WEBVTT - Prince Charming Need Not Apply 0:00:04.160 --> 0:00:07.440 Hey, the folks, Robot and I just walk into the 0:00:07.480 --> 0:00:10.280 door of our home coming from the movie theater where 0:00:10.320 --> 0:00:13.520 we just saw the much anticipated, much talked about, and 0:00:13.640 --> 0:00:16.680 much maligned Snow White, and we got. 0:00:16.520 --> 0:00:19.720 A doozy of a review. Welcome to this episode of 0:00:19.720 --> 0:00:20.520 Amy and TJ. Rose. 0:00:20.560 --> 0:00:22.720 We wanted to get in front of the microphones while 0:00:22.720 --> 0:00:25.279 this was still fresh on our minds. Right now is 0:00:25.320 --> 0:00:27.480 still fresh to the point we might still be full 0:00:27.520 --> 0:00:28.560 of some emotions. 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:32.280 Yes, we literally saw the movie. I think we walked 0:00:32.280 --> 0:00:35.000 out of the theater twenty minutes ago, and actually, right 0:00:35.040 --> 0:00:37.680 in front of us right now is the original. It's 0:00:37.720 --> 0:00:42.360 it nineteen thirty seven version, and it is interesting to 0:00:42.400 --> 0:00:46.680 see now one right after the other. How some things 0:00:46.800 --> 0:00:50.240 were actually true to form a most shot for shot. Yeah, 0:00:50.280 --> 0:00:52.760 there were definitely moments where you're like, oh wow, that 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:57.720 was actually exactly what they recreated. However, there were quite 0:00:57.720 --> 0:01:01.800 a few deviations from the original which we anticipated, which 0:01:01.800 --> 0:01:02.880 we had heard about so. 0:01:03.000 --> 0:01:04.040 Which can be okay. 0:01:05.319 --> 0:01:11.000 Well, but modernizing a tale is admirable. But it's tricky, 0:01:11.240 --> 0:01:14.280 and I think that movie we just saw proved just 0:01:14.280 --> 0:01:15.200 how tricky it can be. 0:01:15.280 --> 0:01:17.240 I want to get into some details, obviously, we're going 0:01:17.280 --> 0:01:21.480 to hear, but your first your initial feeling or impression 0:01:21.959 --> 0:01:24.399 of the movie. Not a full review, but just what 0:01:24.440 --> 0:01:27.600 would you your first impression? After all we heard about 0:01:27.600 --> 0:01:29.680 what it was going to be and then finally see it, 0:01:30.000 --> 0:01:31.160 what would you say? You in pressure was? 0:01:31.560 --> 0:01:34.360 I hate to say this. I was disappointed. 0:01:34.440 --> 0:01:35.160 You're disappointed? 0:01:35.319 --> 0:01:39.800 Yeah, I had lowered expectations even but you know, I 0:01:39.880 --> 0:01:43.880 love I love animated film. I love a film that 0:01:43.920 --> 0:01:45.920 has singing in it. I love it. It doesn't bother 0:01:46.000 --> 0:01:48.640 me at all when people break out into song and you. 0:01:48.640 --> 0:01:50.400 Like fantasy and romance. 0:01:51.840 --> 0:01:55.000 Yes, I'm age like you know, Tangled is my care 0:01:55.120 --> 0:01:57.640 And they did try to. And I saw elements of 0:01:58.720 --> 0:02:01.840 Tangled in here, but without the wit, without the humor, 0:02:02.200 --> 0:02:05.360 without the snarkiness. And that's what this was missing. It 0:02:05.400 --> 0:02:08.680 tried so hard to have heart, it tried so hard 0:02:08.720 --> 0:02:14.440 to have purpose, it tried so hard to bewoke that 0:02:14.600 --> 0:02:17.519 it missed so much of what I love a lot 0:02:17.560 --> 0:02:19.880 of times about some of these Disney movies, even when 0:02:19.919 --> 0:02:23.200 they have the female heroin. And yes they're pushing female empowerment, 0:02:23.240 --> 0:02:26.240 which I love, but not too much of. You got 0:02:26.280 --> 0:02:28.800 to do it with some humility. You got to do 0:02:28.800 --> 0:02:30.400 it with some humor. You got to do it with 0:02:30.440 --> 0:02:34.240 some laughs, and that's what this was missing. So it 0:02:34.320 --> 0:02:40.600 came off well flat and honestly disappointing. I was just disappointed. 0:02:40.680 --> 0:02:42.240 I don't remember a single part in the movie where 0:02:42.280 --> 0:02:42.880 I laughed. 0:02:43.080 --> 0:02:44.520 I was laughing at it, not with it. 0:02:44.600 --> 0:02:47.280 Don't think of a line. I mean, Dopey did some 0:02:47.320 --> 0:02:50.520 funny stuff, but just as far as the dialogue goes, 0:02:51.560 --> 0:02:54.600 it wasn't there. My first impression coming out. 0:02:54.440 --> 0:02:54.919 Of it was. 0:02:56.560 --> 0:03:00.800 That those terrible reviews didn't come from nowhere exactly. I 0:03:00.919 --> 0:03:04.200 was so prepared to like this movie and give it 0:03:04.240 --> 0:03:07.320 more of a chance because like, people are just upset 0:03:07.400 --> 0:03:09.480 and because of the controversy, and they're not giving it 0:03:09.520 --> 0:03:11.639 a fair chance. And I walked down and say, oh, 0:03:11.720 --> 0:03:15.519 that the complaints are legit about the movie. And we did. 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:17.560 We desperately wanted to like this movie. 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:21.480 Yeah, we even said on the morning run today, we 0:03:21.520 --> 0:03:24.880 looked and saw that the Rotten Tomato score was like 0:03:24.919 --> 0:03:28.520 forty four percent, but that the audience score was seventy 0:03:28.840 --> 0:03:31.760 something percent. Yeah, seventy seven. So I thought, you know what, 0:03:31.800 --> 0:03:36.080 I have absolutely cited more often with the audience score 0:03:36.560 --> 0:03:39.320 than the critics score. So I went in with I 0:03:39.360 --> 0:03:42.840 was hopeful but reserved, and then I thought, ooh, I 0:03:42.960 --> 0:03:48.000 get I get why people have not regarded this film 0:03:48.040 --> 0:03:50.400 the way maybe even they had helped do. I think everyone. 0:03:50.800 --> 0:03:53.680 Maybe I'm presuming here, but I think most of us 0:03:53.800 --> 0:03:57.040 of a certain age loved this film, appreciate the fact 0:03:57.080 --> 0:03:59.600 that it wanted to be modernized, could forget the noise, 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:02.320 forget the controversy. I can put that aside. This is 0:04:02.360 --> 0:04:05.600 our these are actors. I can take what happened backstage 0:04:05.680 --> 0:04:07.600 or off stage. I can put that aside when I'm 0:04:07.600 --> 0:04:10.120 actually watching the film. And I think a lot of 0:04:10.200 --> 0:04:13.560 us went into that thinking okay, and I'm still hopeful 0:04:13.560 --> 0:04:15.320 that I'm gonna like it anyway, that it's gonna be 0:04:15.440 --> 0:04:19.000 sweet and I'm gonna get it. And I just was disappointed. 0:04:19.240 --> 0:04:24.000 So folks who already had an inclination to not like 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:26.560 the movie, the movie didn't do anything to win them 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:29.600 over right at all. And in fact, people who were 0:04:29.600 --> 0:04:32.120 inclined to maybe hate on the movie, you do see 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:34.680 it and then go aha, you give them that look. 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:38.440 We were looking for ways, and we, to be quite honest, 0:04:38.440 --> 0:04:42.600 we second guests doing the episode because we were digging 0:04:42.640 --> 0:04:45.719 trying to find things to say to be complimentary, and 0:04:45.760 --> 0:04:49.000 there's plenty to compliment obviously from the look, from the 0:04:49.040 --> 0:04:53.840 singing from the talent. Yes, that's throughout again, it's Disney, 0:04:54.120 --> 0:04:56.000 the Disney movie. You know it's gonna look a certain way, 0:04:56.200 --> 0:04:58.120 but it didn't feel a certain way. It didn't feel 0:04:58.160 --> 0:05:01.200 like Disney magic that were used to having, at least 0:05:01.240 --> 0:05:04.120 to me, because even the open when they do the 0:05:04.160 --> 0:05:06.680 whole animated thing, just the open of any movie when 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:07.320 it's mom. 0:05:07.320 --> 0:05:09.159 Doom doom, doom, doom, doom. 0:05:09.240 --> 0:05:09.480 Dude. 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:11.320 Yeah, the fireworks and you see the castle. 0:05:11.440 --> 0:05:14.719 Yes, you just kind of you just kind of get emotional, like, ah, right, 0:05:14.760 --> 0:05:17.000 here we go, Disney about to take us on this ride. 0:05:17.200 --> 0:05:20.560 That was the most magical moment in the theater today? 0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:21.520 Was that open? 0:05:21.760 --> 0:05:24.159 Something you said to me we were talking about it 0:05:24.160 --> 0:05:28.359 when we first came out, and you said, it wasn't magical. 0:05:28.960 --> 0:05:32.159 It didn't feel magical, and that is what we have 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:35.960 come to expect from Disney films. And we kind of 0:05:36.320 --> 0:05:41.360 landed on this look snow white as inappropriate now as 0:05:41.400 --> 0:05:45.279 it may seem. In nineteen thirty seven was a fairy tale, 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:46.919 and so a lot of us grew up watching this 0:05:47.120 --> 0:05:51.160 fairy tale. It was fantasy, it wasn't reality. And I 0:05:51.240 --> 0:05:55.880 think when sometimes we try, with the best of intentions 0:05:55.880 --> 0:05:59.640 to make things more realistic or more modern, we lose 0:05:59.640 --> 0:06:01.719 the fan to see, we lose the fairy tale. So 0:06:01.800 --> 0:06:04.640 in the retelling, it's got to be so hard to 0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:08.920 thread that needle to still have it be aspirational and 0:06:09.000 --> 0:06:13.560 yet modern. And I just I've said this before and 0:06:13.800 --> 0:06:16.160 they did. Let me just say, I was actually a 0:06:16.160 --> 0:06:19.760 little surprised they did have the prince who ended up 0:06:19.760 --> 0:06:24.039 being more of a vagabond turned you know, love intes 0:06:24.160 --> 0:06:25.840 you're going to get into Jonathan p He wasn't really 0:06:25.839 --> 0:06:32.080 a Prince Charming, but his kiss did save snow White, 0:06:32.120 --> 0:06:34.240 which I actually thought they were gonna not do, so 0:06:34.320 --> 0:06:37.160 that actually surprised me a little bit. But so they 0:06:37.240 --> 0:06:39.520 kept that part of it. But I do think that 0:06:39.600 --> 0:06:42.920 when you when you try so hard to be realistic, 0:06:44.560 --> 0:06:46.600 is it wrong to dream of prince Charming? I think 0:06:46.600 --> 0:06:48.440 it's like you go too far in one direction where 0:06:48.560 --> 0:06:52.120 somehow it's not okay to be the girl who dreams 0:06:52.160 --> 0:06:53.240 of marrying prince. 0:06:53.600 --> 0:06:55.600 So is that so stick with that? 0:06:55.960 --> 0:06:56.000 It? 0:06:56.400 --> 0:07:01.240 Should we not have fantasy or fairy tale. Should we 0:07:01.320 --> 0:07:05.080 not have anyone or put out any image, any media, 0:07:05.120 --> 0:07:09.159 any movie that essentially presents a woman, a young woman 0:07:09.279 --> 0:07:12.120 in a position that she's waiting on prince charming or 0:07:12.120 --> 0:07:14.520 someone who comes save her, a damsel in distress? Can 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:17.520 we not do that? Because I said the magic was gone. 0:07:17.520 --> 0:07:19.920 But a part of this movie is the fantasy that 0:07:20.000 --> 0:07:22.200 this will never happen. Some dude on a white horse 0:07:22.280 --> 0:07:24.360 is not gonna be riding through some sing a song. 0:07:24.440 --> 0:07:27.640 It's just fantasy. Can we not have it? 0:07:27.800 --> 0:07:30.080 But I just think it's okay to have that and 0:07:30.160 --> 0:07:33.800 have other stories that tell other types of fantasies and 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:36.920 other types of aspirations. And I think it's okay to 0:07:37.000 --> 0:07:41.440 still have these nostalgic fairy tales where yeah, the girl 0:07:41.520 --> 0:07:44.040 dreams of her prince. And it's okay because I think 0:07:44.040 --> 0:07:46.320 we have enough other modern stories that I don't think 0:07:46.360 --> 0:07:49.800 little girls today are confused at their ability to tell 0:07:49.840 --> 0:07:52.520 their own stories. And I think it's still okay. There 0:07:52.520 --> 0:07:55.840 are still plenty of young women and girls out there 0:07:55.880 --> 0:07:57.600 who say, yeah, you know what I want to be. 0:07:57.760 --> 0:07:59.280 I want to be a wife and I want to 0:07:59.280 --> 0:08:02.640 be a mom. And that's a really important, big role, 0:08:03.080 --> 0:08:05.040 and we I don't need to have all the other 0:08:05.080 --> 0:08:07.440 stuff forced down my throat that I have to be 0:08:07.880 --> 0:08:09.840 a lawyer, I have to be a doctor, I have 0:08:09.920 --> 0:08:11.760 to do everything. Like I think it's great to have 0:08:11.880 --> 0:08:14.360 all these different types of stories and we don't have 0:08:14.480 --> 0:08:18.400 to erase the story of the girl wanting to end 0:08:18.480 --> 0:08:19.040 up with the man. 0:08:28.080 --> 0:08:28.520 So they did. 0:08:28.600 --> 0:08:31.640 They did in this retelling, and that's what they call it, 0:08:31.720 --> 0:08:35.880 right retelling. There was not a moment even when her 0:08:35.960 --> 0:08:39.280 life was threatened, when she had nothing to defend herself 0:08:39.280 --> 0:08:42.120 on her and a grown man had a knife to 0:08:42.160 --> 0:08:44.920 her chest, she didn't back down. She didn't coward in 0:08:44.960 --> 0:08:48.640 the least bit. They showed strength from her throughout. 0:08:48.920 --> 0:08:49.640 I guess I was. 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:51.520 I mean, we were just watching and again we have 0:08:51.600 --> 0:08:54.320 it on in the background, but that same scene, this 0:08:54.440 --> 0:08:57.480 snow white arms up, coward trying to defend herself and 0:08:57.720 --> 0:08:58.280 backed off. 0:08:58.640 --> 0:09:02.000 Yeah, that's what probably, That's what I would do. So 0:09:02.080 --> 0:09:05.080 it's like, you know it, Sometimes I feel like it's 0:09:05.120 --> 0:09:07.920 trying too hard to say, yes, women are strong, Yes 0:09:08.040 --> 0:09:10.520 girls can fight back, and I get that, but I 0:09:10.559 --> 0:09:12.760 also feel like sometimes you can try too hard and 0:09:12.800 --> 0:09:15.839 it feels false. It feels pushed, and it almost undoes 0:09:16.160 --> 0:09:18.360 what you're trying, the message you're trying to send. It 0:09:18.440 --> 0:09:20.839 almost makes it feel like a false message. So I 0:09:21.480 --> 0:09:23.640 cringed a little bit at that. We don't need to 0:09:23.760 --> 0:09:28.120 push so hard that all girls and all these she's fearless. Now, 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:32.599 it's okay to be afraid. It's okay to it's okay 0:09:33.000 --> 0:09:35.720 to want the guy. I just like it's okay, Like 0:09:35.800 --> 0:09:37.360 I don't think it all has to be one or 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:40.120 the other. And strength means that you're unafraid, and that 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:42.840 strength means you don't want the guy. Strength means you 0:09:42.840 --> 0:09:45.880 can do it on your own. I think they all 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:48.199 can be true. So it's a little That's where I 0:09:48.320 --> 0:09:50.640 got a little annoyed. Even as a woman and as 0:09:50.640 --> 0:09:54.000 a mom of two daughters, I'm all about female empowerment, 0:09:54.040 --> 0:09:56.400 but we don't need to go so far that it 0:09:56.440 --> 0:10:01.080 becomes unrealistic or somehow it's negative to to be afraid 0:10:01.200 --> 0:10:03.640 or to want the guy. That's where I have a problem. 0:10:03.679 --> 0:10:05.760 A lot of it felt like lip service. It didn't 0:10:05.800 --> 0:10:06.800 feel genuine. 0:10:06.800 --> 0:10:11.040 It didn't feel like there was an authentic story necessarily 0:10:11.160 --> 0:10:14.160 or a authentic emotion that was coming out of anybody. 0:10:14.200 --> 0:10:16.000 It was just a ligne here or line there, kind 0:10:16.000 --> 0:10:18.440 of like we were checking boxes of what's supposed to do. 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:21.240 Says yes, that is sohow so much of the movie 0:10:21.280 --> 0:10:23.439 felt like we were checking boxes. 0:10:23.080 --> 0:10:24.720 And you just nailed it. Here was another thing that 0:10:24.760 --> 0:10:27.200 you pointed out. There's so many things to get to, 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:30.280 but this was one where they made a point at 0:10:30.320 --> 0:10:34.240 the end to act as though mirror mirror on the wall, 0:10:34.320 --> 0:10:37.080 who's the fairest of them all? That it really was 0:10:37.160 --> 0:10:42.319 about inner beauty and not outward beauty. And Okay, I understand, 0:10:42.520 --> 0:10:46.080 I get it, but you're also taking away the whole 0:10:46.160 --> 0:10:50.080 point of the film, which was that the evil stepmother, 0:10:50.480 --> 0:10:55.280 the Evil Queen was jealous of snow White's physical beauty. 0:10:55.400 --> 0:10:58.520 So I just that was also to me a little 0:10:58.559 --> 0:11:02.640 too forced and a wishing of oh no, the beauty 0:11:02.720 --> 0:11:06.120 is from within, and that just was not true to 0:11:06.160 --> 0:11:09.720 the original story and just didn't make sense with what 0:11:09.840 --> 0:11:13.960 we saw in the story about gal Gado's character being 0:11:14.200 --> 0:11:17.840 physically jealous of snow White's physical beauty. 0:11:17.880 --> 0:11:19.600 You know, this one way to put it as well, 0:11:19.640 --> 0:11:21.000 some of the things we've gone through here, But there 0:11:21.000 --> 0:11:25.600 were too many times you me Sabine I'm sitting in 0:11:25.600 --> 0:11:28.400 between you two. There was too many times where I 0:11:28.520 --> 0:11:31.280 look over at you, look over at her. We're looking. 0:11:31.360 --> 0:11:34.480 We rolled our eyes yes, when a line was said 0:11:34.600 --> 0:11:38.040 or a moment happened, like seriously, I just come on 0:11:38.840 --> 0:11:43.360 and look, it's difficult to This is how it read 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:45.480 to us. There are people out there who loved it 0:11:45.559 --> 0:11:47.520 and loved the new message and love the update. 0:11:47.720 --> 0:11:48.959 I don't know if it's because we. 0:11:48.960 --> 0:11:51.480 Are a little older, a little old school and grew up, 0:11:51.520 --> 0:11:54.319 and maybe that's the case and this one. There are 0:11:54.400 --> 0:11:56.360 plenty of people out there who are gonna love this movie. 0:11:56.640 --> 0:11:59.400 It just it felt this way to us coming out 0:11:59.400 --> 0:12:01.720 of there. And it started off the jump. I talked 0:12:01.760 --> 0:12:05.480 about the open, just the Disney open, But when the 0:12:05.520 --> 0:12:08.840 movie started, the first scene was essentially an explanation of 0:12:08.880 --> 0:12:11.360 the name, and that was when the first rolling of 0:12:11.360 --> 0:12:13.800 the eyes took place. You got to explain why you 0:12:13.840 --> 0:12:15.600 don't have a white girl playing snow. 0:12:15.400 --> 0:12:18.160 White whose skin is white as snow. So they made 0:12:18.200 --> 0:12:20.840 this whole big scene about a snowstorm and how the 0:12:20.880 --> 0:12:23.160 baby was born in the snowstorm and that's why her 0:12:23.240 --> 0:12:26.599 name was snow White. So they're already trying to explain. 0:12:26.760 --> 0:12:27.360 In a. 0:12:28.880 --> 0:12:30.800 I don't know and a woke away. You know, we 0:12:30.880 --> 0:12:33.720 don't just have a white girl whose skin is white 0:12:33.720 --> 0:12:36.840 as snow. It just already felt forced from the beginning. 0:12:36.960 --> 0:12:38.439 So yes, that was the first eye roll. 0:12:38.559 --> 0:12:40.800 That's how it felt forced. And it almost seemed like 0:12:40.800 --> 0:12:43.200 a throwaway because it wasn't a long scene, I mean 0:12:43.480 --> 0:12:44.560 no minutes. 0:12:44.760 --> 0:12:48.440 Yes. And the other thing I thought was interesting, well, 0:12:49.120 --> 0:12:54.240 we haven't even discussed or addressed the CGI dwarves, so 0:12:55.760 --> 0:12:58.840 a lot was made of this. And Peter Dinklice, who 0:12:59.120 --> 0:13:03.040 we've I love, who was brilliant, you know, certainly spoke 0:13:03.080 --> 0:13:06.040 about how, oh you're going to modernize snow White, You're 0:13:06.080 --> 0:13:08.480 going to make her empowered, Yet you're going to leave 0:13:08.720 --> 0:13:12.920 these dwarves, you know, as these cavemen who can't help 0:13:12.960 --> 0:13:15.200 themselves and need a woman to come in and fix 0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:17.200 their lives for them. In addition to the fact that 0:13:17.240 --> 0:13:21.400 you're not casting actual dwarfs who would love to be 0:13:21.440 --> 0:13:24.640 employed and probably play a role of a lifetime that 0:13:24.720 --> 0:13:27.200 was made for them, that was literally written for them. 0:13:27.960 --> 0:13:30.319 As I was watching the movie, two things stood out 0:13:30.360 --> 0:13:32.679 to me. First of all, I think it was highly 0:13:32.720 --> 0:13:36.319 offensive that they were the only human CGI. The other 0:13:36.400 --> 0:13:40.240 CGIs were the birds and the squirrels and the forest animals, 0:13:40.280 --> 0:13:44.959 and so that is just innately offensive in and of itself, 0:13:45.040 --> 0:13:48.560 I would imagine. And then I just felt like the 0:13:48.600 --> 0:13:53.320 acting suffered because it just felt like I was watching 0:13:53.400 --> 0:13:57.720 Rachel Zegler talk to a siege like to nothing. You 0:13:57.760 --> 0:14:00.400 didn't feel a connection. As much as we loved the 0:14:00.440 --> 0:14:05.360 Dopey character who was CGI, it the connection wasn't able 0:14:05.360 --> 0:14:07.400 to be what it could have been had there actually 0:14:07.480 --> 0:14:13.199 been actors. 0:14:17.800 --> 0:14:19.720 Is it fair to say that so much of the 0:14:19.800 --> 0:14:22.600 charm and warmth and fun of this movie the original 0:14:22.800 --> 0:14:24.040 was in the seven Dwarfs? 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:26.160 Absolutely right, Yes, this. 0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:29.640 Their little personalities and all that came through in that one. 0:14:29.720 --> 0:14:31.600 It didn't come through in this one. For whatever reason, 0:14:32.440 --> 0:14:32.960 it just didn't. 0:14:33.280 --> 0:14:36.120 Was because there weren't humans emoting. 0:14:35.640 --> 0:14:39.280 That grumpy I just they didn't stand out. Now, Dopey 0:14:39.520 --> 0:14:41.520 is a big deal for a lot of reasons. In 0:14:41.560 --> 0:14:44.240 the movie, he just happened to be a he was 0:14:44.280 --> 0:14:47.000 then did he play that central of a role in 0:14:46.840 --> 0:14:48.520 the original He was. 0:14:48.480 --> 0:14:51.920 The young you know, is he the young the younger 0:14:52.000 --> 0:14:55.400 dwarf who had like the oversized clothes. Yes, but he didn't. 0:14:55.120 --> 0:14:59.760 Speak, didn't speak well. Dopey has a voice that. 0:14:59.760 --> 0:15:02.760 Was that was probably the highlight of the movie for 0:15:02.840 --> 0:15:04.680 all of us. We agreed. When we walked out of 0:15:04.680 --> 0:15:05.840 the theater, Dopey. 0:15:05.600 --> 0:15:09.920 The Cgidope looked like what a nine year old boy 0:15:09.960 --> 0:15:12.640 maybe possibly living with all these grown men. 0:15:12.720 --> 0:15:12.960 It was. 0:15:13.080 --> 0:15:15.760 It was odd, but he had a particular look to him. 0:15:15.880 --> 0:15:17.520 He has one dancing scene. 0:15:17.680 --> 0:15:18.360 It's hilarious. 0:15:18.440 --> 0:15:19.040 That's hilarious. 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:21.840 Okay, we did laugh. That was a joyful moment watching 0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:25.560 the movie. We all enjoyed it. We weren't laughing at 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:28.280 it or we were actually laughing with it. It felt 0:15:28.400 --> 0:15:30.960 fun and it was all Dope. He stole the. 0:15:30.960 --> 0:15:33.640 Scene, but he had a central He became very much 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:37.680 a central character in a I guess All this really 0:15:37.720 --> 0:15:39.800 pulls down to is know why trying to take back 0:15:39.840 --> 0:15:43.840 over the kingdom. Yes, and so there's almost she leads 0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:48.160 a band of I guess woods. 0:15:47.800 --> 0:15:48.920 Misfits yes. 0:15:50.480 --> 0:15:52.200 To do it and you no, not. 0:15:52.160 --> 0:15:53.200 A weapon in hand? 0:15:53.360 --> 0:15:57.840 No? And look, that general theme holds another point that 0:15:58.480 --> 0:16:01.080 Gal Gadot, you know, it's fun. With all of the 0:16:01.160 --> 0:16:05.240 controversies about this film coming into the film, none of 0:16:05.240 --> 0:16:08.040 that was what I was even thinking about. It had 0:16:08.160 --> 0:16:10.560 zero impact on me watching the film. There were so 0:16:10.640 --> 0:16:13.760 many other things that were I was focused on that. 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:16.160 It's funny that all the noise we heard about that 0:16:16.480 --> 0:16:20.720 maybe prevented people from going to the theater, That like wasn't 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:23.920 even a part of the equation in terms of how 0:16:23.920 --> 0:16:28.479 we felt about the film. But you know, she didn't. 0:16:28.960 --> 0:16:32.240 She wasn't scary. You know, you almost wanted her. She 0:16:32.320 --> 0:16:36.240 needed to be more frightening, more menacing, more It was 0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:38.680 I don't know, it just was flat for me. And 0:16:38.720 --> 0:16:41.360 so that was also another part that was really missing, 0:16:41.360 --> 0:16:44.240 as there was no fear there. So we have a 0:16:44.280 --> 0:16:49.520 fearless heroine who stands up to anything in anyone, even 0:16:49.560 --> 0:16:52.400 with a dagger in, you know, right up to her neck, 0:16:52.440 --> 0:16:55.280 and then you've got a villain who isn't terrifying. So 0:16:55.400 --> 0:16:58.160 it like who am I? Who am I rooting for? 0:16:58.200 --> 0:17:01.480 Who am I scared for? I didn't feel anything deeply 0:17:01.600 --> 0:17:04.240 because I don't think that either one of the heroines 0:17:04.280 --> 0:17:07.280 played or the heroine or the villain played them the 0:17:07.320 --> 0:17:09.159 way they were originally played because they wanted to make 0:17:09.200 --> 0:17:09.760 them different. 0:17:09.880 --> 0:17:11.960 Right, That's okay, Right, that's okay. 0:17:12.040 --> 0:17:14.439 It just left it left It left me, you know 0:17:14.480 --> 0:17:17.320 what someone said, Hi ho hum, and I when I 0:17:17.359 --> 0:17:20.560 saw that as one of the reviews, that kind of 0:17:20.640 --> 0:17:23.320 is what you're left with when you don't when you 0:17:23.320 --> 0:17:25.080 aren't willing to take a stand on either way, you're 0:17:25.080 --> 0:17:29.119 trying to play it safe. Basically from a retelling perspective, 0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:33.960 you end up either offending everybody or affecting no one. 0:17:34.000 --> 0:17:35.440 And I feel like it kind of did both. 0:17:36.359 --> 0:17:38.040 Oh, they took a shot. 0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:41.080 I hate to deal with that word woke so much 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:44.480 and wokeness and what anybody was going for on this movie. Look, 0:17:44.680 --> 0:17:47.320 I'm okay with them taking the liberties, and they have 0:17:47.400 --> 0:17:50.000 to be okay with folks like you and me not 0:17:50.200 --> 0:17:53.080 really saying it's our thing, right, And that's okay. 0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:53.560 I think it was. 0:17:53.720 --> 0:17:56.359 I loved her outfit, that yellow skirt. I thought that 0:17:56.440 --> 0:17:59.800 was beautiful throughout she there is a zero question about 0:17:59.800 --> 0:18:00.639 her singing talent. 0:18:01.160 --> 0:18:01.919 She's phenomenal. 0:18:02.040 --> 0:18:05.840 Virgil Zeggler, who else gave us a good performance the 0:18:05.960 --> 0:18:09.600 Jonathan Okay, let's let's deal with it. Oh, yes, right, yes, 0:18:10.000 --> 0:18:13.400 we just watched. In the original, she meets the guy 0:18:13.440 --> 0:18:15.840 because he rolls up on a white horse. Yes, yes, 0:18:15.960 --> 0:18:17.000 finds her in the wood. 0:18:16.840 --> 0:18:19.240 Prince Charming, literally Prince Charming. 0:18:19.520 --> 0:18:21.880 How does she find this guy? How'd they meet? 0:18:22.080 --> 0:18:24.719 Wait? He was stealing Oh yes, right, he was stealing 0:18:24.720 --> 0:18:28.680 potatoes from the castle, and so, yes he was. That's 0:18:28.840 --> 0:18:32.639 very much like Tangled. He's he's the thief for the 0:18:32.800 --> 0:18:35.640 you know, just kind of a petty thief who's wanted 0:18:35.680 --> 0:18:38.199 by the law. That's where I saw a little Tangled, ESK. 0:18:38.280 --> 0:18:40.119 What they missed is they didn't have the snark and 0:18:40.160 --> 0:18:42.520 the wit that you got with Tangled. This was just 0:18:42.600 --> 0:18:46.400 kind of a yeah, I'm stealing potatoes and that was it, 0:18:47.040 --> 0:18:51.520 and she was, you know, trying to fend for him. 0:18:51.800 --> 0:18:57.520 It's just h meh. I didn't I didn't feel the chemistry. Also, 0:18:57.520 --> 0:18:59.840 I didn't feel chemistry between that was my word. Next, 0:19:00.480 --> 0:19:03.800 I did not feel it between any of the characters. So, 0:19:04.560 --> 0:19:06.880 you know, I'm glad we saw it because I think 0:19:07.000 --> 0:19:08.960 just with so much being written about it, so much 0:19:09.000 --> 0:19:14.560 being said about it, and so much controversy in the beginning, 0:19:14.560 --> 0:19:17.720 like before we even knew anything about it, that actually 0:19:17.800 --> 0:19:20.760 had zero impact on how I feel about the actual movie. 0:19:21.119 --> 0:19:24.200 What people were concerned about in terms of what Rachel 0:19:24.280 --> 0:19:28.840 Zeckler said about Trump supporters, or what Gal Gadote said 0:19:28.880 --> 0:19:34.400 about Israel, or about any of the other issues, even 0:19:34.480 --> 0:19:36.720 the modernizing of the tale. I was interested to see 0:19:36.720 --> 0:19:39.359 what it would look like. So none of that actually 0:19:39.400 --> 0:19:42.320 factored into what my ultimate feeling was about the movie when. 0:19:42.200 --> 0:19:43.640 I watched it, not in the least bit. 0:19:43.760 --> 0:19:46.879 And for folks that don't know, if you've seen the headlines, 0:19:47.920 --> 0:19:49.960 the movie did make forty three million dollars the box 0:19:50.000 --> 0:19:51.200 office opening weekend. 0:19:51.520 --> 0:19:52.280 That's a problem. 0:19:52.400 --> 0:19:54.560 It's a problem because it cost two hundred and fifty 0:19:54.560 --> 0:19:58.040 million dollars to make, and that's before any advertising costs. 0:19:58.040 --> 0:20:01.199 It needs to have a good long theat run. The 0:20:01.280 --> 0:20:03.919 problem now is going to be Other Disney films have 0:20:04.040 --> 0:20:08.400