1 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:04,960 Speaker 1: Good morning. It's Wednesday, the third of January here in London. 2 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 1: This is the Blueberg daybak you a podcast. I'm Caroline Hepka. 3 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 2: And I'm Stephen Carroll. Coming up today. Hamas says Israel 4 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 2: has killed one of its senior leaders in Lebanon's capital. 5 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:18,919 Speaker 1: Barklay's verish outlook wipes more than one hundred billion dollars 6 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: off Apple's sharees in just one day. 7 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 2: Plus Harvard's president quits after allegations of plagiarism and controversy 8 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 2: over anti Semitism on campus. 9 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: Let's start with a round up of our top stories. 10 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 2: Hamas says one of its senior leaders has been killed 11 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:38,599 Speaker 2: by Israel and an explosion in Beirute. Salah Al Aurori 12 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:41,199 Speaker 2: was the deputy head of the group's Pollitt Bureau and 13 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 2: considered to be the mastermind behind Hamas's armed wing in 14 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 2: the West Bank. Jossi Meckelberg is an Associate Fellow of 15 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 2: the Chatham House Foreign Policy Research Group. He says there 16 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 2: are now concerns about retaliation from Hesbala. 17 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 3: The idea of striking at the heart of Berault and 18 00:00:56,600 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 3: some such a senior figure within Hamas is what happens 19 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 3: next and where the Hasbala said that feel obliged to 20 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:06,679 Speaker 3: react or it will be self actually as a. 21 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 2: Detailment Chathamhouse as yac Mechelberg, referring there to the Lebanese 22 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 2: militant group considered to be heavily armed and better equipped 23 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 2: than Hamas Now. 24 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:18,400 Speaker 1: The shipping giant Mersk says that it won't allow its 25 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: vessels to sail through the Red Sea until further notice 26 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: after another of its ships was attacked over the weekend. 27 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:28,959 Speaker 1: The Danish company joins Germany's Hapag Lloyd in pausing transit 28 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: through egypt Sewieres Canal on safety grounds. Huthi militants in 29 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 1: Yemen say that they are targeting merchant ships in the 30 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:38,680 Speaker 1: Red Sea that have any kind of link to Israel 31 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 1: to punish Tel Aviv for the conflict in Gaza. However, 32 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 1: those connections have looked increasingly spurious. Iran said a warship 33 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: to the area on Tuesday, in a further sign of escalation. 34 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 1: As a US led task force continues to patrol the 35 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 1: waters off. 36 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 2: Yemen, British company executives are getting gloomier about the country's 37 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 2: economic prospects. The Institution of Directors says the fall and 38 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 2: confidence should help to justify an early cut and interest 39 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 2: rates by the Bank of England. Bloomberg's Ewan Parts has more. 40 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 4: Gloomy and getting gloomier. That's the verdict of company bosses 41 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 4: on the UK's economic outlook. The Economic Confidence Index from 42 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 4: the Institute of Directors dropped to minus twenty eight in 43 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 4: December from minus twenty one the previous month. That puts 44 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 4: it at the lowest level since August. But despite their 45 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 4: worries about the broader economy, company leaders are more optimistic 46 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 4: about the prospects for their own companies. That reading jumped 47 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 4: to plus thirty six in December from plus thirty the 48 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 4: previous month. In terms of kickstarting the economy, the Institute's 49 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 4: directors say that an early rate cut from the Bank 50 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 4: of England will be a good way to lift the 51 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 4: gloom in London, unpots Bloomberg Radio. 52 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: Now to some corporate news, Apple shares lost more than 53 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: one hundred and seven billion dollars in value after Berklay's 54 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: analyst downgraded their view on the tech chart. The stock 55 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 1: fell by three point six percent in yesterday's trading after 56 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: the note was published. Bloomberg's Mark German ex planes the 57 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: bearish view of the iPhone maker. 58 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 5: Four quarters plus in a row of holiday declines. The 59 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 5: earnings report that's coming at the end of January early 60 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 5: February will indicate that Q one was either in line, 61 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 5: maybe a little bit more a little bit less than 62 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 5: the prior quarter. You have these patent situations which are 63 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 5: likely to crop up in higher frequency. Now, given the 64 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 5: success that Massimo has had over the past few months, 65 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 5: you're not seeing anything in the twenty twenty four product 66 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:33,079 Speaker 5: pipeline that is in the short term going to juice 67 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 5: sales to any considerable degree, so they're sensing some fragility there. 68 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: German also knows that Apple's market value rose by nearly 69 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 1: a trillion dollars in twenty twenty three, making yesterday's slump 70 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 1: just a dent in the world's most valuable traded company. 71 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: Not all analysts are bearish either. Dan Ives at Webbush 72 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: Securities expects the company will be worth four trillion dollars 73 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 1: by the end of this year. 74 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 2: Tesla has officially last its title is the world's best 75 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 2: selling electric car maker to China's byd The Elon musclad 76 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 2: company beat its target of delivering one point eight million 77 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 2: vehicles in twenty twenty three, but was outpaced in the 78 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 2: fourth quarter by cheaper models from its Chinese rival. Bloomberg 79 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:18,279 Speaker 2: Technology reporter ed Ludlow says a wider variety of models 80 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:19,840 Speaker 2: helped bid to pull ahead. 81 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 6: One thing that BYD does that's very different from Tesla 82 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 6: is that alongside battery electric cars, they also do plug 83 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 6: in hybrids. In the fourth quarter of the twenty twenty 84 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 6: three BYD sold five hundred and twenty six thousand, four 85 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 6: hundred and nine fully battery electric cars, most of them 86 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 6: in China, whereas Tesla handed over four hundred and eighty 87 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:42,919 Speaker 6: four thousand, five hundred and seven globally. But if you 88 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:46,039 Speaker 6: aggregate it over the course of the year, BYD is 89 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 6: only bigger than Tesla on an annual basis in twenty 90 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 6: twenty three if you include plug. 91 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 2: In hybrid that's bimbrooks ed Ludlow. Despite a strong position 92 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 2: and its home market of China, BYD doesn't sell in 93 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 2: the United States, where its vehicles would fai a twenty 94 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,159 Speaker 2: seven and a half percent import tariff. 95 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:08,159 Speaker 1: The president of Harvard University, Claudine Gay, is stepping down 96 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: after allegations of plagiarism and a campus Ferrari over anti Semitism. 97 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 1: In a statement, the political scientist said that she's resigning 98 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:20,280 Speaker 1: so that Harvard can quote navigate this moment of extraordinary 99 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: challenge with a focus on the institution rather than any individual. 100 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: Her six month tenure makes Gay the shortest serving Harvard 101 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 1: president in history. Bloomberg's David Western says that similar challenges 102 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:36,239 Speaker 1: face the leadership of the University of Pennsylvania and MIT. 103 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 7: It has been sort of a firestorm for these three 104 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 7: presidents to deal with exactly how you control an influence 105 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:47,040 Speaker 7: discussion on the campus. There were also questions, as you know, 106 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 7: that developed over time about some of the work that 107 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 7: President Gay had done for her dissertation for her PhD, 108 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:57,719 Speaker 7: and allegations that she had improperly used sources that she 109 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 7: did not identify. 110 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: David Western. Their criticism of Gay mounted after her testimony 111 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: to a US House of Representatives committee in December in 112 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 1: which she failed to condemn calls for genocide against Jews 113 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: as a violation of university policy. Congresswoman Elise Stefanik, who 114 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: questioned the former president during the session, said that her 115 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 1: departure was quote long overdue. Now in a moment we're 116 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 1: going to look at the battle for electric vehicle dominance, 117 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:29,280 Speaker 1: Tesla officially losing its crown as the world's biggest electric 118 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 1: car maker. That shortly with our tech reporter Aggie Cantrell. 119 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,280 Speaker 1: But first I picked this out on the Blueberg ternel 120 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:39,159 Speaker 1: this morning. Oh it's just such a fun read. Jessica 121 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 1: Carl has made a twenty twenty four predictions bingo card. 122 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:45,919 Speaker 1: It's made up of all of the Bloomberg opinion pieces 123 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 1: that our colleagues have written about the year ahead. But 124 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 1: it starts with just these wonderful images, weird and wonderful 125 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 1: predictions published in newspapers one hundred years ago about what 126 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: people thought twenty four was actually going to be. 127 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 2: Like things like beds automatically flinging children out in the morning. Carl, 128 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 2: I'm sure you could use that at home. Perhaps I 129 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 2: could probably use one myself, to be honest, men's legs 130 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 2: will wither away from under use. 131 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 1: And also what would happen to the horse where the 132 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: horses would just die out or disappear, you know, with 133 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: the motor vehicle anyway. Really fascinating song. Not terribly relevant, 134 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 1: I would say, actually to what the twenty twenty four 135 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: predictions are. 136 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 2: No indeed, which include things like the on the Bingo card, 137 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 2: China makes even faster hypersonic missiles, the domestication of AI, 138 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 2: Sally Rooney announcing a new book. You know, all the 139 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 2: important moments. 140 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, a nice one to read on the BlueBag terminal. 141 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 1: Then from our colleague Jessica Cole, Well. 142 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 2: Let's turn back to our top story now the latest 143 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 2: developments in the Middle East. Hamas says one of its 144 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 2: senior leaders has been killed by Israel in Lebanon, while 145 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 2: the shipping giant Marsk says it's vessels won't use the 146 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 2: Red Sea until further notice after one was attacked over 147 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 2: the weekend. Bloomberg's Bruce Einhorn has been following this story 148 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 2: for and he joins us, Now, Bruce, what exactly do 149 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 2: we know then about the killing of Salah al Aurori 150 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 2: in Beirut? 151 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 8: So we know that Hamasa said that he was killed 152 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 8: by an Israeli strike. The Lebanese state run news agency 153 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 8: also said that there was an Israeli drone attack that 154 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 8: it targeted an apartment building in the southern suburbs of Beirut. 155 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 8: Six people killed in the attack, including al Rori, who 156 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 8: is was the deputy head of the Paul up Euro 157 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 8: of Hamas. Alori had spent many years in Israeli prisons 158 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 8: was sent into exile in twenty ten. Since then, Israel 159 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 8: has accused him of being the math remind behind attacks 160 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,439 Speaker 8: in the West Bank in Israel itself, as well as 161 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 8: being the liaison between Hamas and Iran. 162 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 1: How significant is it what has Israel said? Does it 163 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: lead to an escalation with Hesbola? 164 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 8: Well, it could lead to an escalation with Hesbel. Of 165 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 8: course this was an attack on a Hamas leader, not 166 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 8: in a Hebala leader, but it was in Beirut. There 167 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 8: have been back and forth attacks between Hesbala and Israel 168 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 8: since the start of the war in Gaza in October. 169 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 8: To date, even though there have been casualties on both sides, 170 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 8: that's been fairly contained. There has been concern for quite 171 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:41,199 Speaker 8: a while that the situation could escalate, that there could 172 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 8: be the opening of another front in this war. And 173 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 8: as you know we heard earlier from the expert, there 174 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 8: is the possibility now that Hesbala may see this as 175 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 8: a provocation that they will need to respond to. It's 176 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 8: also possible that they may see it as a reason 177 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 8: to hold back that there may be a turn value here. 178 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 8: Hard to say, of course at this point, of. 179 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:06,959 Speaker 2: Course, and this is just illustrating the complexity too of 180 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 2: this conflict. Another aspect has been the attacks on chips 181 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 2: in the Red Sea. Further disruption we're learning about mass 182 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 2: extending its pause announced over the weekend on vessels using 183 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:19,719 Speaker 2: that route. What sort of effect does that have on 184 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:22,440 Speaker 2: sort of supply chains globally. 185 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 8: Well, so at this point now Marisk and Hubac Lloyd 186 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:33,439 Speaker 8: have both said that they are pausing indefinitely they're transitting 187 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 8: through the Sewis Canal and the Red Sea. In addition 188 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 8: to them, many other companies have also scaled back. At 189 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 8: this point, about half of the traffic that normally would 190 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:48,079 Speaker 8: go through the Suez Canal is avoiding that route. Going 191 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 8: around Africa could add about twenty five percent to the 192 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 8: time of voyage to Europe and of course add to cost. 193 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 8: This at a time when the other major canal in 194 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 8: the world, the Panama Canal, is suffering because of a drought. 195 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 8: So just further astray in on global supply chains. 196 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 1: Does it mean though that the US led efforts to 197 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 1: sort of protect ships and not going far enough. What 198 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: sort of risk is there that other shipping companies will 199 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: follow suits. 200 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 8: Well, the US has formed a coalition, a maritime coalition 201 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:29,839 Speaker 8: to try to protect shipping. Obviously, it has not yet 202 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 8: done much as far as a deterrent to the Hooties 203 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 8: to stop them from attacking. There was just on Tuesday evening, 204 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 8: Hootis fired two more ballistic missiles from Yemen into the 205 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 8: Red Sea. According to the US Central Command, the UN 206 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 8: Secretary Security Council is going to be having an emergency 207 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 8: meeting on tensions in the Red Sea today. There have 208 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 8: been since mid November, there have been now two dozen 209 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 8: attacks in the ed C from woody rebels in Yemen. 210 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:06,079 Speaker 2: Okay, Brisigan Horn, thank you so much for bringing U 211 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 2: up to date with the developments in the Middle East. Now. 212 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 1: Tesla has officially lost its crown as the world's biggest 213 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: electric car maker, as its delivery numbers fell behind China's 214 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 1: byd in the fourth quarter. Elon Musk's company did beat 215 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 1: analyst expectations for deliveries, but faced fierce competition on price 216 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: from its Chinese rival. Our tech reporter Aggie Cantrell joins 217 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 1: US now from Berlin. Good morning, Aggie, how significant, how important? 218 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:31,839 Speaker 7: Then? 219 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 1: Is this for Tesla and the global EV market more broadly. 220 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 9: Hi, Yes, So it is something that is quite interesting 221 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 9: at least for Tesla to have fallen behind BYD in 222 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 9: this way. It's mainly driven by the fact that BID 223 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 9: has a broader lineup of cheaper models in China and 224 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 9: China which is their home market, there's also still very 225 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 9: much their core market. Of course, we all saw that 226 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 9: clip from over ten years ago now where Elon Musk 227 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 9: laughed off the idea that BID was serious competition for 228 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 9: his company, But in more recent times he has said 229 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 9: that they are indeed competitive and with Tesla, and it's 230 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 9: interesting to see also the way that Elon Musk has 231 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 9: really sort of presented the value proposition for Tesla as 232 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:23,199 Speaker 9: a company that is also very much engaged with for 233 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:28,199 Speaker 9: instance the battery developing batteries and also at the charging 234 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:31,440 Speaker 9: network that is something that BYD does. Also they own 235 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 9: their own battery supply chain, which allows for the company 236 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 9: to have committed to vertical integration from a very early stage. 237 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:41,319 Speaker 9: So there's a lot of aspects of BID that makes 238 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 9: it quite competitive. And as you look at the broader 239 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 9: EV market with traditional carmakers like Volkswagen, here in Germany 240 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 9: trying to get into evs. They're having to make costly 241 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 9: deals in order to do the same thing that BYD 242 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:56,199 Speaker 9: is doing. 243 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:58,719 Speaker 2: What does this mean then, for China's become such a 244 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:00,680 Speaker 2: significant export of evs. 245 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 9: Yes, so it is interesting that China has essentially become 246 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:08,319 Speaker 9: a rival to Japan for the global leader in passenger 247 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 9: car exports now and about one point three million of 248 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 9: those three point six million vehicles that are being shipped 249 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 9: from mainland China are evs and so they've clearly this 250 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 9: is a real turnaround from where China was before, where 251 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 9: they were developing, they were producing the cars that other 252 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 9: countries were designing, but that you didn't have Chinese automakers 253 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 9: as a as a global leader. That really has changed. 254 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 9: And it's also interesting to see that the European car 255 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 9: makers are also feel threatened by this, and the EU 256 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 9: has also imposed this review of the Chinese subsidies of 257 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 9: the EV industry because there is also a potential that 258 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 9: they think that they are too heavily subsized and that's 259 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 9: risk for European automakers and the EU accounts for about 260 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 9: a third of all China EVE exports, so it is 261 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 9: a concern for China that they want to keep the 262 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 9: EU on side as a key trading partner in this space. 263 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, shifting sounds of the EV global market. Just briefly, though, 264 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 1: it was still a strong quarter for Tesla, surely. 265 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:19,239 Speaker 9: Yes, absolutely, I mean at one point eight million vehicles 266 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 9: being delivered this year is a significant amount because especially 267 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 9: in the current macro market, and also we all know 268 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 9: that Tesla's products are not the cheapest, so they have 269 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 9: really performed incredibly well. And that's what a lot of 270 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 9: analysts pointed out too, that it shows that there is 271 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 9: clear momentum in twenty twenty four, especially if there are 272 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 9: improvements in the global economy, and that there is also 273 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 9: this issue that the company is facing of trying to 274 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 9: scale up the cybertruck deliveries. But really the company itself 275 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 9: is still performing very well. It's just notable as a 276 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 9: shift within a sort of a macro shift within the 277 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 9: EV space, the byd offering cheaper models has managed to 278 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 9: overtake their deliveries this quarter. 279 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 2: This is Bloomberg Daybreak Europe, your morning brief on the 280 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 2: stories making news from London to Wall Street and beyond. 281 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 1: Look for us on your podcast feed every morning on Apple, Spotify, 282 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 1: and anywhere else you get your podcasts. 283 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 2: You can also listen live each morning on London DAB Radio, 284 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:24,359 Speaker 2: the Bloomberg Business app, and Bloomberg dot Com. 285 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 1: Our flagship New York station, is also available on your 286 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: Amazon Alexa devices. 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