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Speaker 1: This is Let's Be Clear with Shannon Doorny. Hey, I'm

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Speaker 1: Shannon Dohorty. Welcome to another episode of Let's Be Clear. Today,

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Speaker 1: I am joined by a very good friend, producer, screenwriter,

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Speaker 1: and film director, oh James Scoland pres.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I had to, Okay, I'm.

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Speaker 3: Just I'm also laughing because I'm like, you know, you're

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Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm Shannon's friend. I guess I do all

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Speaker 3: these other things.

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Speaker 2: But I'm like, you know, I know, but you do

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Speaker 2: do all those No, but it.

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Speaker 3: Was, it was it was weird hearing you say it. It

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Speaker 3: was I know, because yeah, I mean we did. We

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Speaker 3: did blood leg when I was twenty one years old

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Speaker 3: and I turned thirty two. Wow, I turned thirty. So

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Speaker 3: we're talking eleven years.

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Speaker 2: I can't believe we put up with each other for

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Speaker 2: eleven years.

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Speaker 3: I know we've only had like one significant fight. What

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Speaker 3: was the fight you left me in the middle of

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Speaker 3: the desert.

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Speaker 2: You deserved it. I did it, and it was a joke.

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Speaker 3: It was, but it totally like what a little further

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Speaker 3: than funny, well for you, total for me.

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Speaker 2: I kept myself laughing totally.

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Speaker 3: I know you were totally laughing It's basically. What I

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Speaker 3: remember is like I was, I was driving you home

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Speaker 3: from set. Right we were in Arizona, uh huh, and

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Speaker 3: you were we were driving down this like road in

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Speaker 3: the middle of the desert.

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Speaker 2: Back way up. It was for a movie for a movie.

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Speaker 3: Yes, a movie that I was producing, that you were

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Speaker 3: acting in.

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Speaker 2: And what was it called.

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Speaker 3: I don't even remember.

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Speaker 2: Something about the devil, something about the devil, And I

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Speaker 2: played the devil.

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Speaker 3: You played the devil.

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Speaker 1: And some people right now are like, whoa, that's sitting

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Speaker 1: and I'm like to those people, I'm like, turn it off.

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Speaker 3: We we have this like playful dynamic the whole time

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Speaker 3: because we were friends and stuff, and you know, we

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Speaker 3: were joking around a lot. We were playing you know,

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Speaker 3: we we we wrote the script together to have some

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Speaker 3: add some comedy to your role and stuff. And I

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Speaker 3: remember we're driving back. I'm driving you like we're in

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Speaker 3: the middle of like no, there's no like lamp posts,

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Speaker 3: there's no like lights or anything. It's like the desert. No,

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Speaker 3: it's like flatland.

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Speaker 2: Desk where you go to bury somebody.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, You're just like I'm tired of you driving.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to drive and I was like okay, and

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Speaker 3: so like you hop out of the car, I go

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Speaker 3: to like walk and you just like bolt, like you

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Speaker 3: run like as fast as you can, like like fire

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Speaker 3: and just take off and like I'm like very funny.

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Speaker 3: And then you just kept driving away because.

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Speaker 1: It wouldn't have been funny if like my tail lights

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Speaker 1: tail lights were completely out of you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but like it went completely pitch black, and I'm

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Speaker 3: standing there for like a solid minute going like, well,

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Speaker 3: the phone, like look at the phone like three percent.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, oh no, like oh this is where I die,

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Speaker 3: Like all right, I know, I know. Yeah. Three hours

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Speaker 2: I learned it was not three hours. It was like

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Speaker 3: It was like five minutes. Yeah, it's like three hours.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. Next thing, you know, you'll be saying that

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Speaker 1: there was like coyotes howling. It was, and then all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden you were like circled by actually back

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Speaker 1: of like wolves.

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Speaker 3: I was accepted into a wolf pack and that was

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Speaker 3: how I survived.

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Speaker 2: That makes sense.

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Speaker 1: It was, Yeah, your screenwriting skills are coming into play

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Speaker 1: right now because you're literally rewriting history as we speak,

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Speaker 3: But it was funny. It just went a little.

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Speaker 1: Further than But I think that that whole experience had

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Speaker 1: to go a little bit further than.

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Speaker 3: Sure.

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Speaker 2: You know, we were there in Arizona together.

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Speaker 1: You were the producer, and I basically said, yes, I'll

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Speaker 1: do this, but only if James is also my assistance.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I worked as your assistant the entire time,

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Speaker 3: which pretty much just like involved driving you to it

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Speaker 3: taco shop. Yeah, and like I woke you up while

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Speaker 3: we're in like the drive through of the taco shop.

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Speaker 3: But it's like we were like driving back and you

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Speaker 3: got so excited, You got so excited, and then fell

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Speaker 3: asleep before we actually got the order out of the window.

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Speaker 1: I know, but then you would always wake me up

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Speaker 1: and I would I would polish off this. But we were,

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Speaker 1: you know, driving home at what time?

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Speaker 3: Well, because we were shooting like nine for nights overnight,

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Speaker 3: like five always like ungodly, like Vampire Hour of like

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Speaker 3: making movies what you do when it's like a horror thing.

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Speaker 1: It's I think that was a very fun project for

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Speaker 1: the two of us because we had a lot of leeway.

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Speaker 1: you know, trusted both of us.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, Perry Perry passed away, yeah last gar.

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Speaker 2: So we were able to rewrite and then write stuff.

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Speaker 2: And so we would sit in the trailer and just

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Speaker 3: It was like our own writer's room. And then we

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Speaker 3: like started to like crack ourselves up. But we were

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Speaker 3: like are we laughing because it's funny? Are we laughing?

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Speaker 3: Because like and it's like four in the morning, and

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Speaker 3: like I remember, you'd be like, come up with something funnier.

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Speaker 3: James was like, I got nothing.

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Speaker 2: And then we would go to the set and tell them.

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Speaker 1: We'd be like, just keep the camera rolling, yeah, don't

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Speaker 1: just keep the camera rolling, and she's just gonna say

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Speaker 2: You would think of something else and you'd be like,

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Speaker 3: I'd be like, I also wondering, like if it was

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Speaker 2: As I don't know because I still haven't seen wait like.

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Speaker 3: A hundred years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, as Anna's dad had a million times for it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and this on the podcast, we're asking him now

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Speaker 2: Do not send me this movie, but we want every.

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Speaker 3: Take that I'm in.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna call you out hardcore because the listeners

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Speaker 3: They need to see it. They need to see you

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Speaker 3: dress the devil.

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Speaker 1: Yes. I actually loved playing like because there was just

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Speaker 1: a lot of freedom. It was just silly and free

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Speaker 1: and awesome. But we met, as you said, yeah, how

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Speaker 1: many years ago?

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Speaker 3: That was eleven, but a week before we started filming Blood.

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Speaker 1: Leg Right, So I got offered this movie Blood leg

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Speaker 1: which was not the best script in the world.

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Speaker 3: It was about killer eel lamprey things. One of them

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Speaker 3: goes up Christopher Lloyd's but it was pretty sure.

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Speaker 1: It was not great, but it was a good paycheck

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Speaker 1: and I was like, I'm going to do this. And

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Speaker 1: also I love working with like young up and coming directors.

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Speaker 3: Now did you always? Did you always?

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I mean Christopher landon Burning Palms, like yeah, absolutely.

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Speaker 2: So we met.

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Speaker 3: At Christy with long staircase. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So it was it was part of this like motel

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Speaker 1: It had all these I mean I don't even know

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Speaker 3: Like it was. It was like a real staircase.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it was a giant Yes. So we went there, yeah,

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Speaker 2: and had dinner to meet.

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Speaker 3: We had dinner to meet, and like I was nervous because, like,

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Speaker 2: Like well like she actually has a resume.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's my first SAG movie, you know, Like it

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Speaker 3: So I was like, Okay, this is like what I'm

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Speaker 3: like you know me and you both like sat there

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Speaker 3: I mean, granted, we do better scripts now, but every

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Speaker 3: time you know me and you always have the conversation of, well,

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Speaker 3: how do we make it better? And that's part of

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Speaker 3: why I love working with you so much is you know,

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Speaker 3: And I feel like vice versa exactly. And I think,

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Speaker 3: I love that dynamic.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's never critical, like we're never critical of

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Speaker 2: It's always just like we.

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Speaker 3: Were a little critical of eels going up people's but

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Speaker 3: that was the deal.

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Speaker 2: We are critical of, not of each other.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but there's you know, that idea that people have

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Speaker 1: and when you meet a like minded person of like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I have this script in front of me, but can

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Speaker 1: it be better?

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Speaker 2: Can we make something that's super silly and ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: Actually and find like the heart of it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, find the heart of it.

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Speaker 3: And I think, like, you know, I'm still proud of

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Speaker 3: your performance in that. I think you give like a

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Speaker 3: very believable performance in a ridiculous movie. Thank you, And

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Speaker 3: you kept it grounded, which I really appreciate.

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Speaker 1: You're a big part of that because you were very

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Speaker 1: much as a director like listen, the more like subtle

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Speaker 3: and say Okay, I can do this, this and this,

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00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:11,119
Speaker 3: and I can bind these to do this. Like That's

444
00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:13,879
Speaker 3: that's the way I look at it. It's a collaborative medium.

445
00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:16,919
Speaker 3: It's a living, breathing thing. It never it evolves as

446
00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:20,200
Speaker 3: we make it together. If not, I would be doing

447
00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:23,640
Speaker 3: every job and playing every role, right, you know. So

448
00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:25,840
Speaker 3: it's it's I think it's you know, and obviously I'm

449
00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:29,080
Speaker 3: not an actor show, but I think, you know, finding

450
00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:32,879
Speaker 3: those moments together is what's what's magical. I mean, you know,

451
00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:36,560
Speaker 3: sometimes it's not even just like the end product of

452
00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:40,040
Speaker 3: the movie, but the experience of making it and feeling

453
00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:44,719
Speaker 3: those moments together. And don't get me wrong, I'm always focused,

454
00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:47,919
Speaker 3: as you know, on making the best movie possible, but

455
00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:51,439
Speaker 3: that doesn't mean it has to be exactly this or nothing,

456
00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:54,200
Speaker 3: you know. And I think we've got a great balance

457
00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:57,520
Speaker 3: of finding that stuff together. And I think the trust

458
00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:00,159
Speaker 3: that we have in doing that has enabled us to like,

459
00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:02,879
Speaker 3: you know, try different things. I don't know if I

460
00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:06,359
Speaker 3: would have been as open to you know, somebody else

461
00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:08,080
Speaker 3: doing that in that moment, I would have been like,

462
00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:12,320
Speaker 3: what is this person? But I'm like, Okay, Shannon, who

463
00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:14,159
Speaker 3: I've got a bunch of stuff with and Bruce, so

464
00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:18,280
Speaker 3: let's see where this goes, you know, yeah, and it

465
00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:19,560
Speaker 3: just it just really worked.

466
00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:29,720
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, for me as an actor, I can

467
00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:32,119
Speaker 1: tell you that I've had a couple of really like

468
00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:35,080
Speaker 1: raw moments, you know, I mean, you hope that all

469
00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:37,760
Speaker 1: of them come across as like raw honest moments, but

470
00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:41,760
Speaker 1: personally very raw, honest moments that are captured on screen.

471
00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:43,800
Speaker 1: And that was one of them. The other one was

472
00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,600
Speaker 1: in Bethany. There was one in like the second season

473
00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:50,840
Speaker 1: of Charmed where you know, I cry because Andy is

474
00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,480
Speaker 1: dead and I'm sort of blaming myself and that was

475
00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:54,639
Speaker 1: haven't even seen it.

476
00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:58,439
Speaker 2: Oh I'm sorry. That was like a very raw moment.

477
00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,240
Speaker 1: So those are the moments that I always look back

478
00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,640
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh man, that's when I was my best.

479
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:05,720
Speaker 1: Is when I'm like the most raw and sort of

480
00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:09,560
Speaker 1: broken down because there's no there's no wall, there's no pretense,

481
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:11,840
Speaker 1: you're not self conscious, you're not any of those things.

482
00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,960
Speaker 1: You're just like in the moment. And it's something that

483
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,320
Speaker 1: I strive for as an actor. So we did the

484
00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:20,800
Speaker 1: Bruce Willis thing, and then we did the Mel Gibson movie.

485
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I love your dynamic with mel. Also, I

486
00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,359
Speaker 3: thought like it was really interesting seeing you guys play

487
00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:29,119
Speaker 3: off of each other and find you guys found moments

488
00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:31,520
Speaker 3: together too, which it was just fascinating for me because

489
00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,440
Speaker 3: I'm like, wow, this is like insane to watch and

490
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,679
Speaker 3: be a part of and to be able to shepherd that.

491
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:40,520
Speaker 3: So it was it was really special. And I remember

492
00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:42,560
Speaker 3: I called you and I was like, I want you

493
00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:44,360
Speaker 3: to play this role. And I thought it was very

494
00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:46,320
Speaker 3: funny because I'm always trying to have you play just

495
00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:50,359
Speaker 3: some random thing you're a general about. You're a police

496
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 3: chief this, You're like, you cast me of the things

497
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,000
Speaker 3: nobody else thinks me ever.

498
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,280
Speaker 1: Ever, they would like put me as the wife and

499
00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,560
Speaker 1: you're like, no, no, no, no, the police chief.

500
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,040
Speaker 3: I'm like yeah, because I'm like your boss dog, Dilugherty.

501
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know boss dog.

502
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's you know, Shannon's a boss dog. She's

503
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 3: a play played Monopoly or heads up with her one

504
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:10,720
Speaker 3: time we get into that.

505
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,880
Speaker 1: I know we want uh no, but like you do

506
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,640
Speaker 1: you put me in in roles that nobody else would

507
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 1: normally put me in, including myself, and it turns out interesting,

508
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:23,040
Speaker 1: you know, on that one.

509
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,240
Speaker 2: I was uncomfortable playing a police chief.

510
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why you were doing the nicotine gum, and we.

511
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 1: We talked about that, so then we created that. I

512
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:31,959
Speaker 1: was like, I need I need something to do. I

513
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,679
Speaker 1: need like something in my hands, something in my mouth, like,

514
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:39,320
Speaker 1: I need something just distract my own head from telling

515
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,600
Speaker 1: myself why are you playing?

516
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 3: So were you more nervous about playing a police chief

517
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,399
Speaker 3: or were you more nervous about being against like melk

518
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:48,879
Speaker 3: is because you weren't nervous about being.

519
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:50,199
Speaker 2: A general generally.

520
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 1: I was. I just didn't I hadn't quite learned how

521
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 1: to transfer that nervousness into having an action like you know,

522
00:23:58,640 --> 00:23:59,680
Speaker 1: eating on screen.

523
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 3: Would you talk about the whole thing with Brad Pitt.

524
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, Like yeah, So I said to you, like

525
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 1: I need something to do. How about if she's a

526
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 1: former smoker, like I wanted to chew gum? And then

527
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,680
Speaker 1: you came up with the nicotine.

528
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,240
Speaker 3: You were like, so you have to have a reason

529
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 3: why you're chewing gum. And then I'm like, okay, maybe

530
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:19,959
Speaker 3: the stress level is like here, and then you know

531
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 3: you have that thing of like okay, well maybe you know,

532
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 3: maybe it gets too much and you want to go

533
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 3: smoke and like there's that, Like, you know, we were

534
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 3: creating the layers in the backstory of that instead of

535
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 3: just being like, yeah, she's just chewing gum, Like why

536
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 3: is she chewing gum? You know, it's stuff that people

537
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,639
Speaker 3: don't necessarily see on screen, but it's that stuff that

538
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:39,920
Speaker 3: you like embody and informs the decisions and the moments

539
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 3: and the this and the that that that you know,

540
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 3: it's a living breathing thing. It's a living breathing character.

541
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 3: And I think that kind of you know, was fun

542
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 3: to do.

543
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's very reminiscent of when I was younger.

544
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 1: I studied with this acting coach, Jeff Corey. He used

545
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 1: to be an actor. He was a big character actor

546
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,440
Speaker 1: and he was an amazing acting coach. And he lived

547
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,399
Speaker 1: here in Melo. I didn't even live in Malibu at

548
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 1: the time, but my mom would drive me and he

549
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:08,400
Speaker 1: would always have me do an entire backstory. So let's

550
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,639
Speaker 1: say you picked up on my character when she was,

551
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 1: you know, twenty six years old. Well, he would make

552
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 1: me create her from the time of birth up until

553
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,879
Speaker 1: twenty six, so that the character was super layered.

554
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 2: And I still do that to this day.

555
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 3: It's important because the story only exists as a microcosm

556
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 3: you know of who the person is. So it's like,

557
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,679
Speaker 3: you know, you have that brief moment of knowing this

558
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 3: person in a story, but they have all this life

559
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 3: before it. So I think it's important as an actor

560
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 3: and director to be on the same page of what

561
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 3: that life was, you know, because people in life make

562
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:49,239
Speaker 3: decisions based upon previous experience. Yeah, so you know, if

563
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:54,439
Speaker 3: you had, you know, a bad situation with you know,

564
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 3: I don't know, like a lover, you were going to

565
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 3: be more afraid of being in love, right if you

566
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,200
Speaker 3: if you had you know, if you made the wrong

567
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 3: mistake as a police chief and it got somebody killed,

568
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 3: you're going to be, you know, afraid of making decisions

569
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 3: that might hurt somebody. Yes, but if we don't layer

570
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 3: that and have those conversations and find that that's not

571
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 3: in the script, then you're just going not you. But

572
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 3: people are just going like, oh, well, I just do

573
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:23,679
Speaker 3: that because I do that, you know. So finding the

574
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 3: intention together is I think part of the magic of

575
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 3: making a movie with an actor.

576
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 1: I agree, but I do like that you let the

577
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:35,399
Speaker 1: actors find their way and bring their a little bit

578
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:36,679
Speaker 1: of their own sense.

579
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,199
Speaker 3: Yeah. What I like to do is, you know, I

580
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 3: like to imagine every character. It's like a blank canvas,

581
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 3: and we take our ideas about the character and we

582
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 3: throw them at the canvas and whatever like sticks for

583
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 3: both of us. We use to paint the picture of

584
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 3: who that person is, right, And I think like that's

585
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 3: kind of you know the way I look at it,

586
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 3: And the more the actor brings to the table, the

587
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,439
Speaker 3: more excited they are it. And I like to build

588
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,399
Speaker 3: off of what they're saying and find that And of

589
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,639
Speaker 3: course I'll bring my ideas too, but I like to

590
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,119
Speaker 3: hear where their thoughts are because a lot of the

591
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:13,159
Speaker 3: times our thoughts, especially about characters, subconsciously we're relating it

592
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 3: to moments within our own life, right, And so you know,

593
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 3: we look at a character, we project our own life

594
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 3: onto it and drop meaning from there. Yeah, And so

595
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 3: I think it's it's interesting to see that because then

596
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,360
Speaker 3: you can understand somebody's thought process.

597
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 1: So what was that, Like? I mean, Mel Gibson directed Braveheart. Yeah,

598
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:34,199
Speaker 1: one of my favorite movies of all time. There's not

599
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 1: a soul that can dispute what an amazing movie. That was,

600
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 1: and what a phenomenal job he did, Yes, as an actor,

601
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 1: but as a director, right.

602
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:46,880
Speaker 3: Mostly I talked to him about Apocalypto because I love that, right,

603
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 3: I mean, it's fascinated by making a movie in a

604
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:50,640
Speaker 3: dead language, and.

605
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,360
Speaker 2: That's got to be a lot of pressure.

606
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 3: It was, and it wasn't. The funniest thing is the

607
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 3: first time I meet him, he sits down and he's like,

608
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 3: all right, how do we make my character a little funnier?

609
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 3: And me and him go through the script and start

610
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 3: changing his dialogue together, and I was like, this reminds

611
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,479
Speaker 3: me of working with Shannon, and so you know, it was.

612
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 3: It was fun. You know, the fact that he'll shoot

613
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,159
Speaker 3: me text messages and ask how you're doing. Still to

614
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,399
Speaker 3: this day, you know he likes to check in about

615
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 3: you and see how you are, and you know, like

616
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 3: he doesn't have to do that. Now, you know how

617
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 3: many people have we worked with that don't do that.

618
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:33,360
Speaker 2: So Puerto Rico with Bruce Willis, New Mexico with mel and.

619
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 3: Then Los Angeles and then Los.

620
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 2: Angeles with Van dam Yeah, and you know, you work

621
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 2: with like what I.

622
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 1: Regard like movie stars, right, they're like our older guard

623
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 1: of movie stars, which I also love, and you're constantly

624
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 1: being like I want to work with this one and

625
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 1: this one, and I'm like, that's so awesome because you're

626
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:55,719
Speaker 1: not necessarily, you know, chasing like the trend.

627
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 3: I mean, for me, I grew up watching all these

628
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 3: people in movies, so like, I get really excited about

629
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 3: working with people that. Like I learned about filmmaking from

630
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 3: watching movies, So I got excited to like I watched,

631
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 3: you know, I watched Lethal Weapon, and I watched die Hard,

632
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 3: and I watched you know, Kickboxer and all these movies

633
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,719
Speaker 3: when I was a kid, and I was like, I

634
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 3: want to make movies, and I'm gonna work with those

635
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 3: people when I get older, Like when I make a movie,

636
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 3: I'm gonna work with those people, you know. And so

637
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 3: like that was like really exciting because like I'm like

638
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 3: sitting behind monitor watching a movie on the screen, and

639
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 3: I'm like, holy shit, this is my movie. I'm doing

640
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 3: the thing I said, yeah. So it's like it's you know,

641
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 3: it's like I'm a little I'm a kid in a

642
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 3: candy store. I got to work with the people that

643
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 3: like inspired me to want to make movies.

644
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 2: And you got started because your dad was in the business.

645
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 3: Well, I wouldn't say I got started because of that.

646
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 3: I think I gravitated towards it. But like my dad

647
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 3: never like hired me or maybe gave me a job,

648
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,719
Speaker 3: but I grew up passion for it because you know,

649
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 3: he like, he was a writer, and I was very

650
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 3: passionate about film. And when he got very sick when

651
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 3: I was younger, and he was like bedridden, he was

652
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 3: having liver failure at the time, and you know, before

653
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 3: that he was like my baseball coach all this stuff.

654
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 3: But all we could do was like watch movies, and

655
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 3: so we would watch movies and he would like pause

656
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 3: the movie and ask me questions about it, and he'd

657
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 3: like throw on stuff like you know, the multice falcon

658
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 3: and then like you know, he'd you know, be like,

659
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 3: why is Humphrey Bogart's handshaking? You know, he paused the

660
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 3: movie and asked me. And I'm like, at the time,

661
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 3: I thought he was just you know, trying to make

662
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 3: sure I was paying attention. I was like a little kid.

663
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 3: But then I started to realize, no, he was trying

664
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 3: to get me to analyze why an actor's doing a

665
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 3: certain thing, why camera's moving a certain way, what's actually

666
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 3: going on beyond what like the surface level of the movie.

667
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 3: And I think that was really, you know, special, So

668
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 3: you know, I guess that was my film school. But

669
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 3: I also was the kid that would like make short

670
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 3: films about why I didn't want to do the book

671
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 3: report instead of doing it, of course, because I was like, nah,

672
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 3: I don't need that, you know. I remember my mom

673
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 3: was telling me a story where she was like, you know,

674
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 3: I was failing out of chemistry, and she was like,

675
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 3: you know, you're gonna fail out of chemistry, and I

676
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:13,959
Speaker 3: was like, Mom, don't worry about it. I'm not going

677
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 3: to need chemistry when I'm making movies.

678
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 2: You were that confident.

679
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 3: I was high, Oh yeah, exactly, I'm failing upwards.

680
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 1: But you know, you were that guy that's, you know,

681
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: truly a workaholic like you. I think you're the happiest

682
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: when you're prepping and then on a movie set.

683
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 3: It's where I feel like the most me if that

684
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 3: makes sense. But I mean I feel like you feel

685
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 3: the most of you when you're working, too.

686
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 2: I definitely do.

687
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 3: You definitely are not the type that can sit like idle.

688
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 3: I mean, look, you're doing a podcast, like I'm doing something, yeah,

689
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 3: Like you're always doing something, you know.

690
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think sitting idle just gives me

691
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: too much time to examine and examine and examine, and

692
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 1: then there's nothing it is going to come out of that.

693
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 2: Well, at the end of the.

694
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 3: Day, we've all trained, we both trained our minds to

695
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 3: be analytical, and so if we spend too much time

696
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 3: with nothing to analyze, we're going to analyze ourselves. So

697
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 3: it's like, not do that.

698
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: We have to analyze myself to a certain degree. Like

699
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 1: I'm pretty I'm pretty hard on myself, so I have

700
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 1: too much time to really really really do it, and

701
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 1: I feel like fetle position, you're.

702
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 3: Too hard on yourself sometimes. That's why I've always I've

703
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 3: always said that, you know, if you're going to be

704
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 3: your your toughest critic, you also got to be your

705
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 3: biggest cheerleader. You know, you got to like you're amazing,

706
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 3: You've done so many amazing things, and you know, every

707
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 3: time me and you talk, you know, I just want

708
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 3: to remind you of that. Like we touched on it

709
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 3: briefly in the beginning, but like we have this amazing

710
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 3: relationship of working together and the first time I was

711
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 3: going to work with you, I was warned about you

712
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 3: being difficult, and right, you weren't, you.

713
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: Know, Yeah, I mean I think that's still there, right,

714
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,479
Speaker 1: So maybe that's probably why I'm so hard on myself.

715
00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 1: And I definitely have not gotten the cheerleading part down,

716
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 1: Like being my own cheerleader has been a tough one

717
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: for me that I have not mastered. And yeah, you know,

718
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: you hear a story and I hear this from a

719
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: lot of people, or I used to hear it from

720
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: a lot of people of Oh, I was warned about you,

721
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 1: and I was told that you're difficult or you're this,

722
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: And it's so hard for me to realize that there's

723
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:29,479
Speaker 1: a whole like narrative and agenda that's out there about

724
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: me that has almost nothing to do with me.

725
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 3: It's not you at all. And I mean that must

726
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 3: be hard to deal with.

727
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 1: As you know, I'm pretty sensitive and I tend to

728
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 1: take a lot of things personal. And it hurts me

729
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: when it hurts me knowing that someone said to you

730
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: that I'm difficult.

731
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 2: It hurts me that there's, you.

732
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 1: Know, something out there about me that is not true

733
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: or isn't one hundred percent of the truth or there's

734
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 1: you know, two sides to every story. There's this, there's that,

735
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: you know. I dealt with it this morning, like I

736
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,479
Speaker 1: was in a super bad mood today, as you know,

737
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 1: I remember when I got yeah, because they're you know

738
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 1: people who they they want the answers from me on

739
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,800
Speaker 1: this podcast. They want me to be clear about things,

740
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 1: but then they don't actually want the truth. They that

741
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 1: didn't fit into like their idea of what the truth

742
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 1: should be. I'm getting better, like the older I get,

743
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 1: and I think also cancer has really changed my perspective

744
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:29,280
Speaker 1: because now I'm I'm a lot more like, oh my god,

745
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 1: like life is way too short and I can't worry

746
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:37,840
Speaker 1: about like the random ten people that that are pissed

747
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 1: that I'm saying something I've got to worry about, like

748
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 1: am I being honest to me?

749
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 2: But when you.

750
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 1: Got told like oh, you know, just warning you, like

751
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 1: she's really difficult.

752
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 3: Then I pushed you down the stairs and then you push.

753
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 1: You just to show me it was boss, but you

754
00:34:58,360 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 1: still went forward with working with me.

755
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 3: I mean I was twenty yeah, so I was you know,

756
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 3: I was like, hey, I'll risk it, but you know,

757
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 3: roll of the dice but you know, I mean it

758
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 3: must be it must be difficult living in that shadow,

759
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 3: especially because like regardless of you know, whether it's true

760
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 3: or not, any of these events happened so long, like

761
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 3: a lifetime ago at this point, so like it's it's

762
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 3: really I think sad to deal with, you know, because

763
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 3: you're such a kind, creative, loving person, and you're a

764
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 3: creative powerhouse and and really like you know, able to

765
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 3: tap into raw emotion and really you give it. You're

766
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 3: all and so the fact that anybody would would question

767
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 3: whether they should work with you over something that happened

768
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 3: so long ago, is is is foolish, It's crazy. I mean,

769
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 3: you know, I have my own opinions. I don't think

770
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 3: you did any of those things. But but regardless, it's

771
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 3: it's even even if it did, it's so long ago

772
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 3: that it's ridiculous.

773
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, listen, there's definitely some that I did,

774
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 1: Like absolutely, I take full accountability for anything that I did.

775
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 1: But you're right, like, I'm sorry, how can a woman

776
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 1: be persecuted for something she did when she was twenty

777
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: years old, you know, like and that it definitely followed

778
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 1: me or when I was eighteen, It followed me my

779
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:27,919
Speaker 1: you know, my entire career, and it, by.

780
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 2: The way, it still follows me to this day, you.

781
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 3: Know, working together and stuff like we've been working together

782
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 3: during your cancer and so many people you've had to

783
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 3: voice that you are still happy to work and able

784
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 3: to work. Yeah, because people right off, you know, oh,

785
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 3: she has cancer, she's this, she can't you know, she

786
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,720
Speaker 3: can't do it, And I mean you can, if anything,

787
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 3: you're more in touch with your emotions, you know. I

788
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 3: think it's it's it's very it's a weird experience to

789
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 3: have people reach out to me, you know, when we're

790
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 3: so close and have and I feel like almost publicly

791
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:09,439
Speaker 3: so close, you know, and have people ask me yeah.

792
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:15,959
Speaker 3: But but regardless, I think the funniest, the funniest Yeah,

793
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 3: there you go. It's it's it's Robin the cradle. But

794
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 3: I think the thing that's difficult to deal with is

795
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 3: is having people reach out and say, like, you know,

796
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 3: is she either is she able to work? I'll get

797
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 3: those questions or like stuff like you know, like what

798
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 3: she liked to deal with and like if I'm getting

799
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 3: those questions like what what are you dealing with? And

800
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 3: or are you not even getting those questions because like

801
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 3: they don't even have the guts to talk to you exactly,

802
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,760
Speaker 3: So you're not even there to defend yourself in these rooms,

803
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 3: which is I think, you know, an unfair thing, because

804
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 3: you know, you're able to work and you're easy to

805
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 3: work with.

806
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: It was also like a different day and age right

807
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: when I had when I I got that reputation, when

808
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 1: I first supposedly earned it, like earned in quotation marks,

809
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 1: it was a different day and age, like women weren't

810
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: allowed to speak out.

811
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like you've been a casualty of that

812
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 3: because look at how has nobody supported you as as

813
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 3: all of these women's rights things have been pushed now,

814
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:23,280
Speaker 3: you know, like so much further. You were an opinionated,

815
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:27,839
Speaker 3: you know, woman who who was working very hard, who

816
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 3: was gaining fame, and like, you know, I understand how

817
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 3: somebody could be threatened, you know, in that regard, like

818
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 3: somebody who's insecure if you came to them and were like, hey,

819
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 3: what do you think I try this or this with

820
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 3: the character, they might be like super threatened by that,

821
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 3: you know. Like, so I understand, but it's part of

822
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 3: the collaborative process. That's that's all their problem, not your problem,

823
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. And I think that's I

824
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 3: think it's unfair that that has not been reversed, you know,

825
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 3: and people aren't going like, wow, we need to actually

826
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 3: cut Shan in somet and think about that. I think

827
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 3: it's it's a really unfair situation.

828
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 2: Thanks, I'm over it. I'm sorry over it.

829
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just like you know, I've I've been

830
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: I've been chasing that for so long that like reputation

831
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 1: and trying to prove myself that eventually I think you

832
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 1: just go why, Like what am I doing and what

833
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 1: is it all for.

834
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 3: A healthy response? Though, like you shouldn't have to prove yourself.

835
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:31,760
Speaker 1: Listen, that might not all be true if it weren't,

836
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:35,439
Speaker 1: you know, like I get to still be creative as

837
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:39,919
Speaker 1: an actor and go on to sets because I get

838
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:44,399
Speaker 1: to work with you, you know, like you've literally one

839
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: of the few people that have hired me over the

840
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 1: last eleven years, right, Like there's been a few Kevin Smith,

841
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:52,919
Speaker 1: like you know I did the Heather's reboot, there are some,

842
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 1: but you have consistently like hired, rehired, hired, rehired me

843
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 1: almost to the point where I I wonder if you

844
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:04,320
Speaker 1: regret it, because now I call you and I'm like, oh,

845
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:05,800
Speaker 1: I hear you're doing another movie.

846
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 2: No, no, it my part in it?

847
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 3: No?

848
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:11,399
Speaker 2: No, like the latest one, I'm not going to say

849
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 2: who was in it. And I was like, there better

850
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,919
Speaker 2: be apart from me, James, the latest one.

851
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 3: And when you read, you read the script and you go,

852
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 3: you go that there's not enough, good enough part for

853
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 3: you. You don't want to do this one.

854
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 2: You've said that to me.

855
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 3: Well, I said, yeah, I can't do this one. There's

856
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 3: not a good enough part for Shanon to this.

857
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:30,879
Speaker 2: And I'm like, oh, I can find one.

858
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 3: You can find one. Write every word, just write.

859
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: It bigger, make it bigger. But it doesn't make sense.

860
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, you can do it, James. I believe in you.

861
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 3: She doesn't actually call me and tell me not to

862
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 3: do a movie. I'm just some of this is sarcasm,

863
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 3: been taking out of context on a podcast, So I

864
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 3: just wanted to be very clear.

865
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 1: Oh God, I can't wait for the trolls to get

866
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 1: a hold of this. It's so funny. Speaking of rur

867
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 1: next movie.

868
00:40:56,360 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 3: No, I'm kidding, Ah, Shannon, speaking of you ever played

869
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 3: the game heads up? So there's this game heads Up

870
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 3: where you guess things, and so it's like turn it

871
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 3: downwards anytime you get the thing right to see how

872
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 3: many points you could brack up. So I got like

873
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 3: a bazillion points on it. I did really well. And

874
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 3: then Shannon had to go second, and anytime she would

875
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 3: guess something, it would be wrong and you go no, no, no,

876
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 3: it's right, and she she did it, and then she

877
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,240
Speaker 3: goes up, I beat you. I had a higher point score,

878
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 3: and I was like, oh you did. Was go like this,

879
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 3: you didn't even guess.

880
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 2: So, oh my god, I'm so competitor.

881
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 4: Yeah.

882
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 3: She's like, but the score says I won, And I

883
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 3: was like, you literally just went like this. I am.

884
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 1: I mean my brother like growing up playing Sean Sean,

885
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 1: my brother Sean growing up playing games. He was like

886
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 1: horrified to play any games with me because I I

887
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: had to win.

888
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 2: I just I had to win. Yeah, it was like

889
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 2: a real thing.

890
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 3: No, it's it's true. I'm remembering your mystery party where

891
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 3: I figured it out and you literally switched teams to

892
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 3: go on to my team because you're like, oh wait,

893
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 3: he does figure it.

894
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 2: I knew you had it figured it out.

895
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 3: Yeah. So You're like, I'm on his team, and you're like,

896
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:13,439
Speaker 3: I got it.

897
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 1: Right because you were just it was the way that

898
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 1: you were walking around the house.

899
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 2: You're very confident. But you also did what everybody was

900
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 2: supposed to do.

901
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 1: So we had a murder mystery here at my house

902
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 1: in Malibu for my last birthday, and everybody got divided

903
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: into teams, and so you're supposed to go up and

904
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:36,760
Speaker 1: ask each group questions and then the questions give you clues,

905
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 1: and James was doing that.

906
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 2: I was I don't know.

907
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 1: I guess I just thought that I could figure it

908
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 1: out without even asking anybody anything.

909
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 2: I forgot.

910
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,359
Speaker 1: I was socializing and you know, but then I saw

911
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 1: James stop talking to everybody and he just he had

912
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 1: this like little smirk.

913
00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:00,080
Speaker 2: On his face, and I knew.

914
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:03,280
Speaker 1: And that instant that he had it all figured out.

915
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 1: And so yeah, I went to him. I was like, James,

916
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 1: it's my birthday. I want to know the answer right now.

917
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: And he told me and we won.

918
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, we did, we did, thanks to me. I told

919
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 3: her and Shannon. Shannon instead of winning, then went around

920
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 3: telling everybody what it was and said that you figured

921
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 3: it out, so everyone everyone won.

922
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 1: No, it was Adam, Dana and I that got the

923
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: little certificates.

924
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 3: I didn't get this right, Oh, you just stole my thing.

925
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 3: I didn't win.

926
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, you didn't win. My team won. I don't know.

927
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,320
Speaker 1: I think you said that you didn't care. I remember

928
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 1: you being like, I don't care, just take it and

929
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 1: give it to your team. And I was like, and

930
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: I felt bad for your team member.

931
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 3: It was your brother.

932
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's hysterical. But it was fun. It

933
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 2: was like something different to do.

934
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 3: It was fun.

935
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 1: So I'm curious, like, because you know, you and I've

936
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: obviously I've been friends for eleven years and we've been

937
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,959
Speaker 1: through a lot together and cancer, Like, how was that?

938
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 3: You know?

939
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 1: Because I because I know that it's as hard as

940
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 1: it is on me, it's also extremely hard on the

941
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 1: other people in my life.

942
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:21,320
Speaker 3: You know, It's it's I get asked about it a lot.

943
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 3: Everybody asks me for like updates of how you are

944
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 3: and stuff, and it's one of those things of like

945
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 3: sometimes I feel because we don't really talk about it. No,

946
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 3: I mean that's like, but I feel like we don't

947
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 3: talk about it, not because I don't want to know

948
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 3: about it, but because I feel like because I don't

949
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 3: see you on a daily basis when we see each other, like,

950
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 3: I'm kind of your escape from dealing with it. You're

951
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 3: dealing with this diagnosis at all times, and so like,

952
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:53,320
Speaker 3: I try to not make our time together about that, yeah,

953
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 3: because I feel like you need that time away from that.

954
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 1: It wasn't that long ago after like one of my

955
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 1: infusions and I get really sick or the infusions for

956
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 1: like a couple of days, and you came over. You

957
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 1: were like, listen, we don't have to talk about it.

958
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,800
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna come over. You can sleep on the couch.

959
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna sit next to you watch TV. And

960
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 1: you did, and it was actually, it was really nice

961
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 1: because it was like there was again, there was no

962
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 1: conversation about it. You were just there and you didn't

963
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 1: recoil in horror when I threw up, like you were

964
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 1: okay with it.

965
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:29,320
Speaker 3: We watched Jury Duty and yes, and I kept giving

966
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 3: you saltines you were very excited about. But you know,

967
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 3: obviously I care about what's.

968
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 4: Going on with you, and you know it's a lot,

969
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 4: and you're so brave and you're dealing with so much,

970
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 4: but you know everybody around you is talking to you

971
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 4: about that, you know, And I just feel like, you know,

972
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:52,800
Speaker 4: if you wanted to talk to me about it, you'd

973
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:54,359
Speaker 4: call me and talk to me about it.

974
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 1: I also think that, like we have a sort of

975
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 1: bond and a mutual comrade because we both lost our

976
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:06,479
Speaker 1: fathers and you were, like me, extremely close with your dad.

977
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 3: We lost our fathers for the same thing. Yeah, yeah,

978
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:13,959
Speaker 3: both you know, kidney dialysis. Yeah, you lost your father

979
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 3: like right before we met, right, I think so. And

980
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 3: then I lost my dad four years ago, and I

981
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 3: remember we were talking. We talked a lot about that

982
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:23,959
Speaker 3: stuff too.

983
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,760
Speaker 2: We dealt with that, we did.

984
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 1: So I just think that anybody who I don't know

985
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 1: your relationship with your parents, like I love that. I

986
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 1: have a deep love and respect for someone who cares

987
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 1: so deeply for their own family.

988
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 3: To touch on the cancer things. One thing that is

989
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 3: hard because we don't talk about it, because it's very

990
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 3: hard seeing the updates of how you're doing in like

991
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 3: have lords versus hearing about it from you because anytime

992
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 3: something comes out, but I.

993
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 1: Always like, but that's just you know, it's a regurgitation

994
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: of something that you know, I've said three months prior,

995
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 1: six months prior, it's you know, them just putting a

996
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 1: new spin on it or somebody selling a story or whatever.

997
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 3: But like the weirdest thing about that is when that

998
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,839
Speaker 3: happens whenever a story comes out, like the people want

999
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 3: any of the things that come out. People don't like

1000
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,359
Speaker 3: text me and say hey, how's Shannon doing. Everybody just

1001
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 3: sends I'll get like forty people that just send me

1002
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 3: the articles if I haven't seen it before.

1003
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 1: You know, my brother got the same thing, like a

1004
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 1: bunch of people sending him the article and then like

1005
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: calling him and I was like, Sean, it's it's what

1006
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:47,359
Speaker 1: I told you about.

1007
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 3: You know, when we were when we were in Texas.

1008
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:53,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you know, so uh, you know someone who

1009
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 1: has cared for a loved one that was sick, Like,

1010
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: what are the challenges in that for you or that

1011
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 1: we're there for you? And how how has that impacted

1012
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 1: you and maybe it hasn't, Like did it impact you

1013
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 1: in the way that you deal with people? Has it

1014
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:10,919
Speaker 1: impacted on a personal level, Has it impacted your work

1015
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 1: at all?

1016
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 3: I mean I think that it's definitely impacted my work.

1017
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,359
Speaker 3: As you know, when you lose somebody that you love,

1018
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 3: there's a piece.

1019
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 2: Of you that yeah, and.

1020
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 3: It's and it's gone, you know, and you know that

1021
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 3: pain exists and it never goes away because it's the

1022
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 3: reminder of who they were and how important.

1023
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 4: They were to you.

1024
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 3: Like I mean, I find myself still randomly hearing a

1025
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:39,760
Speaker 3: song that will make me cry and I'll think about

1026
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 3: my dad and it's overwhelming to deal with. And it's

1027
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 3: that piece of you is missing. And you know, there's

1028
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,399
Speaker 3: whenevery something exciting happens, you want to call and talk

1029
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 3: to them. When something you know sad happens, you want

1030
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 3: to call and talk to them, and you can. And

1031
00:48:55,600 --> 00:49:00,439
Speaker 3: it's hard to have real conversations with people. I never

1032
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 3: wish this upon them, of them losing somebody they love

1033
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:07,840
Speaker 3: like that, it's hard to really relate on some levels

1034
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:11,359
Speaker 3: with a lot of people that don't understand what you're

1035
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 3: actually going through and what that is, you know. I

1036
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 3: think I dealt with a lot when my dad was

1037
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 3: sick because I was like his medical proxy, Like I

1038
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 3: made all of his medical decisions because he was not

1039
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 3: able to do that himself in the last year when

1040
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 3: and so like I had to make all those decisions

1041
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 3: and I had to be the one to tell them

1042
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 3: to take them off of the life support and sign

1043
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 3: the you know, the do not resuscitate and all that stuff.

1044
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 3: And you know, the weirdest thing about that is even

1045
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 3: though all these doctors tell you it's the right thing

1046
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:44,359
Speaker 3: to do, and you do that, and then you know,

1047
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 3: you still have this feeling of like, did I did

1048
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 3: I kill them? Did I did the choices I make

1049
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 3: kill them? If I had held out a month longer,

1050
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,840
Speaker 3: would they have recovered? Like? Did I murder the person

1051
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 3: that I love? And I know that's like a weird

1052
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 3: thought process to have, but because you have that responsibility

1053
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:05,959
Speaker 3: and you took that responsibility, it's hard not to think

1054
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 3: like that, Yeah, that's definitely affected it. And also just

1055
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 3: you know, like I don't want the pain of losing

1056
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:16,359
Speaker 3: my dad to go away because it shows me how

1057
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 3: important he wants to be. It's not a pain of

1058
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 3: always like I'm not in agony as I walk down

1059
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 3: the street, but things remind me of him, and I

1060
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 3: will feel that sadness, and I think that it's important.

1061
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 1: And it's almost honoring them and honoring the relationship that

1062
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 1: you have and how much you loved them. It's it's like,

1063
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 1: you know, I miss my dad every single second of

1064
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:42,959
Speaker 1: the day. I don't cry every single day anymore, but yeah,

1065
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,319
Speaker 1: I miss him. And there are moments when I hear

1066
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:48,720
Speaker 1: a song or you know, a certain food is being cooked,

1067
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:53,320
Speaker 1: or there's something that you know would love a joke,

1068
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 1: and I can see my dad like laughing so hard

1069
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 1: that tears would pour down his face, right because that's

1070
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 1: that was his kind of laughter. And that's what gets me.

1071
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 1: That's what like those painful moments. But like you said,

1072
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 1: it's not consistently like that, you're in agony, but it

1073
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 1: just again shows like your love and your relationship with

1074
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 1: your father and how important that was. So how has

1075
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:20,800
Speaker 1: that impacted maybe you and your work.

1076
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 3: Well, it's impacted me, as you know, because I used

1077
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,400
Speaker 3: to write all the stuff that I directed, and I

1078
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 3: stopped writing because the last thing that I was writing,

1079
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 3: I was writing with him, and he made me promise

1080
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:39,799
Speaker 3: I would finish it if he died. And he died,

1081
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 3: and I have still not finished it because you know,

1082
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 3: sitting and finishing that. I sat like in front of

1083
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:49,879
Speaker 3: the keyboard to finish it, and it's just like I'm

1084
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 3: not ready to finish it, you know. And it's so

1085
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 3: silly because it was not even like it's just like

1086
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 3: a cheesy horror movie. It was not a deep project

1087
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:00,399
Speaker 3: like I wanted to be deep now because but.

1088
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 1: You only your promise to him was that you would

1089
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Speaker 1: finish it. It wasn't that you wouldn't write anything else.

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00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:08,400
Speaker 1: It was just that you would finish that.

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00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, but it's like that. It's hard for

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00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 3: me to not I understand.

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00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:16,359
Speaker 1: But maybe, just maybe this is not the first time

1094
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 1: I've had this conversation with you.

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00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, but now we're doing it on a podcas.

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00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 2: We'm going to do it on a podcast. It give

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00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 2: some extra pressure here.

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00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 1: Maybe just maybe if you write something else, it will

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00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 1: free you up to finish what you two started together.

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00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 1: Maybe I just want to say to you that on

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00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 1: a professional level, I always really.

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00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 2: Love working with you.

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00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 1: I think that you're, you know, very giving, I think

1104
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:45,839
Speaker 1: that you're very talented, and on a personal level, I

1105
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 1: you know, deeply, deeply, deeply appreciate how much you have

1106
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:54,879
Speaker 1: you know, supported me. And I'm not talking about career.

1107
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:57,839
Speaker 1: I'm talking about like going through cancer and going through

1108
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 1: divorce and heartbreak and you know, making me laugh, calling

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00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 1: me drunk at one am, asking me to marry you.

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00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 3: What sorry. That goes both ways. That goes both That

1111
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:13,720
Speaker 3: goes both ways. If you have called me drunk before

1112
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:14,399
Speaker 3: and asked me.

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00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 1: To marry you have I have never drunk on anybody

1114
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 1: in my life.

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00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:19,320
Speaker 3: You are a lot.

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00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 1: But the other thing I am going to say is

1117
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 1: that you, just like you promised your dad, you have promised.

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00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:28,799
Speaker 3: That I would write you a script. I know, I know,

1119
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 3: I know, I know, and.

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00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 2: I did say it has to be before I die.

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00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 3: This is a whole podcast, so you've got to get

1122
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 3: on it. This is a whole podcast.

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00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 1: We just have to figure out if it's like a

1124
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:42,240
Speaker 1: hardcore drama or if we're doing like an old Lady

1125
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 1: john Wick.

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00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:45,240
Speaker 3: I've already kind of figured out what.

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00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 2: I is it more like the old Lady john Wick.

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00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 3: That's what you want it to be. But it's going

1129
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 3: to be a hardcore drama that has an old Lady

1130
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 3: john Wick thing going on it.

1131
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 2: I'm sure it's going to be brilliant and we're.

1132
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:56,240
Speaker 3: Going to talk about it. But I have this really

1133
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 3: like on the drive out here, I have this really

1134
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 3: cool idea. Oh, so we'll talk about.

1135
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 2: It, so I can expect to see it on my

1136
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 2: desk in ten days.

1137
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 3: What what? What that one over there, the one that

1138
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 3: you use for video games? You mean your game desk.

1139
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:18,359
Speaker 2: I don't game anymore. I gave it all up.

1140
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 3: You gave it all up. Oh wow, it sounds like

1141
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:24,280
Speaker 3: I gave it all up. I know longer.

1142
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 1: On the game side, that was like a very good

1143
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 1: COVID distraction, right, people were making learning how to make

1144
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 1: sourdough bread, and I was learning how to game.

1145
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:33,839
Speaker 3: Because you already knew how to make sourdough bread.

1146
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:37,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, but I didn't want to learn any more

1147
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 1: cooking skills. I simply wanted to learn how to be

1148
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:40,840
Speaker 1: the ultimate gamer.

1149
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1150
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 1: I did come up short. I'm not the ultimate gamer.

1151
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 1: It takes like a thirteen year old. Yeah, Like those

1152
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 1: kids are so good at that.

1153
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 3: But I feel like you kind of like I remember

1154
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:54,320
Speaker 3: there was there was times where like we were hanging

1155
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:57,840
Speaker 3: out and you were You're like looking at your phone

1156
00:54:57,840 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 3: and I'm like, what are you doing. You're like, I'm

1157
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:01,720
Speaker 3: just looking at you know, the stats on my game

1158
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 3: from like over here, and You're like, I might need

1159
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 3: to leave, I might need to go back and like

1160
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 3: up these stats on this, And I'm like, are you

1161
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:09,840
Speaker 3: serious right now? Shannon.

1162
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean listen, when I commit, I commit. Okay,

1163
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:20,280
Speaker 1: I'm one committed to everything that I do, but mainly

1164
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 1: my friendship with you. I love you very much and

1165
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 1: thanks for driving to Malivan. Are you ready for some pizza?

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00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 3: Let's have some pizza?

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00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 1: All right, let's get to it. You guys, thank you

1168
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 1: for listening to Let's be clear with Shannon Doherty and

1169
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 1: we're gonna go cook some pizza now.

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Speaker 2: Bye bye