1 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 1: On this episode of Newts World, we're going to have 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,879 Speaker 1: a chance to chat with I think one of the 3 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:13,120 Speaker 1: rising stars in the entire country and somebody who you're 4 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: going to hear a lot more from over the next 5 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: few years. I first noticed her when she was a 6 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:22,440 Speaker 1: freshman in Congress, and every time I've watched her career, 7 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:26,120 Speaker 1: I've just been really impressed with how smart, how hard working, 8 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: how eager to learn. I think how courageous she's been. 9 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: And that is Governor Christinom of South Dakota. Her handling 10 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 1: of the COVID nineteen pandemic made her widely known. But 11 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 1: the truth is she's been in politics for a good while. 12 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: She's smart, she's savvy, and I think you're going to 13 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: find that you both like her and that you look 14 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: forward to following her as she leads on a variety 15 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 1: of things. She combines multiple roles. She's a wife, a mother, 16 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:59,959 Speaker 1: lifelong rancher, farmer, and small business owner. In twenty ten, 17 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: after serving in the South Dakota Legislature for several years, 18 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 1: she was elected to serve as South Dakota's lone member 19 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:10,480 Speaker 1: of the US House. During her time in Congress, in 20 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: addition to many other successes. Governor nom helped pass the 21 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:17,680 Speaker 1: Tax Cut and Jobs Act, which put twenty four hundred 22 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:21,040 Speaker 1: dollars back in the pockets of the average South Dakota family. 23 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: In twenty eighteen, she had a platform of protecting South 24 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 1: Dakotas against tax increases, at government growth, federal intrusion, and 25 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:33,959 Speaker 1: government secrecy, and on that platform, she was elected as 26 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 1: South Dakota's first ever female governor. In addition to her 27 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: amazing political achievements, she often says that her greatest accomplishment 28 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: is raising her three children along with her husband, Brian. 29 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: So I'm pleased to welcome my guest Governor Christinell. 30 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 2: Thank you Newt. I appreciate you having me with you today, 31 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 2: and we'll enjoy talking about this country and what's special 32 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 2: about it and a little bit of what I think 33 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 2: we need to do in America to make sure that 34 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:14,639 Speaker 2: it is protected for our kids and your grandkids. 35 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: We know I mentioned earlier that Lisa and I saw 36 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:20,079 Speaker 1: you down at mar Largo. We listened to your talk 37 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: and we thought, you know, it was really very, very impressive. 38 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 1: And then recently you and doctor Ben Carson co authored 39 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 1: I think a very profound and important column which We're 40 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 1: going to post on our show page so people can 41 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 1: read it and see just how deeply committed you are 42 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: to America and to the American system. But before we 43 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:45,959 Speaker 1: get into politics and government, if you don't mind, tell 44 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:48,079 Speaker 1: me a little bit. You grew up on a ranchharp 45 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: that you grew up on a farm as an Easterner, 46 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 1: I will confess I'm not sure the difference. 47 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 2: Well, I actually grew up on kind of both. I 48 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:00,399 Speaker 2: live in South Dakota and always have. Farms are where 49 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 2: you generally grow crops, and ranches are where you raise cattle, horses, 50 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 2: and livestock. So we did both of those growing up, 51 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 2: and I would say no, from the time I was 52 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 2: five or six years old, I knew that that was 53 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 2: the lifestyle I always wanted to have. I wanted to 54 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 2: grow up and farm and ranch with my dad. He 55 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 2: was really my best friend. So when I got out 56 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:24,640 Speaker 2: of high school went to college, you know, that was 57 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 2: my goal, was to come back to the operation and 58 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 2: work alongside him and our family business that had been 59 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 2: in our family for generations. Which changed everything was when 60 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 2: I was going to college, my dad was killed in 61 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 2: an accident on our farm. It was March tenth and 62 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 2: it was one of those years that we had fluctuating temperatures. 63 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 2: He went into a grain bend to empty it out 64 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 2: and fell through the crust of mold on the top 65 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 2: and corn buried him. So it was tragic for us, 66 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 2: and for me in particular. I ended up quitting college 67 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 2: and come back and taking over the operation, which was 68 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 2: one of the larger farming operations in the state of 69 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 2: South Dakota. At the time. We were farming about ten thousand acres. 70 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 2: The day he was killed, he had rented another twenty 71 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 2: five hundred acres. He was a go getter. We had 72 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 2: a large cow calf operation, raised quarter horses too, and 73 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 2: it was a lot for a twenty two year old 74 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 2: to take over running all those different businesses and having 75 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 2: your dad gone. He was forty nine years old at 76 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:30,599 Speaker 2: the time, and it was a little overwhelming, but we 77 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 2: got with death taxes. Several months later, I got a 78 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 2: bill in the mail from the IRS that said we 79 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 2: owed death taxes. And I could not believe that the 80 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 2: federal government had a law that when a family had 81 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 2: a tragedy that all of a sudden we owed the 82 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:50,039 Speaker 2: federal government hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars, 83 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 2: and like most small businesses or farms and ranches at 84 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 2: the time, we had land and machinery and cattle, but 85 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 2: we didn't have any money in the bank, and I 86 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 2: could not figure out how he was going to pay 87 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 2: those taxes. So people ask how I got involved in 88 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 2: government and politics. It was because of that I decided 89 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 2: that we needed more normal, everyday people running businesses to 90 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 2: show up and be involved in our policy to really 91 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 2: make it work for them to be successful. 92 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: Even in your busy career now as governor, Are you 93 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: still running the farm? 94 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 2: No. When I got elected to Congress, I got bought 95 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 2: out of the operation. What happened was, several years after 96 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 2: my dad passed away, my older brother moved home from Oklahoma, 97 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 2: my sister moved home from Georgia. My younger brother was 98 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:38,280 Speaker 2: in high school when my dad was killed, and so 99 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 2: he had graduated, and then we farmed and ranched as 100 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:45,279 Speaker 2: a partnership for many, many years. I was the general manager, 101 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 2: but our four families worked there together, side by side 102 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 2: every single day. So when I got elected to Congress, 103 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 2: I'm the very first person in my family to ever 104 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 2: get involved in politics. We just didn't really do that, 105 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:02,159 Speaker 2: and when I got elected it was very strange. But 106 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 2: I also decided that if I wasn't going to be 107 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 2: on the operation every day, that I wouldn't be involved 108 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 2: in the business anymore. So I still have equity and land, 109 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 2: but my brothers bought me out of the actual operating 110 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 2: business of the farming operation because I was obviously spending 111 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 2: my time working on policy in DC. But I still 112 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 2: live on one of the ranches with my husband when 113 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:27,840 Speaker 2: we're not in peer with the state government, and it's 114 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 2: still a huge part of our way of life. 115 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 1: So do you think that your children will grow up 116 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:36,799 Speaker 1: wanting to live on a farm or a ranch. 117 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 2: Oh, definitely. My oldest daughter is an appraiser. She owns 118 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 2: her own company. But definitely we're still raising horses. We 119 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 2: have buffalo because we still live on the ranch. We 120 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 2: have some livestock. It's not very big right now, but 121 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:54,040 Speaker 2: my son in law grew up on a large cattle 122 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 2: operation and that's where our heart is. My other two 123 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:59,839 Speaker 2: children will come back to South Dakota too. It's just 124 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 2: a part of our way of life. And of course, 125 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:06,600 Speaker 2: my brothers, still being involved in farming, were incredibly involved 126 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 2: with them on a day to day basis, keeping that 127 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 2: operation going and just helping them where we can. 128 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: I have to ask a campus, is how many buffalo 129 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: are you running? 130 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 2: Oh, we only have a handful right now. In fact, 131 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 2: I just bought them this year because I thought it'd 132 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 2: be fun. My husband was surprised when I told him 133 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 2: that evening that you're not going to believe what I 134 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 2: did today. But I bought a few buffalo and I 135 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 2: wanted to start building our buffalo herd. When I was 136 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 2: a kid, my dad had a buffalo herd and I 137 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 2: loved it. And so in South Dakota we have Custer 138 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 2: State Park, which is the most beautiful state park, I 139 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 2: believe in the country, and we have one of the 140 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 2: original bison herds in the nation that helped bring buffalo 141 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 2: back from extinction. And so that's where I bought those 142 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 2: buffalo from, was from the annual auction. 143 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 1: The state park has enough buffalo, but there have been 144 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 1: a lot of movies made there at the park in 145 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 1: order to have that sense of a real buffalo herd. 146 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 2: Looks like absolutely and we have a round up every 147 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 2: fall that is the Governor's Buffalo Roundup, and we bring 148 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 2: them into the corrals. We have about twenty thousand people 149 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 2: that come and watch and participate in the roundup, and 150 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 2: then we have an auction that we sell some breeding 151 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 2: stock from and then that gives us the revenue we 152 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 2: need to maintain the herd each year. So it's very 153 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 2: much a Western wivelife from. 154 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 1: A standpoint of the rancher. Are buffalo different to run 155 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: than cattle? Are? 156 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 2: Incredibly Yeah, you will never take the wildness in aggressiveness 157 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 2: out of buffalo. They are much more unpredictable. They run 158 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 2: faster than horses, so you have to have much more 159 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 2: secure fencing and equipment to work with them, and you 160 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 2: definitely do not get up close and friendly with your buffalo. 161 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: There's a wonderful short video at Yellowstone at the visitors 162 00:08:56,440 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 1: center where they say you have to remember that these 163 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 1: are wild animals, and they show this tourist getting tossed 164 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: by the buffalo and they just say, we keep telling 165 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 1: people don't do this. 166 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 2: Yes, well, and I think people a lot of times 167 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 2: think that they can go up and approach them because 168 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 2: they look so peaceful, But they're extremely unpredictable animals even 169 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 2: if they're on a ranch, and people would consider them 170 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 2: a part of their business operation. You will never get 171 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 2: a buffalo to be a pet of yours because they 172 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 2: just have a natural Western wildness to them that is inbread. 173 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 1: And I think in a way, if you come out 174 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 1: of a life where you're dealing with the natural world, 175 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:44,199 Speaker 1: it teaches you some core lessons about reality that all 176 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 1: too often city dwellers don't quite get. You just made 177 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:50,959 Speaker 1: a good point, which is you are kidding yourself if 178 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:53,959 Speaker 1: you think you're about to have a pet buffalo, and 179 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 1: the consequence can be a disaster. 180 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:59,319 Speaker 2: Yeah. And for me, my kids and grandkids will always 181 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 2: have livestock. They just will because of what it teaches them. 182 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:07,439 Speaker 2: They learned to be responsible for another living being. They 183 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 2: learned that they have chores and work to do every 184 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 2: single day. It also teaches them to be problem solvers. 185 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 2: Some of our best memories as kids was rounding up cattle, 186 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:20,680 Speaker 2: working them, vaccinating them, training horses, trying to get inside 187 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 2: their head, figure out what they are thinking and how 188 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 2: we can get them to work with us and be 189 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 2: a partnership. It's very much a way that I think 190 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 2: I learned how to approach problems in life and to 191 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 2: work with individuals is because of what I learned from 192 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 2: growing up on a ranch and working with animals and 193 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 2: livestock and being responsible. I never got to take a 194 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 2: day off because they always needed to be fed and 195 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 2: cared for, and it was my responsibility. 196 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 1: So have you been able to take those kind of 197 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 1: lessons and bring them into public service. 198 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:57,839 Speaker 2: I have. Although it's interesting, I feel like I spent 199 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 2: a lot of time talking about raising kids too, just 200 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 2: because one of the best gifts that my parents ever 201 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 2: gave me was giving me impossible things to do when 202 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 2: we were kids. My dad never taught me to drive 203 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 2: a semi. He just when I was twelve years old, 204 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 2: got it going down the road and jumped out the 205 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 2: door and said take it home and make your corners wide. 206 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 2: You know, we drove ourselves to school when we were 207 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 2: eight nine years old and it was several miles away. 208 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 2: We had to work with cattle from the time we 209 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 2: were young, and it was you know, you go feed them, 210 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 2: take care of those calves, and do it and figure 211 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 2: it out. And it wasn't an option to come back 212 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 2: to dad and say that you failed. He gave you 213 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 2: a job, he expected you to finish it, and you 214 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 2: had to figure it out. And I think that is 215 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 2: one of the best gifts that they ever gave us 216 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 2: as children was giving us those impossible things to do, 217 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 2: because it caused us to figure out a way to 218 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 2: get it done, solved the problem. But then also when 219 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 2: we did accomplish it, it gave me confidence. It taught 220 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 2: me that I can figure things out and that I 221 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 2: can tackle things that seem very very difficult and have 222 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 2: the confidence to really take on even bigger challenges. So 223 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 2: I do work a lot of that into public service, 224 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 2: and I think I talk about it a lot, but 225 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 2: we also implement it and show it even with working 226 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 2: with my employees that we're not here to live in 227 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 2: an instant gratification society. We're here to determine what decisions 228 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:31,319 Speaker 2: we can make that creates a stronger America, a stronger family, 229 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:35,439 Speaker 2: stronger people twenty thirty years from now. So I would 230 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 2: never want to be guilty of making a decision it's 231 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 2: beneficial for me, as much as I would want to 232 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 2: focus on what is the consequences of this decision twenty 233 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:45,719 Speaker 2: years from now? 234 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 1: Would you take that kind of a long view that 235 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:50,079 Speaker 1: makes you different than most politicians. 236 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 2: It does, and I think that some people that have 237 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 2: been involved with me in my political life would say 238 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 2: that that's probably been to my political detriment. You know, 239 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 2: I took on some fights that probably were not going 240 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 2: to be the popular thing at that point in time, 241 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 2: but I thought it was important because of the consequences 242 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 2: of it. I was very reluctant to legalize hemp in 243 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 2: the state of South Dakota and argued against it for 244 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 2: quite some time because I can't enforce the difference between 245 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 2: hemp and marijuana, and I can't tell the difference out 246 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 2: there my drug dogs, can't my law enforcement officers, And 247 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 2: you know, we had that debate for a long period 248 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 2: of time and people would tell me, why is she 249 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 2: against this? But it was because of the consequences and 250 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 2: what it did to public safety and people that are 251 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 2: out there on the street dealing with it. So there's 252 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 2: just different things that I've tried to look at, not 253 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 2: just what politically works for today, but if we make 254 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 2: this decision, how do I deal with it five, ten, 255 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 2: fifteen years down the road, and what does it open 256 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 2: the door to. 257 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:15,319 Speaker 1: Now. One of the things that you've done as a 258 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:18,320 Speaker 1: huge long term consequence is you got right in the 259 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 1: middle of the fight over the keystone Excel pipeline and 260 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 1: the decisions of the Biden administration. Was that a big 261 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 1: challenge or was it just so obvious to you that 262 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: there was no alternative. 263 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 2: Well, it's a big challenge because it's a little controversial 264 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 2: here in South Dakota. I've got nine Native American tribes 265 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 2: that are not in favor of the pipeline. They believe 266 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 2: that it's not the right approach for moving our natural resources, 267 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 2: which every data point disagrees with that it is much 268 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 2: better policy on protecting the environment. It's safer to move 269 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 2: this oil through pipelines than it is over the roads 270 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 2: in rail like we do today. It's much safer for 271 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 2: our communities people to move it through the pipeline as well, 272 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 2: and it's much more efficient and would give us the 273 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 2: stability that we need in the energy sector, which our 274 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 2: state is highly reliant on. But because there's some division 275 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 2: in the state of South Dakota over it, it was 276 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 2: a little bit risky too. And also I had watched 277 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 2: the fights that we'd had over the build in North Dakota. 278 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 2: If you remember that new to the Dapple pipeline that 279 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 2: cost the state of South Dakota hundreds of millions of 280 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 2: dollars in North Dakota with law enforcement costs and what 281 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 2: those protests did. When I first got elected as governor, 282 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 2: I brought forward two bills that would give us the 283 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 2: opportunity in the state to assess the pipeline company for 284 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 2: those costs and save our taxpayers the court costs, the 285 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 2: law enforcement costs, and the safety costs that North Dakota 286 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 2: had to deal with. So even just me as soon 287 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 2: as I became governor bringing forward those two bills that 288 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 2: saved the state of South Dakota potentially hundreds of millions 289 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 2: of dollars by having the pipeline company pay those costs 290 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 2: if they were to build it through this date, which 291 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 2: you know, Trans Canada supported TC Energy supported my bills 292 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 2: because they recognized that they had a governor that would 293 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 2: partner with them to build a pipeline safely and make 294 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 2: sure that any violent protests that broke out would be 295 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 2: adequately taken care of. So I was in this fight 296 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 2: for years even when I was in Congress, but then 297 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 2: proactively trying to protect tax payers from any costs with 298 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 2: building pipelines to make sure that we had some certainty 299 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 2: in our energy sector. 300 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 1: So as I understand it, This is clearly not a 301 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: topic where I'm an expert. But the actual result if 302 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 1: you don't build the pipeline and you end up shipping 303 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 1: the oil by rail and by truck, is you actually 304 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: increase the risk of spills, and you raise the price, 305 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 1: and you actually increased total pollution. 306 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 2: That is correct. Yes, there's a much greater chance of spills. 307 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 2: There's a much greater chance of accidents. Any of these 308 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 2: rail lines and roads go through small towns, and we've 309 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:12,639 Speaker 2: had incidences in the past where they've had accidents that 310 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 2: have been extremely dangerous for the people that live there. 311 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 2: And it costs much more, obviously, and it's a wear 312 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:20,640 Speaker 2: and tear on our roads and bridges. So to put 313 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 2: it through the pipeline not only protected costs and made 314 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 2: us more efficient, it also protected our environment and it 315 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:30,920 Speaker 2: protected the people that live here. What President Biden did 316 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 2: on day one by canceling those permits was the wrong 317 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 2: decision on every level, the wrong decision on policy, energy, environment, 318 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:40,880 Speaker 2: and safety. 319 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 1: I'm curious, what do you think motivates people to be 320 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 1: in favor of a policy. I mean, I've always thought 321 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:50,879 Speaker 1: that some of the people who opposed the pipeline actually 322 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 1: had interest to trucks in railroads. 323 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:57,160 Speaker 2: That's possible, though they haven't been the vocal opponents for us. 324 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:00,919 Speaker 2: It's our Native American tribes and they have opposed it 325 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 2: based on Mother Earth and protecting their land and water. 326 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 2: But all of the research and data and facts around 327 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:12,159 Speaker 2: it show that it obviously would be safer to have 328 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 2: it in the pipeline than it would especially with the 329 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:17,399 Speaker 2: new technologies that come out now with these pipelines and 330 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:20,919 Speaker 2: the way that they're built. They're just incredibly advanced in 331 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:25,200 Speaker 2: how they put in protection systems to stop skills almost immediately. 332 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 2: But beyond that, those that are opposed, I think are 333 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 2: those that honestly are just opposed to the oil and 334 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:36,199 Speaker 2: gas industry. They would be those on the left that 335 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 2: say they're for items and policies like the Green New Deal, 336 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 2: and that's just not workable for the average everyday family, 337 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 2: especially in a state like South Dakota, where it is 338 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 2: incredibly cold in the winter, it is incredibly hot in 339 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 2: the summer, and it is a long ways to drive anywhere, 340 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 2: so we are heavily energy dependent, and the reality for 341 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 2: most people here in South Dakota is that they need 342 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:00,679 Speaker 2: pipelines like this to make their way of life, something 343 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 2: that they can enjoy and keep more dollars in their pockets. 344 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 1: Are you being to see gasoline prices go up? 345 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 2: Yes, our gasoline prices since President Biden's been in office 346 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:12,639 Speaker 2: had gone up about thirty percent. 347 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 1: I just try to call him that this is sort 348 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 1: of the hidden Biden tax. When he tells you it's 349 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:21,439 Speaker 1: only going to hit people about four hundred thousand dollars, 350 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:23,639 Speaker 1: you ought to go to your local gas station and 351 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 1: watch who's filling up their car, and in fact, his 352 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 1: policies are leading them to pay the hidden tax of inflation. 353 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 2: Well and for us too, newt We've got some big 354 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 2: populated areas of South Dakota, but much of our state 355 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 2: it's thirty miles to go to the grocery store. People 356 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:42,679 Speaker 2: drive forty miles to go to work every day. So 357 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 2: you know, until there's a real option for those individuals, 358 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:48,680 Speaker 2: it is just direct money that they have to spend 359 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 2: just to take care of their families. And those are 360 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 2: the people that aren't making a lot of money anyways, 361 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 2: and it's literally going to be a decision between whether 362 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 2: to fill their gas tank up or to be able 363 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 2: to go out to eat once a week. Or buy 364 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 2: their kids those new shoes that they need to play basketball. 365 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 2: That's the decisions that are happening, and it's directly hurting 366 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:15,159 Speaker 2: those middle class families, lower income families that are going 367 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 2: to struggle in that kind of an environment. 368 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 1: And when I was a child, my dad was a 369 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 1: stationed at Fort Riley, Kansas, and coming out of the 370 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 1: heavily populated East, the idea that somebody might go fifty 371 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 1: miles for a Friday night dinner. Yah, it took a 372 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 1: little bit of adjusting. 373 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 2: Then that's right, well, and we need to remember that 374 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:38,160 Speaker 2: there's value to having us here. We grow your food. 375 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 2: We are the backbone of this country that gets up 376 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:45,880 Speaker 2: every day and make sure that people have a beautiful 377 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 2: place to come visit. But also that they were putting 378 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 2: food on your table and building the manufacturing products that 379 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:55,120 Speaker 2: show up on your store shelves. And that's what we 380 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 2: need in order for our country to be stable and 381 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:01,200 Speaker 2: to have a stable economy is to have every single 382 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:04,639 Speaker 2: part of it be producing and thriving. I tell folks 383 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 2: all the time that when you put all your eggs 384 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 2: in one basket in a couple of parts of the 385 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,719 Speaker 2: country is when you get instability. And through the two 386 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 2: thousand and eight housing crisis and some of the recessions 387 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 2: that we've seen, it's been Middle America. It's been the 388 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 2: Midwest that has stabilized the national economy when so many 389 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:23,879 Speaker 2: of the other areas were struggling. And it was because 390 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:27,920 Speaker 2: of our conservative government and decision making that kept our 391 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 2: economy going better than it did in so many of 392 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 2: those other blue states. 393 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:36,359 Speaker 1: You know, one of the most interesting side stories that 394 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 1: has developed out of the Biden administration, where you were 395 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:41,159 Speaker 1: right in the middle of it, and I think it 396 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:46,439 Speaker 1: really drew tension to you, was this decision by the 397 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 1: National Park Service to block you from holding a July 398 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 1: fourth fireworks celebration at Mount Rushmore. Do you have any 399 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 1: idea what they're thinking is other than they're just nuts. 400 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 2: Well, I think they specifically blocked us from holding that 401 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 2: celebration to be punitive and to be political. We for 402 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:11,439 Speaker 2: years hosted fireworks at Mount Rushmore on July third, the 403 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 2: night before July fourth, so that when everybody woke up 404 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 2: on Independence Day on all their TV screens, on all 405 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,680 Speaker 2: of their media outlets, they could see us celebrating our 406 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:27,400 Speaker 2: founding fathers on that monument in South Dakota and being 407 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:30,639 Speaker 2: proud of being American. We did that for many years, 408 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 2: but we lost those fireworks when President Obama came into office. 409 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:38,119 Speaker 2: He took away our ability to host them. So one 410 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 2: of the things that I asked President Trump even before 411 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,919 Speaker 2: I was sworn in as governor, was to help me 412 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 2: get back our fireworks celebration. It was our opportunity to 413 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 2: showcase South Dakota, showcase Mount Rushmore, and to really be 414 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 2: patriots and celebrate independence. President Trump became extremely dedicated to 415 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,359 Speaker 2: helping do that and we did, and I think most 416 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,920 Speaker 2: everybody in the country had an opportunity to see part 417 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 2: of that celebration last year. When we had agreed to 418 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:13,199 Speaker 2: do that celebration, we had signed memorandums of agreement to 419 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:17,440 Speaker 2: continue hosting that celebration every single year. We went through 420 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:22,479 Speaker 2: the environmental permitting processes, We had agreements with Forest Service, 421 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:26,360 Speaker 2: National Park Service, Wildland Fire on a go no go 422 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:30,160 Speaker 2: checklist to deal with potential fire hazards. We had local 423 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:35,199 Speaker 2: leaders sign on for facilitating getting in and out, and 424 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:40,239 Speaker 2: had gone through every single logistical negotiation and gotten that 425 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:44,200 Speaker 2: done so these celebrations could continue to happen. But when 426 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 2: President Biden came into office and denied us our permits 427 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 2: that we were to be allocated according to that agreement. 428 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,119 Speaker 2: There was no reason given, And I guess that's my 429 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 2: biggest problem is that if he would have cited environmental concerns, 430 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 2: if he would have cited fire dangers, you know, even 431 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,440 Speaker 2: public health issues, which last year we hosted it during 432 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 2: the pandemic and did not have an event that spread 433 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 2: the virus. We allowed people to come and to be 434 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 2: a part of it. So that was the thing that 435 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 2: is challenging for me is that President Biden took it 436 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:24,159 Speaker 2: away with no reason other than, we believe, just to 437 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 2: be political and to not celebrate America. 438 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 1: I read yesterday that the Defense Department has refused to 439 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:34,880 Speaker 1: issue a permit to Rolling Thunder, which is the annual 440 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:40,159 Speaker 1: Memorial Day weekend. People arrive on motorcycles, huge numbers, and 441 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 1: really in celebration of our wounded veterans and as a 442 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 1: very very pro American thing. All of a sudden I 443 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,880 Speaker 1: found out that they had blocked it from using the 444 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 1: Pentagon parking lot, which is empty on Memorial Day weekend. 445 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 1: And it just struck me that very parallel to what 446 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,479 Speaker 1: you're experiencing, they go out of their way to avoid 447 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:00,919 Speaker 1: celebrating America. 448 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,440 Speaker 2: They do, and I had not heard that. That makes 449 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 2: me sad because our country needs to unify at this 450 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 2: point in time. We need an opportunity to come together 451 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:15,120 Speaker 2: and be proud of our background, our history and talk 452 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,399 Speaker 2: about it. It's through events like this that our kids 453 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 2: see it on TV, they hear about it in the news, 454 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,879 Speaker 2: and then we have conversations that educate them on why 455 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 2: they're still free and why they have liberties that have 456 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 2: been defended and fought for and protected for so many years. 457 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 2: So that's what is the sad. Consequence of this is 458 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 2: that I'm obviously suing the Biden administration to get my 459 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 2: fireworks back. But what's interesting is President Biden was the 460 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 2: one himself who stood up on national TV and said 461 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 2: we could celebrate our freedom from this virus by Independence Day. 462 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 2: So he declared that himself that by the time we 463 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 2: get to July fourth, we should be celebrating our independence 464 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,160 Speaker 2: from the virus. What better way than to do that, 465 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 2: Mount Rushmore celebrating our America's independence and freedom and birthday. 466 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 1: So this whole notion of not celebrating America, the whole 467 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 1: effort by the left to rewrite American history, something which 468 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:35,919 Speaker 1: you wrote an op editor on Fox News with Secretary 469 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:40,119 Speaker 1: Ben Carson, and you signed the seventeen seventy six Pledge 470 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 1: to Save our Schools. Tell me you're thinking about all 471 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 1: this and how you hope will develop not just in 472 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 1: South Dakota but also around the country. 473 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,199 Speaker 2: Well, it's kind of a longer story than probably what 474 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 2: we've seen over the last year developed. But when I 475 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 2: first was sworn in as governor, so almost three years ago, 476 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,440 Speaker 2: I brought a bill to my legislature and asked them 477 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,679 Speaker 2: to put more civics and history into our curriculum to 478 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:07,400 Speaker 2: teach more of America's background. It was killed by Republicans. 479 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:12,399 Speaker 2: My Republican legislature defeated that, saying it wasn't necessary. And 480 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,360 Speaker 2: I started to realize that people didn't necessarily know how 481 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 2: important it was to focus teaching our children that background 482 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,879 Speaker 2: and give them that kind of insight into our true 483 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 2: patriotic background. When I got into the COVID nineteen pandemic 484 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 2: and started to make decisions, it was very much based 485 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:35,159 Speaker 2: on what authority I had as a governor and what 486 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 2: authority I didn't have as a governor. I took my 487 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:41,919 Speaker 2: oath to the State Constitution, the US Constitution. Seriously, I 488 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 2: didn't just consult with my health professionals and researchers. I 489 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 2: also consulted with my general counsel and constitutional attorneys to 490 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,679 Speaker 2: find out exactly what a governor's role is and what 491 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 2: a governor's role isn't. So I made my decisions based 492 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,400 Speaker 2: off of that, and it was all based on that 493 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,199 Speaker 2: foundation of a country, because I just believed that when 494 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,719 Speaker 2: a governor oversteps their authority in a time of crisis, 495 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 2: or when a leader does that, that's really when you 496 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 2: break America. So you know, I made those decisions. But 497 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 2: we also watched the riots happen across the country last year. 498 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 2: We watched protests. We watched people give up their freedoms, 499 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 2: their freedom of assembly, They let the government tell them 500 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 2: they had to shelter in place. They lost their freedom 501 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 2: of religion, they let the government tell them they couldn't 502 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 2: go to church, they lost their freedom of speech. By 503 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 2: what we saw happening with our social media giants that 504 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 2: control the narrative out there, and I realized I couldn't 505 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 2: just talk about the decisions that I was making in 506 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 2: South Dakota anymore, which were different than any other governor 507 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 2: in the country was making that I needed to tell 508 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 2: people why I was making the decisions that I made. 509 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 2: So some of those press conferences that I held in 510 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 2: the middle of the pandemic, in the middle of the 511 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 2: summer last year were just about freedom and about our 512 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 2: constitution and educating people as to what the Constitution said 513 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 2: my role was and why I was making the decisions 514 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 2: not to shut down our state, not to close any businesses, 515 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 2: not to even define what an essential business was, because I, 516 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 2: as a governor, didn't have the authority to tell you 517 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 2: your business wasn't essential. And that was something that as 518 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 2: I went on and on and on, I became more 519 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 2: and more alarmed as to how ignorant people really were 520 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 2: to the background in history that is the truth about America. 521 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,520 Speaker 2: So that's why I was the first governor this week 522 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 2: in the country to sign on to the seventeen seventy 523 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 2: six Pledge that says in our school systems we need 524 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 2: an honest accounting for our history. We need our true 525 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 2: history to be taught, and that we have to push 526 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 2: back on critical race theory, on the sixteen nineteen project. 527 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 2: We need to point out how they are absolutely pushing 528 00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 2: lies to our children about what America is about, and 529 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 2: that we need to make sure that that is a 530 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 2: priority for us, and that I'll continue to do that 531 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 2: because in this day and age, leaders can't just be 532 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 2: making decisions. They need to take on the responsibility of 533 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 2: really educating people as to what our true history is 534 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 2: and why it's still important today and into the future. 535 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:23,960 Speaker 1: So, I mean, I think this is really important. It 536 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:28,720 Speaker 1: was interesting in Ronald Reagan's farewell address, he said after 537 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 1: going through the great things they had achieved, he said 538 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 1: the greatest failure was turning around the teaching of American 539 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 1: history and that it worried him more than any other 540 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 1: single thing that they had failed to get done. So, 541 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 1: in a sense, you have picked up the torch for 542 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 1: something that President Reagan felt was at the heart of 543 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 1: what threatened us as a country, because it literally is 544 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 1: an anti American movement to change things, and it changed 545 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 1: things in ways that I think very unacceptable to most people. 546 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 1: You may know that less Saturday in Texas, there was 547 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 1: a local community which had a vote on this topic, 548 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 1: and seventy one percent voted to elect a school board 549 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 1: that was committed to the same policies that you are, 550 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:14,719 Speaker 1: and I thought it was very interesting that seventy one 551 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 1: percent means to be a pretty good vote, and I 552 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,400 Speaker 1: think it shocked some of the people and the news 553 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 1: media to realize it. Maybe their view is not all 554 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 1: that popular out there in the country at large. Let 555 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,240 Speaker 1: me give you a chance to explain the only thing 556 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:32,200 Speaker 1: that people have said that I think has confused or 557 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 1: blurred what is otherwise so far an extraordinary performance by 558 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 1: you as governor, as congresswoman, and as an emerging truly 559 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 1: national leader. And that's this whole issue about protecting women's sports, 560 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 1: because at best it seems kind of muddled with the 561 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 1: legislature passing something, and I think you vetoed it, but 562 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 1: then you issued and executive were I just want to 563 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 1: give you a minut or two to sort of explain 564 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 1: to the folks what the state of play was, what's happening, 565 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 1: because as I listened to you the other night at Marlgo, 566 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 1: I had a feeling like there's a different story than 567 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:06,480 Speaker 1: the one the news media may have carried. 568 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 2: Yes, and you're exactly right. I have always fought for 569 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 2: only girls to play in girls' sports. In fact, years ago, 570 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 2: the federal government came out to the state of South 571 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 2: Dakota and told the Sport of Rodeo that they could 572 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,719 Speaker 2: no longer have girls events and boys events, that they 573 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 2: had to be open to everybody. And I was in 574 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,320 Speaker 2: Congress at the time, and I went to war to 575 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,920 Speaker 2: protect the girls events and the boys events and to 576 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 2: push back on the federal government. I remember during that 577 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 2: time it was incredibly lonely because no other member of 578 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 2: Congress would help, none of my delegation, and not even 579 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,400 Speaker 2: the governor at the time. But I partnered with the 580 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,840 Speaker 2: Sport of Rodeo to push back, and with Sunny Purdue's 581 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 2: help at USDA, was able to get them to reverse 582 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,720 Speaker 2: course so that Rodeo could always continue the way that 583 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 2: it has and have girls events and boys events. So 584 00:32:57,960 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 2: that's one of the reasons nude. I think I was 585 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 2: so by how the story got told in the national 586 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 2: media because I have a long history on this issue 587 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,800 Speaker 2: and a very public fight with the federal government to 588 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 2: ensure we were protecting girls sports. But my legislature passed 589 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 2: me a bill during the legislative session that would have 590 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 2: ensured that in the K twelve system in collegiate system 591 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 2: that girls only played girls' sports, but it also had 592 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 2: a lot of other elements to it. It opened up 593 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 2: an opportunity for every child who played sports to sue 594 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,800 Speaker 2: other children on that team if they didn't make it 595 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 2: on the team. It allowed them to sue the school 596 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 2: district if they were not chosen to be a part 597 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 2: of the team, and it allowed them to sue for 598 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:46,960 Speaker 2: emotional damages with no cap And then the enforcement actions 599 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:51,120 Speaker 2: were extremely flawed, and so what I asked my legislature 600 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,080 Speaker 2: to do was to change it. I did not veto 601 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,240 Speaker 2: the bill. What I did is I sent it to 602 00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 2: the legislature and said, fix this bill and I will 603 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:05,080 Speaker 2: sign it. Unfortunately, my legislature did not accept the changes, 604 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 2: and the bill died. The story that got told in 605 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,759 Speaker 2: the national media was that I vetoed it, which absolutely 606 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 2: wasn't true. So what I did after the legislature did 607 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 2: not accept the changes was I put two executive orders 608 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,680 Speaker 2: in place that said only girls will play in girls 609 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:23,360 Speaker 2: sports in my public schools, and then also only girls 610 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,440 Speaker 2: will play in girl sports at the collegiate level. And 611 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:30,640 Speaker 2: those executive orders will stand until my legislature passes bills 612 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 2: that can be signed into law. But what happened in 613 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:39,440 Speaker 2: the press and with conservatives is that they read a headline. 614 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:43,200 Speaker 2: They didn't read the bill. They didn't see the bill 615 00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,439 Speaker 2: that my legislature sent me, which was unlike any other 616 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,080 Speaker 2: bill in the country. There was no other bill that 617 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,360 Speaker 2: passed through any other state that had the flaws in 618 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 2: it that mine did. And I just believe that it's 619 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,799 Speaker 2: not my job to sign bad bills that have a 620 00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,799 Speaker 2: lot of other unintended consequences, and it's my job to 621 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 2: fix them, which is what I did when I asked 622 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,360 Speaker 2: the legislature to change it. I wish they would have 623 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,960 Speaker 2: accepted it. But in the meantime, these executive orders will 624 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 2: stand until we get a bill that I can sign 625 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:10,680 Speaker 2: into law. 626 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,719 Speaker 1: That's really really helpful. I have to ask you when 627 00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:19,640 Speaker 1: you were back there, I assume you were competing in rodeo. 628 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,040 Speaker 2: Yes, I grew up competing in rodeo. I was a 629 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,480 Speaker 2: rodeo coach. My kids rodeoed as well. It's a very 630 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 2: big part of our life here in South Dakota. It 631 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:29,840 Speaker 2: is our sport. 632 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:31,840 Speaker 1: Which events did you compete in? 633 00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:36,359 Speaker 2: I did barrels, polls in goat tying, So those were 634 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,680 Speaker 2: the ones that I spent all my time competing in. 635 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,040 Speaker 1: Were you a champion goat time? 636 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,440 Speaker 2: I was pretty quick, but I don't know if I 637 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,640 Speaker 2: was the champion. Those goats are pretty wily. 638 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,000 Speaker 1: I'm just thinking about if some people's hopes for you 639 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:55,880 Speaker 1: pan out a little bit like honestay splitting the logs. 640 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,600 Speaker 1: I mean, I have this image of you tying goats 641 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,040 Speaker 1: and saying, I think I can master the Congress. 642 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,960 Speaker 2: That's right. You know, I think most of our family 643 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:09,719 Speaker 2: stories and memories are of either cattle, livestock, or these 644 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,080 Speaker 2: rodeo events. You know, me and my girls would travel 645 00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,080 Speaker 2: from rodeo to rodeo each weekend. We'd sleep in our trailer, 646 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,240 Speaker 2: and it's a tough, dirty way of life, but so special. 647 00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:19,520 Speaker 2: We have so many memories. 648 00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:21,560 Speaker 1: Did you go down to Cheyenne? 649 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:23,759 Speaker 2: Yes, I've been there before, but I need to get 650 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:25,640 Speaker 2: back there. Cynthia keeps inviting me. 651 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,280 Speaker 1: As I understand it. That's just an amazing center. 652 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,400 Speaker 2: Well in the history around that rodeo is incredible. It 653 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,719 Speaker 2: was so sad for me to even see a lot 654 00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:38,000 Speaker 2: of rodeos get canceled this last year because of COVID. 655 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:42,759 Speaker 2: Because they're outdoors and these people wanted to have their 656 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,520 Speaker 2: sporting event. I think it was also amazing to me 657 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:49,640 Speaker 2: to watch Rodeo Champion America. If you watched a rodeo 658 00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:53,600 Speaker 2: this year. They are such patriotic Americans that love this 659 00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,840 Speaker 2: country that a lot of folks who couldn't stand to 660 00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,440 Speaker 2: watch the NFL for the agenda they were pushing League 661 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,319 Speaker 2: Baseball for what they were pushing Roleo would never do 662 00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,760 Speaker 2: anything like that. They love this country and any chance 663 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:07,600 Speaker 2: they get to tell it story, they will. 664 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,440 Speaker 1: And I suspect in terms of the threat of COVID, 665 00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:12,560 Speaker 1: if you're willing to get out there in the arena 666 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:16,040 Speaker 1: with a bull, probably you don't regard risk taking quite 667 00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,560 Speaker 1: the same as if you're sitting in a high rise 668 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:19,440 Speaker 1: in New York City. 669 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:20,680 Speaker 2: That's exactly true. 670 00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:25,000 Speaker 1: They're toughs Well, well, listen, you are a terrific leader, 671 00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,799 Speaker 1: you have a very big future, and you're also a 672 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:32,000 Speaker 1: good sport. And I really appreciate the way you've talked 673 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:35,240 Speaker 1: candidly and openly about things, and I wish you well 674 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:36,880 Speaker 1: and I think all of us are going to be 675 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:38,200 Speaker 1: hearing a great deal more from you. 676 00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:42,160 Speaker 2: Well, let's visit again soon. I enjoyed it, and I 677 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,840 Speaker 2: would love to chat with folks, especially when it comes 678 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:48,239 Speaker 2: to this education process that we need to have with 679 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,960 Speaker 2: our kids. And honestly, there's a lot of adults that 680 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:54,400 Speaker 2: don't understand the importance of protecting our constitution and our 681 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,560 Speaker 2: freedoms and what our history means to us. 682 00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:00,799 Speaker 1: There's an enormous vacuum right now for somebody to fill 683 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,839 Speaker 1: to help citizens understand what their rights are, and what 684 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,359 Speaker 1: they can do to change the schools, and what they 685 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,200 Speaker 1: can do to make sure their children learn patriotic and 686 00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,000 Speaker 1: accurate history. I have a hunch that we're going to 687 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:14,400 Speaker 1: be seeing you around the country. 688 00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:16,840 Speaker 2: Yes, let me tell you, newt Everything you're seeing in 689 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,880 Speaker 2: South Dakota that's successful right now is because I adhere 690 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,120 Speaker 2: to the history and the perspective their founding fathers gave us. 691 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,600 Speaker 2: We are the fastest growing economy, the lowest unemployment in 692 00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,400 Speaker 2: the nation. We have thousands of people moving to our state, 693 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,480 Speaker 2: and we have historic revenues coming in and it's all 694 00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:36,080 Speaker 2: because we adhere to conservative principles as defined by our 695 00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:39,160 Speaker 2: founding fathers that were given to us at the beginning 696 00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,440 Speaker 2: of this country. And that's the testimony people should use 697 00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,000 Speaker 2: to really blueprint out how their way of life should 698 00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:45,600 Speaker 2: be protected. 699 00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:47,960 Speaker 1: That's great listen. 700 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,560 Speaker 2: Thank you very very much, you bet, thanks Nilan. 701 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,600 Speaker 1: Thank you to my guest Governor Christy No. You can 702 00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,360 Speaker 1: read more about the topics we discussed in this episode 703 00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:02,759 Speaker 1: on our show pageworld dot com. Newtsworld is produced by 704 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:07,640 Speaker 1: Gingrich three sixty and iHeartMedia. Our executive producer is Guarnsey 705 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:11,799 Speaker 1: Sloan and our researcher is Rachel Peterson. The artwork for 706 00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:15,440 Speaker 1: the show was created by Steve Penley. 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