WEBVTT - Cowboys Break: Needing a Charge? 0:00:06.640 --> 0:00:09.240 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:09.240 --> 0:00:20.919 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Lets go. Are you 0:00:20.960 --> 0:00:25.079 ready for a break? Yes? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely? 0:00:25.239 --> 0:00:29.440 Ready for a break? Yeah, And so much for that. 0:00:29.640 --> 0:00:34.800 It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:35.560 --> 0:00:41.120 with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton. 0:00:42.280 --> 0:00:46.280 It is Thursday, September sixteenth, twenty twenty one, season seventeen, 0:00:46.600 --> 0:00:49.560 episode number twenty two. Welcome to the latest edition of 0:00:49.600 --> 0:00:52.239 The Break, live from the s WBC Mortgage Studios. At 0:00:52.240 --> 0:00:54.360 the start, we got so much to talk about today. 0:00:54.520 --> 0:00:57.319 Cowboys got big news. It ain't great. We're gonna talk 0:00:57.360 --> 0:00:59.680 about what it means to the team. We're also gonna 0:00:59.720 --> 0:01:02.200 get into too in the second segment, the Cowboys offense 0:01:02.320 --> 0:01:05.920 versus the Charger defense. Well book Bucky Brooks joining us 0:01:05.959 --> 0:01:09.000 as usual on a Thursday, and then we'll talk a 0:01:09.040 --> 0:01:11.520 little bit more about that matchup and some interesting things 0:01:11.520 --> 0:01:13.640 that were said earlier in the week that might affect 0:01:14.080 --> 0:01:17.319 the matchup from the defense and special teams part of 0:01:17.360 --> 0:01:21.080 this team. Let's start first with the news to Marcus Lawrence. 0:01:21.120 --> 0:01:25.080 We find out yesterday afternoon that he has broken his foot, 0:01:25.520 --> 0:01:28.360 and I guess at this point the first question is 0:01:28.640 --> 0:01:30.960 what are we expecting as far as timeline on when 0:01:31.000 --> 0:01:35.119 you can maybe expect him to be back two months yep, 0:01:35.480 --> 0:01:38.440 six to eight weeks. But I mean there's no wig. 0:01:39.040 --> 0:01:40.360 Is this one of those things where was it a 0:01:40.400 --> 0:01:43.360 sixth d eight week? Because sometimes before the coach says it, 0:01:43.520 --> 0:01:46.040 like there's just the speculations. You know, you have the 0:01:46.080 --> 0:01:48.960 people out there that are sports doctors on Twitter that say, hey, 0:01:48.960 --> 0:01:51.080 this is typically sixth eight or is this like, hey, 0:01:51.280 --> 0:01:52.840 pretty much that it was a sixty eight. The thing 0:01:52.880 --> 0:01:56.880 about broken bones from and certainly not a doctor, and 0:01:56.960 --> 0:01:59.360 I stayed at home last night, so I don't know anything. 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:03.960 All I'm saying is this, like broken bones are good 0:02:03.960 --> 0:02:05.800 and bad for the same reason. I mean, it's like 0:02:05.960 --> 0:02:08.800 it's a broken bone. It's it's not gonna probably be 0:02:08.840 --> 0:02:10.720 a lot less than that. It's not going to be 0:02:10.720 --> 0:02:13.079 for oh, that he actually healed. I mean something. Bones 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:14.959 do heal differently, but for the most part, it's a 0:02:14.960 --> 0:02:17.440 broken bone. Now it's also a broken bone, and it's 0:02:17.480 --> 0:02:19.519 and it's like it'll heal, and when it heals, you 0:02:19.520 --> 0:02:22.239 should be ready to go. So it's kind of I 0:02:22.280 --> 0:02:25.840 think these are the timetables that are typically spot on, 0:02:26.480 --> 0:02:29.400 you know, six to eight wiggle ruin, but nothing that 0:02:29.480 --> 0:02:33.480 should linger too much. It's also it's a bone in 0:02:33.520 --> 0:02:37.720 the probably the worst place, just because of how much 0:02:38.280 --> 0:02:40.960 you need your foot. I mean, obviously you put weight 0:02:41.000 --> 0:02:43.760 on it, but playing defensive end is so much about 0:02:43.840 --> 0:02:47.440 bend and kind of torquing, and you flex your foot 0:02:47.480 --> 0:02:50.480 and put your foot in weird positions. The reason I 0:02:50.480 --> 0:02:53.160 said two months is just everything we've heard is that 0:02:53.200 --> 0:02:55.480 this is very similar to the injury he suffered when 0:02:55.480 --> 0:02:57.799 he was a rookie way back when, and that happened 0:02:57.840 --> 0:03:01.480 in August and he didn't play until November. Second, which 0:03:01.840 --> 0:03:04.560 it's a little different, I will acknowledge, because you got 0:03:04.560 --> 0:03:07.520 to remember the rules were vastly different back then. Like 0:03:07.560 --> 0:03:09.919 if you go on IR to return, that's eight it 0:03:10.240 --> 0:03:12.600 was eight weeks. It was eight weeks minimum. So part 0:03:12.600 --> 0:03:15.320 of that was that he was already on part of that, right, 0:03:15.960 --> 0:03:18.000 So if it's a three week I are maybe he 0:03:18.040 --> 0:03:19.680 can come back a little sooner than that. But this 0:03:19.760 --> 0:03:22.000 is this is a six to eight week injury. And 0:03:22.040 --> 0:03:25.440 when you think about your foot like this isn't your 0:03:25.440 --> 0:03:27.560 hand where you can wrap that in some gauze and 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:30.440 go play and fight through the pain like you need. 0:03:30.840 --> 0:03:33.400 You need your foot to play anything in football, but 0:03:33.520 --> 0:03:37.520 defensive end for sure. So I leaned toward the longer 0:03:37.600 --> 0:03:39.960 end of the timeline just because it's not something that 0:03:40.000 --> 0:03:42.440 you want to rush back and reinjure. When you get 0:03:42.480 --> 0:03:45.600 out there and start ian, you think about leveraging against 0:03:45.600 --> 0:03:47.560 guys and putting weight on your foot and how much 0:03:47.600 --> 0:03:49.920 that plays into it. So, I mean, even we need 0:03:49.920 --> 0:03:52.520 two returns after six to eight weeks, my assumptions it's 0:03:52.560 --> 0:03:54.320 going to take a little while for him to get 0:03:54.560 --> 0:03:57.320 built back up again to be able to play coming 0:03:57.320 --> 0:03:59.440 off a foot injury like that. Right, It's it's a 0:03:59.480 --> 0:04:02.360 brutal lost. There's no way around it. Our pets heads 0:04:02.400 --> 0:04:06.360 are fallen off. So what what What is the thing 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:10.040 that this team misses the most? Without DeMarcus Lawrence, they 0:04:10.080 --> 0:04:15.560 don't have of proven past rusher, slash, disruptive defensive end. 0:04:15.760 --> 0:04:18.360 They definitely don't have one right now because Randy Gregory's 0:04:18.400 --> 0:04:21.600 on the COVID list. But and we all love Randy 0:04:21.600 --> 0:04:23.880 and it's a great story, but even he does not 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:28.760 have the resume of DeMarcus Lawrence. He's got ten career sacksum. 0:04:29.040 --> 0:04:33.800 He's not as dynamic as a weird word, but he's 0:04:33.839 --> 0:04:35.960 not as awesome in the run game. He's good. Like 0:04:36.279 --> 0:04:38.320 Randy Gregory is a good player. DeMarcus Lawrence is a 0:04:38.360 --> 0:04:41.600 great player. They do not have another. Yeah, they don't 0:04:41.600 --> 0:04:44.960 have another. That's harsh to say. A good player like 0:04:45.320 --> 0:04:47.880 Randy Gregory and DeMarcus Lawrence is the best that they've got. 0:04:47.880 --> 0:04:50.360 They already didn't have Neville Gallimore and they lost him 0:04:50.400 --> 0:04:54.440 in August. Like they got a bunch of journeymen and 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:57.920 unproven young players all over their defensive line, and they 0:04:58.040 --> 0:05:02.080 just it's it's a tough blow to when you think 0:05:02.120 --> 0:05:05.080 about it. The four guys that I think most of 0:05:05.120 --> 0:05:08.960 us would have penciled in as their starters going before 0:05:08.960 --> 0:05:11.440 we got to training camp, all four of them will 0:05:11.480 --> 0:05:14.280 miss this game. You would think about Lawrence Gregory at 0:05:14.320 --> 0:05:16.880 that ends, you would think probably Tristan Hill was a 0:05:16.920 --> 0:05:18.400 guy that we would think. It was probably gonna be 0:05:18.400 --> 0:05:21.240 about Galimore you thought was going to be a starter. 0:05:21.480 --> 0:05:23.240 So all four of the guys you thought would be 0:05:23.279 --> 0:05:25.560 the starter back in the off season, all four of 0:05:25.600 --> 0:05:27.159 them will be out this game, and you think, like 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:29.200 training camp, it was easy to say, like, oh, like 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:31.400 they've got a lot of depth on the defensive line, 0:05:31.400 --> 0:05:33.839 and that was true in the sense of bodies, but 0:05:34.000 --> 0:05:36.880 their depth in the sense of guys that you felt 0:05:36.880 --> 0:05:42.280 excited about was Randy, DeMarcus Neville Gallimore. They're not gonna 0:05:42.320 --> 0:05:44.360 have any of the three of them probably for this game, 0:05:44.400 --> 0:05:46.960 and obviously it's going to be a bit of a 0:05:46.960 --> 0:05:50.760 weight on Gallimore and DeMarcus Nick. Do you think that, Sorry, 0:05:50.800 --> 0:05:55.480 I was just I mean, I'm reluctant to just completely 0:05:55.560 --> 0:05:59.520 rule out Gregory. It's fair, but after what we heard 0:05:59.560 --> 0:06:02.440 from Zack Martin, and I know they have different symptoms 0:06:02.440 --> 0:06:05.080 and all that, but like Zach Martin basically said yesterday 0:06:05.120 --> 0:06:06.960 that he was never going to play and it was 0:06:07.000 --> 0:06:08.599 never even close that he was going to play. He 0:06:08.720 --> 0:06:12.640 kind of he like dismissed it as kind of crazy talk, really, 0:06:13.120 --> 0:06:15.200 but yeah, that's he did that on a couple of 0:06:15.240 --> 0:06:20.159 things he did. Now he there's been some talk a 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:23.679 little bit about, oh, he doesn't want to play right tackle, 0:06:23.800 --> 0:06:26.440 he only will play right guard. He said he'll do 0:06:26.520 --> 0:06:28.680 whatever it is that the team wants, which is why 0:06:28.680 --> 0:06:31.440 I kind of thought the situation right ahead, But he 0:06:31.560 --> 0:06:33.800 also made it clear he's a right guard and that's 0:06:33.800 --> 0:06:35.800 where he wants to be, and why not. There's nothing 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:37.960 wrong with that. If I'm if I'm an elite at 0:06:38.400 --> 0:06:41.000 one thing, if I did one thing at the best 0:06:41.000 --> 0:06:43.159 of anyone's ever done it, I don't want to do 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:45.320 something else right, And I think that's kind of how 0:06:45.360 --> 0:06:47.880 the team is approaching it. It's going to require the 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:51.040 wheels falling off with Terrence Steele or tie in Secy 0:06:51.120 --> 0:06:53.480 at right tackle before they make that kind of move, 0:06:53.600 --> 0:06:55.360 which and he said that as well. He's like last 0:06:55.400 --> 0:06:58.559 year was a completely different circumstance. We were down six 0:06:58.640 --> 0:07:03.160 tackles instead of one. And you know what, I get it. 0:07:03.800 --> 0:07:08.440 I get it, and well let's you know, there's work. 0:07:08.480 --> 0:07:10.560 It sounds like we're gonna be without Lyle for a while. 0:07:10.640 --> 0:07:12.920 Like you know, that's a murky situation all on its own, 0:07:12.960 --> 0:07:16.520 but you can adjust as this goes along. But try 0:07:16.560 --> 0:07:18.560 it out. You got you can try them both. You 0:07:18.600 --> 0:07:22.120 can give them help and we we've done this before. 0:07:22.160 --> 0:07:23.960 I know it was brutal last year, but like we've 0:07:24.000 --> 0:07:26.120 had games where we didn't have these guys since the 0:07:26.200 --> 0:07:30.040 Chazz Green game and it's been okay, so it's you 0:07:30.080 --> 0:07:33.400 know that I'm coming to terms. I'm coming. I'm making 0:07:33.440 --> 0:07:35.640 peace with that situation as we go through the week. 0:07:35.760 --> 0:07:37.520 You know what I was thinking of as I was 0:07:37.600 --> 0:07:42.720 driving today, and Dave helped me with math. Here, no, no, no, 0:07:42.880 --> 0:07:45.120 I think you can do this before me. Okay. So 0:07:45.280 --> 0:07:48.960 here we are, second game of the season, and and 0:07:49.040 --> 0:07:52.760 you've got Gallop gonna miss let's say four games, three 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:55.840 to five. Let's just say he misses four games. We've 0:07:55.880 --> 0:08:00.920 got Tank now it's gonna miss six games. Okay, so 0:08:00.920 --> 0:08:03.920 we're at ten, and then now you've got who else 0:08:04.040 --> 0:08:08.360 is Za Zach Lyle. That's five games. Zach missed the game, 0:08:08.680 --> 0:08:12.560 Gregory probably gonna miss a game. So we've got seventeen eighteen, 0:08:13.040 --> 0:08:17.360 six sixteen, okay, sixteen games here in the first you know, 0:08:17.640 --> 0:08:20.440 early part of the season. Have we seen any of 0:08:20.440 --> 0:08:23.760 the injuries? I mean, we haven't seen one thing that 0:08:23.880 --> 0:08:26.080 happened that led to all this. Now, when Dak went down, 0:08:26.120 --> 0:08:29.840 everyone unfortunately saw that. It was nasty and terrible. When 0:08:29.880 --> 0:08:32.160 you saw it and you're like, this is terrible. I 0:08:32.200 --> 0:08:34.280 don't know if anyone saw great. Mean, I didn't see 0:08:34.320 --> 0:08:36.360 Gallup go off. I mean just all of a sudden, 0:08:36.360 --> 0:08:38.400 he's hurt. No one saw other than the people on 0:08:38.480 --> 0:08:40.720 the field. No one saw Tank, you know, no one 0:08:40.800 --> 0:08:42.680 saw these things. You don't see, of course, you don't 0:08:42.679 --> 0:08:45.360 see failed tests or anything like that. Next thing, you know, 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:47.400 you just look it up, it's like, oh, he's gone. 0:08:47.440 --> 0:08:49.360 You know. I'm not saying it makes it better or worse, 0:08:49.400 --> 0:08:51.760 but it's just kind of weird when you're like, um, 0:08:52.400 --> 0:08:54.520 this is not happening. You know, you didn't see it, 0:08:54.559 --> 0:08:56.840 but trust me, he's got a broken foot, or he 0:08:56.960 --> 0:08:59.960 failed his test, or he's got COVID, you know, whatever 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:02.480 it is. It's like dang. I mean, at least you'd 0:09:02.520 --> 0:09:04.520 like to kind of see it for yourself and say, oh, 0:09:04.679 --> 0:09:07.400 that's why he's out. Tristan Hill last year, Yeah, that's 0:09:07.400 --> 0:09:10.360 why he's out. No, it's just kind of behind closed doors, 0:09:10.400 --> 0:09:13.520 like these things are happening that are derailing this team early. 0:09:14.080 --> 0:09:16.320 So you look at what's happening right now with the 0:09:16.360 --> 0:09:20.680 loss of Gregory, you got guys like Role Basham and Armstrong. 0:09:20.800 --> 0:09:24.280 Darn's Armstrong. That will probably be the guys that will 0:09:24.320 --> 0:09:25.800 have to pick up the slack. Do you think either 0:09:25.840 --> 0:09:27.880 one of those guys is capable of getting into that 0:09:28.679 --> 0:09:32.560 five to eight sacks on the year type role. Do 0:09:32.559 --> 0:09:34.319 you think they could provide that or do you think 0:09:34.320 --> 0:09:36.840 this is just a situation where if Gregory isn't getting 0:09:36.840 --> 0:09:38.520 the sacks, everybody else is gonna be down that two 0:09:38.559 --> 0:09:41.760 to three range and you're basically gonna have to manufacture 0:09:41.800 --> 0:09:43.920 sacks by blitzing and doing that kind of thing. Five 0:09:44.000 --> 0:09:46.360 to eight is not I mean, that's okay, but I 0:09:46.360 --> 0:09:49.199 mean I think about I can think of two players 0:09:49.240 --> 0:09:52.320 that had in that range in the last ten years, 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:56.839 like Mensi and Selvy and necessarily in the role right 0:09:57.000 --> 0:09:59.440 And and that's that's with the expectation by the way 0:09:59.520 --> 0:10:01.040 that greg we're on the other side, is going to 0:10:01.120 --> 0:10:02.839 be your guy, Like that's the guy that's going to 0:10:02.920 --> 0:10:05.000 get the bulk of your sacks. Can this guy play 0:10:05.040 --> 0:10:08.560 the complimentary role and getting that five to eight sack range? 0:10:08.640 --> 0:10:11.320 I mean, this is was it this show where we 0:10:11.320 --> 0:10:15.080 were saying, you know, there's even the worst offense in 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:17.000 the league has got to have a go to receiver. 0:10:17.080 --> 0:10:19.480 You know, the stats have to come from somewhere. You're 0:10:19.480 --> 0:10:23.760 gonna probably have twenty five to thirty five whatever the 0:10:23.840 --> 0:10:26.880 number of Sacks is so just from a statistical standpoint, 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:31.679 I guess so, But no, no, I don't really well, 0:10:31.760 --> 0:10:34.360 I don't see either one of those guys becoming like 0:10:34.440 --> 0:10:39.360 a complimentary player that you feel good about, I guess, 0:10:39.400 --> 0:10:42.120 And I mean, if I'm the Cowboys, I need to 0:10:42.160 --> 0:10:44.720 go do something. And I'm I'm not saying they need 0:10:44.760 --> 0:10:46.880 to move having an earth like an Amari Cooper type 0:10:46.880 --> 0:10:50.960 of situation, but like they need an edge rusher who's 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:52.679 not on this team right now. Can I paint a 0:10:52.720 --> 0:10:55.080 picture for you, guys, you look at a guy like 0:10:55.160 --> 0:10:58.440 Dorn's Armstrong. I'm not any way suggesting he's at the 0:10:58.520 --> 0:11:01.080 level of either of the guys that are parting, But 0:11:01.120 --> 0:11:02.920 the one thing you can say about Dare's Armstrong is 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:04.480 from the time that he's gotten here, it seems like 0:11:04.520 --> 0:11:06.040 every year he gets a little bit better and a 0:11:06.040 --> 0:11:07.880 little bit better. And this last year during camp, I 0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:09.880 think he was as good as we've ever seen him. 0:11:10.000 --> 0:11:12.600 Even last week he makes a play that that could 0:11:12.600 --> 0:11:14.920 have turned down, like he got quite there. But you're 0:11:14.960 --> 0:11:18.080 like you saw a flash, right. Is he a guy 0:11:18.120 --> 0:11:20.840 that maybe is at that point where he may turn 0:11:20.880 --> 0:11:25.240 into a complimentary type pass rusher he's good against the run. 0:11:25.440 --> 0:11:27.920 So is this maybe the guy that might end up 0:11:27.960 --> 0:11:30.280 being your guy that maybe has an opportunity here to 0:11:30.280 --> 0:11:33.160 step up and maybe fill that role show me. Yeah, 0:11:33.200 --> 0:11:35.360 that's all fair, Yeah, absolutely fair. But I'm saying, like 0:11:35.920 --> 0:11:39.800 before you go, before you to take the step of 0:11:39.960 --> 0:11:42.439 going out and getting someone else, would you like to 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:44.160 at least see what maybe he can do in that 0:11:44.200 --> 0:11:47.840 type of situation. No, because you need you probably need 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:50.800 four anyway, and they don't. They won't have that until 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:53.440 Tank comes back. I think I think Durrance is the 0:11:53.480 --> 0:11:55.680 reason why you don't think you need to get two guys, 0:11:56.120 --> 0:11:58.160 you know. I think I think you need to get someone. 0:11:58.280 --> 0:12:00.520 You need to get some experienced help if you can. 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:03.320 And we all know if there's a pass rusher that's 0:12:03.320 --> 0:12:05.760 not not playing a lot or out on the street, 0:12:05.800 --> 0:12:08.920 and there's other reasons why people. I mean, I get 0:12:08.960 --> 0:12:11.840 that the market, the market's not amazing. I don't know 0:12:11.840 --> 0:12:14.080 that you're gonna find a lot better talent just sitting 0:12:14.080 --> 0:12:16.199 on this show. I think I heard a few names 0:12:16.200 --> 0:12:18.880 and one of them was drafted here right. Yeah, Yeah, 0:12:18.920 --> 0:12:21.240 that that ain't I know, I can't see that happening. 0:12:21.360 --> 0:12:24.000 You stick with what you get. I mean, i'd move 0:12:24.120 --> 0:12:25.719 Urban out before I do that. I don't know his 0:12:25.840 --> 0:12:28.320 sit talking about Taco Charles, Yeah, yeah, I don't know 0:12:28.360 --> 0:12:31.240 his situation. But Olivier Vernon is available. It makes me 0:12:31.280 --> 0:12:33.640 wonder if he's dealing with an injury. You need to 0:12:33.640 --> 0:12:36.040 look into that. But yeah, he played well for the 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:38.760 Browns last year. Tell me what's the issue with um? 0:12:39.679 --> 0:12:43.040 What's the guys? Was he with the Falcons first round pick? No, 0:12:43.600 --> 0:12:47.240 I'm missing oh Vic Beasley? Yeah, what's his deal? I'm 0:12:47.600 --> 0:12:52.360 I mean I think he might he might be washed, 0:12:52.720 --> 0:12:55.800 just in terms of he wasn't playing well anymore well 0:12:55.840 --> 0:12:58.719 and and he was with Atlanta, right, Yeah, well he 0:12:59.200 --> 0:13:02.280 was with Atlanta that they cut him like Atlanta was 0:13:02.320 --> 0:13:04.800 like thank you for your services. So that that's one 0:13:04.800 --> 0:13:06.800 of those things again where people try to connect the 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:09.800 dots and say, oh, this guy was just talking about 0:13:09.800 --> 0:13:12.600 the other day. It might be like, yeah, we're okay, yeah, 0:13:12.640 --> 0:13:15.880 we're good here. Um, Olivia Vernon tore his achilles in 0:13:15.920 --> 0:13:18.000 the playoffs, that's right. So I don't know where he is. 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:20.720 I don't know where he is in his recovery from that. No, 0:13:20.880 --> 0:13:24.520 it's nine months that age achilles I'm good, like, I 0:13:24.559 --> 0:13:26.320 don't know. I don't know if I think that's better 0:13:26.320 --> 0:13:29.480 than what you got it? Have you need Bradley and 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:35.280 I to step up? Or if I'm saying this, but 0:13:36.080 --> 0:13:41.280 Kamara Okay, Okay, I mean, well, some somebody has to Okay, 0:13:41.280 --> 0:13:43.679 I mean, would they consider making Urban a defensive end? 0:13:43.679 --> 0:13:46.800 You know what I would do? Honestly, I'm I'm I'm 0:13:46.840 --> 0:13:50.440 rushing Jalen Smith off the edge. I certainly would not 0:13:50.520 --> 0:13:53.840 every play, not every snap, but um, I'd rather rush 0:13:53.920 --> 0:13:57.160 Parsons off the edge. Well, but you can't just know 0:13:57.160 --> 0:13:58.560 what I'm what I'm saying. What I'm saying is I 0:13:58.559 --> 0:14:00.360 would use him in that role, and maybe we have 0:14:00.480 --> 0:14:03.760 Jalen playing a little more linebacker when they're in the middle. 0:14:03.800 --> 0:14:05.640 Like That's the way I would look at it, because 0:14:05.640 --> 0:14:07.360 I think Parsons is a better I know, but I 0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:10.240 think Parsons is a better pass rusher than Jalen is. 0:14:10.960 --> 0:14:14.040 I think blitzing is gonna need to be a larger 0:14:14.080 --> 0:14:16.600 part of this game. I agree. That's what I don't 0:14:16.760 --> 0:14:20.440 I'm sending safeties and corners. I'm I'm sending all kinds 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:23.680 of stuff. Think the thing about Jalen is that. I mean, 0:14:24.200 --> 0:14:27.480 he he's a physical presence. I mean him, he's got 0:14:27.480 --> 0:14:31.240 the stature, he's he's taller, he's bigger. I'm not saying 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:33.520 he's gonna be great at it, but he's when he's 0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:38.280 going north, he's he's not terrible when he I agree 0:14:38.320 --> 0:14:40.120 with you, and that's if you want to blitz him 0:14:40.120 --> 0:14:43.120 through the A gap, go for it. But I'm imagining, like, 0:14:43.160 --> 0:14:46.640 what's Jalen's issue. He's not explosive. What do you need 0:14:46.680 --> 0:14:49.040 to be to get around the corner on an NFL 0:14:49.080 --> 0:14:52.600 offensive tackle? Explosive? And I just don't know how that's 0:14:52.600 --> 0:14:54.160 gonna go for it. And the other thing to notice 0:14:54.200 --> 0:14:57.920 about Jalen is when he actually is blitzing, He's not 0:14:57.960 --> 0:14:59.800 the guy that has moves. If you get on him, 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:02.280 he's not getting off. If you're gonna rush him from 0:15:02.280 --> 0:15:04.520 the outside, he better have some moves. And I don't 0:15:04.560 --> 0:15:06.280 expect that he does. So I don't know that I 0:15:06.280 --> 0:15:08.720 would use him all. I gotta play him somewhere, So 0:15:08.880 --> 0:15:10.760 I mean, maybe you don't. Yeah, you only had sixteen 0:15:10.760 --> 0:15:14.560 snaps last week, so I don't know. I mean you 0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:16.920 don't necessarily have to. You know, you said it before. 0:15:17.200 --> 0:15:19.840 If Jay Layton is the guy that maybe needs to 0:15:19.840 --> 0:15:21.840 get more snaps. So if you're gonna do that, I 0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:23.840 would say maybe you use Layton a little bit more 0:15:23.880 --> 0:15:25.640 in the middle. And if you want to take a 0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:28.080 couple of snaps where you put Parsons on the edge 0:15:28.080 --> 0:15:29.960 and let him rush from the edge, I think maybe 0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:32.160 that's something worth saying. Jordan Lewis is going to be 0:15:32.240 --> 0:15:34.840 rushing from the edge, hear that, I mean from the slot, 0:15:34.880 --> 0:15:37.360 from the you know, we've seen that he's he's pretty 0:15:37.400 --> 0:15:39.240 good at it, you know, like corner blitz is and 0:15:39.280 --> 0:15:41.000 all that. So it's like we said yesterday, it's a 0:15:41.040 --> 0:15:43.280 little bit of everything. And I trust this is where 0:15:43.560 --> 0:15:45.400 this is where you you get dan Quinn to do 0:15:45.880 --> 0:15:48.640 do his job. I mean, like it's not easy, but 0:15:48.680 --> 0:15:51.040 he's gonna have to figure it out and and he'll 0:15:51.120 --> 0:15:53.800 he'll come up with an exotic plan. That's that's what 0:15:53.880 --> 0:15:56.920 you hope. I would take my fifth round pick and 0:15:56.960 --> 0:16:01.360 go find somebody else's to al Basham and that's I mean, 0:16:01.400 --> 0:16:03.560 that's not sexy. I get it. He's not going to 0:16:03.680 --> 0:16:07.440 completely revitalize this thing. But I just think if you 0:16:07.440 --> 0:16:11.040 can find somebody with a track record, because Basham is 0:16:11.080 --> 0:16:13.920 really I mean, Doran's Armstrong is a good player, but 0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:15.920 he's got two and a half career sacks. Basham is 0:16:16.080 --> 0:16:19.080 he's got seven and a half of the ten sacks 0:16:19.120 --> 0:16:21.160 that are left on the roster right now. We would 0:16:21.240 --> 0:16:23.040 you be a little I'll take it a step further. 0:16:23.080 --> 0:16:24.960 I'll I mean, and it may be the same, but 0:16:25.040 --> 0:16:27.680 I would take something. I'll try to get somebody's Dorn's Armstrong. 0:16:27.920 --> 0:16:29.800 And I mean that you're saying the same we are, 0:16:29.920 --> 0:16:32.400 but I don't know about Basham's contract. But a lot 0:16:32.400 --> 0:16:34.400 of times when you're trading, you're training for contract and 0:16:34.440 --> 0:16:36.480 you're like, okay, well, some team would be like because 0:16:36.520 --> 0:16:38.840 if someone called, maybe not this week, but if they 0:16:38.880 --> 0:16:41.040 would have called before and offered a fourth or fifth 0:16:41.120 --> 0:16:44.760 round pick for Doran's Armstrong, you do it. He's gonna 0:16:44.800 --> 0:16:46.760 be a free agent next year. And you're like, well, 0:16:47.280 --> 0:16:49.520 I mean it's probably the comp pick we would get 0:16:49.560 --> 0:16:51.720 in two years, so you'd probably do it because he's 0:16:51.760 --> 0:16:53.720 contracts though, but you know that team needs him now. 0:16:54.040 --> 0:16:57.080 So there's probably another guy like that in Basham Armstrong, 0:16:57.160 --> 0:16:59.520 same type of thing. But there's a team probably out 0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:02.120 there that's like, this guy's been Okay, he's probably we're 0:17:02.160 --> 0:17:04.000 not We're gonna probably resign on next year, so we'll 0:17:04.000 --> 0:17:06.760 take something for him. Yeah. The only thing I wonder 0:17:06.800 --> 0:17:09.320 about there is just the quality of the guy that 0:17:09.359 --> 0:17:12.119 you're going to get in that kind of scenario. I 0:17:12.119 --> 0:17:14.119 don't know if it's better than than what you got 0:17:14.160 --> 0:17:16.000 to just kind of. I mean, this is a one 0:17:16.040 --> 0:17:19.000 week problem to some degree, because if you get if 0:17:19.040 --> 0:17:22.000 you get Gregory back, then you still have those other 0:17:22.040 --> 0:17:23.800 three and now you got your four man rotation if 0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:26.440 you're including an eye in that. So I think though, 0:17:26.440 --> 0:17:29.160 with the world we're in, you have to always expect 0:17:29.200 --> 0:17:31.919 which guy's gonna get COVID this week and be out true, 0:17:32.240 --> 0:17:34.080 So you have to go a little bit deeper. And 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:37.560 I just think and I and Kamara, I mean they're 0:17:37.680 --> 0:17:40.840 they're not. I don't think that they're there yet. I'm 0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:44.520 with Dave, and I has played eighteen snaps of defense 0:17:44.600 --> 0:17:47.200 to this point in his career and Kamara has played none. 0:17:47.359 --> 0:17:51.280 So I'm not okay, I won't throw names out. I 0:17:51.400 --> 0:17:53.080 want to get us in trouble, But if there was 0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:55.240 certain if there was a player that the Cowboys have 0:17:55.320 --> 0:17:59.240 had like three times here and he's on another team's 0:17:59.280 --> 0:18:01.800 practice squad. But he's been here all of camp, and 0:18:01.880 --> 0:18:04.600 he was here all of camp last year. Would you 0:18:04.600 --> 0:18:08.680 go get him? I wouldn't pay too much for that, 0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:10.280 But you don't have to pay a lot he's on 0:18:10.320 --> 0:18:12.800 the practice squad or just poach him. Yeah, that's fine 0:18:12.800 --> 0:18:14.920 with me. He's been on he's been in the last 0:18:14.920 --> 0:18:19.040 two training camps. If you're going to somebody else's practice squad, 0:18:19.080 --> 0:18:21.199 because then you don't have to worry about giving them 0:18:21.240 --> 0:18:22.800 picks or anything else, Like you can just go get 0:18:22.800 --> 0:18:25.520 a guy out someone's practice squad. So yeah, I think 0:18:25.560 --> 0:18:27.719 that actually makes a lot more sense. That's better than 0:18:27.760 --> 0:18:30.240 going to free agency and trying to find somebody that's 0:18:30.280 --> 0:18:32.760 not on the team at all. Right, So so yeah, 0:18:32.760 --> 0:18:35.240 I mean, and that's more for depth purposes in my opinion. 0:18:35.280 --> 0:18:37.560 That's more for I just need more bodies right now. 0:18:37.600 --> 0:18:40.240 But I just I feel like, right now, if they're 0:18:40.240 --> 0:18:42.399 gonna be able to survive this, it's really going to 0:18:42.480 --> 0:18:47.200 be about those top, those relatively relative top guys bash 0:18:47.320 --> 0:18:51.000 him Armstrong and their ability to step up, because whatever 0:18:51.040 --> 0:18:53.159 you're gonna get from somebody else's practice squad is not 0:18:53.200 --> 0:18:55.320 going to be better than those guys. You really need 0:18:55.359 --> 0:18:57.080 to figure out how if those guys can step up 0:18:57.119 --> 0:18:58.840 and give you some pass rush. Yeah, I would do that. 0:18:59.280 --> 0:19:01.800 There's no way to spend this as you just gotta 0:19:01.880 --> 0:19:04.280 make do with it. It's a tough it's the sandwich. 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