1 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:12,319 Speaker 1: A beautiful twenty five year old girl goes jogging, then 2 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 1: she seemingly vanishes into thin air in the last hours, 3 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: breaking news in the case of Sydney Sutherland. The man 4 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:26,439 Speaker 1: who becomes a person of interest claims he was insane 5 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 1: that day. Really, Sydney Sutherland works at a medical center 6 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: in Newport, Arkansas. On the afternoon of August nineteenth, she 7 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 1: goes for a jog, something she does on a regular basis. 8 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: Sidney even has a regular route that she follows near 9 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 1: her home. A ups driver reports seeing Sydney during her 10 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: jog between two thirty and three pm that afternoon, but 11 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: that was the last time anyone reports seeing her. Later 12 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: that evening, a call comes into authorities. Sidney Sutherland's car, keys, 13 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 1: and other belongings are at her house, but Sydney is gone. 14 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: What happened to this twenty five year old girl? Sydney 15 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 1: Sutherland with me an all star panel to break it 16 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: down and put it back together again. First of all, 17 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:21,039 Speaker 1: Alexis Terresto joining us Crimeline dot com investigative reporter and 18 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 1: with lead Stories dot Com. Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, 19 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon starred a 20 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 1: brand Munia series Poisonous Liaisons on the True Crime Network. 21 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:39,400 Speaker 1: Death investigator Joseph Scott and Morgan Wendy Prosecutor Wendy Patrick, 22 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 1: California prosecutor, author of Red Flags, and you can find 23 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: her on Today with doctor Wendy on KCBQ. Doctor Karen 24 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 1: Start joining us, a psychologist joining us out of Manhattan, 25 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 1: and you can find her at Karen Stark dot com. 26 00:01:55,320 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: And special guests joining me. Maggie Sutherland. This is Sydney's 27 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 1: mother and you can find her at the Sydney Southerland 28 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 1: Memorial Scholarship at Arkansas State University. Thank you to everyone 29 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 1: being with us. Take a listen to this. Hey. We 30 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: received call yesterday afternoon late that Sydney Southerman was missing. 31 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: We started out and we got to scene and we've 32 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 1: been working pretty much all night. We did finally break 33 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 1: it down about two o'clock this morning just for safety 34 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 1: concerns because of the darkness. Got started back this morning. 35 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:42,800 Speaker 1: Between seven thirty and eight. We've had multiple agencies show 36 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 1: up and offer assistance. We've had Jonesboro PD, Truman PD, 37 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 1: Newport PD, Tuckerman State Police, US Marshall's FBI pretty much 38 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 1: the whole gamut, and they're currently on scene right now 39 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: helping out with that. We're looking at not only on 40 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 1: the ground, we've had air searches also from Survival Flight 41 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 1: out of Baseball. They brought two helicopters over this morning. 42 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 1: Our Sault State Police brought their chopper out last night 43 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:19,079 Speaker 1: and again this morning. They're currently flying grid and searches 44 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 1: now straight out to Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville 45 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 1: State University. You know, a lot of people get frustrated 46 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 1: when the search does not continue through the night with 47 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: lights and dogs. But the reality is everything searchers would 48 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: have done in the night would have to be repeated 49 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: the following morning. It's not feasible. And I know it's 50 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: frustrating and upsetting to everyone when the search is called 51 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: off for the night. Yeah, you're you're right, and it 52 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 1: is frustrating, Nancy, and when you but you have to 53 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 1: take in consideration what the endgame is here. You're trying 54 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 1: to find someone that is missing, and you know, if 55 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 1: you go out in the darkest of nights, and keep 56 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 1: in mind, this is a massive agricultural area. There is 57 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: no man made light out there. This is all illuminated 58 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 1: by by natural light. If there is any at that 59 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 1: particular time, you could walk right over an area and 60 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 1: miss significant clue. So it's better just to kind of retreat, 61 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: wait till daybreak and go back out again, or even 62 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 1: destroy the clues, because in this case we know that 63 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:31,839 Speaker 1: one of the clues that was very telling was actually 64 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 1: a bead, a bead of Sydney's bracelet too. Maggie Sutherland, 65 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 1: this is Sydney's mother, Maggie. I'm going to get to 66 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 1: the news, but I want to ask you about that 67 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: night when the search was called off because of darkness. 68 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 1: What was going through your mind when you heard the 69 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:53,720 Speaker 1: search was called off for the night. Well, it just 70 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 1: broke my heart. But the search was called off, but 71 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:01,600 Speaker 1: everyone did leave, like all the people help eating everything. 72 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 1: But my boys and their best friends they stayed up 73 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 1: all night by their self because everyone was gone, and 74 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 1: they went up and down that road. They walked up 75 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: and down that road. They stayed up all night long, 76 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 1: just trying, you know, every little place through where we 77 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:24,280 Speaker 1: were all searching. They stayed up all night, you know, 78 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 1: but all the other people had left. You know, when 79 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 1: I went through something very similar to this miss Sutherland. 80 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:36,599 Speaker 1: It seemed like day and night got twisted around. It 81 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:39,280 Speaker 1: seemed like there wasn't a day or a night because 82 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 1: you're up all night and all day in your body 83 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 1: doesn't seem to feel the fact that you've been up 84 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: days on end. Yes, yes, it was non ending for 85 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:56,920 Speaker 1: those days. It was no sleep, just running, you know, 86 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: looking and searching day night and now to think, to think. 87 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: The man under suspicion says he was insane that day, 88 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: that day of all days. Take a listen to our 89 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: friends at the Jackson County Sheriff's Sovice. This is the sheriff, 90 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:22,279 Speaker 1: David Lucas, describing a brand new development in the case 91 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: of missing Sydney Sutherland. We have the only thing we 92 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 1: know of right now is we have a confirmed sighting 93 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 1: of her at around between two thirty and three o'clock 94 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: yesterday afternoon in the area of Jackson County Road forty one, 95 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:42,720 Speaker 1: which is just north in kind of west of her residence. 96 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 1: She was on foot, out walking and jogging. We received 97 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 1: that information from a UPS driver this morning that saw her. 98 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: We're kind of concentrating on that general area because with 99 00:06:57,600 --> 00:06:59,719 Speaker 1: the phone pings that we've been getting from a ten 100 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:02,600 Speaker 1: to plus the information from the people that said they 101 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 1: saw her. It's pretty much going to be in that 102 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 1: general area. And that's where we're concentrating the most right now. 103 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: We're not ruling anything out, not ruling anything out. I'm 104 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: very curious about that day to you. Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor, 105 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 1: author of red Flags at Wendy Patrick PhD dot com. 106 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 1: She's also the star of Today with Doctor Wendy on KCBQ. Wendy, 107 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: I was looking at an incredible job done by Nucanan 108 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: police in Connecticut in the case Missing Mama five Jennifer Doulos. 109 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: They pieced together video from ring doorbells, from home security surveillance, 110 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 1: from traffic light video from this one really got me. 111 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: When a bus, a public bus, the doors opened, you 112 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 1: saw video of the husband driving by at that moment, 113 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: to a business of video at a car wash. They 114 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 1: put it all together and created a video montage timeline 115 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 1: leading up to my question, Doctor Wendy Patrick, and that 116 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: is in ups trucks. Isn't there video of some sort 117 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: or at least a navigational tool. Yeah, we hope that 118 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: there is, and even if there is, in practicality sometimes 119 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 1: they're not working, which is heartbreaking because as we know, 120 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 1: it is the first few hours and sometimes few days 121 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 1: that is the most significant in this kind of a search. 122 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 1: And that timeline, Nancy, that you describe that tells the 123 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 1: story the victim cannot and if we can weave that 124 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 1: together through whatever evidence circumstantially exists, whether it's something from 125 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:50,079 Speaker 1: a ups truck, whether it's a track, or whether it's 126 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 1: cell phone video, ring camera video that we all used nowadays, 127 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: if we can piece that timeline together, even right at 128 00:08:56,920 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 1: the beginning, not only can we hopefully recover evidence, but 129 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: we'll be able to tell the story of what ended 130 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 1: up happening. Crime stories with Nancy Grace. You know, I'm 131 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 1: talking about the disappearance of Sydney Sutherland, twenty five years old, 132 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 1: young girl, never been married, looking forward to life, great job, 133 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:33,199 Speaker 1: helping other people, looking forward to starting a family, real 134 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 1: fitness buff. Let me go to Maggie Sutherland, Sydney's mother. 135 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 1: That day you saw Sydney just before she went on 136 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 1: that job. Correct, what happened? She had come by my 137 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: house because she got up that morning and it went 138 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: to the gym which is in Jones World, which is 139 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 1: about thirty miles away, did a work out, come by 140 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:59,199 Speaker 1: my house, visit with me a few minutes, when got 141 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 1: the mail come and she was then going to drop 142 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 1: off something at her brothers because we just got back 143 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: from our vacation the night before, like around nine and ten, 144 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 1: so we just got back from Florida. Then she was 145 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 1: going to stop at the store. She was gonna get 146 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: something because she was gonna bake some cookies or brownies. 147 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:20,559 Speaker 1: She didn't know which one, So she went to the store, 148 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 1: got that, she went home. She did tell me when 149 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 1: she was at my house she's going to run, and 150 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: I said to me, well, how can you run? You know, 151 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 1: you just worked out, you know, just relaxed. Well at 152 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 1: the house she did. She went in, changed her clothes 153 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 1: because she wears different clothes because it's the county road, 154 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 1: thirt and everything. And on the couch right at the 155 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 1: edge is laying her bags where she bought the cookies 156 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 1: and the brownies to make. And she just went and 157 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 1: that was the I didn't here from her anymore. She 158 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: got in such with her boyfriend saying I'm born for 159 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: my run. Guys, take it to listen. Take us to 160 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: our friend hunter Hoglan Kate a RK with a break 161 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 1: that day, they recovered Sutherland's phone about a quarter mile 162 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 1: from her home earlier today. Now, I talked to friends 163 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 1: at the family who say this whole thing has them 164 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: searching for answers as the sun sets. The clock is ticket, 165 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:18,199 Speaker 1: We'll never stop searching. No one has seenor heard from 166 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 1: Sydney Sutherland in more than a day after she went 167 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:24,079 Speaker 1: running down this road, leaving behind Paine at the crossroads. 168 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 1: Were just really from eyes in the sky to eyes 169 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: on the ground, Felicia Drake is searching for the girls 170 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 1: she watched grow up. It was just devastiming. I just 171 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 1: thought about her mother and how, you know, how she felt, 172 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: and how it would be all home, you know, not 173 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 1: to be able to find your daughter. Everybody obviously everybody 174 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:48,319 Speaker 1: loves her. I mean you can tell about all the 175 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 1: people that's outlooking for her. Sutherland five three, brown eyes, 176 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 1: blonde hair, was wearing this when she vanished in the 177 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 1: middle of the afternoon. You're definitely gonna be looking over 178 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 1: your shoulder everywhere you go and not going anywhere alone anymore. 179 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 1: Volunteers working around the clock saying they'll never quit looking 180 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 1: until Sydney Sutherland finds the road that leads back home. 181 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 1: We're just more founder and then the case takes a turn. 182 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 1: Take a listen to Katie wood All Kai Region eight, 183 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: those close to Sydney confirming just a few minutes ago 184 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:24,079 Speaker 1: that the body discovered today was hers. This is coming 185 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: from Sydney's boyfriend's parents. They said the family was told 186 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 1: the body discovered today was Sydney's. They also said an 187 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:34,680 Speaker 1: arrest has been made in this case. Now. We are 188 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 1: working to get official confirmation from Sheriff David Lucas, but 189 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 1: he has not released new information since this afternoon when 190 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: that body was discovered and an arrest did go down. 191 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 1: Take a listen to Miss McCoy Fox sixteen Quick. Llewellyn 192 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 1: apparently confessed to investigators that he had killed her and 193 00:12:55,200 --> 00:13:00,120 Speaker 1: then led investigators to her body. Llewellyn was driving on 194 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:04,559 Speaker 1: County Road forty one, saw Sydney Sutherland walking and drove by. 195 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 1: Investigators say he turned around, abducted her, and put her 196 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 1: in the back of a pickup truck, and sexually assaulted her. 197 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 1: State Police saying that Llewellen then buried the body on 198 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 1: a farm. I asked the prosecutors if he plans on 199 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:25,599 Speaker 1: pursuing the death penalty. I think it's premature to declare 200 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: what the state's direction will be on that capital murder 201 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 1: only carries two punishments, that's life without and death, and 202 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 1: at this point both are still on the table. Both 203 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:41,599 Speaker 1: still on the table. Now, let me understand this. To 204 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:45,719 Speaker 1: Elosi's terrest, Chuck Crimeline dot Com investigative reporter alysis, thank 205 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:49,839 Speaker 1: you for being with us. He confessed, right, he confessed, 206 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 1: He sure did. He actually turned himself into the police. 207 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:56,719 Speaker 1: He went originally to say that he maybe had some information, 208 00:13:56,840 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 1: and then he confessed to the whole crime. His story 209 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 1: changed a little bit, you know, as the reporter just said. 210 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 1: He said he put her in his truck and took 211 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 1: her away. But then he changed his story too. He 212 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 1: drove by her, then he turned back around and was 213 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:13,679 Speaker 1: going to maybe check on her, but oops, he hit 214 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 1: her with his car. Not true, he plowed over her 215 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: with his car. Why in the world. To Sydney's mother, 216 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: Maggie Sutherland, when I passed a jogger, I don't turn 217 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 1: around to go check on them. And then to say, 218 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: and I've been on many I grew up on a 219 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 1: red dirt road I've been on many a gravel road 220 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 1: and dirt road and dusty road, but for me turning 221 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 1: my car around and going back the other way, I've 222 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 1: never seen the dust so thick. I couldn't see someone. 223 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 1: Never happened. And he's actually changing a story to say 224 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 1: when he turned around, it kicked up the dust, he 225 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: didn't see her and ran over her. Yes, he has 226 00:14:55,400 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 1: changed it. But where this area is is an overpass 227 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 1: and it has pavement that comes off of it, and 228 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 1: where he was at there was no dust. So when 229 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 1: he passed her, he hits the pavement, went over over past, 230 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 1: stayed ow of pavement, turned around, and he says he 231 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 1: came back and that the dust was in his eyes 232 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 1: and that he heard a thump. He gets out of 233 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 1: his truck and says said, neere, you're okay, and he 234 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 1: said she didn't respond, so we put him back the truck. 235 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 1: It's not true because it is all pavement and there's 236 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 1: a very questionable of what he's saying there. Miss Southerland. 237 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 1: I know that it hurts you when he comes out 238 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 1: with one story after the next after the next, but 239 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 1: just trust me on this. He needs to keep talking 240 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 1: because I could just see the prosecutor at trial with 241 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 1: a video of this paved road showing it to him 242 00:15:57,800 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 1: as he's on the stand. If he dares to take 243 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 1: this stand and say, now, what where was the dust 244 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 1: they got stirred up when you turned your truck around, 245 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 1: Because this is all pavement, and you never know with 246 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 1: a jury what little fact is going to infuriate them, 247 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 1: just the way that we are feeling today. So every 248 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 1: time he comes out with another state, but just thank 249 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 1: god that he is still talking if his lawyer can't 250 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 1: shut him up. And of course we are learning in 251 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: the last hours a major break with the guy the 252 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 1: target in this case, Quake Llewellen, a twenty eight year 253 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 1: old neighbor. Isn't this right, Miss Sutherland? They came to 254 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 1: the search headquarters and actually hugged Sidney's family as if 255 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 1: he were supporting them during the search, when all along 256 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 1: he is the one that ran her over dead. Yes, 257 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 1: he was there, his whole family was out there the 258 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 1: whole time. What is that, Karen start Karen Stark psychologists 259 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: joining me out of man Hattan today. Why not just 260 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 1: go home and lay low, just go away? Why does 261 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 1: he have to go to the Search HQ and go 262 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:15,120 Speaker 1: up and hug on Sydney's family, knowing full well not 263 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: only did he kill her, he raped her after he 264 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 1: ran over her and supposedly he said, well are you okay, Sydney, 265 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 1: But he didn't call an ambulance or the police to 266 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:30,399 Speaker 1: put her into his truck. So, Nancy, that is my 267 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 1: unusual behavior. It's wanting to be involved in the discovery 268 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: on getting some kind of thrill by actually being there, 269 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:45,120 Speaker 1: knowing that he committed the crime and pretending that he's 270 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 1: going to be helping the family, even after he gives 271 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:53,639 Speaker 1: a confession, further torturing the family. Take a listen to 272 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 1: our cut nineteen. This is from th eleven. The man 273 00:17:57,080 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 1: accused of killing Sydney Sutherland pleaded not guilty today. Quake 274 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:06,719 Speaker 1: Lwelyn faces several charges including capital murder, kidnapping, and rape. 275 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:10,640 Speaker 1: Lwhelen also asked for a Jewey trial. During today's hearing 276 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Guys, we are talking about 277 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:32,440 Speaker 1: the disappearance and death and sex assault of a beautiful 278 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:36,680 Speaker 1: young twenty five year old girl, her life in front 279 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:41,360 Speaker 1: of her wonderful job helping other people, a real fitness 280 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:45,400 Speaker 1: buff looking forward to starting her own family, someday, all 281 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: those dreams mowed down by a guy, a neighbor who 282 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 1: I believe had some sort of obsession on her throughout 283 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 1: high school, mows her down, loads her into his truck, 284 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 1: by his own admission, takes off her shorts, and rapes 285 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 1: twenty five year old Sydney as she is in an 286 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 1: altar state from being run over or dead. Then goes 287 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 1: in buries her body and a shallow grave. Then, to 288 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:23,680 Speaker 1: add insult to injury, declares he is insane straight out 289 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 1: to Alexis terres Chuck, everything he did was calculated and planned. 290 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 1: When he rode by her in his truck, he stopped 291 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:37,159 Speaker 1: and turned around and went back after her. That was planned. 292 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:42,360 Speaker 1: How could he say he's mentally insane? Exactly? And that's 293 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 1: the same as what his attorney, his defense attorney's come 294 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 1: on with. But what he also said at the time 295 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 1: was is that he put her body in the flatbed 296 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 1: of the truck so nobody could see it. That is 297 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:55,679 Speaker 1: not somebody who's insane. That's somebody who is scared and 298 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 1: knows that they have done the wrong thing. He then 299 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:02,159 Speaker 1: took her body away, you know, to a deserted area, 300 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 1: which he knows that area, because what he does is 301 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: he checks on the wells and the rice fields out there, 302 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 1: so he's familiar with this area. This isn't some of 303 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 1: them I got panick. Oh, No, I don't know where 304 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 1: I am. Oh, he knows the area, He knows where 305 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 1: people wouldn't be able to find her. Takes her almost 306 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 1: three miles away, which is I mean three miles is 307 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 1: really far you think, Oh, Sidney probably ran twenty miles 308 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:24,680 Speaker 1: a day because she was so fit. But it's really 309 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 1: far away for somebody to take somebody. So then so 310 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 1: he's hiding it. And he doesn't just leave her body 311 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: on the ground where somebody could find it, you know, 312 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: and help her. At the last minute, he buries it 313 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 1: with a shovel he has in his trunk. Is this 314 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 1: is not somebody who I happen to have right in 315 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 1: front of me. The Criminal Responsibility Evaluation report, and I 316 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:54,679 Speaker 1: am quoting from the doctor, doctor Lacy C. Willet. Okay, 317 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 1: And this is what the doctor says, mister mister Llewellen 318 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 1: referred for an evaluation specifically by reason of mental disease 319 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 1: or mental defect like capacity to appreciate the criminality of 320 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 1: his conduct or conform his conduct to the requirements of 321 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 1: the law at the time of the offense. What what 322 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 1: to you, Maggie Starthollon. This is Sydney's mother joining us. 323 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:29,920 Speaker 1: He couldn't appreciate the criminality of his offense when he 324 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 1: drove by your daughter, went back, ran over her, loaded 325 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 1: her into a truck bed, took her to a secretive location, 326 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:43,639 Speaker 1: pulled her, closed down, raped her and buried her body. 327 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:47,679 Speaker 1: He hid her. He knew it was wrong. What was 328 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:51,640 Speaker 1: your reaction when you heard Quake Llewellen was claiming he 329 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:55,200 Speaker 1: was crazy that day, of all days, I knew all 330 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:59,679 Speaker 1: alone that he was not. He was not, never was, 331 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:04,439 Speaker 1: and that he was being advised to say that because 332 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:07,439 Speaker 1: there was no way it. You know, as we just 333 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 1: said everything, he knew what he was doing. He certainly 334 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:13,880 Speaker 1: did know what he was doing. Have you heard from 335 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:17,199 Speaker 1: his family at all during this And no, we have 336 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:22,160 Speaker 1: not spoke any with their family. You know, we've kind 337 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 1: of been advised just to stay away from each other. Well, 338 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 1: you know what, they don't have to say anything because 339 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:33,359 Speaker 1: they said it all straight out to you. Alexis Terrestchuck 340 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:38,439 Speaker 1: Crime online dot Com investigative reporter. When the wife and 341 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 1: the mother were part of the call to police to 342 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:50,119 Speaker 1: tell them that his truck looked different after Sydney went missing. 343 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 1: Remember that alexis Yes, these two the women closest to him, 344 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 1: his wife and his mom, they reported him. They knew 345 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,679 Speaker 1: that something up and they saw, you know, and he 346 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 1: actually said that he tried to forget what he had done. 347 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,440 Speaker 1: He just went about his life. He went home, took 348 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:10,119 Speaker 1: a shower, he had dinner, he went to work for 349 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 1: the next day. But the mom and the wife knew. 350 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 1: They called the police. They said, this, there's something odd 351 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 1: with the truck. It looks different. We don't know what 352 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:19,640 Speaker 1: could have happened. And how could you know? Why would 353 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 1: you think, oh, he hit a person like you wouldn't 354 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,199 Speaker 1: A normal person wouldn't think that. But they knew that 355 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,679 Speaker 1: something was wrong and they reported him, and his wife 356 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:33,680 Speaker 1: has since filed for divorce. Well, I guess to get 357 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:37,639 Speaker 1: away from him and Jose's goot Morgan pursuant to Llewellen's 358 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,639 Speaker 1: wife and mom being part of learning to police that 359 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 1: his vehicle was there. What was found on the vehicle 360 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,880 Speaker 1: and why is that so significant? Joe Scott Morgan, Well, 361 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 1: there's front end damage to the vehicle, Nancy, and you know, 362 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 1: my apologies in advanced Sydney's Mama, she's on the line, 363 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 1: But I've got to say this. One of the things 364 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 1: that we do in the context of examinations, uh, in 365 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 1: the morgue is uh, you know, we we look for 366 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:08,880 Speaker 1: specific things. And one of the things we look for 367 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 1: or what are referred to as bumper marks, and those 368 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:15,919 Speaker 1: are marks that are left behind on the remains that 369 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 1: give you an indication that a strike has taken place, 370 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:22,639 Speaker 1: like a blunt force trauma that is very unique looking 371 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:26,159 Speaker 1: when it occurs as a result of a vehicle, and 372 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 1: we can actually measure that relative to save, for instance, 373 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 1: what referred to as bumper height on the vehicle, if 374 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:36,160 Speaker 1: we can come up with a vehicle where it marries 375 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 1: up and you knows, as you know, as investigations work, 376 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 1: you whittle this information down. And when you come to 377 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,880 Speaker 1: his truck and you notice that it's damaged, that's that's 378 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 1: a nail in his coffin from a from a prospratorial 379 00:24:48,920 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 1: Stan Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Wendy Patrick. I see 380 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 1: the questions the doctor is asking him. She's asking were 381 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:14,160 Speaker 1: you on any drugs or alcohol? Were you on any medication, 382 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 1: trying to rule out that his reasoning was clouded in 383 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: any way. Wendy Patrick, that's right. When you're looking at 384 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:26,200 Speaker 1: somebody that is apparently sober, it makes a big difference 385 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 1: if you're looking at strategy and sophistication. So when somebody 386 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 1: admits to criminal conduct as here, the criminal responsibility is 387 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 1: going to be an issue. Is there some sort of 388 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:40,639 Speaker 1: an insanity defense? Can you argue that there is some 389 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 1: kind of a mental disease or defect. But when you 390 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:45,640 Speaker 1: do that in a case like this, you're looking at 391 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:49,160 Speaker 1: literally both the crime and the cover up. And when 392 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 1: somebody is not impacted by its substances, by altered states 393 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 1: of consciousness, all the kinds of things that psychologists and 394 00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 1: psychiatrists look for, then you are left with somebody that 395 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 1: has the mens rea the intent, as we say, the 396 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 1: intent that will be married up with the actual conduct 397 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 1: in a case like this. To Maggie Sutherland, this is 398 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:14,200 Speaker 1: Sydney's mother, and you can find her at the Sydney 399 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 1: Sutherland Memorial Scholarship at Arkansas State University. If you go 400 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,880 Speaker 1: to crime online dot com. We have a link there 401 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: if you want to donate in honor of Sydney Sutherland. 402 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 1: When you first learned this guy that you've been aware, 403 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 1: I've kind of known your whole life, claimed he was crazy. 404 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 1: The one day he murders your daughter, What went through 405 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:44,880 Speaker 1: your mind? I was very mad, sad, hurt, everything, But 406 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 1: I knew but just because you could deal is kind 407 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:53,119 Speaker 1: of premeditated when someone turns around and goes back. It 408 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 1: just to this day gives me chills to even think 409 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 1: what he did to mother, because it was just very cruel, 410 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,360 Speaker 1: evil things. You know, he just didn't do one thing, 411 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 1: he just everything, And it will never be out of 412 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 1: my mind. Hurts deeply. Who told you that he basically 413 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,120 Speaker 1: failed in his bid to claim he was crazy at 414 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 1: the time. Who told you that it didn't work, that 415 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,680 Speaker 1: the doctor could see through it. I was just told 416 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 1: at the house. They brought me back to the house 417 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 1: and then they kind of had a family group there 418 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:39,640 Speaker 1: and just told us what they had found and what 419 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 1: at that point was being said. You know what, they 420 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,119 Speaker 1: would have to do a little more investigating. But no, 421 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,359 Speaker 1: I mean when you found out he was claiming he 422 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:53,240 Speaker 1: was crazy, and then you how did you find out 423 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 1: he was claiming insanity? Our prosecutors contacted us saying that 424 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 1: they were wanting to have a state evol okay, and 425 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:10,640 Speaker 1: who told you that? Basically he flunked from the report 426 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:16,159 Speaker 1: and our persecutors, so they called you and told you, yes, yes, 427 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 1: we just got it. It's really new. We just got it. Yes, yes, 428 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,920 Speaker 1: I have read every single word to you. Psychologists, care 429 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 1: and start joining us out of Manhattan. The doctor that 430 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:35,640 Speaker 1: did this forensic exam of his insanity at the Arkansas 431 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 1: State Hospital discusses how Llewellen engaged in a number of purposeful, 432 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 1: gold directed behaviors all the day of the offense, that 433 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 1: he checked wells that morning, ate lunch, then resumed checking 434 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 1: wells after the murder. He continued checking wells until about 435 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 1: six pm, then had dinner with his family, indicating he 436 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 1: was capable of acting in a purposeful manner at that 437 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 1: time and based on all the information, She says, Llewellen 438 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 1: was clearly saying, what do you make of it? Well, 439 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 1: it makes perfect sense. Think about it, Nancy. I mean, 440 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:25,479 Speaker 1: the whole point is, did he lack the capacity to 441 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 1: appreciate the criminality of his conduct? In other words, did 442 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,479 Speaker 1: he know the difference between right and wrong? Did he 443 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 1: understand that his actions were not okay that he was 444 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 1: going to get in trouble, and he did. He even 445 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 1: said that he put her in the tail part of 446 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 1: his truck to tell you because he was worried that 447 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 1: he would be in trouble. He didn't want to get 448 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 1: in trouble. You know, another thing strikes me care and Stark. 449 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 1: We've covered a lot of cases like this, for after 450 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 1: a brutal murder, the goes out to dinner. I've seen 451 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 1: so many big macs and double cheese burgers at Burger 452 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 1: King ordered after a murderer. I don't get how can 453 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 1: you sit down with your family in this case and 454 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 1: eat dinner when you know this girl's body is out 455 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 1: there in a shallow grave and her parents and her 456 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 1: fiancee are wondering where is Sydney and you're sitting there 457 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 1: having meat loaf and mashed potatoes. Are you kidding me? 458 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 1: That's why he's not telling the truth when he says 459 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 1: that he tried to make himself to get about it. 460 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 1: The truth, Nancy, is that he's a psychopath, so he 461 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 1: doesn't have a conscience. He doesn't really think about, Oh, 462 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 1: you know, this is terrible. How can I live with myself? No? 463 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 1: He could eat dinner, he could have big Max, he 464 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 1: could take a shower and act with his family like 465 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 1: everything is okay, because for him everything is okay. It's 466 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 1: the same as if he hid an animal in the road, 467 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 1: something that might upset all of us. No stage, Yes, guys, 468 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 1: take a listen to Amanda Hanson Kai Region eight. James says, 469 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 1: stress or a certain life event could play a part, 470 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,719 Speaker 1: and in any case, it's important to have a professional 471 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 1: make those determinations. Under the Archosaur law, you don't particularly 472 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 1: have to have a be crazy or not know what 473 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,720 Speaker 1: you're doing, or not able to control yourself to still 474 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 1: be able to use mental health evidence if it's appropriate 475 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 1: to your mental state and what happened, well inness that 476 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 1: to appear in front of a judge and jury February sixteenth, 477 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 1: James says, this motion will probably push that back. We're 478 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 1: learning in documents. Just release the psychologist. Lacy Willett says 479 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 1: lew And Llewellen did not manifest any symptoms of a 480 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 1: mental disease or defect, no history of mental health treatment, 481 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 1: no medication of any kind, no mention of any bizarre 482 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:02,800 Speaker 1: speech or conduct during his interview. He's facing multiple charges 483 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:06,960 Speaker 1: of capital murder, kidnap, and rape. Take a listen to 484 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 1: our friends at crime online dot com. Our Cut thirty two, 485 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 1: the married stepfather of three, says he believed Sutherland was 486 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,600 Speaker 1: dead after hitting her with his truck. He told a 487 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 1: state psychologists that he was scared and afraid he would 488 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 1: be in trouble for running over the nerves. Instead of 489 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 1: calling nine one for help, he put her body in 490 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 1: the tailgate of his truck. He intended to hide the body. 491 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 1: He admitted that after he killed Sutherland, he tried messing 492 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 1: with her corpse, then went home a dinner and just 493 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 1: tried to forget about it. Quote messing with her corpse, 494 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 1: Now you know what A lot of people just got. 495 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:52,240 Speaker 1: Morgan would consider that crazy in itself, that he would 496 00:32:53,120 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 1: dish robe and rape her body. The only silver line 497 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 1: running to that is that I hope she was unconscious 498 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,719 Speaker 1: at the time and did not realize what was happening. 499 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 1: I imagine that she was because of the injury she 500 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 1: sustained when she was run over. But his behavior belies 501 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 1: the street idea of the lay person's idea of crazy. 502 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:25,920 Speaker 1: Crazy is not knowing right from wrong at the time 503 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:30,400 Speaker 1: of the incident. When a jury. Here's that They're not 504 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,240 Speaker 1: gonna think he's crazy. They're gonna think he needs to 505 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 1: death the death penalty. Yeah, they're gonna think he's depraved 506 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:41,200 Speaker 1: and totally depraved. And and to take it even further, 507 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:46,240 Speaker 1: he has a complete absence of compassion at all, not 508 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 1: one sintilla. And you know, back to what Karen had 509 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,120 Speaker 1: said just a moment ago, this guy is not He's 510 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 1: not nuts, you know, he's not. He's calculating. He is 511 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:59,360 Speaker 1: a sociopath. He has no feeling whatsoever. And let me 512 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 1: if you like that one, let me tell you another one. 513 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 1: I think that he had actually planned this. This is 514 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 1: an isolated area and Nancy, I think that he had 515 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:11,479 Speaker 1: been watching as poor lady for a long long time. 516 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,000 Speaker 1: He knew what her patterns were, he knew when she 517 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,719 Speaker 1: was coming, when she was going, and he took this 518 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:20,640 Speaker 1: opportunity to prey on her, and he hunted her. That's 519 00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:24,400 Speaker 1: what I believe based upon his behaviors. And when he 520 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,400 Speaker 1: went to that you know, when he got together and 521 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,880 Speaker 1: he was hugging on people and telling everybody, you know, 522 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,960 Speaker 1: how sorry he was. He was there for the sole 523 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:33,440 Speaker 1: purpose to find out if he was going to get 524 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:37,360 Speaker 1: in trouble. He wanted more information because I think, based 525 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,240 Speaker 1: upon what we know relative to what he had done 526 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:44,040 Speaker 1: with poor Sydney's remains, I think if he had gotten 527 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:46,480 Speaker 1: one bit of information, he would have gone back out 528 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:50,960 Speaker 1: there and probably manipulated there even further or moved her again. 529 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,879 Speaker 1: He was seeking information, He just wanted to be free 530 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,040 Speaker 1: of it, to escape it and not pay the ultimate price, 531 00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:01,239 Speaker 1: which I think in this case he's going to Miss Sutherland, 532 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:06,040 Speaker 1: Sydney's mother with us. Miss Sutherland, I'm sure the prosecutor 533 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,279 Speaker 1: has told this, told you this, but let me tell you, 534 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:14,760 Speaker 1: there are going to be many, many in defense maneuverings 535 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,840 Speaker 1: that will just break your heart because they're not true. 536 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:23,200 Speaker 1: They are absolutely not true. We're based in fact. It's 537 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:27,320 Speaker 1: all twisting and turning to try to get him a 538 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 1: good deal. So please like this claim of insanity. It 539 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,960 Speaker 1: would have driven me crazy if I had been in 540 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:40,239 Speaker 1: your shoes knowing that it was a lie. But there's 541 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:44,400 Speaker 1: going to be this and much more before we get justice, 542 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,919 Speaker 1: Miss Sutherland. So you just got to be strong, Thank 543 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:52,480 Speaker 1: you very much, And absolutely that is how I feel daily. 544 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 1: Every day is a day by day situation of dealing 545 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:03,080 Speaker 1: with the Law of Sydney. We're our whole family. As 546 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:08,440 Speaker 1: you walk this lonely path that you have to walk alone, 547 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,719 Speaker 1: other people will try to comfort you, make you feel better, 548 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,480 Speaker 1: but you are walking and alone, as is your husband, 549 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:22,280 Speaker 1: as is each person in your family her boyfriend. Please 550 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,920 Speaker 1: know our prayers are with you, and I truly believe 551 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:31,480 Speaker 1: the justice system will get justice for you in Sydney. 552 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,800 Speaker 1: Really do. Thank you for being with us. Thank you, 553 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:39,600 Speaker 1: Thank you so very much. Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off, 554 00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:40,799 Speaker 1: goodbye friend,