1 00:00:01,639 --> 00:00:03,960 Speaker 1: Ron Anian, Where do I start? Do I, you know, 2 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: punch the ticket, run the clock and start a three 3 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 1: hundred and seventy five dollars diagnosis? Or do I just 4 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 1: take it for a rhyme? What the car doctor? My god? 5 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:24,759 Speaker 1: When the suspension system fails on one of those, it's 6 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 1: ten grand, you know it's it's it's a land Rover. 7 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 1: What are we talking right, We're not talking about a 8 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:34,200 Speaker 1: Toyota Camry. We're talking about a land Rover. 9 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 2: Welcome to the radio home of Ron Ananian, the Car Doctor. 10 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 2: Since nineteen ninety one, this is where car owners the 11 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 2: world over turned to for their definitive opinion on automotive repair. 12 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:49,239 Speaker 2: If your mechanics giving you a busy signal, pick up the. 13 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:52,839 Speaker 1: Phone and call in. The garage doors are open, but 14 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 1: I am here to take your call. At eight five 15 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 1: five five six ninety nine hundred. 16 00:00:56,760 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 2: And now he is running. 17 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 1: We have a busy hour for you. So I'm gonna 18 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:05,479 Speaker 1: do a couple of things real quick here. First of all, 19 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:07,040 Speaker 1: down around the bottom of the hour, we're gonna be 20 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: joined by Ken Miller. Ken's coming in to talk to 21 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: us about Northeast twenty four, the Northeast Trade Show down 22 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:16,039 Speaker 1: at the secaucas Meadowlands. Here at the Seaucaus Complex and Secaucus, 23 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 1: New Jersey. The Medal Lands Complex, Secaucus, New Jersey, the 24 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:21,319 Speaker 1: annual trade show that's probably the biggest in the East 25 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 1: and actually one of the biggest in the country, second 26 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: only to Seemas. So can we be stopping by to 27 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 1: do that? I want to talk a little bit about 28 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: sometimes it's simple in order repair real quick. Twenty thirteen 29 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: Volkswagon Jetta in the shop this week. You would think 30 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 1: how simple and how hard could this be? Both at 31 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: the same time. The customer asked for wiper blades. All right, Well, 32 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 1: Volkswagons are a little tricky, and it seems like that 33 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: customer that comes in for the oil chains just when 34 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 1: you least expect it. For my pros out there, you 35 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about, At the last minute, they say, hey, 36 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 1: can you get to set a wiper blades for me? 37 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: Depends on what you stock, right, Sometimes not everything is 38 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 1: everything to every vehicle. Well, we called up AutoZone. We 39 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: went on AutoZone pro dot com like you would expect 40 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 1: us to do, and we were able to find a 41 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 1: set of Peak Silicon plus wiper blades and in the 42 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: time that it took for us to do the oil change. 43 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 1: They had them delivered and nice to know that we 44 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:09,920 Speaker 1: put a nice set of Peak Silicon plus on it. 45 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 1: Plus AutoZone got them there in time. And AutoZone Pro 46 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 1: AutoZone pro dot com save the day again. And it 47 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: just goes to show you that sometimes simple becomes complicated 48 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 1: becomes simple again. It all depends on your parts house 49 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 1: and your ability to look at it online, especially something 50 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: like AutoZone pro dot com. Let's get to the garage, 51 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: Let's get to the garage doors, Let's get to the phones, 52 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:32,919 Speaker 1: and let's go to Matthew and Tennessee fourteen Kia four 53 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: tab believe that is with a two leader and the 54 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 1: check engine Like Matthew, you're on. What's going on? 55 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 3: Kiddo ron great show as always, Thank you, sir. Hey 56 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 3: my car through a is it a thirteen twenty six 57 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 3: code right for the noock sensor? 58 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 1: Yep. 59 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 3: So it's got two hundred and three thousand miles on it. 60 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:57,399 Speaker 3: It's a great running car. I've had it sense new. 61 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 3: My wife pointed out one day when I was leaving 62 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 3: for work that it had a little bit louder knock 63 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 3: that she heard a little bit like a clicking sound. 64 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 3: I checked it out the next day. I didn't really 65 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 3: hear anything at idle, but that day when I was 66 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 3: going to work, sure enough it went in the limp mode. 67 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 3: So I got it back home. I've got a couple 68 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 3: of choices now. I either sell the car as is 69 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 3: for one thousand dollars or fifteen hundred to somebody that 70 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 3: might be able to fix it. I take it into 71 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 3: a repair shop because I've already contacted the dealership. They're 72 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 3: suggesting putting in a remanufactured engine. I asked, since I'm 73 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:40,279 Speaker 3: going to be doing that, why not do it transmission 74 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 3: at the same time, Because it's got the two hundred 75 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 3: and three thousand miles on it, so I don't know 76 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 3: the life of the transmission. Yet they're saying that they 77 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 3: can do that for seventy two hundred out the door. 78 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 3: I guess my question is what is the reliability of 79 00:03:56,360 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 3: the re manufactured engine. I know you really can't answer 80 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 3: that because it really depends on the day of the week, 81 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 3: the mentality of the people that are putting it together. 82 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, let's so, let's let's chan let's let's let's break 83 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 1: this down into simple terms. First of all, I believe 84 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 1: what you're going through, Matthew is you know what Kia 85 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 1: and Hyundai both are famous for. They've got this campaign 86 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: going on. 87 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 3: Uh. 88 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 1: The last I looked at was p I two thousand 89 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:25,039 Speaker 1: and two A and it talks about first thing they're 90 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: going to do as a software update to the engine 91 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: and they're going to install, Uh, they're going to install 92 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: software that's going to change how it looks for into 93 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 1: text knock. Well, you're you're already past that point because 94 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 1: your engine already has has sound to it. This is 95 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 1: a known issue, known defect with Hyundai Kiya where the 96 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 1: engines are failing and you got to you got quite 97 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 1: a bit of life out of it. To go to 98 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: two hundred thousand miles, they typically start somewhere in the 99 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 1: ninety to one hundred and thirty thousand mile range. And 100 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: you know, Kia Hundai is replacing engines under warranty not 101 00:04:58,320 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: at your mileage, or I will say it like this, 102 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 1: I've never seen one replaced at your mileage. Most of 103 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 1: the mileage warranties end somewhere around one hundred and forty 104 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 1: to one hundred and fifty thousand miles. It also is 105 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 1: dependent upon did you buy the vehicle certified pre owned 106 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: or have you owned it since new, or did you 107 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 1: buy it used from somebody on an outside source. 108 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 3: So I bought it new, so I'm the original loaner 109 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 3: on the vehicle. 110 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 1: Okay, So your question Kia if it hasn't been already 111 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:28,360 Speaker 1: or did Kia mention to you that, yes, these engines 112 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: are problematic, that you know, they do have known issues 113 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 1: and they are replacing them under warranty, but you're out 114 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 1: of warranty or did that conversation never come up? 115 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, when I contacted the dealership, the parts are 116 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:46,479 Speaker 3: not sorry. The service manager very knowledgeable and we talked 117 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 3: about it, and I brought up the fact that you know, 118 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 3: with these rod bearings, he said that that particular motor, 119 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 3: the two point zero Leader only was rated out to 120 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty thousand miles, right, So he said, 121 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:02,160 Speaker 3: they're really not going to do anything with you pass that. Now. 122 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 3: I've heard from other people that since I do my 123 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 3: own oil changes religiously at five thousand miles, but still 124 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 3: that's going to come into play when you know and 125 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 3: realistically it's two hundred and three thousand miles. Sure, I 126 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 3: can't complain, No, I mean I've listened to thirteen thousand 127 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 3: for the car, right, and it's run wonderfully. 128 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:24,359 Speaker 4: Yeah, for nine years. 129 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 1: It's an inexpensive car. It did its job, all right. 130 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: If you started to calculate thirteen thousand dollars over nine 131 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 1: years everything that's done for you, you're ahead of the game. 132 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 1: So let's let's jump ahead. Let's let's assume dangerous word. 133 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 1: Let's assume there is no warranty, because I don't think 134 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 1: there is. So you know, now, do you replace the 135 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: engine and trans do you go seventy two let's call it, 136 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: seventy five hundred dollars into a nine year old vehicle? 137 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: You know, it's nine years old? At what point? 138 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:55,919 Speaker 3: You know? 139 00:06:57,240 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 1: In other words, you're doing this to get another nine 140 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: years out of it, another five you know? Do we 141 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 1: think you will get it? 142 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 3: And here's the thing, here's the thing, even with it, 143 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 3: if the car was running wonderfully right now, Kelly Bluebook 144 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 3: is only at five thousand dollars for the car right 145 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 3: for private sale, right, Well, I'm gonna put seventy hundred 146 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 3: dollars into this and the warranty on the engine is 147 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 3: only twelve months, twelve thousand miles. Now I understand that 148 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 3: if there's going to be a problem, it's going to 149 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 3: happen within the first few thousand miles. But still, you 150 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 3: would think you would get a better warranty. And I've 151 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 3: heard you say it on the show. Why don't they 152 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 3: warrant you though? 153 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 5: Right? 154 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 1: Why don't they give you more? You know, if this 155 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 1: was a three year, thirty six thousand mile warranty, then 156 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 1: it's probably worth a roll of the dice, because three 157 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 1: thousand dollars a year or twenty five hundred dollars a 158 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 1: year to drive that vehicle, that's cheap, right. But you know, 159 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 1: I always I always try to weigh the value of 160 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: the company I'm dealing with the longevity of the part 161 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 1: I'm replacing, and where am I going from here? So 162 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: let's go the other way. Let's take the seventy five 163 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 1: hundred dollars off the table. You got thirty grand for 164 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 1: a replacement used car. 165 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 3: No, No, And everything I'm looking at in the price 166 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 3: range that I would like to stay at is it 167 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 3: could potentially be somebody else's problem, right that I'm assuming, 168 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 3: And now I'm gonna have to put some money into 169 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 3: that car. Now, granted, the Key four K does not, 170 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 3: you know, give you tingles when you're driving it. I mean, 171 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 3: it's a great car. It's got a little pep to it, 172 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 3: it's a two door, it's it's somewhat fun to drive. 173 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 3: It's transportation of us on the path. But it's been wonderful. 174 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's transportation. 175 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 3: They're actually fun to drive. Yeah, So that's what I'm 176 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:40,839 Speaker 3: kind of playing out. 177 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: What's the budget mat. 178 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 3: Realistically? I mean, I could I could do twenty twenty 179 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 3: five thousand on a car, but I'm doing an eighty 180 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 3: four mile one way commute every day. 181 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:58,319 Speaker 1: So why don't. 182 00:08:58,400 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 3: Why don't we do this bottom miles? 183 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 6: Yeah? 184 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 1: Why do we do this? Why don't we Why don't 185 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 1: we jump down to the local Toyota store just for giggles? 186 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 1: What is what is twenty five grand bias in the 187 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:12,439 Speaker 1: way of a Corolla? Let's go? Look, you know what 188 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 1: knowledge is power, and. 189 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 3: You know, I've heard a lot of good things about Toyota, 190 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 3: but honestly, when you close the door, they're timmy. 191 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 1: Well, and that's you know. 192 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 3: I mean, call it call it weird, call it you know, idiosyncrasy, whatever. 193 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 3: But when you're when you're just closing the door. I 194 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 3: want to hear a solid door closed. Yeah, he has 195 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:37,719 Speaker 3: got a solid door. 196 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: Really, I was going to say, you think that Kia 197 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 1: closes the door better than the than the Corolla. 198 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, believe it or not, I'll have to pay 199 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:45,719 Speaker 3: I'll have. 200 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 1: To pay more attention. I'll have to pay more attention. 201 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: Of course, you're talking about a model year fourteen car 202 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 1: versus what might be a model year twenty or twenty 203 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 1: one car, right, so you know things change, but you 204 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:02,199 Speaker 1: know this is a matter of economics. I'm hesitant to 205 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 1: put the seventy five hundred bucks into the fourteen Kia 206 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 1: just because the warranty, the availability of parts, you know. 207 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: I mean, I've got a thousand things on the back 208 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 1: of my mind. You know, I'm thinking about that twenty 209 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: twenty one Corolla. If you can find something for twenty 210 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 1: or twenty two thousand dollars, and maybe I'm wrong, maybe 211 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 1: it doesn't exist, you don't have to go see what 212 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: the market's like. And if you can, if you can 213 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 1: find that and you go to two hundred thousand miles 214 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:31,200 Speaker 1: out of that, with the way you take care of 215 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 1: a car, I think in the long run, you're better 216 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:34,839 Speaker 1: off and you're safer. 217 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 3: Okay, all right? 218 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:37,680 Speaker 7: You know. 219 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 3: And the other thing with the remnufactured engine, I understand 220 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:43,680 Speaker 3: that when Kia was producing them, they had the rod 221 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:47,680 Speaker 3: bearing failures. Now, for whatever reason that was, with the 222 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:51,079 Speaker 3: new rem manufactured engine, all the internal parts are brand 223 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 3: new versus the rebuilt where they're just kind of taking 224 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 3: parts off of your engine. Right, But are those new 225 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 3: parts going to be better quality that they address all 226 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 3: of those known issues that Kia had or are they 227 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 3: just continuing to have those problems? 228 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 1: You would hope, so, you would hope so, right, And 229 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 1: then again it doesn't matter because they only have to 230 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 1: warrantee it for twelve months or twelve thousand miles, whichever 231 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 1: comes first. And at the rate you drive, it's going 232 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 1: to be out to warranty in a year one way 233 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: or another. 234 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, absolutely, four or five months. I'll be a 235 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 3: twelve thousand. 236 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:28,679 Speaker 1: Months, right, So just curious, you know what, get down 237 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 1: to get go, do some shopping, call us back, let 238 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:32,199 Speaker 1: us know what you want, because I bet you have 239 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:34,440 Speaker 1: the listeners want to know, you know, what would they do? 240 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:36,599 Speaker 1: And I'd be curious to hear what they I'm telling you, 241 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 1: I would really think hard about doing a doing, doing 242 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 1: something for that twenty twenty two thousand dollars range and 243 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 1: then getting out of the kya and just you know, 244 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 1: count your blessings. You're ahead. Time to move on. Let 245 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:49,680 Speaker 1: us know what you end up doing, Matthew, I'm running. 246 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: Dy and the car doctor. We're back right after this. 247 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 1: Whether it's a. 248 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 5: Little red Corvette or you go, you've come to the 249 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 5: right place to get that car fixed. Ron an Ay 250 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 5: and the car Doctor eight five five five six zero 251 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 5: nine nine zero zero. 252 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 1: Now back to Ron. Hey, let's go to Bill in 253 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 1: Michigan O five Chevy Tahoe and some questions about a 254 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 1: whistle Bill You're on with the car doctor, sir, how 255 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 1: can I help? 256 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 4: Hey, Ron, thanks for taking my call. 257 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: You're welcome. 258 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 4: Well, after about fifteen hundred miles on a new engine, 259 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:31,719 Speaker 4: I developed a whistling noise. Originally I thought it was 260 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 4: kind of a squeal. Might have been the serpentine belt 261 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 4: or a pulley going bad. But we've gone through all 262 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 4: of that and it is more of a whistling noise. 263 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 4: A couple of mechanics have looked at it, spent some time, 264 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 4: you know, with their stethoscopes, trying to pinpoint the noise, 265 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:53,319 Speaker 4: and they've come up empty handed the more I think. 266 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 4: But I mean, it's an airflow of something, but there's 267 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 4: no vacuum lines to speak of, and so I'm wondering 268 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 4: if maybe it's this after market specter airflow system I have, 269 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 4: that maybe there's a hole in the boots or these 270 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 4: elbow that's on that that it's usually at colder temperatures. 271 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 1: Is it is an engine or trans bill. 272 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 4: It's engine, Okay. It fluctuates with my you know, when 273 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 4: I pressed on the gas. You know, if I'm going 274 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 4: down the road going faster, it's a little louder, and 275 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 4: then back and off, and then after a while it 276 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 4: goes away and then it'll come back. But has it 277 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 4: said it's usually during the cold temperatures. 278 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 1: Has nothing to do with hydro boost to wheel straight 279 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 1: ahead or turned or when the brakes are applied. It's 280 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 1: there sitting still started up in the driveway. It's gonna 281 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 1: make the noise, yeah, okay, And it's it's not from 282 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 1: the dashboard. It's got nothing to do with the heating system. 283 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: It's clearly out under the hood. 284 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 4: Absolutely, Okay. 285 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: Get a look at GM bulletin or preliminary piece of 286 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 1: information in three zero eight six a whistle noise from 287 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 1: the throttle body area, and they talk about running changes 288 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 1: to the intake manifold. I believe it was. And I'm 289 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:15,680 Speaker 1: wondering if you've got one of the wrong intakes or 290 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:17,560 Speaker 1: did you did you reuse your intake? 291 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 4: I believe it did. I mean it was a new 292 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 4: engine block, as GM certified block. We got the new 293 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 4: engine and just transferred parts over. And actually both of 294 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 4: these mechanics has checked the throttle bottle area and you know, 295 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 4: came up blank on that as well. But if there's 296 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 4: some sort of a discrepancy with the wrong one, I 297 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 4: don't know how that could have happened. 298 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't if they reused the original one, I 299 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: don't see that either. So then the last question, if 300 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 1: you take the belt off, is the noise gone? 301 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 4: I don't know. I wasn't around when they changed the 302 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 4: belt to see if that happened. 303 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 1: Because there was there was an issue going back. I 304 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 1: remember I had a couple of these strange complaints. We're 305 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 1: going back. This is an five, so we're going back 306 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 1: ten years where the water pump was making this noise 307 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 1: and it was in front of the engine. You would 308 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 1: swear it was throttle body intake manifold area, but it 309 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 1: was actually the water pump itself, disconnect, the disconnect the belt. 310 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: Does that change it? 311 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 4: Okay, well that's something to look into for sure, all. 312 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 1: Right, and see if you can get your hands on 313 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 1: if you want to just read about it, see if 314 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 1: you can get your hands on PIP three zero eight 315 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 1: six A and maybe that'll jiggle their memory. You know, 316 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 1: they talked about a noise all idle, accelerating light, light pedal, 317 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 1: that kind of a thing. It was a whistle noise 318 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: from the throttle body area. 319 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 4: Okay, well I'll do that. 320 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 1: I appreciate your help, all right, sir, you're very welcome. Yeah, 321 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 1: so let us know what happens. You're welcome, Bill, Let 322 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: us know what happens. Not a problem, take good care, yeah, listen. 323 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 1: Sometimes it's just a matter of that, guys. It's you know, 324 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 1: you got to look for the ridiculous and the obtuse. 325 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 1: And sometimes that's the hardest part of all this. It's 326 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 1: just a matter of finding what you know, there's always 327 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: an answer. I don't care, there's always an answer. We 328 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 1: had a an eleven gmc savannah in the shop this 329 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 1: week from another shop, and we were just doing helping 330 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 1: them do some work to it. We were reflashing the 331 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: PCM and giving it back to him, and of course 332 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: I had to do some testing because I was just 333 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: curious for my own sake, and I ran through my 334 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 1: filthy five and nothing I did could prove what was wrong. 335 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 1: Everything this truck would basically misfire on the right bank, 336 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 1: and the shop is working through the problems and we're 337 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 1: just trying to, you know, help them along. And we 338 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 1: found also that there were issues with you know, there 339 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 1: was issues with the PCM, there was issue with the 340 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 1: right side selling their head. Long story short, late on Friday, 341 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 1: we'd given it back to them after doing the computer 342 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 1: and the software update because that's what they had asked 343 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 1: us for. They called us to tell us that they 344 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 1: found the right side ignition coil bank wasn't firing properly, 345 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:22,199 Speaker 1: It wasn't receiving proper voltage once the vehicle warmed up. 346 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: We still don't have the final answer as far as 347 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:27,119 Speaker 1: why it's doing that, but at least they have a 348 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 1: direction to go. And my point becomes, sometimes you just 349 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 1: got to work the problem. You got to start thinking, 350 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:33,719 Speaker 1: you know, what are we missing going through the obvious 351 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 1: or they're not so obvious and eventually coming to some 352 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 1: kind of a diagnostic conclusion. And I think that's what's 353 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 1: going to happen here with this, in this case, Bill, 354 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 1: with this, with this tahoe that you know there's a 355 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 1: there's a diagnostic conclusion here somewhere that that you have 356 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 1: yet to find. So you know it's there, you just 357 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 1: got to go dig in. So Hey, coming up next, 358 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 1: Ken Miller. You know, we talked to the guys over 359 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 1: at AESPNJ every year and they're running again the Northeast 360 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:03,479 Speaker 1: for trade show down at the Meadowlands in Socaucus, New 361 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 1: Jersey two weeks I think it is. And Ken's gonna 362 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 1: stop by and talk to us a little bit about well, 363 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 1: you know, as the autobody industry and always evolving in 364 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 1: the trade show, always evolving. Just some good conversation that 365 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 1: you had, so stick around. Come right back. I'm running 366 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 1: Anie in the Car Doctor. 367 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 6: We'll see you on the other side. 368 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 1: Welcome back, listeners, run an Anie in the Car Doctor. 369 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 1: You know, every year around this time of year, it's 370 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:51,439 Speaker 1: a rite of passage here in the Northeast and it 371 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 1: has been for so many years and we get to 372 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 1: do this each and every year. Sometimes it's the same individuals, 373 00:18:57,320 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 1: sometimes it's someone new. Ken Miller is new to us. 374 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: He is the owner of eight twenty one Collision in 375 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 1: North Heldon, New Jersey. He is also the current elected 376 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 1: president of AESP New Jersey, and he's here tonight to 377 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:10,160 Speaker 1: talk to us a little bit about well the out 378 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 1: of body industry and what's been going on with him, 379 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: and also about Northeast twenty four which is coming up 380 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: in two weeks down at the Metal Ends Exposition Center 381 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:22,640 Speaker 1: in Socluccus, New Jersey. Ken, Welcome to the Car Doctor, sir. 382 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 1: Happy to have you. 383 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 5: Thanks for having me on Ron. 384 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 1: You're very welcome. You're in the body shop business, right, 385 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 1: collision business. You're on that side of the on that 386 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 1: side of the counter, and it's always good to talk 387 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 1: to the body guys. So your problems, you and I 388 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 1: have the same problems sort of kind of as shop owners. 389 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:43,399 Speaker 1: We're faced with a lot. But what in the last 390 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:48,639 Speaker 1: couple of years has been what you've seen transpire to 391 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 1: what's helping what's hurting business right now? 392 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 5: Probably the biggest thing that we see and we deal 393 00:19:56,800 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 5: with is all of the changing technology, the advent of 394 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:06,680 Speaker 5: advanced driver assistant systems radars, ldars, camera based systems, all 395 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 5: of the things that people come to rely on to 396 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:12,679 Speaker 5: keep them safe and those creature comforts that they like. 397 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:14,360 Speaker 5: You don't have to turn your head anymore to find 398 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 5: out what's behind you. You're looking at a camera or 399 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:20,200 Speaker 5: you know, a TV on your dashboard. You're driving down 400 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 5: the road and keeps you in the lane or warns 401 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 5: you when you cross over the lane. You know, the 402 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:29,640 Speaker 5: emergency braking stuff like that. All of those things require 403 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:36,880 Speaker 5: really really precise calibrations and understanding of how those systems 404 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 5: work and function the way they function with other systems 405 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 5: that you may not think they involve. It's a really 406 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:50,919 Speaker 5: really complicated thing as opposed to yesterday, when you know, 407 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 5: we drove the cars ourselves. 408 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 1: Right, and somebody brought you a car because the fender 409 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: was crumpled, you know, the fender was crumpled on the 410 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:02,440 Speaker 1: car twenty years ago, versus today that car. The car, 411 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:05,919 Speaker 1: the car twenty years ago got you know, bump putty 412 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:08,639 Speaker 1: and paint right, and you know today that car may 413 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:11,400 Speaker 1: be totaled. You know, how many, how many how many 414 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: computers are in that fender and I get you know, 415 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,399 Speaker 1: there's an interesting question, Ken, So do you do you 416 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 1: feel or do you see cars getting totaled more today 417 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 1: in this day and age because of the technology that's 418 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 1: in them. Is it actually hurting the ability for them 419 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 1: to be repaired? 420 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:31,120 Speaker 5: Definitely, Yeah, it definitely impacts it. You'll have a car that's, 421 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,440 Speaker 5: you know, just a couple of years old, like, for instance, 422 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,919 Speaker 5: a radar module in the front of a car, if 423 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 5: it gets damaged in an accident, at that radar module 424 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 5: by itself, maybe twenty five hundred dollars. Wow, So you 425 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 5: tack on that twenty five hundred dollars plus the calibrations 426 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 5: that are required on top of that, it can easily 427 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 5: total a car that's you know, to the to the layman, 428 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:58,439 Speaker 5: especially when you're dealing with with you know, regular people 429 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:01,160 Speaker 5: just driving a car. They look at this and they go, 430 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:05,920 Speaker 5: that can't possibly be totaled. And you know what, in 431 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:10,400 Speaker 5: some instances it doesn't look bad at all. Right, Yeah, it. 432 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,919 Speaker 1: Just is the electronics, the calibrations, as you say, the 433 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 1: repair procedures, the process. You know, it's it's sort of 434 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,159 Speaker 1: people will say to me, hey, Ron, I've got this 435 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 1: bumper that needs to be painted. My wife, you know, 436 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,199 Speaker 1: we put a scratch and I'll tell them, look, I'm 437 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:25,439 Speaker 1: out of body shop. You've got to go to a 438 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 1: body shop. You know what do you think it's going 439 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 1: to cost? 440 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 3: Run? 441 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 1: My guess is always it's one thousand and fifteen hundred 442 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 1: dollars to paint anything today, right, you know, And you 443 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,879 Speaker 1: know that alone just sort of sets people off. So 444 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,919 Speaker 1: you can't imagine if there's body damage and what's involved there, 445 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,639 Speaker 1: especially if you get into the technology to the technology side. 446 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 1: Ken So for our shop owners that are out there, 447 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:51,639 Speaker 1: for the guys that are doing the body work and 448 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 1: the collision work and the mechanical stuff, right, because the 449 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: mechanics will show up to this too, Northeast twenty four. 450 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,119 Speaker 1: You know what's going to be there. What's the education 451 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 1: that they're going to receive to help deal with all 452 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:04,639 Speaker 1: this kind of technology? Because there's an awful lot of 453 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 1: events going on there this year as always. 454 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, So so for this year, we've got a great 455 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 5: slate of educators that are coming in, uh, you know, 456 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 5: the the nation's best presenters coming coming to talk about 457 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 5: all kinds of things, uh. Future trends, aid ass The certifications, 458 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,640 Speaker 5: the consolidation of the market, like we're seeing a lot 459 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 5: of these small shops go away in favor of you know, 460 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 5: large consolidators, you know, just a host of different things. 461 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 5: And that's we're running that. That that's during the show 462 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 5: is Friday to Sunday, and we have Dave lore with 463 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,640 Speaker 5: with Elite Body Shop Solutions coming in early to do 464 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 5: a presentation on knowing your numbers to get to get 465 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 5: the shops really up to speed on running their business 466 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 5: like a business right. And I believe that to be important. 467 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 1: Oh I think I think running the business like a business. 468 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,399 Speaker 1: You know, one of the things I learned very early 469 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 1: in my career was I could be a very good mechanic, 470 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 1: I have to be a better business person and you know, 471 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:13,159 Speaker 1: know my numbers. So it really becomes critical. And Northeast 472 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,400 Speaker 1: has never disappointed in the classes that they've put on. 473 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:18,360 Speaker 1: You know, it's been a while since I've been there, 474 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 1: because I'm embarrassed to say I'm always working on Saturday. 475 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:26,159 Speaker 1: By the time Sunday rolls around, I'm sleeping. But you know, 476 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,360 Speaker 1: the last few that I was at it was interesting, 477 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 1: right there was I'm sure you're going to have it 478 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 1: this year, the welding booth looking at how welders worked. 479 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,120 Speaker 1: You know, there's usually a tire machine vendor or two 480 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: there showing the latest entire machine technology. There's always a 481 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 1: couple of spray booth guys. There's frame machines. You know, 482 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:49,239 Speaker 1: it's it's staggering the amount of vendors that show up, 483 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,119 Speaker 1: with the type of equipment that show up, and it 484 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,679 Speaker 1: all it goes up like a carnee ride and it 485 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 1: comes down like a carney ride, real quick and fast. Right. 486 00:24:56,840 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 1: It starts Friday night or no Thursday, Thursday move in. 487 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 1: Friday is the first day of the show. 488 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,200 Speaker 5: Correct, Thursday's move in and we have that Dave word 489 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:09,679 Speaker 5: presentation and Friday night starts the show. This year it's 490 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,359 Speaker 5: actually you know, touching on what you said there. Not 491 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,440 Speaker 5: only do we have the vendors there that do have 492 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 5: some of their stuff set up that is actually functional 493 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 5: where you can test the welders. So like you say, 494 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 5: but this year we had the body Work Bowl, which 495 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,920 Speaker 5: is our second annual, and we get technicians that come 496 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:27,959 Speaker 5: out and get to you know, see how good they 497 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 5: are compared to their their you know, other other neighbors 498 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 5: and stuff. So it's it's a it's a fun time 499 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:38,200 Speaker 5: because they get to actually test their abilities and see 500 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 5: how they do against their their peers. 501 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,639 Speaker 1: So that's kind of interesting. So we're we're going to 502 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,679 Speaker 1: try and cultivate and you know, help everybody get to 503 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 1: see where their skills are at and then improve their skills, right, 504 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 1: because we always, always, all of us always need our 505 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:56,119 Speaker 1: skills to be worked upon and improved. What's the I 506 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 1: see in my notes that were sent to me the 507 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 1: fifth annual Young Technician Awards. What's that all about? Ken? 508 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,919 Speaker 5: So, a couple of years back, five years we we 509 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:10,400 Speaker 5: teamed up with Utica, the Utica Insurance Group was kind 510 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:14,160 Speaker 5: enough to give us a grant, and what we decided 511 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 5: to do with that grant was try and promote some 512 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 5: young technician UH and and get them a tool set 513 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 5: for what they were going to do, and and give 514 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 5: them a jump start, because we all know how much 515 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 5: it costs to start out buying your tools and and 516 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,159 Speaker 5: you know, trying to borrow a tool from somebody in 517 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 5: the shop just really isn't a thing or not easy. 518 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,359 Speaker 5: And this was a great way that we found that 519 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:42,160 Speaker 5: we can get a young technician started UH with their 520 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 5: tool set. So we give them a small toolbox roll 521 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 5: around type toolbox and some tools to fill it up, 522 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 5: and we do different stuff throughout the years. But it's 523 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 5: really been a success. And and uh and and I'm 524 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 5: really happy to be a part of that. 525 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,439 Speaker 1: What do you think? You know, Ken, I'm not to 526 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,679 Speaker 1: put you on the spot. If you're starting out, right, 527 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 1: you go, you go to a trade school. Well, you'll 528 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:05,200 Speaker 1: learn basic body body person collision person one on one, 529 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 1: and then you come out and you buy a basic 530 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:10,680 Speaker 1: beginner toolbox, set of tools. What's a cost? Any idea 531 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:11,479 Speaker 1: rough numbers? 532 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 5: You can spend thousands. I'm sure you're in the same 533 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 5: position I am. I'm still a technician. I still do 534 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 5: it today, and I still buy tools every week. Right, 535 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,400 Speaker 5: you know, it's but for somebody to get started, even 536 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 5: if they're just going to do some basic disassembly, reassembly, 537 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 5: that sort of thing. I bet you're going to spend 538 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 5: five thousand bucks easy before that, Yeah. 539 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,920 Speaker 1: Right, I was going to say five to ten. Right, 540 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:36,119 Speaker 1: by the time you get it and you get a 541 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,639 Speaker 1: decent box, and and then it's just it's always growing. 542 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:44,119 Speaker 1: It's it's just a continued it's just a continued process. Hey, Ken, 543 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 1: let's pull over, take a pause. When we come back, 544 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,119 Speaker 1: I want to talk a little bit about recycled rides, 545 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 1: what that's all about. Maybe you could just kind of 546 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 1: touch on. Dave Kindick of TV's Bitch and Rides is 547 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 1: going to be there as well and maybe talk about 548 00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,119 Speaker 1: his day, what we could expect to see and all 549 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 1: the other things that are going on down there at 550 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 1: the Meadle Ends Exposition Center, Socauccus, New Jersey, the weekend 551 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 1: of March fifteenth. I'm here with Ken Miller. I'm ronninating 552 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:08,959 Speaker 1: in the Car Doctor. We'll both be back right after this. 553 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:19,440 Speaker 7: Don't go away. 554 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 1: Welcome back listeners. Ronin Aading the Car Doctor, still here 555 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,880 Speaker 1: with Ken Miller from we're talking about Northeast twenty four. 556 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,160 Speaker 1: Ken is the president of ASPNJ is also the owner 557 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 1: of eight twenty one Collision in North Heildon, New Jersey. Ken. 558 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 1: When we pulled away, just real brief, I want to 559 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 1: cover everything in the remaining minutes. We have recycled rides. 560 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 1: That's something you guys did this last year. It's gone 561 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 1: on for a while. Just talk a little bit about that. 562 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 1: That's sort of a feel good kind of a program 563 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 1: that ASPNJ has going. 564 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 5: On it is. Yeah, and the National lawnter Body Council, 565 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 5: together with a bunch of other people, basically rebuild a 566 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 5: car and they give it to a deserving person. That 567 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 5: last year was I believe a military vet. Uh. It's 568 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 5: just really cool program where we get to positively impact 569 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 5: somebody's life. 570 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 7: Yeah. 571 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 1: Isn't that great? 572 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 5: Right? Yeah? 573 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 1: Clearly a feel good which we kind of need in 574 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 1: this day and age, you know, to offset some of 575 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 1: the things we hear on a daily basis. Dave Kendig 576 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 1: of Motor Trend TV's are going to be there, correct, 577 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 1: talk a little talk a little bit about that and 578 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 1: you know what do you think he's going to be 579 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 1: talking about or is he just going to be in 580 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 1: the booth on the floor. How how could people get 581 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 1: to see him or be in contact with him? 582 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 5: Yep, definitely on Saturday of the day you know Dave. 583 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:44,720 Speaker 5: Dave has condiged Designs, Bitch and Rides on Motor Trend TV. 584 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 5: Cool show if anybody's ever seen it, and he really 585 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 5: does some really great stuff, uh you know, over the 586 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 5: top stuff. And I believe he's going to have one 587 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,960 Speaker 5: of his vehicles there as well, So not only to 588 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:57,720 Speaker 5: see him, but they'll get to see some really cool 589 00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 5: craftsmanship and I. 590 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,960 Speaker 1: Guess get to talk to him and you know, hey, Dave, yes. 591 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 5: You'll be signing, signing autographs and whatnot. Yeah, he'll be 592 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 5: there talking to people. 593 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, sort of get to touch the stars. Let's go 594 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 1: back to I want to just touch on Bodywork Bowl, 595 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 1: the collision repair skills competition. So you know, it's kind 596 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 1: of a neat idea, right because and I should ask 597 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,719 Speaker 1: you this question, how big of a problem is it 598 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 1: cultivating body people problem? 599 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 5: We're not unique right now, like all the trades, right, 600 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 5: everybody is having the challenges is trying to get great 601 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 5: people into the industry and and and you know we're 602 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 5: all doing our thing, trying to target young people and 603 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 5: uh you know, schools and everything else to get get 604 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 5: just people interested in the trades. And that doesn't necessarily 605 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 5: have to be our trade, right, but we want to 606 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 5: get them interested in the trades. But Bodywork Bowl is 607 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 5: a is a cool competition. Welding, painting and estimating, and 608 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 5: they're different, different components of each, but you get the 609 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,719 Speaker 5: see you get to watch these guys that are actually 610 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 5: using these uh Ai kind of paint guns, you know 611 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 5: where they're painting into the air, but it's really not painting. 612 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 4: Uh. 613 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 5: But you know they're they're they're visually seeing this, so 614 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 5: it's uh, it's just you know, cool technology, neat stuff, 615 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 5: uh and you know fun uh competition between the pears. 616 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,560 Speaker 1: You know, for somebody, for a young person in high 617 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 1: school today, a lot of high schools have done away 618 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:31,000 Speaker 1: with shop class, right, It's just it just doesn't seem 619 00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 1: to exist. So for that person that wants to if 620 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 1: if there's any left that want to be a body person, 621 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 1: you know, what's their career path? How will they get 622 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 1: to that too? You know, do they go down to 623 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 1: the local body shop start sweeping the floor and after 624 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,960 Speaker 1: six months you're gonna let them spray something? Or is 625 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 1: there is there a formal education that they can go 626 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,680 Speaker 1: get at some you know, post high school university so 627 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 1: to speak. 628 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 5: So there's a lot of great programs that are coming out. 629 00:31:58,120 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 5: I'm not going to let the cat out of the 630 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 5: back too much. Actually was on a Zoom call today 631 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 5: about some really exciting stuff that's coming for some young people. 632 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 5: But for right now, I would say the best thing 633 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 5: to do is get involved with that that local shop 634 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:19,720 Speaker 5: that these kids drive past, probably their whole young life 635 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 5: and stop in and talk to them and see if 636 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 5: it feels like a fit, because there's a lot of 637 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 5: people that are really willing to train young people who 638 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 5: are the next generation of rising stars. Right, these are 639 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 5: the guys that are going to be fixing our cars 640 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 5: in twenty thirty forty years, and we're really hungry for 641 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 5: having great young kids come in the door. 642 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 7: Right. 643 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's and there's always that. There's always that next 644 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,480 Speaker 1: you know, Dave Kindig and you know and the others 645 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:54,239 Speaker 1: that have preceded him, they're still there. It's not like 646 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 1: they're out not out there. It's just a matter of 647 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 1: waiting to be discovered. And I think that's you know, 648 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 1: that's clearly what has to happen in some form or 649 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:05,480 Speaker 1: fashion for the industry to continue to grow. Because the 650 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 1: technology is only going to increase and the challenges are 651 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 1: only going to increase, and the opportunities are only going 652 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 1: to increase. We just got to have people there to 653 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 1: meet those needs and grow with it too. So sure, definitely, yeah, 654 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 1: it makes. 655 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 5: These are these are great. These are great opportunities for 656 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 5: young kids. It's not like the dirty old body shop 657 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 5: that you knew well, they didn't know it, but we 658 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 5: knew it back in the eighties. Uh, you know, it's 659 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 5: it's a different thing now, it's more technological, it's uh, 660 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,560 Speaker 5: it's just it's completely different. You know. Environments are different, 661 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 5: much safer, much cleaner, just just a much better environment. 662 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,080 Speaker 5: And it's a real career for somebody moving forward. 663 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 1: Right And you know, listen, somebody some people. Some people 664 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 1: work on offices, some people work with their hands. Some people, 665 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,320 Speaker 1: you know, I still get personal satisfaction of coming home 666 00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,240 Speaker 1: at the end of the day fixing something nobody can fix, 667 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 1: or just doing the day to day, but just working 668 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,080 Speaker 1: with my hands. It gives me that that feeling of completion. 669 00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:58,920 Speaker 1: And I think that's the people that are out there 670 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:02,240 Speaker 1: that are just you know, they're wandering maybe, and we 671 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,480 Speaker 1: can help provide them with that direction. And that's what 672 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,719 Speaker 1: Northeast twenty four will do, right, Ken, They can get 673 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,120 Speaker 1: themselves down to the Metal Lands the weekend of March 674 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:13,480 Speaker 1: fifteenth through the seventeenth at the Metal Lands Exposition Center. 675 00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,759 Speaker 1: Where can they get more information, Ken, so that we 676 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,400 Speaker 1: can increase your turnout and help you guys. 677 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 5: Tell us it'd be great. They can go right to 678 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:26,440 Speaker 5: the website AASPNJ dot org. Go on there, Northeast is 679 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 5: going to be the first thing that they see. 680 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:32,040 Speaker 1: Okay, cool beans. As always, sir, I always, it's always 681 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 1: good to talk to you guys, and I'm happy to 682 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,279 Speaker 1: meet you here on airon I look forward to meeting 683 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 1: you in person. You stay well and have a great 684 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,960 Speaker 1: rest of the weekend. Thanks, Ron, be well, You're very welcome. 685 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:41,480 Speaker 1: I'm Ron and Andy and the car Doctor. We are 686 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,000 Speaker 1: back right after this. Don't go away.