WEBVTT - An Extremely Q&A Episode 0:00:00.960 --> 0:00:03.760 On the beck Doll Cast, the questions asked if movies 0:00:03.840 --> 0:00:07.480 have women in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends 0:00:07.480 --> 0:00:11.639 and husbands, or do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef 0:00:11.800 --> 0:00:16.680 invest start changing it with the beck Del Cast. Hello, 0:00:16.800 --> 0:00:19.840 Becdel Cast listeners. Oh my god, I almost just like, 0:00:20.120 --> 0:00:22.200 for some reason, I was going to start singing that 0:00:22.360 --> 0:00:25.920 being the song. I was like, Okay, we've did our countdown. 0:00:25.920 --> 0:00:31.080 We're like one, two, three, four or five past. Oh wow, 0:00:31.240 --> 0:00:34.560 if we did that, that would be actually really fucked up. 0:00:34.960 --> 0:00:38.320 If we did that. Well, look, my voice, as you 0:00:38.400 --> 0:00:41.960 might be able to tell listeners, is it doesn't sound 0:00:42.080 --> 0:00:45.920 quite like myself. I'm a little sick at the moment. Sick. 0:00:45.960 --> 0:00:51.800 Oh sexy, what stop it? Sorry, you're gonna refort me 0:00:51.840 --> 0:00:56.280 to hrfort me to Jack O'Brien, I dare you? Um, 0:00:56.360 --> 0:00:58.400 what I'm saying is I don't know how that will 0:00:58.480 --> 0:01:05.000 affect my amazing, beautiful, perfect singing voice being sick. So 0:01:05.160 --> 0:01:08.680 it's true, So we better not. But what we are 0:01:08.720 --> 0:01:13.240 going to do today is answer some questions in a 0:01:13.319 --> 0:01:16.199 Q and I episode, which we've done in the past. 0:01:16.280 --> 0:01:18.759 It's kind of become a yearly tradition that we kick 0:01:18.800 --> 0:01:21.800 off the new year with a Q and I episode 0:01:22.600 --> 0:01:27.320 answering questions that our matrons have submitted. So thank you 0:01:27.360 --> 0:01:30.360 to all the matrons who submitted a question. Yeah, we're 0:01:30.360 --> 0:01:32.080 not going to have time to answer all of them 0:01:32.080 --> 0:01:35.680 because we're so popular and we've got so many questions. 0:01:36.240 --> 0:01:41.200 Sorry everybody, but but um we're gonna answer a few 0:01:41.240 --> 0:01:46.160 of them. And that's how we kick off. I love 0:01:46.160 --> 0:01:49.760 our Q and A episode. It's it's a time of traditions, 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:54.320 you know. We we released our Grace Freud episode on 0:01:54.360 --> 0:01:57.400 the Santa Clauses. Is that Grace at the show last 0:01:57.480 --> 0:01:59.400 night and we were really reflecting on how we are 0:01:59.400 --> 0:02:01.640 going to be doing a fifth one of those episodes. 0:02:01.720 --> 0:02:04.160 It kind of like I can't believe the bone chilling 0:02:04.160 --> 0:02:08.440 in a way. Um, but a lot of traditions, you know, 0:02:08.520 --> 0:02:11.160 kind of like really hit you in the marrow of 0:02:11.200 --> 0:02:15.079 your existence. Sure. Well, as we discussed on that episode, 0:02:15.160 --> 0:02:18.760 we're not quite certain if this is a tradition or 0:02:18.800 --> 0:02:22.160 a curse. So it's true. I mean, but I do 0:02:22.280 --> 0:02:25.679 love um being cursed by things. It makes me happy. 0:02:26.280 --> 0:02:29.640 It's reassuring at times, that's true. Yeah, it reminds you 0:02:29.720 --> 0:02:33.160 that you're alive. It when you think about it. Doesn't 0:02:33.160 --> 0:02:39.000 it though? Doesn't it though? I? Yeah, yeah, all right, um, okay, 0:02:39.000 --> 0:02:41.639 shall we get into it? I was like, I guess 0:02:41.680 --> 0:02:43.240 we don't really need to tell people what the Bachtel 0:02:43.280 --> 0:02:46.920 test is today, Like it's this week, honey, look it up. Yeah. 0:02:46.960 --> 0:02:49.880 Plus we are going to be passing it so much 0:02:49.960 --> 0:02:53.359 in this by answering these questions, can we start with 0:02:53.560 --> 0:02:55.720 just like, I just want to know. I'm like, I 0:02:55.760 --> 0:02:59.359 just want to tell you something. I was like, how 0:02:59.400 --> 0:03:01.000 can I make this a part of the show. I 0:03:01.000 --> 0:03:03.640 just wanted to tell you something. I saw a ska 0:03:03.680 --> 0:03:08.519 band last night, A ska band. I skanked. It was awesome. 0:03:09.639 --> 0:03:12.280 It was so cool, and it was feminism. And you 0:03:12.320 --> 0:03:15.720 know why why the vast majority of the horn section 0:03:15.880 --> 0:03:18.600 were women? Oh no kidding. We had a woman on 0:03:18.639 --> 0:03:20.320 the trump bone. We had a woman on the trumpet. 0:03:20.760 --> 0:03:26.400 It was very thrilling. I am now really like, you know, 0:03:26.520 --> 0:03:28.960 much like many things, I feel like Scott Scott is 0:03:29.040 --> 0:03:33.200 going to make a comeback. You can really quote me 0:03:33.240 --> 0:03:35.720 on that. I saw a cool ska band last night 0:03:35.840 --> 0:03:39.520 and and and people were like, are you gonna skank 0:03:39.640 --> 0:03:42.120 or what? And I was like, is that the verb 0:03:42.640 --> 0:03:46.080 to wait, what does to skank mean? Oh, we're having 0:03:46.120 --> 0:03:50.680 a moment um, it's uh skank. It's like the dance 0:03:51.440 --> 0:03:55.839 well now I sound it's like the dance that Scott do. Um. 0:03:56.240 --> 0:04:00.560 It's sort of just like really performative, low kicking um, 0:04:00.600 --> 0:04:01.960 but you can do. You do it in the kind 0:04:02.000 --> 0:04:04.200 of like a pit situation and it's just like a 0:04:04.200 --> 0:04:08.320 bunch of friendly kicking and you know, the time registers 0:04:08.360 --> 0:04:11.560 doing what it's doing. Okay, So like the Charlie Brown dance, 0:04:11.680 --> 0:04:15.040 isn't that how the Peanuts characters. I don't know the 0:04:15.080 --> 0:04:18.560 SKA community would feel about you saying that, Caitlin, but 0:04:19.040 --> 0:04:22.080 I'm sorry, I'm sure that's very reductive. But it's not 0:04:22.320 --> 0:04:25.799 unlike that. But it's more like intense. It's pretty fast, 0:04:26.120 --> 0:04:29.159 but it is just kind of like bad dancing. But 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:31.520 like when people are into it, you're like, maybe this 0:04:31.680 --> 0:04:34.039 is good. And I and I did that bit that 0:04:34.080 --> 0:04:36.800 I have with the egg where I eat the egg familiar, 0:04:37.600 --> 0:04:41.560 thank you so much. Listeners remain in the dark. Um. 0:04:42.240 --> 0:04:45.600 But the guy brought up bassist in the SKA band, 0:04:45.720 --> 0:04:49.279 so they're also allies to me doing the egg bit. 0:04:50.240 --> 0:04:53.320 Ska is feminist and I just wanted to let you 0:04:53.360 --> 0:04:56.000 know that. Okay, I'm glad to hear it, and then 0:04:56.279 --> 0:04:58.880 can I tell you something? Yeah, of course, I don't 0:04:58.880 --> 0:05:02.160 know if I'll follow through on this, but I think 0:05:02.160 --> 0:05:05.159 in the new year I want to take a burlesque 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:10.120 class and then get into burlesque. That's so, that's amazing. 0:05:10.160 --> 0:05:12.360 What if you did burlesque and I played the trombone, 0:05:13.600 --> 0:05:19.680 we could do Oh, I could play for you. That 0:05:19.720 --> 0:05:24.440 would be perfect. You could do rose do itpy cater burlesque, 0:05:24.560 --> 0:05:26.680 and then I would play my Heart Will go On 0:05:26.680 --> 0:05:32.680 on the trombone. Yes, that wouldn't be cursed. Wait, that's 0:05:32.680 --> 0:05:35.279 so amazing. Are there classes like locally? I guess I 0:05:35.279 --> 0:05:37.839 would imagine their I I think so, yeah, because I 0:05:37.839 --> 0:05:40.159 don't know what I'm doing. I don't know how to 0:05:40.200 --> 0:05:42.640 do burlesque, but it's an art for us, so I 0:05:42.720 --> 0:05:46.200 have to learn. And so if anyone has any tips 0:05:46.240 --> 0:05:49.400 on how to do burlesque or play the trombone, if 0:05:49.400 --> 0:05:52.960 anyone's trying to get rid of a trombone, um, I'm 0:05:52.960 --> 0:05:55.080 in the market for one. I feel like if I 0:05:55.120 --> 0:05:59.120 have of trombone like around, at some point, I'm gonna 0:05:59.240 --> 0:06:02.000 have to pick it up. You know like it's acquiring 0:06:02.000 --> 0:06:04.000 the traumbone is half the battle, and then finding a 0:06:04.000 --> 0:06:07.240 good traumba to you if you're a local l a trombonus. 0:06:07.279 --> 0:06:08.640 I don't know if I'll stick with this, but it 0:06:08.760 --> 0:06:13.039 was just so inspiring to um see so many women 0:06:13.040 --> 0:06:18.200 in the SKA band. Anyways, Okay, queues and as here 0:06:18.200 --> 0:06:22.520 we go, starting with a question from Alex. Hi. Alex asks, 0:06:23.200 --> 0:06:26.559 y'all sometimes talk about how watching movies for the show 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:31.279 changes your perspective on them. Along similar lines, has doing 0:06:31.360 --> 0:06:37.080 the show changed your perspective on films in general? If so, 0:06:37.640 --> 0:06:42.599 in what ways? Oh? I would say for me, the 0:06:42.880 --> 0:06:48.680 show has made me realize that so few movies are 0:06:48.760 --> 0:06:51.920 ones that I could ever vouch for in terms of 0:06:53.040 --> 0:06:55.600 does this hold up when looking at it through an 0:06:55.600 --> 0:07:01.679 intersectional feminist lens? Because I think the average nipple skill 0:07:01.760 --> 0:07:07.640 writing we give out is like one pull out of five. 0:07:07.839 --> 0:07:12.200 Maybe too, I would say, maybe too, because we've we've 0:07:12.240 --> 0:07:16.720 been covering like better movies as the show went on. Yeah, 0:07:16.800 --> 0:07:19.360 we used to be strictly, strictly a hater. This used 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:23.680 to be strictly a hater zone, but grew up. But 0:07:24.320 --> 0:07:29.320 I still love movies. I still I always have, I 0:07:29.360 --> 0:07:33.320 always will. I don't think anything's ever gonna change that. 0:07:33.440 --> 0:07:37.280 So even though nearly every movie ever made is a 0:07:37.280 --> 0:07:42.640 disaster at least when it comes to intersexual feminism, it's 0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:46.800 still a medium that I adore so and I don't 0:07:46.800 --> 0:07:49.880 know what that says about me, but I'm always going 0:07:49.920 --> 0:07:57.160 to love movies. Beautiful Yeah for me, I like it 0:07:57.200 --> 0:08:00.560 definitely has changed my perspective, but even like a life, 0:08:00.560 --> 0:08:03.640 like even throughout the course of the show, it has 0:08:03.920 --> 0:08:07.239 changed my perspective in like more nuanced ways as things 0:08:07.680 --> 0:08:11.080 went on, because as as fun as it always will 0:08:11.120 --> 0:08:14.560 be to be like, yeah, this is just like not good. 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:18.760 This is like a hateful use of media. But as 0:08:18.800 --> 0:08:21.080 time goes on, you know, and and we cover movies 0:08:21.160 --> 0:08:24.080 that have like more kind of shape, Like I guess, 0:08:24.200 --> 0:08:27.800 it's been interesting too. Now I feel like I approached 0:08:28.080 --> 0:08:30.560 like you, there's like different ways to approach the movie, 0:08:31.000 --> 0:08:33.080 and in some ways you can appreciate it more and 0:08:33.120 --> 0:08:35.440 in other ways, like it is not as fun of 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:37.480 a watch, like I guess, I used to watch movies 0:08:37.520 --> 0:08:40.000 on one setting, but now I have like an appreciation 0:08:40.120 --> 0:08:43.640 for being able to like watch movies on more than 0:08:43.679 --> 0:08:47.080 one setting, and and had that be okay, you know, 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:49.280 because it used to I feel like I used to 0:08:49.320 --> 0:08:52.760 be like movie good or movie bad, and it's like, well, 0:08:52.840 --> 0:08:55.040 there's a lot of different ways, and you know, everyone 0:08:55.200 --> 0:08:57.440 is their own person. Some movies are just like straight 0:08:57.520 --> 0:09:01.839 up sucking bad. But I've enjoyed kind of like training 0:09:01.880 --> 0:09:06.720 myself to like seek out context and like try to 0:09:06.880 --> 0:09:10.520 understand a little better if a movie is like challenging 0:09:10.520 --> 0:09:13.920 me and not just like clearly shitty or clearly amazing, 0:09:14.559 --> 0:09:16.640 to kind of like seek out more context and figure 0:09:16.679 --> 0:09:19.760 out like what time was this coming out in, Like 0:09:19.800 --> 0:09:22.480 where was the writer and the filmmaker coming from, and 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:25.040 like how does that kind of And I feel like 0:09:25.160 --> 0:09:28.360 on our show that's kind of like skewed us in 0:09:28.480 --> 0:09:31.000 both directions towards a movie where there's like some movies 0:09:31.000 --> 0:09:33.160 were giving the benefit of the doubt, and then we 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:35.079 learn more about it, we're like, oh no, we were 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:38.800 being too nice, never again, and then other times, um 0:09:38.840 --> 0:09:42.240 the opposite, we're like, Okay, clearly this like missed, but 0:09:42.480 --> 0:09:46.840 the attempt was at least somewhat sincere or whatever. And 0:09:46.880 --> 0:09:50.040 I think it's also changed the way that I write, 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:53.160 hopefully for the better. I think for the better. UM, 0:09:53.160 --> 0:09:56.400 and just like the way that I approach characters, and 0:09:57.200 --> 0:09:59.440 it's nice to kind of have the Bechdel track in 0:09:59.520 --> 0:10:03.480 your head to make sure that you're giving everyone the 0:10:03.559 --> 0:10:09.480 space they need in the story. That's my answer, Alex, Yes, M, 0:10:09.920 --> 0:10:16.880 thanks for asking it. Our next question comes from Catherine High. Catherine, UM, 0:10:16.920 --> 0:10:19.880 A lot of movies lately are experimenting with subverting tired 0:10:19.880 --> 0:10:22.720 old movie tropes. Are y'all noticing any of these recent 0:10:22.760 --> 0:10:26.800 tropes of versions that are becoming tropes of their own? Um? 0:10:26.880 --> 0:10:31.960 One comes to mind right away, which is like forced 0:10:32.080 --> 0:10:35.800 villain Redemption arc. Don't like it. Don't like I mean, 0:10:35.840 --> 0:10:37.839 I don't even know how that how much that has 0:10:37.880 --> 0:10:41.360 to do with feminism or intersectionality. I just don't like it. 0:10:41.440 --> 0:10:43.520 And I miss pushing the villain off of a cliff, 0:10:44.280 --> 0:10:47.600 which I know before, but actually it does connect to 0:10:47.960 --> 0:10:50.320 the episode that came out last week on the Santa Clauses, 0:10:50.679 --> 0:10:52.960 where I feel like it's become I think especially in 0:10:53.000 --> 0:10:56.360 Disney properties, but kind of across media in general, like 0:10:56.480 --> 0:11:00.880 it's become so normalized to be like I get started 0:11:00.880 --> 0:11:03.120 by coming from a sincere place. I'm trying to think of, 0:11:03.160 --> 0:11:05.600 like what big movie would have kicked this off, but 0:11:05.760 --> 0:11:10.520 like coming at a villain character with empathy, it might 0:11:10.520 --> 0:11:12.720 have been even like Wicked or something like that. Like 0:11:12.920 --> 0:11:16.400 coming at a classic villainous character with empathy and trying 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:18.280 to understand things from their point of view. I think 0:11:18.280 --> 0:11:21.840 that that is like a sincere thing at the beginning, 0:11:22.160 --> 0:11:24.800 but now it's just like I mean, in the Santa Clauses, 0:11:25.080 --> 0:11:28.079 for example, you just have like a guy who's straight 0:11:28.160 --> 0:11:30.960 up a bad guy. The cow Penn character is like 0:11:31.160 --> 0:11:34.280 a Jeff Bezos villain, but the movie, but the movie 0:11:34.280 --> 0:11:38.920 that whatever Avatar length miniseries is like doing fucking Olympic 0:11:39.000 --> 0:11:43.240 gymnastics to try to like redeem him, because that's just 0:11:43.320 --> 0:11:46.200 like what you do now. And I feel like it 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:50.160 can really like go the other way in a very 0:11:50.240 --> 0:11:52.800 uncomfortable way. I don't know, Like there's movies where it's 0:11:52.800 --> 0:11:55.440 super works, and then there's other movies where it just 0:11:55.480 --> 0:11:57.640 feels like, oh, this is what we do now. So 0:11:57.720 --> 0:12:01.480 I'm going to write a truly despicable horror character and 0:12:01.520 --> 0:12:04.160 then just have everyone forgive them at the end, even 0:12:04.200 --> 0:12:07.520 if they are like Jeff Bezos human rights abuse. Like 0:12:07.559 --> 0:12:10.800 You're like, but we don't need to forgive that guy. 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:13.920 We just don't. There are some people we need to 0:12:14.000 --> 0:12:16.600 forgive in movies, and I like that, but others not 0:12:16.640 --> 0:12:20.760 as much. Right, I have complicated feelings about it because 0:12:21.280 --> 0:12:26.440 I think that it's important that depending on the person 0:12:26.600 --> 0:12:31.240 and their crimes, redemption like their crimes is a huge thing, 0:12:31.320 --> 0:12:37.960 because it's like, you know, right, like the society would 0:12:37.960 --> 0:12:42.160 be a better place. You just reminded me of what 0:12:42.480 --> 0:12:55.680 Searchharonan saying women and little the My my cold is 0:12:55.720 --> 0:13:01.080 affecting my cognitive functioning. But what I'm trying to say 0:13:01.240 --> 0:13:06.679 is redemption is possible for some people, and I, like, 0:13:06.800 --> 0:13:08.679 I don't know, I want to like create space for 0:13:09.440 --> 0:13:12.360 people who, you know, if they if they do what 0:13:12.440 --> 0:13:15.320 they need to do to redeem themselves and their and 0:13:15.360 --> 0:13:20.280 their crimes aren't so heinous that they could possibly deserve redemption. 0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:23.800 Like that's a message that I think should be put 0:13:23.840 --> 0:13:28.920 out into aforementioned society, especially in kids media, because there's 0:13:28.960 --> 0:13:33.800 so many like tropes that villainized marginalized people in a 0:13:33.840 --> 0:13:38.640 way that is like absolutely fucked up and needs to 0:13:38.679 --> 0:13:41.640 be re examined. I think it's just like that as 0:13:41.679 --> 0:13:45.920 a trope that also applies to like people who are 0:13:46.320 --> 0:13:51.040 fucking capitalism ng the hell out, Like you're just like, yeah, 0:13:51.120 --> 0:13:53.000 I struggle with it. Yeah, for sure, it's also kind 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:58.560 of boring. Another trope I've noticed is movies and TV 0:13:58.679 --> 0:14:01.600 and media in general. Um, I mean, we have noticed 0:14:01.960 --> 0:14:08.280 more diverse casts in terms of race, gender, sexuality, and 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:13.200 things like that, but because so much media is still 0:14:13.320 --> 0:14:19.520 made by rich, powerful white men, it's clear that this 0:14:19.600 --> 0:14:25.400 inclusion only is happening because these guys are tired of 0:14:25.760 --> 0:14:31.040 people challenging them. So there's there is like more diversity, 0:14:31.080 --> 0:14:35.160 but a lot of it isn't good or meaningful, or 0:14:36.080 --> 0:14:41.560 it's clear that they didn't consult anyone about these characters. Oftentimes, 0:14:41.560 --> 0:14:47.640 these characters are very flat, underdeveloped people who behave in 0:14:47.680 --> 0:14:50.600 ways that make no sense, and they are just there 0:14:50.640 --> 0:14:54.200 to like fill a quota more or less. Yeah, which 0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:58.400 is like like I like, arguably worse. Like I mean, yeah, 0:14:58.440 --> 0:15:01.760 I don't know, like the yardstick they're really but like 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:07.000 it's that's diabolical to do like higher talented people and 0:15:07.000 --> 0:15:08.920 then be like, but I'm just doing this so people 0:15:09.000 --> 0:15:13.560 leave me alone. It's like a fucking character do your job, man, 0:15:13.960 --> 0:15:18.480 for sure. So yeah, I also find that frustrating. I 0:15:18.560 --> 0:15:22.520 think we may be uh the gender swapped reboot maybe 0:15:22.520 --> 0:15:25.280 on its on its dying legs. I think we may 0:15:25.480 --> 0:15:28.160 really well and truly be done with it. Yes, what 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:31.320 I hope happens. In addition to like what we always 0:15:31.320 --> 0:15:35.040 talk about with more movies, and I think in the 0:15:35.040 --> 0:15:37.440 time this show, like you're just saying the time the 0:15:37.440 --> 0:15:41.560 show's existed, there's been an increase in diverse storytelling and 0:15:42.280 --> 0:15:45.280 it's been getting better. But I also hope that it's 0:15:45.320 --> 0:15:49.320 like that makes way for more original storytelling to it 0:15:49.360 --> 0:15:52.440 feels like it's kind of on the upswing. We got 0:15:52.520 --> 0:15:57.080 her everything everywhere all at once, like we're chilling. It's good, 0:15:57.440 --> 0:16:00.840 but like, I hope that that kind of keeps moving. Also, unrelated, 0:16:00.880 --> 0:16:05.040 hope that, um that short movies come back. If short 0:16:06.280 --> 0:16:09.080 that would say that is a trope that every movie 0:16:09.200 --> 0:16:12.440 is three hours long now and I will allow it 0:16:13.040 --> 0:16:16.160 when it's r R R, which I'll talk about later, 0:16:16.600 --> 0:16:21.800 but why is every other movie so long? It's complicated 0:16:22.000 --> 0:16:25.080 stopping even when movies I like are long, I'm like, 0:16:25.760 --> 0:16:30.280 come on, um, Yeah, I hope that the eight seven 0:16:30.360 --> 0:16:34.960 minute movie makes come back. Wouldn't that be cool? And 0:16:35.040 --> 0:16:37.960 then then you could go to double features without like 0:16:38.560 --> 0:16:43.400 your fucking organs rupturing. It would be cool. Um without 0:16:43.440 --> 0:16:48.280 your intestines exploding. Call back to while you were sleeping, Oh, 0:16:50.360 --> 0:16:55.000 Matreon head over, Yanna, listen to Sandra Boogs Boss talking 0:16:55.000 --> 0:16:58.160 about his mother's organs exploding when she met his wife 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:03.600 was an amazing time for writing. Um. Yeah, I think 0:17:03.640 --> 0:17:06.000 that I'm trying to think of other I think those 0:17:06.040 --> 0:17:08.159 are maybe we'll think of more later. I know that 0:17:08.240 --> 0:17:10.959 there's a bunch that are kind of prevalent right now. 0:17:11.600 --> 0:17:13.560 I think it's like a lot of them boiled down 0:17:13.640 --> 0:17:19.600 to people attempting more inclusion and diversity in storytelling and 0:17:20.800 --> 0:17:27.639 not getting it quite right because they are like coming 0:17:27.680 --> 0:17:33.280 from places of extreme privilege and aren't bothering to consult 0:17:33.640 --> 0:17:36.720 or like hand the reins to someone else who can 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:44.040 tell those stories more meaningfully. So agree anyway, Um, let's 0:17:44.119 --> 0:17:47.159 take a quick break and then come back for some 0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:59.960 more questions and we're back. Next question comes from Jacqueline 0:18:00.720 --> 0:18:05.040 asks do you feel like the era of Prestige TV 0:18:05.440 --> 0:18:09.439 slash limited anthology series does a better job of representing 0:18:09.480 --> 0:18:12.680 women and diverse voices on camera and do you have 0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:15.920 theories as to why or why not? For example, I 0:18:16.040 --> 0:18:20.000 think that the way streamers produce TV shows allow diverse 0:18:20.080 --> 0:18:23.440 creators to make their art, and having longer character arts 0:18:23.520 --> 0:18:26.400 in general seems to let women have more depth. These 0:18:26.480 --> 0:18:31.720 points both have their negative counterpoint um and Yeah, I 0:18:31.800 --> 0:18:36.920 think you're already touching on a lot of why this is. 0:18:37.119 --> 0:18:42.119 And I I don't watch a ton of TV. I'm 0:18:42.200 --> 0:18:46.320 definitely more of a movie person. But the nature of 0:18:46.440 --> 0:18:52.159 TV just generally does allow for more in depth character development. However, 0:18:52.440 --> 0:18:56.879 TV is still full of regressive tropes, maybe not as 0:18:56.920 --> 0:19:02.760 many today. I do think that a lot of media 0:19:02.920 --> 0:19:07.639 again is like trying to avoid that stuff, um, for 0:19:07.760 --> 0:19:11.080 better or worse. And I also think that because TV 0:19:11.600 --> 0:19:15.879 is ongoing, usually with multiple seasons, it gives creators and 0:19:15.960 --> 0:19:19.920 writers a chance to course correct as the series goes 0:19:20.000 --> 0:19:26.320 on m based on responses from fans usually, but it 0:19:26.440 --> 0:19:29.720 always comes down to who is behind the camera, who's 0:19:29.720 --> 0:19:34.520 in the writer's room, who's making these creative choices about characters. Yeah, 0:19:34.600 --> 0:19:36.359 I have like a lot. I don't. I have a 0:19:36.400 --> 0:19:39.240 lot of opinions on TV. I love TV. I've worked 0:19:39.280 --> 0:19:46.439 in TV for five years now, brag Binkie, but mostly 0:19:46.480 --> 0:19:50.800 in animation, but I feel like there's I agree with Jacqueline, 0:19:51.240 --> 0:19:55.880 there is more, I think more diversity in general. Then 0:19:55.960 --> 0:19:58.720 TV is also so fraud Like I think that there's 0:19:58.760 --> 0:20:03.240 a lot of amazing shows that are uh from women 0:20:03.280 --> 0:20:05.480 and people call her and queer people. There's there's simply 0:20:05.560 --> 0:20:08.320 just more of them than there are in movies. But 0:20:08.480 --> 0:20:11.520 because of how streaming works, it's so fraught, and I 0:20:11.600 --> 0:20:15.520 feel like sometimes things just go away and it feels 0:20:15.560 --> 0:20:18.120 like sometimes it's like, Okay, we'll give you one season, 0:20:18.240 --> 0:20:21.960 and like the same problems kind of exist where you know, 0:20:22.200 --> 0:20:27.400 like a show by you know, a notable white man, 0:20:27.640 --> 0:20:30.800 even if it kind of sucks for one season, they'll 0:20:30.800 --> 0:20:32.879 get a second season to find their voice and do 0:20:32.920 --> 0:20:36.000 all this stuff and blah blah blah. Where like in movies, 0:20:36.080 --> 0:20:38.800 and we talked about this a lot with with marginalised 0:20:38.880 --> 0:20:42.200 directors of like if you have one movie that doesn't 0:20:42.240 --> 0:20:45.200 do great financially or critically, you could be kind of done, 0:20:45.480 --> 0:20:49.760 and like that also bears out in TV quite a bit. 0:20:50.200 --> 0:20:52.480 But I do feel like there's a lot to be 0:20:52.560 --> 0:20:56.280 excited about, like you know, absolutely Broken Record being like 0:20:56.920 --> 0:21:00.400 Abbot elementary, but like for real abbot elementary, like it's 0:21:00.560 --> 0:21:04.080 the fucking cool Like, it's the funniest show on TV. Um, 0:21:04.400 --> 0:21:07.400 there's so many good shows at right now, but Okay, 0:21:07.400 --> 0:21:09.040 a show that sticks out to me is like The 0:21:09.119 --> 0:21:11.720 Gordita Chronicles, which was a really cute shell It was 0:21:11.800 --> 0:21:14.560 really good. It was on HBO Max. It is a 0:21:14.760 --> 0:21:19.199 Latin focused show and it's from Latin creators, but they 0:21:19.240 --> 0:21:22.480 were only given one season and not only was the 0:21:22.480 --> 0:21:25.840 show canceled, it's being pulled from HBO Max because of 0:21:26.000 --> 0:21:28.879 all this evil corporate ship that's going on right now. 0:21:29.440 --> 0:21:32.760 That makes it really really hard for because of how 0:21:32.880 --> 0:21:35.359 streaming works, like, it makes it so hard for like, 0:21:36.119 --> 0:21:39.320 even though there's more opportunities I think technically on paper 0:21:39.640 --> 0:21:44.000 in TV for um for marginalized creators than in movies, 0:21:44.640 --> 0:21:49.920 it's way easier to like short change and disappear that 0:21:50.280 --> 0:21:54.800 same media. Like why isn't Rutherford Falls getting a third 0:21:54.880 --> 0:21:59.280 fucking season? Are you joking? Like it's ridiculous and it 0:22:00.119 --> 0:22:04.879 makes me um piste off obviously, but there is so 0:22:05.160 --> 0:22:08.840 much to love about what's on TV right now, and 0:22:09.440 --> 0:22:12.240 I really I don't know and that, but but there's 0:22:12.280 --> 0:22:16.040 like sorry, I'm like, she's still going. There's also tropes 0:22:16.160 --> 0:22:20.040 within like Prestige TV right now, that's kind of exhausting 0:22:20.240 --> 0:22:22.919 to where it's like, you know, I know that a lot. 0:22:23.000 --> 0:22:26.360 I mean I watched some of them. I'm Succession fan 0:22:26.960 --> 0:22:29.480 number one. I've got my Waistar Roy co hat in 0:22:29.520 --> 0:22:32.360 the other room, don't you forget it. I had hot 0:22:32.440 --> 0:22:34.639 coffee this morning out of my we here for you 0:22:34.800 --> 0:22:39.879 mug um. Yeah. Like I but there are so many 0:22:40.080 --> 0:22:44.600 shows right now about rich people being bad and then 0:22:44.680 --> 0:22:47.840 but then the the underlying message is like capitalism bad. 0:22:48.000 --> 0:22:50.720 But isn't it kind of sick to watch? And like 0:22:51.400 --> 0:22:53.720 I think that's I don't know if that started with Succession, 0:22:53.800 --> 0:22:56.000 but like Succession is so fucking good that I feel 0:22:56.040 --> 0:22:59.560 like that is a huge trend right now. That kind 0:22:59.600 --> 0:23:02.439 of I feel like it's like, well, it's technically anti 0:23:02.520 --> 0:23:06.399 capitalist because we're making fun of rich people, so we 0:23:06.440 --> 0:23:08.280 should be able to just do this and then we 0:23:08.359 --> 0:23:11.960 could still have all white, rich traditionally hot casts and 0:23:12.040 --> 0:23:15.159 it's like, well you can do that, and sometimes I 0:23:15.200 --> 0:23:20.320 will watch it, but like you know, clocked, I see it. Um, 0:23:21.600 --> 0:23:25.240 So yeah, I think that that is. I think people 0:23:25.280 --> 0:23:28.440 should watch what we do in the Shadows and p 0:23:28.680 --> 0:23:34.320 Valley and succession, and that's what I have to say 0:23:34.400 --> 0:23:40.040 about it. Also stopped making really boring true crime adaptations. 0:23:41.000 --> 0:23:45.600 Enough enough, I should have played Elizabeth Holmes. Okay, yeah, 0:23:45.960 --> 0:23:50.359 I agree, and that's my problem. All right, UM, Sorry 0:23:50.400 --> 0:23:54.119 that was I hope that answered the question. UM. Also animation, 0:23:54.760 --> 0:23:57.399 look at look at how animation is unionized. And when 0:23:57.440 --> 0:24:00.160 I say that, I mean it's not unionized. A fun 0:24:00.240 --> 0:24:02.879 fact about animation writers, they are not allowed in the 0:24:03.080 --> 0:24:06.679 w g A. Why we durable not that they're not allowed, 0:24:06.760 --> 0:24:09.440 but like very few animated shows are. I've been working 0:24:09.480 --> 0:24:10.960 in TV for five years and I'm not in the 0:24:11.080 --> 0:24:14.480 w g A because I work at animation ridiculous. So 0:24:14.800 --> 0:24:18.600 there's a lot of like evil shit afoot, and it's 0:24:18.720 --> 0:24:22.560 it's good to know about. Um if you're a media consumer, 0:24:22.760 --> 0:24:25.760 it's depressing to know about. But it's interesting in a way, 0:24:26.119 --> 0:24:29.080 especially if it doesn't affect your health insurance. So let's 0:24:29.080 --> 0:24:32.040 take another question. This one is from Deirdre, but we 0:24:32.119 --> 0:24:36.760 got similar questions from several different matrons. Are there any 0:24:36.800 --> 0:24:39.679 movies that you absolutely will not cover even if they 0:24:39.720 --> 0:24:42.760 are requested by listeners, whether it's because they are so bad, 0:24:43.080 --> 0:24:46.400 treat marginalized people, so poorly or wouldn't lead to much discussion. 0:24:46.440 --> 0:24:48.359 I want to know which titles are in the Bechtel 0:24:48.440 --> 0:24:53.399 cast trash bin Oh. I was thinking about this, and 0:24:54.240 --> 0:24:57.720 I don't know if there's any movie that is completely 0:24:57.800 --> 0:25:03.879 off limits to me. There are some that I think, wait, well, okay, 0:25:03.960 --> 0:25:06.880 so I will maybe protest and be like, I don't 0:25:06.920 --> 0:25:10.600 want to cover Hereditary But I said the same thing. 0:25:11.520 --> 0:25:13.720 But I said the same thing about Midsummer and we 0:25:13.920 --> 0:25:17.320 covered that on the Matreon. Yeah, I've definitely covered movies 0:25:17.400 --> 0:25:19.280 I wasn't stoked about, but like, I feel like that 0:25:19.400 --> 0:25:23.040 usually makes for a pretty interesting episode. It's true. Um, yeah, 0:25:23.040 --> 0:25:25.520 I mean there are definitely movies that I am not 0:25:26.080 --> 0:25:29.800