1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,519 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:10,040 Speaker 2: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the six DJ and 3 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 2: Bucky here buck Happy Opening Day, although I guess technically 4 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 2: yesterday was Opening Day because as a Padre fan watching 5 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:20,280 Speaker 2: the Giants just get their face kicked in by the Yankees, 6 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:21,640 Speaker 2: was it nice? It was a good way to start 7 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 2: the baseball season for me. 8 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:23,479 Speaker 1: Yeah. 9 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 3: I mean it's funny because I always wanted normally they 10 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 3: have all these overseas games and international games that are playing, 11 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 3: and they kick off well before Opening Day. So is 12 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 3: Opening Day really Opening Day? Or is it like a 13 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 3: trial run before? I just I just never know when 14 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 3: the Fisher kickoff is. But it is nice that baseball is. 15 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:42,160 Speaker 1: On the way. Looking forward to seeing what happens this year. 16 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. It is a different deal, though, I 17 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 2: will say, like as the NFL is marching towards eighteen games, 18 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 2: looks like we're heading in that direction. I'll start there. 19 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 2: Why don't we get by the way, let's start off 20 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 2: with it's time for how to not brought to you 21 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 2: by with Sabbi hot cloud storage, because I wanted I 22 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 2: wanted to get to you just tie baseball football together 23 00:00:58,040 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 2: here just for a second, as we go to eight 24 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 2: games the season, the college season has gotten longer. If 25 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 2: you're in the college playoff, is there something to I 26 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 2: want to say, load management. We're not in the NBA here, 27 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 2: but you know baseball, the Dodgers, you see it like they, hey, 28 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 2: we got to be hitting our stride once we get 29 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 2: to the postseason. I mean, you got to make sure 30 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 2: you get there first of all. But I wonder as 31 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 2: we go to eighteen games, if there is going to 32 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 2: be a little more that, hey, you're not one hundred percent, like, 33 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 2: let's let's back off a little bit. We got a 34 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 2: long haul here. 35 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 3: Well, I think about it and I went anticipated, if 36 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 3: they go to eighteen games, they're gonna be two buys 37 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 3: that are baking into the regular season and spending some 38 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 3: time up in the CFL. And the way that they 39 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 3: do it, yeah, there are ways that you can Hey man, 40 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:39,399 Speaker 3: let's give let's give my guy a little week off 41 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 3: because you get two weeks off because you have this 42 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 3: week than to bye week, and then you come back 43 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 3: like a completely different player. I understand that people are 44 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 3: going to say, what about the rhythm and getting that back, 45 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 3: but Ultimately, when we think about the tournament, the way 46 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 3: the playoffs constructed, if you're not getting the number one seed, 47 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 3: you have to think about what can I do to 48 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 3: put my team in this position to play in the tournament. 49 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: And if I'm two. 50 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 3: Through seven and we're nearing the end of the season, 51 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 3: I have some guys that are kind of iffy. Yeah, 52 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 3: I'm gonna hold them out because I want to make 53 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 3: sure when we play in the playoffs, which is where 54 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 3: everyone is judged, I want to have my best but 55 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 3: my best team. 56 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 2: The other thing I wanted to ask you on the 57 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 2: play on the baseball connection with football. We've seen baseball 58 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 2: take the lead in terms of technology, and it feels 59 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 2: like football is getting there. And as we're going through 60 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 2: this pro day process, you're seeing more and more players 61 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:32,359 Speaker 2: as I like to say, buffet the workout. I'll take 62 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 2: one of these, none of those. But I just with 63 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 2: the technology that we have now, with all the end 64 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 2: game data that teams have, I don't I don't know 65 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 2: that it's even bad an eye at it. I think, 66 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 2: and this I've heard this from some pro days, like 67 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:48,920 Speaker 2: that there are area scouts trying to bully guys into 68 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 2: doing everything and doing stuff, but the decision makers, the coaches, 69 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 2: the gym, they don't really care. They have all the data. 70 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:56,920 Speaker 3: Yeah no, And that's the thing that we talked about 71 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 3: a few years ago when the Rams were on the 72 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 3: front end of getting the GPS and getting all their 73 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 3: numbers from in game action, where they weren't worried about 74 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:08,519 Speaker 3: a forty times in those things, they were already translating 75 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 3: miles per hour in terms of what that means for speed. 76 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 3: I do think coming off of Ohio State's workout where 77 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 3: Caleb Downs didn't do any of the athletic testing did 78 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 3: all the stuff, you are going to have these empty 79 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 3: buckets that I just remember how crazy it was when 80 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 3: we were scouting, running around and basically pleading with this. 81 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 3: I told you the story before I had Lindale White. 82 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 3: Had a good grade on Lindale White. We were the Panthers. 83 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 3: He was our type of back and I'm like, Linda, 84 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 3: I gotta get a forty on you. I guess did 85 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 3: on the table and he ducked and dodge and never 86 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 3: gave us one. So then it was time to pick. 87 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 3: We couldn't draft him. He goes to Tennessee. But a 88 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 3: lot of it was because he didn't complete the athletic 89 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 3: stuff and I have just hey, man, I gotta feel 90 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 3: out this form. 91 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: You got to give me a forty no matter what 92 00:03:58,800 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: it is I need. 93 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 2: Do you remember carrying the wonder looks around? Because I 94 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 2: remember like you did it. You'd get an email from 95 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 2: from headquarters and it'll be like, hey, you cannot leave 96 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 2: this prota tomorrow without such and such taking the wonderlicks. 97 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 2: So you better like hunt him down and make sure 98 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 2: he takes it. We don't have a score on him. 99 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, that's fun. That's a fun assignment. But 100 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 2: I do think the technology is cool. And you're talking 101 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 2: to teams now and talking to guys on the phone 102 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 2: in the run to the draft. I don't know if 103 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:29,480 Speaker 2: you've just kind of come across this, but I'm hearing 104 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 2: it a lot more is you know, we would talk 105 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 2: about players in terms of blues and purples and reds 106 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuff, and especially more so 107 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 2: with pro grades, but now in terms of the testing 108 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 2: instead of saying like, oh, like I like this corner, 109 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 2: like he's a you know, he's a low four four 110 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 2: you know that are he jumped for? It's like now 111 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 2: he's got gold, Like he's gold in terms of his explosiveness. 112 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 2: Splash plays, he's in the blue category. Like they're like 113 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:58,840 Speaker 2: they've kind of got all these different colors now that 114 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 2: are that. That's how the language has changed a little bit. 115 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:03,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, color is, emojis. 116 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 3: It is very much a visual experience as opposed to 117 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 3: like how we had to write and do everything and 118 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 3: re reports and all that. 119 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: It seems to our kick now to think about like 120 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 1: the old process where. 121 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:16,919 Speaker 3: We all sat around and read from my big old binder, 122 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:19,479 Speaker 3: no video playing in the background. 123 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:23,039 Speaker 1: But it's a different thing. But I do think there's 124 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:23,599 Speaker 1: value to that. 125 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 3: I remember Ron Wolf we talked about like in reading 126 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:29,720 Speaker 3: the report or hearing your report, I should be able 127 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 3: to visualize the player. I think now with the color 128 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 3: codes and some of the emojis and some of the 129 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 3: other things that people are using within the reports, it 130 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 3: does give you a better picture for what this player 131 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 3: is and what he will be at the next level. 132 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, and AI is a real thing. Teams are incorporating 133 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 2: it and using it and trying to help their process 134 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:52,559 Speaker 2: as they go throughout. All Right, that was this week's 135 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 2: Hot or Not segment, brought to you by with sabby 136 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:56,600 Speaker 2: hot cloud storage, store more and do more with your data. 137 00:05:56,640 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 2: Try them for free at with saby dot com. You 138 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 2: got a new mock draft out. We're gonna we're gonna 139 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 2: work our way through this thing here. I want to 140 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 2: start first of all, before we start with pick number one. 141 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. 142 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 2: Biggest bone to pick people had with you on this thing. 143 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 1: Biggest bone to pick. Let's see. 144 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 3: I would say that Caleb Downs going to the Washington 145 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 3: Commanders at seven has drawn a bit of a reaction, uh, 146 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:24,719 Speaker 3: in terms of, hey, why would they take Caleb Downs 147 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 3: when they could take a corner Manson Delaine and he 148 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 3: seems like that they would just take him, not another 149 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 3: guy that can post in the middle of day signed 150 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 3: Nick Cross, YadA, YadA, YadA. So that has been one. 151 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 3: I would say, Kansas City at nine, Uh, not taking 152 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:44,479 Speaker 3: Reuben Bain and going for Francis. Yeah, like that is 153 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 3: that has been one. Let's rip through, let me let 154 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 3: me talk, we go through the option and then we 155 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 3: go So one, Las Vegas Raiders taking Fernando Mendoza, the 156 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 3: New York Jets taken David Bailey at two, Arizona Cardinals 157 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 3: taking r VL Reese at three, is he Titans select 158 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:05,599 Speaker 3: Jeremiah Love at four, New York Giants, Sunny Styles at five, 159 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 3: Cleveland Brown's Carneal Tate at six, Washington Commanders Caleb Downs 160 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 3: at seven, New Orleans Saints, Jordan Tyson at eight, nine 161 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 3: kN City Chiefs, Francis Malinoa Miami, and then ten Manster 162 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 3: Delaine going to the Cincinnati Beingles. 163 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, Manster Delaine went off of Pro Day where he 164 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 2: ran really fast. I've kind of gone back and forth 165 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 2: on that one. In terms of Delaine and Downs, I've 166 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 2: had it both ways here. If I look at my 167 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 2: first list, I had Delaine at eight, Downs at ten, 168 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 2: and then the second list I had Delaine at eight, 169 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 2: Downs at nine, and then the last one I think 170 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 2: Downs passed and the last one I had Downs at 171 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 2: eight Delaine at nine. So they've been right touching each 172 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 2: other through this whole whole process. I mean, really, to 173 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 2: be honest about where we are on the media side, 174 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 2: not working for a team, I have the same grades 175 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 2: on him. If we needed a corner, you take Dlane. 176 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 2: If you needed a safety, you take Downs. I don't 177 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 2: think there's really the wrong answer there. 178 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: No, it's so funny, man, and like there are these debates. 179 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 3: It's one of the things like I love and hate 180 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 3: about mock drafts at the same time, because what happens 181 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 3: is when you release your mock draft, people forget about. 182 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 1: Like your big board. 183 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 3: They forget about like how you feel about top five, 184 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 3: And as we've said, is a mock drafts are what 185 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 3: we hear. Big boards and lists are what we see now. 186 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:34,199 Speaker 3: Caleb Downs and Manser Delaine. The big thing that I 187 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 3: would say about Delaye is when you look at him, 188 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 3: if you're taking a corner in the top ten, he 189 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 3: has to be impactful enough that we view him as 190 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 3: a bit of a shutdown corner. I think about pastor ten, 191 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:46,679 Speaker 3: I think about Derek Stingley, I think about some of 192 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 3: the guys that have been selected in that category. Does 193 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 3: he fit the bill? When I look at him, man, 194 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:56,079 Speaker 3: he is terrific. I love the length, I love the 195 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 3: versatility in his game. I love the aggressiveness and the 196 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 3: skills and those things you watch the workout, all those 197 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 3: things stood out if you take him, and would use 198 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:09,319 Speaker 3: Washington as an example coming off of what didn't work 199 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 3: out for them with Marshawn Lattimore, are you confident that 200 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 3: he can step in there and give you what you want. 201 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 1: In a division where you talking about George Pickens and Cdee. 202 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 3: Lamb, you're talking about aj Brown, DeVante Smith, he's talking 203 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 3: about Malik Neighbors coming back. Are you confident that in 204 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 3: a one on one situation we're going to put him 205 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 3: on them and feel good about that? Or do you 206 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 3: want someone in the middle of the field that can 207 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 3: do a bunch of different things in this scenario. I 208 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,319 Speaker 3: gave them downs just because I think about dan Quinn 209 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 3: and what they want to do defensively. The downs in 210 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 3: this iteration of the my draft would be a betefit 211 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 3: for what they're trying, what they're thinking about. 212 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that you bring up a good point 213 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 2: about who you play in the division. I was talking 214 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 2: to somebody that I worked with in Baltimore before, and 215 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:55,199 Speaker 2: we were re rehashing some of the old meetings and 216 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 2: when we were talking and you've heard me tell the 217 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:59,959 Speaker 2: story because you've referenced before, but like when we were 218 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 2: while we were looking at pass rushers, it was can 219 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 2: this guy get Ben Roethlisberger on the ground. If he can't, like, 220 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 2: that's fine, he could beat a tackle. But if he 221 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 2: can't get Ben on the ground, like he's not strong 222 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 2: enough and long enough, you know, to be able to 223 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 2: get him on the ground. That doesn't do us any good. 224 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:17,079 Speaker 2: So we needed more power players to be able to 225 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:20,680 Speaker 2: literally physically get a big quarterback on the ground. And 226 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:22,680 Speaker 2: then we were talking about, now, if you're a team, 227 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 2: like say you're a team in a division where you know, 228 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 2: like look at look at Philadelphia, If you look at 229 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 2: Philadelphia's defense, Okay, you've got to figure out a way 230 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:35,839 Speaker 2: to get Jayden Daniels on the ground, Jackson Dart on 231 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 2: the ground, and then Dak who doesn't move around as 232 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 2: much as he should. You know, a better example be 233 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 2: the Cowboys. If you're the Cowboys and then you threw 234 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 2: hurts in that division, so you better have athletic enough 235 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 2: ends to be able to get those three athletic quarterbacks 236 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 2: and this Dak is still athletics, or really anybody in 237 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 2: that division. You're gonna have to get athletic quarterbacks on 238 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 2: the ground. That should be in the discussion when you're 239 00:10:56,920 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 2: going over these edge guys. 240 00:10:58,559 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: It has to be. 241 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 3: And I think one of the things we talk about 242 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 3: behind the scenes, behind the curtains, when we talk about 243 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 3: the draft process, it is about building your team to 244 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 3: win a division. Every great team that I've ever been 245 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 3: associated with, they talked about got to win the division 246 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 3: first before we can think about the other things. So 247 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:17,959 Speaker 3: how do we build our team specifically to win a division? 248 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 3: So when you talk about that example with Dak Prescott 249 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 3: and Jalen Hurst, and do we have guys that are 250 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 3: not only ethnic enough to shadow them, but are they 251 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 3: strong enough to get them down? Because if not, you're 252 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 3: going to see a bunch of miss tackles in big 253 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 3: plays down the field when those guys escaped the pocket. 254 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 3: We would think about the receivers that we rattled off 255 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 3: in the NFC East. Do you have guys that can 256 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 3: match up with what you're dealing with? When I look 257 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 3: at the Cowboys and Ceedee Lamb and George Pickens, not 258 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 3: only the length and size of Pickens, but the run 259 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 3: after catch ability of both playmakers. 260 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 1: Can you tackle them in space? 261 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 3: All of those things have to be factors some divisions, 262 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 3: like you think about the. 263 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 1: North and Derrick Henry. Can you tackle a big back? 264 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 3: Do you have guys that can hand of the physicality 265 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 3: that is associated with the division. You better know what 266 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:07,200 Speaker 3: you're facing two times a year and have a team 267 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:09,680 Speaker 3: that can deal with that before we start thinking out 268 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 3: about the bigger part of the conference. 269 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: And some of the other teams that are on your schedule. 270 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 2: All right, I'm just looking this up on the fly. Here, 271 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 2: I'm pulling some numbers. So Delayne ran in the mid 272 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 2: four threes. I don't know how the exact number, but 273 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 2: talking to people that were there, so he's five one 274 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 2: one six one eighty seven and let's just say four 275 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 2: to three five. So Quinyon Mitchell buck sixho one one 276 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:38,080 Speaker 2: five four three three versus five one one six one 277 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:42,199 Speaker 2: eighty seven four three five. Not that they're not that different. 278 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 2: So if I told you you were getting Quinyon Mitchell. 279 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 1: As a player, there, get Yeah. 280 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:51,679 Speaker 2: I think those guys, I think they've almost been undervalued, right, 281 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 2: you look at him, you look at McDuffie. Both those 282 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 2: guys kind of went in that they've outside the top ten. 283 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 2: But when you looked at it, we I mean, we 284 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:02,319 Speaker 2: go back through our notes. I'm sure they read very 285 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 2: similarly on all three of those guys. Smart, they're always 286 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 2: in phase. They just don't get they're just good players. 287 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 2: It's like, wow, he's not six to two and those 288 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 2: are the guys reserved for the top ten. Are we 289 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 2: screwing that up? 290 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 1: I think so. 291 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 3: And look, I'm gonna say this, DJ, And I know, 292 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:20,079 Speaker 3: like when you first started at Baltimore, like Ozzy and 293 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 3: those guys always talked about like, hey, let's make sure 294 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 3: we don't lose sight of the player, like how he plays, 295 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 3: because I do remember when Sissle worked out of Arizona 296 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 3: State and he didn't hit the marks that a lot 297 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 3: of us were talking about, like oh, I don't know 298 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 3: if we can take him or whatever, and then he's 299 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 3: just a really good football player. We really productive tape 300 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:38,199 Speaker 3: and all this other stuff, and he plays like that. 301 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 3: I think we have to be careful sometimes and trying 302 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:43,719 Speaker 3: to break things down and trying to get all these 303 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 3: tangible qualities when it comes to the numbers and the 304 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 3: empirical data that we don't lose sight of how well 305 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 3: do they play when we. 306 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:52,559 Speaker 1: Look at the tape. When we look at the tape, 307 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 1: do we feel they're dominance in those things? 308 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 3: And I think that has to be a part of it. 309 00:13:56,360 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 3: And Downs and Delane's Kate. When you watch them, they 310 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:02,599 Speaker 3: play at a high level, and that is why you 311 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:04,959 Speaker 3: really comfortable taking them in the top ten because they 312 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:05,959 Speaker 3: are plug and play. 313 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 2: Starters, no doubt. All right, let's take a quick pause, 314 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 2: and we got two thirds of this thing. We let 315 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 2: the go here, so we'll get to pick number eleven 316 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 2: right after this, all right, Buck take us eleven through twenty. 317 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 3: Miami takes the big offense reguard from Pennasa Ba Benga. 318 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 1: I say his last name, Dja. 319 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 2: You always so Yowan always Venga Yowanni. 320 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I always mess it up. There are these things. 321 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 3: Vinga Johanni goes to the Miami Dolphins at eleven. Dallas 322 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 3: Cowboys take Ruben Bain, La Rams, mackay Lemon Baltimore, Ravens 323 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 3: Spencer for Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Jama McCoy New York Jets, 324 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 3: Avion Terrell from Clemson Detroit Lions, a Keen Messador, and 325 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 3: from Miami Minnesota Vikings. Everyone talks about this, Dylan Thinneman 326 00:14:55,320 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 3: from Oregon, Carolina Panthers, Monroe Freelink from Georgia, and then 327 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 3: Dallas Cowboys at twenty Colton Hood Corner from Tennessee. 328 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 2: So the Dallas Cowboys you have here going Ruben Bain 329 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 2: and Colton Hood. That's a really, really good combination. I 330 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 2: was singing about this with yesterday's news that was out 331 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 2: there was it was reported that Miles Garrett have restructured 332 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 2: his contract a little bit. So let me just Poe, 333 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 2: this is just we're just having fun here based off nothing. 334 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 2: But I'd be curious. Give me the Bucky Brooks. Take 335 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 2: care if I told you those are the two players 336 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 2: you can have, bain Or in Coltonhood or you and 337 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 2: you would you could get Miles Garrett, but it's going 338 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 2: to cost you those two picks and maybe a player 339 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 2: on your roster somewhere along your roster. 340 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: Which package would you choose? Well, Cowboys, I'm gonna take 341 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 1: Miles Garrett because I know what I'm getting. 342 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 3: I've seen him best on best I saw him, said 343 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 3: Zack Record, I'm taking him. And even if it's a 344 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 3: three to five year window, I'm okay because it actually 345 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 3: matches up with what I have at quarterback and Dak Prescott. 346 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 3: If I'm going to go all in, and I'm going 347 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 3: all in knowing that Miles Garrett's like prime years online 348 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 3: with where Dak Prescott is right now, so we got 349 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 3: three years to get get it done. I got George 350 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 3: Pickens on a franchise tag. 351 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll sign him. 352 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 3: We'll throw all the chips in the table and see 353 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 3: if we can get this thing done in this three 354 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 3: year window, knowing that after three years with Miles Garrett, 355 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 3: we're gonna have. 356 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: To figure out a way to blow this up and 357 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 1: start over. 358 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 3: So yes, I would do it, because if you're asking 359 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 3: the combination of bane and hood, it still appeals in 360 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 3: comparison to what Miles Garrett is and what he has 361 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 3: been in this league. 362 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 2: What if I if you were the Cowboys. I'm going 363 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 2: to ask another area of this discussion here. If it 364 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 2: was say the cost was two ones in a player, right, 365 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 2: if there was two ones in a player, which it 366 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 2: might be more than that, I don't know. Maybe they 367 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 2: want three ones, and maybe this is just all pine. 368 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 2: This guy's no chances will ever happen. It's fun podcast discussion. 369 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 2: Would you, if you were the Cowboys, rather do the 370 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 2: two ones this year or one this year one next year? 371 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:00,080 Speaker 1: I'd rather do the two ones this year because. 372 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 2: Hundred percent, if I'm Cleveland, I want one next year though, yeah. 373 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:04,439 Speaker 1: I want. And you know what I would do. 374 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 3: I would tell Jimmy Haslam and Todd munket. Hey, you 375 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:10,880 Speaker 3: know we're gonna were gonna treat this like a technical 376 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 3: You can go down to the bench and pick who 377 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 3: you want to shoot the free those. Look, you can 378 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 3: look at the ross. You can take whoever you want. 379 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 3: If I get Males, Garrett, you can just come down here. 380 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 3: Just just whoever you want, you can take them. 381 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:22,640 Speaker 1: We're good. 382 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:24,360 Speaker 3: We're gonna take the big pass rusher, and we're gonna 383 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 3: be a much better team than we've been the last. 384 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 2: So say there's a way they did that and survived 385 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:32,120 Speaker 2: with the twentieth pick, right, So you give them the twelve, 386 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 2: you give them next year's one, and who knows. Mate. 387 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:37,120 Speaker 2: Another funny thing was the Browns are the ones proposing 388 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 2: this thing where you could trade first round picks way 389 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 2: out into the future. I mean, that's that's interesting time. 390 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:45,880 Speaker 2: But I think they vote on that on Tuesday, I believe, yeah, 391 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 2: because I don't mean next week. Yeah. Yeah, I don't 392 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:49,439 Speaker 2: know that would pass, But that would be kind of 393 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 2: ironic if that's why they had that, you know, kind 394 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 2: of front of mine there to make some type of 395 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:56,159 Speaker 2: a trade. But say the Cowboys could still get Colton 396 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 2: Hood at twenty, you know, and they lose next year's 397 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:01,200 Speaker 2: first round pick, you know, pick twelve, and then something else. 398 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 2: Now you're looking at Buck you think about this now 399 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:06,879 Speaker 2: from where they were, and obviously Michael Parson is an 400 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:10,120 Speaker 2: unbelievable player. But if you could line up with Miles 401 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 2: Garrett next to Quinn Williams, next to Kenny Clark, next 402 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 2: to Rashawn Gary, and then at least you upgrade one 403 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 2: of the corner spy they need help in the secondary. 404 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 2: At least you update you know, one of those corner 405 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:23,160 Speaker 2: spots has been upgraded. With the Holy Biscuits, that would 406 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:25,159 Speaker 2: be The Cowboys would be like the old school nineties 407 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:26,400 Speaker 2: Cowboys be kind of fun again. 408 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 1: It would be fun. 409 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:30,479 Speaker 3: And when I when I think about the Cowboys, if 410 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 3: I could get cold and hood but you're telling me 411 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:36,399 Speaker 3: I'm getting a consistent pass rush, Well, yeah, like it. 412 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 3: This is easy work for me when I'm looking at 413 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 3: this division and where we want to be because offenously, 414 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:43,159 Speaker 3: they can light it up. The biggest problem that you 415 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:45,439 Speaker 3: have for the Cowboys, outside of having the poorest defense, 416 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 3: who is to close? Well, now I got one of 417 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:50,399 Speaker 3: this might be the best business. Yeah, I got one 418 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 3: of the best in the business. We're gonna win a 419 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:53,400 Speaker 3: lot of games because we can close it out. 420 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:56,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, and again, who knows, maybe this one percent chance 421 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 2: this happens, But it is a fun, fun conversation, all right, Buck, 422 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:00,919 Speaker 2: Let's rip through the next the rest of it here, 423 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:01,199 Speaker 2: all right. 424 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 3: So at twenty one, here we go Pittsburgh Stillers, Casey Concepcion, Chargers, TJ. 425 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 3: Parker coming from Clemson, Philippi Eagles, Blake Miller Cleveland, Brown's 426 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 3: Caleb Lemieux Chicago Bear is your. 427 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 1: Guy, Emmanuel McNeil Warren twenty six, c J. 428 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 3: Allen twenty seven, San Francisco forty nine, Cashus Howell Houston Texans. 429 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 3: At twenty eight take Peter Woods twenty nine, Woeck Miami Dolphins. 430 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 3: At thirty Omar Cooper and let's just finish it. Thirty 431 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:37,640 Speaker 3: one Kel chick Fall goes to the New England Patriots, 432 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 3: and thirty two Brandon Ceesay Corner from South Carolina goes 433 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 3: to the defending World Champs. 434 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:47,159 Speaker 2: See there you go see some interesting things there. You 435 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 2: got some offensive tackles. That's kind of like there's like 436 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 2: an alley there where the tackles just kind of come 437 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:56,239 Speaker 2: flying off the board. And I think they're all going 438 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:57,959 Speaker 2: to go. All that group of guys, you're going to go. 439 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 2: The next one will probably be the Arizona State tackle. 440 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:03,679 Speaker 2: I'm not sure. I think he'll probably go in the 441 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 2: first ten picks in the second round. 442 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 1: And then that's what I think he is. 443 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 3: Like, it's hard because I have seen in some mocks 444 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 3: people that put him into bottom of the first When 445 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 3: I look at him, I'm like, he's raw, Yeah, top 446 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 3: of a second. And you know what's crazy is knowing 447 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,400 Speaker 3: La like he played at a city section school. Here 448 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:23,439 Speaker 3: was a basketball player, it goes to Juco, which actually 449 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:25,880 Speaker 3: Juco he goes to. It was featured on Last Chance. 450 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 3: She was the basketball side of it. And then he 451 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:30,640 Speaker 3: turns himself into a really good player. It's just amazing 452 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 3: at some positions, how you can take a raw player 453 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 3: who has limited experience at lower levels and now we're 454 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 3: talking about this guy being a top fifty selection. 455 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's my thirty first player. But I think as 456 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 2: we've come down the home stretch here, I think he's 457 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 2: going to go in the top of the second round, 458 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 2: would be my guess. So that those tackles, though, they're 459 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:51,879 Speaker 2: all they're all going to go in the top forty picks, 460 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 2: just you got to take them high and get them. 461 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:55,239 Speaker 2: You got to be uncomfortable with where you take him 462 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 2: to be honest. 463 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:58,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think, man, we talked about the Developmental League, 464 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:00,400 Speaker 3: like you have to be okay developing these guys. 465 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:01,639 Speaker 1: They're not gonna be finished products. 466 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,199 Speaker 3: And even though they come in with that tag of 467 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 3: being a first round pick, you still have to view 468 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:08,440 Speaker 3: to them as a development Again, you got to give 469 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 3: them time to grow into their role. Just like at nineteen, 470 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 3: I think I had Monroe freeling going to the Panthers. 471 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:17,719 Speaker 3: I think everyone has to understand exactly who you're bringing 472 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:19,159 Speaker 3: in and how long it's going to take to him 473 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 3: to be able to play at the level that they 474 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 3: would drafted that. 475 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:24,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's gonna be it's gonna be interesting. I 476 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 2: do think there's, uh, you know, there's a lot of 477 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:29,959 Speaker 2: names in consideration for those last six or seven picks. 478 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 2: You could see this thing going a lot of different ways. 479 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 2: But the one name I am curious on Casey concepts 480 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:38,120 Speaker 2: you you have going twenty one to the Steelers. There 481 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 2: is some buzz on him. Now he's got a knee injury, 482 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 2: so he's he had surgery he's not gonna be able 483 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,199 Speaker 2: to do anything for the rest of the process. But 484 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:48,159 Speaker 2: he's you know, he's fascinating because he's got juice. But 485 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:50,360 Speaker 2: he thought he's not one hundred and eighty pound guy 486 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,359 Speaker 2: like he's close to two hundred pounds. So he's strong, 487 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 2: he's very explosive, he's polished. He just has drops, so 488 00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:59,159 Speaker 2: you got to you've got to navigate around the drops. 489 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:01,400 Speaker 2: And some things aren't comfortable with that, and some teams 490 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 2: are where did you stand on I'll just drop percentage 491 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 2: and how much you put into that. 492 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 1: You know, it's funny, man. 493 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 3: I had a conversation a long time ago with Bill Polian, 494 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 3: Hall of Fame exec and he talked about drop cash percentages, 495 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,400 Speaker 3: everything like drop percentage. I must say, if you want 496 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 3: someone whose primary function is to catch the ball, you 497 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 3: better make sure that they catch it at a high level. 498 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 3: I understand that. Here's my thing with Casey's conception on 499 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 3: and some of the drops. I don't think he has 500 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 3: an issue in terms of hand that coordination because DJ, 501 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:31,359 Speaker 3: you cannot be a punt and kick returner without having 502 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 3: good hands, like it requires you to be able to 503 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 3: judge the ball in flight, and those things. It shows 504 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,120 Speaker 3: up on tape for whatever reason. But he is so 505 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,880 Speaker 3: dynamic with the ball in his hands. He is tough 506 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 3: over the middle of the field, and I just in 507 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 3: this scenario I saw him a bit like Mike McCarthy 508 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,399 Speaker 3: used to see Randall Cobb work in the middle of 509 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 3: the field and having enough toughness. 510 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 1: I don't know. 511 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 3: The first thing that I always would say if I 512 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:57,639 Speaker 3: brought him into the building, I want to get his 513 00:22:57,680 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 3: eyes cheted. 514 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:00,679 Speaker 2: I knew you were going to say that because. 515 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 3: It's just the thing, and as someone who had drops, 516 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 3: man like, it's amazing what these little things can do when. 517 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:10,200 Speaker 1: It just watching watching watching the ball comment. 518 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 3: I would want to see and everybody like, I think 519 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 3: you've done this, Like when we would work out guys individually, 520 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,640 Speaker 3: you make guys see the ball out of different eyes 521 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 3: because we all have a weak eye. I would want 522 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 3: to see, hey, are all of his drops on one 523 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 3: side of the field where he's looking out of one eye. 524 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 3: There is there a theme or a trend to the drops, 525 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:32,160 Speaker 3: and I would see if we can work on it. 526 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 3: Or I had a college coach tell me this, hey man, 527 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 3: don't worry about those drops. 528 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 1: The two that you catch can be touched down. 529 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 3: So we're just we just understand that he's a high 530 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 3: volume guy and he's going to drop something. 531 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 1: We have to be okay with it. 532 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, that has always been part of the equation. If 533 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 2: you offset, you look at the explosives like the buyer 534 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 2: be wars. When you have low explosive high drops, I 535 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 2: can't really do anything. Yeah, you're a possession receiver. Without 536 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:00,640 Speaker 2: the possession of the football, that's but if. 537 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 3: You yeah, but if you're a big playmaker and those things, 538 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:06,920 Speaker 3: you just have to do it. But there are things 539 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 3: and people will say you can't work and I think 540 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,120 Speaker 3: you can work on some of it. It just depends 541 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 3: on where the drops are. Are the drops in the 542 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:14,440 Speaker 3: middle of the field because the draft? So now is 543 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 3: it a courage issue? Is it a hand coordination issue? 544 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 1: Can see it? What are the causes? 545 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:22,639 Speaker 3: And a let's be diligent on getting on the jugs 546 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 3: machine and seeing if we can develop that skill to 547 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 3: see if we can be a little more consistent catching 548 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 3: the rock. 549 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good call. All right, Well, there you go. 550 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,880 Speaker 2: There's bucks mock draft. Hope you guys enjoyed that one. 551 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,679 Speaker 2: We'll be back tomorrow with a fresh new episode, and 552 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:38,199 Speaker 2: we'll see it right here on with the sticks.