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Speaker 1: Wow, Wow, everybody, it is Wednesday, May seventeenth, twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast, where we're waiting

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Speaker 1: for the fifty year storm. It's being your randomg Marcus Grant,

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Speaker 1: joined by Michael F.

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Speaker 2: Floya.

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Speaker 1: We're in studio today, so we got specialists and they

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Speaker 1: give yourselves around of applause.

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Speaker 2: We appreciate all your help.

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Speaker 1: As always, we appreciate all of you guys listening each

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Speaker 1: and every week. And uh, well, Floria, it is it's

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Speaker 1: mid May. How many best ball drafts have you done?

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Speaker 3: Probably more than I should admit. I've done, like close

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Speaker 3: to ten. I want to say, but I'm doing I'm doing.

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Speaker 2: This is what I do.

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Speaker 3: I do a lot of slow ones so that like

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Speaker 3: they don't take up my time, but then I can

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Speaker 3: like go back and look through them and maybe a

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Speaker 3: little bit less than that, but yeah, I always like

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Speaker 3: having a slow one going on, just because, like when

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Speaker 3: I'm bored, it gives me something to look at.

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Speaker 1: I also feel like if you do slow and I've

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Speaker 1: only done maybe a handful, probably you know, four or five.

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Speaker 1: I also feel like if you're doing slow ones, it's

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Speaker 1: it prevents you from maybe overloading on Yes, you know,

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Speaker 1: I like to have like two.

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Speaker 3: Slow ones going and then anything more than that, I'm like,

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Speaker 3: why am I doing that?

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Speaker 1: I mean it's basically like, you know, taking the ice

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Speaker 1: just sitting there with the whole tub and a spoon

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Speaker 1: in your hand sort of thing. So, uh, that's kind

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Speaker 1: of where it is. We're not talking best ball drafts today,

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Speaker 1: though we are kind of diving in to some rankings.

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Speaker 1: Florio's rankings are up over at NFL dot com. You

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Speaker 1: go check those out at Fantasy dot NFL dot com,

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna compare them with the consensus for a

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Speaker 1: handful of players. It's May, so we'll do it here. Well,

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Speaker 1: we'll do it, maybe try to do it once a month.

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Speaker 1: We'll kind of catch up and see kind of where

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Speaker 1: things are as everybody sort of adjusts and more people

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Speaker 1: start drafting and that sort of thing. But we'll kind

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Speaker 1: of go through a handful of guys for this one.

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Speaker 1: Also play a little bit of hypes, train or Smoke

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Speaker 1: Screen and Florio's film festival continues because because Fast X

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Speaker 1: is coming out this week, we wanted to go back

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Speaker 1: and watch point break. I know, on the surface it

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Speaker 1: doesn't seem like it makes sense. We'll explain. We'll get

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Speaker 3: I don't think we can fully explain how hyped as

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Speaker 3: a collective podcast we are for the Fast.

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Speaker 2: Like I feel like every conversation that me and you

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Speaker 2: have had the last week ends up going back to

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Speaker 2: the Fast movies. I mean, just peek behind the curtain.

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Speaker 1: After last week's show, we finished recording, and then we

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Speaker 1: all stayed here in the Fantasy last for probably another

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Speaker 1: fifteen to twenty minutes talking about the entire series, breaking

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Speaker 1: it down. We got Susie now, who just joined the group.

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Speaker 1: She admitted she hadn't seen any of them, but she

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Speaker 1: was super hyped to like start watching them after us

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Speaker 1: talking about how ridiculous they were.

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Speaker 2: Have you watched any of them? She doesn't watched any

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Speaker 2: of them yet. Okay, this is your next might be

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Speaker 2: a new plan, now, this.

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Speaker 1: Might have to be the next thing in the on

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Speaker 1: the show where we every week ask Susie if she's

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Speaker 1: one per week, and you know, you get her take

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Speaker 1: on what you know what she thinks of them as

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Speaker 1: they get more and more ridiculous, all the way to

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Speaker 1: Fast X. Maybe we'll just do a Fast X special.

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Speaker 1: I got a special pod.

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Speaker 2: The whole pod should go together to watch.

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Speaker 1: Just make a whole thing of it and go watch

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Speaker 1: Fast X, record us watching it or something like that.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely right.

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Speaker 1: Let's let's football. Before everybody clicks this thing off. What

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Speaker 1: Last week I called this section chatter because it's the

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Speaker 1: Week one. So this week a handful of headlines and

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Speaker 2: He Lomas still believes, at least he says he still believes.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna say this is a smoke screen because to

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Speaker 3: Ten games in three years. But that being said, if

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Speaker 3: Like I think Michael Thomas could still play at a

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Speaker 1: I think at the ADP, I think it's absolutely worth

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Speaker 2: What I don't think.

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Speaker 1: I still think even if he's completely healthy and gives

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Speaker 1: He's going to get his opportunities. We'll talk a little

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Speaker 1: So I appreciate, I appreciate Mickey Loomis trying to hype

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just don't know that Derek Carr has that

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Speaker 1: I guess up in Baltimore, we're going from New Orleans, right,

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Speaker 1: I know geography. Raven's offensive coordinator Tom Monkin says he

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Speaker 1: is looking to lighten quarterback Lamar Jackson's quote unquote burden

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Speaker 1: The caveat to this is Monk can also sort of

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Speaker 3: Actually think it can only help Lamar Jackson. I think

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Speaker 3: Todd Monkin, I looked back at his what he did

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Speaker 3: and two it's just gonna be harder to predict and

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Speaker 3: it's not gonna be as vanilla as it has been.

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Speaker 3: And when you have a passing game that you have

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Speaker 3: to respect, I think it then creates rushing lane running

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Speaker 3: if he dials back to running a little bit, could

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Speaker 3: we see it be more efficient than it has been

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Speaker 3: the last couple of years. Plus I naturally expect his

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Speaker 3: passing numbers to jump up.

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Speaker 2: He's ranked as my QB four.

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Speaker 3: I cannot quit that twenty nineteen season where I know

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Speaker 3: he didn't score the most fantasy points ever, but that

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Speaker 3: was the best fantasy season eight quarterbacks ever had. Like,

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Speaker 3: if he doesn't sit that last game, he does set

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Speaker 3: the record. He was by far the most fantasy points

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Speaker 1: In fact, I was I was in a mock draft

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Speaker 1: And the year Lamar won the MVP twenty nineteen, that

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Speaker 3: It should be today, like at least I'm hoping by

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Speaker 1: When I think, I think the point to it that

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Speaker 3: Right, I bet you if Andy Dalton right now, do

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Speaker 3: I think that's a hype train. We've seen backs come

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Speaker 2: A key role. You probably hear the exasperation in my

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Speaker 3: as like a late round dart throw, I'm fine taking

438
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Speaker 3: a gamble on Antonio Gibbson.

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Speaker 2: I'm just I'm calling smoke screen on this one.

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Speaker 1: I just you know it was it was when I

441
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Speaker 1: saw the headline, it was the grand theft auto meme,

442
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Speaker 1: the od bleep, here we go again. I mean, that's

443
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Speaker 1: kind of how I felt when I saw that, because

444
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Speaker 1: I remember a couple of years ago. I think it

445
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Speaker 1: might have been when they first got Antonio Gibbson. Pretty

446
00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:52,439
Speaker 1: early in his career, Ron Rivera referred to him as

447
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Speaker 1: a Christian McCaffrey type player, which I have learned now

448
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Speaker 1: that basically, for Ron Rivera, any running back who can

449
00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,760
Speaker 1: catch passes he refers to as a christ Jim McCaffrey

450
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Speaker 1: type player.

451
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Speaker 2: And it's like, bro, No, but it doesn't work like that.

452
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Speaker 1: And if they really were going to get Gibson more involved,

453
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Speaker 1: it feels like they could have done that. Now, maybe

454
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Speaker 1: the difference this year is that you've got Eric b

455
00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,200
Speaker 1: Enemy there, right, and he's the guy calling plays, and

456
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Speaker 1: you know, maybe things change a little bit, but you've

457
00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:26,919
Speaker 1: had ample opportunity to get Antonio Gibson heavily involved in

458
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Speaker 1: this offense. Not only did you not get him involved,

459
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Speaker 1: you went out and drafted a guy. You drafted another

460
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Speaker 1: guy who play his position, and you gave him snaps

461
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Speaker 1: over Gibson. So at some point you know, sure, I'm

462
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Speaker 1: sure this is what you want. There are a lot

463
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Speaker 1: of things that I want, but that doesn't mean they're

464
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Speaker 1: gonna happen. I just I can't. I can't buy into this,

465
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Speaker 1: and you're right. The the ADP the RB forty two situation,

466
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Speaker 1: Gibson sort of suggests that we're we've all heard this

467
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Speaker 1: song before from Ron Rivera, and people aren't buying it

468
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Speaker 1: at this point. Last one, this from Detroit Reports, so

469
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Speaker 1: that Sam Laporta was quote the best player on the field,

470
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Speaker 1: apparently the best player on the field by a wide

471
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Speaker 1: margin in Lions rookie mini camp. This this feels like

472
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Speaker 1: absolute hype train, but like in a smoke screen sort

473
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Speaker 1: of way, if that makes sense.

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Speaker 2: I agree. I was gonna say there's no way he

475
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Speaker 2: was the best player.

476
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Speaker 3: If Jimior Gibbs was on the field, because I mean,

477
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Speaker 3: Gibbs is in my opinion, Oh Gibbs.

478
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Speaker 2: I did have that ankle injury. Oh yeah, so he

479
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:29,680
Speaker 2: was so maybe.

480
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Speaker 3: So okay, if you take Gibbs off the field, then

481
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Speaker 3: I could believe this all their rookies. Yeah, the one

482
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Speaker 3: that they took second highest is probably gonna be the

483
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Speaker 3: best one.

484
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Speaker 2: I could believe that.

485
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Speaker 3: Laporta is someone that I'm not interested in drafting because

486
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Speaker 3: rookie tight ends, especially the first few weeks of the season, usually.

487
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Speaker 2: It's very bumpy for them.

488
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Speaker 3: But I could see Laporta being if you want to

489
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Speaker 3: take him as like a late pick as your second

490
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Speaker 3: tight end. Cool, but I could see him being someone

491
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Speaker 3: that hits off the waiver wire because the Lions are

492
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Speaker 3: so thin at tight end. Yes that I think that

493
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Speaker 3: just by default, he could be out there getting targets

494
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,719
Speaker 3: on a team that their offense was very fantasy friendly

495
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Speaker 3: last year. So especially once you get Jamison Williams back

496
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Speaker 3: and you have him and Monro taking so much defensive

497
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:20,960
Speaker 3: attention away, that could create just you know, open short

498
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 3: underneath targets for la Porta, especially in the second half.

499
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Speaker 2: Of the season.

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Speaker 1: So here are the tight ends on the depth chart

501
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Speaker 1: behind Sam Laporta. Right now, he's listed on some places

502
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Speaker 1: as the number one tight end. The guys behind him

503
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Speaker 1: brock Wright, James Mitchell, Shane Zilstra, Derek Dees Junior, and

504
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 1: Patrick Murtau. Stop me when you know there's somebody there

505
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 1: you want to you want to draft.

506
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Speaker 2: I know a few of those names because of that.

507
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Speaker 1: Helps no one, you know what, Yeah, there are some

508
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:48,159
Speaker 1: that helps no one.

509
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Speaker 2: All stars in that.

510
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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure Shane Zilstra made it at least once,

511
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Speaker 1: probably multiple times.

512
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Speaker 2: I think there was a.

513
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Speaker 3: Week where it was multiple lines tight ends. So where

514
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Speaker 3: all the that helps no one's I think you are

515
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Speaker 3: correct there. So there's a very good chance Laporta is

516
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Speaker 3: the number one guy there. I still think, you know,

517
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Speaker 3: this is one where we as a group have to

518
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Speaker 3: kind of pump the brakes on this. Like hearing that

519
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:13,359
Speaker 3: he was the best player on the field in rookie

520
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Speaker 3: mini camp, Like, okay, maybe he was.

521
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Speaker 2: I don't think we need.

522
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Speaker 1: To translate that into hey man, let's pump sand Laporta

523
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Speaker 1: ad updraft right now.

524
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Speaker 2: So I think that's that's.

525
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Speaker 1: Maybe sort of where we have to kind of, you know,

526
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Speaker 1: take a pause a little bit. Speaking of taking a

527
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Speaker 1: pause and do that, take a quick break, come back.

528
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Speaker 1: We will dive into some rankings, and we'll also go

529
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Speaker 1: hang out with Johnny Utah and Bodie on the beach.

530
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Speaker 1: That's coming up next here on the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk some rankings.

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Speaker 1: You can go check out Michael f Florio's fantasy rankings

533
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Speaker 1: at Fantasy dot nfl dot com. So I felt like

534
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Speaker 1: it was gonna be fun to kind of compare and

535
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Speaker 1: contrast some of his with some of the consensus that

536
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Speaker 1: you can find all across the interwebs. So let's start

537
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Speaker 1: at the top, because look, there are three quarterbacks that

538
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 1: are at the top of everyone's list. The order is

539
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:14,640
Speaker 1: somewhat interchangeable. Patrick Mahomes, the consensus has him at quarterback one.

540
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,400
Speaker 1: You have him at quarterback three. And this isn't like, hey,

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Speaker 1: you're crazy, what's wrong with you again? You can sort

542
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,640
Speaker 1: of shuffle around Mahomes, Hurts and Allen in any sort

543
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Speaker 1: of order. But I just kind of wanted your take

544
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Speaker 1: on why you've got him at three instead of one.

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Speaker 2: I know it's splitting hairs. I was just curious your

546
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Speaker 2: thought process.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, what you said. I always say, like you

548
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 3: could put these three in any order. You could call

549
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,399
Speaker 3: me bias. But my thinking with Josh Allen is he

550
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Speaker 3: was the QB one two years ago, he was the

551
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Speaker 3: QB one this season before this last one, and then

552
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,199
Speaker 3: he was the QB one for the first half of

553
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Speaker 3: the season before he hurt his elbow. He was also

554
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Speaker 3: on pace. If he played that Bengals game, he was

555
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 3: gonna become the first quarterback ever in history went back

556
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Speaker 3: to back four hundred fantasy points seasons. My logic there

557
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Speaker 3: is he gives you similar numbers as Mahomes through the air,

558
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 3: but he's gonna run a whole lot more. And that's

559
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Speaker 3: also what Jalen Hurts like. I know, Hurts isn't gonna

560
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,439
Speaker 3: give you quite the passing numbers that Mahomes is, but

561
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Speaker 3: he's gonna give you even better rushing numbers than Josh Allen.

562
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Speaker 3: And to me, my thinking is, I feel like I

563
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,639
Speaker 3: can trust the rushing production a little bit more if

564
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 3: the Chiefs have because they underwent a complete philosophy change

565
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Speaker 3: last year and Mahomes went from being like the quarterback

566
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Speaker 3: who two years ago was like, why can't I throw

567
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 3: the ball deep? Every single play to breaking the NFL

568
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 3: record for short yards touchdown passes. So to me, I'm like, hey,

569
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Speaker 3: if some of those quick passes near the goal line

570
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 3: become handoffs to Pa check over something, and it doesn't

571
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Speaker 3: have to be a whole lot, four of them will

572
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Speaker 3: completely change everything, you know. So to me, again, there's

573
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Speaker 3: no wrong order, but I just felt like the other two,

574
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Speaker 3: because of what they give you with their legs, just

575
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Speaker 3: feel a little bit safer to me.

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Speaker 1: That's kind of where I am too. I've got Alan one,

577
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Speaker 1: Hurts two, Mahomes three. We talked about having Lamar Jackson

578
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Speaker 1: at four, and it is just it feels like the

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Speaker 1: guys who run a little bit more have a little

580
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Speaker 1: bit of a safer floor in terms of what their

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Speaker 1: production can be. And like, this isn't a knock on Mahomes.

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00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 1: I mean, the guy through for fifty two hundred yards

583
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 1: had forty touchdowns last year. There's no reason to think

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00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: he can't do that again. And he runs enough that

585
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 1: you know it definitely adds something to it. Right, he

586
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 1: had with three hundred and fifty yards four rushing touchdowns

587
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: last year. That number certainly is attainable again this year.

588
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 1: So again, like if you came to me and you

589
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Speaker 1: said you had Patrick Mahomes number one and Josh Allen

590
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Speaker 1: number three. You know I'm not gonna shout at you

591
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Speaker 1: about it, like just you know, I just was curious,

592
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:47,719
Speaker 1: but about your your particular personal thought process there, Anthony

593
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Speaker 1: Richardson consensus is at QB ten, you have him at

594
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Speaker 1: QB thirteen. Not a huge gap between you, but it

595
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Speaker 1: is the difference between drafting him as a QB one

596
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Speaker 1: and not drafting him as a q one. I mean

597
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Speaker 1: you've got him at thirteen. Mean he's just outside that

598
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 1: range of QB one. What for you made the difference?

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Speaker 3: I think right now is heavily skewed by best ball

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Speaker 3: this early in the process, and in best ball, sure,

601
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Speaker 3: I have no problem taking him at QB ten because

602
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,160
Speaker 3: you don't need to pick when you start him, you're

603
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 3: just gonna get those big blow up weeks. But if

604
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Speaker 3: we're talking redraft, and that's what my rankings are, like

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Speaker 3: the quarterbacks I have him behind, then are Aaron Rodgers

606
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,439
Speaker 3: who have at twelve. I could see myself bumping him

607
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,400
Speaker 3: up ahead of Rogers, But dak Intua, I think that's

608
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 3: where I draw the line because if you take Anthony

609
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,959
Speaker 3: Richardson at QB ten, now all of a sudden, you're

610
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Speaker 3: starting him week one, and I don't think people are

611
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Speaker 3: gonna feel confident enough to do that. I think he

612
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 3: has the upside to finish QB ten overall, but I

613
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 3: don't rank players based on like where I think they're

614
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 3: gonna finish. I'm not trying to win the accuracy contest

615
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 3: or anything like that. I'm telling you this is how

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Speaker 3: I would draft them. And I feel much more comfort

617
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Speaker 3: with Anthony Richardson as my QB two, especially if I

618
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Speaker 3: don't get one of the top eight. Pairing him up

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Speaker 3: with like a Tuo or a Dak or a Watson,

620
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Speaker 3: I love doing that. I if you take him at

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Speaker 3: QB ten, though, you're saying he's my starting quarterback, and

622
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Speaker 3: I think that puts a lot more pressure.

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Speaker 2: On your your team on. I know Richardson doesn't feel

624
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 2: the pressure, but he has to perform there.

625
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: He feels pressure, but for a different not from us

626
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: geeks here, just from you know, from.

627
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Speaker 2: The hey, I'm supposed to lead a franchise sort of

628
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 2: thing there.

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Speaker 1: And I think with Richardson, the comparisons you keep getting

630
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Speaker 1: not maybe in terms of style, but in terms of

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Speaker 1: what fantasy potential is that he could be what Justin

632
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Speaker 1: Fields was what Jalen Hurts was a couple of years ago,

633
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 1: and that guy who even if he still needs work

634
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 1: on his his passing game, and look, the reports early

635
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 1: are that he's very impressive throwing the football there in Indianapolis.

636
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Speaker 1: But even if he still needs work that he can

637
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 1: still provide for you because of his rushing upside. Trey

638
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: Lance was another one there, right, But at the same

639
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: time last year, people weren't really drafting Justin Fields to

640
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 1: be their QB one outside of like Adam Rank right,

641
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 1: Like nobody was drafting him to be their QB one.

642
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 2: They were drafting him as an option with upside. Same

643
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Speaker 2: with Jalen Hurts.

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Speaker 1: I mean two years ago I had Jalen Hurts and

645
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott and it ended up being a struggle every

646
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: week to figure out which one of those guys I

647
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: was gonna start because they were both giving me pretty

648
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 1: good production. So you're right if you're talking about you say,

649
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 1: dynasty leagues or keeper leagues, redraft leagues drafting Richardson as

650
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Speaker 1: the QB ten and thinking, hey, I'm gonna plug this

651
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 1: guy in as my starter every week does open you

652
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 1: up to some more vulnerability and some more risk as

653
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Speaker 1: opposed to drafting him as a second quarterback and then

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Speaker 1: riding it out if he turned out to be somebody better,

655
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Speaker 1: even better than what we think he can be.

656
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 3: And if you take him at QB ten and he

657
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 3: finishes a QB ten, okay, if you take him at

658
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 3: thirteen he finishes at ten, you feel good about that

659
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 3: and like he gets some return on your investment. And

660
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 3: we say all the time, there's like a top eight quarterbacks.

661
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 3: I think if you take him at ten, he really

662
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 3: doesn't have anywhere to go like upwise.

663
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, you're right, You're absolutely right. Which we want

664
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 1: to talk about drafting somebody at the ceiling. We'll get

665
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: into that in a little bit. Trey Lance, and this

666
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 1: one is interesting to me. The consensus has at mt

667
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,719
Speaker 1: QB twenty four. You have him mt QB thirty three.

668
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 1: And I think what's really interesting is that brock Purty,

669
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: the consensus has a QB twenty eight.

670
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 3: Is this just a best ball thing right now? With

671
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 3: Trey Lance, I think it's a best ball thing. I

672
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 3: think it is a fantasy players are they hold onto

673
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 3: their priors like no tomorrow, like they people want to

674
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 3: be right on Trey Lance, and I've been very vocal

675
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 3: that I am not super high on brock Party. I

676
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 3: think last year he played very well, but I think

677
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 3: like if you put Sam Darnold in this system, he.

678
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 2: Could play very well.

679
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 3: I think a lot of quarterbacks could play very well

680
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 3: in this system given the weapons they have and everything.

681
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 3: Trey Lance for fantasy would be the best case scenario

682
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 3: because of he could give you that production with his

683
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 3: arm and with his legs.

684
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 2: But read the tea leaves like I.

685
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 3: And again I'm saying all of this is the low

686
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 3: brock Party guy. I have him as QB twenty one

687
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 3: in my rankings because it's it doesn't matter what I think.

688
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 3: What matters is what the team is going to do,

689
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,959
Speaker 3: and the team has been very vocal that if he

690
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 3: is healthy, Brock Purdy is going to be the starter.

691
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 2: At least.

692
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 3: Maybe things change and can't. Maybe Purdy doesn't look as

693
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 3: good as he did at post surgery. I don't know,

694
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 3: but as of right now, everything the Niners are saying

695
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 3: is that they want Brock Purdy to be their starter.

696
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: That's sort of it, and I think but I think

697
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: there's sort of that there's enough ambiguity in there that

698
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 1: I think people are sort of looking for the silver

699
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 1: lining in it because and we talked about this before,

700
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: lots of other people have talked about it too. There's

701
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 1: so much unknown still about Trey Lance, right, this is

702
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: this is his resume.

703
00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 2: So far.

704
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: We saw him get occasional opportunities as a rookie, and

705
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 1: then when he got the chance to be the starter,

706
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 1: he played one game in a monsoon then the second

707
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 1: game he got hurt, so we really haven't seen him.

708
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 1: So there's still this belief, there's this belief in his

709
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 1: upside and what he can be, and so I think

710
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 1: people are sort of holding onto that, and you know,

711
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 1: throwing the fact that nobody knows exactly when Brock Purty

712
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 1: is going to be ready. Nobody wants to buy into

713
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 1: Sam Donald because we've we've seen that movie, right, we

714
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 1: sort of know how it is, and even with Kyle Shanahan,

715
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 1: I think we understand there's there's a ceiling there.

716
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 2: So I think there's still.

717
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 1: Sort of that that hope, that belief in what Trey

718
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: Lance can be.

719
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 2: It's just such a black box there.

720
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 3: What scares me with Trey lance Is he's lost so

721
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 3: many years of development because not only has he made

722
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 3: four starts in two years in the NFL, but his

723
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 3: unit last year in college was taken away because of COVID.

724
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 3: He played one game that year. So Michael Thomas has

725
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 3: played more football in the last three years.

726
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 2: Has that is a concern?

727
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: That is that is a little bit of a concern. Yeah,

728
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: where he's played very very little football, and you know,

729
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 1: a lot of it is out of his control unfortunately,

730
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: but the window does seem to be closing on what

731
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: his opportunity can be. Over the running backs, Bjeon Robinson

732
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,720
Speaker 1: consensus has him at two, you have him at five.

733
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:22,399
Speaker 1: Either way, we're talking about drafting him very high. RB

734
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 1: two feels like the absolute ceiling for Bijon like that,

735
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: that seems like a hard bar to live up to,

736
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: even for somebody that we think is gonna be amazing

737
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:31,959
Speaker 1: this year.

738
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so when I was doing the rankings, I

739
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 3: you know, Bijon was all the way at the bottom

740
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 3: to start, and I put him up at RB two

741
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 3: and I was like, CMC is my one for me.

742
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,760
Speaker 3: And I've seen people say, you know, he's not shouldn't

743
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 3: be a lock for RB one. But my thinking is

744
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 3: always what running back gives me the highest odds of

745
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:51,959
Speaker 3: not only being the RB one, but of being top five,

746
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,439
Speaker 3: and CMC and Eckler highest odds of any running back.

747
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 3: Like if if Eckler's back with the Chargers and obviously

748
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 3: McCaffrey with the Niners, to me, they're untouchable as my

749
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,760
Speaker 3: top two running backs. Then I was like Bijon or Saquon,

750
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 3: and I could I could sell you that Bijon could

751
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 3: be better. It's the same thing for Jonathan Taylor. But

752
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 3: I just think there the floor is safer with the

753
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 3: veterans because Arthur Smith, yes he's gonna run the ball

754
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 3: a whole lot, but how much is Tyler else you're

755
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 3: gonna get? You know, Like there's some concerns of the

756
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 3: unknown with Bijon, and yes, I get it. The upside

757
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 3: is the unknown. Upside is always fun. I feel like

758
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 3: people always want to be first on a player, but like,

759
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 3: I don't know. I if I drafted Saquon and he

760
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,879
Speaker 3: finished a little bit behind Bijon, I wouldn't feel nearly

761
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 3: as bad as if it was the other way around.

762
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 2: Like if I was like I.

763
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 3: Let the proven elite talent in Saquon fall because I

764
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:46,320
Speaker 3: wanted the unknown upside.

765
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 2: I don't know.

766
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,280
Speaker 1: To me, it just felt safer. No, it does feel safer.

767
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 1: I totally get it. I mean, and maybe this is

768
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: this is us hesitating, right. I think we've all as

769
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: a group gotten better about not you know, once upon

770
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: a time you talked about drafting a rookie this high,

771
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:03,320
Speaker 1: people would.

772
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 2: Be like, he's never played it down of football.

773
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 1: Yep, we've gotten past that as a society, right we

774
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 1: have seen too many rookie whether it was Ezekiel Elliott

775
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 1: or Saquon Barkley or you know, I'm sure there are

776
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: other guys out there that I'm I'm blanking on right now.

777
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 1: We've gotten over that now, so we're used to drafting

778
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 1: rookies highly. This though, and maybe this is me sort

779
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,359
Speaker 1: of still holding onto a tiny bit of that. You're

780
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 1: drafting him at RB two, you are essentially saying, I

781
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 1: guarantee he's going to finish as a top five running back.

782
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 1: And as you mentioned, look, I don't think Tyler Alzier

783
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 1: is going to have a huge role, but it could

784
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 1: be just enough. Quadero Patterson not gonna have a huge role,

785
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: but still going to partially be involved. They still do

786
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: have to throw the ball occasionally, maybe not as much

787
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 1: as we like. There are other places to go with it.

788
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 1: So I had some I had a little bit of

789
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: pause when I saw a Becheon at RB two. Admittedly,

790
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 1: I think I have him as my RB four or

791
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: five right now, So I'm I haven't fully jumped off

792
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 1: the cliff, but you know, I'm I just got my

793
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: heels kind of hanging on the edge of it.

794
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 2: At this point.

795
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: You haven't fully jumped out of the plane yet, not

796
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: fully out of the plane yet, and I still have

797
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: a parachute like like Johnny Utah. Yeah, we're getting to

798
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 1: that Dalvin Cook consensus RB twenty one. You've got him

799
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 1: at RB twelve. The only difference I can think is

800
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 1: that I guess people are concerned about where he may land,

801
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:27,479
Speaker 1: if he stays in Minnesota or somewhere else.

802
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 2: But I don't know.

803
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 3: I'm kind of with you in the sense that wherever

804
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 3: he goes, he's still a good running back who's going

805
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 3: to get a lot of opportunity somewhere. And yes, the

806
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 3: thinking continues to be like the Vikings are going to

807
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 3: move on, But I'm like, are they they went through

808
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,879
Speaker 3: free agency and they didn't bring in running backs. They

809
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 3: went through the draft and they took Dwayne McBride in

810
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 3: like the fifth round or something like that or did

811
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 3: I get his name wrong. I don't even but yeah,

812
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 3: like they didn't fight anything into a running back outside

813
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 3: of paying Alexander Madison backup running back money. And to me,

814
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 3: I get that there's a potential out in his contract.

815
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 2: But then there's a lot of dead cap with it

816
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 2: and stuff.

817
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 3: Part of me thinks that they're just gonna run it

818
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 3: back with Dalvin Cook this year, and after the draft,

819
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 3: my thinking changed a lot. So that's why I have

820
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 3: him back at twelve and if he is there in

821
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 3: Minnesota or like you said, if someone else takes on

822
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:24,359
Speaker 3: that big contract, I think they're gonna give him.

823
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 2: A whole lot of work.

824
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 3: The only thing that gave me some pause was yesterday

825
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 3: I think the Vikings put out like their schedule, like.

826
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 2: I canna say, did you see this? You know he's

827
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 2: been raised from the mural.

828
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 3: There is not on it, and that that worried me.

829
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:39,839
Speaker 3: That what I was like, Okay, maybe I should lower him.

830
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, right now, this is this is

831
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: very much decipher things from cryptic social media season. I mean,

832
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 1: if you want to read into that, that does suggest

833
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 1: that the Vikings are sort of ready to move on

834
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: from him. But the question is can they find a

835
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,320
Speaker 1: trade partner right now, because.

836
00:38:59,000 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 2: Teams aren't.

837
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: They haven't started that next round of running back free agency, right.

838
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I think about the guys that are still

839
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: Ezekiel Elliott is still out there, Leonard Fournette still out there,

840
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 1: Kareem Hunt is still out there. Those guys could probably

841
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: give you good sort of backup moments, good snaps, backup

842
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: snaps for a little bit less of an investment. If

843
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 1: you're trading for Dalvin Cook, you're going to have to

844
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 1: give up probably some draft picks, some kind of assets there.

845
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: You might be able to go out for now and

846
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 1: get one of these free agents off the street for

847
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 1: a little bit cheaper. So it might be hard, at

848
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 1: least in the short term, for the Vikings to move

849
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 1: a guy like Dalvin Cook. So I wouldn't be surprised

850
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 1: if we get to week one and he's still on

851
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 1: the roster. Now, maybe before the trade deadline something happens,

852
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:44,879
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I think he's gonna still be there.

853
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,359
Speaker 3: If you're looking at trade for running back two right now,

854
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 3: I would rather have Alsin Eckler than Dalvin Cook. He's cheaper,

855
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 3: he's a shorter contract. Like I just think it's gonna

856
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 3: be hard to move that running back contract.

857
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,399
Speaker 2: No, I agree, I completely agree there.

858
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: Terry McLaurin, why receiver twenty six by consensus, you have

859
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:05,800
Speaker 1: him at wide receiver eighteen. Similarly, John Dotsa's wide receiver

860
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: forty two, you've got him at thirty five.

861
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 2: Is this just because you love Sam Howell.

862
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:13,839
Speaker 3: No, it's because I love Terry McLaurin, and I'm never

863
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 3: gonna quit Terry mclaurran. I believe Terry is a top

864
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 3: ten wide receiver in the NFL. He's just had terrible

865
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 3: quarterback play.

866
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 2: The thing that gives me hope is not just Sam.

867
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 3: How it's that Jacobe Brissett is there. And Brissette played

868
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 3: really good football last year. He had Amari Cooper being

869
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 3: a top ten wide receiver and it was kind of

870
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 3: like he was throwing the ball downfield to him, and

871
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 3: that's what we love when they do it with Terry McLaurin.

872
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 3: And my thinking though, is with Eric Bienemy. There the

873
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 3: offense is going to be better, and they have the

874
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 3: coaching staff has a lot to prove this year, Like

875
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 3: Bienemy needs to prove that he could do it without

876
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:54,399
Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid. Ron Rivera needs to prove

877
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 3: that he is worthy of getting another year as being

878
00:40:56,719 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 3: the head coach there. So if Sam Howe struggles, whether

879
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 3: it be in camp or early in the season, it

880
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 3: would not surprise me if we saw a move to

881
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 3: Jacoby Brissett. And I think that reaches It sounds terrible

882
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 3: to say, like Jacoby Brissett brings Terry McLaurin to a

883
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 3: new level, but with the quarterbacks he played with, I

884
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 3: think that's the case. And with Johan Dotson, I just

885
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 3: think he's a really underrated wide receiver. Like I think

886
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 3: he's very good friend of the show, Matt Harmon. I

887
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,919
Speaker 3: know in perception reception, Johan Dotson guy. Yeah, and we're

888
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 3: talking wide receiver three four territory. I'm all about the

889
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 3: upside there. Give me Dotson over you know, any of

890
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 3: these of the much safer wide receivers. So that also

891
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 3: kind of plays into it.

892
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, I you know, I understand. I guess people are

893
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 1: just concerned about the quarterback uncertainty there. I just still

894
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: believe in the power of Terry McLaurin, so I would

895
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:51,720
Speaker 1: push him a little bit up my my rankings too,

896
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 1: compared to where he is ADP wise, I'm looking at

897
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 1: some of the guys around Jahan Dotson, he's going after

898
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: Gabe Davis and Brandon Cooks. He's just ahead of Quentin Johnston,

899
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 1: Zay Flowers, Michael Thomas.

900
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 2: You know, Like, I don't know. I I might put

901
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 2: him up ahead.

902
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 1: Of say a Gabe Davis, just because I feel like

903
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 1: there at least a little more consistency, perhaps with dots

904
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 1: in there.

905
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 2: Uh you know, I don't know.

906
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 1: Maybe this is a situation where he's where he is

907
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 1: because it's hard to figure out who you're moving around him.

908
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 2: But it just feels like forty two feels a little

909
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 2: bit low. I have him way ahead of Gabe Davis.

910
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 2: I don't know.

911
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 3: I don't want to do the Gave Davis thing again

912
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,320
Speaker 3: in Best Ball. Sure in real life it's going to

913
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 3: be frustrated.

914
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 1: I mean, we spent all last summer arguing about Gabe Davis.

915
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:39,720
Speaker 1: I don't really want to go down.

916
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 2: That road again.

917
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,760
Speaker 1: Zay Flowers, wide receiver forty four by consensus wide receiver,

918
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 1: fifty six by your ranking. So you are a lot

919
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 1: lower on Zay Flowers than a lot of other people.

920
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 1: Is this just why? Because because I don't know, explain why,

921
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna put words in you.

922
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:57,760
Speaker 2: Why? Why do you? Why do you have him lower?

923
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 3: I just am worried about how much volume he's gonna get.

924
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,840
Speaker 3: I think that Mark Andrews is the number one target.

925
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 3: I think that Odell is going to be. While I

926
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 3: don't love Odell for fantasy purposes, I think after the

927
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 3: money that the Ravens invested in Odell, it tells us

928
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 3: that they have big plans for this year for Odell.

929
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 3: He got the most money of any wide receiver on

930
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 3: a per year basis of the in this free agent class,

931
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 3: when most of us did not think he was gonna

932
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 3: get anywhere close to the eighteen million. And then I

933
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 3: think Bateman is there, and Bateman will be playing ahead

934
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 3: of Flowers early on. And while I said earlier I

935
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,800
Speaker 3: think the Ravens passed more, I still think they're.

936
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 2: Going to run the ball a lot.

937
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 3: So to me, I just have volume concerns for him.

938
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 3: But now that I'm looking at it, I'm like, maybe.

939
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 2: I should bump save Flowers up a bit because I

940
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 2: do like him as a talent. Yeah, I think he's

941
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 2: another hard one to figure out. I think I think.

942
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:55,839
Speaker 1: The value of Zay Flowers is based heavily on how

943
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,320
Speaker 1: much you think Odell Beckham has left in the tank.

944
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 1: If you think Obj is washed, then I think you're

945
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: like Zay Flowers a whole lot more if you believe

946
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 1: that Beckham still has something left. And I think that

947
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 1: sort of bumps Flowers down a little bit. I think

948
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 1: I think that's the other part of it. Also, how

949
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 1: many times will the Ravens have three receivers on the field,

950
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,320
Speaker 1: Because if it's just two receivers, it's probably going to

951
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 1: be Obj and a healthy Rashad Bateman more often than not,

952
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: So that also sort of impacts it. This is not

953
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: a team that has been you know, they're not a

954
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 1: wide open passing attack. I don't know that it just

955
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 1: completely flips because Todd Monkin is there this year. So

956
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 1: I want to be optimistic about Zay Flowers, but I

957
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:38,240
Speaker 1: can also tell you a story where it just doesn't

958
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 1: really work out quite that way this year. Let's get

959
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:43,800
Speaker 1: a couple tight ends before we get to the film Festival.

960
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 2: Darren Waller consensus tight end seven. You got him a

961
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:47,839
Speaker 2: tight end three.

962
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 1: You have been very vocal about your love for Darren

963
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 1: Waller so far this offseason.

964
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 3: I've always loved Waller as a talent and the numbers

965
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 3: last year. I know he missed time due to injury,

966
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 3: but then when he was on the field, he's still

967
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 3: just as good as most tight ends in this league.

968
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 3: Obviously Kelsey's one. I still think Mark Andrews deserves to

969
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 3: be two. Like to me, I then have these next

970
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 3: five tight ends in like a big group of Waller, Hockinson, Kittle,

971
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:15,720
Speaker 3: Pitts and Goddard. But my thinking was like Hockinson has

972
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 3: the number one target vacuum in the league opposite of him,

973
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 3: and now they brought in Jordan Addison, so there's.

974
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 2: Target comp there.

975
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:26,240
Speaker 3: George Kittle has deebo and Ayuk and Christian McCaffrey. Goddard

976
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 3: has aj Brown and DeVonta Smith. Kyle Pitts has to

977
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 3: deal with Arthur Smith. So I was like, which of

978
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 3: these do I feel most confident in? Well, if healthy,

979
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 3: we'll see the most volume, and for me that's Darren Waller.

980
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:40,959
Speaker 3: I think He's gonna be the giants number one pass

981
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 3: catcher this year, the number one target, and I trust

982
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 3: Brian Dable to draw up plays that will put him

983
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 3: in a position to succeed. But this is one of

984
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 3: those instances where if you were like, I have Hockinson

985
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 3: or Kittle or Pitts ahead of Waller, I'm not gonna

986
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:55,359
Speaker 3: really argue too much.

987
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:57,760
Speaker 1: I think that's sort of the thing, right because we all,

988
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: I think agree, Travis Kelsey is in a tier two himself.

989
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 1: Mark Andrews probably has his own tier to himself, that

990
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 1: second tier guy. But then you look, I mean the Hawkinson's, Kittles, Pitts, Goddard, Waller.

991
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 1: You could throw those names up in the air and

992
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 1: whatever order they land in, you're like, okay, yeah, exactly

993
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 1: works here. So I don't think it's completely crazy. It's

994
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 1: just for now, it seems like Waller's at seven. For

995
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 1: a lot of people, you got him at three. He is,

996
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 1: and we've talked about this on the show. He's probably

997
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 1: the only Giant I have, at least pass catcher that

998
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 1: I have any real.

999
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 2: Interest in drafting this year.

1000
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 1: A little bit further down the list, Juwan Johnson tight end, seventeen.

1001
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 1: By consensus, you got him at tight end ten. Again,

1002
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:38,399
Speaker 1: this sort of feels like I think after you get

1003
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:40,919
Speaker 1: past those top you know, seven or eight tight ends,

1004
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 1: it's another handful of guys you could probably just sprinkle

1005
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:45,760
Speaker 1: in pretty much any direction.

1006
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 3: At this point, it is like like we were talking before,

1007
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:51,879
Speaker 3: I like David and Joku, so I have him ahead

1008
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 3: of him. I like Evan Ingram, I have him there.

1009
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 3: Then there's Gerald, Everett, Chicka Conkole. For me, those five

1010
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 3: would be like the tier after that. I think there

1011
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 3: might be a little bit of a drop off, But

1012
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 3: I think people are low key sleeping on Juwan Johnson

1013
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 3: and just how good he was down the stretch. Like

1014
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,399
Speaker 3: there was a period where it was like, Okay, he's

1015
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 3: either gonna get you a touchdown or he's gonna give

1016
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 3: you nothing. But then down the stretch he was consistently

1017
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 3: seeing five, six, seven targets per game. And then the

1018
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 3: Saints went out and traded Adam Troutman. They didn't sign

1019
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 3: a tight end, they didn't draft one. I think Juwan

1020
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 3: Johnson is going to be the third target in this

1021
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 3: offense behind Olave Michael Thomas, depending on when we see

1022
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 3: Alvin Kamara return. But if Michael Thomas missed his time

1023
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 3: again and then we're talking about him potentially being your

1024
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:38,240
Speaker 3: number two target.

1025
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think I could see that happening.

1026
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 1: And again, I think when you're getting down that far

1027
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: in the tight end list, you just want somebody who

1028
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 1: could probably give you six to eight points in a week.

1029
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 1: You just want somebody who's not going to be a zero,

1030
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 1: maybe catch a touchdown and you could feel okay with that.

1031
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 1: And Johnson, as you mentioned, was a guy who very

1032
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 1: much did that. And we've seen now grantsed Derek Carr

1033
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 1: had Darren Waller for a number of years, but he

1034
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:02,359
Speaker 1: was not afraid to get his tight ends at well,

1035
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 1: even when Waller wasn't there. We saw Foster Morow getting

1036
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 1: involved in the raider passing game. So Derek Carr not

1037
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 1: afraid to integrate his tight ends into what he's doing.

1038
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 1: Last one, Daltonton kad tight end eleven by consensus, tight

1039
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 1: ends seventeen on your rankings. I know you have concerns

1040
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 1: about the Bills getting two tight ends on the field.

1041
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:24,359
Speaker 1: Is that why because you've also you're a little bit

1042
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: lower on I think Dawson Knox too than a lot

1043
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 1: of people's. It's just about the Bills getting two tight

1044
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: ends on the field.

1045
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, like I'd rather Kincaid than Knocks, But my thinking

1046
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:35,720
Speaker 3: is this is going to be an offensive philosophy shift

1047
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 3: from a now second year play caller. The Bills last

1048
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 3: year in the second fewest two tight end sets, and

1049
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 3: I know they keep saying they want to use Kincaid

1050
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 3: Morris a slot receiver, which I love, and I think

1051
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:48,959
Speaker 3: the upside to be a tight end one is there,

1052
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 3: But I don't love taking a rookie as a tight

1053
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 3: end one because I looked it up. Since two thousand,

1054
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 3: there's like six rookie tight ends who have averaged double

1055
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 3: digit Fantasy points per game, which is pretty rough. And

1056
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 3: then you add in that he's gonna have to be

1057
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 3: the offense is gonna have to change to get him

1058
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 3: out there. Kincaid's gonna have to do things a little

1059
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 3: bit differently than he's done it in college. And then

1060
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 3: what I think is one hundred percent getting overlooked. The

1061
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 3: Bills tend to ease their rookies along, and Sean McDermott

1062
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:21,359
Speaker 3: talks about the rookie wall more than any head coach

1063
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 3: that i've seen and like, look at last year, for

1064
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 3: an example, Kayer Elom, their first pick at the cornerback.

1065
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 3: They were throwing out undrafted players over him because they

1066
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,959
Speaker 3: were like, he's not ready. James Cook, we thought, okay,

1067
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 3: their second round pick, they're gonna use him. He didn't

1068
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 3: really get going until late in the season. So part

1069
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,359
Speaker 3: of me thinks that the Bills like to ease their

1070
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,359
Speaker 3: rookies along. And I've heard some stuff that like, it's

1071
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 3: gonna be different with Kinkaid because he's a pass catcher

1072
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 3: that they know they need to get the ball to.

1073
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:53,399
Speaker 3: But I like him a lot more as a tight

1074
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 3: end two. And maybe I have him a little bit

1075
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,320
Speaker 3: too low, But I don't love taking him as a

1076
00:49:58,360 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 3: tight end one.

1077
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 1: I think I I think the consensus ADP is sort

1078
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:05,799
Speaker 1: of based on a couple of things. One, it is

1079
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: the excitement over what he can be, especially as a

1080
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: pass catcher. And again, at that point, you have reached

1081
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 1: just a glut of tight ends that can sort of

1082
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 1: be ordered in kind of any direction, any sort of way.

1083
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 1: So why not take the shot on the guy that

1084
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 1: we believe has the most upside. And I think that's

1085
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 1: where you sort of land with Dalton Kincaid at eleven.

1086
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 1: I'm like sick looking he's going just behind Pat Fryarmouth,

1087
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:33,839
Speaker 1: ahead of Dalton Schultz, Chicaconko cole Comet. So I could

1088
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 1: see why people would just be like, you know what,

1089
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 1: out of all those guys, why not throw a dart?

1090
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 1: That's all I yeah, that's that's kind of what I

1091
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 1: am imagining.

1092
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 2: When people are sort of drafting. Here. There you go.

1093
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 1: That was a good slew of guys. And again, we'll

1094
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 1: do this a few more times. It's only may. We

1095
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 1: try to do this maybe once every few weeks and

1096
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 1: kind of take the pulse of the ADP world.

1097
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 2: And you know what we think and how we feel

1098
00:50:59,239 --> 00:50:59,800
Speaker 2: about guys.

1099
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 1: Time now for the latest edition of Florio's Film Festival,

1100
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 1: and this week we are watching Point Break, released in

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00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 1: July of nineteen ninety one. The reason I picked this

1102
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 1: movie and we talked about this last week. Coming out

1103
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 1: this week is Fast X, the tenth in the Fast

1104
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:20,800
Speaker 1: and Furious series. If you go all the way back

1105
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:23,800
Speaker 1: to two thousand and one, I think it was yeah

1106
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:26,359
Speaker 1: for the Fast and the Furious twenty two years ago,

1107
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:31,959
Speaker 1: you had The Fast and the Furious. Well ten years

1108
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 1: before that, yeah, Point Break. You just take out the cars,

1109
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 1: you insert surfing, and it's the same movie.

1110
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 2: The synopsis.

1111
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 1: A gang of bank robbers calling themselves the ex Presidents,

1112
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 1: commit their crimes while wearing the masks of former US presidents.

1113
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 1: The FBI believes that the members of the gang could

1114
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 1: be surfers and sends young agent Johnny Utah undercover at

1115
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 1: the beach to mix with the surfers and gather information.

1116
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 1: Utah meets surfer body, gets drawn into the lifestyle of

1117
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 1: his new friend, Your your takeaways.

1118
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 2: I kept telling you it's the same movie. Your takeaways from.

1119
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 3: This, and I've had friends before tell me that, like,

1120
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 3: you should watch Point Break. It's the exact same movie,

1121
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 3: And for the most part it is. I felt like

1122
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 3: it was a little bit like Point Break was a

1123
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 3: little bit more focused on like him actually being an

1124
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 3: FBI agent, where like Fast and the Furious kind of

1125
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 3: quickly forgets that.

1126
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 2: A terrible cop. Oh awful, this is a terrible.

1127
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 3: So there's a big difference between letting like Vin Diesel

1128
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 3: completely get away and letting body body just be like,

1129
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 3: all right, you're gonna go ride the wave and kill yourself,

1130
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 3: Like two very different scenarios.

1131
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 2: But I really liked the movie.

1132
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 3: I I do want to say, I wish, like, you know,

1133
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 3: there's another dimension out there where Fast and the Furious

1134
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:47,319
Speaker 3: didn't get all those sequels, but Point Break did. And

1135
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 3: like Pat Chick Swayze comes back.

1136
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 2: And what's the other actor, Kanu Reeves not Keanu Reeves? Uh,

1137
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 2: the two guy? Oh Gary Busey.

1138
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 3: Gary Busey comes back like three movies late, and he's okay,

1139
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 3: Like I would love to see that universe where that happens.

1140
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 3: But yeah, it was a really good movie, really entertaining,

1141
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:10,279
Speaker 3: And what I liked about it was the action was entertaining,

1142
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 3: but not like insanely over the top. And this is

1143
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 3: coming off of last week was Desperado, where we were saying,

1144
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:18,280
Speaker 3: like there was so much shooting that he was throwing

1145
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 3: bullets at one point, like that felt very unrealistic.

1146
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:23,760
Speaker 2: This felt like, yeah, this could happen.

1147
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:27,760
Speaker 3: And the ex Presidence is such a cool like gang

1148
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 3: of bank robbers and the way they refer to each

1149
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 3: other by name and they're in and out like it

1150
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:34,360
Speaker 3: it all seemed like, hey, this could easily happen.

1151
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it definitely, you know, there's a little more realism

1152
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:39,359
Speaker 1: to it than there was with Fast and the Furious, right,

1153
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:41,319
Speaker 1: I mean like Fast and Furious is like, we're just

1154
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 1: going to show you beautiful people driving really fast and

1155
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:46,360
Speaker 1: all by the way, they commit crimes while they're at it.

1156
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:46,959
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1157
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 1: It you talk about there being a sequel, There was

1158
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 1: actually talking. I think there was a script for a

1159
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 1: sequel and for whatever reason, it just never materialized. It

1160
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:55,800
Speaker 1: never got off the ground.

1161
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 2: Is it someone I don't I don't know if it

1162
00:53:57,760 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 2: was Whine.

1163
00:53:58,200 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 3: Someone came in and was like, do not watch the

1164
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 3: second one? And I was like, oh, there's the second one.

1165
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:01,879
Speaker 2: I didn't.

1166
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 1: Well, the second one is in. There was a remake

1167
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 1: of it, but it was not an actual sequel. But yeah,

1168
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 1: the second one was trash.

1169
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1170
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 3: I'm not a big fan of remakes. I think they

1171
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:15,479
Speaker 3: usually ruin it when they try to do that. But yeah,

1172
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 3: even like the one thing that made me laugh was

1173
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,319
Speaker 3: I was like all of these surfers and like they

1174
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 3: know who he is and they're like.

1175
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 2: Oh you Ohio State, Like we love football. I was

1176
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:26,360
Speaker 2: like that worked out pretty conveniently.

1177
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, like they like heiny Johnny Utah, you

1178
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 1: won the rose Ball, you beat sc Boom, you beat

1179
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 1: sc in the Rose Bowl and you got your knee

1180
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:36,359
Speaker 1: folded up and that was why you never went pro.

1181
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 1: Which also, you know, nineteen ninety one you have a

1182
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 1: major knee injury. And he said he had two years

1183
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 1: worth of surgeries. Like nowadays, you'll fast forward almost thirty years, right,

1184
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 1: Like guys get their knees wrecked and they come back

1185
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:50,239
Speaker 1: the next year because medicine has advanced.

1186
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:52,399
Speaker 3: That was one thing that I note when he was like, yeah,

1187
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 3: I tore my acl and that was it for me.

1188
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:57,759
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, man, you you played twenty years

1189
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 3: too early, because you would be back being the number

1190
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 3: one like they said he was, he the Heisman winner

1191
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:04,840
Speaker 3: or something. He was like he was all at all conference,

1192
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 3: which he'd be in the NFL in in our.

1193
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 1: World now, yeah, I mean, you know he he'd have

1194
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 1: been c. J. Stroud something like that at this point.

1195
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 1: Uh No, it's Keanu. Reeves practiced with the UCLA quarterback

1196
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:19,799
Speaker 1: coaches to help him with the football scene. Also not

1197
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 1: the last time he played a quarterback in a movie.

1198
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 1: He also was a former Ohio State quarterback in the

1199
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 1: movie The Replacements, which I.

1200
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:32,360
Speaker 3: Like The Replacements a lot, but I'm guessing in a

1201
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 3: fictional Football World that Johnny Utah was the better.

1202
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:37,839
Speaker 1: I think Johnny Utah was probably Shane Falco obviously had

1203
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 1: the longer career because he never turned blew out his knee.

1204
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 1: He just was fixing boats or something. He at a

1205
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 1: dock when he got you know, when he got invited

1206
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:49,919
Speaker 1: to play. Uh but I think Johnny Utah probably would

1207
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 1: have had the better career had he not gotten hurt.

1208
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:57,279
Speaker 2: Johnny Utah also is insane. That is the name. Well,

1209
00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 2: that's a great name, which apparently he.

1210
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 1: Won because he wont He loved Johnny Unitus and Joe

1211
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 1: Montana and so that's how they came.

1212
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 2: Up with sort of Johnny. It makes a lot of sense.

1213
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great football name. But he's just insane.

1214
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:11,439
Speaker 3: And we were talking about it before before the show.

1215
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:15,800
Speaker 3: Jumps out of a plane with no parachute.

1216
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:17,840
Speaker 2: In his second time ever jumping out of a plane.

1217
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 2: He does it without hesitation.

1218
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 3: He's just like, oh man, now I gotta do this

1219
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:24,319
Speaker 3: with a gun in his hand, the biggest gun.

1220
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:27,760
Speaker 2: Shoot. Uh yeah. I thought he was going to shoot

1221
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 2: the gun out of the plane. I thought that was

1222
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:31,720
Speaker 2: his plan. When he like looks and.

1223
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 1: He just leaps, I was like this guy is insane

1224
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 1: speaking which Patrick swayzey apparently was an accomplished skydiver, and

1225
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 1: he actually did the skydiving scene himself.

1226
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 2: I've never been, but I really want to go sky

1227
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 2: I had never really had any interest.

1228
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 1: I rewatched the movie for this and I was like,

1229
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 1: you know, maybe maybe that's the thing I tried. Like

1230
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:51,799
Speaker 1: I never really had the idea of it, and like

1231
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:54,800
Speaker 1: maybe just the adrenaline rush of watching this movie a guy.

1232
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 2: Always wanted to do it.

1233
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 3: And then like there was like one day when my friend,

1234
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 3: like a friend of mine, was like, I'm going right now,

1235
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 3: and I was like, no, I need to prepare for this.

1236
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 3: I can't just I'm not Johnny Utah. I can't just

1237
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 3: jump out of a plane at a moment's notice.

1238
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 1: Also, for many of the surfing scenes, Patrick Swayze refused

1239
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:10,799
Speaker 1: to use a stunt double since he never had one

1240
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:14,400
Speaker 1: for fight scenes or car chases, so he did a

1241
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 1: lot of the surfing too. Shout out to Patrick Swayzee

1242
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 1: for like, Yeah, that is all incredible business.

1243
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:24,800
Speaker 2: So does it hold up? Would you watch this movie again? Yeah?

1244
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 3: Not only does it hold up, it's now we've we've

1245
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:29,840
Speaker 3: watched a good amount of movies as part of the

1246
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 3: film series. My top two continue to be Keanu Reeves movies.

1247
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 3: This might be number one, and then I like to

1248
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 3: Speed a lot as well. Interesting but point break was

1249
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 3: it was fun, you know, like, yeah, the jumping out

1250
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:44,600
Speaker 3: of a plane was like, oh my god. But besides that,

1251
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 3: it all seemed like very plausible and not like two

1252
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 3: over the top and.

1253
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 2: Even probably more.

1254
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 3: Realists like that Fast one where yeah, like where he

1255
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 3: just forgets that he's a cop and and all that.

1256
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 2: But and the other thing.

1257
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 3: That's crazy about Fast is like, I get that they're

1258
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 3: into cars. Why would all the other world class criminals

1259
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 3: be that into street racing? But that's another conversation for

1260
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 3: another day. Uh yeah, this the fact too that he

1261
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 3: finds him in Australia and he tracks him down and

1262
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 3: he throws the mask in front of him.

1263
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 2: I was like, that's such a cool scene. Like, I'll

1264
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 2: say this.

1265
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 1: The one thing I did laugh about rewatching it is

1266
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 1: that the FBI thought it was an absolutely ridiculous idea

1267
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 1: that a group of criminals in Los Angeles could possibly

1268
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 1: also be surfer, Like why, why is this such a ridiculous,

1269
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 1: laughable idea that people in La could possibly surf and

1270
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 1: do crime, like you could do anything and also be

1271
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 1: a surfer, Like it's Los Angeles, what happens here?

1272
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 3: The one question I had was how does he get

1273
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 3: out of being like I understand that that he just

1274
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 3: kind of gets taken out of there, but like he

1275
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 3: robbed a bank, that would probably hurt him a little bit.

1276
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 1: Yes, I would think there would be some legal repercussions

1277
00:58:56,760 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 1: to him being involved materially in a bank robbery. I mean,

1278
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 1: you're on camera with a gun, like in the middle

1279
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 1: of it.

1280
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 3: I also thought it was bad planning on their part

1281
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 3: to be like, we know you're in the FBI.

1282
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 2: And where may can you come? Rob come along with you?

1283
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 2: Don't want to bring the cops with you?

1284
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 1: On that show, which everybody else in the gang was

1285
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 1: sort of the voice of reason on this or like body,

1286
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 1: we should probably just go now, and him being.

1287
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 2: Super Zin and Chow was like no, man, like being

1288
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 2: all spiritual, like.

1289
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 1: No, this is a game, Like no, not really, because

1290
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:27,120
Speaker 1: all of your guys got killed.

1291
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 3: That was the one thing watching and I was like,

1292
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 3: if this happened in real life, they would have brought

1293
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:33,920
Speaker 3: him into the van or wherever they were, and they

1294
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:35,640
Speaker 3: would have just killed him, killed him or like just

1295
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 3: dumped his body. Yeah, exactly, and they would not be like,

1296
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Speaker 3: this is fun. Let's have him know who we are

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Speaker 3: and come after us.

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Speaker 2: So skydiving with the cop that's trying to catch up.

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00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 3: Because if body, listen, if you did what you had

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00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:49,480
Speaker 3: to do in that van, you you get to surf

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00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 3: that wave, you get to live the life that you wanted.

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00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 2: To live because you probably get away with it. Exactly.

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00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 3: He was the only one, well, him and and Gary

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00:59:57,120 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 3: Busey were the only ones who knew who they were,

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00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:01,360
Speaker 3: and like kill them both and that's it.

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Speaker 2: That's the end. That would be completely the end.

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Speaker 1: It's funny though, because you know now that we mentioned

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01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:08,439
Speaker 1: here there's two movies in which Cama Reeves is a

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01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:11,360
Speaker 1: former Ohio State quarterback. I would love one day maybe

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01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:12,960
Speaker 1: we should do this is go through and do like

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01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 1: a ranking of fictional football players.

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01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 2: Oh, we could definitely do that.

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01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 1: You know, we get Shane Falco and Johnny Utah and

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01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 1: Willie Beaman and I mean, we can just go on.

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Speaker 2: All Paul thought, which Paul crewe would it be for you?

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Speaker 2: For me, it's Adam Sandler. That's that's the one I

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01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 2: grew up with. Yeah, yeah, it's supposed to the the

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01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 2: Burt Reynolds, Paul Crewe.

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01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 1: But yeah, we should we should a should put together

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01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:40,360
Speaker 1: a ranking of fictional football players.

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Speaker 2: Sort of thing.

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's just from those movies alone, because there's

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01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 3: so many. Any the Ice Box from Little Johns, I'd

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01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:47,880
Speaker 3: want to rank her up pretty high.

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01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we go on and on. I'm thinking of

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01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 1: the program, and I can't think of the Oh.

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01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 2: Joe Caine from the program?

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01:00:57,360 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 3: Can we get I know it's not a movie, but

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01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 3: can can Friday Night Lights qualifying? Sure?

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01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:04,760
Speaker 2: Why not? We'll get the you know, Oh yeah, well

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01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 2: I'm thinking of the TV. The TV. Yeah, the movie,

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01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 2: I mean the movie.

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01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:11,919
Speaker 1: Obviously, the movie was based on a book which based

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01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 1: on a real school, and then they turned it into

1335
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 1: a TV show and fictionalized it was great for.

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01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:20,480
Speaker 2: Like two or three seasons and fell off hard. So

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01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 2: there it is.

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Speaker 1: So that's a that's our point break recap next week

1339
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 1: con Air, because I think somehow we ended up with

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01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:29,200
Speaker 1: having a con Air discussion questions.

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01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:34,120
Speaker 2: Yes Keanu reads and he is not, but Steve Bushimi is. Okay.

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01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:36,600
Speaker 1: I think that's how we talked about it because Steve Bush,

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01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:41,200
Speaker 1: because Desperado. Steve and Danny Trejo, who were both in Desperado,

1344
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 1: are also both in Cone.

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01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:43,720
Speaker 2: Is it la based?

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01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:46,840
Speaker 1: Uh No, Actually it does not. It does not evolve it,

1347
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 1: but it does involve Nicholas Cage, so strap in.

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01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:53,480
Speaker 3: There's so many face off memes that I now understand,

1349
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:56,720
Speaker 3: by the way, and they're hilarious, but for so long

1350
01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:58,000
Speaker 3: I didn't understand any of them.

1351
01:01:58,160 --> 01:01:59,440
Speaker 1: This is also what we're gonna do. We we are

1352
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:02,320
Speaker 1: educating young Florio on memes too. Now there's gonna be

1353
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:04,080
Speaker 1: so many more memes that he's like, oh, I get

1354
01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:06,480
Speaker 1: it now because he's seen the movies that they are

1355
01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 1: attached to. By the way, not only is this point break,

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01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:11,120
Speaker 1: I mean, we'd love to talk about it because we

1357
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:13,360
Speaker 1: were talking about it, but also it's sort of the

1358
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:17,040
Speaker 1: swan song for ow Ryan Dennis. He's not leaving forever,

1359
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:18,960
Speaker 1: least hopefully not forever, but we are sending him out

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01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:21,520
Speaker 1: into the wilderness for five months because that's sort of

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01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:22,280
Speaker 1: what we do here.

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01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:23,120
Speaker 2: I don't know.

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01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:25,640
Speaker 1: It's like a real weird ride of initiation. You and

1364
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:28,440
Speaker 1: I went through it, Oh yeah a few times. It's

1365
01:02:28,520 --> 01:02:31,080
Speaker 1: it's fun if you you know, it's what you make it.

1366
01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:32,919
Speaker 1: You have plenty of time to watch all the Fast

1367
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:35,200
Speaker 1: and furious, watch all the fast movies. Go to the beach,

1368
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:37,600
Speaker 1: enjoy your five months. Hopefully we'll see you back.

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01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:39,800
Speaker 2: On the surfer. Avoid bank robbers.

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01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:41,800
Speaker 1: Yes, avoid bank robbers. You know I shot because Ryan

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01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:43,920
Speaker 1: not only helped us produce this podcast, did a great job.

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01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:45,360
Speaker 1: He was also the person who did a lot of

1373
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:45,880
Speaker 1: the graphics.

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01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:46,520
Speaker 2: A lot of the.

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01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:50,520
Speaker 1: Florio Film Festival graphics that you've seen with Mike's face,

1376
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:52,240
Speaker 1: you know, photoshopped in.

1377
01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:53,600
Speaker 2: That was all Ryan.

1378
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:57,240
Speaker 1: So we appreciate all your hard work. Enjoy your time off,

1379
01:02:57,240 --> 01:02:59,160
Speaker 1: and hopefully we will see you back again. What is

1380
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:01,480
Speaker 1: this is may so I guess in time for like

1381
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:04,480
Speaker 1: week seven, six or seven or something.

1382
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:07,439
Speaker 2: You know, week one. Let's just if you're listening.

1383
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 3: It'd be great, it'd be great management. If you want

1384
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:11,120
Speaker 3: to bring it back for week one, the podcast can

1385
01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:13,680
Speaker 3: desperately use it more. Even the preseason. We would certainly

1386
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 3: or now or now we'd appreciate all of that. But

1387
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:18,880
Speaker 3: in the meantime we still got we got plenty of

1388
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:22,200
Speaker 3: people helping us out here. Albert's gone too, so the

1389
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:25,360
Speaker 3: cast is getting smaller. The Fellowship of the Ring is

1390
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:27,760
Speaker 3: breaking up. It hurts my heart, but we still have

1391
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:30,160
Speaker 3: plenty of people here to lost Randy to l huddle.

1392
01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:33,000
Speaker 3: I don't even want to talk about. It's making it sad.

1393
01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:36,840
Speaker 3: It's making me totally sad in the meantime, so I

1394
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:39,240
Speaker 3: stopped being sad. Let's let's wrap this one up. We

1395
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:42,000
Speaker 3: appreciate you hanging out with us as you always do on.

1396
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:44,120
Speaker 1: This show and putting up with our ridiculous movie talk

1397
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:46,040
Speaker 1: at the end of each overy pod. That would do

1398
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:48,520
Speaker 1: it for this edition of the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast,

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01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:50,840
Speaker 1: The Happy, Safe, and Healthy, do good and live well,

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01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:52,040
Speaker 1: enjoy the movies, Enjoy the.

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01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 2: Weekend, and we'll talk to you next week.

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Speaker 3: Don't don't help h