaker 4: said it, and I like that's I think she would

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Speaker 4: own that. I think she would own that, right, Like.

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Speaker 5: It's messy and it's it's she gets it. I'm not

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Speaker 5: I'm not trying to be messy and saying that, but

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Speaker 5: there is a lot that she.

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Speaker 4: Comes in with. You know, it's just do I need

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Speaker 5: Ed I I think it's good. You know, I think

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Speaker 4: A perfect person. I don't have it all together.

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Speaker 5: We're not normally walking around and beaded jeweled dresses that

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Speaker 5: like the most eligible woman is supposed to be, because

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Speaker 5: that's kind of how in America is supposed to be.

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Speaker 4: So I like that Taylor's coming in.

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Speaker 5: I don't know if I find her relatable, but I

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Speaker 5: think that you know just who she is, and like

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Speaker 4: I'm struggling to find what the word is. But I

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Speaker 4: just like the change. Like the change.

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Speaker 5: But I do think as a pushback the audience that

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Speaker 5: typically consumes the Bachelor, because I think you're going to

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Speaker 5: get a lot of new people from you know, social media,

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Speaker 5: from secret lives, so Mormon wives, they are going to

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Speaker 5: because I'm interested to see what the dialogue and the

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Speaker 5: discourse is going to be. But I think old viewers

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Speaker 5: will hold her to a certain standard. They will put

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Speaker 5: and I think that's going to be hard for her.

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Speaker 4: So I still think she's going.

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Speaker 5: To go through what people held the standard that people

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Speaker 5: held us to, and I think the new viewers, like

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Speaker 5: that might be some of the conversation that's going on,

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Speaker 5: are going to say no, but this is who Taylor is,

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Speaker 5: and most women come in with a past of having

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Speaker 4: Like I think that's actually kind of cool. When I

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Speaker 5: I kept running back to that is relatable.

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Speaker 1: I completely agree. And I know you've been a little

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Speaker 5: I'm not into I'm gonna watch your season, but I'm

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Speaker 5: That's gonna be tough, and that's a risk that she's

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Speaker 4: If is it possible? Sure?

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Speaker 5: If you're coming on the show for a social media career,

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Speaker 5: If I'm the bachelorette, you're not the guy that I want. Hello,

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Speaker 5: So is it possible like to find love?

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Speaker 4: Sure?

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Speaker 5: And I think that you can be surprised. I was

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Speaker 5: I didn't come on for social media. I came on

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Speaker 5: That was my main purpose. And then I was surprised

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Speaker 6: I think two things can exist, and like Rachel said, yeah,

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Speaker 6: I feel like here it's this like taboo rule of like, oh,

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Speaker 6: It's like you never hear anyone say, yeah, I want

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Speaker 5: How would you guys feel if you if you were

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Speaker 6: Creator for me and things that I want in this life. No,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Taylor, don't date a content creator, Like I think

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Speaker 3: Hello, let's talk about it.

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Speaker 5: It's not even like a red flag. It's like a wave.

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Speaker 5: It's like, I don't even know what it's called.

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Speaker 4: It's like, don't date a content creator, I think, And

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Speaker 5: Do you want to date somebody who has a totally

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Speaker 5: I just but you bring up such a good point

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Speaker 5: How do I know then you're not just using me

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Speaker 5: That's it's so hard with this system that is the

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Speaker 4: Sure, sure, it might be refreshing. I actually think the

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Speaker 5: If someone said, well, I'm I'm here because I'm trying

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Speaker 4: But do we think we're getting that this season? I don't.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I don't think any of them are, but

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Speaker 1: I say this, I went through we just did the

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Speaker 4: Can't you pay for that? Though?

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Speaker 3: Exactly? You sure can't, So what direction are you going?

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Speaker 1: Ew there's content being created, a lot of content, some good.

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Speaker 3: But no, it's full on production.

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Speaker 6: I don't. That's why I'm saying, have you not seen them, Rachel,

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Speaker 3: Page, I feel like we need to get the phone

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Speaker 6: So the cast got announced, and so as soon as

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think they all like did the same trend.

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Speaker 6: But I'm telling you, like full on production value of

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Speaker 3: I guess they.

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Speaker 1: Definitely all own ring lights, like that's we can guarantee.

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna show my age because I'm gonna take it back.

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Speaker 5: So it's been almost it's been ten years since I

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Speaker 5: because I'm gonna say something about y'all's generation of bachelorette

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Speaker 5: When I was a contestant. I didn't come with a

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Speaker 5: the There was no skincare routine. I learned that from

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Speaker 5: This is how the way you're talking about these guys,

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Speaker 4: We were like, look at them.

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Speaker 5: They know how to do their makeup, they know how

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Speaker 5: y'all like, well, that's I guess how everyone knows how

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Speaker 3: But yeah, that's what you're saying because it was lighting.

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Speaker 1: I will say it's so like glowy and like candle light,

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Speaker 3: There has to be something on that they put on them.

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Speaker 5: Now they did for you guys. Go back and look

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Speaker 4: That's true. So I can't it is sure mad at

442
00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,520
Speaker 4: it because these days everyone lives in their phone. They

443
00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:55,119
Speaker 4: live for the content. If you're not recording it, if

444
00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:56,800
Speaker 4: you're not taking a picture, did it happen?

445
00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:03,879
Speaker 5: So I'm curious because how the conversations will be because

446
00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:07,840
Speaker 5: I look, you know, ten years later, everyone's living in

447
00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:10,520
Speaker 5: their phone, they're talking like they.

448
00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:11,960
Speaker 4: Talk on social media.

449
00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:14,639
Speaker 5: Is that the conversation that I'm going to be getting

450
00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:16,800
Speaker 5: from these men with Taylor? Is it going to be

451
00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:20,800
Speaker 5: like I DK, you know, I don't know, whatever the

452
00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:25,040
Speaker 5: kids say, I just I don't know. I'm very curious,

453
00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:28,640
Speaker 5: as Will there be like this in depth, beautiful conversation

454
00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:33,240
Speaker 5: that we're having because we're just in a new era where.

455
00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,400
Speaker 4: People talk like their texting.

456
00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:36,320
Speaker 3: True.

457
00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:37,800
Speaker 4: I'm curious.

458
00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:40,080
Speaker 6: I feel like we talked a little bit about that, Rachel,

459
00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:42,600
Speaker 6: did we not When we were like kind of going

460
00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:44,240
Speaker 6: over the cast bios.

461
00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:45,640
Speaker 3: I was like ripping them apart.

462
00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:49,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, a little good, But I am when we went

463
00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:50,320
Speaker 1: through the cast bios.

464
00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:52,600
Speaker 4: So it's not good. Some are good.

465
00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,880
Speaker 1: Some are fathers. It's an older cast. I would say

466
00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:59,359
Speaker 1: everyone above the age of twenty eight.

467
00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:01,600
Speaker 4: Which is like new of the age of twenty eight.

468
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:02,479
Speaker 1: Youngest is twenty eight.

469
00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:02,840
Speaker 3: Yeah.

470
00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:04,480
Speaker 4: How many fathers?

471
00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:08,040
Speaker 3: Uh, there's like four, like three or four, okay.

472
00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:11,000
Speaker 1: Three and some fathers with multiple children like kids.

473
00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're giving her a very wide variety.

474
00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:18,159
Speaker 1: There's men with like there's engineers, I mean, and there

475
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:22,840
Speaker 1: was a paralympian. We have some like impressed creators, cowboys

476
00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:27,840
Speaker 1: actual job description. But I'm curious your thoughts. I think

477
00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:31,359
Speaker 1: when you're the lead and you leave with someone, we've

478
00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:34,719
Speaker 1: experienced this. It is so hard for the men to

479
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:38,360
Speaker 1: allow us to have that moment, to be the bachelorette,

480
00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:40,960
Speaker 1: to have the success that comes after. I feel like

481
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,760
Speaker 1: it's almost guaranteed that Taylor's going to have so much more.

482
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:44,520
Speaker 3: Success after this.

483
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, what type of guy do you think she needs

484
00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,679
Speaker 1: to end up with that would actually stand by her

485
00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,040
Speaker 1: when that all happens, Because I know it didn't happen

486
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:53,560
Speaker 1: for me. He like couldn't handle it.

487
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:56,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, so who did you have?

488
00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:57,600
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter.

489
00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:58,520
Speaker 1: We don't say his name.

490
00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 4: Okay, I genuinely don't know. That's the way you like it.

491
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:11,879
Speaker 4: I don't know this man. He can walk in idea.

492
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:16,160
Speaker 3: Literally, I didn't want it, but they struggled.

493
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 1: So watching us.

494
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 4: I have a different perspective because.

495
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 5: I'm to hear well, I thought I was with a

496
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 5: guy who did not care. It was kind of his brand.

497
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,840
Speaker 5: It was something that we bragged about. It was like, oh,

498
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:36,919
Speaker 5: he lets Rachel be Rachel, and he loves it and

499
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:40,440
Speaker 5: he supports it, you know, and she's got this big

500
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,720
Speaker 5: personality and he's way more chill. And I wanted to

501
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 5: pick a guy who kind of let me be big

502
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,159
Speaker 5: and take up a lot of space and was okay

503
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,640
Speaker 5: with that and was secure in himself.

504
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:53,120
Speaker 4: That's why I liked that.

505
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 5: You know, my ex was older, that he had a career,

506
00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 5: so I really was like, I found that guy, and

507
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:01,600
Speaker 5: that's what I would want for Taylor.

508
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 4: Now, what I.

509
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 5: Underestimated was that behind the scenes he wanted that as well.

510
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 5: For sure, all thought that what I was doing would

511
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:19,639
Speaker 5: trickle down to him, that he could latch onto that,

512
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 5: and then that would he in turn would be the

513
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 5: same way. What will be interesting for Taylor is Taylor

514
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,479
Speaker 5: does content and she brings her life into it. For me,

515
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,119
Speaker 5: when I came off the show, I didn't want to

516
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 5: do anything that was couple related.

517
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 4: I didn't do. It was very rare that you saw

518
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 4: couple content reels wasn't a thing back then. But I

519
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:47,399
Speaker 4: just didn't do that. I didn't make content with my ex.

520
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 5: And I think that's something that he was expecting and

521
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 5: that that would, you know, in turn be beneficial to him,

522
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 5: And it wasn't. And as our relationship progressed, I realized

523
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,679
Speaker 5: that that was not who he was. You know what,

524
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 5: you know what to say, you're meeting you're somebody's representative.

525
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 5: I was meeting his representative. For Taylor, it I would

526
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:16,199
Speaker 5: encourage her to find the guy who wants her to

527
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:17,720
Speaker 5: be that separately, which is why I don't think a

528
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 5: content creator is great if she brings him into her

529
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:24,160
Speaker 5: life and into her content, great, But I she needs

530
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 5: a guy who is solid and who he is, has

531
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 5: his own life, has his own career, and hopefully that's

532
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 5: he's truly okay with that and okay with her. Like

533
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,639
Speaker 5: he doesn't want to be famous, he really just wants

534
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,399
Speaker 5: to find a person, a partner who fits his life.

535
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 4: He wants a partner. Yep, there is I learned the

536
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:43,160
Speaker 4: hard way.

537
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 5: There's a difference between a person and a partner in

538
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 5: a relationship. And rooting for Taylor to find a partner

539
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 5: so she that's the type of guy she needs is

540
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 5: one way of saying that.

541
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 4: To find it on the Bachelor, yeah, I mean, don't

542
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,199
Speaker 4: you guys think that you came in for the for

543
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 4: genuine reason. Yeah, I mean you went on somebody else's

544
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 4: season at a time, and you were genuine about really

545
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,640
Speaker 4: connecting and finding someone. So it's absolutely possible.

546
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 5: I think women do it are more genuine than the

547
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:20,399
Speaker 5: men are usually for sure, but because with men they're competitive,

548
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 5: So I think part of being in the house with

549
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 5: other men it's about the competition. So it's it's absolutely

550
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 5: possible that I hate to be cheesy, it's just about

551
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 5: finding the right reasons. But Taylor's got to find the

552
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 5: guy who is solid in what he's doing. Now, See,

553
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 5: I should have known very quickly, because what did I say.

554
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 5: I picked a guy who had a career, who was older,

555
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,399
Speaker 5: who was solid in his life. My ex quit his

556
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 5: job one week after the show was over. It was there,

557
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 5: it was in.

558
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 4: Front of me.

559
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

560
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:54,120
Speaker 4: So and never and never did that again, never went

561
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:54,919
Speaker 4: back to that.

562
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 1: He never went back to the career he originally came

563
00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 1: in with.

564
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 5: He opened up a business us in that field, but

565
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 5: it took years for it to happen, and it wasn't

566
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,119
Speaker 5: the same as what he was doing before.

567
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:06,679
Speaker 4: So I think if.

568
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 5: Taylor finds a guy who slid in what they're doing

569
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 5: and then they quit it immediately, if they're quitting it

570
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:15,640
Speaker 5: coming to Utah and you know, established whatever it is there,

571
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,399
Speaker 5: if they're a doctor or lawyer or whatever, I don't know,

572
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 5: but that's that would be a red flag.

573
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

574
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm like referencing when we did the Bachelorette reunion

575
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 6: and like, you know, how we kind of broke off

576
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 6: into groups, and you know, some words that I feel

577
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 6: like were shared with Taylor at that moment was exactly

578
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 6: what you said.

579
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 3: I remember, like.

580
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 6: Me and Jojo, Joan, Trista and Dez, we were all

581
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 6: basically trying to find I guess similarities that all of

582
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 6: our like guys kind of shared, which were like more reserved.

583
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,400
Speaker 3: They were very secure and sawid in themselves.

584
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 6: They didn't feel like, you know, whatever we were doing

585
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,400
Speaker 6: was like a threat to you know, who they were.

586
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 6: And that was such a long and lengthy conversation that

587
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 6: I really hope Taylor like took in and digest it

588
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 6: and really like try to, like, I guess, put into

589
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 6: what makes sense in her life, because it's exactly what

590
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 6: you're saying.

591
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,399
Speaker 3: It's like when she meets these guys.

592
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:15,120
Speaker 6: Granted, yes, the guys should be there for the right reasons,

593
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 6: but ultimately there is like a level of responsibility that's

594
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 6: going to be on Taylor for her to be able

595
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 6: to like decipher and you know, discern between whatever traits

596
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 6: these guys are presenting or asking these right questions that

597
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 6: aren't just surface level questions to these guys who really

598
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 6: get down of like based off of how much they're

599
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 6: showing you granted on air, and as we know, life

600
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 6: really begins to once the cameras stop rolling.

601
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 3: Truly, that's like the true test of it all.

602
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 6: But I think there's like, you know, it really is

603
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 6: fifty to fifty. Like Taylor also has a role to

604
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 6: play in this of how much is she going to

605
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 6: be willing to kind of step out of her comfortability

606
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 6: of what she's already used to versus like what she needs.

607
00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 6: And I think that's like for a lot of bachelorettes,

608
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 6: it's very hard to do.

609
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 4: Can I be honest though? And I, yeah, see it's possible.

610
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 5: She just listed off all the people that are still

611
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 5: in successful including yourself, successful healthy.

612
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 4: Relationships for the right reasons. I have to be honest though.

613
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 4: I used to say too, the it really the relationship

614
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 4: starts when the cameras go off. Hm, The relationship really starts.

615
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 5: When the bubble bursts, right, because you're still in You're

616
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 5: still popular, you're still in the honeymoon phase. For for

617
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 5: me longer. Because I was the first black bachelorette, I thought, Okay,

618
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 5: we're moving to the same city. There are no cameras.

619
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 5: We didn't we didn't move to La like so many

620
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 5: people at my time were doing.

621
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 4: We're in Dallas. We're living a normal life. But we weren't.

622
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 5: There were so many events, there were trips that we

623
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 5: were going on. It wasn't a real life. So it

624
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 5: really starts when you're waking up in the morning and

625
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 5: you're going to your job or you're you know, like

626
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 5: you're living a more normal life. So I think that's

627
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 5: something that we have the conversation we have to have

628
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:16,719
Speaker 5: now with Taylor, it's different.

629
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 4: She's a reality DV star.

630
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 5: Her normal life is is the cameras picking back up,

631
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 5: so it's it's even harder for her.

632
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 4: But that is it's really when.

633
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 5: The you step out of the cloud, you know, like

634
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,239
Speaker 5: everything starts to be normal. There's aren't people following your

635
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 5: every move. They aren't people like you're living like how

636
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 5: many years are you? You're probably there now, you're probably.

637
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, We're like yeah, we're two years out, about to

638
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 6: be three in April.

639
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 3: So it's like it's very much it died down.

640
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, like it really is just about you and not

641
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 5: the show. Because I realized our conversations were about the

642
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 5: Bachelor and what was going on, and I was podcasting

643
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 5: and it was.

644
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 4: Still so such a big piece.

645
00:30:59,440 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 6: Uh.

646
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 5: I feel like when I really stepped away and we

647
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 5: didn't have The Bachelor.

648
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 4: It was kind of like that was so much of

649
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 4: our relationship. That was so much of it. So that's

650
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 4: really when you get down to it.

651
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that is well, just to share like something

652
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 1: that I really struggled with, like leaving just I only

653
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 1: had two happy couples before we broke up. But we

654
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 1: could not have a conversation that wasn't revolving around the Bachelor.

655
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 1: But I know that you famously in your fantasy suite

656
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 1: were having really difficult conversations. You inspired me when I

657
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 1: went into mine. Okay, we need to talk about politics,

658
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 1: we need to talk about finance. Do you think that's

659
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: something that she's gonna do?

660
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 2: No?

661
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 3: Sorry, do you like? I Actually.

662
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 5: I think there'll be conversations about parenthood.

663
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 3: You know.

664
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 4: I think there's going to be conversations about moving to

665
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 4: Utah maybe, but.

666
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, nothing further now. And Rachel's not wrong.

667
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 1: I'm like Rachel, I thought about you in my face. Literally,

668
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: I've been doing everything that I.

669
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 3: Need to do.

670
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 1: I was.

671
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 5: Going into that I thought I did and you could

672
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 5: only do so much right, Like, I really did ask

673
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 5: those questions.

674
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 4: I hope Taylor does. I don't think I think there

675
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 4: will be serious conversations.

676
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 5: But I don't think that it's like what's important to you, Right,

677
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 5: I've been given politics. I don't think politics are as important.

678
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 5: I don't think that's a deal breaker for her. Sure,

679
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 5: So you know, for her, maybe it's religion. Maybe it's

680
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 5: definitely going to be parenthood. It's definitely going to be

681
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 5: about moving to her city. And I'm glad you did

682
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 5: because you can only do so much. Right, Like, I

683
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 5: definitely ask questions about politics, but maybe I didn't ask

684
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 5: as in depth, you know, like I wasn't like, didn't

685
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 5: ask what you're registered.

686
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 4: I didn't ask, and I just like it just there

687
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 4: was like some values and morals and I didn't ask

688
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 4: how you vote.

689
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 5: I didn't ask different things like that. But yeah, that

690
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 5: was something that was important to me.

691
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 4: Maybe I should have said, like how well versed are

692
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 4: you on politics?

693
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 3: I asked, Journey did I did?

694
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 2: Oh?

695
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 3: I did?

696
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: Especially the time we came in, I'm like, we need

697
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: to know there's some important things we have to.

698
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 3: Go over here. Yeah.

699
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 4: I just think I said, are you a Republican?

700
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 5: Like I think that was like the like as I

701
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 5: was going down my list, it was just like that.

702
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 5: Also like the times were different. It's twenty seventeen. I

703
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 5: think it's you have to have different conversations now, like

704
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 5: things have changed so much. But yeah, I was like

705
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 5: credit scores and you know, I I think I would

706
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 5: have asked, this is so saying a lot, like something's

707
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 5: so petty right now, I'm working on a book, you guys,

708
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 5: But I think I would have said things like, you know,

709
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 5: how are you with money? How do you manage money?

710
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 5: I you know what I didn't ask do you want

711
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 5: to be famous? I didn't ask those type of questions.

712
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 5: Do you how do you see this relationship, you know,

713
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 5: with the fame that will come with this? You know,

714
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 5: do you think that? You know, like do you want

715
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 5: to capitalize on that? I didn't ask those type of questions.

716
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 5: Is it important to you that we monetize our relationship?

717
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 5: Like we were different when it came to that kind

718
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:24,359
Speaker 5: of stuff, Like I didn't think about that because that

719
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,359
Speaker 5: wasn't important to me. I just was kind of like

720
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 5: all the things you're not supposed to talk about. But

721
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 5: I wish I would have gone even more in depth,

722
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 5: so you know, to future bachelorettes, maybe those are questions

723
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 5: that you should ask, like how do you want to

724
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 5: move to a different seat, Like what's important to you?

725
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 4: Why?

726
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 5: Like maybe do are you a content creator? You know,

727
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 5: maybe you couldn't say that is social media important to you?

728
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 5: I just wish I would have thought of it in

729
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 5: that way.

730
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to ask too, when you had left

731
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 1: your season and started seeing these signs in ran what

732
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 1: was it that ultimately they made you like look over them?

733
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 4: Ooh, I'm gonna write about this.

734
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:06,479
Speaker 1: Anything you could share?

735
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 5: Oh no, no, no, it's a great question because I was

736
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 5: thirty two when I was I turned thirty two during

737
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 5: my season of The Bachelorette. I had a birthday when

738
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 5: we were filming, and I was at a place in

739
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 5: my life where like I grew up in a pragmatic

740
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 5: religious family from the South, so I was in a

741
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 5: culture where a lot of my friends were married, they

742
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 5: were having kids. I had put my career first. I

743
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 5: do not regret that by any means, but I was

744
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 5: like ready to get married and settled down, and I

745
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 5: wanted somebody who kind of mirrored that. And I felt,

746
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 5: even though so post The Bachelorette, like it's like why

747
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,839
Speaker 5: everybody talks about oh the Brian the Peter of it all.

748
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:55,879
Speaker 5: I didn't pick despite popular belief, I didn't pick him

749
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 5: because he wanted to. Like there were other reasons, but

750
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 5: that was a factor. I was always going to pick

751
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 5: somebody who also wanted to was ready for marriage. That

752
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 5: is a factor. It wasn't the only reason.

753
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:08,879
Speaker 1: But.

754
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 4: I would.

755
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 5: I felt a lot of societal pressure that I needed

756
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 5: to be married. Maybe I put some of it on myself.

757
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 5: I felt that just with what society tells you as

758
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 5: a woman, and I was ready to have kids, and.

759
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 4: So it was kind of like, Okay, Rachel, what are

760
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 4: you willing to accept?

761
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 5: Maybe he's not as ambitious that as he had advertised

762
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 5: himself to be. Maybe he's, you know, a little bit

763
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 5: more into the fame of the bachelor and the attention

764
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 5: that comes with that than you are. But I felt

765
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 5: like he was a good person. I felt like he

766
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 5: had good values. I liked the family that he was

767
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 5: like into his family, and so that was important to me,

768
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 5: and I thought I can get past, you know, if

769
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,800
Speaker 5: I'm going to be the breadwinner, Like that wasn't important

770
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:02,399
Speaker 5: to me that I needed somebody to make more money

771
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 5: than me. I just was kind of like, Okay, he

772
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 5: seems like a good person. I don't want to start over.

773
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,839
Speaker 5: I don't want to go back out there again. And

774
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 5: I just kind of settled and accepted some things. They

775
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 5: weren't the flags at that time, the time we got married,

776
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,879
Speaker 5: weren't as big for me to say I don't need

777
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:24,359
Speaker 5: to marry this person. That kind of came after once

778
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 5: we married and moved to LA.

779
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 3: It got worse.

780
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,280
Speaker 4: It got worse, it got bigger.

781
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,720
Speaker 5: But yeah, if I didn't put that pressure on myself,

782
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 5: I probably would not have gotten married. I just like

783
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 5: felt like I needed to make it happen. I didn't

784
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 5: want to fail. That was the other thing I felt

785
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 5: a lot of people were like, can she be loved?

786
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 4: She puts her career above everything. Work is so important

787
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 4: to her.

788
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,800
Speaker 5: And I didn't want people to say, here she is again,

789
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 5: she can't be loved or it's not important to her.

790
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 5: So that was another thing that I put on me.

791
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 5: I listened to a lot of that.

792
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: They did pay you, even in your exit interview, as

793
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 1: that as someone who she just can't find it, she

794
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 1: has everything. Then they present you with this opportunity. You

795
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: chose the person who you thought would be the one

796
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 1: at the end that would stand next to you and

797
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,479
Speaker 1: then it falls through. So yeah, I feel that because

798
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: that's how I felt when mine failed. It's like they

799
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 1: just created this entire show around me. Yeah, and now

800
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 1: I'm going to end it over something so small. I

801
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: get how you feel, did.

802
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 6: You, because I know you're mentioning like a lot of like, oh, okay,

803
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 6: you were, you know, your upbringing and a lot of

804
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 6: your friends were getting married, a lot of those factors.

805
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 6: But was there anything like that was super specific to

806
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:41,800
Speaker 6: the show itself of like, oh, I'm the first black bachelorette,

807
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 6: I you know, found my person on this show, Like

808
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 6: I have to go through with this. Like was that

809
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 6: like a really immense pressure for you to be like

810
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 6: I need to make this work.

811
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 5: I think it wasn't being the first black bachelorette, but yeah,

812
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 5: that it was the how public our relationship was that

813
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 5: I felt the pressure to see it through. It was

814
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 5: kind of like, I don't know if this is just

815
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 5: within women. It's like I don't want to quit. I've

816
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 5: put so much into this, and I'm typically private in

817
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 5: my relationships, and I put so much into this, and

818
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 5: I've put so much into it in such.

819
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 4: A public way, and well, no, maybe it was being.

820
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 5: The first black bachelorette, because I would get so many

821
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 5: messages that were like, yeah, thank you for saying you

822
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:27,399
Speaker 5: ripped up your list and you know you just went

823
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 5: for it, you know, thank you for you know, you know,

824
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 5: stepping outside of your box.

825
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 4: I look at you, and I'm so.

826
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 5: Happy that your relationship is so successful, and you give

827
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,320
Speaker 5: me hope. I got a lot of that, and yeah,

828
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 5: I felt like I was letting people down, and I

829
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 5: just was like, I'm a fixer, right, So I was like,

830
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 5: I can fix it, it'll be better. I can encourage

831
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 5: him in some of the ways that I think that

832
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 5: you know that I that were advertised to me, Like

833
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 5: I was like that, you know, like that they'll they'll

834
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 5: be better, Like we can work through this.

835
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 4: We're a partnership where a team, you know. I did

836
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 4: that in the relationship.

837
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 5: Before I was in I was in a long term

838
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 5: relationship before I came on the show, and I kind

839
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 5: of knew it was over, but I still was like

840
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 5: not that I knew this was over before marriage, but

841
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 5: I just was like, we'll work on it. I'll fix it.

842
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 5: I'll fix it. Because he's a good guy. I always

843
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 5: fell back on He's a good guy. He is not

844
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 5: a good guy. I just want to be honest. I

845
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 5: do not think that now, and that could have changed

846
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 5: with the dynamic of our relationship, the show, the fame,

847
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,879
Speaker 5: the desire for certain things. I think that there were

848
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:40,839
Speaker 5: a lot of underlying feelings that maybe turned him into maybe.

849
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,919
Speaker 5: My therapist says it was always there, but I keep

850
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 5: saying it maybe turned him into something. It brought him

851
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 5: something out. But I all that to say. I kept

852
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,800
Speaker 5: falling back on he's a good person. He's a good person.

853
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,359
Speaker 5: Why do I need to go back out there. If

854
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 5: I found somebody who was good, the other stuff might

855
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 5: be a little superficial. I was lying to myself a

856
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 5: little bit. But yes, I felt pressure that I was

857
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 5: letting people down, but I also did not want to fail.

858
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 4: I think the bigger thing was people are gonna.

859
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 5: Say she can't be loved, and that's sad, though men

860
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 5: don't necessarily do that. Have you ever heard any of

861
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 5: the bachelors say that it's are It's like kind of

862
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 5: the I don't want to say curse of a woman,

863
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 5: but I'm reading this book about the patriarchy, so I

864
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 5: say this till.

865
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 3: It's great.

866
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 5: I've been reading it for a while, but I think

867
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 5: it's just a part of the patriarchy and what it

868
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 5: tells us our roles are as women in society, and

869
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 5: I still felt held by those standards. I was thirty

870
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 5: four when I got married, so thirty two coming off

871
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 5: the show. It's like, there's certain things I wanted for

872
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,320
Speaker 5: myself and I felt like at that age I needed

873
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,760
Speaker 5: to have them. Could I have them with this person?

874
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 5: At the time, I felt like, yes, so I can

875
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 5: look past some of the other things to get some

876
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 5: of the other desires that.

877
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:01,280
Speaker 4: I want in life. You know that's sad.

878
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 5: I don't live that way now, but I want to

879
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 5: write about it because I feel like a lot of

880
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 5: us do.

881
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 4: We still don't. We don't want to, but we still

882
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 4: feel that pressure.

883
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 1: I mean, you have done, I mean so much before

884
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 1: the franchise. You came in so successful, and you have

885
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 1: just completely launched, I feel like, into a different league

886
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 1: and we all love you and support you. But do

887
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,839
Speaker 1: you think there was a point that he started to

888
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 1: like resent you a little bit?

889
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 4: Four hundred a hundred.

890
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 6: I think were there are conversations he like brought up

891
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 6: to you, like was that something he just like kept

892
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 6: to himself. Obviously, that's where resentment is. But did you

893
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 6: guys ever talk about that?

894
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 3: No?

895
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 5: But I think I had resentment too. I had my

896
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 5: own resentment for different reasons.

897
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 4: Not think I know.

898
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 5: I had resentment too, And like you said, you keep

899
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 5: it quiet. So I wasn't talking about what I was

900
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 5: resenting him for, just like I don't think he was not.

901
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 4: I don't think.

902
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 5: I always say I don't think I know. He wasn't

903
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 5: talking to me about what he was resenting me for.

904
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 5: But it definitely he was there because all of that

905
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 5: came out with the way our divorce went down. It

906
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 5: didn't have to be that way by any means. When

907
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 5: I was because I read about my divorce in page six.

908
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 5: I read about the details. I had no idea what

909
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 5: he had filed for or anything what he was requesting.

910
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 5: He texted me right before. He texted me right before,

911
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 5: like we had said, we'd said two days before.

912
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 4: We both I was like, I want a divorce. He

913
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 4: was like, yeah, me too, he said it. We said it.

914
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 4: So I was like, cool, we're on the same page.

915
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 4: It's gonna be amicable.

916
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 5: Six and then he he says no, he says he

917
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 5: did it, but he texted me and said, hey, I

918
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 5: just filed and then because he wanted to beat you

919
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 5: to it, uh for sure, and he said, hey, I

920
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,439
Speaker 5: just I didn't have an attorney, Like I truly was like.

921
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 4: Oh, it's gonna be amicable. It's gonna be so.

922
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 5: Great, where like we both we both want this, Like

923
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 5: that's like the best thing you know that you could

924
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 5: hope for if you're getting divorce, that it's it's a

925
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:03,800
Speaker 5: mutual if it comes to that. But yeah, I didn't.

926
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 5: He didn't serve me with papers. He texted me about it.

927
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 5: So I was like, oh my god, this is going

928
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 5: to hit the media. And then boom it hit and

929
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 5: so I was learning about it like everybody else was.

930
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 5: I didn't know how what he had filed it on there.

931
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 4: I didn't know what he was requesting. I didn't know.

932
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 4: I didn't know any of that.

933
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 5: But my first response, though I don't want to give

934
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 5: too much detail because I'm right about my first tell

935
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 5: I to tell my family.

936
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 4: Nobody knew. I hadn't said anything yet.

937
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 1: You didn't tell your family said anything?

938
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 2: Yeah?

939
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I didn't. Nobody knew. Nobody knew except for.

940
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 4: This is the only person the only person who knew.

941
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 5: Okay, there are two people who knew after we get

942
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 5: had the conversation because it was late at night. It

943
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:48,839
Speaker 5: was New Year's Eve. That's not a secret, so New

944
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 5: Year's Day is a holiday. The only people who knew

945
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 5: that we were getting a divorce was my wealth management

946
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 5: guy who's a friend, and.

947
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,320
Speaker 4: Justin Sylvester, who we left.

948
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 5: It was the only people I had said at the moment,

949
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 5: because I was just kind of like, it was like surreal,

950
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 5: but I was.

951
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 4: I was. I kind of was on a high.

952
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 5: Because I was like, for the first time in a

953
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 5: long time, I know exactly what I'm doing in my

954
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 5: relationship and we're on the same page. So all that

955
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 5: to say, the way that the divorce was handled lets

956
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 5: me know that there was a lot of resentment and

957
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 5: I was getting information from somebody where I learned that

958
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 5: there was a lot of resentment about the way our

959
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 5: relationship progressed. But again it was both for different reasons,

960
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:36,839
Speaker 5: but we both had it.

961
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 1: Did you find out through the article about the spousal

962
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 1: support that's where you found out?

963
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 3: You're kidding?

964
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, I found out because I wasn't served with papers.

965
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 5: It was just a text message and he was still

966
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 5: living with.

967
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:50,760
Speaker 3: Me, and you know, we oh my gosh.

968
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 5: So yeah, that morning we had a conversation and and

969
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 5: then he left for work and then I got a

970
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 5: text message like thirty minutes later, so.

971
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: He couldn't even tell you person, like literally you were

972
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: just literally just with him.

973
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 5: Wow. And it was like kind of like a sad

974
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:08,839
Speaker 5: It was like a quick conversation because I wasn't being

975
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 5: emotional yet about it because it was I kind of

976
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 5: just like went in overdrive. It was like, Okay, so

977
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 5: I gotta I'm gonna have to do this. I'm gonna

978
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:17,839
Speaker 5: have to do this. I'm gonna have to do this.

979
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 5: And I was just kind of like it was like

980
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 5: a to do list in my mind. And yeah, so

981
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 5: it I we it was kind of like that morning

982
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 5: it was like I think you think I don't care

983
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 5: because I haven't shown any emotion, and we kind of

984
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 5: it was like really brief, but like he gotta said something.

985
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 5: I said something, and then he left and sent a

986
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:39,800
Speaker 5: text message that said like hey.

987
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 4: I just filed. I was like, wait, what that was

988
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:45,280
Speaker 4: my I go what wow?

989
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 3: That was?

990
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:47,320
Speaker 4: And that was it.

991
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 5: So yeah, I didn't even stay home that night. I

992
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:57,320
Speaker 5: like went to Carry's. He was out of town because

993
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 5: the wedding The Bachelor, the Golden Bachelor wedding was going

994
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,320
Speaker 5: on at that time. But yeah, no, you filed.

995
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 4: My case.

996
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 5: Filing is number one for twenty twenty four, zero zero

997
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:08,839
Speaker 5: zero zero one, number one.

998
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:12,760
Speaker 4: It's so number one, Okay, you guys.

999
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 1: There is so much more to get into with Rachel,

1000
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:18,439
Speaker 1: so make sure you listen tomorrow for part two