WEBVTT - Let’s be Collaborative...with James Cullen Bressack 0:00:02.560 --> 0:00:07.880 This is Let's Be Clear with Shannon Doorny. Hey, I'm 0:00:07.880 --> 0:00:12.360 Shannon Dohorty. Welcome to another episode of Let's Be Clear. Today, 0:00:12.560 --> 0:00:17.079 I am joined by a very good friend, producer, screenwriter, 0:00:17.239 --> 0:00:20.720 and film director, oh James Scoland pres. 0:00:21.160 --> 0:00:24.880 I'm sorry, I had to, Okay, I'm. 0:00:24.680 --> 0:00:26.680 Just I'm also laughing because I'm like, you know, you're 0:00:27.680 --> 0:00:30.200 I'm like, I'm Shannon's friend. I guess I do all 0:00:30.240 --> 0:00:30.960 these other things. 0:00:30.960 --> 0:00:33.320 But I'm like, you know, I know, but you do 0:00:33.400 --> 0:00:34.320 do all those No, but it. 0:00:34.360 --> 0:00:36.319 Was, it was it was weird hearing you say it. It 0:00:36.400 --> 0:00:41.159 was I know, because yeah, I mean we did. We 0:00:41.159 --> 0:00:43.520 did blood leg when I was twenty one years old 0:00:44.080 --> 0:00:47.720 and I turned thirty two. Wow, I turned thirty. So 0:00:47.800 --> 0:00:49.080 we're talking eleven years. 0:00:49.120 --> 0:00:50.800 I can't believe we put up with each other for 0:00:50.840 --> 0:00:51.480 eleven years. 0:00:51.560 --> 0:00:54.279 I know we've only had like one significant fight. What 0:00:54.320 --> 0:00:55.880 was the fight you left me in the middle of 0:00:55.920 --> 0:00:56.520 the desert. 0:01:00.680 --> 0:01:04.120 You deserved it. I did it, and it was a joke. 0:01:04.400 --> 0:01:06.880 It was, but it totally like what a little further 0:01:06.959 --> 0:01:10.720 than funny, well for you, total for me. 0:01:11.000 --> 0:01:13.919 I kept myself laughing totally. 0:01:15.000 --> 0:01:19.280 I know you were totally laughing It's basically. What I 0:01:19.319 --> 0:01:21.320 remember is like I was, I was driving you home 0:01:21.360 --> 0:01:24.600 from set. Right we were in Arizona, uh huh, and 0:01:25.040 --> 0:01:28.200 you were we were driving down this like road in 0:01:28.200 --> 0:01:29.880 the middle of the desert. 0:01:29.600 --> 0:01:32.080 Back way up. It was for a movie for a movie. 0:01:31.959 --> 0:01:34.280 Yes, a movie that I was producing, that you were 0:01:34.319 --> 0:01:34.720 acting in. 0:01:34.760 --> 0:01:35.640 And what was it called. 0:01:35.680 --> 0:01:36.520 I don't even remember. 0:01:36.560 --> 0:01:39.319 Something about the devil, something about the devil, And I 0:01:39.400 --> 0:01:40.040 played the devil. 0:01:40.080 --> 0:01:40.759 You played the devil. 0:01:41.120 --> 0:01:43.680 And some people right now are like, whoa, that's sitting 0:01:44.280 --> 0:01:47.680 and I'm like to those people, I'm like, turn it off. 0:01:47.840 --> 0:01:50.040 We we have this like playful dynamic the whole time 0:01:50.120 --> 0:01:52.760 because we were friends and stuff, and you know, we 0:01:52.800 --> 0:01:55.280 were joking around a lot. We were playing you know, 0:01:55.320 --> 0:01:57.840 we we we wrote the script together to have some 0:01:57.960 --> 0:01:59.640 add some comedy to your role and stuff. And I 0:01:59.680 --> 0:02:03.320 remember we're driving back. I'm driving you like we're in 0:02:03.360 --> 0:02:06.080 the middle of like no, there's no like lamp posts, 0:02:06.120 --> 0:02:08.760 there's no like lights or anything. It's like the desert. No, 0:02:08.840 --> 0:02:10.360 it's like flatland. 0:02:09.840 --> 0:02:11.280 Desk where you go to bury somebody. 0:02:11.320 --> 0:02:13.800 Yeah, for sure, You're just like I'm tired of you driving. 0:02:13.880 --> 0:02:16.200 I'm going to drive and I was like okay, and 0:02:16.280 --> 0:02:17.840 so like you hop out of the car, I go 0:02:17.880 --> 0:02:20.160 to like walk and you just like bolt, like you 0:02:20.240 --> 0:02:22.480 run like as fast as you can, like like fire 0:02:22.560 --> 0:02:25.080 drill over to the other side, hop in the car 0:02:25.280 --> 0:02:28.240 and just take off and like I'm like very funny. 0:02:28.360 --> 0:02:33.440 And then you just kept driving away because. 0:02:32.360 --> 0:02:36.240 It wouldn't have been funny if like my tail lights 0:02:36.280 --> 0:02:38.360 were still in view. I had to make sure the 0:02:38.360 --> 0:02:40.160 tail lights were completely out of you. 0:02:40.400 --> 0:02:43.079 Yeah, but like it went completely pitch black, and I'm 0:02:43.120 --> 0:02:47.040 standing there for like a solid minute going like, well, 0:02:47.080 --> 0:02:49.360 maybe I should call her and like no service on 0:02:49.400 --> 0:02:52.600 the phone, like look at the phone like three percent. 0:02:52.720 --> 0:02:56.200 I'm like, oh no, like oh this is where I die, 0:02:56.520 --> 0:03:00.000 Like all right, I know, I know. Yeah. Three hours 0:03:00.040 --> 0:03:03.600 years later she comes back left me there. 0:03:03.760 --> 0:03:06.840 I learned it was not three hours. It was like 0:03:06.880 --> 0:03:07.360 two minutes. 0:03:07.440 --> 0:03:09.919 It was like five minutes. Yeah, it's like three hours. 0:03:10.000 --> 0:03:15.360 Yeah yeah. Next thing, you know, you'll be saying that 0:03:15.400 --> 0:03:17.880 there was like coyotes howling. It was, and then all 0:03:17.880 --> 0:03:19.919 of a sudden you were like circled by actually back 0:03:20.000 --> 0:03:21.080 of like wolves. 0:03:21.120 --> 0:03:23.960 I was accepted into a wolf pack and that was 0:03:24.040 --> 0:03:24.920 how I survived. 0:03:25.080 --> 0:03:25.720 That makes sense. 0:03:25.800 --> 0:03:29.399 It was, Yeah, your screenwriting skills are coming into play 0:03:29.520 --> 0:03:32.919 right now because you're literally rewriting history as we speak, 0:03:33.400 --> 0:03:34.359 exactly exactly. 0:03:34.440 --> 0:03:37.080 But it was funny. It just went a little. 0:03:36.800 --> 0:03:40.000 Further than But I think that that whole experience had 0:03:40.000 --> 0:03:41.160 to go a little bit further than. 0:03:41.560 --> 0:03:41.800 Sure. 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:44.800 You know, we were there in Arizona together. 0:03:45.320 --> 0:03:50.200 You were the producer, and I basically said, yes, I'll 0:03:50.200 --> 0:03:52.840 do this, but only if James is also my assistance. 0:03:53.040 --> 0:03:55.960 Yeah, so I worked as your assistant the entire time, 0:03:55.960 --> 0:03:58.600 which pretty much just like involved driving you to it 0:03:58.640 --> 0:04:00.640 from upset. And I remember the one time we stopped 0:04:00.640 --> 0:04:03.200 at like you always wanted to go to this like 0:04:03.240 --> 0:04:06.040 taco shop. Yeah, and like I woke you up while 0:04:06.040 --> 0:04:07.880 we're in like the drive through of the taco shop. 0:04:07.880 --> 0:04:10.440 But it's like we were like driving back and you 0:04:10.600 --> 0:04:15.960 look up and you like read the side, like you 0:04:16.040 --> 0:04:19.480 got so excited, You got so excited, and then fell 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:22.880 asleep before we actually got the order out of the window. 0:04:23.040 --> 0:04:24.680 I know, but then you would always wake me up 0:04:24.680 --> 0:04:27.719 and I would I would polish off this. But we were, 0:04:27.800 --> 0:04:29.520 you know, driving home at what time? 0:04:29.640 --> 0:04:32.280 Well, because we were shooting like nine for nights overnight, 0:04:32.320 --> 0:04:35.080 so we were like coming home, like as the sun 0:04:35.240 --> 0:04:37.159 was starting to come up, you know, like it was 0:04:37.320 --> 0:04:41.280 like five always like ungodly, like Vampire Hour of like 0:04:41.360 --> 0:04:44.320 making movies what you do when it's like a horror thing. 0:04:44.400 --> 0:04:47.599 It's I think that was a very fun project for 0:04:47.680 --> 0:04:49.960 the two of us because we had a lot of leeway. 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:54.040 I mean you as a producer, and just because our director, 0:04:54.400 --> 0:04:55.840 you know, trusted both of us. 0:04:56.240 --> 0:04:59.960 So yeah, Perry Perry passed away, yeah last gar. 0:05:00.360 --> 0:05:04.159 So we were able to rewrite and then write stuff. 0:05:04.680 --> 0:05:06.800 And so we would sit in the trailer and just 0:05:07.000 --> 0:05:09.799 write and we were like cracking ourselves. 0:05:10.040 --> 0:05:12.240 It was like our own writer's room. And then we 0:05:12.360 --> 0:05:14.560 like started to like crack ourselves up. But we were 0:05:14.560 --> 0:05:16.960 like are we laughing because it's funny? Are we laughing? 0:05:17.040 --> 0:05:21.440 Because like and it's like four in the morning, and 0:05:21.520 --> 0:05:24.239 like I remember, you'd be like, come up with something funnier. 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:26.320 James was like, I got nothing. 0:05:26.360 --> 0:05:28.720 And then we would go to the set and tell them. 0:05:28.800 --> 0:05:32.080 We'd be like, just keep the camera rolling, yeah, don't 0:05:32.120 --> 0:05:36.080 even worry about like lines and responding to her, like 0:05:36.520 --> 0:05:39.479 just keep the camera rolling, and she's just gonna say 0:05:39.520 --> 0:05:42.520 a ton of different things. And I would I would 0:05:42.560 --> 0:05:44.720 just like roll with it and then and then you 0:05:44.720 --> 0:05:46.160 would throw like on the spot. 0:05:45.920 --> 0:05:47.360 You would think of something else and you'd be like, 0:05:47.480 --> 0:05:48.000 say this. 0:05:48.120 --> 0:05:51.720 I'd be like, I also wondering, like if it was 0:05:51.760 --> 0:05:52.640 as funny. 0:05:52.320 --> 0:05:57.440 As I don't know because I still haven't seen wait like. 0:05:57.400 --> 0:05:58.279 A hundred years. 0:05:58.360 --> 0:06:01.320 Yeah, as Anna's dad had a million times for it. 0:06:01.440 --> 0:06:04.280 Yeah, and this on the podcast, we're asking him now 0:06:05.160 --> 0:06:05.520 if you. 0:06:05.520 --> 0:06:09.840 Do not send me this movie, but we want every. 0:06:09.680 --> 0:06:11.120 Take that I'm in. 0:06:11.640 --> 0:06:19.240 Yeah, I'm gonna call you out hardcore because the listeners 0:06:19.680 --> 0:06:20.440 want to. 0:06:20.520 --> 0:06:22.240 They need to see it. They need to see you 0:06:22.440 --> 0:06:23.640 dress the devil. 0:06:23.880 --> 0:06:27.680 Yes. I actually loved playing like because there was just 0:06:27.760 --> 0:06:31.200 a lot of freedom. It was just silly and free 0:06:31.600 --> 0:06:36.280 and awesome. But we met, as you said, yeah, how 0:06:36.360 --> 0:06:37.000 many years ago? 0:06:37.000 --> 0:06:40.960 That was eleven, but a week before we started filming Blood. 0:06:40.760 --> 0:06:43.400 Leg Right, So I got offered this movie Blood leg 0:06:43.560 --> 0:06:46.520 which was not the best script in the world. 0:06:46.640 --> 0:06:50.320 It was about killer eel lamprey things. One of them 0:06:50.440 --> 0:06:53.320 goes up Christopher Lloyd's but it was pretty sure. 0:06:53.760 --> 0:06:56.599 It was not great, but it was a good paycheck 0:06:56.680 --> 0:06:59.480 and I was like, I'm going to do this. And 0:06:59.600 --> 0:07:03.760 also I love working with like young up and coming directors. 0:07:04.160 --> 0:07:08.640 Now did you always? Did you always? 0:07:08.800 --> 0:07:09.000 Yeah? 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:09.360 You did? 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:13.840 Okay, yeah, I mean Christopher landon Burning Palms, like yeah, absolutely. 0:07:15.520 --> 0:07:17.640 So we met. 0:07:17.360 --> 0:07:23.040 At Christy with long staircase. Yeah. 0:07:23.120 --> 0:07:26.200 So it was it was part of this like motel 0:07:26.280 --> 0:07:29.320 hotel holidays, and. 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:33.760 It had all these I mean I don't even know 0:07:33.760 --> 0:07:35.760 how many stairs to get to the restaurant, like it's 0:07:35.760 --> 0:07:36.280 a hike. 0:07:36.280 --> 0:07:38.240 Like it was. It was like a real staircase. 0:07:38.400 --> 0:07:42.280 Yes, it was a giant Yes. So we went there, yeah, 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:44.320 and had dinner to meet. 0:07:44.440 --> 0:07:47.320 We had dinner to meet, and like I was nervous because, like, 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:49.120 you know, this is the first time I'm working with 0:07:49.160 --> 0:07:51.800 like an actor that is like had like I had 0:07:51.840 --> 0:07:53.320 heard of you know, it's. 0:07:53.160 --> 0:07:56.720 Like well like she actually has a resume. 0:07:56.800 --> 0:07:58.760 Yeah, it's my first SAG movie, you know, Like it 0:07:58.800 --> 0:08:00.559 was the first time I was working with And also 0:08:00.600 --> 0:08:03.400 I was warned by like everybody that you were incredibly difficult. 0:08:04.080 --> 0:08:05.720 So I was like, Okay, this is like what I'm 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:08.200 going to deal with, Like okay, let me be prepared. 0:08:08.240 --> 0:08:10.320 So like I go and I sit and like I 0:08:10.400 --> 0:08:13.280 meet like the sweetest lady and then and then you 0:08:13.320 --> 0:08:18.240 show up. I meet the sweetest lady. No no, no, 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:20.120 like you know me and you both like sat there 0:08:20.120 --> 0:08:22.920 and we both agreed, like okay, this is a nonsense movie, 0:08:23.320 --> 0:08:25.000 but like how do we make it better? And we 0:08:25.040 --> 0:08:27.160 sat there, like, you know, coming up with how to 0:08:27.160 --> 0:08:29.360 make it better and like how to like add depth 0:08:29.360 --> 0:08:33.160 to your character. And I feel like that relationship you know, 0:08:33.240 --> 0:08:34.920 that we had on that very first day of like 0:08:34.960 --> 0:08:36.840 you know, hey, this script is not great, but how 0:08:36.840 --> 0:08:39.760 do we make it better? Has carried over into every 0:08:39.760 --> 0:08:42.800 project we've done. I agree because every time I do something, 0:08:42.800 --> 0:08:46.160 I mean, granted, we do better scripts now, but every 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:49.360 time you know me and you always have the conversation of, well, 0:08:49.400 --> 0:08:50.920 how do we make it better? And that's part of 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:53.360 why I love working with you so much is you know, 0:08:54.000 --> 0:08:56.839 you like to push me and you like to help 0:08:57.000 --> 0:09:01.000 me find you know, much more depth in the project. 0:09:01.160 --> 0:09:04.400 And I feel like vice versa exactly. And I think, 0:09:04.520 --> 0:09:06.760 like you know, working with each other, like we push 0:09:06.800 --> 0:09:09.440 each other, we try to find more and we don't 0:09:09.480 --> 0:09:11.840 like to just you know, settle, and I think that's 0:09:12.080 --> 0:09:13.400 I love that dynamic. 0:09:13.840 --> 0:09:16.800 Yeah, And it's never critical, like we're never critical of 0:09:16.840 --> 0:09:17.160 each other. 0:09:17.200 --> 0:09:18.680 It's always just like we. 0:09:18.520 --> 0:09:21.480 Were a little critical of eels going up people's but 0:09:21.559 --> 0:09:22.280 that was the deal. 0:09:22.720 --> 0:09:24.400 We are critical of, not of each other. 0:09:24.520 --> 0:09:37.040 Yeah, but there's you know, that idea that people have 0:09:37.200 --> 0:09:39.920 and when you meet a like minded person of like, Okay, 0:09:39.960 --> 0:09:43.400 I have this script in front of me, but can 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:44.160 it be better? 0:09:44.559 --> 0:09:48.600 Can we make something that's super silly and ridiculous. 0:09:48.679 --> 0:09:50.920 Actually and find like the heart of it? 0:09:51.080 --> 0:09:52.160 Yeah, find the heart of it. 0:09:52.240 --> 0:09:54.719 And I think, like, you know, I'm still proud of 0:09:54.760 --> 0:09:56.400 your performance in that. I think you give like a 0:09:56.520 --> 0:10:00.520 very believable performance in a ridiculous movie. Thank you, And 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:03.520 you kept it grounded, which I really appreciate. 0:10:03.559 --> 0:10:05.559 You're a big part of that because you were very 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:10.040 much as a director like listen, the more like subtle 0:10:10.120 --> 0:10:14.199 we stay, the better it'll be. But if people are 0:10:14.200 --> 0:10:19.040 going into hysterics over these eels il Lamprey type things 0:10:19.800 --> 0:10:23.400 like coming out from toilets and like showers. 0:10:22.840 --> 0:10:24.840 And which we also didn't even know like how many 0:10:24.880 --> 0:10:27.240 were going to come out, Like it's like we're reacting like, oh, 0:10:27.320 --> 0:10:28.920 it could be like fifty, it could be like one 0:10:28.920 --> 0:10:30.720 of the one, right, yeah, Like we're like, you know, 0:10:30.720 --> 0:10:32.880 we didn't know what the visual effects budget for that 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:33.320 was going. 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:37.320 To like it was, so you kept it very You 0:10:37.440 --> 0:10:39.880 kept it grounded. You know, as a director, you kept 0:10:39.960 --> 0:10:41.760 pretty much everyone very grounded. 0:10:42.000 --> 0:10:44.319 Well, I think, you know, but that was that was 0:10:44.400 --> 0:10:47.040 That was awesome. And the first time, you know, we meet, 0:10:47.480 --> 0:10:49.520 you know, at the very end of our meeting, which 0:10:49.600 --> 0:10:52.560 I know you told me that I couldn't tell this story, 0:10:52.600 --> 0:10:55.360 but I have to because it is the it is 0:10:55.520 --> 0:11:00.400 the best you story ever. But yeah, no, the very 0:11:00.480 --> 0:11:02.440 end of the meeting, after we had this lovely meeting 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:04.080 of talking, you know, you give me a hug, and 0:11:04.120 --> 0:11:06.240 you go to walk down that giant staircase and you 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:10.840 trip and fall down the entire staircase. And I'm standing 0:11:10.840 --> 0:11:12.520 at the top of the staircase and I'm like, oh 0:11:12.559 --> 0:11:14.439 my god, did she just die? 0:11:14.760 --> 0:11:20.040 It's like forty stairs, like forty stairs, and You're. 0:11:19.920 --> 0:11:22.320 Laying at the bottom of the staircase and I'm like, 0:11:22.360 --> 0:11:25.040 oh my god, I just killed Shannon, Like did I 0:11:25.120 --> 0:11:27.560 hug her wrong? Like what just happened here? And you 0:11:27.679 --> 0:11:29.559 just like look up like this and go I meant 0:11:29.600 --> 0:11:32.360 to do that and like scurry off, and I was like, Okay, 0:11:32.400 --> 0:11:34.800 I'll see you mon day. And I was like, oh 0:11:34.800 --> 0:11:35.520 my god. 0:11:36.600 --> 0:11:38.679 I was so embarrassed and humiliated. 0:11:38.760 --> 0:11:41.920 All I could think was like, I I like, how 0:11:41.920 --> 0:11:44.240 do I literally crawl to the car you get home? 0:11:44.280 --> 0:11:46.719 When you got up though, and did that, and You're like, 0:11:46.760 --> 0:11:49.200 I meant to do that. Like in my mind, I 0:11:49.320 --> 0:11:51.679 was thinking like maybe she did, because like there was 0:11:51.720 --> 0:11:54.000 that whole conversation during dinner where you were like, you know, 0:11:54.240 --> 0:11:55.920 my stunts in this are and that bit like that 0:11:56.120 --> 0:11:59.240 I probably do, like I could do my own, Saul, yeah, 0:11:59.280 --> 0:12:01.280 And so I was like, maybe. 0:12:01.440 --> 0:12:05.360 Maybe I was she auditioning I could do the stunts. 0:12:05.360 --> 0:12:07.400 I was like, I don't know what's going on. I 0:12:07.520 --> 0:12:09.800 was like, you know, for sure, it was only until 0:12:09.840 --> 0:12:11.839 like you know, day three of filming you were like, yeah, no, 0:12:11.960 --> 0:12:13.200 I totally did not mean to. 0:12:13.080 --> 0:12:17.840 Do that, Like when I had bruises my body and 0:12:17.880 --> 0:12:19.839 I'm like, oh, that's that hurts. 0:12:19.600 --> 0:12:20.160 A little bit. 0:12:21.400 --> 0:12:22.959 But it was fun. It was fun. 0:12:23.240 --> 0:12:23.880 It was fun. 0:12:24.520 --> 0:12:26.440 So one of the things that I love about you, 0:12:26.520 --> 0:12:29.800 it was, you know, kind of reminiscent of like Quentin 0:12:29.840 --> 0:12:33.480 Tarantino that he and and a lot of directors honestly, 0:12:33.559 --> 0:12:37.959 I mean Martin Scorsese Wright works with like Leo Leonardo DiCaprio, 0:12:39.280 --> 0:12:42.559 all the time, and there are directors that, you know, 0:12:42.760 --> 0:12:45.000 hire the same people over and over and over and 0:12:45.040 --> 0:12:48.920 over again. And I love that that about you a 0:12:49.080 --> 0:12:53.240 because thanks, thanks, you give me jobs, and I really 0:12:53.320 --> 0:12:53.760 like that. 0:12:53.960 --> 0:12:56.800 You give me amazing performances. But one thing I love 0:12:56.840 --> 0:12:59.840 about working with the same people, especially working with with you, 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:03.880 is every time you work with somebody, it's like you're 0:13:03.960 --> 0:13:08.280 learning their language. Every person in entertainment, in a creative 0:13:08.360 --> 0:13:10.920 art speaks a different language. And so when you learn 0:13:10.960 --> 0:13:13.400 that person's language and you know how to communicate with 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:16.439 them and you become like that, you become family and 0:13:16.520 --> 0:13:19.040 you work together and you do this. Why learn that 0:13:19.080 --> 0:13:19.920 with somebody else? 0:13:20.480 --> 0:13:20.640 Right? 0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:23.360 Have that there and you built upon that? Why not 0:13:23.480 --> 0:13:24.720 continue to build upon that? 0:13:24.920 --> 0:13:27.640 Well, Yeah, because there's like a trust you know, it's 0:13:27.720 --> 0:13:29.760 so built that now you can tell me to do 0:13:29.800 --> 0:13:33.440 something you know, completely outside of the box and like silly, 0:13:33.520 --> 0:13:36.200 and I trust you with like what you're telling me 0:13:36.240 --> 0:13:38.360 to do, and I'm like, Okay, this will probably work. 0:13:38.400 --> 0:13:40.439 And I think that trust went both ways in when 0:13:40.480 --> 0:13:44.160 we did Bethany, because I remember right before the first 0:13:44.240 --> 0:13:47.040 day of filming on Bethany, you had like gotten the 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:49.840 cancer diagnosis, like or like that week. 0:13:49.640 --> 0:13:50.960 And you had called me and I was. 0:13:52.480 --> 0:13:54.160 Yeah, and you were like, I'm not sure if I 0:13:54.160 --> 0:13:54.800 can do this. 0:13:55.160 --> 0:13:56.800 Yeah, And I was worried, and I. 0:13:56.720 --> 0:13:58.880 Told you, like, look like if if you can't do it, 0:13:58.920 --> 0:14:02.760 like we'll figure it out and we'll I'll get somebody else. 0:14:02.800 --> 0:14:04.679 But I think you're going to want to take your 0:14:04.679 --> 0:14:07.400 mind off of it and do it. And if you do, 0:14:07.559 --> 0:14:09.640 like i'll send you the call sheet. You'll be there, 0:14:09.679 --> 0:14:11.760 and if you don't show up, I'll know that you 0:14:11.760 --> 0:14:13.880 can't do it and I'll get a replacement. Don't worry 0:14:13.880 --> 0:14:16.480 about us. And you showed up and you did it. 0:14:16.600 --> 0:14:19.480 And I remember there was the one time, because I 0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:21.520 guess the meds were messing with you a little. You 0:14:21.560 --> 0:14:23.840 had that one speech that you had to give that 0:14:24.000 --> 0:14:27.600 was all about you know, when you were looking at 0:14:27.640 --> 0:14:29.920 your face in the mirror and it's about beauty, and. 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:34.160 I mean it was a weird speech, yeah, and the 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:36.320 way that it was written, it didn't like come out. 0:14:36.480 --> 0:14:40.320 And then I think I was obviously it was literally 0:14:40.400 --> 0:14:44.680 a week or two weeks after getting diagnosed, just starting meds. 0:14:44.840 --> 0:14:50.560 My brain was like on overdrive thinking about cancer and 0:14:50.640 --> 0:14:53.520 like what does this mean? And you know what, what 0:14:53.600 --> 0:14:55.120 are like the next steps? And then all of a 0:14:55.160 --> 0:14:58.840 sudden you get this, you know, monologue that really makes 0:14:58.880 --> 0:14:59.640 no sense to you. 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:02.960 Yeah, it's a super intense monologue and it was long, 0:15:03.120 --> 0:15:04.840 and you know you're supposed to be looking at your 0:15:04.840 --> 0:15:05.920 face and touching. 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:13.400 It and photographic memory. 0:15:10.800 --> 0:15:13.560 So like the meds were messing with you in that moment, 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:15.840 and I remember, you know, you were like, I'm not 0:15:15.880 --> 0:15:18.200 gonna I can't, I can't get this down. We talked 0:15:18.200 --> 0:15:20.160 about like what the meaning of the monologue was, and 0:15:20.200 --> 0:15:22.480 it was like, you know about like lost you know, 0:15:22.640 --> 0:15:25.600 youth and and and how you no longer saw that 0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:27.960 beauty in yourself and that's why you were projecting it 0:15:27.960 --> 0:15:30.880 onto your child and you know the depth of that. 0:15:30.960 --> 0:15:33.840 And then we talked about you know that story from 0:15:34.160 --> 0:15:37.440 uh when Francis Ford Coppola was doing The Godfather too 0:15:37.920 --> 0:15:40.840 and de Niro was looking at like the baby and 0:15:40.880 --> 0:15:42.880 he had this whole monologue he's supposed to be saying 0:15:42.920 --> 0:15:44.720 to his son, and he says, I'm just gonna do 0:15:44.760 --> 0:15:47.080 it with a look. I'm not gonna say anything. I'm 0:15:47.080 --> 0:15:49.040 not gonna say this monologue. I'm just gonna look at 0:15:49.040 --> 0:15:50.640 the baby. And all my hopes and dreams that I 0:15:50.640 --> 0:15:52.320 want for this baby is going to be in the look. 0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:55.400 And a couple of trusted him, and he did it, 0:15:55.440 --> 0:15:56.840 and then sure enough he did it with the look. 0:15:57.000 --> 0:15:57.200 Yeah. 0:15:57.320 --> 0:15:59.600 And so we talked about that and and you were like, 0:15:59.640 --> 0:16:01.640 I'm gonna do it with a look. And you did 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:03.440 it with the look. You look in the mirror and 0:16:03.440 --> 0:16:05.840 you started crying and you didn't have to say anything. 0:16:05.880 --> 0:16:07.800 It was all it was all on your face right there. 0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:10.840 And I think that really showed trust on both of 0:16:10.880 --> 0:16:13.360 our sides. I agree to be able to have that moment. 0:16:13.400 --> 0:16:15.760 I thought that was like where we really We had 0:16:15.800 --> 0:16:18.160 done many projects before together, but I felt like that's 0:16:18.160 --> 0:16:20.840 where we really like click clicked, if that makes sense. 0:16:21.240 --> 0:16:22.280 Yeah, it totally makes sense. 0:16:22.360 --> 0:16:24.800 And I think it's actually one of like if I 0:16:25.000 --> 0:16:29.320 just take that scene and put it on, you know, 0:16:29.720 --> 0:16:31.720 I don't have a website, but if I did, you know, 0:16:32.120 --> 0:16:34.960 I put it there as like a moment that I'm 0:16:34.960 --> 0:16:37.360 really proud of as an actor. I would put that 0:16:37.440 --> 0:16:40.040 on because I felt like it was I think it's 0:16:40.160 --> 0:16:43.320 much harder to convey as an actor everything only through 0:16:43.360 --> 0:16:47.360 a look. The words help you convey it because it's obvious. 0:16:47.160 --> 0:16:50.160 It's very obvious the audience like, oh, here's what I'm 0:16:50.160 --> 0:16:52.240 trying to say. Because I'm using my words, I'm also 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:54.760 using my face, but there's words to help back it up. 0:16:55.200 --> 0:16:57.720 And this was when you when you can only rely 0:16:58.440 --> 0:17:01.400 on conveying with your eyes and like your emotion, I 0:17:01.400 --> 0:17:02.320 think it's much more well. 0:17:02.360 --> 0:17:06.120 There was such authentic, raw vulnerability you at that point 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:08.520 in your life as well as in that moment, and 0:17:08.600 --> 0:17:12.480 I think it really shows on screen there and capturing that. 0:17:12.560 --> 0:17:14.800 It was I would say, one of my proudest moments 0:17:14.840 --> 0:17:15.560 as a directors. 0:17:15.680 --> 0:17:17.679 And you only made me do it like twenty thousand 0:17:17.680 --> 0:17:23.440 times thirty I remember how Yeah, I know. 0:17:24.040 --> 0:17:26.920 I mean we've done a lot. So we did blood leg. 0:17:27.080 --> 0:17:28.359 Borgre's music video. 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:33.520 Yeah, we did Bethany, we did we did the Double movie, 0:17:33.680 --> 0:17:34.560 We did the pilot. 0:17:34.920 --> 0:17:37.880 We did a pilot together. I forgot that. 0:17:38.000 --> 0:17:40.280 Yeah, we did a pilot together which turned out pretty good. 0:17:40.320 --> 0:17:41.280 What was that called again? 0:17:41.600 --> 0:17:42.160 I forget? 0:17:42.560 --> 0:17:43.280 I forget too. 0:17:43.400 --> 0:17:45.920 It was about rock and roll. Yes, we did that. Yes, 0:17:46.680 --> 0:17:49.600 and then we did the Bruce Willis movie, the Mel 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:52.840 Gibson movie, the Fandamn movie. 0:17:52.640 --> 0:17:56.639 The Bruce Willis movie, it's called the Fortress. That also 0:17:56.760 --> 0:17:59.879 was a really kind of fascinating experience for me, And 0:18:00.720 --> 0:18:03.760 I just remember this scene with him that was written 0:18:04.880 --> 0:18:05.400 one way. 0:18:05.480 --> 0:18:06.520