WEBVTT - Ep. 131: Calling Elk 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:12.720 This is me eat your podcast coming in you shirtless, 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:18.320 severely fog bitten in my case, underwear listening podcast. You 0:00:18.360 --> 0:00:37.320 can't predict anything. That's nice, thank you. Uh what do 0:00:37.360 --> 0:00:42.400 you find like? You know a lot of bulls have 0:00:42.479 --> 0:00:45.720 crazy bugles? Yeah, I mean they're they're spread across the 0:00:45.760 --> 0:00:48.960 board from just sometimes you have some bull he's like, ah, 0:00:49.320 --> 0:00:52.200 you know the ones it sound like they broke their 0:00:52.720 --> 0:00:56.440 larynx somehow. Yeah. We were in not to diverge too quick, 0:00:56.480 --> 0:00:58.080 too fast. But I was in the Bob Marshall in 0:00:58.080 --> 0:01:00.920 two thousand and twelve and the places untouched basically in 0:01:00.960 --> 0:01:03.520 some of these areas, and we have a bold of 0:01:03.560 --> 0:01:05.720 bagle that sounds like an owl that I would have 0:01:05.760 --> 0:01:07.959 never believed that if he didn't answer me like five, 0:01:08.120 --> 0:01:09.840 you know, within that five second range. And he did 0:01:09.840 --> 0:01:11.640 it again and it was like an owl hooting. I'm 0:01:11.640 --> 0:01:14.240 like what, Then you give me an example. I almost 0:01:14.280 --> 0:01:17.080 can and then this could just do it without a call, 0:01:17.120 --> 0:01:19.760 but just do it, or come as close as you 0:01:19.800 --> 0:01:23.160 can to mimick you what he's doing, but not even 0:01:23.160 --> 0:01:25.840 really that thump, it's just kind of an owl hoot sound. 0:01:26.440 --> 0:01:28.520 And then on that same day we walked a half 0:01:28.560 --> 0:01:31.040 mile down the ridge and one sound like a donkey 0:01:31.520 --> 0:01:34.240 and it did it twice like a heehaw the type sound. 0:01:34.240 --> 0:01:36.240 I'm like, wow, this is I felt like I was 0:01:36.240 --> 0:01:38.520 in some crazy land like this, These aren't elk anymore. 0:01:38.600 --> 0:01:41.240 But we called them both into twenty five yards and like, 0:01:41.240 --> 0:01:42.720 you know, they were elk? Can they bagle that way? 0:01:42.760 --> 0:01:47.160 The whole way in just crazy when you're out, you know. 0:01:47.840 --> 0:01:49.240 That's kind of what I guess I'm getting at is 0:01:49.320 --> 0:01:52.560 like we talked about this bunch of this spring when 0:01:52.560 --> 0:01:55.560 we were all hot on talking about turkeys. Is you know, 0:01:55.640 --> 0:01:58.800 you work so hard to get the right sounds, you know, 0:01:59.200 --> 0:02:01.720 you work so hard to get like high level turkey calm, 0:02:01.840 --> 0:02:05.160 like which I'm not great at. But then when you're 0:02:05.160 --> 0:02:08.320 out in the turkey woods, birds will come in doing 0:02:08.360 --> 0:02:13.200 stuff that you know, Yeah, it's just crazy. Like we 0:02:13.240 --> 0:02:15.000 had a guy after we had this conversation, We had 0:02:15.000 --> 0:02:18.480 a guy send us a video. It was the hand 0:02:18.520 --> 0:02:21.200 that comes in and like, um, not think he yelled 0:02:21.280 --> 0:02:23.839 like twenty seven times in a row. Oh, I thought 0:02:23.840 --> 0:02:27.000 it was in the sixties. Was it just just like 0:02:27.919 --> 0:02:30.079 where everybody's like, well, you should never yep more than 0:02:30.280 --> 0:02:32.799 you know. Yeah, and if and if we sat and 0:02:32.919 --> 0:02:34.359 if we sat out in the woods and we're leaning 0:02:34.360 --> 0:02:36.480 against a tree, and my body's gonna start calm, and 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:39.760 he gets going and he hits sixty. Right, if you're 0:02:39.760 --> 0:02:41.160 looking at like, what in the world are you doing 0:02:42.120 --> 0:02:44.320 so in the bugle and thing like when you're ripping 0:02:44.320 --> 0:02:48.760 bugles like that, do you mess around with doing the 0:02:48.800 --> 0:02:50.480 crazy ones or do you think it works? Like do 0:02:50.520 --> 0:02:52.880 you think it's it works best to have like that 0:02:53.040 --> 0:03:03.160 clean really like quintessential escalating topped out pitch bugle, like 0:03:03.200 --> 0:03:06.120 the perfect bugle sold you rip crazy bugles too. So 0:03:06.160 --> 0:03:08.359 when I'm locating, So that's just my standard. Walking down 0:03:08.360 --> 0:03:09.680 the ridge line, I try to get that high note 0:03:09.720 --> 0:03:12.000 that rings your ears, and I do that one the 0:03:12.040 --> 0:03:14.600 same every time, you know, call me boring vanilla ice cream. 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:16.440 Just I'm gonna get the high note. I'm gonna get 0:03:16.480 --> 0:03:18.040 high note. I'm gona get the high note. But once 0:03:18.080 --> 0:03:19.480 I get in on a bowl, then I try to 0:03:19.760 --> 0:03:22.200 And that's where I think becoming a good caller may help, 0:03:22.400 --> 0:03:24.200 is I try to mimic that bowl exactly. If he 0:03:24.280 --> 0:03:26.440 is that weird donkey bowl or whatever, I might mimic 0:03:26.520 --> 0:03:29.120 him or really if he gets that crazy. Maybe not, 0:03:29.200 --> 0:03:31.160 but most of your bowls that I would say within 0:03:31.200 --> 0:03:33.760 your general sounds like if they're a lip baller, which 0:03:33.760 --> 0:03:36.000 is the bugle I just did that real KNOCKI bugle 0:03:36.080 --> 0:03:38.520 through the center. If they're a high note with two chuckles, 0:03:38.520 --> 0:03:40.560 I try to match him. Um. So I just try 0:03:40.600 --> 0:03:42.160 to kind of match the bowl. I'm trying to call 0:03:42.200 --> 0:03:44.360 in and mimic him, um once we get once we 0:03:44.360 --> 0:03:47.160 get into that situation. But but for my location bugles, 0:03:47.200 --> 0:03:49.160 and I'm trying to just get something to answer. I'm 0:03:49.200 --> 0:03:52.040 pretty just playing Jane two or three note as high 0:03:52.040 --> 0:03:53.600 as I can get, you know, sent it down the 0:03:53.680 --> 0:03:58.080 canyon and then listen. If you had the okay, if 0:03:58.080 --> 0:04:00.800 you had to choose for locating note, if I said, 0:04:00.840 --> 0:04:03.000 you can bring your bronocular, you can bring optics, or 0:04:03.040 --> 0:04:08.320 you can bring a bugle man, that's a good question. 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:12.240 So all of and and all the seminars, I do 0:04:12.480 --> 0:04:14.640 my preferred way to spot them. I'm gonna give you 0:04:14.640 --> 0:04:17.440 the easiest answer ever here. I'm gonna tell you why 0:04:17.520 --> 0:04:19.360 each I would give it to me from the game 0:04:19.360 --> 0:04:21.760 caller perspective, No, I would love I would much rather 0:04:21.800 --> 0:04:25.560 spot elk with my binoculars any day over top of 0:04:25.560 --> 0:04:28.960 of you know, than than locating with the bugle. That way, 0:04:28.960 --> 0:04:30.200 they don't know him in the world. I can sit 0:04:30.279 --> 0:04:33.000 and watch them and figure out what's going on a point. 0:04:33.120 --> 0:04:35.159 But if I had to leave my locator bugle, if 0:04:35.160 --> 0:04:36.800 I can't spot them within the first half hour of 0:04:36.800 --> 0:04:39.120 the day, then I'm screwed because now I need that 0:04:39.120 --> 0:04:41.120 that location bugle the rest of the you know, for 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:42.760 the next two or three hours of that morning to 0:04:42.800 --> 0:04:45.760 try to get something going. So neither of them are good. 0:04:45.800 --> 0:04:49.680 But I would say, man, I would probably leave the 0:04:49.680 --> 0:04:52.960 optics if I had to pick, I'd take the location bugle. Yeah. 0:04:53.040 --> 0:04:55.680 And and again did I any two things that would 0:04:55.760 --> 0:04:58.599 be major factors would be like is it September or 0:04:58.640 --> 0:05:04.080 is it November? Right, I'm talking like yeah, So I'm 0:05:04.200 --> 0:05:06.039 the only reason I'm hoping that if I bring my 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:09.000 location bugle, you neither spot them with naked eye. Is 0:05:09.040 --> 0:05:11.440 their elk out in the middle of opening hopefully close 0:05:11.520 --> 0:05:13.360 or they're gonna be sounding off on their own, So 0:05:13.400 --> 0:05:15.640 I don't want to necessarily leave that location bugle at 0:05:15.640 --> 0:05:19.520 the truck all my binoculars. Yeah, And to add to that, 0:05:19.600 --> 0:05:22.919 I feel like again we're gonna make a lot of 0:05:23.080 --> 0:05:26.640 uh call that call us the turkeys. But like both 0:05:26.680 --> 0:05:30.240 of those animals are like much like sort of more 0:05:30.320 --> 0:05:34.040 fun and easier to hunt when they're making sounds and 0:05:34.080 --> 0:05:38.520 when they clam up, You're like, it's completely two different things, right, 0:05:38.560 --> 0:05:41.480 And sometimes with elk you really have to be hammering 0:05:41.520 --> 0:05:45.560 to get them to start talking. You know, what are 0:05:45.600 --> 0:05:54.839 the when you do uh standard your standard locat or bugle? Well, first, 0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:57.279 can you explain what you mean by locator bugle just 0:05:57.279 --> 0:06:00.160 so people who are tracking, so you know, and we 0:06:00.200 --> 0:06:02.279 can get into the science. And I don't claim to know, 0:06:02.360 --> 0:06:03.919 but I don't even mean like I'm gonna have you 0:06:04.000 --> 0:06:06.480 dissect a bugle, But I mean, like when you say 0:06:06.560 --> 0:06:10.159 like locating, just tell people what you mean by that. So, uh, 0:06:10.240 --> 0:06:12.880 it's the idea that I'm gonna pronounce that I'm gonna elk. 0:06:12.920 --> 0:06:15.200 I'm up here on this ridgeline and I'm just looking 0:06:15.200 --> 0:06:17.360 for a response. And it's kind of a territorial thing 0:06:17.400 --> 0:06:19.760 that Herd Bowl or even that other satellite bowl. You say, hey, 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:22.360 I'm up here, I'm and he'll answer him down here 0:06:22.400 --> 0:06:24.799 kind of that Marco Polo game, you know, so to speak, 0:06:24.839 --> 0:06:27.080 like Marco Polo. All right, now I got you. That's 0:06:27.279 --> 0:06:28.720 you know, you didn't know I wasn't real ELX. And 0:06:28.760 --> 0:06:30.160 now I can start the game, you know, figure out 0:06:30.200 --> 0:06:32.359 where the wins at. And so you're just looking for 0:06:32.400 --> 0:06:34.080 a response. You're not trying to call him in, you're 0:06:34.080 --> 0:06:36.559 not trying to threaten him, scare him anything. At that point, 0:06:36.560 --> 0:06:39.679 it's just kind of a yeah, just a quick clean 0:06:39.960 --> 0:06:41.760 all right, now I gotta I gotta pin on you. 0:06:41.880 --> 0:06:44.080 We'll figure out how to try to get on you know. 0:06:44.200 --> 0:06:48.520 And that raises a couple other questions, Uh, real quick, 0:06:48.640 --> 0:06:52.400 tell people what a satellite bowl is. So satellite bowl, Um, 0:06:52.600 --> 0:06:55.279 it's just that bowl that's kind of hanging close to 0:06:55.279 --> 0:06:57.320 that herd bowl. The herd bulls typically they've got their 0:06:57.360 --> 0:07:00.560 pecking order figured out. That herd bowl any where from 0:07:01.240 --> 0:07:03.320 you know, it could be a single cow, two cows 0:07:03.320 --> 0:07:05.120 in some places when the bull of cow ratio is 0:07:05.200 --> 0:07:08.000 high all the way down to in my area and 0:07:08.120 --> 0:07:11.320 coastal Washington, you have herds of thirty and it's not 0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:13.480 even unheard of to to have more cows than that. 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:18.200 One big boss bull is kind of running the show, yea, 0:07:18.760 --> 0:07:20.960 or like the you know there's like a lead cow running. 0:07:21.120 --> 0:07:23.960 There's a lead cow who's saying like we're going here, 0:07:24.600 --> 0:07:29.080 but pestering them and crawling them and defending them from 0:07:29.120 --> 0:07:31.920 all comers. Yeah, she's held the chief bull. Yeah, she 0:07:31.960 --> 0:07:33.640 tells them where they're going. He kind of tells them 0:07:33.640 --> 0:07:36.080 how they're going to get there. Um was going to 0:07:36.160 --> 0:07:38.040 come along, yeah, Yeah, and he keeps them rounded up. 0:07:38.040 --> 0:07:41.040 But then these satellite bulls are you're, you know, subordinate, 0:07:41.080 --> 0:07:43.720 submature sometimes even mature bulls. You know, if you get 0:07:43.760 --> 0:07:45.200 into some of these spots, you might have a giant 0:07:45.240 --> 0:07:48.960 satellite bowl body wise and age wise, maturity wise, but 0:07:49.080 --> 0:07:51.480 that herd bowls big enough and more dominant enough to 0:07:51.560 --> 0:07:54.600 keep them just kind of on the shadows of this herd. Well, 0:07:54.680 --> 0:07:57.720 what happens throughout the day and throughout September, these satellite 0:07:57.720 --> 0:07:59.320 bowls coming and try to pick off a cow or 0:07:59.320 --> 0:08:01.320 two from him, and so this herd bull spends a 0:08:01.320 --> 0:08:03.560 ton of time like running them off. And you know, 0:08:03.640 --> 0:08:05.080 when you run off the satellite bowl and now there's 0:08:05.360 --> 0:08:08.400 you know, there's sometimes multiple satellite bowls. They're they're coming 0:08:08.400 --> 0:08:10.520 to pestor from the opposite direction, almost like they're working 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:13.040 against him. The you know, pick cows out of his herd. 0:08:13.080 --> 0:08:15.440 So you got these satellite bowls, and it becomes very 0:08:15.560 --> 0:08:19.120 very fun el cunning when that happens, because that herd 0:08:19.160 --> 0:08:22.160 bowl becomes very very active, very very talkative. The satellite 0:08:22.200 --> 0:08:24.840 bowls get very very talkative and active, and it kind 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:28.680 of creates that that frenzy that that just you know, 0:08:29.000 --> 0:08:33.640 I've heard about. I haven't seen his personally, but I've 0:08:33.640 --> 0:08:36.240 heard guys talk about like a herd bowl being so 0:08:36.440 --> 0:08:42.120 fixated on chasing and harassing other bowls that they're watching 0:08:42.160 --> 0:08:44.560 as all these other bulls are slipping in and breathing 0:08:44.600 --> 0:08:48.600 a cow, and instead of just like breeding the cow, 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:52.839 he just can't help himself but just chase everyone all 0:08:52.840 --> 0:08:55.920 over the place and just open himself up to having 0:08:55.960 --> 0:08:58.040 like the very thing he's trying to prevent from happening, 0:08:58.040 --> 0:09:01.240 he's basically allowing it to happen by running other bulls 0:09:01.240 --> 0:09:03.400 a hundred yards in some direction all the time. Yeah, 0:09:03.480 --> 0:09:05.360 and we've watched him from across the canyon. It's almost 0:09:05.440 --> 0:09:08.319 like they pay they've got that herd bull will pick 0:09:08.320 --> 0:09:09.960 out one or two. He really doesn't like, you know, 0:09:10.000 --> 0:09:12.360 like us, you got his worst enemy and he'll spend 0:09:12.360 --> 0:09:14.640 more time to let those other bulls get so much 0:09:14.640 --> 0:09:16.480 closer to his herd and spend more time on that 0:09:16.559 --> 0:09:19.360 one bulle. It seems like, man, you're just you're letting 0:09:19.400 --> 0:09:20.840 these other ones slip in. It's just I don't know 0:09:20.880 --> 0:09:23.040 what goes through their head. But some are yeah, some 0:09:23.160 --> 0:09:28.559 are like they're like fighters and that lovers. What So, 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:32.920 what do you think about this? Like, if you're out locating, 0:09:32.960 --> 0:09:35.480 can you i, you know, presume you'd like to be 0:09:35.559 --> 0:09:38.360 up high where you can broadcast down as much ground 0:09:38.360 --> 0:09:44.400 as you can when you see a bull trying to 0:09:44.400 --> 0:09:47.320 think of how to ask this. A bull doesn't go 0:09:47.520 --> 0:09:51.640 up high. A real bull doesn't go up high and 0:09:51.760 --> 0:09:55.120 rip out vehicles just to see who's out on the landscape. Right, 0:09:55.360 --> 0:09:58.839 he's doing something different. He's not like, hey, where are 0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:02.320 you because I'm gonna come four yards over that direction 0:10:02.320 --> 0:10:05.040 to beat your ass? You know, Like what is he 0:10:05.120 --> 0:10:09.280 communicating when he's bugling? So well, we're trying to mimic, 0:10:09.559 --> 0:10:11.800 in my opinion, with that ridge running you know or 0:10:11.880 --> 0:10:14.360 fire road running whatever that that get high so you 0:10:14.360 --> 0:10:18.880 can really use you know, the terraindeer advantage. Satellite bowls 0:10:18.920 --> 0:10:22.040 will do that especially those somewhat mature satellite bowls or 0:10:22.120 --> 0:10:25.600 the they will run ridges looking for those cows. And 0:10:25.640 --> 0:10:27.560 so when we have the chance to hunt, what are 0:10:27.600 --> 0:10:29.960 they doing? What are they bugling for? They're just trying 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:32.800 to locate cows in the real world, US removed that 0:10:32.920 --> 0:10:35.920 satellite bowls running looking for like, hey, I'm here and 0:10:35.920 --> 0:10:38.480 and and and you know, without us being involved, that 0:10:38.520 --> 0:10:41.040 cow would come to him. Also, you think they really 0:10:41.080 --> 0:10:46.679 are up there cruising, bugling and bugling trying to find elk, 0:10:46.840 --> 0:10:49.800 not just bugling as a way of being I have them, Yeah, 0:10:50.000 --> 0:10:51.679 I mean we've long. I'm gonna hang onto him. We 0:10:51.679 --> 0:10:53.880 were in the Blues and four two thou fourteen down 0:10:53.920 --> 0:10:56.120 there in southeast Washington, where it's a little bit different 0:10:56.160 --> 0:10:59.040 of a special draw um, the elk are a lot 0:10:59.120 --> 0:11:01.640 more active, there's a lot more of them. We multiple 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:04.640 on multiple occasions we would be in the timber and 0:11:04.720 --> 0:11:06.720 heard that happen where you could hear a bull run 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:08.600 a finger ridge up, run the main ridge out, run 0:11:08.600 --> 0:11:10.640 a finger ridge down. And he was just biggling as 0:11:10.640 --> 0:11:12.439 fast as he could run by himself. And we ended 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:15.319 up calling him in um and calling that bulling, and 0:11:15.640 --> 0:11:18.200 the shooter missed it a couple of times. Um, we 0:11:18.280 --> 0:11:21.520 watched it across stalking the Blues in Washington. We watched 0:11:21.520 --> 0:11:22.959 the same thing across the way. You would watch a 0:11:23.040 --> 0:11:25.080 herd bull just and you could hear him. You would 0:11:25.080 --> 0:11:27.800 watch him just run a ridgeline and big ol every 0:11:27.840 --> 0:11:29.640 couple hundred yards. I think he was just flat out 0:11:29.679 --> 0:11:32.800 looking for cows. He had none, Um, just just running ridges, 0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:35.000 looking for looking for So he's like a like a 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:37.720 boss gobbler out. I was just gonna say, it's amazing 0:11:37.720 --> 0:11:41.439 this similarity. Yanni doesn't like it when people say he 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:46.439 doesn't like when people say that el Khuntin's like turkey hunt. No, no, no, no, no, 0:11:47.679 --> 0:11:52.000 doesn't like it because admittedly there are some enormous differences. 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:57.280 Yeah right, just the gut pile, right, just the gun alone. Yeah, 0:11:57.360 --> 0:11:59.840 a little different. Yeah, some of these Western hunters, some 0:11:59.880 --> 0:12:02.640 of us Western hunters, not us me included, but some 0:12:02.679 --> 0:12:05.320 people have some issues with that, that comparison the whole 0:12:05.360 --> 0:12:08.320 elk versus turkey. But but as far as the but 0:12:08.400 --> 0:12:10.600 there's more dude, more dudes on turkeys than hunt elk. 0:12:11.200 --> 0:12:15.040 And when you're hunting turkeys, you're out being like there's 0:12:15.080 --> 0:12:19.359 a vocal male. Okay, there's a vocal male who's territorial, 0:12:19.679 --> 0:12:24.000 who doesn't like other males, who wants hends to come 0:12:24.040 --> 0:12:29.960 to him. You're making the noise of females. It's like, 0:12:30.000 --> 0:12:35.480 I'm sorry, I'm sorry, but there's like some similarities more 0:12:35.520 --> 0:12:37.600 than in duck hunting. No one says el cons like 0:12:37.640 --> 0:12:41.200 duck hunting. No as far. I think you're you're exactly 0:12:41.200 --> 0:12:44.400 on point as far as the calling aspects and kind 0:12:44.400 --> 0:12:46.160 of what's going through your head, what's going through their head. 0:12:46.360 --> 0:12:49.080 They're pretty dang close, you know. I think the the 0:12:49.240 --> 0:12:51.800 similarities are you know, the train you're in, maybe how 0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:54.280 difficult the hunt is. But there's there's some tough turkey 0:12:54.360 --> 0:12:59.240 hunting right because all these things and and it's funny 0:12:59.280 --> 0:13:01.200 because I wouldn't like, let's say I hung out with 0:13:01.240 --> 0:13:06.040 some dude who uh had always hunted elk okay, and 0:13:06.080 --> 0:13:08.840 he thought for his first turkey hunt, I wouldn't be like, bro, 0:13:08.920 --> 0:13:10.920 it's just like hunt right, It only goes to the 0:13:10.960 --> 0:13:13.600 other direction because it's you're trying to invite people who 0:13:13.679 --> 0:13:17.920 have a familiarity. You know, the millions of individuals who 0:13:17.960 --> 0:13:20.440 have a familiarity with turkey hunting. You're kind of just 0:13:20.480 --> 0:13:24.079 trying to invite them to start thinking about the whole thing. 0:13:24.440 --> 0:13:27.320 So it's not meant to be an insult. Like I said, 0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:29.559 you know you can throw the turkey's gut pile in 0:13:29.600 --> 0:13:32.959 your pocket. In your back pocket, yeah, ok, you have 0:13:33.000 --> 0:13:34.960 a wheelbarrel for that. A lot of the lot of 0:13:34.960 --> 0:13:38.800 the tactics, I feel like if you're strictly talking the hunting, 0:13:38.840 --> 0:13:41.760 the calling, it's pretty similar. But back to the cow. 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:46.120 So responding to I twice had it running ridges bug 0:13:46.160 --> 0:13:49.520 went away and a bugle and like the last thing 0:13:49.559 --> 0:13:52.240 you think you're gonna hear is yeah, and sure enough, 0:13:52.640 --> 0:13:54.559 like you know, less than a hundred yards away, I 0:13:54.559 --> 0:13:57.280 have a cow answer me her coming into the bugle. 0:13:57.320 --> 0:14:00.040 But what's interesting both times that happened, I mean it 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:02.120 was right on the back end of that cow call 0:14:02.360 --> 0:14:05.840 is then the bull that was with her went. I 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:12.559 was like yeah, yeah, And both times I heard crashing 0:14:12.600 --> 0:14:15.520 away that that bull took that cow, was like, we're 0:14:15.520 --> 0:14:17.480 going that direction, came up, poked her and took her 0:14:17.480 --> 0:14:19.160 the other way. So let me ask you this, then, 0:14:19.280 --> 0:14:23.080 both of you guys, have you seen many instances when 0:14:23.080 --> 0:14:25.400 you're out ridge running what do you call it you 0:14:25.480 --> 0:14:28.120 just out locating on the ridges ridge running? Have you 0:14:28.200 --> 0:14:35.840 called in many bullss cows doing that? Not? I mean, 0:14:35.880 --> 0:14:38.640 we have not a lot. Um I say, you're just 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:41.320 looking for that location, because typically we get that location beagle, 0:14:41.400 --> 0:14:43.200 we bail off towards him. But no, I would say 0:14:43.360 --> 0:14:45.480 what I'm after? Yeah, yeah, if that's the way that 0:14:45.600 --> 0:14:48.480 real life works. No, And I think I think even 0:14:48.480 --> 0:14:51.080 the satellite bowl, and it's just my own thoughts on it, 0:14:51.360 --> 0:14:53.080 there's not a lot of loose cows running, you know, 0:14:53.480 --> 0:14:56.600 or unhearded up cows runner out, I think. But for 0:14:56.640 --> 0:14:58.960 that satellite bulls, it's worth that last ditch effort to 0:14:59.040 --> 0:15:01.600 run those ridges and just see what's out there. Um. 0:15:01.840 --> 0:15:05.080 Another thing the reason that and they could be very 0:15:05.120 --> 0:15:08.800 similar to us, that that somewhat mature stellite bowl could 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:10.680 be looking for a different herd. Like, hey, I can't 0:15:10.720 --> 0:15:13.080 take that guy down there's cows because he's a big 0:15:13.120 --> 0:15:15.200 you know, he's the toughest guy on the mountain. But 0:15:15.200 --> 0:15:17.360 maybe there's a herd bull on the either side or 0:15:17.400 --> 0:15:19.680 down here in a different pocket that's maybe not as tough, 0:15:19.720 --> 0:15:21.600 and I have a chance at him, you know. So 0:15:21.760 --> 0:15:23.600 there's there may be a couple of different reasons. He 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:26.360 may be he's searching for you know, loose cows or 0:15:26.520 --> 0:15:28.360 or a different herd bull to go try to fight. Yeah, 0:15:28.400 --> 0:15:31.320 that's easy for me to picture, is that he's just 0:15:31.360 --> 0:15:34.600 out ripping bugles and when he hears something, he's like, 0:15:34.600 --> 0:15:35.960 what That'll gonna go there and have a look, see 0:15:35.960 --> 0:15:38.120 what's going on. Maybe some dinky little ship and I'm 0:15:38.120 --> 0:15:41.240 gonna yep, claub room and then he'll be up running 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:44.400 ridges and I'll be down here, yeah, playing grabbit. Yeah. Yeah, 0:15:44.440 --> 0:15:45.800 he already did the hard work for me. He's got 0:15:45.800 --> 0:15:47.600 these things all rounded up. I just gotta scoop in. 0:15:47.640 --> 0:15:52.320 And that's my friend. Brandt would talk about open anchored Alaska. 0:15:52.680 --> 0:15:56.480 He would talk about these these uh big mallards that 0:15:56.520 --> 0:15:58.600 would hang around on campus where they had some open 0:15:58.640 --> 0:16:01.200 ponds and stuff, and they'd be out there and need 0:16:01.200 --> 0:16:04.160 to get fat, you know, these huge, big mallards, and 0:16:04.200 --> 0:16:06.560 then the migratory ducks would come up and they just 0:16:06.600 --> 0:16:09.320 be emaciated, you know from that long migration. You said, 0:16:09.320 --> 0:16:11.720 they'd land that big, that big local duck be like, 0:16:11.720 --> 0:16:15.920 I'll take them here, boys, just take over all the hands, 0:16:15.920 --> 0:16:19.680 you know, he's just totally fat and half. What are 0:16:19.720 --> 0:16:25.440 the um, what are the parts of a bugle? So there? 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:27.840 Do you think about it that way? I do? And 0:16:27.920 --> 0:16:30.200 there's there's different ways to mix and match kind of that, 0:16:30.240 --> 0:16:32.800 there's your opening. You can um, you know a lot 0:16:32.840 --> 0:16:35.040 of the people start off with a growl or you know, 0:16:35.040 --> 0:16:37.000 a real but I say we should talk about real bulls. 0:16:37.000 --> 0:16:39.640 A real bowl will start off, you know, raspy or growley, which, 0:16:40.040 --> 0:16:42.520 um we can we can mimic with adding some voice 0:16:42.560 --> 0:16:44.720 in with our throat. Do the do the whole thing, 0:16:45.200 --> 0:16:46.880 and then we'll have you break out some parts. Let's 0:16:46.880 --> 0:16:48.320 just do because we haven't. We haven't had you ripped 0:16:48.360 --> 0:16:49.720 one since we start talking, So just kind of a 0:16:50.080 --> 0:16:51.600 hero we'll do a kind of a standard challenge. We 0:16:51.720 --> 0:16:53.400 all try to think about the different parts that are 0:16:53.400 --> 0:16:55.280 in there, at least what I do, and then we'll 0:16:55.320 --> 0:16:57.120 come back and try to explain them. I'm gonna try 0:16:57.120 --> 0:16:59.520 to count how many parts I think are in there. 0:17:09.160 --> 0:17:10.960 I like that and man, because when you're watch someone 0:17:11.040 --> 0:17:14.879 do it and you see his belly just drop kissing 0:17:14.920 --> 0:17:17.040 all over themselves and yeah, like when they get like that, man, 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:20.440 they looked like they'd be eating meat pictures like killing 0:17:20.440 --> 0:17:24.960 a rabbit meat when their belly just going, and it's 0:17:25.000 --> 0:17:27.680 like you're like, yeah, at some point you'd switch diet. 0:17:27.720 --> 0:17:32.160 It's almost man. So you got like the yeah, there's 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:34.879 not opening, which I typically don't do the grally. I 0:17:35.000 --> 0:17:38.520 usually just start clean clean into the escalation. Yeah, and 0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:40.800 then you kind of you kind of transition really quick 0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:43.040 into your high note, so you can kind of there's 0:17:43.040 --> 0:17:46.880 a intro the transition into the high note. I hold. 0:17:46.920 --> 0:17:48.679 I try to hold the high note for you know, 0:17:48.680 --> 0:17:50.480 one or two seconds, and it depends on what people 0:17:50.640 --> 0:17:53.400 maybe we should should Just there's that location biogle, which 0:17:53.400 --> 0:17:54.960 is just a two or three note high note, and 0:17:54.960 --> 0:17:56.840 then quitch. There's only maybe two or three parts of 0:17:56.840 --> 0:17:59.919 the location the challenge Biegle I just did. And then 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:01.960 halfway through that high no, I try to drop my 0:18:02.040 --> 0:18:05.000 voice back into the call, so he and then you 0:18:05.040 --> 0:18:07.480 try to like get growlly there towards the end. And 0:18:07.480 --> 0:18:09.800 that's just kind of my idea of adding some aggression 0:18:09.840 --> 0:18:12.879 back in. And then I finished with the grint, so intro, 0:18:13.359 --> 0:18:15.480 get to the high note, add some voice back in, 0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:18.040 either finished with some chuckles, grunts, or you can just 0:18:18.119 --> 0:18:19.920 kind of pop the bagle off and end it there. 0:18:20.680 --> 0:18:23.160 And you found, like on the locations, like when you're 0:18:23.160 --> 0:18:30.200 doing locators, you found that that that like extending prolonging 0:18:30.320 --> 0:18:35.520 that highness, the high note, can fire them up more 0:18:35.560 --> 0:18:37.639 than when you don't I would say extending it, I 0:18:37.680 --> 0:18:40.040 would say, it's it's that tony reach. Get making sure 0:18:40.080 --> 0:18:41.879 you get that tone that hits your ears, because it 0:18:41.920 --> 0:18:44.000 gets to somehow gets their attention. I don't like to 0:18:44.040 --> 0:18:45.919 be in the length of it. I actually don't like 0:18:45.960 --> 0:18:47.119 to be that long. I want to be like two 0:18:47.200 --> 0:18:49.200 or three seconds, because there's a chance of that bull 0:18:49.200 --> 0:18:51.480 may do a weird grunt or do like a weird 0:18:51.520 --> 0:18:53.600 little answer, or a cow may answer somewhere in there, 0:18:53.600 --> 0:18:56.040 and if I'm ripping a bagle, I can't necessarily hear that, 0:18:56.520 --> 0:18:58.879 you know. Like some of those those ones in the 0:18:58.880 --> 0:19:00.760 Bob Marshall, for instance, they were very quick because I 0:19:00.800 --> 0:19:02.200 don't know if they've ever heard a bugle in their 0:19:02.240 --> 0:19:04.399 life or you know, or there's not a lot and 0:19:04.400 --> 0:19:06.840 they were answering like literally I would barely catch a 0:19:06.880 --> 0:19:10.080 tail end of their responses and what the heck was 0:19:10.119 --> 0:19:12.520 that again? You know? So you want to keep that 0:19:12.600 --> 0:19:16.000 bagle in my opinion two to three seconds and then listen. 0:19:17.000 --> 0:19:20.080 But but talk about what you were telling me with 0:19:20.240 --> 0:19:21.879 you and a buddy watch and elk and trying to 0:19:21.880 --> 0:19:25.080 get them to respond, which which story was that you 0:19:25.119 --> 0:19:27.520 were talking about. You guys were doing different types of bugles, 0:19:27.520 --> 0:19:29.480 and there's a certain sitch and there were certain types 0:19:29.520 --> 0:19:31.840 of bugles that would make them fire up and something 0:19:31.920 --> 0:19:35.560 he would ignore. Yeah, So we running areas. It's obvious 0:19:36.000 --> 0:19:37.840 is we're running these ridgelines, Like there's elk here. You 0:19:37.880 --> 0:19:39.760 can see fresh tracks, you could smell, and they smell 0:19:39.840 --> 0:19:42.159 like a one of those big black markers. You know 0:19:42.200 --> 0:19:44.960