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Speaker 1: severely fog bitten in my case, underwear listening podcast. You

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Speaker 1: can't predict anything. That's nice, thank you. Uh what do

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Speaker 1: you find like? You know a lot of bulls have

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Speaker 1: too fast. But I was in the Bob Marshall in

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Speaker 1: never believed that if he didn't answer me like five,

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Speaker 1: like what, Then you give me an example. I almost

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Speaker 1: can and then this could just do it without a call,

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Speaker 1: but just do it, or come as close as you

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Speaker 1: And then on that same day we walked a half

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Speaker 1: and it did it twice like a heehaw the type sound.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, this is I felt like I was

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Speaker 1: But we called them both into twenty five yards and like,

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Speaker 1: you know, they were elk? Can they bagle that way?

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Speaker 1: The whole way in just crazy when you're out, you know.

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Speaker 1: That's kind of what I guess I'm getting at is

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Speaker 1: like we talked about this bunch of this spring when

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Speaker 1: we were all hot on talking about turkeys. Is you know,

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Speaker 1: you work so hard to get like high level turkey calm,

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Speaker 1: like which I'm not great at. But then when you're

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Speaker 1: like twenty seven times in a row. Oh, I thought

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Speaker 1: he gets going and he hits sixty. Right, if you're

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Speaker 1: looking at like, what in the world are you doing

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Speaker 1: so in the bugle and thing like when you're ripping

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Speaker 1: clean really like quintessential escalating topped out pitch bugle, like

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Speaker 1: the perfect bugle sold you rip crazy bugles too. So

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Speaker 1: when I'm locating, So that's just my standard. Walking down

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Speaker 1: same every time, you know, call me boring vanilla ice cream.

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Speaker 1: Just I'm gonna get the high note. I'm gonna get

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Speaker 1: high note. I'm gona get the high note. But once

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Speaker 1: And that's where I think becoming a good caller may help,

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Speaker 1: is I try to mimic that bowl exactly. If he

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Speaker 1: but most of your bowls that I would say within

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Speaker 1: caller perspective, No, I would love I would much rather

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Speaker 1: But if I had to leave my locator bugle, if

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Speaker 1: I don't want to necessarily leave that location bugle at

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Speaker 1: And sometimes with elk you really have to be hammering

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Speaker 1: I'm up here on this ridgeline and I'm just looking

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Speaker 1: I'm up here, I'm and he'll answer him down here

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Speaker 1: you know, you didn't know I wasn't real ELX. And

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Speaker 1: not trying to threaten him, scare him anything. At that point,

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Speaker 1: And that raises a couple other questions, Uh, real quick,

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Speaker 1: it's just that bowl that's kind of hanging close to

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Speaker 1: you know, it could be a single cow, two cows

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Speaker 1: One big boss bull is kind of running the show, yea,

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Speaker 1: or like the you know there's like a lead cow running.

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Speaker 1: There's a lead cow who's saying like we're going here,

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Speaker 1: But then these satellite bulls are you're, you know, subordinate,

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Speaker 1: what happens throughout the day and throughout September, these satellite

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Speaker 1: as all these other bulls are slipping in and breathing

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Speaker 1: he's basically allowing it to happen by running other bulls

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Speaker 1: like us, you got his worst enemy and he'll spend

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Speaker 1: more time to let those other bulls get so much

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Speaker 1: these other ones slip in. It's just I don't know

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Speaker 1: are like they're like fighters and that lovers. What So,

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Speaker 1: what do you think about this? Like, if you're out locating,

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Speaker 1: can you i, you know, presume you'd like to be

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Speaker 1: think of how to ask this. A bull doesn't go

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Speaker 1: up high. A real bull doesn't go up high and

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Speaker 1: rip out vehicles just to see who's out on the landscape. Right,

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Speaker 1: to beat your ass? You know, Like what is he

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Speaker 1: communicating when he's bugling? So well, we're trying to mimic,

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Speaker 1: in my opinion, with that ridge running you know or

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Speaker 1: can really use you know, the terraindeer advantage. Satellite bowls

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Speaker 1: will do that especially those somewhat mature satellite bowls or

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Speaker 1: the they will run ridges looking for those cows. And

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Speaker 1: so when we have the chance to hunt, what are

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Speaker 1: they doing? What are they bugling for? They're just trying

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Speaker 1: to locate cows in the real world, US removed that

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Speaker 1: makes you kind of want to plug your ears during

424
00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:46,000
Speaker 1: that bighgle because it's just that resonance, is that one

425
00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:48,320
Speaker 1: that drones in your ears? And we get an instant

426
00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:51,399
Speaker 1: response like all right, let's let's do this scientifically. We

427
00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:53,000
Speaker 1: need to switch up. So next time I'm gonna go

428
00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:56,679
Speaker 1: just hit a mundane mid note, just boring, and then

429
00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:58,240
Speaker 1: you'll hit the high note just to make sure it's

430
00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:01,679
Speaker 1: not volume or something else that would one and sure enough, uh,

431
00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:04,040
Speaker 1: I wouldn't get a response on a mid note vehicle.

432
00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,440
Speaker 1: He hit the high note and bam, just the instant response.

433
00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:10,240
Speaker 1: And and it's I think there's very very good data

434
00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:11,680
Speaker 1: just from our own selves. And when you hear a

435
00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:13,320
Speaker 1: lot of hunters like yeah, until I can get that

436
00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:15,800
Speaker 1: high note, we just don't get responses. It's just something

437
00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:17,840
Speaker 1: about it that makes them pay attention to you. Maybe

438
00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:20,159
Speaker 1: it it penetrates better, you know, through the through the

439
00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:23,600
Speaker 1: thick brush, it it travels better. Something is better about

440
00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:25,800
Speaker 1: it that that gets him. Maybe it's just internally, like

441
00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:27,560
Speaker 1: they hear that note and like I am gonna answer

442
00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:29,760
Speaker 1: that one. Yeah, because that that's the funny thing about

443
00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:33,960
Speaker 1: Like you'll never know what kind of tripped around. You'll

444
00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,119
Speaker 1: never know, like like when they hear it, what are

445
00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:38,879
Speaker 1: they hearing? I've renched this for while. I saw a

446
00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:40,760
Speaker 1: new friend of mine who's done a lot of research

447
00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:45,920
Speaker 1: on turkeys. Right, he's talking about the iridescence of birds,

448
00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:49,879
Speaker 1: you know, and he he believes that when a bird

449
00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:53,479
Speaker 1: looks at a bird, it sees something very different then

450
00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:56,240
Speaker 1: when you look at a bird, you know what I mean. Yeah,

451
00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:59,159
Speaker 1: it's like you can't compare your impression of what a

452
00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:01,159
Speaker 1: turkey looks like walking through the woods to what it

453
00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:05,080
Speaker 1: might look like a turkey with his vision, what's in

454
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:08,080
Speaker 1: his mind, the iridescence of the feathers, the way he

455
00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,720
Speaker 1: picks up that color, and it's like it's just two

456
00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:13,720
Speaker 1: different worlds. You know. Little things can sort of give

457
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:15,399
Speaker 1: you a glimpse into it, but you just don't know

458
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:17,240
Speaker 1: what kind of trip the around, how they're you don't

459
00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:21,760
Speaker 1: know how they're like analyzing or processing. Yeah, the information around,

460
00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:25,560
Speaker 1: and there's a there's a I kind of cater more

461
00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:27,520
Speaker 1: to the temperament of the elk in my calling style.

462
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,080
Speaker 1: I kind of let the I react to them. Um

463
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,480
Speaker 1: there there are quite a few guys out there that have,

464
00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:36,040
Speaker 1: you know, kind of broken down elk language or maybe

465
00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:38,879
Speaker 1: what some of this stuff means, and they're successful, so

466
00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,479
Speaker 1: I'm not necessarily going to argue with them. But I

467
00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:43,280
Speaker 1: was kind of a nerd at this stuff when I

468
00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,920
Speaker 1: was growing up, you know, eighteen, I spent way more

469
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:50,000
Speaker 1: time than a single person should ever spend just watching elk.

470
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:53,160
Speaker 1: You know, from mid September to mid October, back when

471
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,280
Speaker 1: I was a rifle slash mostlotor henter, I just want

472
00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:56,760
Speaker 1: to know everyth about him. Why are they doing this?

473
00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,200
Speaker 1: And I would just watch bowls day in and day out,

474
00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,320
Speaker 1: and you know, some of these sounds that they say

475
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,200
Speaker 1: mean this, I'm like, but I've seen them do complete opposites.

476
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:06,600
Speaker 1: You know, when when he chuckles, that means that he's

477
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:08,400
Speaker 1: trying to round the cows up to take him somewhere else,

478
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:10,359
Speaker 1: Like well, I've seen a satellite bull come down the

479
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 1: ridge and he went and chuckled at him. Like so

480
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 1: some of these things like it. Maybe it may be,

481
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,439
Speaker 1: but it could just be his temperament, It could be

482
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 1: the way he communicates. It could be. Um, so why,

483
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,720
Speaker 1: Like I said, they these guys have been successful, But

484
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:26,200
Speaker 1: I don't know if I necessarily it's that this sound

485
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,720
Speaker 1: means this, or this sound means you should do this.

486
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 1: Um It's tough and I don't know if we'll ever

487
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 1: figure it out. Can you do? I want you to

488
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 1: make a the bark a warning bark? But then I

489
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,920
Speaker 1: also want to ask you, like in terms of people

490
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,920
Speaker 1: are like, oh, so chuckling, is this chuckling means I'm

491
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 1: sending my calls? But he's like, well, I saw a

492
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 1: bowl chuckle at another bowl. So maybe that's not what

493
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,879
Speaker 1: chuckling means. So do a warning call. But also tell me,

494
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 1: have you ever seen a warning bark used for some

495
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:04,120
Speaker 1: thing besides saying, hey there's a kyoh, hey there's a dude. Hey,

496
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 1: I smelled something funny. Do you want me to bugle first?

497
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 1: Whatever do you want? Man? I hate that noise. I

498
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,639
Speaker 1: hate that noise when you make it. That's why in

499
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 1: the seminars, I'm like, besides the wolf hound, and that's

500
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 1: about the second least favorite sound I'd like to hear

501
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 1: in my own in the spot with what was being first.

502
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:30,880
Speaker 1: But so that that sound, I probably I'm more confident

503
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,680
Speaker 1: in what that means. Uh. They typically when they smell you,

504
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 1: they're gone that you don't even get the warning. But

505
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 1: but it's one of these they've seen something they don't like,

506
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,440
Speaker 1: or they've heard something they don't like. Um, you know,

507
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:42,680
Speaker 1: if we're tromping around through the woods and we're cracking sticks,

508
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:44,480
Speaker 1: all of a sudden you think you're an elkin, you know,

509
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 1: you get hammered with an alarm bark. I think it's

510
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:50,439
Speaker 1: one of those sounds that and I'm fairly confident in

511
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 1: this that they want you to show yourself at that point,

512
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,280
Speaker 1: like we've seen or heard something that doesn't make a

513
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,359
Speaker 1: lot of sense. We're a little bit worried about it.

514
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,440
Speaker 1: Come show yourself. And I think that's why in response

515
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 1: to that alarm bark, I alarmed bark back, like why

516
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 1: heard you? I heard you or I seen you. You

517
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 1: Come show yourself. And a lot of times you can

518
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 1: at least prolonged, prolong her running away or him running away,

519
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,199
Speaker 1: alarm bark in the rest of the canyon, letting everything know, hey,

520
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,880
Speaker 1: there's something weird going on over here. But sometimes we've

521
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 1: been able to alarm bark and have like the cow

522
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 1: come around the tree, you know, some stuff that could

523
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 1: have potentially saved that if it was a bowler and

524
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,880
Speaker 1: elk I wanted to kill. Do you remember you think

525
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:31,639
Speaker 1: it can kind of almost confuse them because she is.

526
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 1: I feel like most times it's cows. I've heard a

527
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 1: couple most like they're they're saying one thing, and then

528
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:39,679
Speaker 1: when you bark back at them, they're kind of like,

529
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 1: oh what, but I wasn't expecting that. Oh there's an

530
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 1: elk bark and it kind of just like I've seen

531
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,399
Speaker 1: him not really relax but like you're saying instead of

532
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,880
Speaker 1: just like getting the hell out of dodge barking, they

533
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,679
Speaker 1: sort of just like end up just filtering slowly away

534
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 1: and you maybe haven't blown your cover. Yeah, definitely confused

535
00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:00,119
Speaker 1: white Tails and confused Antelope by doing their bark back

536
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 1: at them, you know, and then they're kind of, yeah,

537
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,400
Speaker 1: they linger more. Yeah, they just kind of hang out.

538
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,119
Speaker 1: It's not necessarily you didn't save the whole situation, but

539
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 1: it gives you a chance. But you know what, you

540
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:13,680
Speaker 1: remember those remember the bite and blow, like the premost

541
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,119
Speaker 1: biting and blow that everyone in the world had, like

542
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 1: in the mid nineties. I think that that was like

543
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 1: enough people had it and it made it just such

544
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,439
Speaker 1: a consistent sound every time I'm not joking when I

545
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 1: say this, we would blow that and Coles would respond

546
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 1: with an alarm bark. Yeah, they're like that means one thing.

547
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,919
Speaker 1: That means there's some dudes. There's some dudes in the

548
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 1: woods Man And that was like that was having that

549
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,119
Speaker 1: experience a couple of times of like get all set up,

550
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:51,919
Speaker 1: everything's perfect, winds perfect called bulling, and hit that you

551
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 1: know on that bit and blow then be answered by dude.

552
00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:00,159
Speaker 1: It set us back, I say before you try men

553
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,199
Speaker 1: on this that Like I had that call, I might

554
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: might even be in that tough where over there, and

555
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 1: I could just never master it. I could never get

556
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 1: it good. It was just like it was too finicky,

557
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 1: you know. It was kind of like you never could

558
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: like these external reason you make now, I mean you can,

559
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 1: like you gotta be good to use them. I think

560
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 1: people like that because you could be a shitty caller

561
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,439
Speaker 1: and kind of making noise, but every every shitty caller

562
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 1: was making the same shitty noise and that same thing

563
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 1: and necessarily wasn't making a good noise. Yeah, and that's

564
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,360
Speaker 1: that's like my dad he can't he still can't use

565
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 1: my easy estress, you know, everybody else in the world can.

566
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 1: But he could use the bite and blow. So, like

567
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,360
Speaker 1: Steve said, you throw him one of those. I gotta

568
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 1: use bit and blow on it. You're you're good. Bit

569
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,680
Speaker 1: and blows are like crossbows. Right. It's like some dudes

570
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:42,879
Speaker 1: be like, man, I don't really have time to figure

571
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:44,719
Speaker 1: all this ship out, right, I'm just gonna get one

572
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 1: of the holes and go hack it out. Yeah. I

573
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 1: ran around with the I think it was the Loman

574
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 1: version of the Little Green barreled one the bite and

575
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 1: blow and that that's what I used growing up rifle hunting,

576
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: just to stop one or but yeah, you could not

577
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 1: change what you sounded like. You sounded like everybody else

578
00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 1: I had one, Yeah, and they just tune in, especially

579
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:03,120
Speaker 1: if you're not pressure area. But that's pretty interesting man,

580
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 1: that you've I would never in a million years thought

581
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 1: to hit him back with the warning bark. Yeah, do

582
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 1: you guys call it a bark in your in your

583
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 1: alarm bark? And we've we've had enough experiences where we tried, like,

584
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: let's just mut at him, and that seems to never

585
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 1: work as good as alarm bark. So we've we've experimented,

586
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 1: like what if we call back to them, maybe they

587
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 1: just want to hear that there's an elk. It was

588
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 1: an elk that made the sound. So if I make

589
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 1: a good enough elk sound, though, but it doesn't settle

590
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: them down as much as the alarm bark. A pretty

591
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 1: committed to the idea that something's amiss man. A funny

592
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 1: thing about elk too, I'd be curious to get your

593
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 1: perspective on this is it seems like like if you

594
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: picture a group of white tails, I feel that the

595
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 1: hierarchy in a group of white tails isn't as I'm

596
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 1: talking to females, so does like white tailed, does I

597
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 1: feel like the hierarchy isn't as rigid is it is

598
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 1: with elk. There's more fluidity with the groups because the

599
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 1: thing that I found with elk watch milk, is there

600
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:00,959
Speaker 1: some elk that you an alert. Like let's say you're

601
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: putting a sneak in on a group and there's some

602
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: elk that they pick up something's not right, but no

603
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 1: one cares that they think something's not right. You're spot

604
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 1: and they got their head up. They're like, bro, I

605
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 1: saw something, man, I know, I saw something. And the

606
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 1: other alsteral feeding there's some elk they lift their head

607
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 1: up and everyone's head comes up exactly and they're like,

608
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: something's amiss because old Bessie. Old Bessie ain't happy. When

609
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 1: she ain't happy, nobody's happy. Right now, you're you're exactly

610
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 1: spot on them. We've got hundreds, if not thousands, of

611
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 1: you know, a caffre yearling can pick their head up, no,

612
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 1: something's not right. She can run to the front of

613
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 1: the herd and nothing cares. But if you get one

614
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: of those more adult cows. She'll run up, bump that

615
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 1: that lead cow and it's all over. Or if the

616
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: lead cause easy, you know, you don't have a chop.

617
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: But sometimes these younger cows may not have as much influence.

618
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is, but yeah, caple, pick

619
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: you up. She'll run circles in the herd, try to

620
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 1: get him all and nobody, you know, none of the

621
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: other cows care. Nothing, nothing happens. I think, yeah, I've

622
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 1: met this before on the show. But these researchers are

623
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 1: doing a thing with monkeys. One time where they destroyed

624
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: a monkey's credibility in his troop by recording his warning

625
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: cry and playing it all the time, and after a

626
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 1: while when he would do his legit mourning cry, no

627
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 1: one would pay attention because they gave him the reputation

628
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 1: of the boy who cries wolf. And these things had

629
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: a pretty elaborate language where they would have a warning

630
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 1: cry for something on the ground and a warning cry

631
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 1: for something in the air because there was like some guy,

632
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 1: can'member what it was, or some one of their primary predators.

633
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 1: Their leopards were a primary predator, and there's some just

634
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: big avian predator and they would have that noise, and

635
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: they could make it that people lost their faith where

636
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 1: his troop lost their faith in him. I don't think

637
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 1: that probably happens without but they haven't earned it yet,

638
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 1: or they're like jumpy. Maybe they have a reputation for

639
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 1: being jumping. Yeah. That well, Bessie, she's always she's just

640
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: a crazy one. She she didn't see anything again, because

641
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 1: there's nothing that feels better when you're putting the move

642
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 1: on something. Well, what feels better is not spooking one.

643
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 1: But if you're putting the move on something and he

644
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 1: pegs you and you freeze, and also it goes back

645
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 1: to feeding and you're like, oh man, yeah, back in

646
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 1: the game. But they're still in their head. They're still

647
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:21,719
Speaker 1: like acutely aware, right, there's still nervous. But you like

648
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: bought a minute. You bought a kind of a second chance.

649
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: You know. That lead cow, though there's there's no I

650
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: wish there was a way that you could like tie

651
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: a big pink ribbon around the lead cow and then

652
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: she could never be killed because I around home, there's

653
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 1: been some bad Like the whole herd just loses their

654
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: sense of who they are, where they're safe and like

655
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 1: you see like some of our cow seasons where that

656
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 1: lead cow get shot, that entire herd is in trouble

657
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 1: um from groups of hunters because they just they forget

658
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 1: how to be safe whatever the second. And so that's

659
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 1: like my conservation, Like I wish there was a way

660
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: we could tie like a pink ribbon around all the

661
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: herd cows or the you know, the lead cow's neck

662
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: and she can't never be shot because she she controls

663
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 1: so much of their safety. Um. That's there's cows out

664
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 1: there that have eight twenty years worth of experience. They've

665
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: been through the season that many times, have been through

666
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 1: winter that many times. You wouldn't think though, because there's

667
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 1: gotta be you know, if she's there, then with her

668
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: offspring and the rest of her there's got to be

669
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: the next class. Right that's sixteen years old. You would think, yeah,

670
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: I mean in that age bracket. But it's it's funny.

671
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: We've we've seen it enough around home. We I live

672
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: in a very small community with a very you know,

673
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: small tree farm in my backyard the warehouse or south

674
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 1: there in p l And you know, like in those

675
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: muzzle orders or some of the late archery seasons when

676
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 1: that heard that lead cow gets shot, it's it's a mess,

677
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 1: like and then you just hear like six or seven

678
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 1: or eight cows that get taken out of that herd

679
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: just because it's even though there maybe you know, maybe

680
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: a cow or the same age, older, younger, you know,

681
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 1: I don't know how they got pecking orders determined, but

682
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 1: it's just like, dang, that new one wasn't very good,

683
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: you know, the second or third one wasn't very good

684
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,239
Speaker 1: at keeping them safe. Yeah, or hadn't hadn't done it yet,

685
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: and the other ones haven't paid attention. Do you when

686
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: you're hunting, are you kind of watching? Do you find

687
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 1: yourself watching to try to see who the lead cow is?

688
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 1: When you're trying to work a group of elx? Got

689
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: a bull in it? A little bit like more from Afar.

690
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 1: When we're in the timber and stuff getting in close,

691
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: we eat, and it's tough. It's tough to figure out

692
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: which one is because they're kind of spread out mingling.

693
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 1: Um yeah, you know, yeah, until they're in action or moving.

694
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: But if we if we spot one across the canyon,

695
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: we're definitely paying attention. Like how much control does she

696
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 1: have is she just kinda is she's setting the pace?

697
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 1: How long till they get into the patch of timber

698
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: where they're gonna bed, so we'll pay attention to her?

699
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 1: Or is she more just slowly grazing you know a

700
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: little bit but not a lot to what that lead

701
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 1: cow is doing. Once you're up, and let's let's just

702
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 1: walk through and say, like, you're up, you're doing your

703
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: locating and lo and behold not terribly far off, but

704
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 1: still far off. You get a reply, what's the next

705
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 1: piece of information? Aation you want to know? Or like

706
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 1: what's the next thing you do? Um? You know, real quick,

707
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: I'll look at maybe on X maps maybe if I

708
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: can't see exactly where that came from, Like is there

709
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: a bench down there? What's what's going on? Train wise?

710
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: What time of day is it? It is my my

711
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: thermal switched for good? And I if I if it

712
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 1: takes me an hour to get down there, and that's

713
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 1: when the sun is gonna hit the canyon? Am I

714
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: gonna get caught in this wind? You know this wind swirl?

715
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 1: And then where are they going? Is it? If it's

716
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 1: right at daybreak, they're probably gonna feed, you know, typically

717
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 1: for a little bit and then head to bed. So

718
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out, all, right, there there may

719
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 1: be heading this direction. I've got this much time to

720
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 1: get there. But first of all, I want to make

721
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 1: sure I don't get the wind screwed up. Um? What

722
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:39,359
Speaker 1: am I gonna have to do to get the wind? Right?

723
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 1: You have to scoop under them? Do I need to

724
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 1: run down this ridge and the yards go down a

725
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 1: finger and then get under them? Um? Should I just

726
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 1: sit down and wait for an hour for the wind

727
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 1: to fully switch and then go straight down on them?

728
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,359
Speaker 1: You know? It's some of this stuff all kind of

729
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:55,359
Speaker 1: time of day. Um, But typically I'm bailing off on

730
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: every elk I hear. I don't say, Oh, that one

731
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 1: sounds like it's not very big. I'm gonna just find

732
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: a bigger one. I'm gonnat least go check with my eyes,

733
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: um see what's down there. So we're pretty much diving

734
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 1: after every bugle. Um. If that's all I can hear.

735
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 1: If I can't see, let me give you. Let me

736
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 1: give you a a couple of like competing scenarios. Let's do

737
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 1: the first. The first scenario will be like the one

738
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:14,800
Speaker 1: that I like, the one that I would like least

739
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: it's ten in the morning's hot. You rip a bugle

740
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 1: and then from the nastiest patch of black match stick timber.

741
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: Seems like it's right in the middle of the nastiest

742
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: patch of black timber. Are you like, man, I'm just

743
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 1: gonna wait or do you think I'm gonna go in

744
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 1: there and try to work that bowl? How can I

745
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 1: get close to the black timber without making a whole

746
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: bunch of noise? All right, I'm gonna go down to

747
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:48,240
Speaker 1: the north. It's it's like a north face and slope

748
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,320
Speaker 1: and there's a patch of black timber and narratives I

749
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 1: don't know, you know, hundreds of yards tall, hundreds of

750
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 1: yards wide. I'm gonna go down and sit on the edge.

751
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 1: I love killing elk between ten or two and that

752
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: bowl bigles out of his bed somewhere around noon one

753
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 1: or two. It's they're very Let me, let me preface

754
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,720
Speaker 1: us with if you're trying to kill that big herd bowl,

755
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: so he's trying to kill you, don't give it this

756
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 1: whole conversation. You don't really just just any bowl. I

757
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 1: would still go down there and sit on the edge

758
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:16,320
Speaker 1: of that herd wait for him to get up. He

759
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: will typically sometime in the middle of that betting session,

760
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:20,840
Speaker 1: get up and check on all of his cows. So

761
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:22,959
Speaker 1: if I can get up, you know, get as close

762
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: as possible to them without spooking him. If it's a

763
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 1: jack strawed blowdown mess, I might just say I need

764
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:29,720
Speaker 1: him to come back out of there. I'm not gonna

765
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 1: make it in, but if I can get somewhat close

766
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: I mean in the timber. Yeah, if I can get

767
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: close to that edge or where it's, you know, without

768
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,320
Speaker 1: being a complete mess and making all kinds of noise

769
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 1: and let him know him there, I'll go down there

770
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 1: sneak in. If I can keep the wind rights, yeah, yeah,

771
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:46,839
Speaker 1: you know, ideally as close as possible. If I get

772
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 1: the hundred yards, great, But if I can get two

773
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: hundred fifty and be comfortable there, I'm just gonna go

774
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: sit down and wait. So let's say, okay, so you

775
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,879
Speaker 1: creep down and you gotta uphill wind. There's nice elk

776
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 1: trails cutting all through the timber. You start creeping down

777
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: in there and precing you just smell him. And it's

778
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 1: not the smell of yesterday's elk. It's not elk piss.

779
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 1: It's you smell elk, like living breathing there now elk,

780
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 1: And you're like, it's got to be that he's a

781
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty yards away. What are you thinking? Then?

782
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 1: Can I Can I go any further? How much further?

783
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,720
Speaker 1: It just depends so well, there's a lot of times

784
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: where we've spotted the cows before they spotted us. You're

785
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: we used to live by an old saying, we have

786
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:29,359
Speaker 1: so much anymore. But if you're not bumping ilk, you're

787
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 1: not honeyolk. But you don't necessarily want to bump every

788
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: elk you're trying. So it's it's not a good saying

789
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: by any means, but we want to ideally, I want

790
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: to be within a hundred yards that way, as soon

791
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: as he ripped a bugle out of his bed, I

792
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 1: can I can walk on top of him. He haven't

793
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 1: made any noise in a perfect world. You you ripped

794
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: a bugle, he located, You're like, I got you pegged.

795
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 1: I don't want to make it another sound. And while

796
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 1: you're a hundred yards away from the first cow, he's

797
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 1: in there somewhere. You don't know where he is. We

798
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,359
Speaker 1: can see a cow's ears sticking up. You still haven't

799
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: made a noise. I in my opinion, if you try

800
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:08,320
Speaker 1: to make elk calls in between them, especially if you're bugling,

801
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:09,919
Speaker 1: you can maybe make a cow cal and get away

802
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: with it. But if you're trying to bugle to him,

803
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 1: your basicuit in now and saying, hey, I'm a big

804
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:15,720
Speaker 1: bull that's gonna come down. He'll round up his cows

805
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: and it's that cat and mouse game from then on.

806
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 1: And I've did it so many times where I don't

807
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,359
Speaker 1: think he wants the risk of a bull coming down

808
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 1: in on him. So does he has what he wants? Yeah? Yeah,

809
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,399
Speaker 1: I mean he's trying to you know, procreate and live

810
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: and that's his to uh, you know in September, that's

811
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 1: all that bull wants to do. So I don't want to,

812
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 1: you know, alert him of me coming down, he answered

813
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 1: my my locator. I was far enough away it didn't

814
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 1: mean anything to him. He doesn't know I'm coming in. Um.

815
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: And then I'm just gonna sit and weight from the

816
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 1: bugle out of his bed. He's gonna come check his cows.

817
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 1: He does not like satellite bowls to bed anywhere close

818
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: to him. So if I were you a bugle at

819
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: that hundred or hundred and twenty five yard mark. Um,

820
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:52,399
Speaker 1: he's gonna come. He usually comes and checks you out.

821
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: He does not want you that close to his bedded

822
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: cows because he can't necessarily see them all at the

823
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:58,919
Speaker 1: same time. So he's kind of just trusting that there's

824
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 1: you know, he's getting up checking them. Yeah, because they

825
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: kind of filter into those bedding areas and everybody takes yeah,

826
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 1: like you know, if they're in a line or in

827
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 1: a little ball going into a bedding area, they don't

828
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 1: like march and single file, then all line up in there,

829
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,280
Speaker 1: ye there, you know, Then they mingle around, and time

830
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 1: goes by, and they lay down and get up and

831
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 1: lay down and move around, and by you know, pretty

832
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 1: soon they're just occupying a wide area. You can wind

833
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 1: up down, you can sneak down and realize you want

834
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: up in the center of them. Yeah, you can. They

835
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 1: can bed eight d yard you know, in a eight

836
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 1: hundred yards circle and just be scattered everywhere. And and

837
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 1: you'll notice how when you're just walking through the timber

838
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 1: and you're like, yeah, they betted here last night or

839
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: two nights ago. And by time you're done walking up

840
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: the hill, you're like they're still bedding. You know, this

841
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:41,879
Speaker 1: is that probably the same group. They just they were

842
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 1: just spread all out because they were, you know, pissing

843
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: the beds. Um like, yeah they were here last night,

844
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 1: but yet they were from down there to up here

845
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 1: there hundred fifty yards scattered up here. So you so

846
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 1: you've gotten where you snuck down And like I was saying,

847
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: like you can see some cow years or whatever your

848
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 1: hundred yards away. I can't get me closer because if

849
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,439
Speaker 1: you getting closer, you're gonna you know, you're gonna bump one.

850
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 1: You're then gonna say you're saying, then you're gonna do

851
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 1: another bugle. Only after he does, I'm gonna let him

852
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 1: him lead the game. If you gotta wait, Yeah, it's

853
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: it's very tough. I'm not a very patient hunter, especially

854
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:14,439
Speaker 1: if I got to sit there for two or three

855
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 1: hours and i'm you know, if I've seen the ears,

856
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 1: I know I'm on the oak, which you could probably

857
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 1: get away with the bagle at that point, just because

858
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 1: he's gonna most likely want to come check you out.

859
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 1: But in that scenario, I like to let him lead

860
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 1: the game off and then I want to walk right

861
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 1: on top of him. You know or bagle is close

862
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 1: to right on top of his bigle is possible. I've

863
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,879
Speaker 1: only killed one bowl with the bow, and the one

864
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: bowl I killed with the bow, I did just that.

865
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 1: Found a bett at Kyle. She's forty yards away, and

866
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 1: I sat there and waited, and eventually the bowl just

867
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 1: doing his deal, came over and I shot him standing

868
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,760
Speaker 1: above that cow. Yeah, like basically came up to stand

869
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 1: above her, just as he's doing his little thing, you know. Comes.

870
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 1: I have a I have a video well at some

871
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 1: screenshots off of you last year when we were in

872
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,240
Speaker 1: Montana on the on the Land of the Free series

873
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: with Born and Rais and those guys, um I spotted

874
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 1: it was a nasty day. We were walking through some

875
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 1: black timber, just get to the edge of it and

876
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, there's a cow bedded. We sat there and

877
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,839
Speaker 1: frozen death for like fifteen minutes. But then sure enough,

878
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 1: the middle of the day that bowl you start to

879
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 1: see him working his way through, comes over to the

880
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 1: closest cow, bumps her out of her bed, noses her out,

881
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:23,800
Speaker 1: and then checks on her. And then that's when I

882
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 1: got my shot. Um. Yeah, but I think now I

883
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 1: got lucky. I think at fifteen minutes. I could have

884
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 1: been standing there for two hours. You know, I just

885
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 1: happened to maybe get lucky. That was his time to

886
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:36,479
Speaker 1: make his rounds and bump her out and check on her.

887
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: So let's say you do, how long would you sit

888
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: in this scenario we're talking about the black timber bedded cow, right,

889
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 1: how long did you sit before You're like, Okay, I'm

890
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 1: gonna try something. I'm gonna try a cow call. I'm

891
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,439
Speaker 1: gonna try something. It depends I would like to say

892
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 1: sitting here that I would I would be comfortable enough

893
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 1: until the cows get up and started feeding about. So,

894
00:41:57,920 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 1: you know, I just I can't believe that you, as

895
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: a dude who like lives and breathe game calls, you're

896
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: not just gonna run in there and start just at me.

897
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 1: So I have even though I love game calls, I

898
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 1: like killing Elk Moore, and so I kind of know,

899
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: I kind of know like when to call it, you know,

900
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: and just kind of let things play out. Um, that's

901
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 1: the same thing. You know. One of my best tactics

902
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: is instead of just calling them in, is more of

903
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 1: the ambush and call him in a little bit, you know.

904
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: So you can call it elkin from a mile or

905
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 1: I can go get in front of the elk going

906
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: across the mountain, wait for him, maybe call once or

907
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 1: twice and kill him. I'll take the ambush and call

908
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: all day long if that's what I need to do

909
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 1: to be effective, instead of saying, oh, yeah, I called

910
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 1: this bull from a mile away, like I'm not. I

911
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 1: don't need any awards for I just want to kill

912
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: that thing. Okay, so you're so. So you sit there

913
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 1: and two hours goes by and eventually he bugles, Then

914
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 1: what do you do. I'm gonna bugle right back out

915
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 1: of yeah, And I'm trying to paint that picture that

916
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 1: you know, I'm really close to your cows. You're over

917
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 1: there somewhere I can't maybe see you. I'm closer to

918
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 1: your cow maybe than you are. You better come and

919
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 1: take care of me or try to run me off,

920
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 1: like you know, we talked a little bit earlier about

921
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 1: that satellite bowl and those bulls spending so much time

922
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 1: running them off. At this point, he doesn't have the

923
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: chance to round his cows up and run away from me.

924
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 1: He's got to come try to run me off at

925
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 1: this point, like it's you know it's came to head

926
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 1: at that point, and so you're trying to paint that picture.

927
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 1: I'm close to your cow, she's right here. I'm right here.

928
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: Come running me off. Okay he bugles you bugle, he

929
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: doesn't move. Maybe bugle again. This is where it gets tough.

930
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, sitting here doing a podcast like

931
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 1: well or the cows making noise? Canna hear sticks breaking?

932
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:40,879
Speaker 1: What's Yeah, there's a there's a bunch of this other

933
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 1: stuff that comes in, and you're like, all right, if

934
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:46,359
Speaker 1: i'd probably biggle again, maybe do some excited cow calling,

935
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: just kind of see how he responds to that. Did

936
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 1: that Perker's interest? Um? And and just kind of see

937
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: see what you need? You need to factor in a

938
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:57,879
Speaker 1: ton of things that I can't provide. Yeah, that's that's

939
00:43:57,880 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 1: where it gets tough. You're even doing these seminars and

940
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: do and all this stuff, like there are so many

941
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 1: there are so many things that come in. You know,

942
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 1: you teach us prescriptive thing, but you know, if there

943
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 1: was something that takes off up the hill after I

944
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 1: be a gold, then I'm like, you know, but that

945
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 1: cow doesn't what's going on here? Um? There's so many variables.

946
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: But I think the thing to note here though, is

947
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 1: that there's like the guys and I feel like it's

948
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 1: kind of become this is this and go off on

949
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 1: a kind of a tangent, but like you're the guy

950
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 1: that like it's gonna bugle first almost every single time, right,

951
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 1: But there's a lot of dudes, and I feel like

952
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 1: that's kind of changed in the last ten years. So

953
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 1: I feel like when I was guiding, like those guys

954
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 1: that didn't even carry bugle tubes and there it was

955
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 1: just kind of like, no, you have to call as

956
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: quietly and as little as possible, don't even bring the

957
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 1: bugle tube. And I almost had to like break out

958
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: of like and just be like, you know what, I

959
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:53,439
Speaker 1: want to just try. I know you guys are saying

960
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 1: this thing, but I just want to least go out

961
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 1: there and try and like I got good results, right,

962
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:00,359
Speaker 1: but like speak to a little bit about like why

963
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 1: start with you know, vehicle instead of why start with calcouling.

964
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 1: So as far as like yeah or any let me

965
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 1: let me hit him. Let's I want to bring it

966
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 1: out of him through the scenario. Okay, so let me

967
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 1: try one more scenari because I think that this is

968
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: gonna be a scenario where he's gonna where he's gonna

969
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: ca call. If not what us ask when do I calcohol?

970
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: But let me just hit you. In the our scenario,

971
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 1: it's pre morning darkness. You're on a ridge. You know

972
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 1: below us there's like a nice lush meadow that they've

973
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 1: been hitting, not even light out. You're like, you know,

974
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna see what's going on down there. You rip

975
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 1: a bugle and lo and behold. Sure enough you get

976
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 1: a reply, and because of your familiarity with the area,

977
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,760
Speaker 1: you're like, they're down in that metal. I was watching

978
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 1: him last night. Now what do you do? So? Are

979
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: you a cow calling it all today? I don't know

980
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:59,359
Speaker 1: right now. The winds, the winds probably blowing down to him,

981
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 1: so many of you try to get out of my

982
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 1: spot or get down the creek on the ridge line.

983
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 1: That's to be my first thing, all right. Make sure

984
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,839
Speaker 1: like you know, the winds washing washing down valley, Yeah,

985
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 1: washing down valley, down slopes. I'm gonna try to get

986
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: below him, and whether that means I gotta run down

987
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:15,320
Speaker 1: this ridge yards and then I'll be safe and angle

988
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: down in the creek and then come up on him.

989
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 1: Whatever I need to do. Um pre morning darkness, I

990
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 1: you know, almost light out. Yeah, so you're getting close enough.

991
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 1: I'm probably gonna try to get to the edge of

992
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:27,879
Speaker 1: that meadow, and I'm gonna be very careful. A lot

993
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: of guys set up And I did this multiple times,

994
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 1: and I kicked myself every time I do it, and

995
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: I will still do it to this day. I will

996
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 1: go set up on the tree that is on the

997
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 1: edge of the daing meadow, you know, if if they're

998
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 1: not in the meadow, and try to call him in

999
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:41,800
Speaker 1: there because I can, oh, I can see everything. Well,

1000
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,839
Speaker 1: there's that elk will or that bowl. When I'm trying

1001
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 1: to call it in, We'll try to get to the

1002
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:48,839
Speaker 1: edge and and we've talked about how nature works without

1003
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 1: us being involved. He'll expect that cow to run across

1004
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 1: the meadow because he should be able to see him,

1005
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 1: he should be able to see her. And you know,

1006
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 1: we're trying to trick this whole, you know, glitch the

1007
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 1: game a little bit. Uh. So I will get try

1008
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: to get wind right on that meadow, and then I

1009
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 1: will try to walk down the side of the meadow

1010
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 1: towards the direction he's at on that edge of the

1011
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 1: meadow and try to be in the timber a little

1012
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,280
Speaker 1: bit and get off the edge of that meadow and try,

1013
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 1: you know, however these angles work out, try not to

1014
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 1: call him through that meadow, if that makes any sense, Like,

1015
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 1: I want to keep him out of open space, because

1016
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 1: that gives him a train break or a vegetation break

1017
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 1: where he thinks you should be able to see me. Um.

1018
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 1: On that scenario, I may go in and open up

1019
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 1: with a few cal calls and just see how he

1020
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 1: responds um versus blow him out. If I can get

1021
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 1: in there, I still want to be close. I'm gonna

1022
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: maybe open up with a you know, a needy, whiny

1023
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 1: cow call. Here. So, and this is one thing we

1024
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 1: talked about music and just yeah your normal mew. A

1025
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 1: lot of times when I cut and people can say

1026
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 1: whether there's a such thing as an estra's buzz, I

1027
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 1: use these real whiney, drawn out up and down caw

1028
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 1: calls versus, Yeah, your estras wine is what I call,

1029
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 1: you know, his names for everything, but it's more of

1030
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:56,799
Speaker 1: an up and down wavy caw call. It's not your

1031
00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:06,439
Speaker 1: perfect cow call, but it's given us a good results. Oh,

1032
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 1: there's a little waiver in there, man. And so we've

1033
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 1: we've had seen cows do that um multiple times just

1034
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 1: watching him, and that bowl will typically always go check

1035
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 1: on her. It's just that whiny and we've called it

1036
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 1: here that little like yeah, yeah, there's a little bit

1037
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 1: of a flutter, and we've did that in burns. Were like,

1038
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 1: it's kind of cool calling in the burn because you

1039
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 1: can see that elk for so long coming in. But

1040
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 1: it was almost the more we did that, the faster

1041
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 1: he would run, the slower we would go, the more

1042
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: he would slow down. And we're like, all right, let's

1043
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 1: just stay on it again, and I'll do it on

1044
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 1: this is on the external. I I used this a

1045
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:53,359
Speaker 1: lot for this specific call. It's just that whiny and

1046
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:56,799
Speaker 1: then it really really over emphasized that nasally sound at

1047
00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 1: the end, and that call might that could be so seductive,

1048
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 1: so titling that he would uh be like, man, I know,

1049
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:10,879
Speaker 1: I got three four cows out here in my medal

1050
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 1: with me. If I'm gonna take a mozy over in

1051
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 1: the woods and see what exactly is up with this newcomer. Yeah,

1052
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:18,800
Speaker 1: because he's got a pretty good idea where his cows

1053
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 1: are at in there. But look, in this scenario, do

1054
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 1: we know there's cows there? No? Right, I I always

1055
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 1: go into everyone assuming that there's chatting. I just assume

1056
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 1: um that there's cows. So, but let's say that bowl,

1057
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 1: he's checked on his cows all that morning, he's been

1058
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:37,359
Speaker 1: with them all night. He knows about where they're at,

1059
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,760
Speaker 1: whether they've already come into the first extracycle, whether they're close.

1060
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 1: He's checking on them all if that for sure thing,

1061
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 1: And she sounds needy and needs some attention, he's maybe

1062
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 1: willing to go grab her. And I think that's when

1063
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 1: people say the cow call bulls, And that's kind of

1064
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:53,359
Speaker 1: what they're they're playing on, is that you sound needy

1065
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,359
Speaker 1: enough or you're you know, maybe something he should come

1066
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:57,359
Speaker 1: check out because he knows his other you know, six

1067
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 1: ladies aren't ready for any fund. So he's to come

1068
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:02,319
Speaker 1: and grab grab her. And so that's kind of why

1069
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 1: we we play that direction. Let me hear. This is

1070
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 1: just something that came to my mind, but it's not

1071
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:10,359
Speaker 1: really in order of what we're talking about. Have you

1072
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: found a good rule of thumb or anything helpful to

1073
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 1: explain to people how to tell how far away a

1074
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 1: bugle is. I remember we started hunting bugling out. We

1075
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 1: would oftentimes I think they were much farther away than

1076
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:35,280
Speaker 1: they were, and in going even to get into the zone,

1077
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 1: wind up stumbling right through the elk thinking that they

1078
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:42,919
Speaker 1: had to have been farther away. This is particularly down

1079
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 1: like big valley bottoms, you know, not where you're like

1080
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 1: on one slope looking at the other slope, but where

1081
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 1: there's an expanse of there's an expanse of like flat country,

1082
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:55,799
Speaker 1: timbered flat country or whatever, and you hear a thing.

1083
00:50:56,520 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 1: Our early thing was that it's much farther away than

1084
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 1: it actually is. Is that something that is only learned

1085
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 1: through experience or do you have a way to explain

1086
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:08,839
Speaker 1: to people how to tell where a bugle's coming from.

1087
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 1: I don't even know if experience helps yet. I I

1088
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 1: just until sixteen in New Mexico, so I'll kind of start.

1089
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 1: I grew up hunting coastal jungle of southwest Washing and

1090
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 1: that's all I knew. Coastal rainforest. Yeah, so you have

1091
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:23,799
Speaker 1: you are choked full dents um and and and in

1092
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 1: that scenario, that's kind of where I learned how far

1093
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,840
Speaker 1: elk were. Um. They were typically closer than than you

1094
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 1: thought in that scenario. Um, so we kind of got

1095
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 1: good at judging that until that elk turns one eighty.

1096
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 1: If he bagles at you, and if he turns degrees

1097
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 1: and beagles back in, his cows are up the hill

1098
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 1: the other way. I don't care how good you are.

1099
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 1: You you he sounds like he's double the distance or

1100
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 1: half the distance. Yeah, you think there's two bulls sometimes yeah,

1101
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: And I'm like, so that is always going after you

1102
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:52,919
Speaker 1: and back to the turkey thing. A lot of elk

1103
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 1: bowls that we call in, especially when you're trying to

1104
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:57,320
Speaker 1: pull them from their cows, they do that strut zone.

1105
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 1: They come towards you a hundred yard to the bugle

1106
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 1: and they will go back and then you may do

1107
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 1: may get him to pull back again, but they will

1108
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 1: never get past that point. And so you've got this

1109
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 1: basically elk on a track that's running a hundred yards,

1110
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:11,279
Speaker 1: and so you're trying to judge, you know, whether he's

1111
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 1: facing you, whether there's a hundred yards away. And then

1112
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 1: in two thousand and sixteen, my eyes really got opened up.

1113
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 1: I went down to New Mexico and uh Roali juniper

1114
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:24,359
Speaker 1: country and being a seasoned elk hunter. I thought, oh yeah,

1115
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 1: this elks right around the corner. And we chased bugles

1116
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 1: for miles. You could hear a bugle for two miles

1117
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 1: away playing is day and I got we got our

1118
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 1: butts kicked. I mean I would say butts kicked from

1119
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:37,479
Speaker 1: a standpoint that we went a lot further on every

1120
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 1: bugle we heard versus like dang, this thing should be

1121
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 1: a half mile away. Noticed things two miles away. Just

1122
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 1: the vegetation, yeah, just the vegetation quality the air, to

1123
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 1: the moisture in the air, yeah, if you know. Of course,

1124
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 1: elevation always helps with that. Things just sitting up on

1125
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 1: a point high enough where he can project down that valley. Um.

1126
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 1: We there were a couple of times and we looked

1127
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 1: at on GPS like we could be at this water

1128
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:00,360
Speaker 1: tank and we got we we heard this a bigle

1129
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:01,840
Speaker 1: went up there, called him in and he was a

1130
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:03,799
Speaker 1: mile and a half away on the GPS. You know,

1131
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 1: it's just crazy. Janice is much better than me at

1132
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 1: telling where a gobble or a bugle's coming from. I

1133
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 1: don't know if it's like a quality of ear thing right,

1134
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:20,360
Speaker 1: Like I've been exposed a lot of like the noise,

1135
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 1: but he just is more like I would trust his

1136
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 1: opinion about was where it was better than my opinion

1137
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 1: about where it was. We we've been walking down a

1138
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 1: trail and get a bagle, you know, with maybe two

1139
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:32,440
Speaker 1: or three guys and all three of us point and

1140
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 1: twenty degrees in different directions, like, oh boy, we're gonna

1141
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:37,720
Speaker 1: need another one. At least we need at least two people,

1142
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 1: you know, convinced that it's a certain direction. They're just

1143
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:43,360
Speaker 1: it's crazy sometimes depending on what you were looking at

1144
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 1: where your head was when the big golden we're all

1145
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 1: like that way and just slight a slight roll if

1146
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 1: that elk is just over that role, you know, like

1147
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 1: even like here we're sitting next to this gully, that

1148
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:56,760
Speaker 1: bow will probably sound louder if he's across the gully

1149
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 1: on the other side than if he's down the bottom

1150
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 1: just fifty yards below us. Because of that how that

1151
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:05,399
Speaker 1: sounds going to travel to your ears. You know, here's

1152
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:10,759
Speaker 1: another scenario for you. What's different. You give me your

1153
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:15,399
Speaker 1: best scenario. Give me this scenario where you're like, I'm

1154
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 1: gonna kill this bull, just a satellite bull feeding on

1155
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 1: an open hillside. First thing in the morning, like I

1156
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 1: have a loan bowl feeding by himself. First, Well you

1157
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 1: you said we weren't just killing herd bulls anymore so

1158
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 1: because we only have so much time, right, so I

1159
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 1: just want to focus it on. Yeah, it's just elk

1160
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 1: if I if I've got a semi mature maybe three

1161
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 1: and a half to six and a half year old

1162
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 1: May three and a half to five and a half

1163
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 1: year old bull just feeding first thing in the morning

1164
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 1: by himself when coming downhill and I'm below him, I'll

1165
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 1: take I'll take that, Okay, tell me how you're gonna

1166
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 1: work that Bull'm just literally paint the picture for him

1167
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 1: as long as his eyes can't pick me out if

1168
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 1: I can move using you know, train or vegetation to

1169
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:56,479
Speaker 1: get within even him. I don't even get that close

1170
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:59,839
Speaker 1: now because you're down winds coming down because the day

1171
00:54:59,880 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 1: has and heat it up herest thing in the morning.

1172
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 1: I know from maybe hunting the area a day or

1173
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:06,800
Speaker 1: two before, the sun's not gonna hit this drainage until

1174
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 1: you know, the two hours, I've got plenty of time. Um,

1175
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 1: I just want to get to three even maybe four

1176
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:14,360
Speaker 1: yards away from this bowl and just calcolum and I

1177
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 1: won't even touch my bugles. So then you're not worried

1178
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:18,799
Speaker 1: about getting hundred yards away. No I I can. I

1179
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 1: know from past experience that we can pull that thing

1180
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:23,799
Speaker 1: with a lot of heavy, sexy cal calls from a

1181
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:27,839
Speaker 1: lot further away. Okay, so give me the So there

1182
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 1: you are, you're down in the creek bed, but it's

1183
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 1: an open slope and you're looking up and you can

1184
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 1: just see him working around feeding and I three yards

1185
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 1: up the hill, and I want to be able to

1186
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 1: see him. If I can see him and see how

1187
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 1: he reacts to the calls, the better. How did happen

1188
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 1: with First, you start heavy duty, or you just take

1189
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 1: his temperature first. I'll probably just some white calcols. Just

1190
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:50,279
Speaker 1: see how he responds here once he uh, once he

1191
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 1: gets going, then I'll probably pick it up. So this

1192
00:55:52,719 --> 00:56:00,880
Speaker 1: is the first noise out of your mouth, and just

1193
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 1: maybe those two and then you watch him. Just watch him.

1194
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 1: He's mostly gonna pick his head up, and then his

1195
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 1: next steps either gonna be go back to feeding or

1196
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 1: he's gonna turn and come down towards me. Once he turns,

1197
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 1: it comes down to me. And I don't want to

1198
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 1: be cocky, but at that point, I would say we

1199
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 1: have a nine percent chance he's kind he's gonna come. Okay,

1200
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 1: when do you feel that it's once he takes that

1201
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:23,880
Speaker 1: first step in your direction. So if he was feeding

1202
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 1: left or right and he goes from straight down the hill, um,

1203
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 1: I would be pretty confident that at least we're gonna

1204
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:33,319
Speaker 1: get a shot at him. What's your cockiness level? Just

1205
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 1: seeing him? I'm pretty confidence. So confidence level, yeah, you

1206
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 1: just okay, it's just the fifty yards. Um, I'll just

1207
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 1: set that in fifty yards. I'm gonna say we've got

1208
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:46,839
Speaker 1: a chance that he no, no no, no, no, what I'm saying,

1209
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:48,840
Speaker 1: like when he's still three yards up the hill. But

1210
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 1: you know, like like you know for absolute you know

1211
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 1: it might it might not be possible in real life.

1212
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:55,840
Speaker 1: Let's just say you knew for absolute certain that that

1213
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:59,879
Speaker 1: is a lone bowl by himself and the winds right

1214
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 1: and your three yards blow it and it's when we

1215
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 1: and we know that it's the rut. Are you thinking, man,

1216
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:08,399
Speaker 1: there's a you know, before I even touch this call,

1217
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:11,439
Speaker 1: I'm saying, there's a blank percent chance that that bull

1218
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 1: is gonna step in my direction if I can see

1219
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 1: him from across the canyon. No, he's all by himself,

1220
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 1: um feeding. And I would say that number is pretty similar,

1221
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 1: even because a lot of times the satellite bowls will

1222
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 1: kind of heard up together and hang out. I would say,

1223
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 1: even if you have a group, it's still probably one

1224
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 1: of them or two of them are gonna break off.

1225
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 1: Really yeah, maybe the more mature out of those two,

1226
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 1: or if there's a couple that or maybe a little

1227
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 1: bit better than the spikes or the the you know,

1228
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 1: the two and a half year olds that typically those

1229
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 1: bigger ones in the group will break off and come

1230
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 1: towards you, sometimes together. So let's say you're on a

1231
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 1: glass and knob. They're just a ridge and on one side,

1232
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 1: down one side of the ridge, you've got and all

1233
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 1: these bulls are exact same size, and this scenarrow they're

1234
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 1: all exact same size. But one side of the ridge

1235
00:57:56,320 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 1: you've got twenty cows. There's seven bowls. Everybody's going bananas. Okay.

1236
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:06,240
Speaker 1: On the other side of bridge is just the same bowl.

1237
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 1: But he's just hanging out feeding. You're like, I'm gonna

1238
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 1: go work that bowl. Now you're really playing with the

1239
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 1: reason I cunt. So you've got all that action on

1240
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 1: the one side, and that's what I'm here for. So

1241
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 1: now I need to weigh it is killing the ball

1242
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 1: more important or am I here for that? So that's

1243
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 1: that's where it gets really tough. Now you've kind of

1244
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 1: split me down the middle. Because even though I love

1245
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:31,560
Speaker 1: I love filling the freezer full, help me, it's, you know,

1246
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 1: that's what I came out here for. I also come

1247
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 1: out here for something a little different, like that action.

1248
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 1: Like you're like, I want to go in and throw

1249
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 1: in with that group. So even though I know there's

1250
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 1: probably better well that many balls running around with twenty cows,

1251
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 1: there's still gonna be a lot of action. You're probably

1252
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 1: gonna have a chance, but that that satellite bowl is

1253
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 1: gonna be pretty well pretty good odds, right, And then

1254
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:54,479
Speaker 1: you have the fifty sets of eyes versus the one

1255
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 1: set of eyes. You know that always helps, but you're

1256
00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 1: seduced by the action. It is. It's it's uh in

1257
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 1: the learning experience and everything. Yeah, so I'm probably bowing

1258
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 1: towards the bugles because it's gonna be funnyer I go

1259
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 1: down there and bugle a little bit more. And and

1260
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 1: then I'm also thinking the back of my head, like

1261
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 1: I screwed this up. I can go after that one

1262
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 1: later or eventually he's probably gonna come on over to

1263
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 1: the join the party. Anyway. Give me another. Okay, now

1264
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 1: hit me with this is make your own scenario. Um,

1265
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:32,240
Speaker 1: hit me with a great scenario that involves cows. This

1266
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 1: involves because you're saying like, okay, it's a bowl to

1267
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 1: three bowls whatever. No cows around out feeding, So let's

1268
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 1: say it is that it's it's a big herd bowl.

1269
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 1: He's got five cows, seems to have some like spike

1270
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:49,000
Speaker 1: in the mix, seems to have some raghorn bowl in

1271
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 1: the mix. We're kind of pastoring him. What what is

1272
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 1: the moment throughout the day or the moment when you're like,

1273
00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:58,440
Speaker 1: now is my like, if I'm gonna make this work,

1274
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make it work when X happens. I want

1275
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,400
Speaker 1: to catch them if I can the most optimum time,

1276
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 1: if I can catch them when they're going through from

1277
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:10,560
Speaker 1: feed back into their bedding cover. I want to be

1278
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:13,760
Speaker 1: somewhere in that hundred yard range of the cover, so

1279
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:15,439
Speaker 1: you just come out and maybe feeding in an open

1280
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 1: meadow and an old burn and an avalanche shoot whatever

1281
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:21,479
Speaker 1: that area is their feed and they're going back to bed.

1282
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 1: I would love to catch them in that one hundred

1283
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:29,160
Speaker 1: yards inside you're waiting in there. That's where that ambush slash. Uh.

1284
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 1: You know a little bit of calling comes in. Like

1285
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 1: all right, I've watched them this morning. It was right

1286
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:33,920
Speaker 1: at daybreak. I had an hour and a half to

1287
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:36,920
Speaker 1: get up. I know they're gonna feed in about on contour.

1288
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:39,520
Speaker 1: They're gonna go to that bench. You know, I'm I'm

1289
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:41,040
Speaker 1: drawing all this up in my mind where I think

1290
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 1: they're gonna go. If I don't have any past experience,

1291
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:46,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go sit right there, hundred yards inside that

1292
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:49,680
Speaker 1: timber and wait for him. Man, just do some real

1293
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:53,160
Speaker 1: minor calling when you hear him, see them, see them,

1294
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 1: hear them. You know, I'm pretty impatient. So I might

1295
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:57,000
Speaker 1: start to move around a little bit, you know, trying

1296
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 1: to figure hopefully ideally that bowls maybe making some sound

1297
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,520
Speaker 1: on his own the more and on the morning. If not,

1298
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 1: you know, I might let a calcol here there if

1299
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 1: I kind of think I lost them or they should

1300
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 1: be here by now. I got you. I feel like

1301
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:10,120
Speaker 1: the cows. A lot of times you get that sort

1302
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 1: of like tea party almost we used to always call

1303
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:15,440
Speaker 1: it when they're leaving that big meadow, not like the

1304
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:18,080
Speaker 1: not like the tea party, you know, like a bunch

1305
01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:22,040
Speaker 1: of like uh gals and a tea party just yeah,

1306
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 1: throwing tea into Boston Harbor or electing right of center

1307
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:34,920
Speaker 1: anti establishment politicians or neither of those people drinking tea

1308
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:39,720
Speaker 1: at a party. Then more clear, but almost like a cacophony,

1309
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:41,400
Speaker 1: and really a lot of timetimes. It's not even that

1310
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:43,680
Speaker 1: much beautling. But those cows they are just as they're

1311
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 1: moving up towards bed, you know, they're just you know,

1312
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:48,520
Speaker 1: going off. And I love to have calves in the herd,

1313
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:50,760
Speaker 1: Like if I can look across three calves, like then

1314
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:52,720
Speaker 1: a little noisy sectors are gonna let me know they're coming.

1315
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:55,880
Speaker 1: They're they're pretty vocal, especially the moms. Once they start

1316
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:58,480
Speaker 1: moving like that, that the moms will talk to him

1317
01:01:58,480 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 1: because they're not always right next to each other, and

1318
01:01:59,880 --> 01:02:02,760
Speaker 1: so there's a lot of you know, cow to calf communication.

1319
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:05,240
Speaker 1: Just as they move they start their journey back to bed,

1320
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:08,920
Speaker 1: and no, they'll be pretty vocal. Let me hear another scenario.

1321
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:10,840
Speaker 1: This isn'tna make your own. I'm giving you this one,

1322
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:13,880
Speaker 1: all right, Okay, whatever the hell happened? You have your

1323
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:17,240
Speaker 1: morning hunt, gets all hot. He's know, nothing's gonna happen.

1324
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 1: You're headed back toward camp. You're passing through a timber patch. Okay,

1325
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:26,920
Speaker 1: unfamiliar terrain and all of a sudden surprises you. But

1326
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, a hundred yards off down below

1327
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:34,520
Speaker 1: you in the timber a bugle. So you have no context,

1328
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:44,200
Speaker 1: you have no idea, you don't know anything. I'm gonna

1329
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:47,439
Speaker 1: start that one with cal calls right where you stand. Yeah,

1330
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:50,160
Speaker 1: see if he answers back to that, he might ignore me,

1331
01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:52,920
Speaker 1: or at least where's the all in cal calls? Is

1332
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:55,080
Speaker 1: that gonna? Is that gonna work? Um? You know, a

1333
01:02:55,120 --> 01:02:56,880
Speaker 1: hundred yards away, I should be able to hear some

1334
01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 1: sticks breaking if I can't see him, Um, if he's

1335
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:01,440
Speaker 1: coming towards me. Um, if he doesn't respond, a lot

1336
01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:03,320
Speaker 1: of times they will come in silent too. So you

1337
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:06,680
Speaker 1: gotta yeah, like, I can I hear sticks. But I'm

1338
01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:09,120
Speaker 1: gonna start that one with a cal call. Um I

1339
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:10,960
Speaker 1: figured on those. I don't have a whole lot to

1340
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:14,280
Speaker 1: you lose if he doesn't answer, So maybe five ten

1341
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:16,959
Speaker 1: minutes if nothing developed, or I can't hear anything moving.

1342
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:19,760
Speaker 1: I might just do a little weak, little bugle, just

1343
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 1: something knowing he can hear it because he's close. Um,

1344
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:24,400
Speaker 1: just trying to get a response, so I can kind

1345
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:26,160
Speaker 1: of engage whether he went the other way, whether he

1346
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 1: was in his bed, if he's still in his bed,

1347
01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:30,200
Speaker 1: did he move towards me. Let me hear the cow

1348
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:44,680
Speaker 1: calls and let me hear the light bugle. Oh that's

1349
01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 1: a real nice little light little ill no one that

1350
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:49,360
Speaker 1: he can hear it. You know, when you're trying to locate,

1351
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:50,920
Speaker 1: I'm trying to be you know, as loud as possible

1352
01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:53,000
Speaker 1: to kind of hit as many ears. But it's just

1353
01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:55,160
Speaker 1: just something really kind of in the middle, not getting

1354
01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:57,720
Speaker 1: really high. Just how's he gonna respond to that? But

1355
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:00,880
Speaker 1: that's your softest caw call. Oh that's a that's a

1356
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:04,920
Speaker 1: fairly heavy baggling read. We've got some really light so

1357
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:08,560
Speaker 1: I'm really light. Make sure I get So that's the

1358
01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:11,360
Speaker 1: other thing I hunt with one call. So the really

1359
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:13,600
Speaker 1: my I this is my personal call and I use

1360
01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:15,640
Speaker 1: it for almost everything I got called. This is the

1361
01:04:15,640 --> 01:04:17,280
Speaker 1: felt signature. So it's just and that's what you've been

1362
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:19,280
Speaker 1: ripping the bugles on. Well, I've been using the maverick

1363
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:21,120
Speaker 1: as well too, So those are the two that I

1364
01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:24,040
Speaker 1: I typically use. But mine's a little bit softer on

1365
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:28,920
Speaker 1: the cow call. See, I don't think of that as

1366
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:33,520
Speaker 1: a soft cow call man, So I guess who am

1367
01:04:33,560 --> 01:04:35,680
Speaker 1: I to say? But that strikes me as like a

1368
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:38,360
Speaker 1: that's a cow call it. I mean, we can go

1369
01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:41,160
Speaker 1: really soft, but by time you're trying to call through

1370
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:43,480
Speaker 1: the trees and the vegetation. If you've got somebody like

1371
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:45,400
Speaker 1: you know, we've called a lot for our buddies and

1372
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:47,520
Speaker 1: like dang them, things get drowned out pretty quick, right,

1373
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:50,920
Speaker 1: cow is just making like you hear coles, just making

1374
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:56,919
Speaker 1: the slightest little sounds. Yeah, it depends. That's not really

1375
01:04:56,920 --> 01:05:00,560
Speaker 1: in your hunting repertoire though, not the that I make.

1376
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:03,080
Speaker 1: I will. I'll never argue they don't make them. Um,

1377
01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:07,120
Speaker 1: you know you don't need that. Yeah, I don't. I

1378
01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:09,400
Speaker 1: don't use it. Um, I will calf call, which is

1379
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:11,360
Speaker 1: more of that high pitched chirp. If I'm trying to

1380
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:18,960
Speaker 1: communicate with them, let me hear your what a calf? Okay,

1381
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:21,160
Speaker 1: So they don't really have they don't really have the

1382
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:22,800
Speaker 1: deep part to their called, just more of that high

1383
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:27,080
Speaker 1: pitch shut off. Um, well, well I'll calf call a

1384
01:05:27,080 --> 01:05:30,400
Speaker 1: little bit, but yeah, most of my calcolling is loud um.

1385
01:05:30,560 --> 01:05:35,360
Speaker 1: And during September it seems they will communicate softly, but

1386
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:36,880
Speaker 1: a lot of times, you know that the whole tea

1387
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:39,040
Speaker 1: party or when they get going, they're fairly loud and

1388
01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:42,760
Speaker 1: knocks like yeah, and they got those loud, drawn out

1389
01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:44,560
Speaker 1: cal calls and they get going, and it's like, well,

1390
01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:45,680
Speaker 1: that's why I want to I want to be one

1391
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:48,680
Speaker 1: of them, um. And so we try to. Like last year,

1392
01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:53,000
Speaker 1: the bowl that my wife called in uh my, there

1393
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 1: were probably forty cows and that heard with a couple

1394
01:05:56,120 --> 01:05:58,680
Speaker 1: of different bowls and then the one larger bowl and

1395
01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:00,840
Speaker 1: when they got up to feed, we kind of shodowed

1396
01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:03,520
Speaker 1: him the whole morning or the evening, excuse me, and

1397
01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:06,000
Speaker 1: they started to come up. They just started going and

1398
01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:09,000
Speaker 1: it sounded like a thousand you know, different elk going

1399
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 1: off because it's bouncing off the walls and they were

1400
01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:13,760
Speaker 1: all doing loud and it was it was pretty impressive

1401
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:17,480
Speaker 1: just the amount of sound and noise and volume that

1402
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:20,000
Speaker 1: group of forty cows could make. It It's like as

1403
01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:22,000
Speaker 1: many cal calls and as fast as they could go

1404
01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:24,040
Speaker 1: they were, they're letting them fly. That makes me want

1405
01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:29,840
Speaker 1: to hit you with another scenario. Okay, you're on all morning, right,

1406
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:33,920
Speaker 1: you're all dejected, nothing happened. You get into a shady spot,

1407
01:06:34,120 --> 01:06:37,480
Speaker 1: you decided to have a it's eleven am. You decided

1408
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:40,480
Speaker 1: to have a sandwich. Okay, you start to take a

1409
01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:44,520
Speaker 1: little nap. You're fighting the urge to go home. Everything sucks.

1410
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:50,240
Speaker 1: And also here a bunch of sticks snapping, rocks rolling

1411
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:54,800
Speaker 1: and for whatever the hell reason, off to your side

1412
01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:57,160
Speaker 1: aways here comes as a herd of elk. You can't

1413
01:06:57,160 --> 01:06:59,360
Speaker 1: tell are they spooked? Are they what? What's going on?

1414
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:04,520
Speaker 1: But they're just kind brom rumbling down the hillside. Maybe

1415
01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:06,760
Speaker 1: they got bumped, maybe whatever. I don't know, maybe the

1416
01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:12,600
Speaker 1: bulls harassing them. They're gonna pass out of range. Did

1417
01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:14,760
Speaker 1: you just watch them go and be like hollows interesting?

1418
01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:16,880
Speaker 1: Or do you be like I'm gonna make some kind

1419
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:20,640
Speaker 1: of crazy play. I m might heard a calcoll flow

1420
01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:22,840
Speaker 1: them down, but I'm not gonna necessarily chase that heard

1421
01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:24,800
Speaker 1: as they run away. You know, if they if they

1422
01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:27,640
Speaker 1: were just passing through fairly quickly, Um, we'll just kind

1423
01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:29,680
Speaker 1: of let them go, but just log log in your

1424
01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:31,600
Speaker 1: head where they went. Yeah, yeah, you know I was

1425
01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:33,240
Speaker 1: I able to see what was there. Could you know?

1426
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:35,000
Speaker 1: I might try to get up, grab my bow and

1427
01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:37,200
Speaker 1: release and and cut them off, maybe to have a shot.

1428
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:38,520
Speaker 1: If there is a bull there I want to kill.

1429
01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:40,560
Speaker 1: But you know, if they're moving like that, it's gonna

1430
01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:43,120
Speaker 1: be tough, you know, tough to call them in because

1431
01:07:43,120 --> 01:07:45,840
Speaker 1: they're they're going somewhere, they've they've been scared by something

1432
01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:47,680
Speaker 1: or you know, there was a predator or a human

1433
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:50,520
Speaker 1: or it's gonna be tough to call them in. Okay,

1434
01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:52,720
Speaker 1: let me hit you with one more then you can

1435
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:56,320
Speaker 1: hit you the snare if you want. It's evening time.

1436
01:07:56,840 --> 01:08:00,439
Speaker 1: It's your last day of the hunt, okay, And there's

1437
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:07,200
Speaker 1: just a gigantic open sage flat, very open and just

1438
01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:09,600
Speaker 1: out in the middle of this thousand yards to cross

1439
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:12,600
Speaker 1: and out in the middle of this thing is a

1440
01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:15,240
Speaker 1: couple of bulls, a bunch of cows, and they're just

1441
01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:22,040
Speaker 1: happily feeding away with a rifle. You'd be loving, but

1442
01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:25,160
Speaker 1: they're not going anywhere. They're gonna be out there until morning.

1443
01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:30,000
Speaker 1: It's your last night. You can't it's not really plausible

1444
01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:34,840
Speaker 1: to do a good sneak on them and you got

1445
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:37,160
Speaker 1: You're like, I don't know, I gotta try. I gotta

1446
01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:41,240
Speaker 1: try something. I can't just let this right. I can't

1447
01:08:41,240 --> 01:08:43,519
Speaker 1: just let this one pass. And that's all you got

1448
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:50,479
Speaker 1: last night. And you can't get three yards away without

1449
01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:53,559
Speaker 1: you can't get three yards away without spooking them. You're

1450
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:54,880
Speaker 1: gonna have to just I mean, you're gonna have to

1451
01:08:54,920 --> 01:08:57,519
Speaker 1: try to call him in. See. It's just that you

1452
01:08:57,720 --> 01:08:59,599
Speaker 1: take their temperature as soon as you let that first.

1453
01:09:00,320 --> 01:09:02,800
Speaker 1: Probably caw call really loudly. Cow calls if they're three

1454
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:08,600
Speaker 1: yards away. Chance not good? Ten under ten? Ser'ous? Like,

1455
01:09:08,680 --> 01:09:12,720
Speaker 1: I don't know, Uh, I'm pretty under ten. Yeah, I'm

1456
01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:14,559
Speaker 1: not liking my odds on this one. But you gotta

1457
01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:17,280
Speaker 1: try something unless you have enough time left in the

1458
01:09:17,400 --> 01:09:20,320
Speaker 1: night to go find something else. So if you had

1459
01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:22,280
Speaker 1: enough time to go find something else, you might be like, well,

1460
01:09:22,280 --> 01:09:24,080
Speaker 1: I'm probably gonna try to screw this up as fast

1461
01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:26,720
Speaker 1: as possible and then and then go find something else.

1462
01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:30,160
Speaker 1: That way to say, at least I gave it a shot. Um,

1463
01:09:30,360 --> 01:09:33,920
Speaker 1: that's tough. I usually like to to put and maybe

1464
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:35,360
Speaker 1: I shouldn't put a number on it, but I'm pretty

1465
01:09:35,360 --> 01:09:38,960
Speaker 1: confident that in the mountains and normal hunting, I'm gonna

1466
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:43,599
Speaker 1: get it to at least see the bulls I hear,

1467
01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:46,320
Speaker 1: you know, at a fairly close range, maybe not all

1468
01:09:46,360 --> 01:09:47,880
Speaker 1: with an archy range, but I'm gonna see him in

1469
01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:49,880
Speaker 1: the timber, like at a point where I've called him

1470
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:52,400
Speaker 1: into a spot, where I've snuck into a point something

1471
01:09:52,439 --> 01:09:55,160
Speaker 1: like that, Like I'm gonna be I'm probably gonna see

1472
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:56,840
Speaker 1: him at the closest point. I'm gonna see him as

1473
01:09:56,840 --> 01:09:58,880
Speaker 1: they're walking away, like I'm not gonna probably turn that ball.

1474
01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:01,719
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get him to turn what you probably

1475
01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:05,439
Speaker 1: just see what you see if something crazy? Do you

1476
01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:09,920
Speaker 1: always with every group you work with, every group elk

1477
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:12,920
Speaker 1: you work, are you like I'm either gonna call it

1478
01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:15,920
Speaker 1: or spook it, or do you sometimes just say like

1479
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:21,439
Speaker 1: I'll find you tomorrow. So I'm not a I'm a

1480
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:24,519
Speaker 1: how what's the quote, I'm a I have a trophy

1481
01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:28,160
Speaker 1: hunters mentality with a meat hunter's trigger finger, and so

1482
01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:31,680
Speaker 1: I just want to kill elk. But there have been

1483
01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:34,960
Speaker 1: a couple of occasions when the headgear has gotten me

1484
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:36,680
Speaker 1: to a point like I'm not gonna screw this one

1485
01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:39,160
Speaker 1: up yet. I've got ten days left in season his

1486
01:10:39,240 --> 01:10:41,679
Speaker 1: bowl as a giant. I'm gonna give him one more

1487
01:10:42,160 --> 01:10:44,439
Speaker 1: you know, or a couple more chances before I blow

1488
01:10:44,479 --> 01:10:46,280
Speaker 1: him out of the country into a different drainage and

1489
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:49,639
Speaker 1: the spot he is not familiar with. Um. Now, that's

1490
01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:51,800
Speaker 1: always bad. Sometimes I would rather hunt a bowl after

1491
01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:54,600
Speaker 1: I spook it so he's not as comfortable and its surroundings.

1492
01:10:55,400 --> 01:10:58,919
Speaker 1: But most of the time, I'm gonna bump him um.

1493
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:00,400
Speaker 1: And a lot of times when we bump them, they

1494
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:02,840
Speaker 1: haven't they haven't necessarily smelled us. In my opinion, them

1495
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:05,120
Speaker 1: smelling us is are We've kind of screwed that up

1496
01:11:05,120 --> 01:11:07,360
Speaker 1: for a while. But if they just see us or

1497
01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:10,360
Speaker 1: hear us, um, I'd rather than see me personally walking

1498
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:12,760
Speaker 1: towards them than to smell me. That's what That's the

1499
01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:16,479
Speaker 1: thing I've said to people is like I feel that

1500
01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:20,320
Speaker 1: they they don't always trust their eyes, and they don't

1501
01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:23,400
Speaker 1: always trust their ears, but they always trust their notes

1502
01:11:24,240 --> 01:11:27,120
Speaker 1: and and even their ears. So like, well, you call

1503
01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:29,000
Speaker 1: to them a specific way, like my buddies, they can

1504
01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:30,720
Speaker 1: all tell if it's me calling, I can tell which

1505
01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:32,160
Speaker 1: one of my buddies is calling. We'll have our own

1506
01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:35,680
Speaker 1: little unique style, and always like they can they tell like,

1507
01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:37,200
Speaker 1: do I need to switch calls? Do I need to

1508
01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:39,640
Speaker 1: switch my style? Because I was calling to them that

1509
01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:41,559
Speaker 1: way last night and then they seen, you know, me

1510
01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:43,320
Speaker 1: walking through the woods with my bow and my pack

1511
01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:46,400
Speaker 1: towards them, Like did they associate my calling with that?

1512
01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:48,080
Speaker 1: So if we go get on them again, do we

1513
01:11:48,120 --> 01:11:50,240
Speaker 1: need to switch? I don't know if I'm smart enough

1514
01:11:50,360 --> 01:11:52,320
Speaker 1: or like I we will just because we have a

1515
01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:55,120
Speaker 1: different call, or like say, hey, I was shoot last time,

1516
01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:56,599
Speaker 1: but we're going off to the same group, I'll call

1517
01:11:56,720 --> 01:11:58,960
Speaker 1: you shoot this time, just to give them a little

1518
01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:01,479
Speaker 1: bit different of a style. But I also believe if

1519
01:12:01,479 --> 01:12:04,479
Speaker 1: you sound enough like an ELK and a quality enough sounds,

1520
01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:06,880
Speaker 1: then doesn't really matter because always are gonna sound like OLK.

1521
01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:08,880
Speaker 1: So can you Can you fool him again the next day?

1522
01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:11,680
Speaker 1: And we have um, but I would assume him going

1523
01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:14,320
Speaker 1: with a little bit different sound. Do you guys ever,

1524
01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:17,479
Speaker 1: you and your bodies? Do you guys ever tag team

1525
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:21,360
Speaker 1: on calling? We do? Is that advantageous? Especially when the

1526
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:24,680
Speaker 1: whole the multiple cows get going and they're creating some

1527
01:12:24,760 --> 01:12:27,120
Speaker 1: excitement and we feel like we're losing some excitement to

1528
01:12:27,240 --> 01:12:29,479
Speaker 1: what the bull already has. We'll we'll get going back

1529
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:32,559
Speaker 1: and forth um to pick it up. We don't do

1530
01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:36,679
Speaker 1: the primo style like guy drops the hundred yards back

1531
01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:40,799
Speaker 1: calling style though, because the way we hunt that color,

1532
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:43,280
Speaker 1: which is now the the elk so to speak, is

1533
01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:45,760
Speaker 1: now two hundred yards away from this bull, and that

1534
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:48,200
Speaker 1: might give him the chance to leave, dodge because the

1535
01:12:48,240 --> 01:12:50,439
Speaker 1: elkie thinks there isn't a threat that bowl or maybe

1536
01:12:50,479 --> 01:12:52,479
Speaker 1: around his cows up and leave. So a lot of

1537
01:12:52,479 --> 01:12:54,240
Speaker 1: times that color is right on my hip and it

1538
01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:56,280
Speaker 1: gives us a chance to communicate, like, hey, I can

1539
01:12:56,280 --> 01:12:59,320
Speaker 1: see something he can't like, stop biggling, stop cow calming off,

1540
01:12:59,320 --> 01:13:02,160
Speaker 1: he's hundre yards at um. You know, I love all

1541
01:13:02,200 --> 01:13:04,240
Speaker 1: the truth videos. I watched them all a hundred times.

1542
01:13:04,240 --> 01:13:07,080
Speaker 1: But the way that we have to hunt on public

1543
01:13:07,160 --> 01:13:09,040
Speaker 1: lands isn't the same as they got to hunt on

1544
01:13:09,080 --> 01:13:11,880
Speaker 1: the hill ranch. Yeah, you know that's a funny thing

1545
01:13:11,880 --> 01:13:13,320
Speaker 1: makes I was talking a new guy last night, a

1546
01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:16,680
Speaker 1: buddy mine. He's talking about this world record elk, and

1547
01:13:16,680 --> 01:13:18,200
Speaker 1: it was like everybody knew it was there, and it

1548
01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:23,360
Speaker 1: filmed it. Eventually a guide finds it. It's hiding out

1549
01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:26,599
Speaker 1: in some private land. Heidi hole they call a client

1550
01:13:26,680 --> 01:13:28,679
Speaker 1: on the phone, he books a trip to come out.

1551
01:13:29,120 --> 01:13:32,519
Speaker 1: It's like, that's all great and good, but that's not reality, man,

1552
01:13:34,160 --> 01:13:36,599
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's just not reality. Yeah,

1553
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:41,639
Speaker 1: that's that's called cash. Yeah and yes, so we as

1554
01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:44,479
Speaker 1: much as I love those, it's just sending the sending

1555
01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:46,320
Speaker 1: the color way back has just never worked well for

1556
01:13:46,400 --> 01:13:48,360
Speaker 1: us a lot of times. And to this day, my

1557
01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:50,040
Speaker 1: buddy Charlie did call me in a bowl, but to

1558
01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:52,160
Speaker 1: this day I still called in every bowl life shot

1559
01:13:52,240 --> 01:13:54,720
Speaker 1: like I've never and when we do call for each other,

1560
01:13:54,760 --> 01:13:57,479
Speaker 1: we're usually writing each other's hip pockets, um. And it's

1561
01:13:57,520 --> 01:14:01,280
Speaker 1: it's really to create that that uh, that threat to

1562
01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:03,360
Speaker 1: that bowl, like I'm here, I'm on top of you,

1563
01:14:03,400 --> 01:14:06,280
Speaker 1: I'm on your cows. You have to come guys? Are

1564
01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:10,720
Speaker 1: you guys? Are You're like so much more, which is

1565
01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:13,800
Speaker 1: why you probably have to maintain that pressure distance. If

1566
01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:15,880
Speaker 1: we had to put a number, I know Steve loves numbers,

1567
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:17,599
Speaker 1: Like if I had to put like a no, no, no, man,

1568
01:14:17,640 --> 01:14:20,840
Speaker 1: I don't know. If I had to put a I'm

1569
01:14:20,840 --> 01:14:25,360
Speaker 1: like nine beagles ten percent cowcus kinds of people. Nine

1570
01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:28,360
Speaker 1: beagles From the day, I'll leave the truck for the

1571
01:14:28,360 --> 01:14:31,000
Speaker 1: time I get back in September. To ten percent calcols,

1572
01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:34,519
Speaker 1: I would say probably represents nine bugles for every calcol

1573
01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:39,439
Speaker 1: for every ten calcols, ye, nine bagles for everyone, especially

1574
01:14:39,479 --> 01:14:42,120
Speaker 1: when we're locating. Really, I mean, we may let it.

1575
01:14:42,280 --> 01:14:44,000
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm a little off on my numbers. I might

1576
01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:46,759
Speaker 1: calcol just to say I did before I rip a bugle.

1577
01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:49,519
Speaker 1: But usually I'm gonna maybe calcol twice from a spot

1578
01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:51,479
Speaker 1: and then I'll rip. I really want to locate from this,

1579
01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:53,320
Speaker 1: And now you do. You mostly hunt in the high

1580
01:14:53,360 --> 01:14:58,360
Speaker 1: pressure areas, high pressure units. I try to get into

1581
01:14:58,360 --> 01:15:00,920
Speaker 1: some areas within those high pressure units maybe that don't

1582
01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:05,080
Speaker 1: have as many people. Um the spot we you know,

1583
01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:08,799
Speaker 1: we we Idaho we hunt. I don't have on Washington

1584
01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:11,679
Speaker 1: for a while. Now, uh, Montana we hunt a lot.

1585
01:15:12,160 --> 01:15:13,720
Speaker 1: We're in units where there's lots of people down by

1586
01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:15,240
Speaker 1: the road. But if we get two or three miles in,

1587
01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:18,280
Speaker 1: we're typically fairly alone. But you might run into a

1588
01:15:18,360 --> 01:15:20,679
Speaker 1: hunter or two or a set of boot tracks here there.

1589
01:15:20,720 --> 01:15:24,080
Speaker 1: But um, there's a lot of hunters around, and these

1590
01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:28,559
Speaker 1: elk may have been called to but it's yeah, if

1591
01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:30,120
Speaker 1: there are a lot of hunters I might not locate

1592
01:15:30,160 --> 01:15:32,519
Speaker 1: bogle as much. Uh, And that's one of those other

1593
01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:34,960
Speaker 1: things like yeah, you can't even factor in, like if

1594
01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:36,960
Speaker 1: you're in a high pressure area, like I tone my

1595
01:15:37,160 --> 01:15:40,479
Speaker 1: location bugle back because you know, some everybody's in two

1596
01:15:40,479 --> 01:15:42,040
Speaker 1: miles can hear me up on this ridge line, and

1597
01:15:42,040 --> 01:15:44,519
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily want everybody on my ridge line, you know,

1598
01:15:44,680 --> 01:15:47,200
Speaker 1: or I say mine or on the ridge line at

1599
01:15:47,240 --> 01:15:48,639
Speaker 1: the same time I am. So you're like, well, maybe

1600
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:51,439
Speaker 1: I just cal called the locat or maybe I taylor

1601
01:15:51,560 --> 01:15:53,960
Speaker 1: back or or cut back my location beagle, so not

1602
01:15:53,960 --> 01:15:56,800
Speaker 1: everybody knows I'm here, or do you get into a

1603
01:15:56,800 --> 01:15:58,840
Speaker 1: pass on a ridge line there's been elk here, Like

1604
01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:01,040
Speaker 1: I'll start to pick my point a little bit more wisely,

1605
01:16:01,120 --> 01:16:02,720
Speaker 1: like all right, I can smell him, I can see

1606
01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:04,560
Speaker 1: their tracks will be gole from here. But then I

1607
01:16:04,680 --> 01:16:06,000
Speaker 1: might not be agle and tell him out at the

1608
01:16:06,040 --> 01:16:08,439
Speaker 1: end of the ridge. Next. We had a time hunting

1609
01:16:09,400 --> 01:16:12,599
Speaker 1: me my brother where we're hearing as bold as going nuts.

1610
01:16:13,320 --> 01:16:14,840
Speaker 1: But it was like the one road in the area,

1611
01:16:14,840 --> 01:16:16,599
Speaker 1: and it was like calling from the road the ridge

1612
01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:19,920
Speaker 1: that the road is on, and I'm like, dude, that's

1613
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:23,360
Speaker 1: a guy, you know, And we argued about and argued

1614
01:16:23,360 --> 01:16:25,400
Speaker 1: about it, and he said that's I'm like, that's a guy,

1615
01:16:25,479 --> 01:16:27,280
Speaker 1: and then let's just go. So we start walking on

1616
01:16:27,320 --> 01:16:29,840
Speaker 1: the role and pre soon walked into a group out. Yea,

1617
01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:32,559
Speaker 1: it can be hard to tell. Man. I take a

1618
01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:34,920
Speaker 1: lot of pride just because of Hi you on the

1619
01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:36,519
Speaker 1: call company. I don't ever want to get called in

1620
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:40,599
Speaker 1: by somebody. And there's been there's been multiple times where

1621
01:16:40,760 --> 01:16:42,600
Speaker 1: I was about ready to bail, and my buddies like,

1622
01:16:42,640 --> 01:16:43,960
Speaker 1: let's just hang it out a little bit. We could,

1623
01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:45,439
Speaker 1: they won't know who we are. We can sneak out

1624
01:16:45,439 --> 01:16:47,439
Speaker 1: of here. And sure enough we call a bowler a

1625
01:16:47,439 --> 01:16:50,200
Speaker 1: whole herd in multiple times. And so now I'm a

1626
01:16:50,240 --> 01:16:53,920
Speaker 1: little more likely to hang it out. Like even you

1627
01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:56,080
Speaker 1: could be fooled. Yeah, your pride might be heard a

1628
01:16:56,080 --> 01:16:59,200
Speaker 1: little bit, but is it really worth you know, risk

1629
01:16:59,240 --> 01:17:00,880
Speaker 1: and not getting a chance into this bowl because you

1630
01:17:00,920 --> 01:17:04,000
Speaker 1: think it's a person. So I'd rather I'd rather hurt

1631
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:06,599
Speaker 1: my pride a little bit then, But you you generally know,

1632
01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:10,160
Speaker 1: yeah you do. And and uh, I've called a ton

1633
01:17:10,200 --> 01:17:12,400
Speaker 1: of bulls in with my Premos terminator too. But like,

1634
01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:15,679
Speaker 1: now if I hear that thing, you know, flute across

1635
01:17:15,680 --> 01:17:19,000
Speaker 1: the canyon, Like I know exactly what that is. Yeah,

1636
01:17:19,040 --> 01:17:20,920
Speaker 1: it may still it may still fool a bull, but

1637
01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:23,280
Speaker 1: I I can. I can pick a Premos terminator out,

1638
01:17:23,840 --> 01:17:26,920
Speaker 1: you know, almost anywhere at any time. Um, even most

1639
01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:28,720
Speaker 1: people call her. That are even some that are good

1640
01:17:28,720 --> 01:17:31,000
Speaker 1: on dire frams, Like, there's just some things they can't mimic.

1641
01:17:31,280 --> 01:17:33,120
Speaker 1: Even I can't mimic from a real bull, like the

1642
01:17:33,200 --> 01:17:36,599
Speaker 1: depth to get the guttural sound if you listen closely enough,

1643
01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:39,639
Speaker 1: sometimes you're like, yeah, that's a person. But then there's

1644
01:17:39,680 --> 01:17:43,000
Speaker 1: some really bad, honey elk that sound bad and they're

1645
01:17:43,080 --> 01:17:46,800
Speaker 1: they're real, So it's just tough. It's tough to pick out.

1646
01:17:47,240 --> 01:17:48,880
Speaker 1: We try to spend all this time sounding as good

1647
01:17:48,920 --> 01:17:50,519
Speaker 1: as we can, but in reality, the elk or a

1648
01:17:50,520 --> 01:17:52,720
Speaker 1: lot of times worse than worse than what we think

1649
01:17:52,760 --> 01:17:57,439
Speaker 1: you're supposed to. Yeah, what what's your I don't know

1650
01:17:57,439 --> 01:17:59,040
Speaker 1: if you get one or two or three or whatever,

1651
01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:04,200
Speaker 1: But like your death bed elk tips, like your elk

1652
01:18:04,240 --> 01:18:06,880
Speaker 1: tips that sum it all up. Where you're saying, like, man,

1653
01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:09,360
Speaker 1: if I could tell you one thing or two things,

1654
01:18:11,320 --> 01:18:16,240
Speaker 1: they're just generally applicable around elk calling. What would it

1655
01:18:16,280 --> 01:18:19,360
Speaker 1: be okay, I'll give you three um. First is set up.

1656
01:18:19,720 --> 01:18:22,040
Speaker 1: I get the chance, and I call it the fortune

1657
01:18:22,040 --> 01:18:24,840
Speaker 1: of listening to a lot of bad elk hunters, you know,

1658
01:18:24,880 --> 01:18:26,960
Speaker 1: in the position I'm in, Like, hey, your calls were awesome.

1659
01:18:27,000 --> 01:18:28,840
Speaker 1: I called these bulls into this and then I didn't

1660
01:18:28,840 --> 01:18:31,360
Speaker 1: get a shot. Its number one, when you set up

1661
01:18:32,080 --> 01:18:34,479
Speaker 1: whatever direction that bull is going to come from, make

1662
01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:37,640
Speaker 1: sure when he shows himself, either through vegetation or if

1663
01:18:37,640 --> 01:18:39,360
Speaker 1: it's on a train break coming up the hill to

1664
01:18:39,439 --> 01:18:42,840
Speaker 1: a plateau, make sure you're within bow range of where

1665
01:18:42,840 --> 01:18:46,120
Speaker 1: that break train or vegetations at to make sure that

1666
01:18:46,160 --> 01:18:48,880
Speaker 1: you get a shot. That's your setup that you need.

1667
01:18:49,479 --> 01:18:51,840
Speaker 1: So many people can do everything else right, but so many,

1668
01:18:51,880 --> 01:18:53,280
Speaker 1: I think, fail on this set up. They want to

1669
01:18:53,320 --> 01:18:55,240
Speaker 1: set up in a pile of brush, or they want

1670
01:18:55,240 --> 01:18:57,559
Speaker 1: to set up a hundred yards away from this spot.

1671
01:18:57,960 --> 01:19:00,360
Speaker 1: And as we talked in reality, that bulls gonna get

1672
01:19:00,360 --> 01:19:02,320
Speaker 1: to that spot, say that I should be able to

1673
01:19:02,320 --> 01:19:04,479
Speaker 1: see you somewhere out here, and he is going to stop.

1674
01:19:04,520 --> 01:19:08,040
Speaker 1: And that is that hold up position. So pretty much

1675
01:19:08,439 --> 01:19:11,679
Speaker 1: that was my my dad's like big elk story. He's

1676
01:19:11,680 --> 01:19:14,360
Speaker 1: from Michigan, but he went out to Colorado to do

1677
01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:19,800
Speaker 1: an elk hunt with my older half brother, and they

1678
01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:22,559
Speaker 1: had a bull working, and he said, I never thought

1679
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:24,080
Speaker 1: about the fact that I had to shoot the bull.

1680
01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:27,439
Speaker 1: And he climbed into a tree, not into a tree,

1681
01:19:27,439 --> 01:19:30,080
Speaker 1: but like nestled into a tree, and the bull came

1682
01:19:30,120 --> 01:19:33,040
Speaker 1: ten yards away, and he realized that does the thing

1683
01:19:33,080 --> 01:19:35,320
Speaker 1: he forgot because he has to be able to shoot

1684
01:19:35,320 --> 01:19:37,360
Speaker 1: his bow. You jump in a pile of brush, you

1685
01:19:37,360 --> 01:19:40,679
Speaker 1: realize you got arrow sticking out front. You gotta stabilize

1686
01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:42,640
Speaker 1: he sometimes and if that thing doesn't come where you want,

1687
01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:44,680
Speaker 1: you gotta try to swing in there. And you got

1688
01:19:44,720 --> 01:19:46,800
Speaker 1: your elbow, your pat getting hooked on brush. It's just

1689
01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:48,560
Speaker 1: so yeah, I set up, I set up out in

1690
01:19:48,600 --> 01:19:50,800
Speaker 1: the open. Let let the you know, the terrain break

1691
01:19:50,840 --> 01:19:53,400
Speaker 1: me up behind. But really just get close to that

1692
01:19:53,640 --> 01:19:57,519
Speaker 1: terrain break or vegetation break. I got burned. It's funny, sick.

1693
01:19:57,920 --> 01:20:02,160
Speaker 1: Nothing like muled your hunting. In Nevada two years ago,

1694
01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:05,200
Speaker 1: I got where I had these bucks coming up, and

1695
01:20:05,320 --> 01:20:07,280
Speaker 1: I had snuck in on him and I had and

1696
01:20:07,280 --> 01:20:09,360
Speaker 1: I was up against the bush and I committed where

1697
01:20:09,400 --> 01:20:12,479
Speaker 1: I had my bow on one side right, didn't get

1698
01:20:12,479 --> 01:20:14,400
Speaker 1: a shot, and they passed through, but then they're super

1699
01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:18,759
Speaker 1: close and there was no way without doing major movement

1700
01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:22,840
Speaker 1: to be able to get my bow to the other

1701
01:20:22,840 --> 01:20:25,000
Speaker 1: side of and trying to do it spooked Bucks and

1702
01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:28,040
Speaker 1: I just had and I was like, I'm in on

1703
01:20:28,080 --> 01:20:32,840
Speaker 1: this angle and I'm add percent out on every other angle, yep,

1704
01:20:33,280 --> 01:20:35,640
Speaker 1: or just stupid stuff. As a right handed guy, I

1705
01:20:35,680 --> 01:20:38,200
Speaker 1: can't turn to my right at all, right, we can't.

1706
01:20:38,439 --> 01:20:40,559
Speaker 1: And there's been multiple times where like you expectable to

1707
01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:41,760
Speaker 1: go to the left and he goes to your right,

1708
01:20:41,800 --> 01:20:44,000
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, like, I'm gonna have a lot

1709
01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:45,600
Speaker 1: of movement here because I gotta actually now move my

1710
01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:47,720
Speaker 1: feet around he's at twenty five yards because I can

1711
01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:49,439
Speaker 1: swing way back to my left and still shoot with

1712
01:20:49,520 --> 01:20:52,439
Speaker 1: decent form. But to my right, I'm like, you know,

1713
01:20:52,479 --> 01:20:55,599
Speaker 1: you're you're stuck. And uh so all that on set up,

1714
01:20:55,600 --> 01:20:57,800
Speaker 1: like I stuff I used to not think about until

1715
01:20:57,800 --> 01:20:59,840
Speaker 1: it costs me a lot of times. You keep adding

1716
01:20:59,840 --> 01:21:02,880
Speaker 1: to set up thing forever. But my little tidbit on

1717
01:21:02,920 --> 01:21:04,439
Speaker 1: that is that we used to see a lot of

1718
01:21:04,439 --> 01:21:06,599
Speaker 1: guys like they want to crouch and get low and

1719
01:21:06,680 --> 01:21:09,559
Speaker 1: like you're saying, people get like inside of like the

1720
01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:11,720
Speaker 1: branches of a fir tree. I'm like, dude, how are

1721
01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:13,840
Speaker 1: you ever gonna get your bow drawn back? But I

1722
01:21:13,880 --> 01:21:16,400
Speaker 1: think a big thing is always stay on your feet.

1723
01:21:16,840 --> 01:21:20,519
Speaker 1: Don't kneel, don't crouch down, like just trust that your

1724
01:21:20,520 --> 01:21:22,080
Speaker 1: cam was gonna work. Stand on your feet, because that

1725
01:21:22,120 --> 01:21:24,479
Speaker 1: just gives you so much more. Like you can take

1726
01:21:24,520 --> 01:21:26,360
Speaker 1: a step, and that might be that gets you the

1727
01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:28,639
Speaker 1: six inches for the window you need, right, And if

1728
01:21:28,640 --> 01:21:30,400
Speaker 1: you're on your knees, you're not doing that. Just do

1729
01:21:30,439 --> 01:21:32,000
Speaker 1: you always stand on your feet? I knew I was

1730
01:21:32,040 --> 01:21:34,559
Speaker 1: just scaring. Somebody asked me the other day, um on

1731
01:21:34,840 --> 01:21:37,200
Speaker 1: in a seminar, like, how many I've killed one bull

1732
01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:40,760
Speaker 1: off of my knees? Um? Out of however many of

1733
01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:43,120
Speaker 1: you know, thirty plus bulls I've killed, you know, archery,

1734
01:21:43,120 --> 01:21:46,000
Speaker 1: I've I've been on my knees like one time, um

1735
01:21:46,080 --> 01:21:47,880
Speaker 1: and that would end up being like a six yard shot.

1736
01:21:48,200 --> 01:21:50,719
Speaker 1: And the only reason I killed him off of my knees.

1737
01:21:50,760 --> 01:21:52,320
Speaker 1: I wasn't supposed to be the shooter. I kind of

1738
01:21:52,360 --> 01:21:54,800
Speaker 1: carved my buddy. I was calling the bull in for him.

1739
01:21:55,160 --> 01:21:57,200
Speaker 1: He got to like four yards of my buddy, but

1740
01:21:57,280 --> 01:22:00,000
Speaker 1: had him pinned, And you could tell by his actually

1741
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:01,559
Speaker 1: as he was gonna get nervous and leave, and I'm like, well,

1742
01:22:01,600 --> 01:22:03,120
Speaker 1: I'm only eight yards away, and I've got a bow

1743
01:22:03,160 --> 01:22:05,000
Speaker 1: and I've got a tag. So I actually knocked my

1744
01:22:05,120 --> 01:22:07,919
Speaker 1: row with him eight yards away and as the cameraman

1745
01:22:08,080 --> 01:22:10,599
Speaker 1: shot him. But that's the only one I've ever killed

1746
01:22:10,600 --> 01:22:12,680
Speaker 1: off my knees now because it was an accident. So

1747
01:22:12,760 --> 01:22:17,639
Speaker 1: you're like making a little sacrifice on hiding in order

1748
01:22:17,640 --> 01:22:20,840
Speaker 1: to get an advantage and mobility and good shot for him.

1749
01:22:21,200 --> 01:22:23,560
Speaker 1: But I and this is the goofiest rule ever, I

1750
01:22:23,600 --> 01:22:25,200
Speaker 1: don't ever look at Elk in the eye. As long

1751
01:22:25,240 --> 01:22:27,840
Speaker 1: as you don't look at Elk and the three tips. No,

1752
01:22:27,960 --> 01:22:31,120
Speaker 1: this is this is, this is bonus. Don't look him

1753
01:22:31,120 --> 01:22:33,920
Speaker 1: in the eyes. Like, I've never had an Elk pick

1754
01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:35,880
Speaker 1: me out as long as I haven't looked at it

1755
01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:38,080
Speaker 1: seems like you make an eye connection and something weird

1756
01:22:38,120 --> 01:22:40,240
Speaker 1: happens and they know. But if I keep my brain

1757
01:22:40,320 --> 01:22:42,559
Speaker 1: and my hat down, I've never been picked off by

1758
01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:44,000
Speaker 1: an Elk. I mean, I know they're smart, they can

1759
01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:46,280
Speaker 1: see good. But in that set up, like as long

1760
01:22:46,320 --> 01:22:48,920
Speaker 1: as I don't move and and like make I kind

1761
01:22:48,920 --> 01:22:53,120
Speaker 1: of I can't act with him. We're good. Um. Number

1762
01:22:53,120 --> 01:22:57,879
Speaker 1: two is if you're struggling, Um, don't don't commit to

1763
01:22:57,880 --> 01:22:59,960
Speaker 1: the spot number. You know, google Earth on x map

1764
01:23:00,560 --> 01:23:02,800
Speaker 1: and don't be afraid. It's kind of a combo. Get

1765
01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:06,519
Speaker 1: out and use the night time to night locate. Everybody

1766
01:23:06,520 --> 01:23:09,360
Speaker 1: wants to be in bed, eat dinner the magical hour.

1767
01:23:09,439 --> 01:23:12,200
Speaker 1: If you cannot get something going, go out and bugle

1768
01:23:12,240 --> 01:23:15,120
Speaker 1: from ten o'clock to midnight somewhere in your unit, and

1769
01:23:15,160 --> 01:23:17,479
Speaker 1: I guarantee you you have a play or two or

1770
01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:21,759
Speaker 1: three or four for the next morning. Um, everybody's I'm like, hey,

1771
01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:23,920
Speaker 1: I'd much rather take a nap under the tree from

1772
01:23:23,920 --> 01:23:26,200
Speaker 1: tender noon if nothing's going on, and save my energy,

1773
01:23:26,560 --> 01:23:29,000
Speaker 1: eat dinner and then either go drive around, go hiker

1774
01:23:29,040 --> 01:23:32,160
Speaker 1: ridge out, go hiker trail, and just rip bugles from

1775
01:23:32,200 --> 01:23:36,200
Speaker 1: ten to twelve. And I garn the midnight ten at night,

1776
01:23:36,640 --> 01:23:38,479
Speaker 1: so night. So I'm gonna take my nap in the

1777
01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:41,120
Speaker 1: midday instead of hunt to make sure I'm not tired.

1778
01:23:41,280 --> 01:23:42,800
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna go bugle from ten at night to

1779
01:23:42,840 --> 01:23:46,720
Speaker 1: maybe So you'd rather sleep ten am to noon in

1780
01:23:46,840 --> 01:23:51,160
Speaker 1: order to make up for the fact ten pm midnight,

1781
01:23:51,640 --> 01:23:53,840
Speaker 1: make sure when you get one to respond, do not

1782
01:23:54,520 --> 01:23:56,479
Speaker 1: resist the urge to keep bagling and getting him the

1783
01:23:56,520 --> 01:24:00,080
Speaker 1: sound off. Just it's nice. You cannot do anything about it.

1784
01:24:00,160 --> 01:24:02,320
Speaker 1: You know he's there. He's nobody else is crazy enough

1785
01:24:02,360 --> 01:24:05,320
Speaker 1: to be you out being at night. You've got him located.

1786
01:24:05,360 --> 01:24:08,719
Speaker 1: Typically he will be within four yards max. Of that area.

1787
01:24:08,760 --> 01:24:11,320
Speaker 1: He's usually out to feed. Then, um, he'll be there

1788
01:24:11,320 --> 01:24:13,639
Speaker 1: in the morning. I'm gonna gives you a for sure

1789
01:24:13,680 --> 01:24:16,080
Speaker 1: play makes because we really got so many days and mornings.

1790
01:24:16,120 --> 01:24:17,800
Speaker 1: You want to make sure you have a play every

1791
01:24:17,840 --> 01:24:20,600
Speaker 1: morning and almost every night, so that guarantees I'm at

1792
01:24:20,680 --> 01:24:25,000
Speaker 1: least on an elk that that next morning. Ump. That

1793
01:24:25,080 --> 01:24:26,960
Speaker 1: was my That was one of my tips, Like, it's

1794
01:24:26,960 --> 01:24:29,240
Speaker 1: not necessarily a you know, I do this, but it's

1795
01:24:29,280 --> 01:24:31,280
Speaker 1: something that everybody should be doing. Unless you're just covered

1796
01:24:31,360 --> 01:24:33,000
Speaker 1: up in bowls all day long, then there's no need

1797
01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:36,800
Speaker 1: to do it. Uh. Number three, it all comes down

1798
01:24:36,840 --> 01:24:40,519
Speaker 1: to wind. Um, we're back to set up and this

1799
01:24:40,600 --> 01:24:43,760
Speaker 1: is really where I said up an approach. Yeah, I

1800
01:24:43,800 --> 01:24:46,960
Speaker 1: think everybody fails in that set up. But the wind.

1801
01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:49,160
Speaker 1: We always get the wind right, and if you have

1802
01:24:49,200 --> 01:24:51,479
Speaker 1: the wind perfect on your nose, that bowl is typically

1803
01:24:51,479 --> 01:24:54,120
Speaker 1: going to come in straight on if you can use

1804
01:24:54,120 --> 01:24:56,519
Speaker 1: the wind as a steering wheel to help yourself out.

1805
01:24:56,600 --> 01:24:58,040
Speaker 1: So if I have the wind that hits, say my

1806
01:24:58,160 --> 01:25:00,800
Speaker 1: cheek a thirty or forty five agree angle, I still

1807
01:25:00,840 --> 01:25:04,360
Speaker 1: got plenty of of conservancy built into my setup. But

1808
01:25:04,400 --> 01:25:06,920
Speaker 1: I'm now just guaranteed that if I'm facing the bull,

1809
01:25:07,200 --> 01:25:09,280
Speaker 1: the winds hitting me on the right cheek, that that

1810
01:25:09,320 --> 01:25:11,760
Speaker 1: bowl is now gonna come to my left. And we'll

1811
01:25:11,800 --> 01:25:14,320
Speaker 1: sometimes because he wants to circle down wind, he wants

1812
01:25:14,320 --> 01:25:16,599
Speaker 1: to get wind on you, and so by doing a

1813
01:25:16,600 --> 01:25:18,160
Speaker 1: lot of times, we'll even make a call and then

1814
01:25:18,200 --> 01:25:19,800
Speaker 1: move a little bit. So we'll make a call and

1815
01:25:19,800 --> 01:25:21,519
Speaker 1: then move into the wind, so we know that he's

1816
01:25:21,520 --> 01:25:24,880
Speaker 1: gonna basically j hook or you know, half moon right

1817
01:25:24,920 --> 01:25:28,560
Speaker 1: into us. Um, so that's something in the setup. Or

1818
01:25:28,600 --> 01:25:30,840
Speaker 1: if you have a caller, say that same winds hit

1819
01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:33,000
Speaker 1: my right cheek, if that collar backs up maybe just

1820
01:25:33,080 --> 01:25:36,679
Speaker 1: fifteen yards to my to my uh you know, four o'clock,

1821
01:25:36,680 --> 01:25:40,040
Speaker 1: my three thirty from where I'm located, he's gonna drag

1822
01:25:40,080 --> 01:25:42,759
Speaker 1: that bull right into me. Now, Albeit we can't control

1823
01:25:42,760 --> 01:25:44,679
Speaker 1: whether that bull wants to make a hundred fifty yards circle,

1824
01:25:44,680 --> 01:25:47,720
Speaker 1: a hundred yards circle or fifty yard circle. You know, Um,

1825
01:25:47,880 --> 01:25:49,640
Speaker 1: it's it still may not be enough, but I can

1826
01:25:49,680 --> 01:25:54,240
Speaker 1: at least guarantee that bull well guarantee most of the time, Um,

1827
01:25:54,320 --> 01:25:57,160
Speaker 1: that that bulll is gonna come broadside through my shooters location.

1828
01:25:57,680 --> 01:25:59,800
Speaker 1: You know, Um, just for setup, and that's gonna help

1829
01:25:59,800 --> 01:26:02,519
Speaker 1: all hime, because I honestly think a lot of hunters

1830
01:26:02,520 --> 01:26:05,519
Speaker 1: out there, they've got the locating down there in good areas.

1831
01:26:05,560 --> 01:26:07,799
Speaker 1: They can do everything right. They can even call decent

1832
01:26:07,880 --> 01:26:09,880
Speaker 1: enough to call these things in. They just fell at

1833
01:26:09,880 --> 01:26:12,120
Speaker 1: the setup and and you hear these story after story

1834
01:26:12,200 --> 01:26:14,360
Speaker 1: like I just everything nuts. I just couldn't get a

1835
01:26:14,360 --> 01:26:18,880
Speaker 1: shot all year, and yeah, either hang ups or just

1836
01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:20,880
Speaker 1: stuff's not working. And so I really think it comes

1837
01:26:20,880 --> 01:26:22,760
Speaker 1: down to that setup and then using the wind to

1838
01:26:22,760 --> 01:26:25,240
Speaker 1: get him to a spot where where you can get

1839
01:26:25,240 --> 01:26:31,080
Speaker 1: a shot. Any last thoughts, No, I'm we're gonna talk.

1840
01:26:31,080 --> 01:26:32,960
Speaker 1: You could do a good ELK take this year, and

1841
01:26:32,960 --> 01:26:34,799
Speaker 1: I get a quick one. I got a quick question,

1842
01:26:35,120 --> 01:26:37,400
Speaker 1: just like how do I get that higher pitch you're

1843
01:26:37,400 --> 01:26:39,800
Speaker 1: talking about? It's gonna help me get more locateds what

1844
01:26:39,880 --> 01:26:41,800
Speaker 1: I needed to do. So as a caller, there's there's

1845
01:26:41,800 --> 01:26:45,479
Speaker 1: two factors that that play into. There's there's air that

1846
01:26:45,520 --> 01:26:47,040
Speaker 1: you can put across the reed, and there's pressure you

1847
01:26:47,080 --> 01:26:51,120
Speaker 1: can apply with your tongue. Um, So it's kind of

1848
01:26:51,200 --> 01:26:52,759
Speaker 1: and and a lot of us call. With the balance

1849
01:26:52,800 --> 01:26:54,519
Speaker 1: of that, you're you're applying a little bit of both.

1850
01:26:54,760 --> 01:26:57,519
Speaker 1: So you're gonna want either more pressure. But if that

1851
01:26:57,640 --> 01:27:00,240
Speaker 1: locks the call out, you need to you maybe as

1852
01:27:00,479 --> 01:27:04,200
Speaker 1: maybe it locks out like breaks you lose that note. Ye,

1853
01:27:04,600 --> 01:27:06,439
Speaker 1: So then you're like, all right, I can't any more pressure.

1854
01:27:06,479 --> 01:27:08,800
Speaker 1: I need to just put more air across. If that

1855
01:27:08,880 --> 01:27:11,280
Speaker 1: doesn't work, I would highly recommend moving the call in

1856
01:27:11,280 --> 01:27:13,960
Speaker 1: your mouth a little bit, either forward or back, and

1857
01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:16,960
Speaker 1: finding a spot that maybe allows, uh, you know, some

1858
01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:19,160
Speaker 1: pressure to hit it a little bit different. Can I

1859
01:27:19,240 --> 01:27:20,720
Speaker 1: give you one see if you can tell me what

1860
01:27:20,920 --> 01:27:24,080
Speaker 1: which one I need to do? So this is Yanni

1861
01:27:24,160 --> 01:27:27,919
Speaker 1: ripping a brand new Phelps out of the package, Signature

1862
01:27:28,000 --> 01:27:33,360
Speaker 1: series out of the package brand new Phelps too. I

1863
01:27:33,439 --> 01:27:35,200
Speaker 1: like these bugle and tubes that are like a small

1864
01:27:35,280 --> 01:27:37,240
Speaker 1: or more packable tube because a lot of times you

1865
01:27:37,240 --> 01:27:40,280
Speaker 1: look at the damn tube, right you can you can

1866
01:27:40,360 --> 01:27:42,800
Speaker 1: carry this thing in your cargo pocket. That's where mine

1867
01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:45,280
Speaker 1: might be. It fits in. I designed it to be

1868
01:27:45,320 --> 01:27:48,000
Speaker 1: the same size. It will fit in a normal this

1869
01:27:48,160 --> 01:27:53,360
Speaker 1: a small water bottle, and then and then and then

1870
01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:55,519
Speaker 1: it'll you don't even need anything else attached. It'll literally

1871
01:27:55,520 --> 01:27:57,040
Speaker 1: just stuff in the water with this new little one

1872
01:27:57,080 --> 01:28:11,479
Speaker 1: called the unrivaled tube. V m h m hm. Let

1873
01:28:11,479 --> 01:28:15,800
Speaker 1: me tell you, good Yana story. We're hunting out you got.

1874
01:28:15,800 --> 01:28:16,800
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was a read. The one

1875
01:28:16,800 --> 01:28:19,320
Speaker 1: you biggled on before they started hit a lower pitch,

1876
01:28:19,320 --> 01:28:21,599
Speaker 1: but that one seemed to definitely go high enough. Well, yeah,

1877
01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:25,559
Speaker 1: that's it's a year old read. That was That was good? Really,

1878
01:28:25,800 --> 01:28:28,200
Speaker 1: you might you probably made me just sound bad. Let

1879
01:28:28,200 --> 01:28:32,160
Speaker 1: me tell story. We're on out in Kentucky and one

1880
01:28:32,200 --> 01:28:33,800
Speaker 1: day we're just out and it's kind of got like

1881
01:28:33,880 --> 01:28:36,519
Speaker 1: middle of day old rooms, you know, and we sat

1882
01:28:36,640 --> 01:28:39,960
Speaker 1: like eight lunch not being because we were in like

1883
01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:42,000
Speaker 1: kind of like checking out this other area. We weren't

1884
01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:43,639
Speaker 1: even like serious about what he was having to wander

1885
01:28:43,680 --> 01:28:46,719
Speaker 1: in this area to see what's going on, saying eight lunch,

1886
01:28:47,360 --> 01:28:51,920
Speaker 1: shooting the ship okay, and then he just decided the

1887
01:28:51,960 --> 01:28:56,400
Speaker 1: rip of people more just like whatever, and also walks

1888
01:28:56,400 --> 01:29:01,360
Speaker 1: into us. He'd been lander listening to our conversation. It

1889
01:29:01,360 --> 01:29:03,840
Speaker 1: just comes right in and then here's the Kentucky out

1890
01:29:04,120 --> 01:29:06,160
Speaker 1: and here's a bugle, and all of a sudden stands up.

1891
01:29:06,160 --> 01:29:08,120
Speaker 1: And also somebody hears the noise and it'll just walks

1892
01:29:08,200 --> 01:29:11,040
Speaker 1: up to us. That's awesome. We've we've we've had a

1893
01:29:11,080 --> 01:29:12,840
Speaker 1: lot of lunch. A matter of fact, that two does

1894
01:29:12,880 --> 01:29:14,639
Speaker 1: a lot of lunch bowls. A lot of lunch bowls

1895
01:29:15,240 --> 01:29:17,280
Speaker 1: are nat bowls where we're just napping in like one

1896
01:29:17,320 --> 01:29:19,600
Speaker 1: of us like, do you hear that? How's a raven? No,

1897
01:29:19,680 --> 01:29:22,680
Speaker 1: it wasn't get up, Maybe let a little calcol and

1898
01:29:22,720 --> 01:29:24,360
Speaker 1: then he hammers back. You're like, oh shoot, you know

1899
01:29:24,439 --> 01:29:27,160
Speaker 1: everybody's running to get get set up. But we've called

1900
01:29:27,240 --> 01:29:29,439
Speaker 1: multiple bowls lunch. You're just because you're a little more

1901
01:29:29,840 --> 01:29:31,400
Speaker 1: you're just listening to hanging out and you get a

1902
01:29:31,400 --> 01:29:33,639
Speaker 1: bold answer and you'll call him in. Right there, we're

1903
01:29:33,680 --> 01:29:36,320
Speaker 1: eating lunch. It's just it's crazy. Um, you know when

1904
01:29:36,320 --> 01:29:39,320
Speaker 1: and how but that that midday. If you can get

1905
01:29:39,320 --> 01:29:42,360
Speaker 1: a bowl to answer ten to two, your chances are good.

1906
01:29:42,400 --> 01:29:46,559
Speaker 1: It's just like hunting turkeys. Good sounds like you're hunting turkey.

1907
01:29:46,680 --> 01:29:50,240
Speaker 1: A quick question on this uh this tube? Why is

1908
01:29:50,280 --> 01:29:51,920
Speaker 1: it not just a straight pipe on the end. Why

1909
01:29:51,920 --> 01:29:54,160
Speaker 1: does it roll in? Is that for like reverberation for

1910
01:29:54,280 --> 01:29:58,639
Speaker 1: back pressure. So you can take a one and half

1911
01:29:58,640 --> 01:30:01,880
Speaker 1: inch diameter PBC pipe and blow through it, but there's

1912
01:30:01,880 --> 01:30:03,599
Speaker 1: no resistance. Nobody. You can go down to a one

1913
01:30:03,640 --> 01:30:05,640
Speaker 1: inch and there's no resistance, or three quarters and you

1914
01:30:06,120 --> 01:30:08,400
Speaker 1: or you can take like my my big tube or

1915
01:30:08,439 --> 01:30:10,320
Speaker 1: that that new and rival tube that's a four inch

1916
01:30:10,400 --> 01:30:12,960
Speaker 1: diameter tube and you have to blow a quarter of

1917
01:30:12,960 --> 01:30:14,760
Speaker 1: the air through this as you do a one inch

1918
01:30:14,840 --> 01:30:17,120
Speaker 1: piece PBC pipe. It all has to do with the

1919
01:30:17,120 --> 01:30:19,280
Speaker 1: back pressure. And what that does is when you get

1920
01:30:19,360 --> 01:30:21,400
Speaker 1: up and grab that high note that we were just

1921
01:30:21,439 --> 01:30:23,960
Speaker 1: talking about, it just kind of sits there for you.

1922
01:30:24,040 --> 01:30:26,400
Speaker 1: It's easy to hold that note instead of wavering versus

1923
01:30:26,400 --> 01:30:29,360
Speaker 1: if I had, you know, a straight piece of corrugated pipe.

1924
01:30:29,400 --> 01:30:31,719
Speaker 1: It's very very difficult, even for a guy like myself

1925
01:30:31,760 --> 01:30:34,000
Speaker 1: that can control that high note to sit there and

1926
01:30:34,040 --> 01:30:36,800
Speaker 1: hold it and put enough air across that. So that's

1927
01:30:36,800 --> 01:30:38,639
Speaker 1: why we kind of, you know, one of the things

1928
01:30:38,640 --> 01:30:40,200
Speaker 1: we've did on both these tubes as we kind of

1929
01:30:40,240 --> 01:30:42,559
Speaker 1: overcut the end to provide their right amount of back

1930
01:30:42,560 --> 01:30:44,720
Speaker 1: pressure on the little tube. It was a little more

1931
01:30:44,720 --> 01:30:46,800
Speaker 1: difficult because you don't want to give up too much volume.

1932
01:30:46,800 --> 01:30:49,200
Speaker 1: The smaller you make that whole, the less volume you

1933
01:30:49,240 --> 01:30:50,599
Speaker 1: get out of it. So it's kind of a balance

1934
01:30:50,640 --> 01:30:53,160
Speaker 1: of let's make sure there's enough back pressure that we

1935
01:30:53,200 --> 01:30:55,240
Speaker 1: can run the call versus still get enough volume that

1936
01:30:55,280 --> 01:30:58,040
Speaker 1: it's effective enough to pack around in the in the woods.

1937
01:30:58,320 --> 01:31:00,400
Speaker 1: And you're just selling calls like a mofa right now,

1938
01:31:00,400 --> 01:31:03,320
Speaker 1: like people are ordering right now. It is absolute, it

1939
01:31:03,400 --> 01:31:06,479
Speaker 1: is thinking about it. It's it's awesome. I can't can't

1940
01:31:06,479 --> 01:31:08,640
Speaker 1: say anything else. Uh, my wife and mom, I think

1941
01:31:08,640 --> 01:31:11,080
Speaker 1: you're ready for uh for the middle October since they're

1942
01:31:11,120 --> 01:31:13,879
Speaker 1: managing most of it. But it's it's been an incredible

1943
01:31:13,920 --> 01:31:16,240
Speaker 1: year for us. When when does when do people start

1944
01:31:16,240 --> 01:31:18,000
Speaker 1: getting fired up about buying calls and when do they

1945
01:31:18,040 --> 01:31:20,760
Speaker 1: kind of forget about it? July? I always at the

1946
01:31:20,760 --> 01:31:24,080
Speaker 1: fourth of July is kind of the big the big bump,

1947
01:31:24,160 --> 01:31:25,479
Speaker 1: and we can see it in our numbers for the

1948
01:31:25,520 --> 01:31:29,960
Speaker 1: last four years. Light off all their fireworks. They're ready.

1949
01:31:30,320 --> 01:31:32,120
Speaker 1: You see a little bit of a bump um you

1950
01:31:32,160 --> 01:31:33,760
Speaker 1: know when the draw start. But draws are kind of

1951
01:31:33,760 --> 01:31:37,240
Speaker 1: all across the board, so you also people start pulling tags. Yeah,

1952
01:31:37,240 --> 01:31:40,560
Speaker 1: they get serious all of a sudden. Um, July and

1953
01:31:40,600 --> 01:31:42,639
Speaker 1: August have always been our best month. So August has

1954
01:31:42,680 --> 01:31:44,559
Speaker 1: been the best month the last two years. So it's

1955
01:31:44,840 --> 01:31:48,040
Speaker 1: right now is really at the height of UM. And

1956
01:31:48,080 --> 01:31:50,479
Speaker 1: then you've got the difference in we sell the vendors

1957
01:31:50,960 --> 01:31:53,040
Speaker 1: versus selling off of our website. The vendors have already

1958
01:31:53,080 --> 01:31:54,960
Speaker 1: kind of preloaded a lot of their stuff they needed

1959
01:31:55,040 --> 01:31:57,080
Speaker 1: in the story. This thing about the difference, and so

1960
01:31:57,120 --> 01:31:59,200
Speaker 1: the vendors may start to tail off a little bit

1961
01:31:59,200 --> 01:32:03,920
Speaker 1: where our website they're kind of crossing. UM. So it's

1962
01:32:03,920 --> 01:32:06,439
Speaker 1: been good. I'm I'm ready for September and I'm not

1963
01:32:06,479 --> 01:32:11,800
Speaker 1: gonna lie. Yeah, to take off. Jason Phelps Phelps game

1964
01:32:11,880 --> 01:32:17,160
Speaker 1: calls as usual. Thank you for coming on, man, thanks

1965
01:32:17,200 --> 01:32:18,920
Speaker 1: for having It's always very informative.