1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. You 2 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: hopefully know what that music means. Folks. That's right, welcome 3 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: back to Ridiculous History. Thank you so much for tuning in. 4 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:36,239 Speaker 1: My name is Ben, My name is Nu Ben. You 5 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: know what stresses me out more than anything in the 6 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: whole wide world is moving? Yeah, you know it is, baby, 7 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: You know it is you. That's right, because you're like 8 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: most people, you're someone who doesn't enjoy moving. I love moving, 9 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 1: which I've been told is somewhat anomalous. A minute that 10 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 1: I thought you just liked helping other people move. I 11 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 1: like moving my stuff. I like helping other people move 12 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 1: when they are organized. And on top up of it, 13 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 1: now to trade spots. What's that? It's just trade spots. 14 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 1: What do you mean trades? Apartment? Oh? I really like 15 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 1: my apartment now. Yeah, sometimes I move stuff just from 16 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 1: one room to another in my apartment, you know, and 17 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 1: I'll say, hey, what if this was the bedroom instead 18 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: of the living room. Interesting, it's organized chaos. Uh. And 19 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: speaking of chaos and organization, let's give a big shout 20 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 1: out to our third half of Ridiculous History. Uh. The 21 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: man behind the curtain, the man who organizes all this 22 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 1: chaos into something that sounds approximately like a podcast super 23 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: producer Casey Pegrum. You know, you got me thinking. I 24 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 1: really like the idea of ridiculous history being considered an organization. 25 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 1: And Casey is the head. Of course, Casey's the head. 26 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: We need his international connects because all of mine are illicit, 27 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 1: or a lot of his are not necessarily entirely above board. 28 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 1: His life is LaBouche. As we know, it's quite a 29 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: shadowy existence. Zaboosh is a different entity. We've established that, right, 30 00:01:56,600 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: Maybe we uh, maybe we when we move International League 31 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 1: can acquire uh some new monikers, or maybe I'll pick 32 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: up some of my old personas we don't want that 33 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 1: honestly or whoever. Yes, so I think we're going somewhere though, uh, 34 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 1: somewhere interesting because as soon as we mentioned moving, a 35 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: lot of our fellow listeners probably felt their stomach drop 36 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 1: and they got a little palpitation in their heartbeat, because 37 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 1: study show that most people hate moving. Yeah, it's it's 38 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: like on par with like losing a loved one in 39 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 1: terms of the amount of stress that it imparts. Yeah, 40 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: and there's this nightmare if we're thinking of logistics there's 41 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: also a lot of heart wrenching emotional stuff because we 42 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: invest so much meaning in these objects, and then we 43 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:53,399 Speaker 1: have to all this sudden take these objects and evaluate. Uh. 44 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:55,920 Speaker 1: You know, sometimes we have to move to a smaller place. 45 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 1: We have to move somewhere far away such that we 46 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: can't take everything. And we have to think between these 47 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 1: two things that I love and you know, one in 48 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: my left hand one of my right hand, Which one 49 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 1: do I love more? Which one do I love less? 50 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: It's arrowing which one sparks more joy? That's very Condo 51 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: would say, yeah, yeah, And there's some there's some sand, 52 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: there's some validity to that. It's also before we get 53 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 1: started today, I gotta tell you, I don't know if 54 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 1: I ever talked to you about this off air housewarmings. 55 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: What's your take on housewarmings. It's interesting. It's sort of 56 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 1: like you got rid of all your stuff. You didn't 57 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: want to hear some more stuff. You probably are going 58 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: to go round. So we have talked about this, then, No, 59 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 1: maybe we're just on the same page, okay, man, unless 60 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: unless we're on opposite ends. No, No, I love housewarmings 61 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 1: because of the absurdity. It's I love that we have 62 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 1: this thing, at least in Western culture, maybe even just 63 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: in US culture, where we say, okay, it's been a 64 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: few weeks since you had to look at literally every 65 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 1: possession in your life and throw some of it away. Uh, 66 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 1: And since you just figured out how much stuff you have, 67 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: I wanted to give you more stuff. As a matter 68 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: of fact, for bonus points. Here's a plant. I want 69 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: to give you, not just a gift, but a responsibility 70 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: homework assignment. You know, there should be housewarming registries like 71 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: there are for for for marriages. That's a great idea 72 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 1: because then you can get just the stuff that you 73 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 1: actually need or maybe that you are lacking or you 74 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: threw too much stuff away. And now you realize, I 75 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 1: don't have nearly enough pot holders, you know, right, right right? 76 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 1: I thought I had. I thought I was the emperor 77 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 1: of potholders. Now am potholder lists gotta have at least two. Yeah, yeah, 78 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: that's how pots work. So all this to say, moving 79 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: obviously is a lot of emotional, physical, mental things wrapped 80 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:43,720 Speaker 1: up in it. And that was absolutely the case. Uh 81 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:47,239 Speaker 1: in New York City for around two hundred years, where 82 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: the busiest day in the city that never sleeps wasn't 83 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 1: around the holidays. In fact, it was May the first, 84 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 1: when at nine am on the top every single person 85 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 1: in New York City's East for their apartments expired at 86 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 1: the same time, and a burst of genius, who or 87 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 1: whatever city planner came up with this concept. Yes, and 88 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 1: we have the history to that this should seem strange 89 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:16,840 Speaker 1: to you. We know that here in the US, on average, 90 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: more than forty million people move each year, and eight 91 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 1: percent of those moves occur kind of the same clindrical 92 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 1: area between April and September. But nobody has this one 93 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: day anymore. No city has this one day where everything 94 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: goes bananas on May one at nine am. As you said, 95 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 1: for several centuries, these horses and carriages would choke the roads. 96 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:48,279 Speaker 1: You couldn't move anywhere. There were beds, bureaus, people's furniture 97 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: all around, alleys, their belongings, piles of clothes and stuff 98 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 1: spilled into the streets, rich, poor, one neighborhood another neighborhood. 99 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: It didn't matter. We actually have a firsthand account of 100 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: this from eighteen thirty four when Davy Crockett, Yes, the 101 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:11,239 Speaker 1: Davy Crockett said it seemed to me that the city 102 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 1: was flying before some awful calamity, which, to be fair, 103 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 1: it was. It was freaking moving day and that's about 104 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 1: as calamitous as it gets. Um. All this from a 105 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:25,279 Speaker 1: fantastic mental Fluss article by Lucas Riley, New York City's 106 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 1: most moving tradition. Uh yeah, it's good. Um. Fantastic illustration 107 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:33,359 Speaker 1: on this article, which you can find at mental fluss 108 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 1: dot com, of of this chaos in question, there's like 109 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 1: a parrot flying away with his own birdcage, mattresses being 110 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 1: thrown out of windows and then belonging to being bounced 111 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 1: off of mattresses, the whole horse and buggy situation in question. 112 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:49,039 Speaker 1: Um you know, tables, uh, coming out of windows with 113 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: a woman and an address hanging from the end of 114 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 1: piano loaded with everything from grandfather Clock's the other household 115 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 1: at as being lowered down on rope. Obviously it's more 116 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: of a cartoonish character nation of this, but it's a 117 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 1: really really kind of cool image to get a mental 118 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:07,159 Speaker 1: picture of the kind of craziness that would Can you 119 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: imagine so many people living in a such a packed, 120 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: densely packed city like that, It would have absolutely been bedlam. 121 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 1: The closest I can come to a real world experience 122 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 1: of that would be an evacuation situation, which is totally 123 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 1: different or and this might be familiar to a lot 124 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 1: of us listening today, moving in college dorm rooms or residencies, 125 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 1: because depending on where you went to college, you may 126 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: have been in a situation where you were required to 127 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: move all your junk out, you know, once per quarter 128 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 1: or semester. Um, Casey, did you ever stay at dorms 129 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: when you were at Georgia State? Right? Yeah, I was 130 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: here for a couple of years. Yeah, like not a 131 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: Georgia State for a couple of years, but in the 132 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 1: dorms for a couple of years. Okay, did you did 133 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 1: you ever have to move stuff around or out like 134 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: during the school year or is it just once a year? 135 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: Just once a year? But um, yeah, I mean I 136 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: never look forward to moving day, certainly, and it was 137 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: definitely one day, right, yeah, it was all one day. 138 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 1: So it was kind of you know, you had you 139 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: knew you had to get all done, and it was 140 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: a little stressful all that. Casey on the case. Now, 141 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 1: imagine an entire city doing that. First things first, this 142 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 1: seems like a terrible idea, why on earth would you 143 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: subject millions of people to this hellish experience. Well, as 144 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 1: it turns out, there is a tail that leads us 145 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: to this problem. According to city metric dot com, which 146 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: has a great explanation of this, the Encyclopedia of New 147 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 1: York City claims that that date, the first of May, 148 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: was chosen to link with the celebration of May Day 149 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 1: over in England. And then others are more specific, you know, 150 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: other sources, and they say that this is uh some 151 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: kind of descendant from affair that English servants would attend 152 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 1: to find new boss's new employers. And then another guess 153 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 1: is that the date was chosen as uh memorial, a 154 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 1: commemoration of sorts, rather to commemorate Dutch colonizers who set 155 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: out for Manhattan on May one. So they didn't really 156 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 1: have the the exact cause for this nailed down, but 157 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 1: they did have an interesting legend in the city. Yes, 158 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: it's a little bit of a snoozer of a legend, 159 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 1: but we'll give it to you anyway. Um. The legend 160 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 1: says that on May Day was when Henry Hudson and 161 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 1: his Dutch crew set out for Manhattan on the have 162 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 1: man Um that wasn't infect true, But the New Yorkers 163 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: actually celebrated that voyage by going on trips every year 164 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:46,679 Speaker 1: of their own and trying to settle other places themselves. Yeah, 165 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: so this feels like, you know, people call it a legend, 166 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 1: but it feels more like one of those uh factoids 167 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 1: that someone will spout and someone else'll say, well, that 168 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: sounds true, you know what I mean? Uh fun fact 169 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 1: By the way, about the word factoid, it's often misused. 170 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 1: A factoid technically means an assumption or speculation that's reported 171 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 1: and repeated so often that it becomes accepted as fact 172 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 1: without actually being one. You know what them, I'm still 173 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 1: like it. I'm still going to use it. Well, it's 174 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 1: also a living language, so if enough people use it. 175 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 1: I mean that's why Peru's means two different things. Yes, 176 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 1: its own opposite. So to me, a factoid is a 177 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 1: little bit e fact. It's a little nugget of fact. 178 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 1: Why do you call it like a factito? I like 179 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 1: that too. About a factotum, A factotum is I think 180 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: a little bit different. What is a factotum? Absolutely is? 181 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 1: It's a book by Charles Bakowski. That's true. A factotum 182 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 1: is a person with many diverse activities and responsibilities. So 183 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 1: we three are fact totem are fact totems, so we 184 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 1: have a better guess for the cause of this, uh, 185 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 1: the cause of this catastrophic annual moving day. We think 186 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: it started in New York's colonial period in the eighteenth century. 187 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 1: A guy named John Pintard was a founder of the 188 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 1: New York Historical Society, was writing to his daughter and 189 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: he said that the city's practice of all moving on 190 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 1: one day is of an ancient custom, and when the 191 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 1: city was small and inhabitants few, so it just kind 192 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 1: of became this tradition they were locked into. But it 193 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: entered into the legal world. In eighteen twenty there was 194 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 1: a law that was passed that said, quote, every lease 195 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 1: shall be deemed and held valid until the first day 196 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:47,559 Speaker 1: of May. And this was on the books for eight years. 197 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: But even after it was repealed, people kept up with 198 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:55,559 Speaker 1: his practice. Landlord still had all the leases go up 199 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 1: on May. You know, right, But isn't there also the 200 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 1: idea that it was very first known as rent Day, 201 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 1: would be when people would be notified of the new 202 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 1: rents for the subsequent year, which would then go into 203 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 1: effect on May first, so give them a couple of 204 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 1: months to kind of decide whether they wanted to stay 205 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:14,439 Speaker 1: or go, if they could afford it or not. Very 206 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: important distinction too, because we're not saying that everybody in 207 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: the city had to move. We're saying that anybody who 208 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 1: was going to move in the city was going to 209 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: do it on May one. So it's so it's not 210 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 1: the whole city, it's just everyone in the city who's moving. 211 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 1: And this meant that, like, as this practice kept going 212 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:40,679 Speaker 1: and the city kept growing, the math became precarious and intimidating. 213 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 1: By the early nineteen hundreds, a million people would take 214 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 1: to the streets on May one. That's right, one million. 215 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 1: We pulled up you know, New York Times. I just 216 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: want to take a second. I'm not blowing smoke here. 217 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 1: The New York Times is so cool, it's so worth 218 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:02,199 Speaker 1: the subscription. And in my opinion, that's not an ad 219 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: for them. I'm just saying it's neat to be able 220 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: to look up all these old reports from the early 221 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 1: nineteen hundreds. So the interesting thing about this nineteen nineteen 222 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 1: piece is that while people were organizing, while there were 223 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 1: businesses that would just dedicate themselves to helping people move, 224 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 1: and while people tried their best to plan ahead, it 225 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 1: was just a matter of too much stuff and too 226 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 1: many people. It's a fact that, you know, two items 227 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 1: cannot occupy the same space at the same time. There 228 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 1: just wasn't enough room for everyone to move. And we 229 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:42,559 Speaker 1: saw that despite all of the efforts, the good faith 230 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 1: efforts of tenants, landlords, moving companies and so on, a 231 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 1: lot of stuff would still be damaged, some stuff would disappear. 232 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:53,559 Speaker 1: Can you imagine how much stuff got stolen or destroyed? No, 233 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 1: I mean again, like you're a lot of the these 234 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 1: services are probably very ad hoc, you know, um, I 235 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 1: think originally a lot it was a much more of 236 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 1: a ramshackle kind of a fair with like very you know, 237 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 1: sort of stitched together like moving carts and horses and wagons. 238 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: You know, everyone couldn't afford to hire a team to 239 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: help them move. I mean they had to just kind 240 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 1: of do it as they were able to do it 241 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: with whatever means they could. And I think you know, 242 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 1: over time, by that nineteen nineteen article that things were 243 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 1: a little bit more organized. But no, it's true, Ben, 244 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 1: I mean think about you know, the rideshare economy or 245 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 1: give economy of today. This would have been like that, 246 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 1: but much less regulatable obviously, and who knows if you 247 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 1: were hiring someone who is trustworthy. You know, you would 248 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 1: have been doing it out of desperation, and likely your 249 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 1: stuff might not have made it to where it was going, 250 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: or it might have ended up smashed to bits. Right, Yeah, 251 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: there's that. There's a quote from that piece where they say, 252 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 1: we still don't know how much of the furniture would 253 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: reach its destination. Is furniture, that's how much as fire would. 254 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 1: Let's pause for a minute, because one thing that people 255 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 1: hate about moving is the inconvenience, but also the time 256 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 1: they have to spend on it, you know what I mean. 257 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 1: And you're like lugging stuff around. You have to prepare 258 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 1: in advance. There are a hundred things you have to 259 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: be aware of. 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We're gonna 321 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:28,120 Speaker 1: play with chronology because we want to give you, uh, 322 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 1: we want to give you some visceral images of just 323 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:38,680 Speaker 1: how profoundly messed up in cartoonish this was. Yeah, there's 324 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 1: a writer by the name of Francis Trollop fabulous name 325 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:48,199 Speaker 1: who described this scene of the moving experience in eighteen 326 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 1: thirty two as quote, a population flying from the plague 327 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 1: very much matches up with our boy Davy Crockett, king 328 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 1: of the wild Frontier himself, and he would have seen 329 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 1: some stuff out there in the on tier and in battle, 330 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:05,920 Speaker 1: and he was taken aback by this um pandemonium as well. 331 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:07,919 Speaker 1: We've got some other accounts, as a lawyer by the 332 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 1: name of George Templeton Strong who kept a very detailed 333 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:15,399 Speaker 1: diary UM, a daily daily entries, and and for for 334 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: this uh particular entry, he wrote, every other house seems 335 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:25,399 Speaker 1: to be disgorging itself into as visceral disgorging itself into 336 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 1: the street. All the sidewalks are lumbered with bureaus and bedsteads. 337 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 1: Here's the thing. It wasn't this. This day wasn't just 338 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 1: relegated to folks moving out of houses. Landlords um also 339 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 1: took this as a as a chance to tear down 340 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 1: entire structures, So there were building supplies just like raining 341 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 1: down from the sky. Um. There's a New York City 342 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 1: mayor by the name of Philip Hone who in eighteen 343 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:56,920 Speaker 1: thirty nine described it as brick, bats, rafters, and slates 344 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:00,959 Speaker 1: showering down in every direction. I mean, this is just 345 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 1: like a real scene. Now, we do have a positive 346 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 1: side to this. In the beginning of this May day 347 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:15,640 Speaker 1: moving tradition, a lot of the movers were farmers who 348 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:19,199 Speaker 1: came from Long Island, and they would rent out their wagons. 349 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 1: And then later cartman not related to South Park, like 350 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 1: people who had carts in the city would rent out 351 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 1: their carts and they would make a ton of scratch 352 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 1: with this. And and it's weird because we found this 353 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 1: quote from a guy named Isaac Leon who had a 354 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 1: stand at the corner of Broadway in Houston Streets. This 355 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: from brick Underground dot com. He was writing about the 356 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:51,360 Speaker 1: action in the weeks leading up to the main moving day, 357 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:54,640 Speaker 1: and when he's writing about it, he says, check this out. 358 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 1: During the last two weeks in April of each year, 359 00:20:57,119 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 1: the cartman begin to put on a few extra airs 360 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: and look and act with more importance than at any 361 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:08,200 Speaker 1: other time during the year, because you need me, I'm 362 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 1: moving your stuff. Yeah. So, oh, you were so big, 363 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:14,879 Speaker 1: you were so big and fancy and August, weren't you, buddy? 364 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 1: Wait a minute, so they they started off by kind 365 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 1: of coming in just for the occasion, using from out 366 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 1: of town, and then they stuck around or like it 367 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:27,159 Speaker 1: became more of like a now we're in the moving 368 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 1: business kind of well. As the city grew in population 369 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:34,919 Speaker 1: and as the infrastructure increased, there were more opportunities for 370 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:38,879 Speaker 1: people with carts or haulers or transporters to work year round, 371 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 1: but they all came in such extreme demand. People would 372 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 1: pay week's worth of wages to have someone helped them 373 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: move their schiffer rope. I just I'm finding excuses to 374 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 1: say schiff a rope is just such a fun word. 375 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 1: I actually said schiffer robe last night. I was at 376 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 1: a mutual friend of ours house and he was saying 377 00:21:57,760 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 1: how he was out of firewood, and I said, we'll 378 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 1: go find yourself a shiff robe to bust up, you know, 379 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 1: make make use the firewood. Use that for fun. Thankfully, 380 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 1: I played Atticus Finch in high school. No, yeah, it 381 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 1: was weird. I bet you were good. That's very kind 382 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 1: of Gregory Peck. Did you do it Peck style or 383 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 1: did you do it Ben style? You know, I'm glad 384 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 1: there's not footage of it. I'm sad that there's not 385 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 1: footage of it. I wish there had been the Internet 386 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 1: back in those days, but I'll have to use my imagination. 387 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 1: You have a bit of an Atticus Finch type demeanor 388 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 1: about you anyway. Oh well, thank you. I know I 389 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 1: know that you have a thirst for justice and uh, 390 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:39,360 Speaker 1: protecting the little people. Thanks man. I like to think 391 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 1: everybody does you know what I mean? And I think 392 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:45,400 Speaker 1: I I think the same of you. I I could 393 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,639 Speaker 1: see you now. I step on little people, step on it, 394 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: and I just just to get to the top. Mainly. 395 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:52,919 Speaker 1: You know, you can't get to the top without stepping 396 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 1: on a few heads. But you're not going to be 397 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,400 Speaker 1: happy once you get there. You don't know that. I'm 398 00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,919 Speaker 1: pretty sure I don't know that. I haven't gotten there yet. 399 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 1: Someone else will step on you. It's just people stepping 400 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 1: on each other forever. And then once I get to 401 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,159 Speaker 1: the top, then there's a new top. Then there's a 402 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 1: top above that. You guys, I'm actually completely being facetious. Yeah, yeah, 403 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 1: I think we all know. I'm a nice I'm a 404 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 1: nice you're not. I'm not a stepper on her multi 405 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:19,399 Speaker 1: level marketing type dude, you know. But that being said, 406 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:23,440 Speaker 1: the four of us. You, Casey, myself and you, dear 407 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:28,160 Speaker 1: listener could make a ton of cash if we just 408 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 1: were standing around in the street on May one with 409 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 1: a cart. And this became such a big deal, such 410 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:40,920 Speaker 1: a huge expense and a headache for the good citizens 411 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 1: of New York, that people started thinking there was a 412 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 1: conspiracy afoot. According to Bowery Boys History dot Com, by 413 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:56,399 Speaker 1: the eighteen sixties, this custom was so cemented into the 414 00:23:56,440 --> 00:24:01,160 Speaker 1: culture of New York that people started saying the carmen, 415 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:05,680 Speaker 1: which were like the haulers, the van operators, were working 416 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,199 Speaker 1: with the city in a corrupt way to keep the 417 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:13,200 Speaker 1: practice going because they could increase prices and they could 418 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,120 Speaker 1: gouge people in the weeks before and after May one. 419 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,360 Speaker 1: What's what's neat about this? Uh? And I think this 420 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,359 Speaker 1: is something Gabe brought up, and he said, you know, 421 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:28,400 Speaker 1: we could consider this a nineteenth century version of surge 422 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 1: pricing with Uber, if you guys ever had to get 423 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 1: stuck with a surge price on Uber. It's all about 424 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 1: the supply versus demand. And that's the thing about New 425 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 1: York in general, though. I mean, it's like the demand 426 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 1: is so high for everything that the prices are just 427 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 1: absolutely exorbitant on most things. And I'm picturing this. You know, 428 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 1: I love New York City, and when I was younger, 429 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,199 Speaker 1: I very much wanted to live there, but getting to 430 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 1: go there for work a decent amount, I now realized 431 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,680 Speaker 1: what a survival game it is living there. Like it's 432 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 1: just you know, even just to like go to Ikea 433 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 1: and then you had a car it back on the subway. 434 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 1: You know. Likely if you live on a walk up, 435 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 1: you got a cart it up from stairs. I mean, 436 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,119 Speaker 1: it's just really not not to mention if it's you know, 437 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: winter and the weather's gross. Um. It really is kind 438 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 1: of like, uh, you know, an endurance match of a life, 439 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 1: you know, when you live there, and you really do 440 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,479 Speaker 1: kind of adopt a much more of a um, hustle 441 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,200 Speaker 1: kind of mentality just to like go through your day 442 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,160 Speaker 1: to day life. Um. And it does create some very 443 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 1: resilient and resourceful human people that are New Yorkers, you know, 444 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 1: and I love it very much. But this is kind 445 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 1: of the extreme case study for that, right Yeah. Yeah, 446 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 1: And I agree with you totally. It is true that 447 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 1: we both travel to New York fairly often. And I 448 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,160 Speaker 1: don't know about you, man, but my New York personality 449 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 1: is different from my Atlanta personality. When New York personality 450 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 1: walks a little faster, is more of a get stuff 451 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 1: done kind of dude, because you have to be and 452 00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 1: in this survival game and this endurance run. And I 453 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 1: love the way you described that on moving day on 454 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,399 Speaker 1: May one to New York, a transporter, a cartman, or 455 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 1: a carman could charge any price they wanted. A lot 456 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: of people try to control price, GAUGI, but the movers 457 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,359 Speaker 1: didn't pay much attention to those laws and there was 458 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:25,639 Speaker 1: no no real way to enforce them, right, So the 459 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,680 Speaker 1: New York Times tried to publish, you know, the legal 460 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:32,119 Speaker 1: price schedule. This is really interesting. I mean it's literally 461 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,680 Speaker 1: just like a recommendation, right, I mean, you know, it's okay, sure, 462 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 1: it's legal, but it's clearly not actually being enforced by 463 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 1: any you know, arm of the law. I mean they're 464 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 1: publishing in the papers saying, literally two individuals, hey be smart, 465 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:51,880 Speaker 1: get a contract with your mover that enforces these these prices. 466 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 1: But that was a little bit of a stress people 467 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 1: to expect as well, because of the duress under which 468 00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,359 Speaker 1: all of these you know things had to take place, 469 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 1: and you had to this hustle and get it done right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 470 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,879 Speaker 1: exactly because the New York Times says, okay, talk to 471 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 1: your mover, get a contract in advance. It's always a 472 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 1: smart thing to try to do. They say, pay two 473 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 1: dollars for a load on a one horse truck within 474 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 1: two miles, fifty cents for every mile after that, fifty 475 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 1: cents to load and unload on the first floor, and 476 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 1: twenty five cents for each additional floor, each additional flight 477 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 1: of stairs. The problem was that an unscrupulous mover could 478 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 1: say okay, yeah, that's fine, and then someone else could 479 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 1: come in, a desperate customer and say, hey, I need 480 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,400 Speaker 1: to move. It's May one, it's moving day. I'll give 481 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 1: you three dollars or I'll give you five dollars and 482 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 1: then boom, your movers gone. What are you're going to 483 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,359 Speaker 1: spend more money to take that person to court? No, 484 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:54,199 Speaker 1: because you need to move all of your crap today. 485 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,880 Speaker 1: There's no way, there's no legal recourse. But the kids 486 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,439 Speaker 1: really liked it because they you know, it's such chaos 487 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 1: that the kid it's got to be out of school. Um. 488 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 1: And you know, if I was a parent in the situation, 489 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 1: I wouldn't just let my kid run wild. I would 490 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,719 Speaker 1: expect a little bit of assistance wrapping, you know, some 491 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,639 Speaker 1: lightweight knickknacks and such. But at the very least they 492 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 1: were out of school for uh several weeks um, and 493 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,639 Speaker 1: they were likely expected to help. But I bet you 494 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,399 Speaker 1: there was also some kind of kids running wild in 495 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,120 Speaker 1: the streets. You know, those the feral kids of New York. 496 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:31,120 Speaker 1: Oh yes, of course, like like in newsies, just like that. 497 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 1: There's actually a poem um from this Time is from 498 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 1: a really cool article on brick underground dot com that 499 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 1: they cite um that references moving Day. It's called a 500 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 1: May Day madrigal, and it's from the perspective of a child. 501 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 1: Of the child says, I want to see the carpets 502 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 1: torn in patches from the floor. I want to see 503 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 1: the statuettes thrown through the plate glass door. I mean, 504 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 1: you have to imagine, right, it makes sense. There's this 505 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 1: uh you know, you could call it bedlam, but it's 506 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 1: such a stimulate, eating, exciting time, you know what I mean. 507 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 1: You see things up ended, you're going to a new place. 508 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,959 Speaker 1: You maybe see your neighbors and your parents acting in 509 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,479 Speaker 1: a way that you with which you were unfamiliar up 510 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 1: to that point. So there's this sort of uh, there's 511 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 1: this holiday aspect of it for the kids. But as 512 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 1: you know, if you're listening to this in New York 513 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 1: or if you have ever lived in New York, this 514 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 1: tradition is no longer celebrated. Sure, some people still move 515 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 1: on May feet, but it's not a citywide ocean day. Instead. Uh, 516 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 1: people move when their individual leases expire, and it took 517 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 1: us a long time to get there because there's so 518 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 1: much money steak. There is a pretty good argument that 519 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 1: the politicians, maybe even some of the same politicians who 520 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 1: were publicly against moving day on May first, maybe they 521 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 1: were I don't want to stay in bed with but 522 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 1: maybe they were having some other conversations with movers and 523 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 1: getting a little kickback. It's quite possible, possibly also with Shakers. 524 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 1: Possibly also with Shakers, Uh, the religious offshoot who ran 525 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 1: the Lower East Side. Is that true? Ben, No, that's 526 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 1: not true, but uh, But it is true that it 527 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 1: would take a lot for this practice to end, because 528 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 1: we know how people are when it comes to tradition. 529 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:38,480 Speaker 1: Our species will will continue the strangest, most unhelpful traditions 530 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 1: until we are literally forced to stop. And what did 531 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 1: it take for May one moving day to come to 532 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:48,960 Speaker 1: an end in New York. Yes, it would take something 533 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 1: very significant in the form of World War One, where 534 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 1: a lot of the builders um, who would be you know, 535 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 1: working to create more supply for the housing demand in 536 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 1: the city, were sent off to the front lines. So 537 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 1: in nineteen nineteen you had twenty two thousand of the 538 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 1: cities one million apartments um sitting vacant, that is in 539 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 1: comparison to fifty three thousand three years before that. So 540 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 1: because the demand was so high and the supply so low, 541 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 1: folks were gonna pay whatever it took to just stay 542 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 1: where they were because they didn't know if they'd find 543 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 1: something better or if it would just be like they 544 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 1: might not even find anything at all. Yeah, there there 545 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 1: may be no room at the end. So these folks 546 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 1: were really at the mercy of their landlords. No matter 547 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 1: how high their rent got, they would stay because they 548 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 1: felt like they had no alternative, you know. And that's 549 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 1: a different kind of housing crisissault together, right, because that 550 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, the power is completely in 551 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 1: the hand of the landlords. And it wasn't until New 552 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,880 Speaker 1: you know, legislation was passed, eventually limiting how much you 553 00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 1: could increase the rent legally each year. That that was 554 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 1: sort of you know, taken care of. Then you have 555 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,680 Speaker 1: things like rent control, etcetera. But at this point it 556 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 1: was literally the landlord's choice when whim to gouge these 557 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 1: relatively helpless tenants. Yeah, there's a book called The Great 558 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 1: Rent Wars by an author named Robert M. Fogelson. And 559 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 1: in The Great Rent Wars we hear the tale of 560 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:25,360 Speaker 1: a woman from the Bronx in nineteen nineteen speaking with 561 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 1: a court clerk. She has five kids with her, and 562 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 1: she is saying that her rent was raised six times 563 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,040 Speaker 1: in two years, and she had been to more than 564 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 1: two hundred places in a week, and everywhere she looked, 565 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 1: she found someone and beaten her to it. So people 566 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,760 Speaker 1: at crises where landlords would also lie to them. The 567 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 1: New York Tribune reported also in nineteen nineteen, that thousands 568 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 1: of people moved, you know, May one, and then they 569 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,960 Speaker 1: found the apartments that they had already you know, put 570 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 1: a deposit on and we're ready to rent. Those apartments 571 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 1: had not been vacated, and people who were supposed to 572 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:08,560 Speaker 1: be kicked out of their apartments. Just refuse to move. 573 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 1: They said, you know, I'm I'm not gonna go. There's 574 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 1: nowhere for me to go. You can't put me out 575 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:19,400 Speaker 1: in the cold. And so moving day meets its end 576 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 1: partially because of the subway. Now, the subway in New York, 577 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 1: if you've never been, is amazing. I know people who 578 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,200 Speaker 1: live in New York love to hate it. I'm not 579 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,240 Speaker 1: saying it's perfect, but if you live in a city 580 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,720 Speaker 1: that does not have a subway, you quickly learned to 581 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 1: appreciate it. Right, Like I I traveled by subway up 582 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 1: pretty often when I'm up in town. Yeah, I mean, 583 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,920 Speaker 1: we here in Atlanta have a subway system that takes 584 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 1: you comparatively far far and far far, far fewer places 585 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 1: than the subway system in New York does. And while 586 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 1: subway system in New York les leaves something to be desired, 587 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 1: and then like on the weekend, there's always construction and 588 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,320 Speaker 1: the lines are diverted, and there's sometimes a little bit 589 00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 1: of a chaotic kind of element to it. It's pretty 590 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 1: darn efficient um and can get you just about anywhere 591 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,800 Speaker 1: you want to go eventually. And I've always found it 592 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,600 Speaker 1: gets you there quicker than catching a cab post of 593 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,600 Speaker 1: the time. For sure, Oh for sure, definitely, because you know, 594 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 1: people don't take tractor trailer contents or cargo on the subway. 595 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,520 Speaker 1: It's just the people mover, or it should be. So 596 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:26,440 Speaker 1: this subway changes everything for the city because now people 597 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:30,879 Speaker 1: don't have to rent cars or carriages. Now they can 598 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,839 Speaker 1: uh Now they can move a lot of stuff on 599 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,279 Speaker 1: their own, and they still have to get you know, 600 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,480 Speaker 1: help with big furniture bedsteads and shift a robes and 601 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:45,120 Speaker 1: so on, but they can also move further out. They're 602 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 1: no longer restricted maybe to the paltry choices of neighborhoods 603 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:53,799 Speaker 1: they had before. So east Side landlords said that they 604 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:57,160 Speaker 1: had more vacant apartments than they had ever had, and 605 00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,919 Speaker 1: rents were cheaper and cheaper and more more people were 606 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 1: paying consistently. Fast forward to the nineteen twenties, New Yorkers 607 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 1: kind of rebel against moving day as one point one 608 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:14,759 Speaker 1: demand in a larger fight for tenants rights. And this 609 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,319 Speaker 1: is like, this is the same year that New York 610 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:21,960 Speaker 1: passes the emergency rent laws that you know you alluded 611 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,400 Speaker 1: to earlier, know, where we have we see something like 612 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:28,839 Speaker 1: rent control that says thou shalt not increase rent over 613 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:32,160 Speaker 1: a certain amount per year. It's very true. Um So, 614 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,359 Speaker 1: there you have at the the ultimate end of this 615 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,720 Speaker 1: chaotic uh day of the year in New York City. 616 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,800 Speaker 1: Um but it's interesting, Actually, this was not the only 617 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,279 Speaker 1: city that this kind of thing took place in. You 618 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:48,480 Speaker 1: had Quebec in Canada that passed a moving day in 619 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,799 Speaker 1: the mid eighteenth century as well, where landowners had been 620 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,720 Speaker 1: hiring folks to work on their land and then sending 621 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 1: them off into the world, you know, to find new employment. 622 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:02,399 Speaker 1: Um as the winter was a approaching ouch. Yes, So, 623 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,960 Speaker 1: as we said, this was a practice that existed other cities. 624 00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,560 Speaker 1: Hopefully it does not exist in a city today, or 625 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,760 Speaker 1: at least not one in which you live. Fellow listener, 626 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:23,680 Speaker 1: New York's May first moving day officially ends in and 627 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,000 Speaker 1: it's kind of fuzzy, but bab here's what happens. Essentially, 628 00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,280 Speaker 1: The New York Times runs a headline that says housing 629 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:35,319 Speaker 1: shortage erases moving Day, and with that, the millions of 630 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:39,280 Speaker 1: residents of the Big Apple began to move year round. 631 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,719 Speaker 1: There were some things leading up to that, you know, 632 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:46,879 Speaker 1: as some people wanted to have three different designated moving days, 633 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,440 Speaker 1: throughout the year to reduce congestion. But at the end 634 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,640 Speaker 1: they just said, hey, let's get rid of this tradition. 635 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,839 Speaker 1: Let's let's be a little smarter about it. And that 636 00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:59,080 Speaker 1: is why if you moved to New York, or if 637 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,359 Speaker 1: you live in New York and move somewhere, you don't 638 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:05,680 Speaker 1: have to wait until May one. So be thankful. And uh, 639 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:07,360 Speaker 1: let us know if you live in the Big Apple, 640 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:11,040 Speaker 1: always down to hang out and say hi, I am 641 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,000 Speaker 1: at least yeah, oh me too, Yeah for sure. Actually, uh, 642 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:15,440 Speaker 1: I don't remember if to have told you this, but 643 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:19,000 Speaker 1: I had the good fortune of meeting up with one 644 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,480 Speaker 1: of our listeners who is a fantastic painter. Yeah, exactly 645 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,960 Speaker 1: when I was in New York this last time. And impressive, 646 00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,400 Speaker 1: really really impressive work. If anyone out there wants to 647 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,000 Speaker 1: check out her work, it is June y j U 648 00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:35,399 Speaker 1: n y I underscore Liu l I you underscore art 649 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:40,440 Speaker 1: on Instagram. Really really cool photo realistic oil paintings, oil paintings, 650 00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,960 Speaker 1: very large scale stuff. Uh and a lovely human person 651 00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:45,560 Speaker 1: and fan of the show. And we had we had 652 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:47,640 Speaker 1: a nice meeting. Um, so yeah, we're always done with that. 653 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:49,560 Speaker 1: Hopefully we'll be doing some live shows in the not 654 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,440 Speaker 1: too distant future, and we'll keep you posted on that 655 00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:56,360 Speaker 1: here on the show and on our Facebook group Ridiculous Historians, 656 00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,600 Speaker 1: where you can join the conversation there at your leisure. 657 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:03,920 Speaker 1: Also find this on Instagram UH and Twitter at Ridiculous History, 658 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,719 Speaker 1: or you know, you can check us out individually as 659 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:10,359 Speaker 1: human people where I am on Instagram exclusively at how 660 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:14,520 Speaker 1: Now Noel Brown, and I am on Twitter at Ben 661 00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:20,400 Speaker 1: Bolling hs w UH. Tune into my Instagram at Ben Bulan, 662 00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:25,520 Speaker 1: where you will find me no spoilers, doing some travel 663 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:30,160 Speaker 1: abroad in Wow wait Boa sooner than I thought, so 664 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,080 Speaker 1: tune in uh in the meantime, of course, as always, 665 00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:37,480 Speaker 1: thanks to our super producer Casey Pegrum, Thanks to Gabe Lousier, 666 00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:41,120 Speaker 1: Thanks to Alex Williams who composed that banging track at 667 00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:44,440 Speaker 1: the beginning and end of every show. Thanks to Christophracio 668 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,759 Speaker 1: is here in spirit Jonathan's trickling the dvos Quister, And 669 00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:51,000 Speaker 1: thanks to you Ben for being a friend and a 670 00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:54,359 Speaker 1: confidant and traveling down that road and back again. Golden Girl, 671 00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:56,799 Speaker 1: stop with me, all right? Thank you, Noel. I gotta 672 00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:05,560 Speaker 1: move for more podcasts from my heart Radio, visit the 673 00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,480 Speaker 1: I heart Radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you listen 674 00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:09,560 Speaker 1: to your favorite shows.