1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:01,880 Speaker 1: The volume. 2 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 2: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. 3 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: What is up. 4 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:20,959 Speaker 2: Straight Fire, Fam, It's me Jason McIntyre, Straight Fire for 5 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:24,920 Speaker 2: for Friday, June ninth. We are recording this in advance 6 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 2: of the massive Game four the NBA Finals. Obviously we'll 7 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 2: have best bets at the end. Nuggets. He must win 8 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 2: for Miami. If you lose this game, season over, you're 9 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 2: not winning the final three games against the Denver Broncos 10 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 2: after being down Denver Broncos, Denver Nuggets after being down 11 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:43,560 Speaker 2: three to one. They probably couldn't do it against the 12 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:48,520 Speaker 2: Broncos either. Yo Kitchen Murray pretty pretty incredible in Game three. 13 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 2: Will they be able to do that again? But in 14 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:53,240 Speaker 2: advance of that, kind of a slow news day, no 15 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 2: no juicy Zion Williamson news popping from the CD corners 16 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 2: of the Internet. I'm sure the investigative reporters are digging deep. 17 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:06,320 Speaker 2: But you know, producer legend Rob g has a couple 18 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 2: of interesting topics. We got some of it we've covered 19 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 2: in passing before, but all this love for Yokichen Murray 20 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 2: totally dominating the finals both with the thirty point triple doubles. 21 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 2: First time that's been done. In NBA history. It led 22 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 2: us to the topic of the best duos in the league. 23 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 2: And it's weird because these aren't the duos of your 24 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 2: older brother or maybe your dad or your uncle. This 25 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 2: isn't Magic and Jabbar or Scottie and Michael. Hell, it's 26 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 2: not even Kobe and Shack. I don't think now in 27 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:44,399 Speaker 2: terms of greatness the number one is for sure. But 28 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 2: after that we've got positionless basketball taking over. And as such, 29 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 2: you don't have the big guard and the center, the 30 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 2: magic Johnson feeding Jabbar. You don't have Isaiah Thomas and 31 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 2: I guess Isaiah Thomas and Dumars were the duo right 32 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 2: on NBA JAM back in the day. But you just 33 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 2: don't have the traditional duo. This is kind of a 34 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 2: new duo. And you know, Rob and I there's some 35 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 2: strong disagreement. Shall we say I have ten, he's got five. 36 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:16,239 Speaker 2: I'll count down from ten to one. Best duos in 37 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 2: the league. And again, is this for who would win 38 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 2: in a two on two tournament? Absolutely not. We know 39 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 2: that's crazy. I'm talking about in terms of the two 40 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 2: best players leading your team. There is gonna be some 41 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:32,919 Speaker 2: your turn, my turn. Unfortunately, Kyrie Irving and Luca Dantis 42 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 2: did not make the cut. I had them in late 43 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 2: and I had to bump them. I'm sorry, not enough 44 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 2: of a sample size. If it were two on two, 45 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 2: they would not be able to defend anybody, but then 46 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 2: you could counter, well, nobody could defend them. It's just 47 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 2: I don't know how those two are going to fit together. 48 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 2: I'm hopeful that it works for Luca's sake, but they 49 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 2: just missed the cut. Also missing the cut my guy 50 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:56,679 Speaker 2: Jalen Brunson and Julius Randall. Again small sample size of 51 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 2: them together. They did win a playoff series barely missing 52 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 2: the cut. Just because I want to mention him again, 53 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:05,919 Speaker 2: Zion Williamson and Brandon Ingram. If you notice those faithful 54 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 2: watchers of the Herd Thursday tried to tried to crowbar 55 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 2: Zion in there that nobody was having it. They're like, 56 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 2: this is way too risky, we can't touch it. I 57 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 2: got Zion mentioned in there. I think two or three times. 58 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 2: Cowhard knew what was up. He was in on the plane. 59 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 2: Also missing the cut, and this is narrowly but John 60 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 2: Morant and Jaron Jackson. We don't know what's up with 61 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 2: Ja Morant going forward, carl Anthony Townsend, Kat Sorry and 62 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 2: Anthony Edwards. They narrowly missed the cut, and finally underrated 63 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 2: backcourt Donovan Mitchell and Darius Garland, they just missed the cut. 64 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 2: So best duos in the league starting at number ten. 65 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 2: I know some people are gonna say disrespectful out of 66 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 2: the gate, but Clay Thompson and Steph Curry checking in 67 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 2: at ten. Now, this is four years ago, pre Clay 68 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 2: back to back injuries. Heck yeah, they're number one, but 69 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 2: we're talking about twenty twenty three and going forward, Clay 70 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 2: just just looks like a shell of himself. Guys, we 71 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 2: know he can't defend. He's just not the knockdown shooter. 72 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 2: He was proved that in the Lakers series. Where was he? 73 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 2: Steph Curry obviously an Mvpkennate, But I've got them as 74 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 2: the tenth best duo in the league. I don't think 75 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 2: Clay can be the second best player on your team 76 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 2: if you're gunning to win a title anymore. We already 77 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 2: showed in twenty twenty two he wasn't the second best. 78 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 2: That was Andrew Wiggins. You could argue Clay was third 79 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 2: or fourth. So number nine Jannis at Nakumpo and Drew Holliday. 80 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:26,799 Speaker 2: I'm sure there's gonna be some people pushing for Middleton Overdrew. 81 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 2: That's just not the case anymore. When they won the 82 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 2: title two years ago, sure Middleton was outstanding, Holiday a 83 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 2: really good defender. At this point, with the injuries, I 84 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:36,720 Speaker 2: think Middleton comes back a little bit. We don't know 85 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 2: what his future is. By the way, in Milwaukee, so 86 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 2: I have Giannis and Drew Holliday checking in at nine 87 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 2: number eight. They're currently starring in the finals. Bam at 88 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 2: a Baio and James Butler himmy Buckets, as they like 89 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,559 Speaker 2: to call him. You could argue that this duo should 90 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 2: be higher promised. They don't really do it in the 91 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:56,599 Speaker 2: regular season. They're just a playoff one two punch and 92 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:59,839 Speaker 2: at times Bam has struggled in the first couple of rounds. 93 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 2: Maybe it was defending Embiid I'm not I'm sorry, not 94 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 2: in bid. Maybe it was defending Giannison company in the 95 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:07,719 Speaker 2: first round. And then in the third round he's doing 96 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:09,720 Speaker 2: a lot of rotation, trying to switch and cut off 97 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 2: the drives. Against Boston, he just didn't have a great 98 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:16,119 Speaker 2: offensive series. He's played great through three games against Denver, 99 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 2: they're down two to one. Jimmy Butler needs no introduction. 100 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 2: One of my favorite players in the league. Eighth best 101 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 2: duo in the league checking in at seven. They never 102 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 2: play in the postseason. They're always hurt, but damn if 103 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 2: they're ever healthy, lookout league. Kawhi Leonard and Paul George 104 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 2: checking in seventh best duo. Essentially they are Brown and 105 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 2: Tatum in the West. But these two always get hurt 106 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:42,159 Speaker 2: and always come up short. That's the problem with Kawhi 107 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 2: and Paul George. I'm the only time they were healthy, 108 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 2: I believe, in the playoffs, fully healthy. They get to 109 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 2: the Eastern Conference Western Conference Semifinals against the Nuggets, lead 110 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 2: three to one. Yeah, it lead three to one, and 111 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 2: then they just melted down. Kawhi Leonard nowhere to be found. 112 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 2: Jamal Murray just roasted every one pandemic Paul George off 113 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 2: the side of the backboard. Sorry, guys, you can't do 114 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 2: better than seven, number six Embiid and Harden one of 115 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 2: the most dynamic pick and roll duos in the league. 116 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 2: If Harden leaves, this group falls out obviously. Just my guess, 117 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:20,479 Speaker 2: my guess. No insider knowledge don't aggregate me ugh. I 118 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 2: think James Harden stays. I think he's trying to use 119 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 2: Houston as leverage to get all the money he can 120 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 2: from his guy, Darryl Mory. I think Harden stays with 121 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 2: him Bead and Dick listen in Miami does an upgrade 122 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:32,919 Speaker 2: and we'll see what Boston does around the fringe is 123 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:36,840 Speaker 2: we don't know about Milwaukee. I'm not totally ruling out 124 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 2: Philadelphia now that they've bounced Doc Rivers and upgraded. With 125 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:43,280 Speaker 2: Nick Nurse checking in at number five, this is a 126 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 2: nod to my Kings, Sabonis and Fox. I mean, listen, 127 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 2: dearon Fox proved his worth in the postseason. If he 128 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 2: doesn't get that injured finger. Steph Curry doesn't have fifty Kings. 129 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 2: Who know how far they go. They probably they would 130 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 2: have been a problem for Rob G's Lakers. You can 131 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:01,719 Speaker 2: bet your bottom dollar that Sabonis obvious superstar in the making, 132 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:04,840 Speaker 2: well maybe super star strong, but all NBA player. How's that? 133 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:07,719 Speaker 2: I think as a duo pick and roll they work 134 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 2: perfectly together. I think Sacramento's onto something. Fifth best duel 135 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 2: in the league. Number four Kevin Durant, Devin Booker, this 136 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 2: is where your turn, my turn comes in. I didn't 137 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 2: love what I saw in the playoffs, to be honest, guys. 138 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 2: It was just a lot of Okay, you score and 139 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 2: now I'm gonna get off my shot, and they when 140 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 2: you talk duo working together, I didn't see that the 141 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 2: way I do with Fox and Sabonis or yokichin Murray. 142 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 2: So I have Durant and Booker down at four. By 143 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 2: the way, we'll get to Chris Paul in a moment. 144 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 2: But they had a big four like eight minutes ago 145 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 2: of Chris Paul eight and Booker and Durant that was 146 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 2: supposed to be favorites in the West, and it was 147 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 2: just Choke City in the postseason against Denver. And now 148 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 2: it's like Dewey trade Ayton, Chris Paul might get waived, 149 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 2: and it's like, wow, a lot happening in Phoenix. Remember 150 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 2: when I called it toxic and you got angry? Feels 151 00:07:57,840 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 2: good to be right, doesn't it all? 152 00:07:59,520 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: Right? 153 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 2: Checking at number three, Lebron and ad strong case for two, 154 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 2: decent case for one, except what's happened in the finals 155 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 2: and in the Western Conference finals. But yes, Lebron and 156 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 2: eighty obviously the asterisks when healthy. Come on, Lebron's a 157 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 2: top five player when he's healthy. Anthony Davis healthy and motivated. 158 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 2: He was dominant in the postseason until he had to 159 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 2: go up against Jokic checking in at two. Tatum and Brown. 160 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 2: I know a lot of people are out on Jason Tatum. 161 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 2: I'm not. We had his trainer on here last year, 162 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 2: and I mean I've been a fan way before then. 163 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 2: But everything about Tatum works for me. Everything about Brown works. 164 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 2: He's got to work on the left hand a little bit, 165 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 2: but don't we all. I know, I got to work 166 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 2: on my left. Nobody cares, but I've got to work 167 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 2: on my left. For the men's league, Tatum and Brown 168 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 2: number two and number one. Jokich and Murray need no introduction. 169 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 2: They are dominating the finals. Jokic will win MVP. Jamal 170 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:53,719 Speaker 2: Murray no time All Star, looks like truly one of 171 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 2: the best guards in the league, which just says a 172 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:58,559 Speaker 2: lot about the All Star process. Sorry, rob G, you've 173 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:02,680 Speaker 2: had some time to let that marinate. I'm sure you're 174 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 2: waiting to just knock Lebron and Ad down a peg 175 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 2: and bump up your your love affair with Kevin Durant. 176 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 2: I don't know if you're calling him future Laker anymore. 177 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 2: But what do you hate about my top ten? 178 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 3: No, First off, Kevin Durant is not a future Laker. 179 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 3: That ship has sailed. There's only a very exclusive list 180 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 3: of guys. And I must say I'm still shooting like 181 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:24,119 Speaker 3: seventy percent from the field on my future Laker predictions. 182 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 3: The one that's coming down the pike keep an eye 183 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 3: out Jason Tatum in maybe two or three years. But 184 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 3: as far as your your top ten dynamic deal is, 185 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 3: we're only agreement in one, which is surprising. I mean, now, 186 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 3: we're in similar ranges for a lot of these guys, 187 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 3: but the only one that I think you and I 188 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 3: are totally agreement on is Jokichi Murray at the top. 189 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 3: And the reason being, and that you allude to this 190 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 3: is that their games fit together better than I think 191 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 3: everybody else in the league. And just to illustrate this point, 192 00:09:55,880 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 3: NBA dot com published something on Thursday that said, in 193 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 3: three games versus Miami in the NBA Finals, Yoki Jim 194 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 3: Murray have a total of twenty seven assists to each other. 195 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 3: By comparison, Jalen Jalen Brown Jason Tatum had six total 196 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:22,239 Speaker 3: assists to each other in seven games. So the symbiotic 197 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:24,680 Speaker 3: relationship between Yoki Jim Murray is as unmatched. 198 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 2: Maybe that's got Maybe that's all the coach drop. Uh 199 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 2: do we see a lot of Brown and Tatum picking rolls? 200 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 2: Should we? Honest? 201 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 3: Are they are capable of running those kind of paper? 202 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:33,839 Speaker 3: Because if you switch it, you have the same size 203 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 3: guy either way, it doesn't really you don't really get 204 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 3: a finish. 205 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 2: I mean, not a lot of team switches have two 206 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 2: wings of that caliber. It's it's all fair questions. But 207 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 2: so you do you even have Brown and Tatum top five? 208 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 3: I do, but I have them exactly at number five, okay? 209 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:51,559 Speaker 3: For that exact reason is because as great as they 210 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 3: are individually, which I think they are. I think Jason 211 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 3: Tatum is fantastic, Jalen Brown is very good. Their games 212 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 3: do not compliment each other as well as you would 213 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 3: expect two guys of that level of talent to do so. 214 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:06,319 Speaker 3: And it's why I have the number five. And right 215 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 3: above them is number four. Kevin Durant and Devin Booker 216 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 3: very similar to those two where they don't compliment each other. 217 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 3: The difference is is that I think we saw in 218 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 3: a very very limited sample sized key thing here those two, 219 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 3: even if it was your turn, my turn in Phoenix, 220 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:24,199 Speaker 3: they were absolutely devastating. I mean, there was a reason 221 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 3: why the games that they won against Denver, like they 222 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 3: had to score seventy five points and they're capable of 223 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 3: scoring seventy five points together. They are that good. Both 224 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 3: of them can score from anywhere. Both of them can 225 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 3: handle the ball, which is something that you know Jalen 226 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 3: Brown struggles with, to put it lightly, especially going left, 227 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 3: as you mentioned, And that's why I have them number four. 228 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 3: The two and three was kind of a confusing and 229 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:51,439 Speaker 3: not confusing, a difficult decision for me, because on one hand, 230 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 3: they both have championships. On the other hand, your version 231 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:00,200 Speaker 3: of a dynamic duo is not the version that I 232 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 3: picked for my dynamic duo. And you picked Jannis and Middleton. 233 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:09,680 Speaker 3: I think you had them at nine, Okay. I also, okay, 234 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 3: said I have wrote that down wrong. I have Jannison 235 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 3: Holiday as well, and I have them at number three. 236 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 2: Huh. 237 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 3: And it's it's because their games fit together number one, 238 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 3: but also because I think Jannis on his lonesome pick 239 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 3: if it's him in Holiday, him and Middleton. If you 240 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:29,439 Speaker 3: want to be saucy and throwing him in Brook Lopez, 241 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 3: they might even be a top ten duo there, because 242 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 3: Jannis is so good and so devastating that I think 243 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 3: him by himself, coupled with any number of guys is 244 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 3: a great dynamic duo. The only reason why I have 245 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 3: Lebron and a D ahead of them is because Lebron 246 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 3: and a D when healthy are just right there behind 247 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:54,079 Speaker 3: Yokichi Murray in terms of being able to work together 248 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 3: in tandem and unison. These other guys can't. 249 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 2: I mean, let me on something, hold up, hold ahead. 250 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 2: So you had Giannis and Middleton at three, no Holiday 251 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 2: Holiday Okay, Yeah, we saw Holiday as the wingman to 252 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 2: ad in New Orleans as the number two as the duo, 253 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:14,440 Speaker 2: and they capped out at the second round. You go 254 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 2: to Milwaukee and it was Jannis and Middleton were the 255 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 2: top two horses. Holiday was the third and they won 256 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 2: a title. So are you saying, with Middleton out, Holiday 257 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 2: is the number two in Milwaukee and that duo is 258 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 2: third best in the league. 259 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 3: Yes, but I think even if you were to replace 260 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 3: Holiday with Middleton, they'd probably still be top five because 261 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:38,960 Speaker 3: I think Jannis is that good. He doesn't really need 262 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 3: the ball to be effective. He can score cutting to 263 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 3: the basket and just overpowering guys at the rim, and 264 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:47,719 Speaker 3: both Holiday and Middleton at they're off ball. Giannis is 265 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:49,560 Speaker 3: a good enough passer and a good enough creator where 266 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 3: they can both hit open shots. So that's why I 267 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 3: think whatever guy you picked to be his second player, 268 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 3: that person with Giannis is one of the best dynamic 269 00:13:57,920 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 3: duos in the NBA. 270 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 2: Guy can't make a free throw, but he's that's a 271 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 2: good point. 272 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 3: That's a good point. By the way, Lebron in Ad, 273 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 3: I don't know if you know this. Points rebounds assists 274 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 3: for any dynamic duo in the NBA number one, not 275 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 3: a shocker. It's all Lakers exceptionalism here, Yeah. 276 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 2: Lakers exceptionalism. So we kind of talked a little bit 277 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 2: about this earlier, a little bit yesterday, actually, this Chris 278 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 2: Paul situation, and now Brian Windhorst has kind of advanced 279 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 2: a little to say Chris Paul, who none of us 280 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 2: have any more as like an elite superstar. I know 281 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 2: he was all NBA what two or three years ago, 282 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 2: but he's very limited. He gets hurt every postseason. So 283 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 2: Brian Windhorst, who hasn't been on this pod in a while, 284 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 2: I gotta get on his case. I saw he did 285 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 2: another pod recently. I'm like, bro, what's going on. He 286 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 2: has said that CP three will stay in Phoenix or 287 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 2: go to LA but he did not specify Lakers or Clippers. 288 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 2: That rules out the idea of being a mentor of 289 00:14:56,640 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 2: sorts to Ja Morant, rules out cowherds idea to Boston, 290 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 2: rules out the potential of going to Milwaukee, rules out 291 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 2: made Dallas in any way, shape or form. If Kyrie 292 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 2: doesn't end up there, I gotta say, I'm not surprised, 293 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 2: but I guess my thing is Chris Paul seems like 294 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 2: a prideful dude. Rob. I don't know him personally, but 295 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 2: everything you've read and the trash talk and the ego 296 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 2: and the being a leader and grinding on people wearing 297 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 2: them down, it kind of sort of makes me wonder, 298 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 2: is Chris Paul built to say, Okay, I'm willing to 299 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 2: play on the Lakers in a small role for five 300 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 2: million dollars a year. And I gotta be honest, I 301 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 2: don't see that to be the case. Even though he's 302 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 2: made I think over three hundred million according to Basketball 303 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 2: Reference in his career, and that doesn't include the state farm, 304 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 2: the sprite, whatever else, and I know also taxes. Blah 305 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 2: blah blah. He's made a lot of money, hasn't won 306 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 2: a title. But Lebron has said he'll never play for 307 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 2: less than the max, which is why the Dallas stuff insane. 308 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 2: You just have to wonder if is he gonna pull 309 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 2: like a Rondo. I don't know if you guys remember this, 310 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 2: but Rondo after winning the title with the Lakers was like, 311 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 2: you know what, I gotta go out and get paid. 312 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 2: And I'm almost certain Robid you could check this. I 313 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 2: think he signed with the Atlanta Hawks, who thought, oh, 314 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 2: there's our great backup point guard. There's our locker room leader. 315 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 2: What happened by the deadline, Rondo was shipped and I'm 316 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 2: pretty sure he went back to the Lakers. So there 317 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 2: is a world Clippers there you go. Yeah, there is 318 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 2: a world where Chris Paul just says, no, I'm gonna 319 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 2: go get paid. He kind of hopes or forces let's 320 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 2: just use him because everybody uses them, Orlando to pay 321 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 2: him because they need veteran They got to get to 322 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 2: the playoffs with Ben Carrow and then by the deadline. Obviously, 323 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 2: this team's a mess. They're not going anywhere. Hey guys, 324 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 2: I'm not doing anything here. You could ship me out, 325 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 2: maybe get a pick or who knows what, send me 326 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 2: to a contender, and that way he gets paid and 327 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 2: then gets to hopefully play in the postseason with a contender. 328 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 2: I just I don't see him playing for like the 329 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 2: veteran minimum with the Lakers. 330 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:08,160 Speaker 1: Do you not? 331 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:08,880 Speaker 2: Realistically? 332 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 3: No, I think if they are going to get him, 333 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:13,680 Speaker 3: it's got to be for like the taxpayer mid level, 334 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 3: which I think around five million. But it's also why 335 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:20,879 Speaker 3: I think the Lakers seem like the most likely destination, 336 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 3: not only because his family's here, and it was funny 337 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:25,440 Speaker 3: I didn't even know this that his families at stayed 338 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 3: in LA when he was in Phoenix. I thought they 339 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 3: went with him, but according to reports that they lived separately. 340 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 3: I think it's going to be the Lakers, not only 341 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 3: because they can offer that five million, but they can 342 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 3: even offer upwards of almost twelve million by giving him 343 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 3: the full mid level, which would basically offset anything he 344 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 3: lost from the thirty million from Phoenix. 345 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:50,239 Speaker 2: Well, what does that mean for Lakers cap space. Does 346 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 2: that mean if they give him the full they've got 347 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 2: to sacrifice another player that could have slided. 348 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, it means that de'angelo Russell would absolutely not be 349 00:17:56,800 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 3: coming back, and it means that any other improvements they'd 350 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:03,919 Speaker 3: be making would have to come via trade because they 351 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 3: would be hard capped. 352 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 2: So you'd be locking in as Chris Paul as your 353 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:11,159 Speaker 2: starting point guard, Austin Reeves is your combo, and like, 354 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 2: maybe Austin's the backup. I don't I don't like that 355 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 2: at all. 356 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, if you did that, you'd have to be 357 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 3: able to make some kind of deal. I kind of 358 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 3: floated out on Twitter. Maybe you can flip Malik Beasley 359 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 3: to Brooklyn for like, you know, Roy O'Neill and Patty Mills. Right, 360 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 3: so you have a backup small forward and a backup 361 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 3: point guard. You're older, you're you can shoot better. And 362 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:34,680 Speaker 3: so in an ideal world wherever Chris Paul ends up, 363 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:37,159 Speaker 3: he's not going to be more than like a twenty 364 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 3: five twenty seven minute night guy just because he's old. 365 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 3: He's breaking down in the playoffs. And then you know 366 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 3: what's funny is to bring it back full circle to 367 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 3: Phoenix Ramona Shelbourne reported on Wednesday, But even before that, 368 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 3: about a month ago, Brian Geltzeiler from Serious XMNBA Radio 369 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 3: reported that keep an eye on James Harden to the 370 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:01,919 Speaker 3: Phoenix Suns. Now. I don't know how realistic that is, 371 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:03,639 Speaker 3: just because of the salary cap he has mentioned with 372 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:05,640 Speaker 3: Chris Paul. They're going to cut rid of Chris Paul 373 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 3: because he makes too much money. I don't know how 374 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:09,879 Speaker 3: you replace him with a guy who makes even more money. 375 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 3: But I'd have to imagine that Phoenix doesn't make this 376 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:17,159 Speaker 3: move with Chris Paul unless they know somebody else is 377 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:18,120 Speaker 3: coming to replace him. 378 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 2: Well, Rob, the issue there is do you have enough 379 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 2: basketballs to go around for Harden, Durant and Booker. That's insane, 380 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 2: but the NBA is largely insane. All right, Let's wrap 381 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 2: up with an interesting topic. So a few months back, 382 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 2: we had on Preston Johnson, the sports Cheetah, and he 383 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:41,439 Speaker 2: asked an interesting question about which players would you not 384 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:44,399 Speaker 2: trade for? Victor one Minyama. So the Spurs come to 385 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 2: you and say, Rob, you got Steph Curry on your roster. 386 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 2: We want him. We'll give you the number one pick. 387 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 2: And obviously the salaries to match. Would you trade Steph 388 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 2: Curry for Victor Woman Yama and earlier in the season, Rob, 389 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure both of I agreed. You would not 390 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:05,400 Speaker 2: trade Luca, Jannis, Curry and Tatum. I'm pretty sure those 391 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 2: were the four. Obviously, the way Nikola Jokic is playing, 392 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 2: we have to have a discussion about him. So he's 393 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:13,879 Speaker 2: twenty eight years old. I think he turned twenty eight 394 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 2: in February, so twenty eight and four or five months. 395 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:19,440 Speaker 2: Women Yama's ninety, has his entire future ahead of him. 396 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:25,159 Speaker 2: We don't know what it's gonna be. Would you and 397 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 2: I asked this on Twitter and people were like, how 398 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 2: could you even ask this question? And this is where 399 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 2: the recency biace comes into play. Would you trade Jokic 400 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 2: for the number one pick? And you would then elongate 401 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:41,199 Speaker 2: your window of championships. Now, the problem is guessing the 402 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 2: window on championships. That's difficult. Warriors won last year, Oh 403 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:47,680 Speaker 2: the windows there, they could do so much more, and 404 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:49,920 Speaker 2: then you know, Draymond punches out Jordan Poole and they 405 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:54,199 Speaker 2: lose in the second round. This is I think a 406 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 2: little tougher than everybody, and it was overwhelmingly you do 407 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:03,200 Speaker 2: not trade Jokic the body type that Shack had. Now, 408 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 2: Shaq was never in shape. But rob would you say 409 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 2: that Jokic is in shape. I mean, he does run 410 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:12,199 Speaker 2: well and plays heavy minutes, but he doesn't look like 411 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 2: the kind of guy who is, you know, rocked up 412 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 2: and in super shape, and in the offseason he's grinding. 413 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 2: When Shaq was in LA, he maxed out around age 414 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:27,719 Speaker 2: twenty nine, at like twenty seven a game. At thirty, 415 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:31,400 Speaker 2: you see, he's still twenty seven and eleven thirty one, 416 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:34,639 Speaker 2: he drops a little bit to twenty one and eleven. 417 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 2: The next year he shipped to Miami and yet listen, 418 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 2: he had good numbers twenty two to ten. But from 419 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 2: there into his early thirties, it starts, you know, missing 420 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:48,679 Speaker 2: more games. He's seventeen and seven, and centers don't always 421 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 2: age gracefully. I don't. I mean, Jokic already can barely 422 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:53,879 Speaker 2: jump over a piece of paper, and we're trying to 423 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:55,639 Speaker 2: project what he's gonna be like in four years. I 424 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 2: don't know the answer. Nobody does. Nobody knows what's gonna 425 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 2: happen with one Minyama. I think if you ask around 426 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:07,200 Speaker 2: the league now, you probably you probably hold onto Jokic 427 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 2: and you don't do the deal, right. 428 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, I wouldn't make the deal because I think even 429 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:17,159 Speaker 3: though Jokic is not the model of fitness right in 430 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 3: the NBA, his game is not built on athleticism physicality 431 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 3: in the same way like Shaq was, because as soon 432 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:30,880 Speaker 3: as Shaq's you know, speed, power combination dwindled, he didn't 433 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 3: have the requisite skill level to make up for it 434 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 3: in a way that you'd want him to. Jokic has 435 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:41,680 Speaker 3: never been strong, well you know, shack like strong. He's 436 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 3: never been explosive. He's never been quick and fast. He 437 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,880 Speaker 3: plays off of skill, the same thing as Luka Doncic, 438 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,440 Speaker 3: and I think it's because of that that his game 439 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 3: is going to age much more gracefully than a lot 440 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:59,440 Speaker 3: of other guys like a Yannis or even like an Embiid. 441 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 2: So maybe the better comp is our Vetus Sabonis. The 442 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:10,120 Speaker 2: I think seven foot two let's see, I uh Lithuanian. Yeah, 443 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 2: it looks like seven three two eighty a cerebral player. 444 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 2: Passer now didn't play in the NBA until thirty one, 445 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 2: but at. 446 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: Age thirty five, he put up eleven and seven, shooting 447 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 1: fifty percent hit thirty six percent from three eighty four 448 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 1: percent from the line. 449 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 2: Now, his assist numbers weren't as big as they were, 450 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:35,119 Speaker 2: but he was a cerebral player. You knew what you 451 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 2: were getting. You think jokicch at thirty five is going 452 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:43,160 Speaker 2: to be better than our Vinas Sabonis was at thirty. 453 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 3: Five, assuming health Absolutely Well, that's the reason why the 454 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:50,439 Speaker 3: Sabonis like everyone talks about before the injuries got to 455 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,440 Speaker 3: him and when he before he even got to the NBA, 456 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 3: he was like a mythical creature. Yeah, being seven plus 457 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 3: almost three hundred pounds. Then he was so highly skilled. 458 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 3: By the time he got to the NBA, he had 459 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:04,440 Speaker 3: already been ravaged with injuries overseas, so we never got 460 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 3: to see peaks of Bonas. 461 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 2: So the other thing, Rob is is it fair? And 462 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:13,159 Speaker 2: again we always say when you get more new information, 463 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 2: you can change your mind. Five months ago, we didn't 464 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:19,239 Speaker 2: have Jokic on the do not trade for one big 465 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,920 Speaker 2: Yama list. Now, after a glorious postseason run, he's probably 466 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:26,200 Speaker 2: gonna win the finals MVP. He's an overwhelming favorite. We've 467 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 2: changed our minds. Are we reading too much into this 468 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:34,439 Speaker 2: sample size where they beat Minnesota, Phoenix with KD Lakers 469 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 2: and Lebron and ad and Miami and Denver would have 470 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,919 Speaker 2: been a dog against the Bucks and the Celtics. I 471 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 2: think because they were Yeah, they were both favored. I 472 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 2: don't know. Are we doing that thing that we did 473 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 2: with Giannis where he won the title? He's the best 474 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,680 Speaker 2: player in the world and oh would you look at that? 475 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 2: They haven't been back to the finals. I think they're 476 00:24:54,880 --> 00:25:00,920 Speaker 2: gonna come back. But Jokich is twenty eight. Wembin Yama 477 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 2: have more or less than one finals appearance by twenty eight, 478 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:06,680 Speaker 2: I would probably. 479 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,959 Speaker 3: Say yes, if he's as good as they say he is, 480 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 3: he should have like three or four by the. 481 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 2: Okay, So then why aren't you doing the deal? 482 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:19,159 Speaker 3: Because history tells us that big man especially have to 483 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 3: fight an injury bug that the young the smaller guys 484 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:22,159 Speaker 3: don't have to. 485 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,359 Speaker 2: It's not fair, it's it sucks. And even the worst 486 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:29,399 Speaker 2: part is, and I hate this, we're setting up wembn 487 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 2: Yama where he's never going to meet the expectations. There's 488 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 2: just no chance he's gonna be good enough. Chris Bussard 489 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,880 Speaker 2: going on on either A Odd Couple or his show, 490 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 2: a TV show, saying that if he has a career 491 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,879 Speaker 2: of Kevin Durant, he's a failure. Like I mean, and 492 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 2: now you listen, listen to me pumping up we Mayama. 493 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 2: Would you trade the two time MVP who's about to 494 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 2: win a finals MVP and a title for when Yama? 495 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,359 Speaker 2: And like, we're doing this and I don't know, it 496 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,200 Speaker 2: feels unseemly, does it not a little? 497 00:25:59,240 --> 00:25:59,400 Speaker 1: Though? 498 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 3: The thing is like, and Draymond Green did this on 499 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 3: the you know, his podcast where he mentioned there's probably 500 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 3: only like seven or eight guys you would not trade 501 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 3: for wim Minyama. And I think the I think I 502 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 3: think it's he said seven or eight. And then the 503 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:12,680 Speaker 3: biggest thing though, and I think that he gets lost 504 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 3: in this conversation is it's not like you or Broussard 505 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 3: or Windhorst or Draymond or whoever are coming out and saying, 506 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,360 Speaker 3: you know, based on what I've seen from when Manyama, 507 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 3: I think he's the greatest thing since slic spread. No, 508 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 3: what you're going off of is a Woes report where 509 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,639 Speaker 3: he says anonymous executives say he's going to be the 510 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,159 Speaker 3: best player in the NBA by year three. Well, we 511 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,640 Speaker 3: could see like no, but like this is. This isn't 512 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:40,639 Speaker 3: pundits and media personalities that are pumping him up. This 513 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:44,479 Speaker 3: is executives, This is scouts. This is even current players 514 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 3: like Draymond Green who are saying this. So I think 515 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 3: it's kind of unfair for you to take it as 516 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 3: want putting too much pressure on him when you're only 517 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 3: really reacting to what the smartest guys in the room 518 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 3: are already saying. 519 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 2: You could see the dude, he's never seen anything like it. 520 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 2: I hope he's successful. I don't seven or eight seems 521 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,400 Speaker 2: like a lot. We'll wrap up with a quick best bet. 522 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 2: I am gonna lay it with Denver three and a 523 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 2: half in Game four. I think they put this series 524 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,399 Speaker 2: on ice. I know Miami's gonna give it a valued effort, 525 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 2: but Denver's just too good. 526 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 1: Now. 527 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:16,919 Speaker 2: Miami could come out and make all the shots. I 528 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 2: haven't bet a side since Game one, but I'm gonna 529 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 2: go with Denver favored by three and a half. No 530 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 2: Quaer pops yet. I'm very curious as to the mindset 531 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,679 Speaker 2: of Michael Porter Junior. It's either gonna continue to go 532 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 2: south or it's gonna spike up. Could be a good 533 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 2: bi Loo opportunity on him. I think I've maxed out 534 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:36,360 Speaker 2: on my BAM out of bio wagers, but uh, game four. Listen, Honestly, 535 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 2: I mean, if series ends next week, we're going NBA 536 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 2: Draft and then it's wacky guestless time. The powers that 537 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 2: be have asked for a guest list of potential guests 538 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 2: and I sent in I think thirteen names that are 539 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 2: moderately interesting, in some a little off the reservation. But anyways, everybody, 540 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:57,120 Speaker 2: have a great fun weekend, enjoy Game four. We'll talk 541 00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:57,639 Speaker 2: to you Monday.