WEBVTT - Short Stuff: Dingoes! 0:00:04.519 --> 0:00:07.000 Hey, you welcome to the short stuff. I'm Josh, there's 0:00:07.120 --> 0:00:10.639 Chuck and Dave's here in spirit of course, and this 0:00:10.720 --> 0:00:14.680 is short stuff on dingoes. And I can bet you 0:00:14.840 --> 0:00:18.160 a trillion dollars the next thing that Chuck is going 0:00:18.200 --> 0:00:22.400 to say, hmm, could be one of two things. No, 0:00:22.800 --> 0:00:27.120 it's just the one I met dingoes in Australia and 0:00:28.480 --> 0:00:31.720 I just lost a trillion dollars because of you. Were 0:00:31.720 --> 0:00:34.239 you gonna say a dingo ate, my baby? I was 0:00:34.280 --> 0:00:36.320 going to say that. You were going to say that. No, 0:00:36.440 --> 0:00:39.680 I really was going to save that uh. And and 0:00:39.680 --> 0:00:42.240 talk very briefly about when we went on our tour 0:00:42.280 --> 0:00:45.080 of Australia and my buddy Scotty met me over there 0:00:45.080 --> 0:00:46.560 and we were able to take a couple of days 0:00:46.600 --> 0:00:49.559 and go to this uh and we did a lot 0:00:49.600 --> 0:00:51.720 of stuff. But one day we went to this I 0:00:51.720 --> 0:00:53.080 guess a game ranch. I don't know what they call 0:00:53.159 --> 0:00:55.560 him over there, but you know, we hold koala bears 0:00:55.600 --> 0:00:58.360 and all that stuff, and we got to have the 0:00:58.440 --> 0:01:02.400 dingo experience where we out into a dingo pin. Yeah. 0:01:02.440 --> 0:01:04.839 I fought him, Yeah, I fought him to the dead. 0:01:07.120 --> 0:01:10.080 It was cool and it was it was like, did 0:01:10.120 --> 0:01:11.720 you see dingoes when you were over there, did you 0:01:11.800 --> 0:01:14.200 meet anything? No, I I know, And it's weird, like 0:01:14.240 --> 0:01:16.679 because because you did something like that too, right, Yeah, 0:01:16.720 --> 0:01:19.240 we saw I don't think I saw dingoes. We went 0:01:19.280 --> 0:01:21.200 to one of those things. We hung out with kangaroos 0:01:21.200 --> 0:01:22.760 and hung out with koal and all that stuff, But 0:01:23.160 --> 0:01:25.480 I don't remember seeing a dingo. And I looked up 0:01:25.560 --> 0:01:27.120 dingoes and I was like, that is not what I 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:29.199 had in my head. And I realized I've been thinking 0:01:29.280 --> 0:01:33.720 hyenas this whole time. Yeah, it's they were, you know, 0:01:33.760 --> 0:01:36.880 because you want to as a dog owner for my 0:01:36.920 --> 0:01:38.440 whole life, you wanted to be like, oh, it's just 0:01:38.480 --> 0:01:42.120 a dog. But it's not just a dog. It was different. 0:01:42.160 --> 0:01:44.640 It had a different disposition, they walked a little different. 0:01:45.360 --> 0:01:47.960 It was um it's sort of like when you see 0:01:47.960 --> 0:01:49.560 a coyote and you're like, oh no, no no, no, that's 0:01:49.600 --> 0:01:53.520 not a dog. Yeah, it's a wild dog. Yeah. And 0:01:53.640 --> 0:01:59.040 a dingo. Actually inteen got its own designation as Cannis 0:01:59.440 --> 0:02:03.360 Familiar RS. And this was all in my research to 0:02:03.400 --> 0:02:07.640 find out, like, is a dingo a dog really? And 0:02:08.639 --> 0:02:11.840 I think that they are descended from the same line, 0:02:12.040 --> 0:02:14.679 but they have their own distinction. Now, well, Caine is 0:02:14.760 --> 0:02:18.200 familiaris is the dog that's the domestic dog, like momos 0:02:18.200 --> 0:02:21.400 a Kene is familiaris Lucy's kines. No, there was another one. 0:02:21.440 --> 0:02:24.360 Then they came up with a new name altogether. Okay, 0:02:24.400 --> 0:02:26.720 so it is its own species thing because I saw 0:02:26.840 --> 0:02:31.120 somewhere um that that host on a I think it 0:02:31.160 --> 0:02:34.880 was called Animal Logic, uh did a YouTube video I 0:02:34.919 --> 0:02:38.240 watched on them, and she said that that they may 0:02:38.280 --> 0:02:41.000 be their own species. So that's a new thing. Then 0:02:41.040 --> 0:02:45.280 I think I'm double checking now because I feel like 0:02:45.320 --> 0:02:49.120 a dope. It says dingo declared a separate species. I 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:50.680 think I just got the name wrong. God, look at 0:02:50.680 --> 0:02:53.000 those cute little guys. I know they are cute. They 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:54.440 look you know what, they look a lot like or 0:02:54.520 --> 0:02:57.040 she but he knews they totally do. My friend Meredith 0:02:57.040 --> 0:02:59.400 has those and they look a lot like those. Yeah, 0:02:59.440 --> 0:03:04.760 and which would makes sense because they have definitely connected. 0:03:04.840 --> 0:03:08.080 I don't think definitively, but let's say that they definitely 0:03:08.080 --> 0:03:11.360 and that somebody carried out a study. So they definitely 0:03:11.400 --> 0:03:14.520 carried out a study, but that they connected dingoes to 0:03:14.919 --> 0:03:19.440 Southeast Asian dogs and uh, sheba, you knew are definitely 0:03:19.560 --> 0:03:24.440 Asian East Asian UM. So it's entirely possible that they 0:03:24.440 --> 0:03:26.600 are highly related. At the very least they look a 0:03:26.639 --> 0:03:28.679 lot like sheba, you knows, and we can at least 0:03:28.760 --> 0:03:31.000 leave it at that right, And of course they are 0:03:31.160 --> 0:03:34.080 still in Asia today as far as their distribution. But 0:03:34.160 --> 0:03:36.840 they really you think of Australia when you think of 0:03:36.840 --> 0:03:40.160 a dingo, They've been around for thousands of years there. 0:03:40.800 --> 0:03:47.880 They are UM I think, the largest mammal carnivore in Australia. 0:03:48.200 --> 0:03:51.360 And depending on where you find these guys in Australia, 0:03:51.880 --> 0:03:55.560 they might be different colored if you what you usually 0:03:55.600 --> 0:03:57.960 think of is that sort of like the sheba's, those 0:03:58.240 --> 0:04:00.640 sort of ginger coats with a little white feet, a 0:04:00.680 --> 0:04:03.600 little white feet socks. But apparently they can be a 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:09.200 little more golden yellow UM in the desert, I think yeah, 0:04:09.200 --> 0:04:11.360 And they can also be the ones that live along 0:04:11.400 --> 0:04:13.800 the edges of a forest are usually a darker brown 0:04:13.920 --> 0:04:16.840 or even almost black too so, and they can they 0:04:16.839 --> 0:04:20.599 can live wherever. Apparently it's a source of water is 0:04:20.640 --> 0:04:23.560 the thing that really limits them because they'll eat just 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:28.360 about anything and their opportunistic feeders. But depending on where 0:04:28.360 --> 0:04:31.159 they live, their their coats will have developed a different color, 0:04:31.600 --> 0:04:35.480 that's right. Uh, they breed once a year and they 0:04:35.520 --> 0:04:38.560 have five or six little pups and they'll raise them 0:04:38.640 --> 0:04:41.760 cute and uh they raise them in like protected areas, 0:04:41.800 --> 0:04:45.520 like a sheltered rock area. It says here that they 0:04:45.520 --> 0:04:48.240 can they can be raised in wombat burrows or rabbit 0:04:48.240 --> 0:04:53.080 warrens or hollow logs. And I believe they wean at 0:04:53.080 --> 0:04:56.719 about two months and they could either be left behind 0:04:56.760 --> 0:04:58.520 there that the mom and the dad both help raise, 0:04:58.520 --> 0:05:00.920 which is kind of cool. But at that two month 0:05:00.920 --> 0:05:03.440 period when they're weaning, they can either be abandoned or 0:05:03.600 --> 0:05:05.920 they might hang around for about a year and freeload 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:10.440 on the couch. All right, Yeah, they're cute too. Man. 0:05:10.480 --> 0:05:14.919 Have you seen like little dingo pups now? But I 0:05:14.920 --> 0:05:18.040 I saw that between six and seven months they're basically 0:05:18.120 --> 0:05:20.240 totally equipped to be on their own if they need 0:05:20.279 --> 0:05:23.200 to be. That's right. They can reak havoc. They're kind 0:05:23.200 --> 0:05:26.240 of known as a pest in Australia. Yes, especially if 0:05:26.240 --> 0:05:28.640 you're in the livestock industry. Yeah, they can reabo on 0:05:28.640 --> 0:05:30.720 the lads stock. And I don't know if it's still 0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:33.840 the biggest fence in the world, but at least at 0:05:33.880 --> 0:05:37.840 the time, the largest fence on planet Earth was erected 0:05:38.240 --> 0:05:42.200 to protect grazing lands from protective sheep from these dingos 0:05:43.080 --> 0:05:46.760 five thousand kilometers long. I bet it's still the biggest one. 0:05:47.400 --> 0:05:49.359 It's got to be. It's still up for sure. But 0:05:49.440 --> 0:05:51.960 it was raised in the nineteenth century by the livestock 0:05:52.000 --> 0:05:55.640 industry saying, like dingoes, you stay over here. And it 0:05:55.720 --> 0:05:59.080 worked so much so that they're finding that, um, you know, 0:05:59.200 --> 0:06:01.200 dingos are an ape tex predator, like you said, they're 0:06:01.240 --> 0:06:06.400 the largest carnivore on the continent in Um Australia UM. 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:09.279 And as an apex preator, they kind of keep populations 0:06:09.279 --> 0:06:11.400 in check, and there's all sorts of knock on effects, 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:16.520 like they hunt kangaroos, and apparently they found that kangaroos 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:21.200 that aren't predated by dingoes um tend to overeat and 0:06:21.480 --> 0:06:24.360 the population can actually starve because they eat too much 0:06:24.480 --> 0:06:27.720 vegetation and strip the land of its vegetation, and dingoes 0:06:27.720 --> 0:06:30.440 actually helped keep that in check. So there's supposedly, according 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:32.960 to animal logic, at least a debate over whether to 0:06:33.040 --> 0:06:35.880 let dingoes back over the fence, but the livestock industry 0:06:35.960 --> 0:06:42.120 is like nay, not like of course yes. And if 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:45.120 you're wondering if those dogs, those dingoes you're seeing our 0:06:45.200 --> 0:06:48.960 part dog in Australia, Um, there's about a thirty percent 0:06:49.040 --> 0:06:54.320 chance that it is been doing the deed with the dog. Yeah. 0:06:54.400 --> 0:06:59.800 I think a third of Southeastern Australia's dingoes or hybrids. Right, Okay, 0:06:59.839 --> 0:07:02.240 so chuck, let's take a break and then we'll come 0:07:02.279 --> 0:07:28.880 back and spit some more dingo facts after this stop. Okay, 0:07:28.960 --> 0:07:33.480 so we're back. I have one, Um, dingoes supposedly don't bark. 0:07:33.720 --> 0:07:36.040 They can howl. They communicate by howling. It's not like 0:07:36.040 --> 0:07:40.239 they just sit there quietly and just shrug like they bark. 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:42.760 They don't bark, is the thing, which is kind of 0:07:42.800 --> 0:07:46.360 interesting because well I don't know why it's interesting now 0:07:46.360 --> 0:07:48.200 that I think about it, but it seemed interesting at 0:07:48.240 --> 0:07:49.840 the time when I first heard it. Yeah, I think 0:07:49.880 --> 0:07:52.120 they can bark, but they tend not to. They tend 0:07:52.200 --> 0:07:57.640 to communicate with those little holley sounds. Right. So um, 0:07:57.680 --> 0:08:00.440 that was really I think the last great dingo fact 0:08:01.400 --> 0:08:04.040 leading up to the big finish, don't you think? Yeah, 0:08:04.120 --> 0:08:07.440 the big question did a dingo eat that baby? Well, 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:09.600 tell everybody what you're talking about, especially the ones who 0:08:09.640 --> 0:08:13.400 haven't seen Seinfeld aren't fans of the Meryll Meryl Street. Yeah, 0:08:13.440 --> 0:08:16.040 there was a movie called what was a Cry in 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:19.440 the Dark in nineteen or just Crying the Dark in 0:08:19.520 --> 0:08:25.960 nineteen where Meryl Streep played Lyndy Chamberlain with the very 0:08:25.960 --> 0:08:30.720 famous Selacious murder trial that happened in the nineteen eighties 0:08:30.800 --> 0:08:37.079 when very very tragically Um her her young daughter, Azaria Chamberlain, 0:08:37.160 --> 0:08:39.600 was nine weeks old and disappeared when they were camping 0:08:39.600 --> 0:08:45.400 in Australia and she was She went to prison for murder, 0:08:45.760 --> 0:08:48.840 they said, they concluded, and this is without any kind 0:08:48.880 --> 0:08:52.199 of evidence whatsoever. They concluded that it was actually a 0:08:52.240 --> 0:08:55.400 sort of a lack of evidence that helped convictor Um 0:08:55.480 --> 0:08:58.040 that she like slit her baby's throat in the car 0:08:58.640 --> 0:09:01.520 and then went back in was with her camping, you know, 0:09:01.559 --> 0:09:03.800 with her family camping, and then went back into the 0:09:03.840 --> 0:09:07.280 tent and started screeching out the famous lines A dingo 0:09:07.640 --> 0:09:11.160 either took my baby or a dingo ate my baby, yes, 0:09:11.679 --> 0:09:16.360 and like so Australia didn't show its best face on 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:21.600 this initially. There was like basically a like Australians just 0:09:21.640 --> 0:09:25.000 didn't believe at the time that dingos would would unprompted 0:09:25.120 --> 0:09:28.880 or unprovoked attack human and carry off even a nine 0:09:28.880 --> 0:09:30.840 week old baby. It just didn't make sense. There was 0:09:30.880 --> 0:09:33.200 no record of them ever doing that, so it seemed 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:36.000 unlikely to begin with. But I read also that they 0:09:36.120 --> 0:09:40.040 that there was apparently a bit of um xenophobia against 0:09:40.040 --> 0:09:43.520 the Chamberlain family because they were Seventh Day Adventists. I 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:47.040 think so, like there were rumors that the daughter's name 0:09:47.520 --> 0:09:52.160 meant um sacrifice in the wilderness um, and just weird 0:09:52.240 --> 0:09:56.240 stuff like that, like like nothing pretty um. And and 0:09:57.040 --> 0:10:01.960 the idea that Lyndy Chamberlain was actually put in prison 0:10:02.480 --> 0:10:07.440 on just total circumstantial evidence. Uh, it's pretty significant she 0:10:07.520 --> 0:10:09.640 was finally released, and I think the family was paid 0:10:09.679 --> 0:10:14.320 by the state um because she got railroaded and everyone 0:10:14.400 --> 0:10:16.480 knew she didn't actually do it. But there was just 0:10:16.600 --> 0:10:20.280 never any conclusive evidence that a dingo did eat her 0:10:20.280 --> 0:10:26.120 baby until another kid got attacked, right, Well, I didn't 0:10:26.160 --> 0:10:28.280 hear about that. Um. One of the big pieces of 0:10:29.280 --> 0:10:32.040 lack of evidence was the fact that she said that 0:10:32.120 --> 0:10:35.120 her baby had on a what's called a Mattinee jacket. 0:10:35.160 --> 0:10:37.240 It's like a little it's sort of like a little 0:10:37.400 --> 0:10:40.560 cape cardigan thing that you put on a baby, and 0:10:40.640 --> 0:10:42.600 they didn't find that thing anywhere, so they were like, 0:10:42.640 --> 0:10:45.640 she's lying because a mother knows how they dressed their babies. 0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:50.959 And they recovered the baby clothes, but um which had 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:52.600 some blood on him around the neck, which is why 0:10:52.640 --> 0:10:55.080 they thought she slit her throat. But they didn't recover 0:10:55.120 --> 0:10:58.080 this Mattinee jacket, and so that helped convict her. And 0:10:58.120 --> 0:11:01.679 then uh, in nineteen eighty six, a guy was climbing 0:11:02.559 --> 0:11:05.640 uh in that camping area, fell to his death, and 0:11:05.720 --> 0:11:08.600 when they discovered the remains a few weeks later, they 0:11:08.600 --> 0:11:13.040 found that little Matinee jacket and that helped. Uh. That 0:11:13.160 --> 0:11:16.920 helped spring her from prison. Okay, well, then maybe it 0:11:17.000 --> 0:11:21.280 was the popular public opinion changed when it emerged that 0:11:21.400 --> 0:11:25.240 like other kids had been attacked by dingoes or were 0:11:25.360 --> 0:11:28.600 later on. And then finally, I think in two thousand twelve, 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:31.200 you dug up a New York Times article that UH, 0:11:31.320 --> 0:11:34.720 the fourth coroner's inquest into the death of his area 0:11:34.920 --> 0:11:41.360 chamberlain UH finally vindicated Lyndy Chamberlain said that no dingo 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:44.160 did kill this little girl. It's definitely not her mom, 0:11:44.160 --> 0:11:48.839 and they amended her death certificate finally final, like true vindication. Yeah, 0:11:49.080 --> 0:11:51.720 but apparently Lindy Chamberlain was like, I'm not giving up. 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:54.360 I'm going to keep agitating for these corner in quests 0:11:54.400 --> 0:11:58.080 until I'm finally exonerating. And then she finally was so 0:11:58.200 --> 0:12:01.480 that's dingoes. Uh. You can try and sugar on them 0:12:01.520 --> 0:12:04.160 like dogs, but the ones at this game wrench weren't 0:12:04.240 --> 0:12:06.880 weren't dogs. They didn't want to snug as much. Okay, 0:12:07.360 --> 0:12:10.000 good advice. I pulled out all the stops. I know, 0:12:10.040 --> 0:12:13.640 all the tricks you tried to give him, pap RONI. Yeah, 0:12:13.760 --> 0:12:15.720 I gave him all the scritches and all the right places, 0:12:15.800 --> 0:12:18.240 and they were just like, okay, I'll be over here. 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