1 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 1: Hey, you welcome to the short stuff. I'm Josh, there's 2 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:10,639 Speaker 1: Chuck and Dave's here in spirit of course, and this 3 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: is short stuff on dingoes. And I can bet you 4 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 1: a trillion dollars the next thing that Chuck is going 5 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: to say, hmm, could be one of two things. No, 6 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: it's just the one I met dingoes in Australia and 7 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: I just lost a trillion dollars because of you. Were 8 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:34,239 Speaker 1: you gonna say a dingo ate, my baby? I was 9 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: going to say that. You were going to say that. No, 10 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: I really was going to save that uh. And and 11 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 1: talk very briefly about when we went on our tour 12 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 1: of Australia and my buddy Scotty met me over there 13 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:46,560 Speaker 1: and we were able to take a couple of days 14 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:49,559 Speaker 1: and go to this uh and we did a lot 15 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 1: of stuff. But one day we went to this I 16 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: guess a game ranch. I don't know what they call 17 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: him over there, but you know, we hold koala bears 18 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 1: and all that stuff, and we got to have the 19 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: dingo experience where we out into a dingo pin. Yeah. 20 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:04,839 Speaker 1: I fought him, Yeah, I fought him to the dead. 21 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 1: It was cool and it was it was like, did 22 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 1: you see dingoes when you were over there, did you 23 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: meet anything? No, I I know, And it's weird, like 24 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 1: because because you did something like that too, right, Yeah, 25 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: we saw I don't think I saw dingoes. We went 26 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 1: to one of those things. We hung out with kangaroos 27 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 1: and hung out with koal and all that stuff, But 28 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 1: I don't remember seeing a dingo. And I looked up 29 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 1: dingoes and I was like, that is not what I 30 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:29,199 Speaker 1: had in my head. And I realized I've been thinking 31 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: hyenas this whole time. Yeah, it's they were, you know, 32 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: because you want to as a dog owner for my 33 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: whole life, you wanted to be like, oh, it's just 34 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 1: a dog. But it's not just a dog. It was different. 35 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: It had a different disposition, they walked a little different. 36 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: It was um it's sort of like when you see 37 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 1: a coyote and you're like, oh no, no no, no, that's 38 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 1: not a dog. Yeah, it's a wild dog. Yeah. And 39 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: a dingo. Actually inteen got its own designation as Cannis 40 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: Familiar RS. And this was all in my research to 41 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: find out, like, is a dingo a dog really? And 42 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: I think that they are descended from the same line, 43 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:14,679 Speaker 1: but they have their own distinction. Now, well, Caine is 44 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: familiaris is the dog that's the domestic dog, like momos 45 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 1: a Kene is familiaris Lucy's kines. No, there was another one. 46 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:24,360 Speaker 1: Then they came up with a new name altogether. Okay, 47 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: so it is its own species thing because I saw 48 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 1: somewhere um that that host on a I think it 49 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: was called Animal Logic, uh did a YouTube video I 50 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 1: watched on them, and she said that that they may 51 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: be their own species. So that's a new thing. Then 52 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 1: I think I'm double checking now because I feel like 53 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 1: a dope. It says dingo declared a separate species. I 54 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: think I just got the name wrong. God, look at 55 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: those cute little guys. I know they are cute. They 56 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: look you know what, they look a lot like or 57 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 1: she but he knews they totally do. My friend Meredith 58 00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 1: has those and they look a lot like those. Yeah, 59 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 1: and which would makes sense because they have definitely connected. 60 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 1: I don't think definitively, but let's say that they definitely 61 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 1: and that somebody carried out a study. So they definitely 62 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 1: carried out a study, but that they connected dingoes to 63 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: Southeast Asian dogs and uh, sheba, you knew are definitely 64 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 1: Asian East Asian UM. So it's entirely possible that they 65 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 1: are highly related. At the very least they look a 66 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:28,679 Speaker 1: lot like sheba, you knows, and we can at least 67 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 1: leave it at that right, And of course they are 68 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 1: still in Asia today as far as their distribution. But 69 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: they really you think of Australia when you think of 70 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 1: a dingo, They've been around for thousands of years there. 71 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: They are UM I think, the largest mammal carnivore in Australia. 72 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 1: And depending on where you find these guys in Australia, 73 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: they might be different colored if you what you usually 74 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: think of is that sort of like the sheba's, those 75 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: sort of ginger coats with a little white feet, a 76 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 1: little white feet socks. But apparently they can be a 77 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: little more golden yellow UM in the desert, I think yeah, 78 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: And they can also be the ones that live along 79 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 1: the edges of a forest are usually a darker brown 80 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:16,840 Speaker 1: or even almost black too so, and they can they 81 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:20,599 Speaker 1: can live wherever. Apparently it's a source of water is 82 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: the thing that really limits them because they'll eat just 83 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 1: about anything and their opportunistic feeders. But depending on where 84 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:31,159 Speaker 1: they live, their their coats will have developed a different color, 85 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:35,480 Speaker 1: that's right. Uh, they breed once a year and they 86 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 1: have five or six little pups and they'll raise them 87 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 1: cute and uh they raise them in like protected areas, 88 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: like a sheltered rock area. It says here that they 89 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: can they can be raised in wombat burrows or rabbit 90 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: warrens or hollow logs. And I believe they wean at 91 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 1: about two months and they could either be left behind 92 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 1: there that the mom and the dad both help raise, 93 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 1: which is kind of cool. But at that two month 94 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 1: period when they're weaning, they can either be abandoned or 95 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 1: they might hang around for about a year and freeload 96 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 1: on the couch. All right, Yeah, they're cute too. Man. 97 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:14,919 Speaker 1: Have you seen like little dingo pups now? But I 98 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 1: I saw that between six and seven months they're basically 99 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 1: totally equipped to be on their own if they need 100 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: to be. That's right. They can reak havoc. They're kind 101 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 1: of known as a pest in Australia. Yes, especially if 102 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: you're in the livestock industry. Yeah, they can reabo on 103 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:30,720 Speaker 1: the lads stock. And I don't know if it's still 104 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:33,840 Speaker 1: the biggest fence in the world, but at least at 105 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:37,840 Speaker 1: the time, the largest fence on planet Earth was erected 106 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: to protect grazing lands from protective sheep from these dingos 107 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 1: five thousand kilometers long. I bet it's still the biggest one. 108 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:49,359 Speaker 1: It's got to be. It's still up for sure. But 109 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: it was raised in the nineteenth century by the livestock 110 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: industry saying, like dingoes, you stay over here. And it 111 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 1: worked so much so that they're finding that, um, you know, 112 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: dingos are an ape tex predator, like you said, they're 113 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: the largest carnivore on the continent in Um Australia UM. 114 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 1: And as an apex preator, they kind of keep populations 115 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 1: in check, and there's all sorts of knock on effects, 116 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: like they hunt kangaroos, and apparently they found that kangaroos 117 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: that aren't predated by dingoes um tend to overeat and 118 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 1: the population can actually starve because they eat too much 119 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:27,720 Speaker 1: vegetation and strip the land of its vegetation, and dingoes 120 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: actually helped keep that in check. So there's supposedly, according 121 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 1: to animal logic, at least a debate over whether to 122 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 1: let dingoes back over the fence, but the livestock industry 123 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 1: is like nay, not like of course yes. And if 124 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 1: you're wondering if those dogs, those dingoes you're seeing our 125 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 1: part dog in Australia, Um, there's about a thirty percent 126 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: chance that it is been doing the deed with the dog. Yeah. 127 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: I think a third of Southeastern Australia's dingoes or hybrids. Right, Okay, 128 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 1: so chuck, let's take a break and then we'll come 129 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: back and spit some more dingo facts after this stop. Okay, 130 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: so we're back. I have one, Um, dingoes supposedly don't bark. 131 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: They can howl. They communicate by howling. It's not like 132 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:40,239 Speaker 1: they just sit there quietly and just shrug like they bark. 133 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: They don't bark, is the thing, which is kind of 134 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: interesting because well I don't know why it's interesting now 135 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 1: that I think about it, but it seemed interesting at 136 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 1: the time when I first heard it. Yeah, I think 137 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 1: they can bark, but they tend not to. They tend 138 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: to communicate with those little holley sounds. Right. So um, 139 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: that was really I think the last great dingo fact 140 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: leading up to the big finish, don't you think? Yeah, 141 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: the big question did a dingo eat that baby? Well, 142 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: tell everybody what you're talking about, especially the ones who 143 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: haven't seen Seinfeld aren't fans of the Meryll Meryl Street. Yeah, 144 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: there was a movie called what was a Cry in 145 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 1: the Dark in nineteen or just Crying the Dark in 146 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: nineteen where Meryl Streep played Lyndy Chamberlain with the very 147 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 1: famous Selacious murder trial that happened in the nineteen eighties 148 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:37,079 Speaker 1: when very very tragically Um her her young daughter, Azaria Chamberlain, 149 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 1: was nine weeks old and disappeared when they were camping 150 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 1: in Australia and she was She went to prison for murder, 151 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 1: they said, they concluded, and this is without any kind 152 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:52,199 Speaker 1: of evidence whatsoever. They concluded that it was actually a 153 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 1: sort of a lack of evidence that helped convictor Um 154 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: that she like slit her baby's throat in the car 155 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 1: and then went back in was with her camping, you know, 156 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: with her family camping, and then went back into the 157 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: tent and started screeching out the famous lines A dingo 158 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: either took my baby or a dingo ate my baby, yes, 159 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 1: and like so Australia didn't show its best face on 160 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 1: this initially. There was like basically a like Australians just 161 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 1: didn't believe at the time that dingos would would unprompted 162 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 1: or unprovoked attack human and carry off even a nine 163 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 1: week old baby. It just didn't make sense. There was 164 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 1: no record of them ever doing that, so it seemed 165 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 1: unlikely to begin with. But I read also that they 166 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: that there was apparently a bit of um xenophobia against 167 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: the Chamberlain family because they were Seventh Day Adventists. I 168 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: think so, like there were rumors that the daughter's name 169 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 1: meant um sacrifice in the wilderness um, and just weird 170 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 1: stuff like that, like like nothing pretty um. And and 171 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 1: the idea that Lyndy Chamberlain was actually put in prison 172 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 1: on just total circumstantial evidence. Uh, it's pretty significant she 173 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: was finally released, and I think the family was paid 174 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 1: by the state um because she got railroaded and everyone 175 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: knew she didn't actually do it. But there was just 176 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 1: never any conclusive evidence that a dingo did eat her 177 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: baby until another kid got attacked, right, Well, I didn't 178 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 1: hear about that. Um. One of the big pieces of 179 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 1: lack of evidence was the fact that she said that 180 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 1: her baby had on a what's called a Mattinee jacket. 181 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 1: It's like a little it's sort of like a little 182 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 1: cape cardigan thing that you put on a baby, and 183 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 1: they didn't find that thing anywhere, so they were like, 184 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 1: she's lying because a mother knows how they dressed their babies. 185 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:50,959 Speaker 1: And they recovered the baby clothes, but um which had 186 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 1: some blood on him around the neck, which is why 187 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 1: they thought she slit her throat. But they didn't recover 188 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 1: this Mattinee jacket, and so that helped convict her. And 189 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:01,679 Speaker 1: then uh, in nineteen eighty six, a guy was climbing 190 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: uh in that camping area, fell to his death, and 191 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 1: when they discovered the remains a few weeks later, they 192 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: found that little Matinee jacket and that helped. Uh. That 193 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 1: helped spring her from prison. Okay, well, then maybe it 194 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: was the popular public opinion changed when it emerged that 195 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: like other kids had been attacked by dingoes or were 196 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 1: later on. And then finally, I think in two thousand twelve, 197 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 1: you dug up a New York Times article that UH, 198 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 1: the fourth coroner's inquest into the death of his area 199 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 1: chamberlain UH finally vindicated Lyndy Chamberlain said that no dingo 200 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 1: did kill this little girl. It's definitely not her mom, 201 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:48,839 Speaker 1: and they amended her death certificate finally final, like true vindication. Yeah, 202 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 1: but apparently Lindy Chamberlain was like, I'm not giving up. 203 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 1: I'm going to keep agitating for these corner in quests 204 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 1: until I'm finally exonerating. And then she finally was so 205 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 1: that's dingoes. Uh. You can try and sugar on them 206 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 1: like dogs, but the ones at this game wrench weren't 207 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 1: weren't dogs. They didn't want to snug as much. Okay, 208 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 1: good advice. I pulled out all the stops. I know, 209 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 1: all the tricks you tried to give him, pap RONI. Yeah, 210 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 1: I gave him all the scritches and all the right places, 211 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 1: and they were just like, okay, I'll be over here. Yeah. 212 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 1: Thanks human. Let's stop doing this immedian and speaking of, 213 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 1: let's stop doing this immediately. Short Stuff is out. 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