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Speaker 1: Fish and Filter at episode sixty two. My name is

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Speaker 1: Kevin Barrall. I'm here with my co host, Isaacazouit and

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Speaker 1: good friend, and we have a very special guest today.

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Speaker 1: We have Alex Krutchik our own our own staff or

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Speaker 1: he's joining us because you two were at the Peter

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Speaker 1: bendex press conference that took place earlier today. We're recording

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Speaker 1: this on Tuesday, just as the Detroit Tigers and that

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Speaker 1: Houston Astro game is wrapping up, and I believe we

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Speaker 1: are a couple other games are starting up now. So, Isaac,

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Speaker 1: what's up? Season's over? A lot to talk about Skip

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Speaker 1: is gone. Well, you could talk a little bit about

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Speaker 1: some candidates that could potentially replace him, maybe an update

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Speaker 1: soon on the coaching staff, and then what's to come

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Speaker 1: with this offseason. Honestly, it's it's a very crucial one

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Speaker 1: for Peter Bendix.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it is following his first full season as the

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Speaker 2: head of a baseball operations Head of Baseball Operations, Hi, Kevin,

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Speaker 2: how are you glad you consider me a good friend? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Like you said, Alex Krutchick and I were both at

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Speaker 2: the end of season press conference held by Peter Bennix

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Speaker 2: Brew Sureman was not available, which I did ask about,

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Speaker 2: and I did ask if it's the norm for most

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Speaker 2: majority owners to be available. Apparently it's not, so I

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Speaker 2: don't put too much weight into that. But yeah, we

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Speaker 2: have a lot to dive into. We have Skip Schumacher,

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Speaker 2: obviously him and the Marlins mutually partying ways. We have

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Speaker 2: a whole off season to try and predict what may

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Speaker 2: or may not happen. And like you said, we're going

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Speaker 2: to get into some managerial candidates and probably review the

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Speaker 2: whole twenty twenty four Forgetful season and just talk about

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Speaker 2: what went right, what went wrong, and everything else.

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Speaker 1: Probably the last time we'll be talking about the twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four season on here, honestly, and I a wouldn't

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Speaker 1: hate not going back to it. So, but another good

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Speaker 1: friend in our staff for your Crutchick, what's up? You

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Speaker 1: were there at Peter Bendix's press conference, and we'll let

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Speaker 1: you kick it off. Man, what you I know, it

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Speaker 1: is a whole lot of nothing, honestly, let's be fair.

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Speaker 1: A lot of conversations were had, some were had, some

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Speaker 1: were not had, and some were privates. So just take

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Speaker 1: us through what Peter Bendix said on Tuesday, morning.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you really said it.

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Speaker 2: There.

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Speaker 3: There's three categories of conversations with Peter Bendix, the ones

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Speaker 3: that they've had, the ones that they will have, and

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Speaker 3: the ones that are being kept private. Every single question

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Speaker 3: that we asked fell into one of those categories that

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Speaker 3: we tried. Man Like, people want us to ask the

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Speaker 3: hard questions. Let me tell you as someone who was

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Speaker 3: in the room, we all ask hard questions. Me Isaac

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Speaker 3: MLB dot com, Miami Harold like, we all asked hard questions. Oh,

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Speaker 3: Alex Trabasse. All of us ask hard questions. All of

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Speaker 3: us asked the same hard question twice, even three times.

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Speaker 3: There was one question that was asked three times. And

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Speaker 3: he's just a very closed book, doesn't tell you anything

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Speaker 3: at all, and it's by design. I'm sure Peter Bendix

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Speaker 3: is not this boring of a person in his personal life,

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Speaker 3: but by design he doesn't want to tell us anything.

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Speaker 3: And I understand why, but it's still frustrating just going

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Speaker 3: to these press conferences and feeling just as out of

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Speaker 3: the loop leaving it as I was going into it.

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Speaker 1: If you want to follow up with that, Isaac.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was perfectly said. That was awesome. I tried

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Speaker 2: to remember previous GMS or Head of Baseball Operations, Kim Ang,

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Speaker 2: Michael Hill, Larry Beinfez, all these people and also executives

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Speaker 2: of other teams. They do keep things close to best

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Speaker 2: they there is reason to not share things with the

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Speaker 2: like they did a much better job of saying more

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Speaker 2: he didn't say anything. Michael Hill, Kim Ayng, they would

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Speaker 2: at least be they would elaborate on things, they would

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Speaker 2: that Peter Bennis wasn't respectful, but it just felt like

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Speaker 2: we didn't come out of there thinking, wow, this was

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Speaker 2: we did ask. Obviously, the main storyline to ask today

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Speaker 2: This was someone who the entire roster, any player that

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Speaker 2: which there was a lot, but any Marlins player had

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Speaker 2: nothing but kind words to say about Skip. And you know,

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Speaker 2: if you ask me, if you have people that work

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Speaker 2: are for Skip. There's no bigger flex than that. You

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Speaker 2: Like Alex said, it was asked three times. I was

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Speaker 2: You had mentioned that you and Skip were aligned on

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Speaker 2: pretty much everything that was important. He had mentioned you'd

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Speaker 2: like to manage beyond twenty twenty four. Why weren't you

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Speaker 2: able to come up with it, to come through with.

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Speaker 1: A deal, Like I said, those we had a lot

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Speaker 2: Those are private conversations and may.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think there's much more to saund That

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Speaker 1: definitely frustrating going into that kind of those kind of

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Speaker 1: very frustrating to see, you know, really getting non answers,

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Speaker 1: and to a certain extent, Croach you kind of mentioned it.

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Speaker 1: definitely it's been a little frustrating. But hey man, we

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Speaker 1: hope he makes the right moves at the end of

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Speaker 1: that Skip Schumacher out as Marlin's. We've kind of had

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Speaker 1: it was. And Isaac Allat you talked about this, but Skip,

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Speaker 1: I mean, it goes without saying great human. He was

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Speaker 1: and I mean he really wasn't on too many other podcasts,

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Speaker 1: So definitely shows what he thought of our outlet and

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Speaker 1: what he thinks of us, and he supports what we did,

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Speaker 1: And I mean he was a great manager. Wanted in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. Tomorrow's back to the playoffs, first time

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Speaker 1: in the full season since two thousand and three. I

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Speaker 1: don't think there are better things that could be said

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Speaker 1: if he is planning to manage in twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, said Kevin. He was a Kimming higher. This

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Speaker 2: was a divided higher. From what I understand, It was

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Speaker 2: I think Skip Schumacher Without Skip, I don't think the

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Speaker 2: Marlins made the postseason in twenty twenty three. There was

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Speaker 2: another instance of Shoe magic, that he just was really

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Speaker 2: a fantastic higher for this team. Obviously, twenty twenty four

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Speaker 2: did not go the way we thought. In the fact, Kevin,

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Speaker 2: when he one of his podcast appearances on our show,

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Speaker 2: we actually had to delay it because of the kim ing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, his first time. It would have been his first time.

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Speaker 2: he he told me, Isaak'll you'll see why, but I

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Speaker 2: can't go on tomorrow. And he did come back on

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Speaker 2: eventually a couple more times after that. But the once

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Speaker 2: that happened, you just weren't really surprised that twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: wouldn't be able to tell if you looked at Skip

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Speaker 2: the way he was managing this team day in day out,

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Speaker 2: whether it was April first, or whether it was September fifteenth,

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Speaker 2: You did not know that Miami was forty fifty games

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Speaker 2: under five hundred. The way he managed was second to none,

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Speaker 2: and we shall see. I would give it a fifty

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Speaker 2: The opportunity has to be perfect for him from what

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Speaker 2: I understand.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, obviously is his son is going out of TCU.

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Speaker 1: get it. Uh, Cretchick talk a little bit about Skip,

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Speaker 1: you know, just a decision making that he had. I mean,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I you know, no one wants to hear this

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Speaker 3: after a one hundred lost season, But the fact that

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Speaker 3: the fact that they played until the very end. If anything,

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Speaker 3: they got better towards the end, it was very weird

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Speaker 3: Not that anyone thought that it was Skipp's fault that

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Speaker 3: No one blamed Skip within the clubhouse, at least not

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Speaker 3: weekend of the season in Toronto, it really speaks to

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Speaker 1: Rob Thompson, so it's been there for a very, very

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Speaker 1: long time. The other name I would look at personally

434
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Speaker 1: is from the Tampa Bay Race coaching staff, Rodney Lenaris,

435
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Speaker 1: who is very familiar with Sandy L. Contro. He was

436
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Speaker 1: the Dominican Republic's manager in the in this past WBC.

437
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Speaker 1: He's obviously someone who Peter Bennix is very, very familiar with.

438
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Speaker 1: Wouldn't be shocked if he at least interviews for the job.

439
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Speaker 1: I think he's very He's more of a players coach

440
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Speaker 1: type guy, which I think a lot of people would

441
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Speaker 1: like that. And he's in there with the analytics, so

442
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Speaker 1: so it would make a lot of sense, all right,

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Speaker 1: So let's move on. I think we recap the season.

444
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Speaker 1: We're kind of coming to the end of the pod.

445
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Speaker 1: So definitely not what anyone was expecting going into the year.

446
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Speaker 1: I mean, you had a pretty good pitching staff for

447
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Speaker 1: the most part with Jeses Lozardo Brox and Garrett Ryan

448
00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:15,920
Speaker 1: whethers aj Puck was in there at one point, uh,

449
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Speaker 1: and I believe I work Cabrera. That ended up turning

450
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Speaker 1: into a combination of Valente Baozo, Darren mccackin, Adam Aller

451
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Speaker 1: who else? Jeez? I mean it was a lot of

452
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Speaker 1: no offense, no name players that I really hadn't heard of.

453
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think at one point Roy was your number three.

455
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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, Sean Anderson was getting some.

456
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Speaker 1: Starts, Yeah, Sean Anderson. Ken Emanuel I think got a

457
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Speaker 1: start in there too.

458
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Speaker 3: So Rogers, who hasn't been on the team since late July,

459
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Speaker 3: led in the innings, pitched. And then after that your

460
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Speaker 3: workhorse was Edward Cabrera. That's your guy.

461
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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, Crotchick, talk to us a little b about

462
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Speaker 1: the man we went with decely high hopes. Honestly, I

463
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Speaker 1: think we all predicted over sixty five wins. I want

464
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Speaker 1: to say and we felt pretty good. Man Tim Anderson.

465
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Speaker 1: We thought he was gonna bounce back. He's gonna be

466
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Speaker 1: pretty good. We thought Nick Gordon was gonna be a

467
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Speaker 1: nice little acquisition. We thought Avi maybe potentially bounces back

468
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Speaker 1: a little bit. We thought six still would be We

469
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Speaker 1: thought six still would be back as a as a

470
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Speaker 1: pretty decent reliever. And uh, well we look now on

471
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Speaker 1: September on October first, and they're all gone. So uh

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Speaker 1: take us through the season.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, God, yeah, I could say so many things to

474
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Speaker 3: that list of guys that you just said, but I'm

475
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Speaker 3: gonna choose not to. I'll put it to you this way.

476
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Speaker 3: Let me, let me, let me pick a random player here.

477
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Speaker 3: Valente BeO was the fifth most valuable player on this team.

478
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Speaker 3: And look, I like Valente Beoo. He's a great guy.

479
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Speaker 3: He's also a solid pitcher. He's a solid pitcher. He

480
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Speaker 3: should not have been your fifth most valuable player because

481
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Speaker 3: of how much he played. It is a cumulative shat.

482
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Speaker 3: I would say the same thing with a let's see

483
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Speaker 3: who is that? Hey, Suso is your seventh most valuable

484
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Speaker 3: player again? Fantastic pitcher. Like kudos to Peter Bendix for

485
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Speaker 3: finding that guy. And kudos to Tonoko for performing higher

486
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Speaker 3: than our expectations. He's your seventh most valuable player this year.

487
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Speaker 3: That is that kind of tells you how much roster

488
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Speaker 3: turnover there was, how many injuries there were, how many

489
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Speaker 3: waiver claims they were they use? What was the final number?

490
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Speaker 3: Was it seventy one seventy two players this year? It

491
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Speaker 3: was a record.

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Speaker 1: I think it was like seventy one seven.

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Speaker 3: Dude, keeping up with the transaction list this year was

494
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Speaker 3: the biggest challenge of the season. It was harder than

495
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Speaker 3: like writing the actual stories, just keeping up with the

496
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Speaker 3: transaction every day. That's really what this whole season was about.

497
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Speaker 3: Like wherever Skip winds up next, I think what he's

498
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Speaker 3: gonna be most excited about. I don't want to speak

499
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Speaker 3: for Skip, but if I was Skipped, I would think

500
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Speaker 3: the thing I would be most excited about is just

501
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 3: knowing who your guys are every day. Like that seems

502
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Speaker 3: like it'll be so relaxing for them. But in all seriousness,

503
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Speaker 3: I do like what we saw on the second half

504
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Speaker 3: from some of the guys on offense. I really liked

505
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Speaker 3: what I saw in Connor Norby. I liked what I

506
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Speaker 3: what we saw from Xavier Edwards. I liked the flashes

507
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Speaker 3: of all offense that we saw from Otto Lopez. I

508
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Speaker 3: loved the defense that we saw from them. It's nice

509
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Speaker 3: that you can look at the guys in the second

510
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Speaker 3: half and pinpoint who should be on the opening day

511
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Speaker 3: roster last year, because if we're being honest, like when

512
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Speaker 3: the trade deadline was approaching and I heard of all

513
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 3: the players that were gonna get traded away, I was

514
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 3: thinking to myself, they're gonna be left with nobody. And

515
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Speaker 3: I have no idea who's gonna be on the opening

516
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Speaker 3: day or in the opening day lineup next year, because

517
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Speaker 3: we're about to get a whole bunch of nobody's on

518
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Speaker 3: this team, and I wound up being wrong. There's guys

519
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Speaker 3: that will play next year, and I think that they

520
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,679
Speaker 3: will play well next year. We'll just have to see

521
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Speaker 3: how well they played, how much of this year's production

522
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Speaker 3: carries over into next year.

523
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Speaker 1: And this is gonna be a pretty exctting spring training

524
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Speaker 1: just because of the amount of prospects that they brought in.

525
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Speaker 1: I mean, Davis and Delos Atos, Augustin Ramirez, Jared Cerna.

526
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Speaker 1: I don't think he'll crack the roster, but he'll definitely

527
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Speaker 1: make a case, I think, and there's gonna be guys

528
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Speaker 1: on there that that we're on this roster just now

529
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Speaker 1: that are gonna be fighting for a position like a

530
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Speaker 1: Griffin kna and could even mention a cal Stowers who

531
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Speaker 1: needs to fight for a position on there. So let's talk.

532
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Speaker 1: Let's go a couple players just to highlight. I mean,

533
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Speaker 1: I think the first one we need to mention is

534
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Speaker 1: Jake Berger. I believe he was just one shy of

535
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Speaker 1: that home of that thirtieth home run, but still, I mean,

536
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Speaker 1: he had ups and downs, but that second half of

537
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Speaker 1: the season certainly looked a lot more like the Jake

538
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Speaker 1: Berger we saw when he was traded over to Miami,

539
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Speaker 1: and he looked pretty freaking good. And he's gonna be

540
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Speaker 1: someone who's gonna be on this team at least for

541
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Speaker 1: a couple more years. We'll see what happens with the

542
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Speaker 1: I think it's the super two that Eli had been mentioning,

543
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Speaker 1: So we'll see what happens there. But Isaac, talk to

544
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:03,880
Speaker 1: us a little bit about Jake Berger, the quote unquote

545
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 1: veteran of this team, although he's been in major League

546
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Speaker 1: baseball for not very long.

547
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the clubhouse. Leader of this Marlins team, no doubt

548
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 2: about it. He was someone that took the Skip news

549
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 2: very difficult. If you haven't had a chance to read

550
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Speaker 2: the article from that night where Skip Spanish his final

551
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Speaker 2: game due to a death in the family. He is

552
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Speaker 2: someone that I've never heard a player speak so highly

553
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Speaker 2: of any individual, much less their manager in my three

554
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Speaker 2: years of doing this. Jake Berger one of the great

555
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Speaker 2: guys in that clubhouse. And You're right, Kevin that those

556
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Speaker 2: that couple months stretch where he was just trying to

557
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,159
Speaker 2: do way too much. He was really struggling, and I

558
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 2: was worried, like, oh shit, you know, how had they done?

559
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 2: But he came out mister consistent, hit two fifty again,

560
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Speaker 2: hit thirty home runs, twenty nine and he drove in

561
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Speaker 2: what was the seventy six runs I want to say, so, Yeah, overall,

562
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Speaker 2: another fantastic year for Jake Berger, and you can pretty

563
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Speaker 2: much count on him to be playing first base DH

564
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Speaker 2: for you next year. And I can't believe we're talking

565
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Speaker 2: about all this positivity and we know one has mentioned

566
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Speaker 2: Jonah Bride.

567
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 1: I was going to bring him up next.

568
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, my goodness, what a guy. What a find. By

569
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 2: Peter Bendix seventy one games played. The man does not

570
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 2: strike out, the man walks eleven percent of the time.

571
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 2: He had a WRC plus of one to twenty three

572
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 2: every single time he stept to the plate, which most

573
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 2: of the time it was hitting fourth or fifth, sometimes third.

574
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Speaker 2: Just what a pleasant surprise. Jonah Bride has been really

575
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,719
Speaker 2: humble individual who's really excited about which he thinks he's

576
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 2: earned a spot for next year, so he's really excited

577
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 2: about spring training with the Marlins in twenty twenty five.

578
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 2: I spoke with him a couple of times in Toronto

579
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Speaker 2: this last regular season series, and he has he has

580
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 2: really quickly become one of those clubhouse favorites as well,

581
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Speaker 2: and he's someone of the If he can get to

582
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,119
Speaker 2: double digit home runs all of a sudden, he's a

583
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Speaker 2: really valuable bat in my opinion. He can be someone

584
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Speaker 2: that hits fit six on a on a good team.

585
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:57,400
Speaker 2: And he I think the one thing we know he's

586
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Speaker 2: gonna have to work on is playing first base. He

587
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 2: mentioned that to me immediately, you know, I have to

588
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,120
Speaker 2: go home, learn how to play for his bass, learn

589
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 2: how to pick base balls. But you know, if he

590
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Speaker 2: can play adequate for his bass dh half the time.

591
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 2: I think the Miami's got a really solid, solid platoon

592
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 2: bad who can start three to four times a week

593
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 2: and be really awesome off the bench. So I think

594
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 2: he is one of the real big highlights of this

595
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 2: twenty twenty fourth season that severely lacked them.

596
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the interesting thing is just going to be

597
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Speaker 1: how did they hand well. I find it harder that

598
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Speaker 1: he's gonna continue that consistency. I mean, every player you know,

599
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,360
Speaker 1: at some point will fall off a little bit, and

600
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 1: the underlying numbers when they did acquire him certainly said

601
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 1: that he was getting a little bit unlucky. But I

602
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 1: think it could be a nice, you know, bench bat.

603
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 1: And because I honestly, I just think they're gonna value

604
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 1: some like a Davis and delas Antles a little more

605
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 1: than a Jonah Briddowner. They're gonna want to see more

606
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 1: of delas Antles and what he's done. We'll talk about

607
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 1: him in a bit, but we need to talk about

608
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 1: con Norby, who came in that Trevor Rodgers straight along

609
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 1: with Kyle Stowers, and you know, he can right out

610
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 1: of the scene and he looked great. I don't think

611
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 1: there's another way to put it, he ended the season

612
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: with a seven to sixty OPS plus one of four sorry,

613
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 1: one of four OPS plus a seven to sixty OPS.

614
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 1: He had nine home runs. I mean, he looked good.

615
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 1: There's no other way to put it. I know there's

616
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 1: still some strikeout concerns. The exit vials are a little

617
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 1: bit low. I mean, you could even make the case

618
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 1: he was a little bit lucky playing out. You know,

619
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Speaker 1: he was out performing the underlying metrics. Crutch It talk

620
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 1: a little bit about Connor Norby, and you know, how

621
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Speaker 1: excited are you to see him now in twenty twenty

622
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Speaker 1: five after getting this glimpse of him, You know, will

623
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Speaker 1: you stick at third? Do you think maybe going to

624
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: left field helps them out a little bit more. I mean,

625
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Speaker 1: there's different ways you could go about this with with

626
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Speaker 1: someone like Norby.

627
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Speaker 3: Yeah. The first thing was it was very refreshing to

628
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 3: see a highly coveted prospect for the Marlins, even though

629
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Speaker 3: he was only here for like two or three weeks

630
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 3: at the time, but highly coveted come up and immediately

631
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Speaker 3: perform well at the plate. That was huge. You can

632
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 3: also tell a lot by the way that a manager

633
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 3: speaks about him. Again, not to bring up Skips again.

634
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 3: But like the way that Skips spoke about him was

635
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 3: very glowing anytime he spoke about him. He goes about

636
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 3: the game the right way. He goes about his preparation

637
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 3: the right way. As for a third base, you know,

638
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 3: it wasn't good enough this year, but he he knows that,

639
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 3: and I think what's good is as opposed to say

640
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 3: Xavier Edwards, who straight up doesn't have the arm strength

641
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 3: for it and will need to work on that this offseason.

642
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 3: Connin Norby has the arm strengths. He doesn't have the

643
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 3: arm accuracy. I don't know which. I don't know which

644
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 3: one is easier to work on, but like he's got

645
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 3: it in him. But he fields his position very well,

646
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 3: just like Xavier Edwards. Like they they both field their

647
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 3: position very well. It's just he's got to work on

648
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 3: his throwing accuracy. And yeah, he could move back into

649
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 3: the outfield. But when was the last time the Marlins,

650
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 3: I mean they have they have Jake Berger, but I

651
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 3: would just love to see them have another third baseman,

652
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 3: full time third base that they could put there who

653
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 3: also hits well.

654
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean before Berger, it was Jean Sigura, and

655
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 2: they've had the Pratos they've had, and then way before that.

656
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 2: You know, you have a certain Hall of Famer. But

657
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 2: I'm with you Crutchig regarding which one is easy to solve.

658
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 2: I'm not sure, but I do know that Exavier Edwards

659
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 2: he is well aware of his throwing deficiencies and he's

660
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,479
Speaker 2: going to start a throwing program. Actually, you know, you

661
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 2: hear this about pictures, but the Marlins starting shortstop for

662
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 2: next year, Make no mistake about it. He's going to

663
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 2: be going through a throwing program during the offseason to

664
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 2: try and work on that arm strength, maybe some accuracy

665
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 2: as well. And I think the main thing he needs

666
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 2: to work on, I think we can all agree, is

667
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 2: just getting the ball out of his glove and throwing

668
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 2: the freaking baseball right away. He just does not not

669
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 2: a base runner speed at all. You know, you can

670
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 2: have Bobby Wood Junior running now for his base and

671
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 2: he's double clutching three times. It's not going to work.

672
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 2: And that's something that's fixable. I spoke with that with

673
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 2: Peter Bendix on Friday. I said that he just can't.

674
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 2: He doesn't get the rid of the ball. Yeah, I

675
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 2: think you're right, and that is something that is very fixable.

676
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 2: So I'm confident, I hope to be confident that this

677
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 2: team really can fix its defensive What was because, hey,

678
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 2: if you have two guys on the west side of

679
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 2: the nfield they cannot throw, and you have a guy

680
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 2: at first base who cannot pick, that is not a recipe.

681
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 3: For success exactly. And if Xavier Edwards fields his positions

682
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 3: so well that if he could just have average armstrings,

683
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 3: he's either elite or near elite at shortstop.

684
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: The other guy wanted to quickly know which I'm looking

685
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: at the second half stats, and Jesus Christ, he was

686
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 1: actually really good. As Nick Ford has who had an OPS,

687
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 1: he had a seven thirty seven OPS in the second

688
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 1: half of the season, he hit two ninety with a

689
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: three twenty six on base. It was it was impressive.

690
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm not gonna slot you. I mean, I honestly,

691
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: after that first half where he had a four to

692
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 1: sixty six OPS, you would think that, you know, it

693
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: wouldn't be much better in the second half. But Isaac,

694
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: what was working for this guy? And I think he's

695
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: kind of cemented himself as the opening day capture as well.

696
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, he just doesn't strike out. He doesn't strike out.

697
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 2: He the thing his issue last year was just popping

698
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 2: ball straight in the air, right, And I think that

699
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 2: that continued early on this season. But like you said,

700
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 2: that second half he was putting together better at bats.

701
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 2: He was he seemed to really improve defensively as well.

702
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 2: But the offense just I did not expect it like

703
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 2: he had. I want to get this stack correct because

704
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 2: the extra base hit difference, maybe you have it in

705
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 2: front of you, Kevin. Between the first half and the

706
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 2: second half, all of a sudden, he was starting to

707
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 2: hit for extra bases, hitting the ball a little bit

708
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 2: over the what he finished like three four home runs.

709
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 2: I think three of them must have happened.

710
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 1: He finished the year with four home runs in the

711
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: second half.

712
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, So this guy, it's an interesting one. I about

713
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 2: two months ago, month and a half ago, I had

714
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 2: heard that there's a very low likelihood that he would

715
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 2: be on the Marlins next year. This certainly, I think

716
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 2: has changed minds of a few people. I know. He

717
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 2: spoke with some people in the organization and they said

718
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 2: that they were really really impressed with this second half.

719
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 2: And obviously these people aren't stupid. You look at the

720
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 2: bigger picture. You look I needed all season long. At

721
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 2: the end of the day, it's slightly below average catching

722
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 2: and slight really below average offense. So unless they think

723
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:20,800
Speaker 2: that the second half is something that's sustainable, I wouldn't

724
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 2: move forward. But yeah, Nick Court says, I think with

725
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 2: this second half is you can see at four sixty

726
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 2: six ops in the first half, seven thirty seven ops

727
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 2: in the second half. So I think with that he's

728
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:35,359
Speaker 2: earned himself at least will be Miami backup next year.

729
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 2: We'll see if Peter Bendix as another one on the

730
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 2: starting catcher or someone behind Fortees, but it's safe to

731
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 2: say that Johnny Pareda and Ali Sanchez are not the answers.

732
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I wanted to get into really quickly

733
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 1: because obviously won't be back an offense to him. Just

734
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 1: didn't work out. Same thing tho with Ali Sanchez projick.

735
00:34:57,960 --> 00:34:59,919
Speaker 1: When you look at the backup position, there's some guys

736
00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:01,879
Speaker 1: in the minor leagues that definitely could take that over.

737
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: I mean, you have an Augustine Ramirez who was pretty

738
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 1: damn good in triple A, but defensively still a lot

739
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: to work, a lot to work on. Then you have

740
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: a wild Bandfield who's been there for a very long time.

741
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: Joe Mack was recently named Minor League Player of the Year.

742
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 1: Don't think he'll make the roster, but should be a

743
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 1: guy who gets this opportunity pretty soon. I think it's

744
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 1: too early to talk free agents. Do you just see

745
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 1: any of those internal guys potentially taking over that backup

746
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: spot and splitting the reps with the nick fourtes.

747
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 3: So I'll start by saying, I do think that the

748
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 3: Marlins will give Augustin Ramirez a chance to be a catcher.

749
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 3: Whether that's in the major leagues on opening day next

750
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,879
Speaker 3: year remains to be seen. I do think Ramirez will

751
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 3: come up, though, and be a catcher, at least for

752
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 3: a little bit. I don't know. I, like you said,

753
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 3: it's very early for free agency talks, so if I'm

754
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 3: being honest, I haven't even looked at the free agents

755
00:35:53,040 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 3: that are available this year. But but he has great offensively,

756
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 3: but defensively, it's like it's obvious, like it jumps off

757
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 3: the screen how poorly he's done at times behind the dish.

758
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 3: It's not even one of those things where it's small

759
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,280
Speaker 3: and you got to really look for like it's really

760
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 3: popped out at you. So unless we see a lot

761
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:20,359
Speaker 3: of improvement over the offseason through the spring, I think

762
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,399
Speaker 3: the Marvels would do best just for now to look

763
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 3: for a stop gap at the catcher position, whether it's

764
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 3: as a backup behind Nick Fortes until Ramirez is ready,

765
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 3: or even starting front of four test you can get

766
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 3: a better catcher.

767
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Marlins are very excited about these two guys

768
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:40,760
Speaker 2: in Mac and Ramirez. They there is concern internally with Ramirez.

769
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,720
Speaker 2: I've heard that now a couple of times from pretty

770
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 2: high up people, but there certainly is concerned they are

771
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 2: going to sign someone to be with Nick Fortes because

772
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 2: I was told that neither of those two, especially obviously Mac,

773
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 2: but Ramirez will not crack opening day crack spring training

774
00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 2: with the Marlins unfortunately, unless he really really shows out,

775
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 2: which I you know, I still don't think you would

776
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 2: make the team. But yeah, I think it would be

777
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 2: who of the Marlins to acquire someone if you just

778
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 2: really quickly glimpse at the free agent class catchers Eliza

779
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 2: the Is, Gary Sanchez, former Marlin, Austin Barnes, Young Goes,

780
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 2: Travis Darnaut, Danny Jansen, guys like that. Maybe an Andrewniser,

781
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 2: Austin Nola, another last year Edges defense specialists. There's a

782
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 2: few guys that they could bring in the minor league

783
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 2: deals and Nri. So I think that Miami will be

784
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 2: somewhat active when it comes to catchers because, like I said,

785
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 2: there's no Stallings, There's there's no one else besides Nick

786
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 2: Fortes right now, and those two guys that we mentioned,

787
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,439
Speaker 2: they're at least half a season away. I think they're

788
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,240
Speaker 2: at least two or three months away regular season time anyway,

789
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:44,720
Speaker 2: So I think.

790
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 3: Sorry, Gary Santez would be an interesting one because that's

791
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 3: a comparison I've heard from people outside of the organization

792
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 3: with with Rameirez.

793
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, me too.

794
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna give your flowers isaccasally Sanchez looked really

795
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 1: good in the second half of this season. I let

796
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 1: you talk all you want about him just now. He

797
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 1: had a seven forty five ops. Still struggling against left

798
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: handed hitting, But one thing that did resonate with me,

799
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 1: would skip noted many times, is that he really I mean,

800
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: at this point in his career, maybe just it isn't

801
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 1: for him the left handed hitting. Maybe at this point

802
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:18,320
Speaker 1: what his best for him is just to hit righty's

803
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 1: and he could be a solid guy doing that. I mean,

804
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: you see a joh Peterson, for example, who struggles against lefties.

805
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: He's really good against righties and he's made a career

806
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 1: out of that. He's made a decent amount of money

807
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: out of it, too. And Hazy Sanchez the second half

808
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 1: of the season was really freaking good. So if you

809
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:33,280
Speaker 1: the floor's yours.

810
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I've been saying it for a couple

811
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 2: of years now. He's probably the most offensive upside of

812
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 2: anyone in this organization. That's when jess Icisen was on

813
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 2: this team. That's with Berger on this team, I think

814
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 2: Hazu Sanchez has as much upside as anyone. I think

815
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 2: he's done hitting lefties. I cannot see them continuing to

816
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 2: put him in the lineup against solid, lieutendant pitchers. I

817
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 2: think I would put the over under it maybe twenty

818
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 2: five at bats next year that he gets against left

819
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 2: handed pitching, because it's just the moral for him. I

820
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:04,760
Speaker 2: think it also subconsciously affects his that bats against righty's.

821
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:06,360
Speaker 2: You know, he tries to do too much when he

822
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,800
Speaker 2: does get those opportunities against rity's. But just the difference

823
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:10,959
Speaker 2: he had a for eighty five ops against left headed pitching.

824
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,959
Speaker 2: He got on base at two twenty eight. It's just you,

825
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 2: you can't. You can't let him do that anymore. And

826
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 2: there's nothing wrong with that. That's something else I spoke

827
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 2: about with some people that if he's just going to

828
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 2: be an eight hundred ops guy against right headed pitchers only,

829
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 2: that's more than fine. He is in my opinion. I know,

830
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm not sure what the numbers say,

831
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 2: but he's an above average defensive right fielder. He's got

832
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 2: a cannon of an arm. Sometimes he makes a lot

833
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 2: of mental blunders. We've seen that on the basis. We've

834
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 2: seen it on the field, we've seen it at the plate. Sometimes.

835
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 2: There are a few stories that maybe we'll get into

836
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 2: in a future episode. Maybe tough five embarrassing moments of

837
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 2: the mark his career. But he's extremely special. He's a

838
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 2: really talented hitter. And I did ask Bend exist but

839
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 2: when he was with Tampa and when Sanchez was a

840
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 2: Tampa Bay prospect, how does that how did how does

841
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 2: he improved versus what he I thought he would be, Like,

842
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 2: oh my god, it's not even close. Like he did

843
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 2: not think that Sanchez would be this good, and I

844
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:06,760
Speaker 2: didn't either when he was a Marlins prospect in twenty nineteen.

845
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 2: It was a win win trade when Miami acquired him,

846
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 2: and just I can't say enough about this player. He's

847
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,840
Speaker 2: a really, really nice kid that hits four hundred and

848
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 2: eighty foot home runs. I think he is someone that

849
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,720
Speaker 2: if he's just faced his right handed pitching, Like you said, Kevin,

850
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 2: there is a lot of value in a John Peterson

851
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 2: type player. And you see the Marlins go in this

852
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,839
Speaker 2: Peter Bendix direction, Tampa Bay direction, I'm going to see

853
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 2: a lot of righty un lefty action. I'm not going

854
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 2: to see a lot of Sanchez facing left hender. I

855
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:36,879
Speaker 2: don't think we'll ever see him face left hander again

856
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:38,359
Speaker 2: because it's now.

857
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that obviously didn't work. He had some success,

858
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 1: but really just it wasn't good at all.

859
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 2: But no last night, no success. He was got awful.

860
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 2: He had a thirty five oh ps plus against left

861
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 2: handed pitching.

862
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 1: He wasn't great. He went overall for his career he

863
00:40:56,160 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 1: went oh god, seventeen for one fifteen against lefties. So

864
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: it wasn't great. But all right, last two names will

865
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 1: quickly run through, because I do think these are two

866
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,479
Speaker 1: guys who, at least I'll be following a decent amount

867
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 1: throughout the off seasons as well as spring training. Are

868
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 1: a Gryffin Conine and Kyle Stowers. These are two guys

869
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: who I think are falling in that same boat as

870
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 1: will they make the roster, because I think those are

871
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:19,760
Speaker 1: two guys who are kind of in a position battle

872
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:21,959
Speaker 1: right now. Griffin Conan came right out of the scene,

873
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: and honestly, I'm not gonna lie to you. I was

874
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: not expecting him to do what he did at all

875
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: at the major league level. I was expecting close to

876
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,399
Speaker 1: a forty percent strike out rate, was expecting a lot

877
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: of struggles. But uh, he proved me wrong. And I

878
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,240
Speaker 1: know arm Lane probably watching this. He proved us all wrong.

879
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: So Crutch, talk to us a little bit about Griffin Conine.

880
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 1: What you noticed. He has a cannon of an arm.

881
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:47,320
Speaker 1: He's a great athlete. Defensively, I think he could pretty

882
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 1: much work out at either corner spot, and he's a

883
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 1: guy who's really gonna make a push for a spot

884
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 1: on the twenty six man roster come twenty twenty five.

885
00:41:55,120 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, he you know, the strikeouts followed him,

886
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 3: but he made up for it because when he wasn't

887
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 3: striking out, like he was a very very good hitter,

888
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 3: Like he let me pull up the stats right here,

889
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 3: Like I wasn't expecting to hit three home runs in

890
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 3: thirty games. I didn't think that he would reach three,

891
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:14,919
Speaker 3: Like I didn't even think that he was gonna play

892
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:21,839
Speaker 3: the full thirty. He really impressed me a lot ops

893
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,800
Speaker 3: of seven seventy seven. I think that's above a slightly

894
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 3: above league average, if not just average, even with all

895
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 3: the strikeouts. Even with all the strikeouts he said he's

896
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 3: he was hitting two sixty eight. He looked really good.

897
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 3: And I'm not gonna lie to you guys, like I

898
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 3: don't watch the minor leagues as much as you guys.

899
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,720
Speaker 3: His arm. I didn't know that he had that arm.

900
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:45,439
Speaker 3: I didn't know that he had that arm. I didn't

901
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 3: know that he had I knew that he was good

902
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,320
Speaker 3: on defense, I didn't know he was that good on defense.

903
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 3: That itself is going to go a long way and

904
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:55,879
Speaker 3: making sure that he's on the opening day roster. I've

905
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 3: really liked what I've seen from him so far.

906
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:03,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then the other go ahead Isaac, we can

907
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 2: let September performances fool us. But this, like Kevin said,

908
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 2: like Frederick has said, I did not think. I thought

909
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 2: at first, I thought it was just a courtesy call up.

910
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 2: His name is mister Marlin, his father is mister Marlin.

911
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 2: I thought this was just a nice opportunity for him

912
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 2: to play course field, maybe connect on one. But he

913
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 2: has taken at bats away from Kyle Stowers. He has

914
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:29,359
Speaker 2: objectively been more impressive with every facet of the game

915
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:31,359
Speaker 2: than Kyle Stowers has. And I don't think that's something

916
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 2: that Marlin saw. He has certainly opened a lot of

917
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 2: Marlin's higher ups guy's eyes, and you absolutely nailed it.

918
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 2: He will certainly be in the running. It's something that

919
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 2: I can't believe. I'm saying that he's gonna be in

920
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,839
Speaker 2: the running for an opening day roster spot come twenty

921
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:46,439
Speaker 2: twenty five.

922
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 1: He is.

923
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 2: He's just not looking overmatched whatsoever. I mean, there are

924
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 2: times where he's facing a really up guy and to

925
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 2: out on top of that, he's getting hose on some

926
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:58,839
Speaker 2: calls by these umpires. It seems like with just him, specifically,

927
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 2: not just him, but him, he's gone hose a few

928
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 2: times now on strike.

929
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 1: You never forget the Paul Skins.

930
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 2: One Paul Skins needs any help. He's got some tough

931
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 2: calls against him. Maybe it's just rookie because he's a rookie.

932
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 2: Who knows. But Griffin Conine, he I think he finished

933
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:17,919
Speaker 2: with an eight hundred ops in his thirty Major league

934
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:18,879
Speaker 2: games or something like that.

935
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 3: It's seventy seven. Do you think his dad might have

936
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 3: said something bad to these umpires like twenty five years

937
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 3: ago and the umpire's revenge twenty five years Laterly, yeah,

938
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 3: your dad.

939
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: Said something to me. I'm gonna use it on you though, Yeah,

940
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 1: your dad was an asshole.

941
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 2: You strike three, you go back to the bench, kid.

942
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 1: But no, all.

943
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 2: Seriousness, it's really awesome to see this guy perform well

944
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 2: because I did not have high expectations and there's nothing

945
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 2: I love more than being wrong.

946
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 1: And then obviously the last guy to mention really quickly

947
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 1: is Kyle Sours, who is gonna be running for this

948
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 1: job at the end of the day. You would have

949
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 1: thought maybe he would be a lock, but I really

950
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 1: don't see it like that. And Crochet, I'll go to

951
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 1: you with this in first, because we spoke to him

952
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 1: towards the well. Actually, our last day at the ballpark,

953
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: we spoke to him. Just what you take away from

954
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: that conversation with Kyle seems like he really does want

955
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 1: to work on a lot of these stuff, and I

956
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,320
Speaker 1: felt like it was just a lot of a really

957
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 1: bad approach overall. But then there are moments where he

958
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 1: flashed the power. Where he flashed you know that he

959
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 1: could be a pretty decent player, and defensively, there's still

960
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: a lot to work on. In my opinion, he's got

961
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 1: the power.

962
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,760
Speaker 3: He's got he's he's near the top of the leaderboards

963
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 3: in hard hit percentage, barrel percentage, sweet spot chat speed,

964
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 3: all of that. I asked him straight up, you sometimes

965
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 3: look like one of the best players in the world.

966
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 3: The exact way I worked it was there's times where

967
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 3: you are on, and there's times where you are way off,

968
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 3: and what is missing for you when you're off, and

969
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 3: what's working for you when you're really really on? And

970
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 3: he said, I just had to swing at strikes like

971
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 3: he swings at these pitches that are outside of his own.

972
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 3: It's not a unique problem like lots of other guys

973
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 3: have this issue. He just it's easier to say than done.

974
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 3: But he's got to work on plate discipline. Here, hold on,

975
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 3: I just had the number in front of me. He

976
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 3: chases thirty two percent of the time. It's near the

977
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 3: bottom of the league. He withs thirty six percent of

978
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 3: the time. It's even closer to the bottom of the league.

979
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 3: And the whiffs are in part because of the fact

980
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 3: that he's chasing. He's got his own contact percentage in

981
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:19,320
Speaker 3: the seventies, which means that when he's swinging it stuff

982
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:25,319
Speaker 3: in the zone, he's he's making contact on them. And

983
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 3: then of course when he chases you. I have the

984
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 3: number right here, well, chase contact. The amount of contact

985
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 3: that he makes on pitches outside of his zone, it's

986
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 3: forty four percent. League average is fifty seven. So even

987
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 3: by the standards of chasing pitches, he's worse than other

988
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:43,839
Speaker 3: guys that chase pitches. And he knows that. He knows

989
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 3: that he just has to swing it strikes. It's a

990
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 3: It's an issue that I'm sure he'll work hard on

991
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 3: and during the offseason during the spring. But I really

992
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:54,839
Speaker 3: like his makeup. I really like his makeup. I know

993
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 3: that he's only one or two adjustments away from being

994
00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 3: a good hitter. I think we'll be fine. I think

995
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:03,839
Speaker 3: he just has to make those adjustments. The other thing,

996
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:08,839
Speaker 3: similar to Griffin Conine, I knew that Towers was good

997
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 3: on defense, I didn't realize he was that good on defense. Like,

998
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,720
Speaker 3: he's a really fast guy. He covers a lot of ground.

999
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 3: He's got a good arm. So that's another thing that's

1000
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:18,320
Speaker 3: gonna go well for him in the spread.

1001
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:22,840
Speaker 1: Alrighty, anyone else do you guys want to note before

1002
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 1: we wrap it up?

1003
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 2: Dope? Just keep in mind this is year one for

1004
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 2: Peter Bennix. He's still getting to know everything in this

1005
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 2: organization from top to bottom. He's not gonna have to

1006
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,919
Speaker 2: learn many people that were old because I'm hearing right

1007
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 2: now that everyone coaching staff, training staff, I get the

1008
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 2: exact quote. I got training staff, strength staff, travel people,

1009
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 2: clubhouse all major league staff have been No one's returning, So.

1010
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 3: Why would you get rid of the clubhouse staff. What

1011
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 3: are the metrics there that he's looking at.

1012
00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:59,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're not drinking water on time? I don't know.

1013
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 2: That's for another episode. We might have an emergency pod

1014
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 2: if I'm able to get something in the next twenty

1015
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 2: four hours, or tell me what we might come right

1016
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 2: back on this mic and record some more. But I'm

1017
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 2: hearing a complete clean house.

1018
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think with the amount of news that

1019
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:16,879
Speaker 1: we should be getting at least in the next month

1020
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 1: or so, we should be able to go back to

1021
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 1: a di weekly more or less schedule, so as well

1022
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 1: with obviously the emergency pods. So we'll wrapping up here.

1023
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 1: I think we did a lot of house cleaning, at

1024
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 1: least in terms of wrapping up the season talking about

1025
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:31,280
Speaker 1: Skip Peter, and that was episode sixty two of Fish

1026
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 1: on Filtered. So from Isaac Krotchick, myself and Eli behind

1027
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:37,919
Speaker 1: the scenes, we'll see you guys all hopefully in two weeks,

1028
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit before that, if what Isaac says

1029
00:48:40,160 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 1: is true and it's always go Fish