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Speaker 1: This is our life, this is our passion. That's the

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Speaker 1: spirit we bring to this show.

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Speaker 2: I'm Luke Thomas, I'm Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 1: This this Morning Combat. It is August first. Can you

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Speaker 1: believe it? We're in the eighth month of the year

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Speaker 1: of twenty twenty two and it is time, ladies and gentlemen,

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Speaker 1: for Morning Combat. Hello everyone, I am merely one half

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Speaker 1: of your hosting duo, and no, Brian Campbell didn't get

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Speaker 1: a tremendous tan on vacation. He is out today where

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Speaker 1: we are joined by the man himself, the UFC Hall

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Speaker 1: of Famer, my friend in yours, the former UFC Light

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Speaker 1: Heavyweight champion as well. It's Rashad Evans. What's up for

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Speaker 1: shod How are you man?

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Speaker 2: What's going on, Luke Man? It's good to be here,

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Speaker 2: Good to see you as well.

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Speaker 1: You're in sunny South Florida. Yes, yes, sir, how is

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Speaker 1: Florida this time of year? So you were telling me

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Speaker 1: it's unbearably hot? Is that right? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I mean you go outside and your sweating swamp balls

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Speaker 2: right away.

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Speaker 3: It's a kind of you don't even bother taking a

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Speaker 3: shower because you know you're gonna be sweating in five minutes,

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Speaker 3: so you just kind of just just roll with it.

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Speaker 1: How far away do you live from your gym?

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Speaker 2: About thirty thirty five.

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Speaker 1: Minutes, so enough for the ac to finally get cool

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Speaker 1: by the time you get there, Just enough to get

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Speaker 1: right back into this weatiness.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just enough.

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Speaker 3: But the worst part about it is after you get

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Speaker 3: nothing working out, it's impossible to stop sweating because even

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Speaker 3: your body just keeps on sweating. So, I mean, there

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Speaker 3: is it's almost no point of taking a shower after training,

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Speaker 3: but you do got to get the funk off you.

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Speaker 1: All right. So last question about this, what is the

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Speaker 1: best month to live in South Florida in terms of

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Speaker 1: like being able to go outside just just the right weather.

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Speaker 1: What's the right weather month of Florida.

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Speaker 2: I would say November through February.

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Speaker 1: Oh, it's a decent little stretch. It's a decent little stretch.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's perfect.

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Speaker 3: I mean when you're able to go to the beach

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Speaker 3: and on Christmas is kind of brings a different kind

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Speaker 1: Are now you grew up in upstate New York. Do

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Speaker 1: you ever miss the snowy Christmases?

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Speaker 3: I do, because, like I said, you don't get that

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Speaker 1: Fair enough, Well, we won't miss all the cues here today.

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Speaker 1: We have UFC two seventy seven to get to. We

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Speaker 1: they ever sent you, Rashad, any merch from this?

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Speaker 2: I got, I got one shirt. I got one shirt,

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Speaker 1: let's do it here. We start with topic number one.

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Speaker 1: If we can UFC two seventy seven a man in

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Speaker 1: and what can only be described as an utterly dominant performance.

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Speaker 1: Although she was pretty marked up by the end of

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Speaker 1: But you tell me from your perspective, how did Amanda

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Speaker 1: Nunez win this fight? What were the keys for her?

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Speaker 3: I feel like she's done the mental work, the mental preparation.

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Speaker 3: When I lost to Machidah, the hardest fight for me

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Speaker 3: and bringing me along even on fight day, just making

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Speaker 3: sure I was mentally locked in, because it's scary when

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Speaker 3: you got to go back out there and compete in

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's what she had to overcome mentally speak,

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Speaker 2: It was anxiety, It was definitely fear.

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Speaker 3: You always have both of those going into the fight,

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Speaker 2: Where you're just like, oh my gosh, this this happened again.

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Speaker 3: I felt like this last time, and then you start

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Speaker 2: Telling me to feel like I was ready for I'm nervous.

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Speaker 3: So it was it was those kind of cues, along

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Speaker 1: All right, fair enough, And to that point, like, actually

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Speaker 1: I will say that I thought she did get away

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Speaker 1: She looked like she was in good shape, right, she

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Speaker 1: looked like she was mentally all there. Do you share

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she was all there.

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Speaker 3: She was tracking and she didn't lose focus at any

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Speaker 3: hit each other, she didn't do that. You know, she

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Speaker 3: And even there was times where it looked like she

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Speaker 2: Then she'll go with some grappling technique.

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Speaker 3: What was good because before last time she got caught

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Speaker 3: I noticed in that fight, Penya has some power. So

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Speaker 3: that's what got her in trouble last time, not being

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Speaker 2: But I mean a man in Nunas for me, when

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Speaker 3: To come out there and start executing with that lead hook,

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Speaker 2: And capitalize on that right hook.

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Speaker 3: I think it was just, you know, a foregone conclusion

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Speaker 1: So help us understand why did that lead hook work? Now,

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Speaker 1: that's she was switching stances, so that's actually her normal

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Speaker 1: power hand and she was catching Penya. I mean, Penya

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Speaker 3: Well, because you know the way the way Panya comes in.

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Speaker 3: When she comes in, she almost she almost reaches first,

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Speaker 3: and she doesn't really keep her hand up. She doesn't

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Speaker 2: Caught with a punch.

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Speaker 3: So whenever Penya closed the distance, she knew that she

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Speaker 3: Paya's momentum is going to continue to take her forward

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Speaker 3: So it kind of served two purposes, but the power

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Speaker 3: left hand, it really caused the problems. It seemed like somewhere,

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Speaker 3: I think in the fourth round, Paya started having a

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Speaker 3: that was primly primarily because she started reaching out. She

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Speaker 2: To kind of take the activity off it. But she

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Speaker 1: No, she certainly didn't, and obviously she got taken down

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Speaker 1: there a bunch. I don't have the stats here in

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, she did one hundred percent. You know.

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Speaker 3: You know, they kept telling to close the distance, closed

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Speaker 1: Yeah. The thing is like did a man of nonas

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Speaker 1: She was never working on Painia's terms in that way.

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Speaker 1: And so if you can work on your terms, you

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Speaker 1: know this with Shad, it's just a lot easier to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she did.

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Speaker 3: And it seemed like, you know, she was gaining confidence

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Speaker 3: that high five. Because the more the friendlier she got

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Speaker 3: gotten full comfort mode, she started smiling, she started having fun.

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Speaker 2: It was a wrap.

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Speaker 3: If you want to beat a man in unas, you

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Speaker 3: got to keep her in frustration mode. You got to

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Speaker 3: keep her second guests, mselff, you got to keep her

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Speaker 2: You got to keep her mad. You don't be high

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Speaker 1: That's a great point. I really hadn't thought of that,

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Speaker 1: about that. That's kind of interesting. That's that's that's good.

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Speaker 1: That's a good insight. Well, let me ask you this.

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Speaker 1: Were you a touch glove I can't remember anymore? Were

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Speaker 2: No, I wasn't a touch glove. I wasn't a big

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Speaker 3: And I stopped being a touch gloves guy after I

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Speaker 3: we fight tomorrow, no tapping, no touching gloves. And it

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Speaker 3: It wasn't a competition, and where it just took it

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Speaker 3: So after that, I'm like, if I feel that way

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Speaker 2: So I'm gonna take that security away from him.

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Speaker 3: We're not friends. I'm not gonna let you feel comfortable.

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Speaker 3: This isn't a spar match, This isn't gonna be.

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Speaker 1: Fun, okay. Is it fair to say, though, that like

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Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent.

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Speaker 3: I mean I don't think anything is one hundred percent anyway,

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Speaker 3: I think everybody's different and what motivates him to fight

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Speaker 2: So for me, in order to fight, I had to

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Speaker 1: All right, that fourth round arm bar, that was probably

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Speaker 3: I thought it was a lot closer and more like

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Speaker 2: Know, maybe that was good that that happened to to

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Speaker 3: that's gonna be able to kind of shake things up

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Speaker 3: a little bit more uncomfortable and less likely to be

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Speaker 1: Fair enough. You know, it's kind of funny. I had

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Speaker 1: She had two judo trips. I think she went for

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Speaker 1: The thing for me shot sorry about that. The thing

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Speaker 1: a guy like Habib was floating around like forty eight

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Speaker 1: percent or so. But I will say, if you see

438
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Speaker 1: a fighter like on a main card, especially in a

439
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Speaker 1: title fight, and they have a sub thirty percent, you know,

440
00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:34,960
Speaker 1: a takedown accuracy rate that's low, That is low, that's

441
00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:36,560
Speaker 1: not that great. Or excuse me what am I saying?

442
00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:40,600
Speaker 1: Takedown defense? Excuse me? Takedown defense? Her takedown defense was

443
00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:43,520
Speaker 1: twenty three percent. That's low. That means like three of

444
00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:47,680
Speaker 1: every four attempts that you try to stuff don't work right.

445
00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:49,840
Speaker 1: And so Amanda Nunez was able to get there, get

446
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Speaker 1: on top. And that's the thing. It's like, does Painia

447
00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:54,720
Speaker 1: have a good guard, Yes, she does, she has a

448
00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:57,919
Speaker 1: good guard, but getting that you know this submitting a

449
00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:01,760
Speaker 1: black belt from your back with your guard, that doesn't

450
00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:05,600
Speaker 1: happen against black belts all that often unless you hurt

451
00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:10,119
Speaker 1: them like Anthony Pettis drilling that bodykick to Benson Henderson

452
00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:12,840
Speaker 1: and then getting the arm bar after it. Right, So

453
00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:16,120
Speaker 1: hunting off your back is just a low percentage way

454
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Speaker 1: to do it unless you can really put some steam

455
00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:19,840
Speaker 1: on them first with some strikes.

456
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Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent.

457
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's kind of you know, like it's kind of

458
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Speaker 3: a default position once you can't really keep the fight

459
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Speaker 3: where you want to keep it. And you know, I

460
00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:32,720
Speaker 3: feel as also that was part of the Noon's game,

461
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Speaker 3: Like once she was able to get Pania down consistently,

462
00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:39,240
Speaker 3: that was part of her winning the fight because one

463
00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:41,320
Speaker 3: thing and a thing that in the fight is it's

464
00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:44,240
Speaker 3: all about morally just kind of taking it away from

465
00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:47,040
Speaker 3: your apart from your opponent, you know, just just destrowing

466
00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:49,960
Speaker 3: them in every single facet and being able to dominate

467
00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:52,720
Speaker 3: in the grappling was I bet one of Penias, you

468
00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:54,679
Speaker 3: know what she thought she'd be able to do. But

469
00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:57,359
Speaker 3: when you go in there and you just defang the snake,

470
00:19:57,640 --> 00:19:59,040
Speaker 3: and you know what I'm saying, you beat them right

471
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Speaker 3: where they think they're going to be, it's another ego

472
00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:05,399
Speaker 3: deflator and it just helps the process of just beating

473
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Speaker 3: your opponent because you're beating them every single place and

474
00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:10,000
Speaker 3: there's really no place for him to go. And then

475
00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:11,879
Speaker 3: you started to see the look in her eyes and

476
00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:14,159
Speaker 3: you start to feel that side come out, and then

477
00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:16,360
Speaker 3: you almost feel as if like they're going.

478
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Speaker 2: To just cruise to the defeat.

479
00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:21,560
Speaker 3: But even though Peya did not cruise a defeat, she

480
00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:23,440
Speaker 3: was definitely beaten them.

481
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Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt about it. Now, this is an interesting one, Rashad,

482
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Speaker 1: because thirty four years of age, she didn't like people

483
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Speaker 1: talk about changing gems. It wasn't like she went from

484
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Speaker 1: ATT to like AKA in that sense. She kind of

485
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Speaker 1: pulled everything around herself. And I'm gonna guess I don't

486
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Speaker 1: know this for a fact. I'm gonna guess even at

487
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Speaker 1: ATT she kind of had her own little system within

488
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Speaker 1: the system, you know, given who she was and giving

489
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Speaker 1: her tenure there, although she had previously started with MMA

490
00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:52,480
Speaker 1: Masters before that. But nevertheless, she did have a let's say,

491
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Speaker 1: a change in the gym's situation or whatever you want

492
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Speaker 1: to call that, and the loss and everything else. Just

493
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Speaker 1: just walk me through this. Not just did she turn

494
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Speaker 1: in an incredible performance, but the age and then all

495
00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:07,640
Speaker 1: the changes she had to experience how incredible is this feat?

496
00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:11,679
Speaker 1: How hard was how hard was it to do what

497
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Speaker 1: she was able to accomplish on Saturday night?

498
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Speaker 2: It was extremely difficult.

499
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Speaker 3: And listen, I because of all the things that you mentioned,

500
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Speaker 3: I didn't think.

501
00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:20,840
Speaker 2: She was gonna win a fight.

502
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Speaker 3: I mean, because I know what it means to be

503
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Speaker 3: able to make those big changes. And the fact that

504
00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:28,480
Speaker 3: you know, she had a wife in training camp, and

505
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Speaker 3: then her wife didn't fight a couple of weeks ago

506
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Speaker 3: for whatever reason. So you just never know how all

507
00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:36,560
Speaker 3: those things are playing into this, you know, into the puzzle,

508
00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:40,199
Speaker 3: and you know, being in a situation where now you

509
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Speaker 3: go from being in a in a gym setting where

510
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Speaker 3: the machine is running and operating and you don't got

511
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Speaker 3: to do anything but show up, But then now be

512
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Speaker 3: the orchestrator and your on your own gym and really

513
00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:52,720
Speaker 3: have to worry about everything on the outside. That's another

514
00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,919
Speaker 3: distraction that comes along with it, and it can it

515
00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:58,520
Speaker 3: can definitely distract you and pull you in a way

516
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Speaker 3: and pull energy out of the way.

517
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Speaker 2: That doesn't help on fight day.

518
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Speaker 3: So the fact that she was able to get it

519
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:06,480
Speaker 3: all together, but more importantly look better than she's looked

520
00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:10,439
Speaker 3: in her two or three previous fights before that. It

521
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Speaker 3: really showed that this move was the best move for her,

522
00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:17,320
Speaker 3: you know, And that's what that's what I seen on Saturday.

523
00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:19,399
Speaker 3: I seen that she made a move that was the

524
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Speaker 3: best move for her, and it maybe something that she

525
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Speaker 3: was probably thinking about a few fights prior. Because she

526
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Speaker 3: competed with just a sense of just freeness that I

527
00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,840
Speaker 3: haven't seen. And it was just the expressions in her

528
00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,240
Speaker 3: face at times, and you know, when she was smiling

529
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:36,199
Speaker 3: when she's fighting. I haven't seen that in her in

530
00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 3: so long, and to see that come out on Saturday

531
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,720
Speaker 3: really shows that she put together a camp that made

532
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Speaker 3: her feel good from a sole point of view.

533
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Speaker 1: You know what's interesting too, is I saw a lot

534
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Speaker 1: of in the end, the comparisons were good, but I

535
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Speaker 1: was And by the way, I did a video yesterday

536
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,560
Speaker 1: because BC and I he forces me to do predictions,

537
00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:56,760
Speaker 1: which I don't like doing because MMA is hard to predict,

538
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Speaker 1: especially if you don't have inside information right.

539
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Speaker 2: And then your person.

540
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,720
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm kind of over that, but you're right,

541
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 1: like it's it's difficult, you know. So I was with you.

542
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 1: I thought that Panya was gonna I thought that the

543
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 1: I thought that basically they would pick up where they

544
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:12,919
Speaker 1: left off in the first one. And credit to Amanda,

545
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 1: she flipped the script completely. I really, you know, we

546
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Speaker 1: can't say enough good things about it. But the other

547
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Speaker 1: one was like everyone's like, well, it's like Saint Pierre

548
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 1: against Sarah. But here was the thing. This is the

549
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:22,679
Speaker 1: difference and this is why Amanda, what she did is

550
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Speaker 1: even more impressive than to me, which is that Saint

551
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Speaker 1: Pierre was like twenty five or twenty six when that

552
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Speaker 1: happened against Sarah. You know, Amanda was thirty four, thirty four,

553
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Speaker 1: much longer in the tooth, much more miles on the tire,

554
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 1: so to speak, worts where tread I should say, you know,

555
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:39,880
Speaker 1: there was a lot more she had to like, there

556
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Speaker 1: was a lot more forces she had to summon, it

557
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 1: feels like, to get to where she went. Because when

558
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Speaker 1: Sarah and gsp rematched, he went right for the takedown

559
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:51,200
Speaker 1: and was knee to the body. It was ground and pound.

560
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,160
Speaker 1: It was a bit of a safer approach. Amanda went

561
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Speaker 1: south Paul, which is a little bit riskier in kind

562
00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:58,640
Speaker 1: of a way, right, Like she had to really shake

563
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Speaker 1: shit up to get it. And at thirty four years

564
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 1: of age were shot as a competitive athlete. You know this,

565
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Speaker 1: I don't know, I feel like making those changes, do

566
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,440
Speaker 1: taking those risks, showing the moxie that she did thirty

567
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,639
Speaker 1: four that's harder to do than than when you were

568
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 1: twenty six years old.

569
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, one. I mean I was thinking also when

570
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 2: you said Matt Hughes.

571
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:18,959
Speaker 3: You know, remember Matt Hughes switch stances late in his

572
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 3: career and it just didn't serve him well Bjpenn also

573
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:23,119
Speaker 3: as well, switch stances didn't serve.

574
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Speaker 2: Sugar Well yep, yep. And I mean you just never know,

575
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:28,360
Speaker 2: you know, especially when you're thirty four years old.

576
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Speaker 3: And I was looking at a man as if like,

577
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 3: you know, she's you know, she's on the other side.

578
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,680
Speaker 3: She's seeing the other side of things as far as

579
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,720
Speaker 3: like you know, now she's you know, growing her family,

580
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,679
Speaker 3: and she's really into that role of being a parent

581
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 3: and being you know, having having a family and things

582
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Speaker 3: like that.

583
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 2: So that kind of pulls you in a different mindset

584
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,159
Speaker 2: and you just never know what that mindset's gonna be.

585
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,640
Speaker 3: And I you know, and as a man it's one

586
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 3: way and as a woman it's another way. So you

587
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 3: never know how that's going to be as far as

588
00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,880
Speaker 3: like being able to continue to be the same savage

589
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,159
Speaker 3: were inside the cage, because in order to be in

590
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 3: that cage, you gotta pull that savagery out of you.

591
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 3: You gotta be in touch with it. You gotta be

592
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,400
Speaker 3: friends with it, you know. And I'm not sure that

593
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 3: leads to you know that that is you know, very

594
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 3: I guess a close you know, thing to do with family,

595
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. You have family on one end,

596
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 3: but then you have this savage another end. So it's

597
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 3: kind of it's kind of hard to see if you know,

598
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 3: both those worlds.

599
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:26,399
Speaker 2: Are gonna mesh.

600
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Speaker 1: I want to say one thing about Julianapana, which is

601
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,680
Speaker 1: that you know, it wasn't her night and she didn't

602
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 1: get around in the Judge of scorecards, and then of

603
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:37,119
Speaker 1: course she had a couple of ten eights on one

604
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 1: of the Judge of scorecards. I will say this, between

605
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 1: the ground and pounds she absorbed and between getting dropped

606
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 1: what felt like a million times, she might be one

607
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 1: of the toughest fighters on the roster, and I always

608
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Speaker 1: kind of respected how tough she was. I didn't know

609
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 1: she was this tough that is crazy. Have you ever

610
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,640
Speaker 1: seen someone get dropped that many times and then get

611
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 1: right back up and show the same kind of composure

612
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Speaker 1: And maybe to a fault because she didn't switch things

613
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 1: up in the way that you kind of articulated that

614
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:06,439
Speaker 1: maybe she should have. But still that resilience, that person

615
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 1: there was. I never felt like she quit. I never

616
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 1: felt like there was a moment where she wasn't trying

617
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 1: to win. Maybe Rashad she didn't have all of the

618
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 1: right tools to get it done fair enough, but she

619
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:19,920
Speaker 1: was trying until that final bell.

620
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I one hundred percent agree.

621
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Speaker 3: You know, her heart was on full display, and it

622
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,399
Speaker 3: showed that she has tons and tons of heart. She

623
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,160
Speaker 3: didn't have the skill, she did not have the skill,

624
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 3: but what she did have she made it close in

625
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,439
Speaker 3: areas and she made a man in New Nest feel her.

626
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 3: And that's one thing that I always say, like my

627
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 3: thing was like I made my whole career of saying

628
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 3: this one thing to myself. I'm like, look, I don't

629
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,119
Speaker 3: have to win, but this motherfucker he's gonna feel me.

630
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,399
Speaker 2: He's gonna feel me. You know, he's going to feel me.

631
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:52,679
Speaker 2: You gotta make him feel you.

632
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 3: And she made a man in New Nest feel her,

633
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, Like it was a man

634
00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:59,640
Speaker 3: that didn't after the fight was over.

635
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Speaker 2: I seen at the press conference, you know, she had crutches.

636
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 3: And her faces beat up. She was in a fight,

637
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 3: you know, and that's what you want. She didn't win

638
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,679
Speaker 3: the fight, but Paya didn't win the fight, but she

639
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 3: definitely made a man in New Nest feeler like man

640
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,919
Speaker 3: is feeling her today. So she gave a good account

641
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 3: for herself when it comes to toughness.

642
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 2: But it's just that when it comes to just that

643
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,159
Speaker 2: other element that she's going to have to be in

644
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 2: order to.

645
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 3: Be the champion, and in order to grow into that toughness,

646
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,639
Speaker 3: she's going to have to pick up some skills along

647
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 3: with that, with the striking and things like that, and

648
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 3: just more of a comfort when it comes to understanding

649
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 3: her style of fight. And I feel like that's what

650
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 3: it came down to, was she didn't really understand her

651
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,479
Speaker 3: style of fight. And that usually happens when a fighter

652
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 3: starts to master their style, and she hasn't really mastered

653
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 3: her style all.

654
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 1: Right, so let's talk about what might be next now.

655
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 1: Panya was like, we're one in one. But I just don't.

656
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 1: I mean, you lose fifty forty four and then fifty

657
00:27:56,080 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 1: forty three. I don't know if there's a ton of

658
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 1: momentum or say fan enthusiasm for a third fight between them.

659
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 1: We'll have to see. It. Seems like the big one

660
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 1: would be a third fight with Shifchenko. In fact, Shifchenko

661
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 1: getting out there and saying, aha, you copy my blueprint

662
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 1: because she stood southwore. She is southwall as well. Although

663
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 1: if you go back and watch that fight with shot

664
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 1: between Chefchenko and Pena, they clinched for like ninety five

665
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 1: percent of it or on the ground like standing apart.

666
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,199
Speaker 1: It was almost virtually none. So let me ask you this.

667
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: I'm going to work under the assumption that there is

668
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:31,679
Speaker 1: going to be a lot more enthusiasm for a Shipchenko

669
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,159
Speaker 1: or trilogy than a Penia one, even though the Penia

670
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 1: fights are vastly more exciting than the Shipchenko ones. Still,

671
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 1: do you agree that the next right step for Amanda

672
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 1: Nunez is to invite a third fight with Shivchenko. Yeah?

673
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 2: I think so, And I think now was the time too.

674
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 3: This is a time or to anything because you seen

675
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 3: him Shipchenko's last fight you know, she has she showed

676
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 3: that she had a chink in the armor, you know,

677
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 3: and she showed that she's beatable. And we know a

678
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 3: man in nes a beat double and this is where

679
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 3: they need to fight right now, because I feel like

680
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 3: it's very intriguing for the fans, you know, because now.

681
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 2: There's no okay, she's gonna win.

682
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 3: She's gonna win, and not one woman is just on

683
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 3: that role. Even though Chefchenko hasn't lost, but she still

684
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 3: has shown the ability that she can lose. She's still

685
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 3: that that tough, that tough, tough champ, but she does

686
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 3: she did show a chink in the armor in the

687
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 3: last fight. So I think that this is the time

688
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 3: to make that fight happen. If this is this is

689
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 3: there's no much time left when it comes to a

690
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 3: man and as being thirty four years old and already

691
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 3: starting to see the exit and already a double champion,

692
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 3: Let's see if.

693
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 2: She can do it. And you know, put the one

694
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 2: twenty five belt on the line.

695
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 1: Well, they couldn't do that because the fight would have

696
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 1: to be a band some way, but I know what

697
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 1: you mean, Like there will be essentially three belts on

698
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 1: the poster. So to speak.

699
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 2: Right.

700
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 1: Here's the thing though, Like, if you're Amanda, how do

701
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 1: you sell her on that you won the first one,

702
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: which is a three round contest years ago? Second one

703
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: was Scott Frankly, I thought Cheffchenko won it, but the

704
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 1: judge just thought otherwise, and it was very very close.

705
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 1: Fair enough. You know, you've already got this status if

706
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 1: you're the UFC, Like, how do you how do you

707
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 1: make her take the I mean obviously they can't make her,

708
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 1: but how do you convince her to take it? Because

709
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: obviously Shivchenko would get a shitload from a win. Amanda's

710
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 1: already got two up on her. What does she really

711
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 1: win with a third?

712
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 2: I think this is a legacy fight.

713
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, when it comes out, so the

714
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 3: Amanda Amanda Nunez is going to go down to history

715
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 3: as the best mixed women's mix Mars shalots of all

716
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 3: time and one of the best of all time, you know,

717
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 3: in general. So I think that this is one of

718
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 3: those fights that kind of really just solidifies that legacy,

719
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 3: you know. I mean it would be a shame if

720
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 3: we walked out, uh and these two you know, went

721
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 3: and retired and you know, decided have to fight anymore

722
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 3: without giving it one last shot, because you always want

723
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 3: to fight the best in your era, and that's one

724
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 3: thing that I will always say that I'm proud of, win, loser, draw.

725
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 3: I can always say, no matter what, I thought the

726
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 3: best in my era and to be able to fight

727
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 3: the best era and to compete with those guys, that's

728
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 3: what it's all about.

729
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 2: That's why we even do it. So I feel like

730
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 2: this is a bigger opportunity for her to solidify that legacy.

731
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 1: All right, fair enough. I hope that they may it next.

732
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: I'll be curious to see if they can sell it

733
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: to her, but it will be a fun one just

734
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 1: the same. Let's talk now, if we can't about the

735
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: co main event. Rashad so Brandon Moreno stops Kaikara France

736
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 1: in the third round with a vicious, vicious body kick.

737
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 1: Let's start. There's a lot of things to unpack from

738
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: this one. DC had noted Rashad in the broadcast his

739
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 1: stance was a little bit narrower, and of course he

740
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: had left his longtime Jim in Mexico introm Jim. He's

741
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: now over with James Krause, out of glory. I think

742
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 1: it's Glory MM and kickboxing. I forget the exact name

743
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 1: of the gym, but James Krause, you know this Rashad

744
00:31:56,440 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 1: one of the smartest guys, great coach, very talented fighter.

745
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 1: How different did Moreno look to you? How? How it? Again,

746
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 1: not like he was wildly different, but you know, you

747
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: don't need to be wildly different to have big changes.

748
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 1: Small changes can result in big differences. What did he

749
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 1: look like to you?

750
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 3: He looked better, you know, it looked like he was

751
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 3: more confident and looked as if like he was in

752
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 3: excellent shape. And it was almost as if like he

753
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 3: knew a secret the whole fight, even when he was

754
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 3: getting tatted up and on the other side of a

755
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 3: butt whoop, and he still made sure that he stayed

756
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 3: mentally engaged. And I say that because whenever you've seen

757
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 3: him going to the corner, even after he had a

758
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 3: round where he was just getting blasted on by kay

759
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 3: Ka Frantz, he still had that look in his eyes

760
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 3: as if like he was going to end the fight

761
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 3: next chance he got. And that right there showed me

762
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 3: that in training camp they worked a lot on just

763
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 3: mental toughness and more importantly, just that Hey, you're gonna

764
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 3: get this.

765
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 2: You're gonna get this, You're gonna get this, building that

766
00:32:58,320 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 2: belief in himself.

767
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 3: And that's one thing that I can say about what

768
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 3: about Kraus is the fact that sometimes listen, coaches can

769
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 3: go in there and say, make you, make you better

770
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 3: with the X and o's, make you do better differently

771
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 3: and technically speaking, But there's also times where the coach

772
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 3: is just mentally there, mentally making you find that other guy.

773
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 3: And that's what I seen in Moreno. James Krouse held

774
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 3: them accountable and made him find another guy. And I

775
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 3: seen James Krouse do that and other fights you know,

776
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 3: have guys, you know, pull out a victory and the

777
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 3: jaws of defeat when it was all on the line,

778
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 3: just because he's able to talk to him, just because

779
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 3: these fighters they fight for him. And that's different. That's

780
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 3: totally different when you have a when you have a

781
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 3: coach that you fight for, it just changes the way

782
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 3: you compete all together. And not seen that at Moreno.

783
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 1: Now, if I had to ask you, what's the best

784
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 1: explanation for how he was able to win? Right, a

785
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: little bit of x's and o's, tell me what you saw.

786
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 3: I saw moreno uh, you know, staying with within a

787
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 3: game plan, within a game plan, and he started off

788
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 3: going to the body in the beginning, and he's seeing

789
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 3: that eventually he'd be able to get to that body.

790
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 3: But you know, I also seen a guy who was

791
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:12,760
Speaker 3: you know, not willing to sink away and go and defeat.

792
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 3: You know, he was getting beat up out. That left

793
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 3: leg was was mince meat. And I don't even know

794
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 3: how he even pulled that kick off, but the fact

795
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 3: that he was able to do it just showed just

796
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 3: how mentally tough he is.

797
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 2: He was not going to give in.

798
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 3: But I feel like it was a combination of just

799
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 3: being so mentally tough and locked in, but also being

800
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 3: able to plant that seat early and started getting that

801
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,240
Speaker 3: bodywork in in the earlier rounds.

802
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I noticed, so when I was watching it, I

803
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 1: was trying to see, like how often he would go

804
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 1: to the body. I noticed high kicks obviously upstairs in

805
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 1: the first round, and then at the at rough I

806
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 1: can't remember exactly if it's like one thirty one, thirty

807
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: one two, but at roughly ninety second mark or so

808
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 1: of the third round it's the exact same kick. And

809
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,919
Speaker 1: then Kay car France is still circling, still doing his bit,

810
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: and then later on whatever the exact time was, at

811
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 1: the stoppage, he landed that other kick, just the exact

812
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 1: same one, and that one finally put him down. Let

813
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 1: me ask you about the body shots, kicks or punches.

814
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: So obviously everyone's gonna look at that one and be like, oh,

815
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 1: that was the kick that did it. But sometimes it

816
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 1: can be a cumulative, right, Like one shot will get

817
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 1: through and it's not the one that puts you down,

818
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: or you might have a good poker face and it hurts,

819
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: but you can kind of muscle through it. Do you

820
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 1: think it was just that one shot or do you

821
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: think that maybe Ky car France was feeling it a

822
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 1: little bit and that one was the straw that broke

823
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 1: the camel's back.

824
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 2: I think it was cumulative.

825
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 3: I think like it was maybe something he got hit

826
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 3: with earlier, and it kind of felt like, you know,

827
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 3: like when you get hit with the body shot and

828
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,839
Speaker 3: it kind of stays with stings, it kind of feels like,

829
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 3: you know, like like you got stabbed or something like that,

830
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 3: and it just feels like a it feels like you

831
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,280
Speaker 3: got a really bad cramp and it won't go away,

832
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,280
Speaker 3: and you know it kind of it kind of stays

833
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 3: there and when you move a certain kind of way,

834
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 3: you can feel it. And I feel like that's what

835
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 3: maybe been a problem with Kay Kyle France, because you

836
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 3: know the way you threw that kick and not saying

837
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 3: that that kick alone couldn't drop him and keep him out.

838
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 2: But it seemed as if like when there's no fight

839
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 2: in it.

840
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 3: Like that, that means that you've already fought at one

841
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 3: time before, or a couple of times before. You know

842
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, Like when your body just like yo, no,

843
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 3: I can't, it's just going to shutdown mode, that means

844
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 3: it's probably, you know, already taking a couple that you

845
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 3: you probably don't shit yourself for taking, you.

846
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:29,439
Speaker 1: Know, the hardest liver shot you ever took. But where

847
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:30,399
Speaker 1: was it?

848
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 3: It was in training practice. I was training, I was

849
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 3: sparring Tyrone spun getting ready for Yeah, you already know

850
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 3: what happened, getting ready for Phil Davis, and he threw

851
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 3: a shot. I landed a combination and I started to

852
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 3: kind of smile, and then he was like Bob hit

853
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,720
Speaker 3: me with a right into the kidneys and it actually

854
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 3: broke my rib too, man, So it was it was

855
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 3: one helpful shot.

856
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 2: Man.

857
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,919
Speaker 1: So when you fought Phil Davis was broken ribs. Yeah yeah,

858
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 1: is that is that why that was such a wrestling

859
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 1: heavy game plan for you?

860
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 2: Yeah?

861
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I didn't even want to wrestle. I

862
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 3: kind of wanted to keep striking, but I just, you know,

863
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 3: took what he gave me. But then you know, I

864
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 3: shot it up with some Cortison and stuff like that.

865
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,399
Speaker 3: So it kind of took away this thing. But once

866
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,280
Speaker 3: a fight started happening, it was hurting again.

867
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 1: Jesus. Once you said Tyrone Spong, I was like, oh,

868
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: you're you know, it is what it is at that point,

869
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 1: that's hilarious. All right. What do you want to say

870
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 1: about kay Car France? Man, he was fighting a good fight.

871
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:29,760
Speaker 1: You know, you go back and you watch the first

872
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: one kay car France, the first fight between them. He

873
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 1: wins the first one pretty pretty cleanly, and then Moreno

874
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: kind of takes over in the second and third. You know,

875
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 1: this one was close at times at times. By that

876
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 1: third round though, before he got dropped, kay Car France

877
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: was in control, like he was. He sliced him up

878
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 1: on the face. He actually got a takedown. Yeah, you know,

879
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 1: he was beating him up. I thought, up until shit

880
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: went bad, it was going right for Kay car France.

881
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 3: It was going so right for Kay car France. I

882
00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:59,399
Speaker 3: thought that Kay was gonna win. I thought that if

883
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 3: he wouldn't can tinue to keep doing what he was

884
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 3: gonna do, he was gonna win. And it was gonna

885
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 3: get worse for Moreno because the mobility of Morena was

886
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 3: getting shut down. It was that that leg kick was

887
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,399
Speaker 3: just in there, and it looked as if he took

888
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 3: one more he was gonna have to lay down and

889
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,760
Speaker 3: fight from his back. That's how bad those leg shots

890
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 3: were looking. But you know it was it was just,

891
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 3: you know, very well measured approach. Kai Kyle France didn't

892
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 3: come out of himself too many times, overreaching and things

893
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 3: like that like he did the first fight.

894
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 2: I felt like the first fight.

895
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,720
Speaker 3: Moreno did a really good job of managing a distance

896
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 3: and using his reach to keep Kay Kyle France on

897
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,280
Speaker 3: the outside. But Kyle was very smooth this time, coming

898
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 3: in and being out when he needed to and not

899
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 3: fighting in that in between zone where he can't where

900
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 3: he can get hit but he can't hit Moreno. So

901
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 3: I felt like he did a really good job of

902
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 3: managing a distance. But you know, I mean that that kick,

903
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 3: I mean it was the hell Mary, to be honest,

904
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 3: but it came from a very tough Moreno who just

905
00:38:58,000 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 3: refused to give in it.

906
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 1: Certainly he did. Although I will say one thing that

907
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:03,399
Speaker 1: I kind of saw when this one was like, why

908
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 1: was he throwing the kick in the way that he was?

909
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 1: Cara France was circling one direction the whole time. You know,

910
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: he was constantly going, if you're kay car Franz, he

911
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,399
Speaker 1: was going to his right, which sets up that left

912
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 1: body kick the whole time. And I noticed he was

913
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 1: going out and scooping to his right the whole time.

914
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 1: And I'm not here to say that like that's wrong

915
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 1: or anything like that, but everything has a counter for everything,

916
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 1: and you would see Moreno flash he loves those blitzes, right.

917
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 1: So for example, in the third fight between Moreno and

918
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: Figaredo Rashad, you would see Moreno blitz with the hands

919
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: and Figaredo would wait on him and then clinch and

920
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: go for a takedown or whatever, and sometimes they would

921
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 1: work and sometimes they wouldn't. But he was intercepting that

922
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 1: pressure with something he knew he could deliver back. Right.

923
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: We all know Figaredo is strong, can wrestle, has good, good,

924
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: good good grappling. By contrast, you saw a lot of

925
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 1: keep away from Cara France. He did, he he he

926
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: has made dramatic improvements in his defensive wrestling and his

927
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 1: defensive grappling, but it's not an offensive weapon for him

928
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: all that much. Certainly wasn't in this fight, and so

929
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 1: he was constantly playing keep away. It looked to me

930
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 1: like they were just either trying to cut him off

931
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 1: that way, or you know, because he's going far away,

932
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 1: you have to you know, you go to the body

933
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,240
Speaker 1: and you have to kick because that's the right distance

934
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,240
Speaker 1: and everything. But it did seem like they were picking

935
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 1: up on the fact that he was constantly moving in

936
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 1: that direction, constantly at that distance. Mareno loves those blitzes.

937
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: It was a bit of a hail Mary in the

938
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 1: sense that he was getting his ass kicked a little

939
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: bit in that third round. But at the same time,

940
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: I do feel like there was a there was a

941
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 1: method to that madness. Am I am I crazy?

942
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 2: No, You're not crazy, absolutely right.

943
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 3: I feel like they made the reads, you know, they

944
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:36,839
Speaker 3: were clocking Kay Kyle France and seeing which way he's

945
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 3: gonna go.

946
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 2: And you know, that's the name of the game. If

947
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 2: you do anything too many.

948
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 3: Times on repetitive matter, you're gonna get clocked and you're

949
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 3: gonna get caught.

950
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:45,839
Speaker 2: It's just a matter of time.

951
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 3: Because you got somebody at that high level, they're gonna

952
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 3: be able to see and especially when you got a

953
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 3: coach and staff like James Kraus and those guys who

954
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 3: are able to pick out the nuances and try to

955
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 3: see ways to exploit them. So yeah, I mean, he

956
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 3: was definitely something that you know, he's he was able

957
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 3: to capitalize on. But you know with kai Ka Franz,

958
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 3: you know he was he's seen an opportunity to really

959
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 3: beat up one at leg and being able to really

960
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 3: get Moreno, you know, circling on that leg and trying

961
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 3: to beat him to that step was one that is

962
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:19,800
Speaker 3: probably his main motivation to even circle into that side Atlanta, right, Kate.

963
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, fair enough. Now this brings us to the fact

964
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 1: that they brought Figaredo into the cage. Afterwards they're gonna

965
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 1: have a fourth fight, because this was for the interim championship,

966
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: and Figaredo holds the real title, so to speak. So

967
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 1: we're gonna get a fourth one based on what you

968
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 1: saw coming off of that third fight. Remember now, Figaredo

969
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 1: in that third fight was bringing in some of that

970
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 1: wisdom and that coaching from Henry Sejudo. I thought he

971
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: had a much better game plan. Yeah, I will say this,

972
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 1: Did I see something in this fight that gives me

973
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,240
Speaker 1: confidence that Mareno can get over that hump with Figaredo?

974
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: Not necessarily, But here's the caveat right. Sometimes guys go

975
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 1: to a new coach and it takes a few fights

976
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: for them to really really settle in. There can be

977
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: some immediate benefits, but the full benefit doesn't necessarily happen

978
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 1: right away. I wonder what you make of that, and

979
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: also how that factors into your thinking about what a

980
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 1: fourth Figureato fight's gonna look like.

981
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:17,359
Speaker 2: I one hundred percent agree.

982
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 3: You know, I feel like, you know, the fruits of

983
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 3: the labor that they're putting it, He's putting it in

984
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 3: the crowds as Jim is not really going to materialize itself,

985
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 3: you know, until maybe the next fighter to fight after that.

986
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 3: Like when you were asking me before, did I see

987
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 3: anything technically different?

988
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 2: I didn't really see anything technically different.

989
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 3: If I was comparing anything technically speaking, I would say

990
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 3: that he did a better job technically before when he

991
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 3: fought him, just because he's able to utilize his reach

992
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 3: and stuff like that. So but but but the work

993
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 3: that he did with James Krause was for me, it

994
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 3: was you know, a mental one and it was a

995
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 3: belief factor. And now you know he fights for James Krause.

996
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 3: You know that the moment when.

997
00:42:58,040 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 2: You see Morenom get ready to go into the k

998
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 2: age and then you see James Crouse just talking that

999
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 2: ship to him, just getting getting into his mind and

1000
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 2: just really you know, really just lathering him up.

1001
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,800
Speaker 3: That's a that's a coach who's connected with this fighter,

1002
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,399
Speaker 3: you know. And and the look that he had in

1003
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 3: his eyes looking at James Krause showed that that connection

1004
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 3: was a very strong one. So you know, he's fighting

1005
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 3: for that guy. So I think that going into this

1006
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 3: fight with with with Davis and Figureedo is gonna be

1007
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 3: different just on that aspect alone. And now if he

1008
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 3: can just amplify and just bring all the things that

1009
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 3: he's been able to learn by being there with Kraus

1010
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 3: and really learn to just kind of you know, uh,

1011
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 3: pull pull some of the positive that he had out

1012
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 3: of the last two fights and just really just making

1013
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 3: it full of display for the fourth one.

1014
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 2: I think we're gonna have a really good fight for

1015
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 2: for Moreno.

1016
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 1: You know, it reminds me of Tyson Fury switching over

1017
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:56,280
Speaker 1: between Ben Davison and then going to the Kronc gym. Yes,

1018
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 1: it was a big technical change, right, he went from

1019
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: guy who's sort of jabbing on the outside to a

1020
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 1: guy who went into the storm and it totally worked.

1021
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 1: But then you see, for example, at the press conference, right,

1022
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: Tyson Fury doing Tyson Fury shit where he's completely shirtless

1023
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,439
Speaker 1: and he's looking you know, if you if you didn't

1024
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 1: know he was the boxing champion, you'd think he was

1025
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,280
Speaker 1: just an out of shape middle aged dude. Almost. Yeah,

1026
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: But then sugar Hill Stewart's taking off his shirt too,

1027
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:21,399
Speaker 1: you know, his coach is doing the exact thing. That's

1028
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:22,879
Speaker 1: that connection you're talking about, right.

1029
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, indeed, yes, that's it, that's it, you.

1030
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 3: Know, and you know it's it's a big trust that

1031
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 3: that happens when you you know, when you truly buy

1032
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 3: into the program. You know, when you truly buy into

1033
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 3: the program and truly buy into which a coach is

1034
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 3: trying to get you to believe in yourself and seeing yourself,

1035
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 3: then it kind of changes things and you've seen a dynamic,

1036
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 3: you know, I've had it with you know, Mike Van

1037
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,359
Speaker 3: Arsdel was one of those coaches who I just absolutely

1038
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 3: fought for. Greg Jackson and Mike winkle John were other

1039
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,399
Speaker 3: coaches who are who I fought for. And I can

1040
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 3: just look into the corner and they just say one

1041
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 3: or two words and they can just immediately flip the switch.

1042
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 3: When I was getting my butt kicked by Forrest Griffin

1043
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 3: and with the fight, you're not going to the second

1044
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 3: the third round, and I sit on a stool and

1045
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 3: the coach is like, dude, what are you doing? And

1046
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 3: just him just talking to me the way he talked

1047
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 3: to me. There's the frankness that Michael and talked to me.

1048
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 3: I knew I was letting him down and I didn't

1049
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 3: want that. So I went out there and fought that

1050
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 3: round for him. And that's what you do when you

1051
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 3: had that connection with your coaches.

1052
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 1: That's a hell of a point. Well, by the way,

1053
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 1: what is old Mark Mike Van Arsdale up to.

1054
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 3: He's over in Arizona. He's coaching some kids. You know,

1055
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 3: he's got like a good kids program that there and

1056
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 3: he's working.

1057
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: With Yeah, he was always jacked as shit, even when

1058
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 1: he always.

1059
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 2: To forty four years old and just arms is huge.

1060
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe. I was like, how are you this

1061
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 1: old with this many ass? Okay, I neither here nor there.

1062
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 1: All right, Let's talk very quickly about Derek Lewis, because

1063
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 1: this was this was an interesting one. I wasn't fully

1064
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 1: sure what to make of this. So he loses in

1065
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: the first round very quickly, as a matter of fact,

1066
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 1: to Saragey Pavlovitch. Now, first things first, before we talk

1067
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: about Derek Leus and if he's coming or going and

1068
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 1: all that stuff, let's talk first about the stoppage by

1069
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 1: Dan murgleiata, Yeah, Rashot, did you love it? Did you

1070
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 1: hate it? Where are you?

1071
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 2: I hated it? I hated it, but I was able

1072
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:16,720
Speaker 2: to see. You know, when you see it real fast,

1073
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 2: you can see why he was concerned. But at the same.

1074
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:24,879
Speaker 3: Time, you know, you know, the minute he was Derek

1075
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 3: Lewis hands hit the ground and was on all fours.

1076
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 2: He was already coming back up. You know, there wasn't

1077
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 2: where he fell from his hands because he was at hands.

1078
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 2: He doesn't go hands to his elbows, you know, he

1079
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 2: didn't fall like that. You know, it wasn't where he

1080
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 2: was just on his hands and in the tripopposition on

1081
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 2: all fours and he bounced, he came right back up.

1082
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:48,840
Speaker 2: So a lot of those shots that were thrown missed,

1083
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 2: And it's just an unfortunate situation because I know the

1084
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 2: rat was trying to do his thing and trying to

1085
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 2: save a fighter and make it so he can fight

1086
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 2: another day and then heavyweight. You know what I'm saying,

1087
00:46:57,719 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 2: You don't want to get caught with too many unnecessary

1088
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 2: shots because it could be the end of it. But

1089
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 2: I mean with a guy like Derecks Derek Lewis, who's

1090
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 2: you know, who who has that, you know, the ability

1091
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 2: to take those kind of shots. You know, it's kind

1092
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 2: of like one of those things where you just got

1093
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 2: to know who you're roughing more than anything.

1094
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, how many times have we seen Derek

1095
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: Lewis hurt and then storm back. It's in a million times,

1096
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 1: usually with body shots more than getting punched in the head.

1097
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: Fair enough, but still like it's pretty common. I will

1098
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:26,359
Speaker 1: tell you I didn't love it either. I saw some

1099
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 1: defense of it. I don't think it's not the It's

1100
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 1: certainly not the worst stoppage in the world, you know,

1101
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 1: But for example, compare the amount of times that Brandon

1102
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:42,359
Speaker 1: Marino had to subsequently hit Kyra France once he had

1103
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 1: like gone down and he was drilling him, versus you know,

1104
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:49,240
Speaker 1: this was we I granted it looked bad. I understand

1105
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 1: it looked bad where you know, he's going face first

1106
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 1: and he kind of catching himself on the canvas. He

1107
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,799
Speaker 1: just didn't get any time to recover at all. Like

1108
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 1: a couple more hammer fists would have told us a lot,

1109
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 1: I feel like, and he just didn't get that chance.

1110
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 1: So not my favorite stoppage from Dan murgleiata there, all right,

1111
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 1: But let's talk about Derek Lewis. So I think it's

1112
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 1: thirty seven years of age. I'm gonna verify here in

1113
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:11,720
Speaker 1: just a second. Here's what I was worried about Rashad.

1114
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 1: He was coming off of the loss to Ti tooe

1115
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:15,399
Speaker 1: Voss and now Ti tooev Vos is obviously a heavy

1116
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 1: hitter and a tough guy himself, but Derek Lewis's the

1117
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: guy who's been putting people's lights out, and finally his

1118
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: lights got put out in that fight, and I was like,

1119
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 1: how's he gonna come back from this? Again? I didn't

1120
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 1: like the referee stoppage. So maybe the answer is we

1121
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 1: just don't know a whole lot. But this was by

1122
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 1: far the best opponent Sergey Pavlovitch had defeated. I mean,

1123
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 1: Alistair overhim, walked right over Pavlovitch like it wasn't anything,

1124
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:41,439
Speaker 1: And so you know, there's a big sort of question

1125
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 1: there about is he actually this good? We don't really know.

1126
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 1: What do you make of the let's say, the career

1127
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: stage of a guy like Derek Lewis.

1128
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:51,760
Speaker 3: I'll think that Derek is at one of those stages

1129
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 3: where he's got to recalibrate himself, you know what I'm saying. Like,

1130
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:57,320
Speaker 3: I feel as if, like you know, at thirty seven

1131
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:01,439
Speaker 3: years old and heavyweight, you know, they don't necessarily they

1132
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 3: age later on and they kind of, you know, get

1133
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 3: better as they get older, but then there is a

1134
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 3: point where he has to just kind of, you know, decide.

1135
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:11,240
Speaker 3: I feel like he's kind of in that Luke Warren

1136
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:14,399
Speaker 3: position that he was before you know, he started having

1137
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,399
Speaker 3: all this success. So I feel like he just needs

1138
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 3: to take another recalibration and see if this is still

1139
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:22,320
Speaker 3: something that he wants to do as far as fighting

1140
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 3: from that place to be the best, not just getting

1141
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 3: a check, but to be the best. And when you

1142
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 3: fight to be the best, you fight differently than you

1143
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 3: do with just getting a check. And right now I

1144
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 3: feel like he's fighting it just get a check. And

1145
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 3: I say that because you know, I watch interview he

1146
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 3: did with DC, and I know sometimes you know, he's

1147
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 3: a funny guy. He's a funny guy, but you know

1148
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 3: he's like, I don't you know, he didn't he didn't.

1149
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:44,320
Speaker 2: Really know the name of his opponent.

1150
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 3: And I'm not saying you need to know how to

1151
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,800
Speaker 3: say it, you know all those different things, but I

1152
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:51,879
Speaker 3: mean it's attention of detail, you know what I'm saying.

1153
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 3: Like when I got to fight a guy, I know

1154
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 3: his name, I know his wife's name, I know everything

1155
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 3: I can know about this person, you know, And I

1156
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:03,399
Speaker 3: do that just so my mindset get really familiar as

1157
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:07,360
Speaker 3: I can with this person, so it's not a stranger

1158
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 3: that I'm in there.

1159
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 2: I feel like I know him really well.

1160
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 3: And I feel like when you're at that level like

1161
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 3: Derek Lewis, you have to approach the fight like that.

1162
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 3: And I feel like, you know, he's kind of missing

1163
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 3: that element of it. And maybe he's never that kind

1164
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:24,319
Speaker 3: of guy. But for me, if you want to be

1165
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 3: the best, you gotta be dead center, you gotta be

1166
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:27,359
Speaker 3: locked in.

1167
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:30,839
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, as we all know, thirty seven at

1168
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 1: heavyweight is not necessarily It's not like a spring chicken.

1169
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:37,839
Speaker 1: But you're not necessarily over the hill for thirty seven

1170
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 1: at heavyweight. And we did see in the Chris Dawkas fight,

1171
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 1: which was just last year December of twenty twenty one,

1172
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 1: he was able to put his lights out inside of

1173
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 1: the first We know he's got big power, but he's

1174
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 1: lost three of his last four. Now you look at

1175
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 1: the who he's lost to, Cyril Gon, who's maybe you know,

1176
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 1: future champion. We'll see taituy Vasa, who again is very good,

1177
00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 1: very tough. Pavlovitch just doesn't mean the are his losses

1178
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 1: in the UFC Rashai, you're ready for this. These are

1179
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 1: his losses, okay, now, excluding some of the early ones

1180
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 1: against Sean Jordan met Mitrio. I don't mean to diminish them.

1181
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,359
Speaker 1: But those were, you know, twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen. Since

1182
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 1: then Mark Hunt in twenty seventeen, a big dominant puncher,

1183
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 1: and the like Cormier, Jds, Cyril Gon, taituy Vasa and

1184
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 1: now Pavlovitch. Of all those guys, Pavlovich is the least

1185
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 1: to this point anyway, We'll see how he does in

1186
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 1: his career, the least accomplished. When the when the quality

1187
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 1: of the opponent begins to change, that's when you're like,

1188
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 1: I'm not sure where this is going. Am I reading

1189
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 1: too much into that?

1190
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 3: No, you're not, You're not, You're not at all, you know.

1191
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:41,839
Speaker 3: But I feel like also like that's what Drek rule

1192
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 3: is like because because of the fact that he doesn't

1193
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 3: necessarily take it as serious as he should as he should,

1194
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 3: I feel like he leaves a lot of room for

1195
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 3: people to make those assessments of him. I feel like

1196
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:57,320
Speaker 3: he does still have some trend left on his tires.

1197
00:51:57,560 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 3: I feel like, you know, there's some things that he

1198
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,800
Speaker 3: can definitely see you, uh, turn.

1199
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 2: Around if you really wanted to. But it's it's that

1200
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 2: very you know that the let you know, it's if

1201
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 2: he wants to part you know, does he want to

1202
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,319
Speaker 2: does he does he want to be the best? You know?

1203
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:17,760
Speaker 3: And when you're uncertain on you know, where you're competing from,

1204
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 3: it's impossible to have the consistent results because you're not

1205
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 3: anchored in a place that's in a place that is

1206
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 3: is going to be Uh, you know, is holding you accountable?

1207
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:30,799
Speaker 2: You're not.

1208
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:33,359
Speaker 3: You're not You're not holding yourself accountable to any kind

1209
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 3: of standards of being a champion. So I feel if

1210
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 3: he reorients his mind and decides where he wants to be,

1211
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:42,479
Speaker 3: then he could make a run or he could turn

1212
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 3: things around. But if he just wants to be out

1213
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 3: there and get a check, then I don't see it.

1214
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, fighting is one of those things where it's like,

1215
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 1: you know, far be it for me to tell anyone

1216
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 1: how they should fight or what the mentality is. But

1217
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 1: just listening to like the very best fighters over the

1218
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:58,319
Speaker 1: course of covering the sport for as long as I've

1219
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 1: been doing it, I don't think I've heard one guy

1220
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 1: yet be like, yeah, kick your feet up, you know

1221
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:05,959
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like take it easy. You know, Yes,

1222
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 1: being relaxed can be a big part of it. But

1223
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 1: like every single person you talk to is like, you

1224
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 1: need to be extremely focused, extremely dialed in, otherwise bad

1225
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 1: shit will happen to you. Fair Enough, Dan Merglotta did

1226
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: not have the best stoppage here, and I can I

1227
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 1: can readily agree. We'll see how he looks in his

1228
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 1: next one, but I think you would agree in his

1229
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:28,360
Speaker 1: next fight that is, that's where we're gonna get a

1230
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:30,319
Speaker 1: great read. Right for all the mistakes that may have

1231
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 1: happened here, he has he's probably got to know that

1232
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 1: would be three losses in a row right first time

1233
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,479
Speaker 1: his career has ever happened. That would be a real

1234
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 1: gut check moment to see exactly where whether Derek Lewis

1235
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 1: is coming or going.

1236
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, you know, And and also like you know,

1237
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 3: if like Derek Lewis has some great like skills, like

1238
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:54,360
Speaker 3: he has some great athleticism that you just is very unexpected.

1239
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 3: But the thing with Derek Lewis is that he's always

1240
00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 3: been one of those athletes who have all these different tools,

1241
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:02,880
Speaker 3: but he's never really took it into time to organize

1242
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 3: his toolbox. And I feel like if he does take

1243
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 3: it a little bit more serious on that respect of

1244
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 3: just kind of deciding where he wants to fight from

1245
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 3: being a champion or not. Then he's gonna take the

1246
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:17,280
Speaker 3: time to really organize how he can best get consistent

1247
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:19,280
Speaker 3: wins by organizing his toolbox.

1248
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 1: Fair enough, all right, So there'll be more UFC conversations

1249
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 1: and breakdowns I'll be doing on Morning Combat Extra credit.

1250
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 1: Be on the lookout for that. Got a couple of

1251
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 1: new twists coming to that podcast. But let's turn our

1252
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:33,800
Speaker 1: attention to some news that broke on Saturday night. Rashad

1253
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 1: I was actually live doing a showtime stream when I

1254
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:39,879
Speaker 1: found out I was at the Danny Garcia fight Jake

1255
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 1: Paul versus a seam Rockmont Junior canceled. Now, there is

1256
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 1: a lot of he said, she said, or I should

1257
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 1: say he said he said anyway between them. There's a

1258
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 1: lot of you know what, I'm just sort of using

1259
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:54,879
Speaker 1: the old adage, and there's a lot of theorizing from

1260
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:58,760
Speaker 1: a lot of different folks. The very very basic detail

1261
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 1: is that at a seam Rockman Junior had to come

1262
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 1: down heavily in weight and basically was not making the

1263
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 1: requisite progress that he needed to make in order for

1264
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 1: that to be there. So there was some negotiation. He

1265
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:16,399
Speaker 1: was initially supposed to be at two hundred, and there

1266
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 1: was an agreement if he could make two five between

1267
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 1: both Paul and the Commission, and you should know this

1268
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 1: for Shout, I interviewed Jake Paul about this. There were

1269
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:27,279
Speaker 1: other opponents that they had considered for both experience and

1270
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 1: size and whatnot, and the Commission made weight a very

1271
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:32,799
Speaker 1: big point about what they were going to approve and

1272
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 1: not approve, both in this contest and any other one

1273
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 1: that he was entertaining at the time when Tommy Fury

1274
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 1: had fallen out, So they agreed, if you can go

1275
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 1: to two o five, we'll let it slide. Then the

1276
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 1: rock Band Camp basically came back and said, well, it's

1277
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:47,799
Speaker 1: got to be two fifteen, and again it was contracted

1278
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 1: for two hundred pounds. I've got some thoughts about who's

1279
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 1: sort of at fall here and why this all kind

1280
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 1: of fell apart. I'd be curious to get your perspective

1281
00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 1: when you examine why this fell apart. What is your

1282
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 1: best explanation.

1283
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 3: It's it's a it's a it's on Rockman under me.

1284
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:10,359
Speaker 3: I mean, Listen could have Jake made the adjustment for

1285
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 3: Rochman not being able to make the weight. Yeah, he

1286
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 3: could have, but he signed a contract.

1287
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, You sign a contract and

1288
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 2: he knew his situation going.

1289
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:23,799
Speaker 3: Into sign the contract. Is not like he didn't know,

1290
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:25,919
Speaker 3: you know, how hard it was going to be signed

1291
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 3: a contract when he was two hundred and thirty pounds

1292
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:30,400
Speaker 3: and knowing he was going to fight at two hundred pounds,

1293
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 3: you know. So so for me, I'm not really buying

1294
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 3: the whole like I couldn't make weight type thing, because

1295
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:40,759
Speaker 3: you don't sign a contract to fight thirty pounds later

1296
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:42,799
Speaker 3: if you can't make it. You know, if somebody came

1297
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 3: to me and say, hey, Shot, I want you to

1298
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:48,720
Speaker 3: fight at you know, uh one seventy, I'm not gonna

1299
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:49,399
Speaker 3: be able to do it.

1300
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 1: You know.

1301
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 3: If I do sign a contract, then then then I'm

1302
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:55,320
Speaker 3: signing something I'm not gonna be able to uh to fulfill.

1303
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 3: So I feel like ha seem on that aspect just

1304
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:01,239
Speaker 3: just failed to to do what he could he was

1305
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 3: contractually obligated for so rather and I hate and it

1306
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:09,919
Speaker 3: pains me to say this because I don't dislike Jake Paul,

1307
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 3: but I'm not the biggest Jake Paul fan. So in

1308
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 3: a situation, it's with the person who signed a contract.

1309
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think there's a little bit of

1310
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 1: examination all the way around that should happen here. I

1311
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 1: basically agree with you. Like dude, you signed the deal.

1312
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 1: You knew what the deal was when you signed it.

1313
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 1: You knew what you were tasked with. If you're a

1314
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 1: Hassim Rockmand junior and you agreed to be able to

1315
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 1: make it. Now it's funny. I wish BC was here

1316
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:38,919
Speaker 1: for only one reason. I'm very glad to be talking

1317
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:41,920
Speaker 1: to you. But we had had conversations privately off the

1318
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 1: air about what I thought was going to happen. This

1319
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 1: was my prediction. My prediction was the Waigns were gonna happen,

1320
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 1: which would be have been on Friday. I told BC this,

1321
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:51,959
Speaker 1: he can back this up. I said, there's no chance

1322
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 1: Rockmm makes weight. I don't know how much he's going

1323
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 1: to miss it by, but he's not gonna make two

1324
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:57,919
Speaker 1: hundred pounds. I actually thought he might make two five

1325
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:00,320
Speaker 1: or like two oh seven or something. And then I

1326
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 1: thought the Commission would still find a way to let

1327
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 1: it go right. The match would happen, and that Rockman

1328
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 1: would beat Jake Paul. That was actually what I thought

1329
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 1: was going to happen. So the second part of that,

1330
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 1: I guess we'll never find out, but the first part

1331
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 1: it seems like it would have been right on the money.

1332
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 1: I just didn't believe he was going to be able

1333
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:17,920
Speaker 1: to do it. And we interviewed Rockmont Junior as well

1334
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 1: BC and I, and he was like, oh, I've got

1335
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 1: a nutritionist and they're keeping me on this, and they're

1336
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 1: keeping me on that. And then there's another video that

1337
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 1: comes out where he's like, my body just wouldn't let me.

1338
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 1: It's like, dude, I understand you have to say certain

1339
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 1: things to the media to promote fights. I cannot stand

1340
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 1: it when I get lied to directly by a fighter.

1341
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 1: I cannot stand it. Shod when they just outright If

1342
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 1: you want a hedge or fudge or you don't want

1343
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:45,920
Speaker 1: to talk about it, fine, but an outright lie drives

1344
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 1: me up the fucking wall. I cannot stand it. And

1345
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 1: that was just an outright lie. He was totally different

1346
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 1: things he was saying. So I'm like, my level of

1347
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 1: sympathy for a deal you agreed to, you knew what

1348
00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 1: time it was when you signed the deal, is not high. However,

1349
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 1: I will say this, and this is why I think

1350
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:06,040
Speaker 1: Jake Paul has some reflecting to do. I don't think

1351
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 1: he did anything wrong necessarily. He was definitely trying to

1352
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 1: stack the deck in his favor by getting a guy

1353
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 1: who was heavy to come way down. But of course

1354
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 1: he's in a difficult position because you're headlining Madison Square Garden.

1355
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 1: You need a dance partner that you know can also,

1356
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:24,480
Speaker 1: you know, husting rock Bonds got his dad's name, so

1357
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:27,120
Speaker 1: this is something that, at least in theory, you could

1358
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 1: use to help promote the fight. But I made this

1359
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 1: point about seeing Punk in the UFC, and these are

1360
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 1: not identical scenarios. But like with see him Punk, the

1361
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 1: UFC was just not the right opportunity for him, not

1362
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:38,960
Speaker 1: really because he was never going to go on and

1363
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 1: beat somebody who was actually really good. But it's like, dude,

1364
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 1: if you actually want to get good at MMA, you

1365
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 1: cannot cheat the system. You have to start at the

1366
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 1: regional show when no one's looking. You got to get

1367
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 1: your amateur fights in or however it was. You know,

1368
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 1: I know in your era wasn't exactly like that, but

1369
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 1: you know, now you can get some amateur fights in,

1370
00:59:57,360 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 1: you can get some low level pro fights in and

1371
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 1: then you can work your way, and there's a reason

1372
01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 1: why you want to do that. You don't want to

1373
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 1: be under the bright lights when you're first starting out.

1374
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 1: You're not ready for them. They're not good for you.

1375
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 1: You need to just focus on the task at hand.

1376
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:14,919
Speaker 1: He's got competing problems. On the one hand, he needs

1377
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:18,439
Speaker 1: to be here headlining Madison Square Garden. On the other hand,

1378
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:20,760
Speaker 1: this was only going to be his sixth pro fight,

1379
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 1: so they got to find just the right kind of

1380
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:26,640
Speaker 1: guy to make that work, which I think Tommy Fury

1381
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 1: would have been, and it kind of all fell apart,

1382
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:31,240
Speaker 1: and so my thought is this, It's like, will they

1383
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 1: be able to find someone else going forward? Maybe he'll

1384
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:34,840
Speaker 1: fight Anderson Silver or something else like that, and maybe

1385
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 1: it'll all work out. I don't know. But there's a

1386
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 1: reason why if you actually want to develop through the ranks,

1387
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 1: you do it quietly at first through that system, because

1388
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:46,440
Speaker 1: you don't have to worry if you're fighting your six

1389
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:49,080
Speaker 1: pro fight and you're just Joe Schmoe, who the hell

1390
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 1: the guy is across from you. The promoter will worry

1391
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:53,640
Speaker 1: about that, and you don't have to worry about selling tickets,

1392
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:56,160
Speaker 1: and you don't have to worry about any of those things.

1393
01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:59,560
Speaker 1: But when you're the promoter and the guy and you're inexperienced,

1394
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:04,600
Speaker 1: it's so many competing interests that it just makes doing

1395
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 1: the job very, very difficult. And for that reason, especially

1396
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:10,680
Speaker 1: because it was rushed in the sense that you know,

1397
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:13,320
Speaker 1: Fury was the original opponent, it didn't work out, I

1398
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:17,160
Speaker 1: just feel like it's very very difficult to balance those

1399
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:21,240
Speaker 1: competing because listen, Rashad, you would agree they could find

1400
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:24,040
Speaker 1: a cruiserweight, right, they could find some cruiser weight out

1401
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:25,720
Speaker 1: there who's four and oh five and zero, but he

1402
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 1: didn't have the name, and so all these things they

1403
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:30,520
Speaker 1: just make that job way too difficult to do.

1404
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:33,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're really waiting for the stars to align with

1405
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:37,360
Speaker 3: the perfect opponent had the social media following and all

1406
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:40,120
Speaker 3: the things that make all the heavy lifting about promoting

1407
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:41,240
Speaker 3: and fight easy.

1408
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:44,240
Speaker 2: And that's the thing about it, like, you know, he's

1409
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:45,040
Speaker 2: not at.

1410
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 3: The level where he's gonna be able to get somebody

1411
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:50,280
Speaker 3: with a big following that people know. But then at

1412
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:53,240
Speaker 3: the same time, that's a credible boxer because you know,

1413
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:57,160
Speaker 3: if you're a credible boxer, you know you've you've proven

1414
01:01:57,200 --> 01:02:00,480
Speaker 3: yourself and you have you know, way more experience, so

1415
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:03,439
Speaker 3: he's not gonna find what he's looking for. And maybe

1416
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 3: that's why, you know, that's precisely why he was going

1417
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:09,040
Speaker 3: for the non boxers than the MMA guys in the

1418
01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:11,959
Speaker 3: MMA space, just trying to capitalize off of what we've

1419
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:15,080
Speaker 3: done in MMA and trying to, you know, use all

1420
01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:16,680
Speaker 3: the fan fear that we got and try to use

1421
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 3: it for his boxing and get the attention.

1422
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:22,800
Speaker 2: But I mean, this is a six fight, so it's like,

1423
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:25,760
Speaker 2: what is he really trying to do here?

1424
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:28,680
Speaker 3: I feel like he's really just trying to get maybe

1425
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:32,240
Speaker 3: a few more big fights like this before he's able

1426
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:35,240
Speaker 3: to get a big fish, you know, before he's in

1427
01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 3: a big fish. I mean someone and not saying McGregor

1428
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:40,200
Speaker 3: do it, but someone like him McGregor, someone that's a

1429
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:43,400
Speaker 3: big name fighter that makes all this worth it. And

1430
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 3: I feel like that's what he's looking for than any

1431
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 3: more than anything. I don't feel like he's really looking

1432
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:50,880
Speaker 3: to be champion in boxing anything like that. I'm thinking

1433
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:54,840
Speaker 3: that he's really just looking for blockbuster fights with guys

1434
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:57,960
Speaker 3: have big names, and he's gonna use these fights with

1435
01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:01,160
Speaker 3: Rochmann and other fights with and Willy and other people,

1436
01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:04,080
Speaker 3: that he can fight in order to hold interest until

1437
01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:05,880
Speaker 3: he can get a fight like that.

1438
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:09,160
Speaker 1: I didn't like the Rockman fight for him. You know,

1439
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:15,560
Speaker 1: Rockman's got a lot of issues where, you know, he's

1440
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:17,800
Speaker 1: never been the guy who was widely regarded as the

1441
01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 1: most professional. I mean, I don't know if you saw

1442
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:21,400
Speaker 1: the press conference for shot. Even his dad aired him

1443
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:23,160
Speaker 1: out at the press conference, being like, yeah, he hasn't

1444
01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:25,760
Speaker 1: really focused and trained the way he's supposed to win

1445
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:27,680
Speaker 1: the past. You know, I've been and I'll just be

1446
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:31,080
Speaker 1: He told the whole public that, you know, yeah, so

1447
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:33,120
Speaker 1: I get that. Uh, And you know, but the guy

1448
01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:37,080
Speaker 1: had one hundred amateur fights and he had thirteen pro fights, dude,

1449
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:39,520
Speaker 1: that's all. And he was a big guy. Obviously, he was,

1450
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:40,960
Speaker 1: you know, sitting around two thirty at the time they

1451
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:44,440
Speaker 1: signed the deal, roughly speaking, you know, that was I

1452
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:46,320
Speaker 1: thought that was way too much of a leap for

1453
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:47,959
Speaker 1: Jake Paul. If you had beaten that guy, that would

1454
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:50,400
Speaker 1: have been actually legitimately quite respect, I would have been

1455
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:52,920
Speaker 1: very impressed. To be honest with you, it seems like

1456
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:54,720
Speaker 1: to me what he wants is he's waiting to see

1457
01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:57,280
Speaker 1: what happens with Nate Daz. I think that's the one

1458
01:03:57,320 --> 01:03:59,040
Speaker 1: he's waiting on. Size that one up for me. How

1459
01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:01,240
Speaker 1: do you how do you imagine and we'll see what

1460
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:03,160
Speaker 1: Hamza does to him on the way out. By the way,

1461
01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:05,760
Speaker 1: that's a meat grinder if ever there was one. Uh,

1462
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:08,040
Speaker 1: what do you make of a potential Jake Paul Nate

1463
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:09,080
Speaker 1: Diaz boxing match?

1464
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:10,960
Speaker 2: Now, that would be interesting.

1465
01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:13,160
Speaker 3: That would be interesting because you know, you have a

1466
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:15,120
Speaker 3: Jake Paul who's going to be able to use his side,

1467
01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:16,560
Speaker 3: He's going to be able to use his strength, he's

1468
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:19,200
Speaker 3: going to be able to use his explosive punch and power.

1469
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:21,680
Speaker 2: But then you have Nate Diaz, who, you know, when it.

1470
01:04:21,640 --> 01:04:24,000
Speaker 3: Comes down to it is is one of the best

1471
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:27,240
Speaker 3: boxers in the game. And and and it's kind of

1472
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:31,120
Speaker 3: crazy because you look at him his striking and sometimes

1473
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:33,960
Speaker 3: it doesn't just jump right at you the effectiveness of

1474
01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:37,680
Speaker 3: his style, but his style is one you know that

1475
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:40,800
Speaker 3: that's really hard to beat because you know, it's a

1476
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:44,400
Speaker 3: lot of volume and he's one of the best volume strikers,

1477
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:49,320
Speaker 3: best combination strikers that has sneaky power in those uh,

1478
01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:52,800
Speaker 3: those those volume strikes because you know he changes the

1479
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:55,680
Speaker 3: temple on those those those volume strikes, so sometimes it

1480
01:04:55,760 --> 01:04:58,280
Speaker 3: come fast, sometimes it comes harder, and he does that

1481
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:01,240
Speaker 3: really well. So it's really hard to tell, you know,

1482
01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:03,840
Speaker 3: if he's going to have the power to put out

1483
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:07,600
Speaker 3: a Jake Paul. But I would say Jake will have

1484
01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:10,400
Speaker 3: the advantage with the size, and I think that Diaz

1485
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:12,360
Speaker 3: is gonna have to be able to fight from a

1486
01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:14,560
Speaker 3: different kind of way and bring the fight in a

1487
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:16,800
Speaker 3: different kind of element in order to get the win.

1488
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:18,600
Speaker 3: If he does get the fight, and by a different

1489
01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:20,960
Speaker 3: kind of element I'm talking about, he's going to have

1490
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:24,360
Speaker 3: to utilize the grappling aspect and the clinch, you know,

1491
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:27,440
Speaker 3: punching them up, frustrating Jake, making him make those kind

1492
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:30,680
Speaker 3: of mistakes from a very just a point.

1493
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:33,240
Speaker 2: Of view where he's not used to, where it's not boxing,

1494
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:33,680
Speaker 2: you know.

1495
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:35,880
Speaker 3: And I feel like a lot of the guys, well

1496
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:40,160
Speaker 3: Tyron Willy, I don't think he used enough of what

1497
01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:43,240
Speaker 3: we do in MMA. Will just tie up and grapple

1498
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:45,400
Speaker 3: and really make him work out of that and really

1499
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:47,040
Speaker 3: strike from that position afterwards.

1500
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:49,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then push him along the ropes as well

1501
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:49,840
Speaker 1: or into the court.

1502
01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:53,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got to beat him up. You gotta beat

1503
01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:53,360
Speaker 2: him up.

1504
01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:58,760
Speaker 3: This is like boxing, there's boxing and then there's a fight.

1505
01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:01,320
Speaker 3: Aspect of boxing, you know, you can't go in there

1506
01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:03,640
Speaker 3: and box with the box and think you're gonna win.

1507
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:05,919
Speaker 2: You gotta fight. You gotta make it a fight.

1508
01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:08,640
Speaker 3: And the difference between a fight is when you fight,

1509
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:12,320
Speaker 3: you engage emotion. You engage emotion. Somebody hits you in

1510
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:14,120
Speaker 3: the face, you want to hit him back. But when

1511
01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:17,320
Speaker 3: you're hitting him back, you're not thinking technically speaking, You're

1512
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:20,440
Speaker 3: just going with it. And that's where the vulnerability comes

1513
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:21,280
Speaker 3: when you make it a.

1514
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:24,120
Speaker 1: Fight, no doubt about it. Yeah, I love the fight

1515
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:26,120
Speaker 1: between Jake Paul and a Diaz in part because I

1516
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:28,760
Speaker 1: think it's a competitive fight, right. I think that they're

1517
01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:31,720
Speaker 1: actually a good match for each other. There's reasons to

1518
01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:33,480
Speaker 1: think that Nate might win. But again to your point,

1519
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:35,880
Speaker 1: like Jake Scott obviously much more pro boxing experience. You

1520
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:37,280
Speaker 1: can say what you want about it, but he does

1521
01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:39,440
Speaker 1: and he's bigger. We see what he I mean, he

1522
01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:41,520
Speaker 1: one shot at Woodley, like I don't think I've ever

1523
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:43,200
Speaker 1: seen anyone do that to Wody and not even Nate

1524
01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:45,520
Speaker 1: mark Ward did him that way with the same kind

1525
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:47,760
Speaker 1: of punch anyway, So we obviously can thump. He can

1526
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:49,600
Speaker 1: thump a little bit, and I like that. And by

1527
01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:54,000
Speaker 1: the way, that'd be a huge fight. It would sell Gangbusters.

1528
01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:56,560
Speaker 1: That to me makes sense. The rock Mount thing, everything

1529
01:06:56,600 --> 01:07:00,320
Speaker 1: about it just seemed rushed. It just didn't really work.

1530
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:02,600
Speaker 1: So we'll see what happens going forward.

1531
01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:05,680
Speaker 3: But you know, whether a little bit on this though,

1532
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:10,880
Speaker 3: Like I feel like who who's ever managing Jake really

1533
01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:14,080
Speaker 3: has to understand that this is where his bread is

1534
01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:17,920
Speaker 3: buttered with with these fights with guys like Nate Diaz

1535
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:22,480
Speaker 3: and Tyron Willy. You're not he's boxing, but he can't.

1536
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:25,960
Speaker 3: I can't say he can't, but this is not what

1537
01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:29,240
Speaker 3: he's doing. He's doing something totally different, and I feel

1538
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:33,400
Speaker 3: like his team really has to truly understand that part

1539
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:34,840
Speaker 3: of it. Of Course, he want to go and make

1540
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:37,160
Speaker 3: sure that, you know, get the respect in the boxing world.

1541
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:39,320
Speaker 2: But at the same time, this is the kind of

1542
01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:41,760
Speaker 2: fights that he needs. He needs these kind of blockbuster fights.

1543
01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:43,880
Speaker 2: This is what the people want to see.

1544
01:07:44,120 --> 01:07:46,560
Speaker 1: No doubt about it. Again, I think that will do really,

1545
01:07:46,560 --> 01:07:49,200
Speaker 1: really well. It's competitive, it's hard to know who might win.

1546
01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:51,600
Speaker 1: I hope they make it, I really do. I think

1547
01:07:51,600 --> 01:07:53,600
Speaker 1: it'd be good for Nate to get a giant payday

1548
01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:56,640
Speaker 1: that way as well. Those those are the kind of

1549
01:07:56,680 --> 01:07:58,240
Speaker 1: fights I think that makes sense right now. And listen,

1550
01:07:58,240 --> 01:07:59,480
Speaker 1: if he goes in there and he beats the shit

1551
01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:02,560
Speaker 1: out of NATed, whether we think that's likely or not, Yeah, okay,

1552
01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:05,480
Speaker 1: then let's see him ratchet it up against some guys

1553
01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:07,840
Speaker 1: who've got some real pro boxing experience. But I think,

1554
01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:10,840
Speaker 1: you know, given what we've seen against Woodley, he's making improvements.

1555
01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:12,520
Speaker 1: I did a tape study on him. I don't know

1556
01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:14,160
Speaker 1: if we're gonna put it out or not. I'll just

1557
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:16,479
Speaker 1: kind of tell the public that my bosses at CBS

1558
01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:18,200
Speaker 1: were like, hey, we need you to do a tape

1559
01:08:18,200 --> 01:08:20,679
Speaker 1: study on Jake Paul and I was like, okay, I'll

1560
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:23,240
Speaker 1: do it. So I did it, and I noticed there

1561
01:08:23,320 --> 01:08:25,439
Speaker 1: was a lot of differences between the first and second

1562
01:08:25,479 --> 01:08:27,280
Speaker 1: fight that were really cleaned up. He actually did do

1563
01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:29,280
Speaker 1: a lot of things that were better, but there were

1564
01:08:29,320 --> 01:08:31,760
Speaker 1: still some problems that lingered all the way through. And

1565
01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:35,040
Speaker 1: it's like he's still at a point Rashad where like,

1566
01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:39,120
Speaker 1: you know, and it's understandable, what does he have five fights?

1567
01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:41,760
Speaker 1: How good are you supposed to be after five? You're

1568
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:43,599
Speaker 1: supposed to not be that great. You're supposed to be,

1569
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:46,080
Speaker 1: you know, still working on shit. Yeah, it's like if

1570
01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:47,840
Speaker 1: you're still in the stage where you're still working on

1571
01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:50,559
Speaker 1: shit like that, take the guys, Take the fights that

1572
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:53,280
Speaker 1: make the most sense for you given that development. Again,

1573
01:08:53,360 --> 01:08:55,559
Speaker 1: it just goes back to the conversation, how do you

1574
01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:59,400
Speaker 1: do that and then sell, you know, as a headliner

1575
01:08:59,439 --> 01:09:01,639
Speaker 1: in the biggest and using the world. It's not easy

1576
01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:03,880
Speaker 1: to do. It's not easy to do. Nate Diaz gets

1577
01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:06,799
Speaker 1: that done. Not many guys can, by the way, lasting

1578
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:09,280
Speaker 1: on this, do you like a fight between Jake and

1579
01:09:09,280 --> 01:09:11,160
Speaker 1: Anderson Silva?

1580
01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:15,200
Speaker 2: I mean, I like it for Anderson Silva. I don't

1581
01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:18,400
Speaker 2: necessarily like it for Jake. I think that, you know,

1582
01:09:19,280 --> 01:09:20,400
Speaker 2: it would be another great fight.

1583
01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:22,400
Speaker 3: I think that people want to see it, but I

1584
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:26,439
Speaker 3: feel like when it comes to it, you know, it's

1585
01:09:26,479 --> 01:09:29,280
Speaker 3: one of those fights where if Jake goes in there

1586
01:09:29,360 --> 01:09:31,360
Speaker 3: and he stumbles a bit and he doesn't look as

1587
01:09:31,360 --> 01:09:33,840
Speaker 3: good as he can look, or good as he people

1588
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:37,640
Speaker 3: think he should look against a forty three year old man,

1589
01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:39,360
Speaker 3: then I think it kind of just kind of takes

1590
01:09:39,400 --> 01:09:42,320
Speaker 3: away from everything else that he's trying to do. I mean,

1591
01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:45,080
Speaker 3: granted is Anderson Silva. But for a lot of the

1592
01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:48,400
Speaker 3: people that that follow Jake Paul, they don't really understand

1593
01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:51,680
Speaker 3: the legacy of Anderson Silva. So for them, they're to

1594
01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:54,320
Speaker 3: see him getting you know, a close matcher, even beat

1595
01:09:54,360 --> 01:09:56,639
Speaker 3: by a forty three year old man, so they become

1596
01:09:56,720 --> 01:09:59,840
Speaker 3: they may not you know, may fall off the bandwagon.

1597
01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:03,800
Speaker 3: So I think that you know, it's an mma, and

1598
01:10:03,800 --> 01:10:06,519
Speaker 3: it's kind of same fall in the same kind of formula,

1599
01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:09,320
Speaker 3: but it's a lot risk here.

1600
01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:13,880
Speaker 1: I just got to say, I will if he fights

1601
01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:17,240
Speaker 1: Anderson Silva and he beats Silva, he would very much

1602
01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:19,640
Speaker 1: have my respect for that. I think Silva is not

1603
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:22,639
Speaker 1: easy to beat at all. Yeah, exactly like you do that.

1604
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:27,040
Speaker 1: That's I take my proverbial hat off to you at

1605
01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:28,760
Speaker 1: that point. All right, last, but not least. I'm not

1606
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:31,040
Speaker 1: sure if you had a chance to check it out here, Rasha,

1607
01:10:31,160 --> 01:10:34,400
Speaker 1: but I was at the Barclay Center for showtime on

1608
01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:37,519
Speaker 1: Saturday night and Danny Garcia, who was a world champion

1609
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:40,400
Speaker 1: at one hundred and forty pounds and then another world

1610
01:10:40,439 --> 01:10:43,599
Speaker 1: champion at one hundred and forty seven pounds, took about

1611
01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:47,759
Speaker 1: two years off, came back bumped up to one fifty

1612
01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:51,040
Speaker 1: four and took on Jose Benavidez Junior in the main

1613
01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:55,960
Speaker 1: event of Showtime Championship Boxing. Dude, first of all, I

1614
01:10:56,080 --> 01:10:58,000
Speaker 1: just got to say one thing, Rasha before I get

1615
01:10:58,040 --> 01:11:01,720
Speaker 1: your thoughts on this. The scorecard blew my fucking mind. Now,

1616
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:05,160
Speaker 1: there was one that was one seventeen, one eleven, no problem.

1617
01:11:05,240 --> 01:11:08,000
Speaker 1: I understand that. There was one that was one sixteen,

1618
01:11:08,040 --> 01:11:12,680
Speaker 1: one twelve, which I don't love, but I'll tolerate, and

1619
01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:16,120
Speaker 1: I'll tolerate it. There was one that was one fourteen,

1620
01:11:16,240 --> 01:11:23,960
Speaker 1: that one fourteen, Rashad, there were maybe maybe two rounds

1621
01:11:24,479 --> 01:11:27,320
Speaker 1: you could give to Jose Benavidez Junior. There was one

1622
01:11:27,320 --> 01:11:28,920
Speaker 1: you could probably give him no problem, which was the

1623
01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:31,680
Speaker 1: ninth round, and maybe another one in the third of

1624
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:34,880
Speaker 1: the fourth that you could give him. That is it.

1625
01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:38,400
Speaker 1: That is it. And one of the judges, Roll Dan,

1626
01:11:39,200 --> 01:11:44,800
Speaker 1: had it one fourteen, one fourteen, a fucking draw that

1627
01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:47,479
Speaker 1: I just don't even know what to say to something

1628
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:50,400
Speaker 1: like that. I mean, it wasn't like Benavitez Junior got

1629
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:52,960
Speaker 1: his ass kicked, like he got dropped and he was

1630
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:55,240
Speaker 1: bloody and you know, barely hanging off for dear life.

1631
01:11:55,680 --> 01:11:59,879
Speaker 1: But he got out boxed. He got out boxed thoroughly

1632
01:12:00,479 --> 01:12:03,200
Speaker 1: by Danny Garcia. I will tell you for all the

1633
01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:06,719
Speaker 1: complaining that we do about the scoring criteria and MMA

1634
01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:09,920
Speaker 1: and the judges don't get it right, here was a

1635
01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:14,880
Speaker 1: case that was a fucking layup for the judges and

1636
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:17,439
Speaker 1: one of them had it on fourteen one fourteen. I

1637
01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:19,320
Speaker 1: don't know if you remember this. For Shad, I covered

1638
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:21,920
Speaker 1: Mayweather Canelo live in person. Do you remember the CJ.

1639
01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:24,880
Speaker 1: Ross scorecard they had that want to draw as well?

1640
01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:27,160
Speaker 1: And Mayweather was like, what the fuck are you talking about?

1641
01:12:27,479 --> 01:12:30,200
Speaker 1: That was how I felt watching that that night. So

1642
01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:32,240
Speaker 1: my only question to you, or I guess my only

1643
01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:35,000
Speaker 1: point would be for all of our belly aching and

1644
01:12:35,120 --> 01:12:39,000
Speaker 1: MMA boxing's been around much longer, they got much more

1645
01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:41,240
Speaker 1: of an opportunity to figure this all out, and they

1646
01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:46,480
Speaker 1: still turn in scorecards like this. It is frustrating.

1647
01:12:47,240 --> 01:12:49,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, it really, it really is. Man, And I know

1648
01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:51,000
Speaker 3: what you mean. I've seen a fight as well. You know,

1649
01:12:51,040 --> 01:12:54,840
Speaker 3: I thought that, you know, I thought that Benavitaz did

1650
01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:58,160
Speaker 3: a decent job of doing a style that he does.

1651
01:12:58,200 --> 01:12:59,960
Speaker 3: You know, he has a kind of MANI pack out

1652
01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:01,760
Speaker 3: style where he kind of jumps in and he does

1653
01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:05,640
Speaker 3: the you know, the the odd angle punches and you

1654
01:13:05,680 --> 01:13:09,760
Speaker 3: know that very aggressive counter striking, which is which is

1655
01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:12,640
Speaker 3: very hard you know, to really box with. But I

1656
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:15,680
Speaker 3: thought that Danny did a really good job of utilizing

1657
01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:19,160
Speaker 3: that job and really kind of you know, making Benavita's

1658
01:13:19,240 --> 01:13:20,680
Speaker 3: kind of slowed down a little bit and giving a

1659
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:22,720
Speaker 3: pause so that way he wasn't able to just kind

1660
01:13:22,720 --> 01:13:25,400
Speaker 3: of you know, run away with that.

1661
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:25,559
Speaker 2: That that style.

1662
01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:29,280
Speaker 3: But I feel like the judges may have seen because

1663
01:13:29,320 --> 01:13:30,679
Speaker 3: when I was watching a fight.

1664
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:34,400
Speaker 2: I did see that Garcia was the better boxer. But

1665
01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:38,160
Speaker 2: when I when I was hearing the punches, it kind

1666
01:13:38,160 --> 01:13:40,800
Speaker 2: of sounded like ben Evita's punches were hitting it with

1667
01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:44,559
Speaker 2: a little bit more base, and and they were seeming

1668
01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:46,800
Speaker 2: like they're a little bit more effective because they're hitting

1669
01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:49,320
Speaker 2: a little bit more bass. But you know, I didn't

1670
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:52,799
Speaker 2: feel like he was landing enough of them or imposing

1671
01:13:52,840 --> 01:13:54,880
Speaker 2: his will enough for them to really matter on a

1672
01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:57,800
Speaker 2: judge's scorecards to even warrant, you know, to be.

1673
01:13:57,880 --> 01:13:59,679
Speaker 3: You know, him winning more than a couple of rounds.

1674
01:13:59,720 --> 01:14:03,559
Speaker 3: But I feel like, you know, one thing I did

1675
01:14:03,560 --> 01:14:06,840
Speaker 3: see though, I felt as if, like Danny Garcia, he's

1676
01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:07,920
Speaker 3: gonna fight his way class.

1677
01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:10,320
Speaker 2: He's got to get bigger because I don't feel like

1678
01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:13,000
Speaker 2: his power, his power carried, you know, I felt like

1679
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:15,960
Speaker 2: he was still the better boxer, but I don't feel

1680
01:14:15,960 --> 01:14:17,760
Speaker 2: like the power that he needs to fight at this

1681
01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:18,639
Speaker 2: way class carried.

1682
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:20,640
Speaker 1: You know. It's so funny. I'm glad you brought that up.

1683
01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:22,760
Speaker 1: So I was there. So for example, I think it

1684
01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:25,760
Speaker 1: was on the Mayweather Canelo it was on the main car,

1685
01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:28,840
Speaker 1: but it was under Mayweather Canelo. Danny Garcia one hundred

1686
01:14:28,840 --> 01:14:31,800
Speaker 1: and forty pounds fought Lucas Matissa and at the time,

1687
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:37,519
Speaker 1: Lucas Matisse was this like super feared, heavy, dominant puncher

1688
01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:40,479
Speaker 1: from Argentina. I mean, he was fucking people up left

1689
01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:43,040
Speaker 1: and right, and they had the odds makers had Metisa

1690
01:14:43,120 --> 01:14:46,200
Speaker 1: as the favorite heading into that contest. And I remember

1691
01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:49,280
Speaker 1: Danny Garcia's dad, Angel Garcia, gets up there at the

1692
01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:52,400
Speaker 1: media conference and was like, the writers don't know nothing,

1693
01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:56,200
Speaker 1: Vegas don't know nothing. I know everything. And sure enough,

1694
01:14:56,240 --> 01:14:58,599
Speaker 1: Danny Garcia went out there and one, at one hundred

1695
01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:01,719
Speaker 1: and forty pounds, Garcia was in people's lights out a lot.

1696
01:15:01,800 --> 01:15:04,479
Speaker 1: He could thump, no doubt about it. One forty seven.

1697
01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:07,000
Speaker 1: Not as much, not as much. But he was definitely

1698
01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:09,639
Speaker 1: he was definitely you know, he had some decent artillery.

1699
01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:11,840
Speaker 1: I agree with you here. You can look on the

1700
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:14,280
Speaker 1: screen and look at the highlights. You know, Benavidez wasn't

1701
01:15:14,320 --> 01:15:15,880
Speaker 1: able to get off much for folks who man. I

1702
01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:17,400
Speaker 1: know he was shot in the leg and I think

1703
01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:19,400
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen or twenty sixteen. It really fucked up his

1704
01:15:19,439 --> 01:15:21,800
Speaker 1: mobility and I think that plays a big part in

1705
01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:24,880
Speaker 1: the in the way in which his style has turned into.

1706
01:15:25,040 --> 01:15:27,679
Speaker 1: But look at the height difference, look at the frame difference.

1707
01:15:28,040 --> 01:15:30,360
Speaker 1: I agree with you. Like Danny Garcia, you would agree

1708
01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:32,240
Speaker 1: with this baby for shot. If not, tell me I'm wrong.

1709
01:15:32,840 --> 01:15:34,879
Speaker 1: He was light on his feet and he was mobile,

1710
01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:37,200
Speaker 1: and that was good. That was definitely something he needed,

1711
01:15:37,240 --> 01:15:40,080
Speaker 1: and he was showing great. Cardio barely had a scratch

1712
01:15:40,160 --> 01:15:41,599
Speaker 1: on his face, like he looked great by the end

1713
01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:44,280
Speaker 1: of the fight. I didn't see evidence of a lot

1714
01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:46,360
Speaker 1: of pop. And in boxing, when you don't have a

1715
01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:48,599
Speaker 1: lot of other things to go to, there are no takedowns,

1716
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:50,360
Speaker 1: there are no arm bars, there are no back takes.

1717
01:15:50,360 --> 01:15:54,240
Speaker 1: Whatever pop really matters depending on your style one p.

1718
01:15:54,320 --> 01:15:56,519
Speaker 1: Fifty four like, for example, who's the guy in this

1719
01:15:56,560 --> 01:16:00,519
Speaker 1: weight class that has all the belts, Dramel Charlow, all

1720
01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:02,880
Speaker 1: four of them. He's the under that dude can pop.

1721
01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:05,639
Speaker 1: I mean, he's got some thunder and lightning between them.

1722
01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:07,719
Speaker 1: You want to go up against a guy like that, dude,

1723
01:16:07,720 --> 01:16:09,280
Speaker 1: you need to be able to put something on him

1724
01:16:09,479 --> 01:16:11,799
Speaker 1: that can deter him. This is one of the problems.

1725
01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:14,559
Speaker 1: He could not keep Benavidez off of him in that way.

1726
01:16:14,760 --> 01:16:15,960
Speaker 1: True false, No.

1727
01:16:16,760 --> 01:16:18,920
Speaker 3: And that's what that's what made me believe that. You know,

1728
01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:21,400
Speaker 3: he's he's too small for the weight class. He needs

1729
01:16:21,400 --> 01:16:22,640
Speaker 3: to do a little bit something if he's going to

1730
01:16:22,680 --> 01:16:25,479
Speaker 3: stay in his weight class to to to really uh,

1731
01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:27,439
Speaker 3: you know, to prove it. I may not prove himself,

1732
01:16:27,439 --> 01:16:29,600
Speaker 3: but just really, uh, you know, give an account for

1733
01:16:29,680 --> 01:16:32,360
Speaker 3: himself when it comes to just size, because I don't

1734
01:16:32,360 --> 01:16:35,559
Speaker 3: see him standing up to the bigger punches, the better movers,

1735
01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:38,080
Speaker 3: you know, all the better boxers. You know, because you

1736
01:16:38,120 --> 01:16:39,680
Speaker 3: know what happens when you go against somebody who's a

1737
01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:41,880
Speaker 3: better box than himself. You know, then it's not then

1738
01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:44,080
Speaker 3: it's not so much about you know, the box and

1739
01:16:44,240 --> 01:16:46,080
Speaker 3: he's gonna get out box and he's gonna get hit

1740
01:16:46,080 --> 01:16:48,360
Speaker 3: harder too, with the power, so he's got to be

1741
01:16:48,400 --> 01:16:51,559
Speaker 3: able to find a way to uh, you know, get bigger,

1742
01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:54,360
Speaker 3: you know, lift some weights and uh, you know, just

1743
01:16:54,360 --> 01:16:56,400
Speaker 3: just if he's going to stand his weight class. But

1744
01:16:56,840 --> 01:17:00,880
Speaker 3: I feel like the biggest win for Garcia in his

1745
01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:04,960
Speaker 3: fight was being able to just complete this fight. You know,

1746
01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:08,040
Speaker 3: after the fight was over, he talked about very emotional

1747
01:17:08,240 --> 01:17:11,599
Speaker 3: speaking about, you know, what he's been through in order

1748
01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:15,160
Speaker 3: to get to this fight, and it kind of touched

1749
01:17:15,200 --> 01:17:18,320
Speaker 3: me because as an athlete, I understand what that's like.

1750
01:17:18,400 --> 01:17:20,320
Speaker 3: I understand what it's like going into the fight with

1751
01:17:20,360 --> 01:17:22,600
Speaker 3: those kind of you know, feelings and being able to

1752
01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:24,559
Speaker 3: kind of put it on the back burner in order

1753
01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:26,640
Speaker 3: to go out there and put things together for a

1754
01:17:26,680 --> 01:17:28,680
Speaker 3: fight and really perform at the level that you want

1755
01:17:28,720 --> 01:17:32,040
Speaker 3: to perform at. So I do, you know, hats off

1756
01:17:32,080 --> 01:17:34,360
Speaker 3: and credit to him. And I feel like because he

1757
01:17:34,479 --> 01:17:36,920
Speaker 3: spoke on that, you know, I feel like it gives

1758
01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:39,559
Speaker 3: other fighters who may be dealing with something like that

1759
01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:42,599
Speaker 3: a road map to follow, because back in the day

1760
01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:45,720
Speaker 3: when I was fighting, to even talk like that, to

1761
01:17:45,760 --> 01:17:48,000
Speaker 3: even be you know, talk about how you feel in

1762
01:17:48,120 --> 01:17:50,800
Speaker 3: being a nervous or afraid or have an anxiety or

1763
01:17:50,840 --> 01:17:52,840
Speaker 3: just all the you know, depression and all the things

1764
01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:56,840
Speaker 3: that happens as an athlete. You know, it was looked

1765
01:17:56,880 --> 01:17:59,840
Speaker 3: at as weakness, but it's good to see that he's

1766
01:18:00,160 --> 01:18:03,000
Speaker 3: you know, found the words and more important than you,

1767
01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:06,200
Speaker 3: found a belief in himself that make it through those

1768
01:18:06,320 --> 01:18:08,000
Speaker 3: tough mental issues.

1769
01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:09,880
Speaker 1: I'm so glad you brought that up because i mean,

1770
01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:11,400
Speaker 1: if you look at his resume, he's a two weight

1771
01:18:11,439 --> 01:18:15,639
Speaker 1: world champion. He wants to be three. There is an

1772
01:18:15,720 --> 01:18:19,040
Speaker 1: argument inside boxing that he's right now maybe on the

1773
01:18:19,080 --> 01:18:21,400
Speaker 1: bubble of the Hall of Fame, Like it's not clear

1774
01:18:21,439 --> 01:18:23,519
Speaker 1: if he's like a shoe in candidate. He might get in,

1775
01:18:23,560 --> 01:18:25,280
Speaker 1: he might not. It's kind of hard to say. But

1776
01:18:25,320 --> 01:18:27,280
Speaker 1: if you got a third title in the third weight class,

1777
01:18:27,720 --> 01:18:30,479
Speaker 1: that would that would you know, probably solidify his chances

1778
01:18:30,520 --> 01:18:33,760
Speaker 1: at that point. But obviously he was you know, he

1779
01:18:33,800 --> 01:18:35,960
Speaker 1: wasn't losing to chumps at one hundred and forty seven

1780
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:38,639
Speaker 1: pounds at Aarrol Spence, Keith Thurman and Sean Porter. These

1781
01:18:38,680 --> 01:18:40,439
Speaker 1: are good fighters. But it kind of put his career

1782
01:18:40,439 --> 01:18:43,920
Speaker 1: in like, Okay, you can't beat those guys who can

1783
01:18:43,960 --> 01:18:45,519
Speaker 1: you beat? So he wants to go to one fifty

1784
01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:48,240
Speaker 1: four and he took all this time off, nineteen months

1785
01:18:48,280 --> 01:18:51,679
Speaker 1: and everything else, and he cried basically when he spoke

1786
01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:54,320
Speaker 1: to Jim Gray, but he was letting out that anxiety.

1787
01:18:54,520 --> 01:18:57,200
Speaker 1: I'm wondering either you've seen or maybe you experienced it

1788
01:18:57,640 --> 01:19:01,519
Speaker 1: not from a loss. Have you seen someone cry in

1789
01:19:01,680 --> 01:19:04,439
Speaker 1: m m A as they let out all of the

1790
01:19:04,479 --> 01:19:07,160
Speaker 1: stuff they were holding in after a win.

1791
01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:12,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I've I've I've I've felt that way myself.

1792
01:19:12,240 --> 01:19:14,920
Speaker 3: I felt I felt that way before. You know, I

1793
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:18,200
Speaker 3: may not have cried on camera, but but you know

1794
01:19:18,360 --> 01:19:21,639
Speaker 3: in the back room, I've definitely cried and just kind

1795
01:19:21,640 --> 01:19:24,639
Speaker 3: of let out that emotional release. And it's a crazy

1796
01:19:24,680 --> 01:19:29,280
Speaker 3: feeling because you know they're they're the doubt is there,

1797
01:19:29,400 --> 01:19:34,240
Speaker 3: you know, the fear is there, and just when you're

1798
01:19:34,240 --> 01:19:39,759
Speaker 3: feeling dealing with feelings of depression, it's very hard because

1799
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:43,680
Speaker 3: until you really got bit by that agree that that depression,

1800
01:19:44,200 --> 01:19:46,599
Speaker 3: you don't really truly understand it and you don't really

1801
01:19:46,720 --> 01:19:49,240
Speaker 3: understand how hard it is to shake. It's not just

1802
01:19:49,280 --> 01:19:51,719
Speaker 3: like something you can just kind of snap your fingers

1803
01:19:51,720 --> 01:19:53,960
Speaker 3: and get it over with. You got to go through

1804
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:56,880
Speaker 3: it and going through it is the hardest part about

1805
01:19:56,880 --> 01:19:59,280
Speaker 3: it because you don't want to feel like that. But

1806
01:19:59,680 --> 01:20:03,360
Speaker 3: going through it and feeling like that is the road

1807
01:20:03,479 --> 01:20:07,120
Speaker 3: to getting back. But being able to put those shoulders,

1808
01:20:07,240 --> 01:20:10,599
Speaker 3: put those feelings on your shoulders and go in there

1809
01:20:10,680 --> 01:20:13,200
Speaker 3: and fight and execute and then come out on the

1810
01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:16,479
Speaker 3: other side. It's definitely you know, a cap and a

1811
01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:19,040
Speaker 3: feather and really let you know that, you know what.

1812
01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:20,519
Speaker 2: I can make it through this. I can make it

1813
01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:21,160
Speaker 2: through anything.

1814
01:20:21,240 --> 01:20:23,920
Speaker 3: So I feel like this fight was hugely important for him,

1815
01:20:24,160 --> 01:20:26,840
Speaker 3: and you know what, you know, I think maybe he

1816
01:20:26,920 --> 01:20:29,559
Speaker 3: may even go back down to one forty seven because

1817
01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:31,960
Speaker 3: maybe this fight need to be at one fifty four,

1818
01:20:32,439 --> 01:20:34,720
Speaker 3: just for a lot of other reasons rather than you

1819
01:20:34,760 --> 01:20:36,960
Speaker 3: know the fact that he couldn't beat anybody at one

1820
01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:40,320
Speaker 3: forty seven, or not anybody but just the the top guys.

1821
01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:42,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was actually talking about some catchway fights he

1822
01:20:42,760 --> 01:20:44,439
Speaker 1: might take as well. He wants some big fights. He

1823
01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:46,360
Speaker 1: certainly earned him in his career. He's had a great career.

1824
01:20:47,160 --> 01:20:48,760
Speaker 1: It's just he's at a point now where it's like,

1825
01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:50,720
Speaker 1: what else can you do? He's trying to figure it out.

1826
01:20:50,720 --> 01:20:53,320
Speaker 1: But took nineteen months off, came back, look good and

1827
01:20:53,400 --> 01:20:55,559
Speaker 1: let it all out. I you know, it was very

1828
01:20:55,880 --> 01:20:58,920
Speaker 1: commendable performance all the way around, truly from a real

1829
01:21:00,040 --> 01:21:02,120
Speaker 1: I don't say this too. One of the most underrated

1830
01:21:02,160 --> 01:21:04,519
Speaker 1: chins in boxing for Benny Garcia. He's take a huge

1831
01:21:04,560 --> 01:21:06,679
Speaker 1: tin and I feel like he's a little bit underrated

1832
01:21:06,680 --> 01:21:08,400
Speaker 1: because you know, you lost to Eryl Spence. Okay, you're

1833
01:21:08,400 --> 01:21:11,519
Speaker 1: not erl Spence. But the Thurman fight, he on one

1834
01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:14,000
Speaker 1: of the judges scorecards, he had seven rounds, like you know,

1835
01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:16,280
Speaker 1: it was a split decision he was. I mean, you

1836
01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:18,720
Speaker 1: just think about it. A couple more rounds go your

1837
01:21:18,760 --> 01:21:21,280
Speaker 1: way in the judge of scorecards and you beat Thurman.

1838
01:21:21,479 --> 01:21:23,320
Speaker 1: I think that fight was on CBS at the time.

1839
01:21:24,040 --> 01:21:26,320
Speaker 1: You know, the whole thing could have gone in a

1840
01:21:26,320 --> 01:21:29,400
Speaker 1: different direction, right, Yeah, but it didn't. And so he

1841
01:21:29,479 --> 01:21:31,080
Speaker 1: now went into the one he's in and he's trying

1842
01:21:31,080 --> 01:21:33,280
Speaker 1: to make the best of it. It's fucking hard, man,

1843
01:21:33,439 --> 01:21:36,559
Speaker 1: that's really hard, and he was wearing it. So I

1844
01:21:36,600 --> 01:21:38,640
Speaker 1: really I'm impressed by what he was able to turn in.

1845
01:21:39,400 --> 01:21:41,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think also, you know, being able to

1846
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:45,120
Speaker 3: work through this mental issue and stuff like that, it

1847
01:21:45,160 --> 01:21:47,320
Speaker 3: may give him the confidence that he needs and believe

1848
01:21:47,360 --> 01:21:49,760
Speaker 3: in himself that he needs in order to go back

1849
01:21:50,080 --> 01:21:53,360
Speaker 3: at one forty seven and give it another crick fighting

1850
01:21:53,439 --> 01:21:55,880
Speaker 3: those guys, Because like you said, I mean, I feel

1851
01:21:55,880 --> 01:21:59,280
Speaker 3: like for me, it's like this, if he's gonna have

1852
01:21:59,280 --> 01:22:01,720
Speaker 3: to squeeze some juice in order to get, you know,

1853
01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:04,120
Speaker 3: whatever he needs, whatever he's going to get to make

1854
01:22:04,120 --> 01:22:06,080
Speaker 3: the best of himself. At one fifty four, he's gonna

1855
01:22:06,120 --> 01:22:07,800
Speaker 3: have to look weights, he's gonna have to do a

1856
01:22:07,840 --> 01:22:11,000
Speaker 3: lot of extra effort in order to be a competitor,

1857
01:22:11,080 --> 01:22:14,719
Speaker 3: a serious competitor. At one fifty four, Well, why won't

1858
01:22:14,720 --> 01:22:16,639
Speaker 3: he just do that and stay at one forty seven

1859
01:22:16,640 --> 01:22:19,120
Speaker 3: Because I feel like if you squeaied the same juice,

1860
01:22:19,120 --> 01:22:21,960
Speaker 3: his efforts will go a lot further in one forty seven.

1861
01:22:22,040 --> 01:22:23,400
Speaker 3: And I think he had to do a lot better

1862
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:26,920
Speaker 3: with those same efforts, So you know, I feel like

1863
01:22:26,920 --> 01:22:28,400
Speaker 3: one forty seven is where he needs to be.

1864
01:22:29,040 --> 01:22:31,720
Speaker 1: We shall see, we shall see. Okay, that is it

1865
01:22:31,800 --> 01:22:33,800
Speaker 1: for our top five topics. But now the readers, or

1866
01:22:33,800 --> 01:22:35,840
Speaker 1: I should say the readers, the viewers get to weigh in.

1867
01:22:36,160 --> 01:22:38,400
Speaker 1: We put up an Instagram post every Sunday on the

1868
01:22:38,400 --> 01:22:41,400
Speaker 1: Morning Combat account. You guys filled up the producers pick them.

1869
01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:46,920
Speaker 1: It is time for dms from duncs B to mom Bomp.

1870
01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:49,040
Speaker 1: I don't know if I have them here in my email,

1871
01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:50,920
Speaker 1: but I can just read them off the screen. No

1872
01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:53,040
Speaker 1: big deal. All right, let's throw my pair of boys

1873
01:22:53,040 --> 01:22:56,360
Speaker 1: and see what we got. Let us see, Okay, first

1874
01:22:56,400 --> 01:22:59,160
Speaker 1: one from Madman four, five, six, seven, eight seven. Who

1875
01:22:59,200 --> 01:23:01,040
Speaker 1: the fuck picks these names? I'm just gonna put random

1876
01:23:01,120 --> 01:23:05,160
Speaker 1: integers next to each other, all right. Now, there were

1877
01:23:05,240 --> 01:23:07,120
Speaker 1: some moments. Now listen, I'm not here to beat up

1878
01:23:07,160 --> 01:23:09,280
Speaker 1: on profighters, especially after they had like a you know,

1879
01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:12,200
Speaker 1: a tough a tough fight and a tough loss. But okay,

1880
01:23:12,280 --> 01:23:16,080
Speaker 1: Paanya's arms out to hear Man. The elbows flared, you know,

1881
01:23:16,280 --> 01:23:19,280
Speaker 1: way outside. So the question is pain is boxing worse

1882
01:23:19,320 --> 01:23:21,599
Speaker 1: than ben Askerin's. The answer is no, because she also

1883
01:23:21,640 --> 01:23:23,400
Speaker 1: had the dip jab that got her a great success

1884
01:23:23,400 --> 01:23:25,400
Speaker 1: in the first one. But I will say it is

1885
01:23:25,439 --> 01:23:28,320
Speaker 1: weird to see an experienced fighter right this long inner

1886
01:23:28,320 --> 01:23:31,320
Speaker 1: to her career elbows out here when she throws punches.

1887
01:23:31,360 --> 01:23:33,200
Speaker 1: It's just mechanically inefficient for shot.

1888
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:36,920
Speaker 3: No, it is, but you know, you know that that's

1889
01:23:36,960 --> 01:23:39,800
Speaker 3: part of that's part of her her progression where she

1890
01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:42,160
Speaker 3: needs to grow at, you know, and shows how much

1891
01:23:42,200 --> 01:23:47,519
Speaker 3: he still can grow and and listen, it's she She's

1892
01:23:47,520 --> 01:23:50,000
Speaker 3: been told that probably over and over again. But it's

1893
01:23:50,040 --> 01:23:52,960
Speaker 3: just like, you know, it's something that she really just

1894
01:23:53,000 --> 01:23:53,760
Speaker 3: has to focus on.

1895
01:23:53,840 --> 01:23:55,439
Speaker 2: And that's what it is. It's like when you start

1896
01:23:55,439 --> 01:23:58,200
Speaker 2: to clean up your technique and just start cleaning up

1897
01:23:58,200 --> 01:24:00,760
Speaker 2: the little last few things on a technique, putting your

1898
01:24:00,760 --> 01:24:03,040
Speaker 2: elbows in, getting your head off to the right spot,

1899
01:24:03,280 --> 01:24:06,599
Speaker 2: having great footwork, and those kind of little little things

1900
01:24:06,640 --> 01:24:07,439
Speaker 2: that go along way.

1901
01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:10,080
Speaker 3: When you start focusing on them, then you started to

1902
01:24:10,400 --> 01:24:13,120
Speaker 3: tap into the mastery of your skill level.

1903
01:24:13,280 --> 01:24:14,920
Speaker 2: And that's what I meant earlier when I said that

1904
01:24:14,960 --> 01:24:18,479
Speaker 2: she hasn't mastered her skill level. When she masters that

1905
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:20,799
Speaker 2: part of the game, she's gonna beat the beast.

1906
01:24:21,840 --> 01:24:27,400
Speaker 1: All right, What do we got next from O'Reilly again?

1907
01:24:27,439 --> 01:24:29,400
Speaker 1: They just love these names and then the numbers behind

1908
01:24:29,479 --> 01:24:31,720
Speaker 1: them seven to four oh two. Has anyone in the

1909
01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:34,479
Speaker 1: history of the UFC shown as much improvement as Brandon

1910
01:24:34,520 --> 01:24:37,640
Speaker 1: Moreno has since his initial run of the UFC. Now,

1911
01:24:37,640 --> 01:24:39,559
Speaker 1: you might recall, for shot he was let go from

1912
01:24:39,640 --> 01:24:43,000
Speaker 1: the UFC, had to kind of rethink things, got back

1913
01:24:43,520 --> 01:24:47,200
Speaker 1: captured a title, lost it, but then recaptured this interim

1914
01:24:47,240 --> 01:24:50,160
Speaker 1: one changed camps. I gotta say, you don't see a

1915
01:24:50,200 --> 01:24:55,200
Speaker 1: lot of guys get cut from UFC come back and

1916
01:24:55,240 --> 01:24:59,400
Speaker 1: become fucking champions. That is super unheard of. What do

1917
01:24:59,439 --> 01:24:59,920
Speaker 1: you make of that?

1918
01:25:01,000 --> 01:25:02,840
Speaker 2: I totally agree. You know, that's the same thing I

1919
01:25:02,840 --> 01:25:03,920
Speaker 2: think when I see this guy.

1920
01:25:03,960 --> 01:25:06,200
Speaker 3: You know, I always seeing him when we went in

1921
01:25:06,240 --> 01:25:09,040
Speaker 3: Mexico City, we following the same card, and just watch

1922
01:25:09,200 --> 01:25:11,840
Speaker 3: him then versus the person he is now. I would

1923
01:25:12,120 --> 01:25:16,840
Speaker 3: never imagine that that little mousey guy, and no disrespect,

1924
01:25:16,920 --> 01:25:18,879
Speaker 3: but he's kind of mousey can turn.

1925
01:25:18,760 --> 01:25:20,800
Speaker 2: Into the animal that he is right now. Like you

1926
01:25:20,800 --> 01:25:23,400
Speaker 2: see him now, there's no mouse in him anymore. He's

1927
01:25:23,439 --> 01:25:26,639
Speaker 2: all lying, walking and watching him walk out, his eyes

1928
01:25:26,680 --> 01:25:30,080
Speaker 2: have changed, his mindsets changed, the way he moves is different.

1929
01:25:30,240 --> 01:25:32,559
Speaker 2: He's the guy who believes in himself, and it just

1930
01:25:32,600 --> 01:25:35,600
Speaker 2: goes to show how when you believe in yourself, you

1931
01:25:35,640 --> 01:25:38,320
Speaker 2: can totally make a complete win eighty and he's done

1932
01:25:38,360 --> 01:25:38,600
Speaker 2: just that.

1933
01:25:39,640 --> 01:25:44,200
Speaker 1: I guess you could say maybe the guys on like

1934
01:25:44,920 --> 01:25:48,240
Speaker 1: season four of The Ultimate Fighter, So for folksman, remember

1935
01:25:48,880 --> 01:25:51,040
Speaker 1: I think that was season four. It was the comeback

1936
01:25:51,120 --> 01:25:54,240
Speaker 1: season I was the one where the finale was terrible.

1937
01:25:54,240 --> 01:25:55,880
Speaker 1: It was Chris Lttle versus Matt Sarah and they had

1938
01:25:55,920 --> 01:25:58,920
Speaker 1: an awful fight. But then Matt Sarah wins the winner

1939
01:25:58,920 --> 01:26:01,000
Speaker 1: there got a title shot, and that was actually how

1940
01:26:01,080 --> 01:26:03,160
Speaker 1: Sarah ended up fighting GSP. As a matter of fact,

1941
01:26:04,080 --> 01:26:06,400
Speaker 1: it's not as dramatic as that, but it's a different era.

1942
01:26:06,560 --> 01:26:08,599
Speaker 1: But I will say Matt Sarah early in his career

1943
01:26:08,640 --> 01:26:12,240
Speaker 1: getting you know, spinning backfisted by Shony Carter and then

1944
01:26:12,280 --> 01:26:14,240
Speaker 1: turning into the guy who was putting people's lights out.

1945
01:26:14,240 --> 01:26:16,800
Speaker 1: Because folks forget, it wasn't just Sarah. Excuse me, it

1946
01:26:16,800 --> 01:26:18,400
Speaker 1: wasn't just GSP. He did that too. Like go back

1947
01:26:18,400 --> 01:26:20,360
Speaker 1: and watch the Frank Trick fight. He fucked Frank Trigg

1948
01:26:20,439 --> 01:26:23,280
Speaker 1: up too, Like his hands turned out to be really

1949
01:26:23,320 --> 01:26:25,880
Speaker 1: really good later on, you'd be surprised. Man, You gut

1950
01:26:25,920 --> 01:26:27,320
Speaker 1: some of these guys. You know, they come into the

1951
01:26:27,400 --> 01:26:29,519
Speaker 1: UFCU when they getting your radar, you get an impression

1952
01:26:29,560 --> 01:26:31,960
Speaker 1: of them, and that holds you for a very long

1953
01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:34,360
Speaker 1: time and you kind of begin to doubt them. But

1954
01:26:34,400 --> 01:26:36,519
Speaker 1: then they just don't. They don't dot themselves. They get

1955
01:26:36,520 --> 01:26:39,160
Speaker 1: better and better and better and better, and so you

1956
01:26:39,240 --> 01:26:41,360
Speaker 1: have to let go of that way you initially got

1957
01:26:41,400 --> 01:26:44,759
Speaker 1: introduced to them, because it's not even relevant anymore. Brendon

1958
01:26:44,760 --> 01:26:47,559
Speaker 1: Moreno's case is like the exaggerated one. But I can

1959
01:26:47,560 --> 01:26:49,320
Speaker 1: think of a lot of guys where I was like, shit, man,

1960
01:26:49,320 --> 01:26:51,320
Speaker 1: this is not the dude who I thought existed two

1961
01:26:51,360 --> 01:26:52,280
Speaker 1: three years ago or whatever.

1962
01:26:53,160 --> 01:26:56,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, Moreno is a great example of that.

1963
01:26:56,320 --> 01:26:58,800
Speaker 3: I mean the way that he's grown, and listen, he

1964
01:26:58,920 --> 01:27:01,760
Speaker 3: still continues to grow. He's still continues to like show

1965
01:27:01,840 --> 01:27:03,640
Speaker 3: new wrinkles in himself, and I think we've seen a

1966
01:27:03,640 --> 01:27:06,719
Speaker 3: new wrinkle this past Saturday. So it's interesting to see

1967
01:27:06,840 --> 01:27:09,120
Speaker 3: what he brings in this fourth fight with Figurator.

1968
01:27:09,800 --> 01:27:14,240
Speaker 1: All Right, what do we got next here? Fellas from

1969
01:27:14,479 --> 01:27:18,519
Speaker 1: Aurelius ninety two. Is Lewis just taking fights in Texas

1970
01:27:18,560 --> 01:27:21,519
Speaker 1: because he doesn't have to travel far and can be

1971
01:27:21,720 --> 01:27:26,440
Speaker 1: lazy about training. Well, I don't think he's It's obviously

1972
01:27:26,479 --> 01:27:28,719
Speaker 1: they want him in Texas because the fans love him

1973
01:27:28,760 --> 01:27:31,200
Speaker 1: anywhere he goes. But he's gonna be much bigger in

1974
01:27:31,240 --> 01:27:36,120
Speaker 1: Texas obviously being from that area. I'm not sure what

1975
01:27:36,200 --> 01:27:39,639
Speaker 1: to say, Rashad. I don't think that he's like because

1976
01:27:39,680 --> 01:27:41,439
Speaker 1: How does it work with UFC. They don't offer you

1977
01:27:41,520 --> 01:27:43,600
Speaker 1: a date and a place, do they They offer you

1978
01:27:43,680 --> 01:27:45,800
Speaker 1: a guy and then they fit that on. How does

1979
01:27:45,840 --> 01:27:47,280
Speaker 1: it work when they offer you a fight? Do they

1980
01:27:47,320 --> 01:27:49,240
Speaker 1: tell you, Hey, it's gonna be this guy this date

1981
01:27:49,240 --> 01:27:49,839
Speaker 1: in this venue.

1982
01:27:50,360 --> 01:27:52,479
Speaker 2: Sometimes they do. They used to do that before.

1983
01:27:52,520 --> 01:27:56,240
Speaker 3: But it all depends on you know, your your general

1984
01:27:56,360 --> 01:27:58,120
Speaker 3: interest in wanting to do to fight. You know, I

1985
01:27:58,120 --> 01:27:59,800
Speaker 3: can see them saying that, hey, are you going to

1986
01:27:59,840 --> 01:28:02,160
Speaker 3: fight this guy? And he says, we'll we're at and

1987
01:28:02,200 --> 01:28:04,360
Speaker 3: he says in Dallas, and he's like, Okay, that makes

1988
01:28:04,360 --> 01:28:06,240
Speaker 3: it even better. Yeah, I'll do it, you know. So

1989
01:28:07,120 --> 01:28:09,439
Speaker 3: I can see something like that happening. But you know,

1990
01:28:09,800 --> 01:28:12,439
Speaker 3: I feel like with Derek Lewis, you know, he's fought.

1991
01:28:12,680 --> 01:28:15,280
Speaker 3: He's fought all over you know, he's fought everywhere. I

1992
01:28:15,360 --> 01:28:17,679
Speaker 3: don't think it really matters to him where he fights.

1993
01:28:18,600 --> 01:28:20,800
Speaker 3: If anything, I would fight, I would think maybe fighting

1994
01:28:20,840 --> 01:28:23,040
Speaker 3: at home would be more nerve wracking than anything.

1995
01:28:23,040 --> 01:28:25,240
Speaker 2: And I'm sure he probably would say the same thing.

1996
01:28:25,280 --> 01:28:29,520
Speaker 3: He would much rather fight outside of Death of Texas,

1997
01:28:29,560 --> 01:28:31,840
Speaker 3: just because of the fact that when you're at home,

1998
01:28:32,160 --> 01:28:34,439
Speaker 3: it's such more of an obligation you know, you have

1999
01:28:34,760 --> 01:28:37,280
Speaker 3: so many more time constraints, and your time is pulled

2000
01:28:37,280 --> 01:28:39,720
Speaker 3: on a lot more from other areas where it's not

2001
01:28:40,120 --> 01:28:43,000
Speaker 3: when you're out of town. So that little added pressure

2002
01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:46,320
Speaker 3: can definitely add more to the fight. So I can

2003
01:28:46,520 --> 01:28:49,080
Speaker 3: I can see why some fighters would not want to

2004
01:28:49,080 --> 01:28:50,800
Speaker 3: fight at home just because of the stress of it all.

2005
01:28:51,360 --> 01:28:53,639
Speaker 1: Also, I'll just point out in the I remember him

2006
01:28:53,680 --> 01:28:56,200
Speaker 1: complaining about this. In the early part of his career,

2007
01:28:56,680 --> 01:28:59,240
Speaker 1: they were flying him all over the place. So this

2008
01:28:59,320 --> 01:29:01,320
Speaker 1: is the early part of his UFC run. He started

2009
01:29:01,360 --> 01:29:05,280
Speaker 1: out in Vegas, all right, next fight was in mash Nantucket, Connecticut,

2010
01:29:05,320 --> 01:29:09,200
Speaker 1: wherever the fuck that is, then La New Orleans, back

2011
01:29:09,240 --> 01:29:14,040
Speaker 1: to Texas, Vegas, then Zagreb, Croatia. Then he fought in

2012
01:29:14,120 --> 01:29:17,360
Speaker 1: Vegas again, all but in New York, Halifax, Nova, Scotia,

2013
01:29:17,760 --> 01:29:20,360
Speaker 1: and then Auckland, New Zealand. It wasn't like my man

2014
01:29:20,560 --> 01:29:22,600
Speaker 1: wasn't on the road for them a little bit, you know,

2015
01:29:23,080 --> 01:29:25,080
Speaker 1: he kind of was. And now they're taking him a

2016
01:29:25,080 --> 01:29:27,719
Speaker 1: little bit closer to and he fought in Wichita, Kansas,

2017
01:29:28,080 --> 01:29:30,920
Speaker 1: New York City. You know, he's put in his miles.

2018
01:29:30,960 --> 01:29:33,720
Speaker 2: I feel like, yeah, one hundred percent, and now you know,

2019
01:29:33,760 --> 01:29:36,519
Speaker 2: that they're tapping into that base. I mean it's smart though, right,

2020
01:29:36,560 --> 01:29:38,840
Speaker 2: It's smart when you got someone like Derek Lewis, who

2021
01:29:38,920 --> 01:29:40,320
Speaker 2: is just you know, you.

2022
01:29:40,280 --> 01:29:41,920
Speaker 3: Put a camera in front him, you put a microphone

2023
01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:43,960
Speaker 3: from him. He's gonna say something. He's gonna make people

2024
01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:46,679
Speaker 3: interested enough to want to watch him fight. So why

2025
01:29:46,760 --> 01:29:47,839
Speaker 3: not put him in his hometown.

2026
01:29:48,160 --> 01:29:49,920
Speaker 1: You know, no one ever talks enough about it, but

2027
01:29:49,960 --> 01:29:52,240
Speaker 1: when everyone talks about when he said when Joe Rogan

2028
01:29:52,280 --> 01:29:53,920
Speaker 1: was interviewing me and he goes, my balls was hot.

2029
01:29:54,439 --> 01:29:57,519
Speaker 1: That was definitely funny. But really, to me, what sells

2030
01:29:57,560 --> 01:30:01,040
Speaker 1: that whole thing is Rogan goes. I understand hand right,

2031
01:30:03,320 --> 01:30:06,840
Speaker 1: all right, what have we got next? Let's see from

2032
01:30:06,960 --> 01:30:10,439
Speaker 1: Cole underscore. Brown eight five eight is the upcoming UFC

2033
01:30:10,640 --> 01:30:14,200
Speaker 1: San Diego card, the least stacked event with a crowd

2034
01:30:14,240 --> 01:30:17,040
Speaker 1: we have seen all year. So let's go to this one.

2035
01:30:17,120 --> 01:30:20,200
Speaker 1: I believe this is the Cheeto Vera card. So let

2036
01:30:20,200 --> 01:30:21,640
Speaker 1: me pull this one up for your shots so we

2037
01:30:21,680 --> 01:30:26,960
Speaker 1: both have accurate and fair information. So he is gonna fight. Uh,

2038
01:30:27,040 --> 01:30:29,120
Speaker 1: let's see that. I think this is UFC on ESPN

2039
01:30:29,160 --> 01:30:31,160
Speaker 1: forty one. Yes, this is in San Diego at the

2040
01:30:31,200 --> 01:30:34,840
Speaker 1: Pachanga Arena. By the way, before I finished this, did

2041
01:30:34,880 --> 01:30:37,360
Speaker 1: you ever not get to fight in a place that

2042
01:30:37,439 --> 01:30:38,840
Speaker 1: you did want to fight?

2043
01:30:41,200 --> 01:30:42,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've always wanted to fight in Brazil, but I

2044
01:30:43,080 --> 01:30:46,000
Speaker 2: never got a chance to. Wait, they didn't fight, not

2045
01:30:46,120 --> 01:30:50,280
Speaker 2: never fund in Brazil. Think about it, I'm like, wait, no,

2046
01:30:50,439 --> 01:30:50,920
Speaker 2: I never fought.

2047
01:30:51,080 --> 01:30:52,760
Speaker 1: You probably have been. You've been to Brazil, haven't you.

2048
01:30:52,840 --> 01:30:53,080
Speaker 1: I've been.

2049
01:30:53,120 --> 01:30:54,960
Speaker 3: I've been to Brazil with Michael Johnson and it was

2050
01:30:55,040 --> 01:30:57,000
Speaker 3: like I was fighting, but I didn't fight myself. So

2051
01:30:57,000 --> 01:30:58,479
Speaker 3: that's why I had to think about it for a second,

2052
01:30:58,600 --> 01:30:59,679
Speaker 3: because I had to fight field.

2053
01:30:59,720 --> 01:31:01,760
Speaker 2: But I'm like, I don't think I thought no.

2054
01:31:01,760 --> 01:31:05,040
Speaker 1: No, The film one was on Fox. Memory serves all right.

2055
01:31:05,160 --> 01:31:07,720
Speaker 1: So the main event is great, which is Marlon Vera

2056
01:31:07,800 --> 01:31:11,559
Speaker 1: Chieto Vera taken on Dominant Cruz at bantamweight sensational fight.

2057
01:31:11,600 --> 01:31:13,880
Speaker 1: Then you got a flyweight fight Alexa Grasso taken on

2058
01:31:13,960 --> 01:31:17,840
Speaker 1: Vivian Alrougal. It's pretty good, aspen lad Sarah mcmanhon's pretty good.

2059
01:31:18,320 --> 01:31:22,000
Speaker 1: And then from there, it's not that it's not full

2060
01:31:22,000 --> 01:31:24,479
Speaker 1: of stars, is a good way to put it. You've

2061
01:31:24,479 --> 01:31:26,600
Speaker 1: got Gerald mi ershar Versus Bruno Silver, Bruno Silva is

2062
01:31:26,600 --> 01:31:29,599
Speaker 1: a pretty fun a fighter. Let's see, you've got Gabriel

2063
01:31:29,600 --> 01:31:34,160
Speaker 1: Benitez versus Charlie Ontiveros, Nate land Wier versus David Onamar.

2064
01:31:34,240 --> 01:31:36,800
Speaker 1: I mean Onam. I mean the reality is you've got

2065
01:31:36,840 --> 01:31:39,280
Speaker 1: about three fights at the top that have some no

2066
01:31:39,439 --> 01:31:41,320
Speaker 1: names with some ranked fighters, and then after that it

2067
01:31:41,400 --> 01:31:43,680
Speaker 1: kind of falls off in terms of something else. May

2068
01:31:43,840 --> 01:31:45,680
Speaker 1: maybe you could say I need annas on the cart

2069
01:31:45,680 --> 01:31:47,640
Speaker 1: as well, is a little bit different. I'll say this.

2070
01:31:48,000 --> 01:31:50,760
Speaker 1: It looks to me, Rashad that like people complain about

2071
01:31:50,760 --> 01:31:53,840
Speaker 1: the Apex, I don't think it's the Apex that's the problem,

2072
01:31:53,840 --> 01:31:57,400
Speaker 1: because the Apex was the Alamo when everything was shut down,

2073
01:31:57,400 --> 01:31:59,280
Speaker 1: so it served a valuable purpose. But now that the

2074
01:31:59,400 --> 01:32:01,720
Speaker 1: UFC is going back on the road, what we have

2075
01:32:01,880 --> 01:32:04,519
Speaker 1: noticed is like the UFC Houston Show, the UFC Long

2076
01:32:04,560 --> 01:32:06,599
Speaker 1: Island Show, these fight night cards that are not pay

2077
01:32:06,640 --> 01:32:09,720
Speaker 1: per view, they're stacking those pretty well. And so when

2078
01:32:09,720 --> 01:32:12,719
Speaker 1: they do go back to the Apex, if you're getting

2079
01:32:12,760 --> 01:32:14,720
Speaker 1: all your best stuff on pay per view or the

2080
01:32:14,720 --> 01:32:18,000
Speaker 1: fight nights on the road, it doesn't leave much for

2081
01:32:18,080 --> 01:32:20,000
Speaker 1: the Apex. Now to the point of this question, they're

2082
01:32:20,000 --> 01:32:23,040
Speaker 1: in San Diego, is this the least stacked of the

2083
01:32:23,040 --> 01:32:27,960
Speaker 1: ones on the road. Probably probably, but you do get

2084
01:32:27,960 --> 01:32:31,720
Speaker 1: some decent fights at the top of it. I would say, yeah.

2085
01:32:31,439 --> 01:32:34,439
Speaker 2: You know, like one thing, I've been I've been fighting.

2086
01:32:34,600 --> 01:32:36,760
Speaker 2: I've been I've been working at the Apex for a

2087
01:32:36,800 --> 01:32:37,160
Speaker 2: little bit.

2088
01:32:37,160 --> 01:32:40,519
Speaker 3: When we had these shows where it's not the best

2089
01:32:40,600 --> 01:32:42,639
Speaker 3: names on I can't say the best names the biggest

2090
01:32:42,720 --> 01:32:45,920
Speaker 3: names on the card, right, but those have been a

2091
01:32:45,960 --> 01:32:47,840
Speaker 3: fights that has been delivering. Like I've been on a

2092
01:32:47,840 --> 01:32:50,160
Speaker 3: few fight nights where I'm like, dang, these dudes came

2093
01:32:50,200 --> 01:32:52,200
Speaker 3: out there and really fought and they really, you know,

2094
01:32:52,680 --> 01:32:54,320
Speaker 3: make a name for himself that night.

2095
01:32:54,400 --> 01:32:55,479
Speaker 2: So a lot of these guys.

2096
01:32:55,240 --> 01:32:57,000
Speaker 3: That we don't know where the card is not that

2097
01:32:57,320 --> 01:33:00,880
Speaker 3: you know, they do not really name driven. These are

2098
01:33:00,880 --> 01:33:03,360
Speaker 3: the cars that we need to watch because these are

2099
01:33:03,400 --> 01:33:05,800
Speaker 3: the cars that these guys they come and they put

2100
01:33:05,840 --> 01:33:08,719
Speaker 3: on and when you hear about them a few fights

2101
01:33:08,760 --> 01:33:11,400
Speaker 3: later on down the road. It was from a card

2102
01:33:11,479 --> 01:33:13,679
Speaker 3: where a bunch of guys that didn't have a big

2103
01:33:13,800 --> 01:33:15,639
Speaker 3: name went out there and they showed out.

2104
01:33:15,680 --> 01:33:18,240
Speaker 2: And I feel like in the last you know, last.

2105
01:33:18,520 --> 01:33:22,719
Speaker 3: Like last five or show that's been at the Apex,

2106
01:33:22,800 --> 01:33:24,519
Speaker 3: they kind of showed out, you know, they kind of

2107
01:33:24,560 --> 01:33:28,240
Speaker 3: went out there and really had made some great fights happen.

2108
01:33:28,320 --> 01:33:31,559
Speaker 3: So I feel like it's hard to really put a

2109
01:33:31,600 --> 01:33:34,960
Speaker 3: stamp just because it doesn't have the name power right away,

2110
01:33:35,280 --> 01:33:37,880
Speaker 3: because these are the fights that are fun to watch.

2111
01:33:38,760 --> 01:33:40,320
Speaker 1: All right, let's see what we got next. I think

2112
01:33:40,320 --> 01:33:42,920
Speaker 1: that's three of these. We got a couple more from

2113
01:33:43,040 --> 01:33:47,719
Speaker 1: Pandemic Underscore Boy zero zero one, following morenos and Dover's

2114
01:33:47,760 --> 01:33:50,840
Speaker 1: liver shot endings. What are some of your other top

2115
01:33:51,120 --> 01:33:53,639
Speaker 1: bots the last one? What are some of your other

2116
01:33:53,840 --> 01:33:57,799
Speaker 1: top body slash liver shot KOs and tkos in boxing

2117
01:33:59,040 --> 01:34:01,160
Speaker 1: or sorry n MMA, I was thinking about boxing. I

2118
01:34:01,200 --> 01:34:04,519
Speaker 1: believe didn't be hop stop de la Hoya with a

2119
01:34:04,520 --> 01:34:07,160
Speaker 1: liver shot, right, I think that's right? M hm uh,

2120
01:34:07,320 --> 01:34:09,920
Speaker 1: and he just crushed him with that one. Do you

2121
01:34:09,920 --> 01:34:12,880
Speaker 1: have any favorite liver shot finishes in mm A?

2122
01:34:13,520 --> 01:34:17,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, what was the one well, what wasn't a

2123
01:34:17,240 --> 01:34:18,080
Speaker 2: liver shot finished?

2124
01:34:18,080 --> 01:34:21,360
Speaker 3: Remember the Remember the one shot where the dude was

2125
01:34:21,400 --> 01:34:23,479
Speaker 3: an Ultimate fighters shot show where.

2126
01:34:23,280 --> 01:34:24,519
Speaker 1: He's got to send the PiZZ cell.

2127
01:34:24,720 --> 01:34:28,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that was one of my favorites of all time,

2128
01:34:28,880 --> 01:34:31,439
Speaker 2: even though you know, Pete Cell was able to recover

2129
01:34:31,760 --> 01:34:34,360
Speaker 2: and land at big shot. But when it comes to

2130
01:34:34,400 --> 01:34:35,800
Speaker 2: showing what a liver shot.

2131
01:34:35,520 --> 01:34:37,640
Speaker 3: Can do, it just kind of turns you and just

2132
01:34:37,680 --> 01:34:40,000
Speaker 3: makes you just almost want to drop and shit yourself

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Speaker 3: at the same time. To be able to turn around

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Speaker 3: and come back, like Pete Souday was very impressive.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to see if there's a list here of

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Speaker 1: the best liver shots that we could look at. There's

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Speaker 1: a lot of body shot KOs and whatnot. You know

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Speaker 1: what another good one is RDA versus Cowboy title That

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Speaker 1: was That was when Cowboy was on that run at

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Speaker 1: one fifty five, and that was when RDA was I mean,

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Speaker 1: Rdia is still very very very good, but that was

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Speaker 1: like fucking hammer RDA. And I always say this, folks

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Speaker 1: don't remember this. Anthony Pettis went into the fight with

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Speaker 1: Rdia off the weedies box, you know, pretty tony the

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Speaker 1: whole bit, and Rdia just mugged him. I mean he

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Speaker 1: mugged him. He beat him up like bad. And I

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Speaker 1: don't think I personally, I'm not sure that you know

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Speaker 1: Pettis was ever the same after that, to be quite

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Speaker 1: honest with you, But that was that. That was that guy, right,

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Speaker 1: That was the level of RDA was and RDIA hit

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Speaker 1: him with a liver shot that that fucking folded him with.

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Speaker 1: It was a bodykick, if I recall, because they had

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Speaker 1: the open stance and he crushed him. That was a

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01:35:42,920 --> 01:35:43,519
Speaker 1: good one too.

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Speaker 2: It was Remember when Anthony Pettis caught Cowboy two with

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Speaker 2: a liver shot too when he fought.

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Speaker 1: I believe that's right. Yeah, yeah, a few of those

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna see. I'm gonna see if I can find

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Speaker 1: And by the way, Bass Routin obviously the king of

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01:35:56,479 --> 01:35:58,679
Speaker 1: the liver shot. That was one of his most famous things.

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Speaker 1: I don't I wish I had a better list up

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01:36:02,160 --> 01:36:05,080
Speaker 1: here to give you guys, because whenever they ask these

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01:36:05,160 --> 01:36:06,479
Speaker 1: questions off the top of my head, I have a

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Speaker 1: hard time recalling them in real time. But but the

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Speaker 1: RDA one certainly stands out to me. I'm trying to

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Speaker 1: think of there's another one. Oh, who had one in

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Speaker 1: boxing that I saw recently? Oh god, I saw one

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Speaker 1: the other day that was fucking awesome. I can't remember.

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Speaker 1: I can't remember, but there you go. There's our terrible

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Speaker 1: answer for that one. Sorry, Oh Jones showgun right before

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01:36:30,360 --> 01:36:32,679
Speaker 1: he landed the knee. Yeah, he drove a left hook

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Speaker 1: to the liver as well. You remember that. Yeah, he

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01:36:36,400 --> 01:36:37,800
Speaker 1: popped him with one and then they and then he

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Speaker 1: hit him with the knee and then that and I

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01:36:39,120 --> 01:36:42,400
Speaker 1: think he was falling after that as a consequence. So

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Speaker 1: that was a good shot, all right, Rashad, Well you

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Speaker 1: have done a more than admirable job sitting in today

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Speaker 1: for the the the Washed Brian Campbell. How can folks

2179
01:36:52,160 --> 01:36:53,559
Speaker 1: get in touch with you or final all the stuff

2180
01:36:53,560 --> 01:36:54,559
Speaker 1: you're up to? What can they do?

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01:36:55,280 --> 01:36:58,560
Speaker 2: You can go to my instagram sugar shod at sugard

2182
01:36:59,160 --> 01:37:02,400
Speaker 2: and you know I post on air quite regularly, but uh,

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01:37:02,680 --> 01:37:05,160
Speaker 2: you know, I stay tuned to what I'm doing. I

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Speaker 2: usually post on air.

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01:37:06,320 --> 01:37:09,320
Speaker 3: I got a few projects go on, so uh find

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01:37:09,320 --> 01:37:10,280
Speaker 3: out what I'm doing on air.

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Speaker 1: And you're back on the UFC desk this weekend.

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01:37:12,920 --> 01:37:15,639
Speaker 2: Correct this weekend, yep, I'll be on the desk, so

2189
01:37:15,880 --> 01:37:16,800
Speaker 2: make sure to tune in.

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Speaker 1: Do you know who you're are you working with? Do you

2191
01:37:18,920 --> 01:37:19,599
Speaker 1: know who you're working with?

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01:37:20,080 --> 01:37:23,000
Speaker 2: I think it's Karen Bryant and uh Alan Joe.

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Speaker 1: Ban Alan Joe.

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01:37:24,120 --> 01:37:27,000
Speaker 2: I like Alan, He's Alan's the best man. He's cool.

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Speaker 1: I was I was telling Alan. I forget when I

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01:37:29,200 --> 01:37:30,880
Speaker 1: saw him and I was telling him about this. I

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01:37:31,360 --> 01:37:33,479
Speaker 1: don't have this gym membership anymore, but a few years

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01:37:33,479 --> 01:37:36,040
Speaker 1: ago I was working out at this gym, like it's

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Speaker 1: called Equinox. They're like, it's a it's a sort of

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01:37:38,160 --> 01:37:41,040
Speaker 1: a higher end gym. Yeah they're okay, Yeah they're not

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Speaker 1: They're not worth the money, but you know, it's a

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01:37:42,680 --> 01:37:45,519
Speaker 1: nice gym. And I was getting water at the water

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01:37:45,560 --> 01:37:47,120
Speaker 1: fountain and I looked up and they have, you know,

2204
01:37:47,200 --> 01:37:50,160
Speaker 1: pictures of like all these insanely jacked people, women or

2205
01:37:50,200 --> 01:37:52,360
Speaker 1: men like you know, all over the place, and it

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01:37:52,400 --> 01:37:56,600
Speaker 1: was fucking Alan Joe Bam. I was like, I was like, you, like,

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01:37:56,640 --> 01:37:58,960
Speaker 1: in a week, equinoxes everywhere. He was like, I didn't

2208
01:37:58,960 --> 01:38:00,680
Speaker 1: know that. I was like, dude, it know that. Why

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Speaker 1: the hell do you not know that? So that my

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01:38:03,479 --> 01:38:04,200
Speaker 1: man's everywhere?

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01:38:04,520 --> 01:38:06,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's so good looking. I can't stand it.

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Speaker 1: Yo, Fuck Alan Joe Vanfer. That's what I have to say,

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Speaker 1: all right, Rashad, great job. Want to remind everyone, if

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Speaker 1: Dot Store. Morningcombat dot Store is the place to get

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Speaker 1: some merch. We will be back Wednesday. We're gonna have

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Speaker 1: a live show with another special guest host. Stay tuned

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Speaker 1: for that. Be on the lookout for extra credit. And

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Speaker 1: that is it. So for the Great Sugar Reshad Evans.

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Speaker 1: I'm Luke Thomas, BC's on vacation. We'll talk to you

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Speaker 1: guys live on Wednesday again, and until then, may all

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Speaker 1: of your gains be loyal.