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Speaker 3: Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron, and each week are Beyond Contact,

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Speaker 3: explore the latest news in ufology, discuss some of the

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Speaker 4: Welcome to Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Ron, and today I'm

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Speaker 4: going to be speaking with Katie Page. Katie conducts independent

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Speaker 4: investigations and research into different aspects of the UFO phenomenon.

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Speaker 4: Most prominently, she focuses on a ranch in Colorado that's

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Speaker 4: been referred to as the Skinwalker Ranch of Colorado since

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Speaker 4: it too, also has a lot of, as Katie puts it,

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Speaker 4: high strangeness happening there. Her personal experiences there as a

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Speaker 4: kid is what first motivated her interest in ufology. She's

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Speaker 4: written a book about these UFO sightings and the high strangeness,

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Speaker 4: and now she's working on a follow up book. Also,

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Speaker 4: Katie was Colorado's former Moufon state director. She can also

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Speaker 4: currently be heard on the UAP Studies podcast, and I'm

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Speaker 4: happy to add that she's also part of our team

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Speaker 4: here at Contact in the Desert. Hey Katie, how you doing.

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Speaker 5: I'm doing fantastic. Happy holidays everybody, and it's great to

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Speaker 4: Ron absolutely so. Wow. Another ranch. You know, we've all

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Speaker 4: heard about Skinwalker Ranch and blind Frog Ranch. They've been

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Speaker 4: on TV, they've been getting a lot of publicity. We

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Speaker 4: even featured Dwayne Allinger from blind Frog at Contact last year.

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Speaker 4: Both of those get a lot of UFO sightings as

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Speaker 4: well as other strange happenings. This one you're talking about

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Speaker 4: sounds right in line with those, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely. I mean for me, you know, I started in

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Speaker 5: this field of ethology now maybe thirteen fourteen years ago,

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Speaker 5: kind of compartmentalized all these different things that I had

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Speaker 5: late seventies out on in Olbert County in Colorado, on

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Speaker 5: this ranch. Well, we were threatened in Warren never to

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Speaker 5: anybody knew anything about this ranch. And it really predates

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Speaker 5: the Skinwalker Ranch by over a decade. We just never

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Speaker 5: field investigator in twenty twelve. I had questions about everything

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Speaker 5: in that book, in a chapter called Other Hotspots, I

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Speaker 5: kind of the strange dynamics of the family because, you know,

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Speaker 5: Out there, there were mutilations occurring almost daily. So as

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Speaker 5: But if it wasn't for that book Hunt for the Skinwalker,

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Speaker 4: Chris, synchronicity that you happen to be reading this book

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Speaker 5: I hated doing it the nighttime. Obviously we're all afraid

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Speaker 5: I was nervous on many levels because here I am,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, isn't there a lot of UFO sightings right in

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Speaker 5: For sure? And was fascinating, just like the uent to

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Speaker 5: What is it with these high quote unquote high strangeness locations?

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Speaker 4: It's interesting how even the branch Our Ranch that's a

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Speaker 4: why are UFOs interested in our ranches. Maybe there is

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Speaker 5: At that very moment, This disembodied electronic sounding boys basically

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Speaker 4: This is a horrifying moment, and I know you tried

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Speaker 4: It is scary. It's almost like demonic. You were a

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Speaker 5: It was terrifying. It was because one of the questions

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Speaker 4: Adults all of this, And in my research I found

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Speaker 5: There's something called plasma ball technology, and plasma ball technology

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Speaker 5: Right, That's always been my argument too, because that property

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Speaker 4: Beyond Contact. We're talking to Katie Page. Katie, you talk

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So, like I mentioned at the top of the show,

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Speaker 4: What does anything point? Do you see similarities that point

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00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:08,120
Speaker 4: to one thing or another?

433
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:13,080
Speaker 5: I do, And it's so multi faceted and multi layered.

434
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 5: I mean, like I mentioned earlier, these geological commonalities, the magnetism,

435
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,159
Speaker 5: the water. But a lot of these areas in the

436
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,639
Speaker 5: Midwest and will across the country for that matter. You

437
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,400
Speaker 5: hear the old tales like, oh, it's haunted because it's

438
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 5: on old burial ground, right or you know, but that's true.

439
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,639
Speaker 5: I mean in that area, it was a very nomadic land.

440
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:37,159
Speaker 5: Same with Skinwalker Ranch. You have the Utes, the Cheyenne,

441
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 5: the Cherokee, the Pawnee, the Kiowa, the Comanche, you know,

442
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,560
Speaker 5: and they're forming an alliance, So I don't know if a

443
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:48,399
Speaker 5: lot of these battles and happenings the land retains that

444
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 5: and plays it over like a recording. You have the

445
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,879
Speaker 5: strange hitchhiker effect. And what's interesting in just talking with

446
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:57,359
Speaker 5: George Knapp who was telling us on Skinwalker, the Knits

447
00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,959
Speaker 5: team would be out there and you'd have these guys research,

448
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 5: but the hitchhiker effect would attached to their wives on

449
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 5: the East Coast that didn't even visit the ranch, and

450
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 5: what is that about. So there's that spiritual aspect of it.

451
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 5: Then I also feel like there's we play a role

452
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 5: in the phenomena as well, the disassociation piece, the trauma piece,

453
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:22,480
Speaker 5: what we can manifest and interact with, So that's another layer.

454
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 5: Then there's the military piece and black access projects and

455
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 5: what they're experimenting with on these properties. And I've come

456
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:35,639
Speaker 5: to theorize anyway that the phenomenon came first and then

457
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 5: the military was curious about what was going on and

458
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 5: came in, So you have that happening at the same time.

459
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,920
Speaker 5: So it kind of gets into this messy so many

460
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 5: different things occurring at these locations.

461
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 4: How do the UFOs, which are in the title of

462
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,160
Speaker 4: that book. The UFOs and experience or things tie into

463
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,280
Speaker 4: this because what you've been telling us seems like these

464
00:24:56,359 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 4: disembodied voices and it almost sounds much more spiritual or

465
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 4: demonic to me than UFO and alien. How does that

466
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 4: tie in.

467
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,920
Speaker 5: Yeah. One of the fascinating things that on season one

468
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:11,399
Speaker 5: for Beyond Skinwalker they brought in David Morehouse to do

469
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 5: the biggest remote view that was ever conducted in the

470
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:17,440
Speaker 5: country on the ranch property. And they even remote viewed

471
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 5: that scary night we talked about, which is fascinating. So

472
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,640
Speaker 5: here's the camera crews. David Morehouse sets up this wonderful

473
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 5: power presentation. They had over seventy remote viewers from I

474
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 5: believe it was six different countries remote view this property.

475
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,920
Speaker 5: And what the remote viewers came away with over six

476
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,159
Speaker 5: thousand data points. It was mind blowing. I think we

477
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 5: spent two two and a half hours going through so

478
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 5: much so the network Beyond Skinwalker didn't even know what

479
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 5: to do with it, so they didn't. They left it

480
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 5: out of season one and there was a special like

481
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 5: seven minutes bonus they put on History Channel for a

482
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 5: while that people to see. And now you can actually

483
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 5: YouTube it if you do Rocky Mountain Ranch, David Morehouse.

484
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 5: But they talked about, you know, this portal aspects or

485
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 5: this kind of these locations that are highways for these

486
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 5: UAPs and UFOs and talk about aliens. Now, this is

487
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 5: where it gets really strange. And I personally never encountered

488
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 5: like seeing an alien or interacting with an alien, or

489
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 5: I have no memories of being a board of craft

490
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 5: or anything like that. But there's a few of the

491
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 5: adults on the property at the time that did sketch

492
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 5: pictures of ET and claimed to have had landed craft

493
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 5: on the property and communicated with you know, when I

494
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:31,680
Speaker 5: was on Paul Giamani show, he called them the two

495
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 5: be guys, these to be guys, And there was in

496
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 5: the reports it said there were two types of ets,

497
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 5: a Nordic, the blonde, blue eyed, and these two be

498
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:44,119
Speaker 5: almost ai type of extraterrestrials, and that they were in

499
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 5: conflict with one another and basically, if you leave us alone,

500
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 5: we'll leave you alone. We're here doing whatever they're doing.

501
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,119
Speaker 5: I don't know what they're doing, but that's kind of

502
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,640
Speaker 5: what was reported there. And I, you know, it's interesting

503
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 5: because of these strange boxes which I kind of associate

504
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:02,400
Speaker 5: more with these AI typeses and the cattle mutilations. They

505
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 5: claimed to have these communications with these aliens. And for me,

506
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 5: the most fascinating thing that happened is I was the

507
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 5: guest speaker coordinator for Colorado MOOFON at the time, and

508
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 5: we had invited a gentleman who wrote a book called

509
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:21,120
Speaker 5: Flashbacks to give a presentation, Sean Bartok, and he had

510
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,159
Speaker 5: a ranch property. In the book he says it was

511
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 5: in Castle Rock, Colorado. Come to find out after talking

512
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,639
Speaker 5: with him, it was fourteen miles away from the ranch.

513
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 5: And I'm sitting there watching his presentation, and up pops

514
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 5: two drawings of these ets that he had encountered, and

515
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 5: they were almost identical to what was reported on the

516
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:43,400
Speaker 5: Rocky Mountain ranch. The tubes, the heavy brow, the wrinkles,

517
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 5: and I'm like, holy smokes, wait a minute. And we

518
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,199
Speaker 5: didn't know each other, so how does that happen? So

519
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:52,400
Speaker 5: I think there's some credibility to those et sketches.

520
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love when something matches like that. We are

521
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,400
Speaker 4: almost identical the two different drawings, and.

522
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,640
Speaker 5: Then the one shows the tubes in the and Sean goes, oh, yeah,

523
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 5: we saw this et almost like the predator up in

524
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 5: the tree and those tubes come out of the neck.

525
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 5: So we had a sketch of them out and I

526
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 5: was like, oh my gosh, that looks just like the

527
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 5: one that was sketched on.

528
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 4: Which seems like a technological thing, like maybe they can't

529
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 4: breathe here or some sort of atmospheric thing. Right, it

530
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,479
Speaker 4: doesn't seem biological, doesn't it seem even like the AI

531
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 4: that you're referring to that triggered that memory for you

532
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,160
Speaker 4: does seem technological. Obviously.

533
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, it makes sense to me that if we were

534
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 5: going to send something out, you know, we would send

535
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 5: Elon Musk's new Optimists you know, out there, not us.

536
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 5: Why would we risk a human life? We would send

537
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 5: optimists optimist mention.

538
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 4: That that works twenty four to seven. It doesn't get sick,

539
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 4: it doesn't die, it doesn't complain, it doesn't right, all

540
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 4: those things our advantages for using AI, which obviously I

541
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 4: think is the way everything is heading.

542
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 5: Right for sure, So I mean that that is just incredible.

543
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 5: And they claim that they had a couple interactions where

544
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 5: they actually were landed, And it's interesting historically if you

545
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 5: go back and you look at cases from the seventies.

546
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 5: You see a lot of that. I mean, nineteen seventy

547
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 5: seven we have Star Wars and Close Encounters of the

548
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 5: Third kind. That being said, all this stuff started, you

549
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 5: know in the early seventies. Did they get a lot

550
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 5: of those ideas for those films? When I was a

551
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 5: kid and I saw Close Encounters of the Third Kind

552
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 5: for the first time with the mutilations and things that

553
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 5: I thought I was watching the documentary because at that

554
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 5: time in my life, I was sort of living that story,

555
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 5: you know, And it wasn't until just recent I was like, oh,

556
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 5: I bet not everybody saw it the same way I saw.

557
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 4: It, you know, I think that's what they think now

558
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 4: is certainly Close Encounters is known as a film that

559
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 4: really does depict as close to reality as we've heard

560
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 4: time and time again from different experiences.

561
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 5: I believe that's true. You know, those ideas come from

562
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 5: more reality than we might think.

563
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 4: Absolutely, Hey, we're going to take a break here, Katie.

564
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 4: When we come back, we're going to talk to Katie

565
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 4: Page more about her experience as the State Director of

566
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 4: Colorado Moffon and find out some of the cases that

567
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 4: she's dealt with there and other UFO experiences that she's encountered.

568
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 4: We're listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast

569
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 4: to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. We are back on

570
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 4: Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Ron. We're talking to Katie Page here. Katie,

571
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 4: you've had these interesting experiences on the ranch, but also

572
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 4: you are the state director of Colorado for MoveOn. Can

573
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 4: you tell us a little bit about that experience and

574
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 4: what are some of the best or strongest cases for

575
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 4: UFOs or even aliens that you came across as the

576
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 4: state director for Colorado.

577
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, what an honor it was to be state director

578
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,959
Speaker 5: for Colorado. We have such a strong group here in

579
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 5: wonderful training in that field investigator. So it's just a

580
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 5: fantastic group to be a part of a great state

581
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 5: because it's a pretty active state. A couple cases stick

582
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 5: out in my mind. Of course, I do naturally have

583
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 5: a bias to the area of Elbert County, so this

584
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 5: particular one. The county that sits right next to Elbert

585
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 5: County is Douglas County and this report. I love daytime

586
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 5: sightings a VUAP, you know, you get better video, better photographs,

587
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 5: and a little tip for the listeners. If you're filming

588
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 5: something or taking a picture of something in the sky,

589
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 5: try to catch a rooftop or a tree or something.

590
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 5: Don't always zoom right in, because when you're zooming right

591
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 5: in on a photo, you kind of lose that perspective

592
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 5: and it's hard to tell what you're looking at. However,

593
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 5: this one particular case, this woman is driving to work

594
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 5: in the morning. She's in Douglas County, and she sees

595
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 5: this really low right above the tree tops, this thing

596
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 5: morphing shape, and she's trying to figure out what am

597
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 5: I looking at? Another thing I love when witnessers are

598
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 5: trying to logically figure out am I looking at birds?

599
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 5: Am I looking what? In this? So she pulls the

600
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 5: car Another important tip if you're watching something, please pull

601
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 5: the car over. She pulled the car over, is trying

602
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 5: to figure out what she's looking at, and she's describing

603
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 5: this object as like a special effects in a movie,

604
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 5: she said. And as she's watching it, two low flying

605
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 5: fighter jets come in right after it, she said, lower

606
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 5: than she's ever seen. I mean Buckley Air Force Base,

607
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 5: which is now Space Force is pretty close by. They

608
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 5: probably scramble them out of Buckley and as they're coming

609
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 5: in towards this object, the thing just vanishes. And then

610
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 5: she said one of the fighters went to the east,

611
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 5: one went to the west, and that was it. I

612
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 5: love that sighting because it was close up. It was

613
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 5: right over the trees. These fighter jets came in, which

614
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 5: always fascinates me because that takes some time. So that

615
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:49,479
Speaker 5: says to me that they're watching this thing on radar

616
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 5: where they have eyes on it somehow if they're able

617
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 5: to scramble these jets after it that quickly. So that's

618
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 5: a good case and I love those. About fifty percent

619
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 5: of the cases that I closed and others in color

620
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 5: to move on our daytime cases. So I think that's

621
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 5: a misnomer that people think if you're going to spot

622
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 5: a UAP or UFO, it's going to be at night.

623
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 5: That's not necessarily true.

624
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 4: Well, that's interesting. The fifty percent are daylight sightings. That's

625
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 4: very interesting. Let me ask you this, what percentage of

626
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 4: cases did you guys find a terrestrial explanation for.

627
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 5: Gosh, ninety percent? You know, it's almost a joke to me,

628
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 5: Like you come in and you're thinking, Ah, who's gonna

629
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 5: you know, misidentify the planet Venus. But you'd be surprised,

630
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 5: you know. And of course I was State director right

631
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 5: when starlinks were being launched, so we had so many

632
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 5: Starlink reports that we finally had to do like a

633
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 5: quick case clothes on it because there were so many

634
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 5: of those coming in. But we'd have a lot of

635
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 5: Planet Venus, a lot of birds, a lot of bugs.

636
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 5: You'd be surprised, you.

637
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 4: Know, if you start surprised at all. I stay on

638
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 4: this show all the time that it's great that you

639
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 4: said ninety I always say it's it's over ninety nine,

640
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 4: over ninety nine percent of all. If you think you're

641
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 4: seeing something, it most likely have a terrestrial explansion. It's

642
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 4: very easy through our visual cortex or whatever to see

643
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,800
Speaker 4: something and you don't realize that those lights are behind

644
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 4: this thing, or it's so often just a misidentification. Yeah,

645
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 4: people always when you see these videos now and they

646
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Speaker 4: post them, the person filming it immediately will say, oftentimes

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Speaker 4: I just filmed the UFO. It's great and fun to

648
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 4: jump to that conclusion, but in reality, there's going to

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Speaker 4: be one hundred other things we need to check first.

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Speaker 4: And I do think that there is a tiny, tiny

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Speaker 4: percentage of these that very well, maybe off world, off planet,

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Speaker 4: off whatever, it may be something else, but the vast

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Speaker 4: majority of the time it will have a terrestrial explanation.

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Speaker 4: That doesn't mean you shouldn't film it or try to

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Speaker 4: capture it or get as much data as you can,

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Speaker 4: because maybe it's one of those tiny fractions, but in

657
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Speaker 4: most cases it's going to turn out that way. And

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Speaker 4: it's good to hear that you guys are actually solving

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Speaker 4: this because I think some people think that you guys,

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Speaker 4: because it's a uf organization, you want it to be

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Speaker 4: a UFO, and you maybe would want to push that narrative.

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Speaker 4: But it's good to hear that you guys do ninety

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Speaker 4: percent of the time dismiss them or close it being terrestrial.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and you know, I also headed up the move

665
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Speaker 5: on Mars program, which was all the reports that were

666
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Speaker 5: done from nineteen sixty nine till we went digital and

667
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,399
Speaker 5: put them all on the computer. And that was three

668
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Speaker 5: years of a team of fifteen people redacting personal private information.

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Speaker 5: And you could see, you know, you got to consider

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Speaker 5: people's biases. So you do have those that really want

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Speaker 5: to believe it's extraterrestrial, and then you have the other

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Speaker 5: where nothing is right, so you always have to look

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Speaker 5: at all that. And I something I always tell people

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Speaker 5: if they want to go out and investigate UFOs, something

675
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Speaker 5: I did with my field investigators is we would go

676
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Speaker 5: out and intentionally in the day and in the evening

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Speaker 5: send up Marlar balloons and take pictures of them because

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Speaker 5: when they tumble in the wind and they get up

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Speaker 5: there an atmosphere, you'd be surprised how they look. And

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Speaker 5: photographs and videos. We would do that with Marlar balloons.

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Speaker 5: And then you also have like the lit drones and stuff.

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Speaker 5: So if you go out there or people with lit

683
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 5: frisbees go toss one, take some pictures and look at them,

684
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Speaker 5: you'd be surprised how much they look like UFOs. You

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Speaker 5: start in a collection of things you can compare things to.

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Speaker 5: You have to consider all of these different things. Chinese

687
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 5: lanterns the same thing. We would let those go and

688
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 5: take pictures. So it's really good to have that to

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Speaker 5: look at. You know.

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Speaker 4: Two commit absolutely, So, Katie, you've been looking at this

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Speaker 4: topic in one way or another since you were nine

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00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 4: years old, so let's say that's over ten years ago.

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Speaker 4: At least I would like to know sitting there today,

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Speaker 4: What is your walk away? What do you think is

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Speaker 4: happening regards to UFOs and aliens. Do you feel you

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00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,919
Speaker 4: have a guess or a gut feeling as to what's

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Speaker 4: going on.

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Speaker 5: Well, that's a heavy question, Ron, and it's on any

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Speaker 5: given day of the week. I ebb and flow with

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Speaker 5: what I think is going on. I really truly do.

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Speaker 5: Sometimes if you catch me on the right day, I'll

702
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 5: be like, it's all us, it's all our military, it's

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00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 5: all Black Access project. But however, that being said, when

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Speaker 5: you go visit, like I just visited twice recently, the

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Speaker 5: National UFO Historical Record Center out there, and we are

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Speaker 5: ranch on New Mexico, and you see the vast amount

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00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 5: of documents and reports, I mean even from these pilot reports,

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00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 5: military reports, credible people out there seeing things they truly

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Speaker 5: can explain. I've experienced things that I truly cannot explain.

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Speaker 5: So there has to be more to this than just us.

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Speaker 5: There has to be, Like you, I think it's a

712
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 5: very small percentage of what we're seeing, but it's out

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00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 5: there and it exists, and it's visiting whatever it is,

714
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Speaker 5: whoever it is, whether it's AI component, you know, these

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Speaker 5: things that have the five observables that could go in

716
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 5: and out of the water, and something's to that, and

717
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 5: maybe they're here, maybe they're living under our oceans. That

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Speaker 5: could be a possibility. I don't know, but something's going

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Speaker 5: on enough to keep me going continuously in looking for

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Speaker 5: these answers and making connections.

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Speaker 4: What about November eleventh, Yeah, that's.

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Speaker 5: A fascinating thing. So in the report out a Rocky

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Speaker 5: Mountain ranch on November eleventh, nineteen seventy five, there were

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Speaker 5: two a seventy scrambled in pursuit of a UFO quote

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Speaker 5: end quote over Elbert County, and so I Foye got

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00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 5: the report back is very interesting. The instructor pilot's instrumentation lights,

727
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 5: several of them were inoperative and weren't working. They had

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Speaker 5: live ammunition on board. Flying over Elizabeth and they spotted

729
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Speaker 5: what they said a rotating beacon light of another aircraft

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Speaker 5: which they never identified, and both planes crashed. Both pilots

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Speaker 5: ejected and they survived. But what's interesting is on November eleventh,

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Speaker 5: nineteen seventy five, out of falcon Bridge, Ontario, for several hours,

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Speaker 5: theyre spotted several anomalous ups on radar going from twenty

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Speaker 5: six thousand feet shooting straight up to seventy four thousand feet.

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Speaker 5: They're watching these for a long time. Several people are

736
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Speaker 5: seeing him on the ground, police officers. So they decided

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Speaker 5: to scramble to f one oh six Delta darts over

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Speaker 5: Lake Michigan. These things are traveling at thirty five nautical

739
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Speaker 5: miles across the Great Lakes, and so that happened on

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Speaker 5: the same day that they scrambled these other jets, and

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Speaker 5: it's made the front page of the National Inquirer.

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Speaker 4: Incredible organization.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, oh right. And then on November eleventh, nineteen seventy five,

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Speaker 5: that morning, right after midnight, Travis Walton was returned from

745
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 5: his abduction experience. And also on November eleventh, nineteen seventy five,

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Speaker 5: the Edmund Fitzgerald sinks on the Great Lakes and twenty

747
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Speaker 5: nine men go missing. So we had all for of

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Speaker 5: these events happening on November eleventh, nineteen seventy Interesting also is.

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Speaker 4: That November eleventh is eleven eleven exactly because of course

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Speaker 4: in this community, eleven eleven is always brought up. Katie,

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Speaker 4: We're going to have to stop there. If you guys

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Speaker 4: want to learn more about the interesting things that are

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Speaker 4: happening in the ranch. Katie has a YouTube page called

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Speaker 4: Rocky Mountain Ranch Research. Check that out. Thanks for coming on, Katie,

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Speaker 4: I really appreciate it. Good seeing you, good seeing you too.

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