1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:01,400 Speaker 1: Music Saved Me. 2 00:00:01,480 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 2: There was a radio presenter in Australia and I didn't 3 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 2: know of him at the time, and he stumbled upon 4 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 2: my EP it is what it is, and he messaged 5 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:11,880 Speaker 2: me on Twitter like out of the blue one night, 6 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 2: and it was hard for him to get through some 7 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 2: of the songs because it felt like I wrote those 8 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 2: songs at a time that he needed to hear them. 9 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 2: And he just thanked me so much for writing the EP. 10 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 2: And that's like all a songwriter can hope for is 11 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:25,919 Speaker 2: for listeners to connect to our music. 12 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 3: I'm Lynn Hoffman and this is the Music Saved Me Podcast, 13 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 3: the show where we dig deep into the stories behind 14 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:36,599 Speaker 3: the healing powers of music. On this episode, we're excited 15 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 3: to welcome Demi Michelle, an award winning pop and country 16 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 3: songwriter from Pittsburgh, PA. Demi's passion for songwriting and storytelling 17 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 3: has a deep connection to the heart and soul of 18 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 3: many in her community, and she is a true testament 19 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 3: to the healing power of music. 20 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: Demi, welcome to the show. 21 00:00:57,320 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me. How are you? 22 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 3: I am doing fantastic? Thank you, And I have my 23 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:06,399 Speaker 3: first question. I don't want to lay it on pretty heavy, 24 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:08,320 Speaker 3: but we usually don't have a ton of time. So 25 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 3: my first question to you is tell us why you 26 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 3: want your voice to be heard and why music, in 27 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 3: your opinion, saves so many of us. 28 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, Well, I think for me personally, music 29 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 2: has been my way of expressing myself. And from a 30 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 2: young age, I started as a classical pianist, and so 31 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 2: in that time, I didn't have words. I only had 32 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 2: my music, and I would turn to my piano music 33 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 2: all the time, to the point where like I would 34 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 2: play my pieces when I was practicing and we heard 35 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 2: saying for recitals, but also just times when I had 36 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 2: to sit down and just get my emotions out and 37 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 2: just improvise. And I felt like music through my piano 38 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 2: music was a way for me to express myself and 39 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 2: process my emotions. And now as a songwriter, it's even 40 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 2: more than that because I'm able to use my voice 41 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 2: and speak through my lyrics and combine all that with 42 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 2: the music and the storytelling that I love so much 43 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 2: from music. And I think music has the ability to 44 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 2: save so many because it is a universal language. And 45 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 2: I know for me personally, there have been so many 46 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 2: times in my life where I was just going about 47 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 2: my day and I needed a song, and I would 48 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 2: just stumble upon the song that I needed so desperately 49 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 2: at that time, and it just gave me peace, and 50 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 2: it gave me the understanding that wasn't alone and that 51 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 2: others were experiencing the same things as me. And so 52 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 2: I feel like many of us, if not all of us, 53 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:34,079 Speaker 2: have experienced that at one point or another. 54 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:38,360 Speaker 3: Can you give me an idea for an example, what 55 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 3: could you have been going through in your day exactly 56 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 3: or maybe not exactly but similar, and what song did 57 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 3: you helped you get through that moment? 58 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a perfect example for this. So I'm 59 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 2: not sure if you know the song Homecoming Queen by 60 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:53,919 Speaker 2: Koci Balerini. Oh yes, but it's one of my favorite 61 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 2: country songs. I actually recorded my own rendition because it's 62 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 2: so special to me and at that time. But it's 63 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 2: basically about how on the outside you can look all 64 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 2: put together, like a homecoming queen, Like she's like all 65 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 2: done up, she's like wearing her heels, and like everybody 66 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 2: thinks she's living the life right, she had nothing going on, 67 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:13,360 Speaker 2: But what people don't know, What's what's going on behind 68 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 2: closed doors? When the curtain comes down, you know, she's 69 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 2: dealing with stuff. Two And I always tried so hard 70 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 2: throughout my whole life to not let anyone know that 71 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 2: I was going through difficult things because I don't want 72 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 2: to be a burden on others. I've always been someone 73 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 2: to just deal with things on my own, and so 74 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 2: on the outside, a lot of people could look at 75 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 2: me and go, oh, she's like she had the best life, 76 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 2: Like she had nothing going on that's challenging. But that 77 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 2: wasn't the truth. And when I heard that song, I 78 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 2: cried the first time I heard it because I was like, 79 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 2: oh my goodness, Like, I literally feel like Kelsey wrote 80 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 2: this song for me, and I've had such a strong 81 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 2: attachment to that song. I ended up recording my own 82 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 2: version because that song definitely was there for me at 83 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 2: the time I needed it. 84 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 3: Well, with that said, do you do you believe that 85 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 3: music has a therapeutic healing power? 86 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 2: One percent? Absolutely, absolutely for sure. 87 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 3: Now, can you talk a little bit about some of 88 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 3: your specific songs that you feel have touched others in 89 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 3: that similar healing way. 90 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, Wow, I feel like it's so hard 91 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 2: to pick one, just because I feel like we all 92 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 2: relate to music in different ways, and a song that 93 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 2: I connect to someone else may not and the other 94 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 2: way around. So I'm not sure if there's like a 95 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:33,480 Speaker 2: single song that I would say a lot of people 96 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:36,280 Speaker 2: like automatically go to that one because it's such an 97 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 2: individualistic experience. And I think that's what's so beautiful about 98 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 2: music is a songwriter could write a song, put it 99 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 2: out there, and a thousand people can hear it, and 100 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:48,600 Speaker 2: I'll have different connections to that song based on their 101 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 2: own personal experience. So I think it is very rooted 102 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 2: in personal experience. So I'm not sure if like any 103 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 2: specific ones are coming to mind at the moment. 104 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 3: Well, if you have you been there and witnessed people 105 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 3: hearing your music for the first time who may not 106 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 3: be necessarily going through a great time in their life, 107 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:09,039 Speaker 3: and seeing that effect that your song had on them, Yeah, no, 108 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 3: for sure. 109 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 2: And even too, like back when I was doing piano, 110 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:16,720 Speaker 2: I've had multiple people like after I did a recital, 111 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 2: multiple people have come up to me and told me 112 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:22,160 Speaker 2: that they were crying as I was playing. And when 113 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:24,599 Speaker 2: I was so young, and I started at age ten, 114 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 2: so when I was that young, I didn't fully understand 115 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:29,479 Speaker 2: because I'm like, I'm just plain notes like how is 116 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 2: that making you cry? But then like as I got older, 117 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 2: I really recognized that like music has the ability to 118 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:40,280 Speaker 2: really resonate, and for my songwriting specifically, there is one 119 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 2: song that I wrote that people have definitely connected to, 120 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 2: which is INDI or one is called kind Heart, and 121 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 2: it was the lead single off my new album Hear 122 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 2: Me Out that's coming out on Octuaber twenty third, August 123 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 2: twenty third, sorry, August twenty third, And that song I 124 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 2: basically wrote it was a very vulnerable period of my 125 00:05:56,800 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 2: life where I felt like I was I always see 126 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 2: myself as a kind person. I like to give, I 127 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:06,919 Speaker 2: don't expect anything back, and I realized that being kind 128 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 2: all the time does have challenges if you keep giving 129 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 2: and giving and no one's reciprocating, or if people are 130 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,600 Speaker 2: taking advantage of your kindness, Like that's not a fun 131 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:17,799 Speaker 2: thing to experience. And people always say that kindness doesn't 132 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 2: cost anything and being nice goes a long way, but 133 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 2: that's very true. But at the same time, I feel 134 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:24,359 Speaker 2: like it's hard having a kind heart, which is what 135 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 2: the song is about. And when I started to perform 136 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 2: that one, and when I released it, I got so 137 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 2: many messages from people saying like, oh my gosh, that 138 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 2: song like it resonates so much because when we're kind, 139 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 2: we don't really show on the outside the challenges that 140 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 2: we're facing inside because we just want to be that 141 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 2: kind person. So that's an example of one of mine. 142 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:44,599 Speaker 1: Wow, you talk like you're writing a song as you speak. 143 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 2: It's just wonderful. 144 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 1: What does it mean to you personally? 145 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:52,480 Speaker 3: I know it must seem weird because it's like an 146 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 3: out of body thing when someone comes up to you 147 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 3: and like, oh my god, But what really do you 148 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:00,480 Speaker 3: feel when someone tells you how much your music means 149 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 3: to them and how it got them through a tough time. 150 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 2: It's just a real feeling, and I think that's the 151 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 2: greatest reward that a songwriter could ever have. Yes, it's 152 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 2: fun to get award nominations and to win awards and 153 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 2: to play shows and to do interviews like it's all 154 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 2: very fun. But I started writing music because I needed 155 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 2: to process my missions and I needed to tell my story, 156 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 2: and it's very difficult for me to just talk to 157 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 2: someone about what I'm going through. Songwriting has always been 158 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 2: my way of speaking in ways that I can't just 159 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 2: through words, and so that's why I wrote my music. 160 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 2: And when I would get messages and hear from people 161 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 2: that they connected to my music and meant something to them, 162 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 2: or it felt they felt seeing through listening to my music, 163 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 2: it's just so wild to me because nowadays, I mean, 164 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 2: you can upload a song on Spotify and it's available worldwide, 165 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 2: and I've heard comments from people from all over the world. 166 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 2: One coming to mind is there is a radio presenter 167 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 2: in Australia and I didn't know of him at the time, 168 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 2: and he stumbled upon my EP it is what it is, 169 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 2: and he messaged me on Twitter like out of the 170 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 2: blue one night and basically said, like this very very 171 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 2: long long message about it. He came across my EP 172 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 2: and it was hard for him to get through some 173 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 2: of the songs because it felt like I wrote those 174 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 2: songs at a time that he needed to hear them, 175 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 2: and he just thanked me so much for writing the EP, 176 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 2: and I was just staring at my phone like I 177 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 2: cannot believe I just got this message, because it's just 178 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 2: so surreal. And that's like all a songwriter can hope 179 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,839 Speaker 2: for is for listeners to connect to our music. 180 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:35,439 Speaker 1: That's so true. 181 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 3: It's kind of like your superhero and that it's your superpower. 182 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,079 Speaker 2: Right exactly, Yeah, for sure. 183 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 1: All right, I have one one final question for you. 184 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: It's a little bit dark. 185 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 3: Well it depends on how you interpret it, but what 186 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 3: do you what do you think that the world would 187 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 3: be today if there was no music? 188 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, I don't even want to think about that. 189 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 2: That'd be like I just don't like, Oh my goodness, 190 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 2: I truly have no idea. It would be a dark world. 191 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 2: I don't know. I just imagine, like there's music all around, 192 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 2: Like you're driving in the car, you have music on. 193 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:15,559 Speaker 2: You walk into a shop to go like dress shopping, 194 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 2: and there's music playing. Like I can't imagine a life 195 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 2: without music. And I think, just reflecting on that, I 196 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 2: think just for everyone all around the world, I think 197 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 2: that we can appreciate music more. I know sometimes it 198 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 2: can be seen as this thing in the background, and 199 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 2: that's very true many instances, but if you stop and 200 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 2: think about it, the world would be so silent without music, 201 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 2: and songs would not be able to heal songwriters and 202 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 2: listeners if we didn't have music. And so I think 203 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 2: that it's such a calming part of life that sometimes 204 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 2: it can be like lost over or just looked upon it. Oh, 205 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 2: that's just part of life. But if you really think 206 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 2: about it, it's something very special and very meaningful to 207 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 2: so many and so I truly can't imagine a world 208 00:09:58,400 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 2: without music. 209 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 3: Doctor Demi Michelle, that's what your new nickname described in 210 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 3: her bio as heartfelt, charismatic, and authentic. And I get 211 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:12,320 Speaker 3: to tell you that really couldn't be more true. Talking 212 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 3: with you has been. 213 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: Oh, thank you, total delight. 214 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 3: Your new album comes out August twenty fourth, just let 215 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 3: everybody know, and it's called Hear Me Out. 216 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:23,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's coming Yeah, So hear Me Out is 217 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 2: an ah Rak album. August twenty third is actually coming 218 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 2: out the weekend. I'm traveling to Atlanta for the International 219 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 2: Singer Songwriters Association Awards. I have five nominations for that. 220 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 2: I'm also performing at the after party, so it's gonna 221 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 2: be a very fun weekend. This album has been in 222 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 2: the making for a while, and I feel like I 223 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 2: finally discovered who I want to be as a songwriter 224 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 2: and what I want to say. And I'm using my 225 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 2: voice in this album like Number Before, which is why 226 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 2: it's called hear Me Out, and so I hope everyone 227 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 2: loves that one's out. 228 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:54,199 Speaker 3: Well, thank you so much, Demi for coming on music 229 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 3: save Me and sharing your stories and continue to spread 230 00:10:57,600 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 3: joy through your words and your music and best of 231 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 3: life with that party and your nominations and the album 232 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 3: release and hopefully you'll come back and talk to us 233 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 3: when you're like so huge that we won't even know 234 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 3: how to get a hold of you. 235 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 2: And well, thank you so much. It's been an honor 236 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 2: of being here.