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Speaker 1: It is Thursday, September sixteenth, twenty twenty one, season seventeen,
Speaker 1: episode number twenty two. Welcome to the latest edition of
Speaker 1: The Break, live from the s WBC Mortgage Studios. At
Speaker 1: the start, we got so much to talk about today.
Speaker 1: Cowboys got big news. It ain't great. We're gonna talk
Speaker 1: about what it means to the team. We're also gonna
Speaker 1: get into too in the second segment, the Cowboys offense
Speaker 1: versus the Charger defense. Well book Bucky Brooks joining us
Speaker 1: as usual on a Thursday, and then we'll talk a
Speaker 1: little bit more about that matchup and some interesting things
Speaker 1: that were said earlier in the week that might affect
Speaker 1: the matchup from the defense and special teams part of
Speaker 1: this team. Let's start first with the news to Marcus Lawrence.
Speaker 1: We find out yesterday afternoon that he has broken his foot,
Speaker 1: and I guess at this point the first question is
Speaker 1: what are we expecting as far as timeline on when
Speaker 1: you can maybe expect him to be back two months yep,
Speaker 1: six to eight weeks. But I mean there's no wig.
Speaker 1: Is this one of those things where was it a
Speaker 1: sixth d eight week? Because sometimes before the coach says it,
Speaker 1: like there's just the speculations. You know, you have the
Speaker 1: people out there that are sports doctors on Twitter that say, hey,
Speaker 1: this is typically sixth eight or is this like, hey,
Speaker 1: pretty much that it was a sixty eight. The thing
Speaker 1: about broken bones from and certainly not a doctor, and
Speaker 1: I stayed at home last night, so I don't know anything.
Speaker 1: All I'm saying is this, like broken bones are good
Speaker 1: and bad for the same reason. I mean, it's like
Speaker 1: it's a broken bone. It's it's not gonna probably be
Speaker 1: a lot less than that. It's not going to be
Speaker 1: for oh, that he actually healed. I mean something. Bones
Speaker 1: do heal differently, but for the most part, it's a
Speaker 1: broken bone. Now it's also a broken bone, and it's
Speaker 1: and it's like it'll heal, and when it heals, you
Speaker 1: should be ready to go. So it's kind of I
Speaker 1: think these are the timetables that are typically spot on,
Speaker 1: you know, six to eight wiggle ruin, but nothing that
Speaker 1: should linger too much. It's also it's a bone in
Speaker 1: the probably the worst place, just because of how much
Speaker 1: you need your foot. I mean, obviously you put weight
Speaker 1: on it, but playing defensive end is so much about
Speaker 1: bend and kind of torquing, and you flex your foot
Speaker 1: and put your foot in weird positions. The reason I
Speaker 1: said two months is just everything we've heard is that
Speaker 1: this is very similar to the injury he suffered when
Speaker 1: he was a rookie way back when, and that happened
Speaker 1: in August and he didn't play until November. Second, which
Speaker 1: it's a little different, I will acknowledge, because you got
Speaker 1: to remember the rules were vastly different back then. Like
Speaker 1: if you go on IR to return, that's eight it
Speaker 1: was eight weeks. It was eight weeks minimum. So part
Speaker 1: of that was that he was already on part of that, right,
Speaker 1: So if it's a three week I are maybe he
Speaker 1: can come back a little sooner than that. But this
Speaker 1: is this is a six to eight week injury. And
Speaker 1: when you think about your foot like this isn't your
Speaker 1: hand where you can wrap that in some gauze and
Speaker 1: go play and fight through the pain like you need.
Speaker 1: You need your foot to play anything in football, but
Speaker 1: defensive end for sure. So I leaned toward the longer
Speaker 1: end of the timeline just because it's not something that
Speaker 1: you want to rush back and reinjure. When you get
Speaker 1: out there and start ian, you think about leveraging against
Speaker 1: guys and putting weight on your foot and how much
Speaker 1: that plays into it. So, I mean, even we need
Speaker 1: two returns after six to eight weeks, my assumptions it's
Speaker 1: going to take a little while for him to get
Speaker 1: built back up again to be able to play coming
Speaker 1: off a foot injury like that. Right, It's it's a
Speaker 1: brutal lost. There's no way around it. Our pets heads
Speaker 1: are fallen off. So what what What is the thing
Speaker 1: that this team misses the most? Without DeMarcus Lawrence, they
Speaker 1: don't have of proven past rusher, slash, disruptive defensive end.
Speaker 1: They definitely don't have one right now because Randy Gregory's
Speaker 1: on the COVID list. But and we all love Randy
Speaker 1: and it's a great story, but even he does not
Speaker 1: have the resume of DeMarcus Lawrence. He's got ten career sacksum.
Speaker 1: He's not as dynamic as a weird word, but he's
Speaker 1: not as awesome in the run game. He's good. Like
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory is a good player. DeMarcus Lawrence is a
Speaker 1: great player. They do not have another. Yeah, they don't
Speaker 1: have another. That's harsh to say. A good player like
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory and DeMarcus Lawrence is the best that they've got.
Speaker 1: They already didn't have Neville Gallimore and they lost him
Speaker 1: in August. Like they got a bunch of journeymen and
Speaker 1: unproven young players all over their defensive line, and they
Speaker 1: just it's it's a tough blow to when you think
Speaker 1: about it. The four guys that I think most of
Speaker 1: us would have penciled in as their starters going before
Speaker 1: we got to training camp, all four of them will
Speaker 1: miss this game. You would think about Lawrence Gregory at
Speaker 1: that ends, you would think probably Tristan Hill was a
Speaker 1: guy that we would think. It was probably gonna be
Speaker 1: about Galimore you thought was going to be a starter.
Speaker 1: So all four of the guys you thought would be
Speaker 1: the starter back in the off season, all four of
Speaker 1: them will be out this game, and you think, like
Speaker 1: training camp, it was easy to say, like, oh, like
Speaker 1: they've got a lot of depth on the defensive line,
Speaker 1: and that was true in the sense of bodies, but
Speaker 1: their depth in the sense of guys that you felt
Speaker 1: excited about was Randy, DeMarcus Neville Gallimore. They're not gonna
Speaker 1: have any of the three of them probably for this game,
Speaker 1: and obviously it's going to be a bit of a
Speaker 1: weight on Gallimore and DeMarcus Nick. Do you think that, Sorry,
Speaker 1: I was just I mean, I'm reluctant to just completely
Speaker 1: rule out Gregory. It's fair, but after what we heard
Speaker 1: from Zack Martin, and I know they have different symptoms
Speaker 1: and all that, but like Zach Martin basically said yesterday
Speaker 1: that he was never going to play and it was
Speaker 1: never even close that he was going to play. He
Speaker 1: kind of he like dismissed it as kind of crazy talk, really,
Speaker 1: but yeah, that's he did that on a couple of
Speaker 1: things he did. Now he there's been some talk a
Speaker 1: little bit about, oh, he doesn't want to play right tackle,
Speaker 1: he only will play right guard. He said he'll do
Speaker 1: whatever it is that the team wants, which is why
Speaker 1: I kind of thought the situation right ahead, But he
Speaker 1: also made it clear he's a right guard and that's
Speaker 1: where he wants to be, and why not. There's nothing
Speaker 1: wrong with that. If I'm if I'm an elite at
Speaker 1: one thing, if I did one thing at the best
Speaker 1: of anyone's ever done it, I don't want to do
Speaker 1: something else right, And I think that's kind of how
Speaker 1: the team is approaching it. It's going to require the
Speaker 1: wheels falling off with Terrence Steele or tie in Secy
Speaker 1: at right tackle before they make that kind of move,
Speaker 1: which and he said that as well. He's like last
Speaker 1: year was a completely different circumstance. We were down six
Speaker 1: tackles instead of one. And you know what, I get it.
Speaker 1: I get it, and well let's you know, there's work.
Speaker 1: It sounds like we're gonna be without Lyle for a while.
Speaker 1: Like you know, that's a murky situation all on its own,
Speaker 1: but you can adjust as this goes along. But try
Speaker 1: it out. You got you can try them both. You
Speaker 1: can give them help and we we've done this before.
Speaker 1: I know it was brutal last year, but like we've
Speaker 1: had games where we didn't have these guys since the
Speaker 1: Chazz Green game and it's been okay, so it's you
Speaker 1: know that I'm coming to terms. I'm coming. I'm making
Speaker 1: peace with that situation as we go through the week.
Speaker 1: You know what I was thinking of as I was
Speaker 1: driving today, and Dave helped me with math. Here, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I think you can do this before me. Okay. So
Speaker 1: here we are, second game of the season, and and
Speaker 1: you've got Gallop gonna miss let's say four games, three
Speaker 1: to five. Let's just say he misses four games. We've
Speaker 1: got Tank now it's gonna miss six games. Okay, so
Speaker 1: we're at ten, and then now you've got who else
Speaker 1: is Za Zach Lyle. That's five games. Zach missed the game,
Speaker 1: Gregory probably gonna miss a game. So we've got seventeen eighteen,
Speaker 1: six sixteen, okay, sixteen games here in the first you know,
Speaker 1: early part of the season. Have we seen any of
Speaker 1: the injuries? I mean, we haven't seen one thing that
Speaker 1: happened that led to all this. Now, when Dak went down,
Speaker 1: everyone unfortunately saw that. It was nasty and terrible. When
Speaker 1: you saw it and you're like, this is terrible. I
Speaker 1: don't know if anyone saw great. Mean, I didn't see
Speaker 1: Gallup go off. I mean just all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: he's hurt. No one saw other than the people on
Speaker 1: the field. No one saw Tank, you know, no one
Speaker 1: saw these things. You don't see, of course, you don't
Speaker 1: see failed tests or anything like that. Next thing, you know,
Speaker 1: you just look it up, it's like, oh, he's gone.
Speaker 1: You know. I'm not saying it makes it better or worse,
Speaker 1: but it's just kind of weird when you're like, um,
Speaker 1: this is not happening. You know, you didn't see it,
Speaker 1: but trust me, he's got a broken foot, or he
Speaker 1: failed his test, or he's got COVID, you know, whatever
Speaker 1: it is. It's like dang. I mean, at least you'd
Speaker 1: like to kind of see it for yourself and say, oh,
Speaker 1: that's why he's out. Tristan Hill last year, Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: why he's out. No, it's just kind of behind closed doors,
Speaker 1: like these things are happening that are derailing this team early.
Speaker 1: So you look at what's happening right now with the
Speaker 1: loss of Gregory, you got guys like Role Basham and Armstrong.
Speaker 1: Darn's Armstrong. That will probably be the guys that will
Speaker 1: have to pick up the slack. Do you think either
Speaker 1: one of those guys is capable of getting into that
Speaker 1: five to eight sacks on the year type role. Do
Speaker 1: you think they could provide that or do you think
Speaker 1: this is just a situation where if Gregory isn't getting
Speaker 1: the sacks, everybody else is gonna be down that two
Speaker 1: to three range and you're basically gonna have to manufacture
Speaker 1: sacks by blitzing and doing that kind of thing. Five
Speaker 1: to eight is not I mean, that's okay, but I
Speaker 1: mean I think about I can think of two players
Speaker 1: that had in that range in the last ten years,
Speaker 1: like Mensi and Selvy and necessarily in the role right
Speaker 1: And and that's that's with the expectation by the way
Speaker 1: that greg we're on the other side, is going to
Speaker 1: be your guy, Like that's the guy that's going to
Speaker 1: get the bulk of your sacks. Can this guy play
Speaker 1: the complimentary role and getting that five to eight sack range?
Speaker 1: I mean, this is was it this show where we
Speaker 1: were saying, you know, there's even the worst offense in
Speaker 1: the league has got to have a go to receiver.
Speaker 1: You know, the stats have to come from somewhere. You're
Speaker 1: gonna probably have twenty five to thirty five whatever the
Speaker 1: number of Sacks is so just from a statistical standpoint,
Speaker 1: I guess so, But no, no, I don't really well,
Speaker 1: I don't see either one of those guys becoming like
Speaker 1: a complimentary player that you feel good about, I guess,
Speaker 1: And I mean, if I'm the Cowboys, I need to
Speaker 1: go do something. And I'm I'm not saying they need
Speaker 1: to move having an earth like an Amari Cooper type
Speaker 1: of situation, but like they need an edge rusher who's
Speaker 1: not on this team right now. Can I paint a
Speaker 1: picture for you, guys, you look at a guy like
Speaker 1: Dorn's Armstrong. I'm not any way suggesting he's at the
Speaker 1: level of either of the guys that are parting, But
Speaker 1: the one thing you can say about Dare's Armstrong is
Speaker 1: from the time that he's gotten here, it seems like
Speaker 1: every year he gets a little bit better and a
Speaker 1: little bit better. And this last year during camp, I
Speaker 1: think he was as good as we've ever seen him.
Speaker 1: Even last week he makes a play that that could
Speaker 1: have turned down, like he got quite there. But you're
Speaker 1: like you saw a flash, right. Is he a guy
Speaker 1: that maybe is at that point where he may turn
Speaker 1: into a complimentary type pass rusher he's good against the run.
Speaker 1: So is this maybe the guy that might end up
Speaker 1: being your guy that maybe has an opportunity here to
Speaker 1: step up and maybe fill that role show me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's all fair, Yeah, absolutely fair. But I'm saying, like
Speaker 1: before you go, before you to take the step of
Speaker 1: going out and getting someone else, would you like to
Speaker 1: at least see what maybe he can do in that
Speaker 1: type of situation. No, because you need you probably need
Speaker 1: four anyway, and they don't. They won't have that until
Speaker 1: Tank comes back. I think I think Durrance is the
Speaker 1: reason why you don't think you need to get two guys,
Speaker 1: you know. I think I think you need to get someone.
Speaker 1: You need to get some experienced help if you can.
Speaker 1: And we all know if there's a pass rusher that's
Speaker 1: not not playing a lot or out on the street,
Speaker 1: and there's other reasons why people. I mean, I get
Speaker 1: that the market, the market's not amazing. I don't know
Speaker 1: that you're gonna find a lot better talent just sitting
Speaker 1: on this show. I think I heard a few names
Speaker 1: and one of them was drafted here right. Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that that ain't I know, I can't see that happening.
Speaker 1: You stick with what you get. I mean, i'd move
Speaker 1: Urban out before I do that. I don't know his
Speaker 1: sit talking about Taco Charles, Yeah, yeah, I don't know
Speaker 1: his situation. But Olivier Vernon is available. It makes me
Speaker 1: wonder if he's dealing with an injury. You need to
Speaker 1: look into that. But yeah, he played well for the
Speaker 1: Browns last year. Tell me what's the issue with um?
Speaker 1: What's the guys? Was he with the Falcons first round pick? No,
Speaker 1: I'm missing oh Vic Beasley? Yeah, what's his deal? I'm
Speaker 1: I mean I think he might he might be washed,
Speaker 1: just in terms of he wasn't playing well anymore well
Speaker 1: and and he was with Atlanta, right, Yeah, well he
Speaker 1: was with Atlanta that they cut him like Atlanta was
Speaker 1: like thank you for your services. So that that's one
Speaker 1: of those things again where people try to connect the
Speaker 1: dots and say, oh, this guy was just talking about
Speaker 1: the other day. It might be like, yeah, we're okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're good here. Um, Olivia Vernon tore his achilles in
Speaker 1: the playoffs, that's right. So I don't know where he is.
Speaker 1: I don't know where he is in his recovery from that. No,
Speaker 1: it's nine months that age achilles I'm good, like, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know if I think that's better
Speaker 1: than what you got it? Have you need Bradley and
Speaker 1: I to step up? Or if I'm saying this, but
Speaker 1: Kamara Okay, Okay, I mean, well, some somebody has to Okay,
Speaker 1: I mean, would they consider making Urban a defensive end?
Speaker 1: You know what I would do? Honestly, I'm I'm I'm
Speaker 1: rushing Jalen Smith off the edge. I certainly would not
Speaker 1: every play, not every snap, but um, I'd rather rush
Speaker 1: Parsons off the edge. Well, but you can't just know
Speaker 1: what I'm what I'm saying. What I'm saying is I
Speaker 1: would use him in that role, and maybe we have
Speaker 1: Jalen playing a little more linebacker when they're in the middle.
Speaker 1: Like That's the way I would look at it, because
Speaker 1: I think Parsons is a better I know, but I
Speaker 1: think Parsons is a better pass rusher than Jalen is.
Speaker 1: I think blitzing is gonna need to be a larger
Speaker 1: part of this game. I agree. That's what I don't
Speaker 1: I'm sending safeties and corners. I'm I'm sending all kinds
Speaker 1: of stuff. Think the thing about Jalen is that. I mean,
Speaker 1: he he's a physical presence. I mean him, he's got
Speaker 1: the stature, he's he's taller, he's bigger. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: he's gonna be great at it, but he's when he's
Speaker 1: going north, he's he's not terrible when he I agree
Speaker 1: with you, and that's if you want to blitz him
Speaker 1: through the A gap, go for it. But I'm imagining, like,
Speaker 1: what's Jalen's issue. He's not explosive. What do you need
Speaker 1: to be to get around the corner on an NFL
Speaker 1: offensive tackle? Explosive? And I just don't know how that's
Speaker 1: gonna go for it. And the other thing to notice
Speaker 1: about Jalen is when he actually is blitzing, He's not
Speaker 1: the guy that has moves. If you get on him,
Speaker 1: he's not getting off. If you're gonna rush him from
Speaker 1: the outside, he better have some moves. And I don't
Speaker 1: expect that he does. So I don't know that I
Speaker 1: would use him all. I gotta play him somewhere, So
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe you don't. Yeah, you only had sixteen
Speaker 1: snaps last week, so I don't know. I mean you
Speaker 1: don't necessarily have to. You know, you said it before.
Speaker 1: If Jay Layton is the guy that maybe needs to
Speaker 1: get more snaps. So if you're gonna do that, I
Speaker 1: would say maybe you use Layton a little bit more
Speaker 1: in the middle. And if you want to take a
Speaker 1: couple of snaps where you put Parsons on the edge
Speaker 1: and let him rush from the edge, I think maybe
Speaker 1: that's something worth saying. Jordan Lewis is going to be
Speaker 1: rushing from the edge, hear that, I mean from the slot,
Speaker 1: from the you know, we've seen that he's he's pretty
Speaker 1: good at it, you know, like corner blitz is and
Speaker 1: all that. So it's like we said yesterday, it's a
Speaker 1: little bit of everything. And I trust this is where
Speaker 1: this is where you you get dan Quinn to do
Speaker 1: do his job. I mean, like it's not easy, but
Speaker 1: he's gonna have to figure it out and and he'll
Speaker 1: he'll come up with an exotic plan. That's that's what
Speaker 1: you hope. I would take my fifth round pick and
Speaker 1: go find somebody else's to al Basham and that's I mean,
Speaker 1: that's not sexy. I get it. He's not going to
Speaker 1: completely revitalize this thing. But I just think if you
Speaker 1: can find somebody with a track record, because Basham is
Speaker 1: really I mean, Doran's Armstrong is a good player, but
Speaker 1: he's got two and a half career sacks. Basham is
Speaker 1: he's got seven and a half of the ten sacks
Speaker 1: that are left on the roster right now. We would
Speaker 1: you be a little I'll take it a step further.
Speaker 1: I'll I mean, and it may be the same, but
Speaker 1: I would take something. I'll try to get somebody's Dorn's Armstrong.
Speaker 1: And I mean that you're saying the same we are,
Speaker 1: but I don't know about Basham's contract. But a lot
Speaker 1: of times when you're trading, you're training for contract and
Speaker 1: you're like, okay, well, some team would be like because
Speaker 1: if someone called, maybe not this week, but if they
Speaker 1: would have called before and offered a fourth or fifth
Speaker 1: round pick for Doran's Armstrong, you do it. He's gonna
Speaker 1: be a free agent next year. And you're like, well,
Speaker 1: I mean it's probably the comp pick we would get
Speaker 1: in two years, so you'd probably do it because he's
Speaker 1: contracts though, but you know that team needs him now.
Speaker 1: So there's probably another guy like that in Basham Armstrong,
Speaker 1: same type of thing. But there's a team probably out
Speaker 1: there that's like, this guy's been Okay, he's probably we're
Speaker 1: not We're gonna probably resign on next year, so we'll
Speaker 1: take something for him. Yeah. The only thing I wonder
Speaker 1: about there is just the quality of the guy that
Speaker 1: you're going to get in that kind of scenario. I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's better than than what you got
Speaker 1: to just kind of. I mean, this is a one
Speaker 1: week problem to some degree, because if you get if
Speaker 1: you get Gregory back, then you still have those other
Speaker 1: three and now you got your four man rotation if
Speaker 1: you're including an eye in that. So I think though,
Speaker 1: with the world we're in, you have to always expect
Speaker 1: which guy's gonna get COVID this week and be out true,
Speaker 1: So you have to go a little bit deeper. And
Speaker 1: I just think and I and Kamara, I mean they're
Speaker 1: they're not. I don't think that they're there yet. I'm
Speaker 1: with Dave, and I has played eighteen snaps of defense
Speaker 1: to this point in his career and Kamara has played none.
Speaker 1: So I'm not okay, I won't throw names out. I
Speaker 1: want to get us in trouble, But if there was
Speaker 1: certain if there was a player that the Cowboys have
Speaker 1: had like three times here and he's on another team's
Speaker 1: practice squad. But he's been here all of camp, and
Speaker 1: he was here all of camp last year. Would you
Speaker 1: go get him? I wouldn't pay too much for that,
Speaker 1: But you don't have to pay a lot he's on
Speaker 1: the practice squad or just poach him. Yeah, that's fine
Speaker 1: with me. He's been on he's been in the last
Speaker 1: two training camps. If you're going to somebody else's practice squad,
Speaker 1: because then you don't have to worry about giving them
Speaker 1: picks or anything else, Like you can just go get
Speaker 1: a guy out someone's practice squad. So yeah, I think
Speaker 1: that actually makes a lot more sense. That's better than
Speaker 1: going to free agency and trying to find somebody that's
Speaker 1: not on the team at all. Right, So so yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, and that's more for depth purposes in my opinion.
Speaker 1: That's more for I just need more bodies right now.
Speaker 1: But I just I feel like, right now, if they're
Speaker 1: gonna be able to survive this, it's really going to
Speaker 1: be about those top, those relatively relative top guys bash
Speaker 1: him Armstrong and their ability to step up, because whatever
Speaker 1: you're gonna get from somebody else's practice squad is not
Speaker 1: going to be better than those guys. You really need
Speaker 1: to figure out how if those guys can step up
Speaker 1: and give you some pass rush. Yeah, I would do that.
Speaker 1: There's no way to spend this as you just gotta
Speaker 1: make do with it. It's a tough it's the sandwich. Ye.
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Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks from NFL Network. We got a lot to
Speaker 1: talk about. We're going to talk about the Dallas offense
Speaker 1: versus the Chargers defense. But before we get to that, Buck,
Speaker 1: I need you to give us a little insight on
Speaker 1: what you think the Cowboys can and will do now
Speaker 1: that they are going to be without DeMarcus Larne for
Speaker 1: presumably six to eight weeks. Yeah. I think dan Quinn
Speaker 1: and the Cowboys kind of anticipated maybe losing some people
Speaker 1: along the front line, which is why they kept all
Speaker 1: the linebackers with many of us speculated that one of
Speaker 1: those guys may be out James Smith or Labe Bends
Speaker 1: and the life and so because of the I would say,
Speaker 1: the flexibility and the versatility that they have in the core,
Speaker 1: I think you'll see those four guys on the field
Speaker 1: Keyan O'Neill, Michael Parkson's, James Smith, Lady Vanders because what
Speaker 1: it does is it actually makes it more difficult for
Speaker 1: the offense to figure out which one of those guys
Speaker 1: could come because all of them have unique skill sets.
Speaker 1: And so if you're Dan Quinn, you dig a little
Speaker 1: deeper into the blitz bag. You bring some creative things
Speaker 1: and you try to heat them up using pressure as
Speaker 1: opposed to using your standard traditional for man rush. He's
Speaker 1: typically not a big blitz guy, but I think he
Speaker 1: certainly hasn't in the playbook. They may have to lean
Speaker 1: on that and really trust on the guys on the
Speaker 1: outside to be able to hold up in coverage. All right,
Speaker 1: that's a good feedback actually, And we did get a
Speaker 1: chance to see some of that during training camp because
Speaker 1: Mark Slarrence was out during training camp and we saw
Speaker 1: a lot of situations where those linebackers were on the field.
Speaker 1: A lot of them were on the field together. Let's
Speaker 1: now flip and talk about the Cowboys offense versus the
Speaker 1: Chargers defense. Tell me, when you look at this Chargers team,
Speaker 1: particularly their defense, what are they better at? Are they
Speaker 1: better at protecting against the run or better in past defense? Well,
Speaker 1: Brandon said, this is really good defensive mind. And even
Speaker 1: though he's not the coordinated, it's going to be his defense.
Speaker 1: And so you can see a lot of creative things
Speaker 1: that are built around the players. The two players that
Speaker 1: you have to keep an eye on. One will be
Speaker 1: Joey Bosa. The second will be Darrowyn James. And he
Speaker 1: is trying to remake this defense in the same image
Speaker 1: that he made the Rams defense, where you had the
Speaker 1: one guy who was able to do all the things
Speaker 1: at the front line, and then you have a star
Speaker 1: player that the versatile players that can do a bunch
Speaker 1: of things in the back end. And so because of that,
Speaker 1: what they're going to do is the first thing he's
Speaker 1: gonna start, you gotta take away to run because they're
Speaker 1: going to want the Cowboys to throw the ball all
Speaker 1: over the art like they did versus the Tampa Bay
Speaker 1: Bucaneers because in their mind, more negative things are going
Speaker 1: to happen when the Cowboys have to throw, because if
Speaker 1: they can let the Cowboys run, then the Cowboys can
Speaker 1: control the tempo, shrink the game, and keep the Chargers
Speaker 1: offense on the sideline. So gold number one has to
Speaker 1: be to take ze Kelly away and put the game
Speaker 1: on Dak shoulders and make Kellen Moore and those guys
Speaker 1: call fifty plus passes like they did on Thursday night. Obviously,
Speaker 1: Joey Bossa's an outstanding pass rusher, and it looks like
Speaker 1: he's a little bit more of a speed rusher than
Speaker 1: he is power. I'm not saying he's not strong, but
Speaker 1: it seems like he's more of a speed guy. Would
Speaker 1: you put steal on him or insecting if you were
Speaker 1: making the call, I don't think it really matters because
Speaker 1: the favorite goals to the Charges in that matchup. You
Speaker 1: have to play with somebody, Yeah, you have to. It's
Speaker 1: like if you put if you put steal on there,
Speaker 1: because the Feelers played and those things like, you better
Speaker 1: be able to pay attention to both and make sure
Speaker 1: that you have a plan to either chip him, fly
Speaker 1: to him, roll away from him because he's going to
Speaker 1: be a problem and even if you try and hide
Speaker 1: a week link on the line of scrimmage, they're going
Speaker 1: to move both around to give him the favorable matchup.
Speaker 1: So this has to be a plan where Kevin Moore says, Okay,
Speaker 1: if we're getting if we're having problems, if they're heating
Speaker 1: us up, we got to move. We have to move
Speaker 1: the parking around. We have to do some creative things
Speaker 1: and be able to get the ball out of our hands. So,
Speaker 1: going back to your point, Bucky about them committing to
Speaker 1: the run, I'm curious and please correct me if I'm wrong,
Speaker 1: But Brandon Staley seems to have a preference for playing
Speaker 1: too high and limiting what you can do in the
Speaker 1: passing game, which makes me wonder do they have the
Speaker 1: personnel to stop Zeke without really committing to it. And
Speaker 1: between Kenneth Murray, I think lyn Vaal Joseph is a
Speaker 1: really underrated player. I mean, how how well can they
Speaker 1: do that without really committing to putting a bunch of
Speaker 1: guys in the box. So they're funny because they're one
Speaker 1: of the teams that when he's in the wrongs, they
Speaker 1: played great defense with set package on the field, little
Speaker 1: guys finding a way to plug up the holes. What
Speaker 1: he would do if he'll show that two high look, well,
Speaker 1: they're moving up front line stops in games to put
Speaker 1: those guys in their gaps once it's post snapped. And
Speaker 1: so Linville Joseph was a huge pickup because what he
Speaker 1: can do. He can eat up blockers and allow those
Speaker 1: little linebackers to run and play in space. But it
Speaker 1: will be a game early well they will see if
Speaker 1: they can defend it with a light box. But they're
Speaker 1: going to make sure that they take twenty two, twenty
Speaker 1: one out again. They got to say zepa and out again.
Speaker 1: You were talking about them committing to the run, and
Speaker 1: we've talked a little bit about that. Against Washington. They
Speaker 1: allowed one hundred and twenty six rushing yards a four
Speaker 1: point seven yards per attempt, which is pretty good. What
Speaker 1: did Washington to do that allowed them to be successful?
Speaker 1: Because I think I would assume, especially as that game
Speaker 1: wore on and they didn't have their starting quarterback anymore,
Speaker 1: I would assume their game plan probably was we need
Speaker 1: to stop the run first and foremost and put the
Speaker 1: game on Heinekes shoulders. What did they do and can
Speaker 1: Dallas replicate that? Well? I mean, I think the difference
Speaker 1: is like when you look at Washington's personnel. Gibson is
Speaker 1: a good player. I don't think he's a great player.
Speaker 1: So sometimes what defenses will do is they will say, hey, man,
Speaker 1: he can have as many as he can because he
Speaker 1: can't impact the game in a negative way. Their scariest
Speaker 1: personnel is Terry McLaurin and maybe Logan Thomas. So let's
Speaker 1: take those guys away. What they did versus Washington, they
Speaker 1: will not do versus Dallas because the respect fact that
Speaker 1: that they have for the running game is going to
Speaker 1: be greater than what it was for the Washington football
Speaker 1: teams running game. And so that game plan that we
Speaker 1: saw is probably not going to be what say features.
Speaker 1: He's going to make sure that they kind of get
Speaker 1: around the box. They mix in some double coverage tactic
Speaker 1: to maybe take away a Maury Cooper and Ceedee Lamb
Speaker 1: randomly and then try and play that guessing game with
Speaker 1: and more to see what Killer Moore wants to do.
Speaker 1: And Killer Moore's comments he talked about and I saw
Speaker 1: Dave like this and gotta pointed out on Twitter he
Speaker 1: said he all yards are the same, and it's not
Speaker 1: because if the Cowboys are passing a lot, they can't
Speaker 1: necessarily control the game within completion if they give it
Speaker 1: to him. Yes, they got to be efficient, but they
Speaker 1: still got to run the ball because this needs to
Speaker 1: be a game where time of possession is in the
Speaker 1: thirty one thirty two range for the Cowboys. Who do
Speaker 1: you think's the biggest guy that that's going to replace Gallop?
Speaker 1: And I'm not just saying in his spot, which will
Speaker 1: probably be Cedric Wilson, but who's that next? Is it
Speaker 1: the tight end or do they lean on him? Did
Speaker 1: they lean on Pollard more I mean, who do you
Speaker 1: think is the next player? Kind of in that progression,
Speaker 1: I think they try and flirt with the tightens a
Speaker 1: little bit, but I think Tony Poller would certainly move
Speaker 1: up in the pecking order a little bit. But it
Speaker 1: might be an opportunity to all right, well we don't
Speaker 1: have Gallop on the field. Well, that need more balls
Speaker 1: for CD Lamb and maybe more balls Ford Morey. Cool.
Speaker 1: So rather than get keyed and trying to figure out
Speaker 1: what other guys that could bring in, maybe they're saying
Speaker 1: our guys have been than your guys that we're gonna
Speaker 1: see the tig Okay, he's been hurt for most of
Speaker 1: the last two years, it feels like. But and it's
Speaker 1: one game to go on. But how what does Derwin
Speaker 1: James look like with Brandon Staley, Because I mean, he
Speaker 1: was able to do so much fun stuff with Jalen
Speaker 1: Ramsey last year, and I think Derwin James has a
Speaker 1: comparable amount of talent. Obviously different position, but I'm just
Speaker 1: curious what do you see from him and how they
Speaker 1: might try to use him one and the same really,
Speaker 1: because like the funny thing about Derwyn James and Jalen
Speaker 1: Ramsey going all the way back to Florida State, they've
Speaker 1: always kind of followed in each other's footsteps. I think
Speaker 1: Derwyn James has considered Jalen Ramsey's little brother because of
Speaker 1: the intail that Brandon was able to get from Jalen Ramsey.
Speaker 1: He knows exactly how to use Derwyn James. So you
Speaker 1: will see Derwin James occupied what they call the star
Speaker 1: position instead nickel corner high did linebacker do it all
Speaker 1: playmate position. I think you also will eventually see him
Speaker 1: utilize more as a pass rusher during his all Pro season.
Speaker 1: He was coming off the edge and doing a bunch
Speaker 1: of creative things. Stayers will put him in a situation
Speaker 1: where he plays to his strength, and his strength are
Speaker 1: big around the football and creating cabs. All right, So
Speaker 1: what happens this weekend? Give us your prediction? Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think this is really like a month's win game
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys, so I think they gotta be at
Speaker 1: the best. It's gonna be tough on the road. I
Speaker 1: think a lot of it depends on Dak Prescott's ability
Speaker 1: to come out and see if the Cowboys can play
Speaker 1: from in front. If the Cowboys even jump out to
Speaker 1: a seven to ten point lead early and play downhill,
Speaker 1: I expect him to win. But if they had any
Speaker 1: issues stopping them early and they fall from behind, I
Speaker 1: just don't think it plays in their favor because the
Speaker 1: lack of pass rush could be an issue if they
Speaker 1: can't dictate the terms. All right, we appreciate you joining us, Buck,
Speaker 1: We're gonna take our final break when we come back.
Speaker 1: We got a few more things we're gonna break down
Speaker 1: about about the Cowboys matchup, particularly the Cowboys offense versus
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Speaker 1: back to the final segment of The Break Life from
Speaker 1: SWBC Mortgage Studios at the Star. I want to take
Speaker 1: talk to you guys a little bit about the strategy.
Speaker 1: We were talking about what the Cowboys do with the
Speaker 1: loss of DeMarcus Lawrence. I think one of the interesting
Speaker 1: things that Bucky brought up was we did see this
Speaker 1: during training camp when DeMarcus was out. We saw them
Speaker 1: using the linebackers quite a bit. It makes me wonder,
Speaker 1: is this team now without a DeMarcus Lawrence, are they
Speaker 1: better suited to be a three four type defense? Now
Speaker 1: they're going to be a Nickel a ton, but having
Speaker 1: three down linement as opposed to four and standing up
Speaker 1: those outside guys, let's say Randy standing up. They say
Speaker 1: that Parsons is standing up on the outside allows you
Speaker 1: do some things with Brent Urban now as a defensive
Speaker 1: end in a three four with a three man front.
Speaker 1: So do you think that that may be what we
Speaker 1: tend to see a little bit more now without Gregory. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, one option, and you know's maybe
Speaker 1: I got to look at who who's on their practice squad,
Speaker 1: but they could, you know, maybe elevate a defensive tackle
Speaker 1: from the practice squad and move a guy over Hamilton.
Speaker 1: Is he on it? I mean he is, right, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's who I was thinking. But then I thought, well,
Speaker 1: maybe he wasn't on. I mean, it's hard to keep
Speaker 1: up with who's on that's practice squad these days. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that might be an option there because he's
Speaker 1: got some experience, he's got some beef, and you can
Speaker 1: maybe slide a guy to the outside. I just worry,
Speaker 1: and I was. I've been saying since the night they
Speaker 1: drafted him that Mica needs to have a pass rushing
Speaker 1: role to maximize the value of the pick. But I
Speaker 1: don't want him doing that exclusively. I mean, if he's
Speaker 1: up the field every play, either getting to the quarterback
Speaker 1: or not being part of the play, I think you're
Speaker 1: losing some of what he brings in the sense of
Speaker 1: sideline to sideline playmaking ability. We've seen that he's got
Speaker 1: a nose for the football. He's not making interceptions of
Speaker 1: forcing fumbles or getting tackles if he's doing that as
Speaker 1: often at least, But what we did see during camp
Speaker 1: is when they did have a lot moils onbackers on
Speaker 1: the field, they were still moving him around like some
Speaker 1: place and that's some place on that side. So that's yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I just wouldn't want to just throw
Speaker 1: him over there and have him do that exclusively. I
Speaker 1: think that you don't want to turn him into defensive
Speaker 1: in no right, Yeah, you still want to let him
Speaker 1: do different things. I mean, I said that on the
Speaker 1: radio this morning. It's unfair to be like, you know,
Speaker 1: week two of your rookie season, we need you doing
Speaker 1: all of this. But yeah, the NFL is not fair.
Speaker 1: So we did have a couple other injury things we
Speaker 1: needed to catch up on. Donovan Wilson also misspractice yesterday
Speaker 1: with a groin injury. What do we stand with his status?
Speaker 1: Reaggravated it. That's a classic case of we'll see how
Speaker 1: he goes. You know, we'll keep an eye on the
Speaker 1: Thursday Friday injury report. But reaggravating a groins not good.
Speaker 1: It doesn't gives me a feeling like maybe not this week.
Speaker 1: And when you when you think about the safeties that
Speaker 1: were up last week and the ones that will be down.
Speaker 1: I mean, Darren Thompson was on the practice squad but
Speaker 1: they elevated him. They could do it again, but he
Speaker 1: got hurt, so he's probably not coming back. I would
Speaker 1: I would say, you know, you could go mquamu. But
Speaker 1: the thing about it is is that you get fifty
Speaker 1: three on the roster, you can get it to fifty
Speaker 1: five if you move to practice squad guys up. But
Speaker 1: that doesn't necessarily mean mcquamo could could take that spot
Speaker 1: because he's already on the team. Molly Cooker will be elevated,
Speaker 1: that's what we're hearing, but maybe for Wilson. So it's
Speaker 1: gonna be it's gonna be interesting to see how it
Speaker 1: all kind of shakes out. I'm not as worried about it,
Speaker 1: only because I feel like the top four or five
Speaker 1: safeties are all the same. If you pulled anyone to
Speaker 1: say who are your ranked the safeties, you get all
Speaker 1: kinds of order. So I'm not saying Donald Wilson's not
Speaker 1: a good player. I mean, and I hope, I hope
Speaker 1: he plays, but I don't think it's a huge difference.
Speaker 1: And if you had to play more Jron Curse or
Speaker 1: you played because he which he got banged up a
Speaker 1: little bit yesterday from what we saw, but I think
Speaker 1: he'll He wasn't on the president on the practice report,
Speaker 1: So I just I just wonder again, I've talked about
Speaker 1: it a lot. Is Demante Casey and Malie Cooker are
Speaker 1: very similar players? Donovan Wilson is a scud missile, like
Speaker 1: he'll go down there and get in the trash and
Speaker 1: he's a hard tackler. Do they have that guy or well,
Speaker 1: they have bodies. It's just is it Malie Cooker, is
Speaker 1: it j Ron Curse? Is it? I doubt it's Israel Mukuamu.
Speaker 1: But he's there too, right, That's exactly the question is
Speaker 1: who plays Donovan Wilson's role, Like, I don't know if
Speaker 1: they who's the other person? I mean, jay Ron Curse
Speaker 1: has the body where you'd think he should be able
Speaker 1: to get down there and play a little closer to
Speaker 1: a lot of scrimmage, but I don't know if that's
Speaker 1: his game. Well, I'll say this, I mean no disrespect
Speaker 1: to the guys that are playing for the Chargers. But
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown was the third receiver, I guess you want
Speaker 1: to say that, and the third charger. He's a guy
Speaker 1: that that was the Cowboys cut like three years ago, right,
Speaker 1: Jalen guyton Yep. I mean he can run. He certainly
Speaker 1: know that. Yeah. Yeah, I mean and and and what
Speaker 1: a great job for him, you know, to to kind
Speaker 1: of keep his career going. I really thought, I really
Speaker 1: thought he was going to make the practice squad. I mean,
Speaker 1: when you get an eighty yard touchdown in the last
Speaker 1: preseason game usually lands to a spot on the practice squad.
Speaker 1: Jesse Holly as that point, he had five hundred yards
Speaker 1: last year. G Yeah, yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, it's a
Speaker 1: good story. It's a great story. I'm scared about my
Speaker 1: mentions if he makes a big play in this game,
Speaker 1: because everybody knows where he started. Yeah, and who played
Speaker 1: in front of him, I mean, who did they keep
Speaker 1: for him? I mean I'm trying to think the guys
Speaker 1: that are here right now. Yeah, I mean, Noah Brown,
Speaker 1: I mean that's you know that kind of stuff. All Right,
Speaker 1: we'll appreciate you guys, join us we'll be back on tomorrow.
Speaker 1: We're gonna wrap up the weekend you guys. Let you
Speaker 1: guys know, huh back, I just wanted to say a
Speaker 1: name other than in the show on Noah Brown, great
Speaker 1: say Dek Prescott, the diaper as werena say see here, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Friday will be in a better mood Friday exactly. This
Speaker 1: was a This was a downer show, and I'm sorry
Speaker 1: to uplift you guys. Started he was like some news,
Speaker 1: it ain't great. Well, you know, if Derek had tried
Speaker 1: to spend it as great news, I would have made
Speaker 1: fun of him. So I wasn't gonna you could have
Speaker 1: spen this. I mean, what's the episode show twenty two.
Speaker 1: We couldn't even do that. I was so I just
Speaker 1: I've ever said yesterday when I heard this news, I've
Speaker 1: been kind of on a downer, but you know, it
Speaker 1: is what it is. It is. Well, we'll be back tomorrow.
Speaker 1: We'll wrap up the week for you guys. Let you
Speaker 1: guys know. We thing's gonna happen on Sunday till then.
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