WEBVTT - The Bra and the Hat 0:00:00.880 --> 0:00:04.120 Hey, the folks in this episode bra and a blue 0:00:04.400 --> 0:00:08.920 brimmed hat. Two fashion statements still the show at Trump's inauguration. 0:00:09.160 --> 0:00:13.200 One was for its elegance in class, the other classless, 0:00:13.360 --> 0:00:16.400 at least according to some Welcome Everybody to Amy and TJ. 0:00:16.840 --> 0:00:19.000 I had a bra roapes. The hat in question was 0:00:19.000 --> 0:00:21.840 on the head of Milania Trump. The bra was worn 0:00:21.880 --> 0:00:25.919 by Lauren Sanchez, fiance of Amazon founder Jeff Bezos. And 0:00:25.920 --> 0:00:28.880 that's where we'll start. You saw her outfit. Did you 0:00:29.040 --> 0:00:32.080 have an initial reaction all that was going on, and 0:00:32.120 --> 0:00:34.760 then the first time we see Lauren Sanchez, did you 0:00:34.920 --> 0:00:37.400 have a reaction immediately to what she was wearing? 0:00:37.680 --> 0:00:40.480 If I'm being honest, the answer is yes, I did 0:00:40.560 --> 0:00:43.080 have an immediate reaction to what she was wearing. 0:00:43.159 --> 0:00:44.520 Okay, I was just a little shocked. 0:00:45.120 --> 0:00:49.320 Look. Look, I'm not one to pile on or judge. 0:00:49.320 --> 0:00:51.800 I think women should be able to express themselves in 0:00:51.800 --> 0:00:55.040 whatever way they'd like. And she you know, it was 0:00:55.080 --> 0:01:00.600 a beautiful suit and a beautiful bra, and it would 0:01:00.600 --> 0:01:03.840 have looked killer on a red carpet. I just was 0:01:03.880 --> 0:01:06.680 a little I was just taken aback because I wasn't 0:01:06.760 --> 0:01:12.600 expecting to see that look at a presidential inauguration. And 0:01:12.640 --> 0:01:14.520 I don't want to stand on my high horse and say, oh, 0:01:14.560 --> 0:01:17.360 I've never made a fashion mistake. That's just not true. 0:01:17.920 --> 0:01:23.000 But definitely I was. I immediately had a reaction, which 0:01:23.040 --> 0:01:26.319 I voiced, and then I believe you started looking online. 0:01:26.480 --> 0:01:30.360 Well yeah, but my reaction was, oh, I was supposed 0:01:30.360 --> 0:01:32.760 to react to that. I really was, And I asked 0:01:32.800 --> 0:01:35.959 you at the time. I just I didn't look at 0:01:35.959 --> 0:01:39.679 her and take it in. I guess the context of 0:01:39.720 --> 0:01:42.080 where she was. I didn't put it all together. I 0:01:42.080 --> 0:01:45.160 don't have that kind of fashion sense. I can look 0:01:45.160 --> 0:01:47.560 at what somebody's wearing and say you look good in that, 0:01:48.200 --> 0:01:50.520 or that doesn't look so good on you. I don't 0:01:50.920 --> 0:01:53.160 have the ability to say, well, you're wearing that, but 0:01:53.240 --> 0:01:55.720 you're wearing it here on a Tuesday and it's after 0:01:55.800 --> 0:01:58.400 four pm, so you know you're not see that kind 0:01:58.440 --> 0:02:00.720 of a thing. I know it's not that technical, but 0:02:00.800 --> 0:02:03.320 I'm saying I didn't have the I didn't immediately see 0:02:03.360 --> 0:02:06.720 her and go with the environment she was in think 0:02:06.720 --> 0:02:07.280 anything of it. 0:02:07.360 --> 0:02:09.440 Yeah, maybe, and maybe it's not fair, but women are 0:02:09.480 --> 0:02:13.239 held I think, to a very high standard where when 0:02:13.240 --> 0:02:14.960 it comes to what you wear to a wedding, what 0:02:15.040 --> 0:02:16.200 you wear to a funeral. 0:02:16.280 --> 0:02:17.760 We didn't talk about a single dude. 0:02:17.680 --> 0:02:21.880 Suit yesterday exactly, and honestly, we talked about Lauren, and 0:02:21.919 --> 0:02:26.320 we talked about Milania. But I can't remember what one 0:02:26.400 --> 0:02:29.200 dude was wearing, except for maybe hegseeth because his suit 0:02:29.240 --> 0:02:32.800 stood out as a little too flashy blue. So but 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:36.880 short of that, you're right. I mean our focus was 0:02:37.000 --> 0:02:39.800 and usually is on what women are wearing, and we 0:02:39.840 --> 0:02:42.640 do we I do want to make sure that I 0:02:42.720 --> 0:02:45.240 say this. I think we all need to give one another, 0:02:45.280 --> 0:02:48.359 meaning women to women, especially all break and I think 0:02:48.400 --> 0:02:52.480 that Lauren looked smoking in it like she did look great? 0:02:52.720 --> 0:02:54.680 Okay? Can we can you help me? First of all? 0:02:54.720 --> 0:02:57.919 And what was it? Okay? That was underneath? I heard 0:02:57.919 --> 0:03:02.320 it referred to as a bra, a boostier. I think 0:03:02.360 --> 0:03:06.160 a lace corset. What can I describe it as? Underneath? 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:10.720 At least so to me, it looked like a lacey, sexy, designer, 0:03:11.040 --> 0:03:14.840 expensive white bra. Okay, but you can call it whatever 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:17.040 you want, a form fitting white lace boostier. 0:03:17.360 --> 0:03:19.880 Is that really the right technical term for what? That was? 0:03:19.960 --> 0:03:20.440 The pressure? 0:03:20.720 --> 0:03:23.040 A lace push up broad A lace looked super hot 0:03:23.120 --> 0:03:25.560 and I'm sure it costs a lot more, but just for. 0:03:25.400 --> 0:03:27.320 What it was, is the right thing to call it 0:03:27.360 --> 0:03:32.720 a bra a boostier. I see corset throwing around genuinelyra. 0:03:32.120 --> 0:03:34.320 Or a boostier and normally look, I would think that 0:03:34.360 --> 0:03:37.800 the suit was gorgeous and tailored and beautiful. And I think, 0:03:37.880 --> 0:03:40.760 you know, she had paired it with a tight blouse 0:03:40.880 --> 0:03:43.400 or like that. Would it just was a little extra. 0:03:43.600 --> 0:03:46.960 And I like, to me, I thought when she was 0:03:46.960 --> 0:03:48.760 turning and she you know, the camp, she was in 0:03:48.800 --> 0:03:51.760 a very prominent position, and it looked like it was 0:03:51.800 --> 0:03:53.920 absolutely raw because I saw her stomach, I saw her 0:03:53.960 --> 0:03:56.240 midrift a little bit when she was moving around. 0:03:56.000 --> 0:03:58.200 So it looked like to me, okay, and we should 0:03:58.200 --> 0:04:02.280 say what she was wearing was a white Alexander McQueen pantsuit, 0:04:02.440 --> 0:04:06.600 low cut blazer, and that bra underneath suit was amazing. 0:04:06.640 --> 0:04:09.160 It was a pantsuit. It was her take on a pantsuit, 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:11.800 which I'm told is the appropriate thing for a woman 0:04:11.800 --> 0:04:13.040 to wear in such that environment. 0:04:13.080 --> 0:04:14.960 Yeah, she no, she looked great. It was just to 0:04:15.000 --> 0:04:16.600 me it was just a little shocking. But you know what, 0:04:17.440 --> 0:04:18.680 she looked fantastic. 0:04:18.800 --> 0:04:21.279 So it is what it is, Okay. So now let's 0:04:21.279 --> 0:04:22.640 go back it, folks, if you haven't seen some of 0:04:22.680 --> 0:04:27.640 the reaction. She was. Again, as of this recording, she 0:04:27.920 --> 0:04:33.200 was trending higher than anything else related to the inauguration 0:04:33.360 --> 0:04:35.960 on the Google trends. At least people were searching her 0:04:36.080 --> 0:04:38.480 up more than they were searching most of the things 0:04:38.480 --> 0:04:40.680 that Trump said. She was the number two trending topic 0:04:40.720 --> 0:04:43.840 the twenty four hours after the inauguration. That's incredible. 0:04:43.880 --> 0:04:45.000 That's the story in and of its. 0:04:45.040 --> 0:04:47.479 Obviously everybody was talking about her, but some of the 0:04:47.560 --> 0:04:51.600 words being thrown around, and this is something I hate 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:52.800 to do, not going to go through a lot and 0:04:52.839 --> 0:04:54.800 the sign I mean, because some prominent folks came out 0:04:54.800 --> 0:04:59.360 as well, but I'm quoting incredibly inappropriate. I'm quoting as well, 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:03.240 show some class. Quoting again here that she forgot to 0:05:03.240 --> 0:05:04.800 put on a shirt. A lot of people said that, 0:05:04.839 --> 0:05:06.240 and a lot of people got a little nasty, and 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:07.880 we're using words like prostitute and hooker. 0:05:08.000 --> 0:05:12.680 That's terrible, that's terrible. Yeah, I saw incredibly inappropriately dressed, 0:05:12.760 --> 0:05:15.800 not acceptable. But you know, at the end of the day, 0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:20.080 no one was harmed. There were no injuries as a 0:05:20.080 --> 0:05:25.960 result of Lauren Sanchez looking a little sexy at the inauguration. 0:05:26.240 --> 0:05:28.520 So there's nothing wrong with what she was wearing. The 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:30.720 problem people have is where she was wearing it. Is 0:05:30.760 --> 0:05:31.839 that correct, I believe? 0:05:31.920 --> 0:05:32.800 So that is the case. 0:05:32.960 --> 0:05:34.479 Hey, for you as well. I mean seeing it on 0:05:34.520 --> 0:05:36.839 a red carpet, you said anything about it that's hot? 0:05:36.960 --> 0:05:37.200 Yeah? 0:05:37.520 --> 0:05:41.320 Does it matter then that this is completely one brand 0:05:41.360 --> 0:05:44.000 for Lauren Sanchez. If you haven't seen this woman in 0:05:44.040 --> 0:05:47.240 the past several years, she's a lace fan. To be 0:05:47.279 --> 0:05:48.760 honest with you, I love lace too. 0:05:48.800 --> 0:05:50.640 By the way, if you if you search up some 0:05:50.680 --> 0:05:53.039 red carpet photos of me, I had a green lace 0:05:53.200 --> 0:05:56.279 kind of boostier like dress on the red carpet. So again, 0:05:56.440 --> 0:05:59.440 I am living in my glasshouse. I like lace's. 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:01.240 Oh no, again, I want to be clear you you 0:06:01.480 --> 0:06:03.480 you put a little hard on yourself there. I don't 0:06:03.520 --> 0:06:06.400 think you're throwing stones at Lauren Sanchez in the least bit. 0:06:07.839 --> 0:06:11.279 But she has her look. She is literally, like really 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:14.000 a lace fan like you. You look at my stuff like, wow, 0:06:14.080 --> 0:06:16.880 TJ likes black and maybe look like leather. You look, yes, 0:06:17.000 --> 0:06:19.240 you look at her style leather, you will say, oh, 0:06:19.279 --> 0:06:23.280 she's lace. Her look from Milan was something else. She 0:06:23.320 --> 0:06:26.279 went to a what was the uh the Japanese Prime minister. 0:06:26.360 --> 0:06:28.240 It was a state dinner at the White House. She 0:06:28.320 --> 0:06:30.960 wore a rod Oh, she got a lacy number. 0:06:31.120 --> 0:06:32.840 She got a lot of hate for that as well. 0:06:32.880 --> 0:06:37.159 And you know what, look she she understands. I'm sure 0:06:37.200 --> 0:06:40.200 she sees and hears some of the reaction and clearly 0:06:40.279 --> 0:06:42.640 she doesn't mind it because she's doing her a thing. 0:06:42.760 --> 0:06:45.120 But is it possible she ain't even thinking about it? 0:06:45.160 --> 0:06:47.360 Is it possible this is her style? She is doing 0:06:47.400 --> 0:06:49.839 her thing, she's not looking at what anybody is saying 0:06:49.839 --> 0:06:51.719 about her, and she's going about her day because it's 0:06:51.720 --> 0:06:53.520 something she likes to wear. 0:06:53.760 --> 0:06:55.040 I hope that's what she's doing. 0:06:55.120 --> 0:06:58.880 Oh, it's that. It's that simple. And why aren't there something? 0:06:58.920 --> 0:07:02.719 I don't know if there artists right, certain singers they 0:07:02.760 --> 0:07:05.479 have I wear jeans and cowboy boots everywhere. I'm gonna 0:07:05.520 --> 0:07:08.040 always wear this hat no matter where they go. They 0:07:08.080 --> 0:07:14.640 still stick to their thing, their brand. Is this different now? 0:07:14.840 --> 0:07:17.680 I just think women are tough on other women when 0:07:17.720 --> 0:07:23.480 they dress sexy somewhere that is potentially considered more formal 0:07:23.720 --> 0:07:24.880 or more conservative. 0:07:25.280 --> 0:07:26.880 Do you think no doubt this is all coming? I 0:07:26.920 --> 0:07:30.280 say all, but I mean, relatively speaking, all coming from women. 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:35.239 Yes, we're the harshest critics for one another, unfortunately. And look, 0:07:35.480 --> 0:07:37.680 I think it's it's interesting. I did a little bit 0:07:37.720 --> 0:07:40.160 of a deep dive on why we're so obsessed with 0:07:40.200 --> 0:07:43.800 what women wear, specifically to an inauguration. But it is 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:47.080 kind of like the Oscars for Washington, and especially yesterday, 0:07:47.080 --> 0:07:50.560 because it was all indoors. You know, Normally she would 0:07:50.600 --> 0:07:51.480 have been bundled up. 0:07:51.640 --> 0:07:53.560 Maybe she wouldn't have been, but she knew what she 0:07:53.560 --> 0:07:55.400 did come in with a coat. It was cold. Yesterday, 0:07:55.440 --> 0:07:56.840 she came in with a coat, and then she took 0:07:56.880 --> 0:08:01.320 it off with a big reveal, a moment like the 0:08:01.360 --> 0:08:02.640 show was starting, and you know. 0:08:02.600 --> 0:08:05.720 What, she may have planned that and is loving it, 0:08:05.760 --> 0:08:07.520 you know, and that's good for her, you know. I 0:08:07.640 --> 0:08:10.720 just that was a choice. It was deliberate, it was intentional, 0:08:11.120 --> 0:08:14.760 and she looked great, you know. And and because the 0:08:14.800 --> 0:08:18.960 ceremony was indoors, I do think it gave women's fashion 0:08:19.080 --> 0:08:23.440 choices a bigger spie light, spotlight than would have been otherwise. 0:08:23.480 --> 0:08:27.120 Now we always do traditionally. Look, I mean I remember 0:08:28.000 --> 0:08:31.080 covering when Barack Obama and Michelle Obama came out. Jay 0:08:31.160 --> 0:08:34.320 cru sold out of the gloves that Michelle Obama was wearing. 0:08:34.600 --> 0:08:37.640 Sasha and Malia had Jay Crewe outfits on our coats. 0:08:37.800 --> 0:08:39.560 I remember when I was working for the Today Show, 0:08:39.559 --> 0:08:42.160 they sent me to Jay crew Uh to talk about, 0:08:42.360 --> 0:08:45.120 you know, the affordable fashion worn by the First Family 0:08:45.160 --> 0:08:49.080 that everybody now wanted. You think about even the royals, 0:08:49.080 --> 0:08:52.600 from Princess Diana Tock, Princess Kate to Megan Markle. Anytime 0:08:52.679 --> 0:08:58.720 they wear anything, it's scrutinized, it's disgust and usually those 0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:02.640 items are sold out. So women know when they walk 0:09:02.679 --> 0:09:05.200 into even if it's in a political forum or in 0:09:05.240 --> 0:09:10.320 a formal setting, what they wear sometimes, unfortunately becomes more 0:09:10.360 --> 0:09:12.960 important or a bigger deal than what is said, or 0:09:13.000 --> 0:09:16.000 what policy is being made, or what peaceful transition of 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:16.960 power is happening. 0:09:17.360 --> 0:09:20.800 Well, I mean, the difference in your scenario there is 0:09:20.840 --> 0:09:23.360 that she is not in the First Family. She was 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:24.680 not a part of the First Family, She is not 0:09:24.679 --> 0:09:27.120 the First Lady. She is just a guess sitting next 0:09:27.160 --> 0:09:30.800 to a dude. Well, I mean, at the end of 0:09:30.840 --> 0:09:32.880 the day, just to do will we be talking about 0:09:32.920 --> 0:09:35.000 any other woman dressed like this? Is because of where 0:09:35.000 --> 0:09:37.920 she is in the prominence, of her prominence, of her seat. 0:09:38.360 --> 0:09:40.960 That did make a big, big difference. And she is 0:09:41.000 --> 0:09:44.280 someone now who is engaged to Jeff Bezos, of course, 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:47.679 the head of Amazon. She is meeting heads of state. 0:09:47.920 --> 0:09:50.840 You know, suddenly now we're seeing, at least in this administration, 0:09:51.480 --> 0:09:54.840 that tech titans and billionaires and people who might not 0:09:54.920 --> 0:09:59.760 normally be in a position of confidence or power within 0:10:00.120 --> 0:10:03.760 our own political structure are now kind of a part 0:10:04.000 --> 0:10:08.800 of the direction our country is heading in. So her influence, 0:10:09.440 --> 0:10:13.240 her prominence next to Bezos, who's next to Trump, all 0:10:13.280 --> 0:10:14.640 somehow becomes more important. 0:10:14.640 --> 0:10:27.560 Now, wait a minute, you're equating her outfit to what 0:10:27.840 --> 0:10:30.640 I'm just sting because she's dressed this, because she's around 0:10:30.640 --> 0:10:32.440 certain people, she now needs to change how she's. 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:34.240 No, I'm not saying she needs to change. What I'm 0:10:34.280 --> 0:10:38.160 saying is people care more now because what she's wearing. Yes, yeah, 0:10:38.200 --> 0:10:42.240 it matters more because it's in a brighter spotlight. 0:10:42.320 --> 0:10:45.160 Does it matter or is this just the spotlight doesn't matter? 0:10:45.200 --> 0:10:45.800 Doesn't Okay? 0:10:45.840 --> 0:10:49.880 Actually, but look think about it. We have an entire 0:10:50.120 --> 0:10:52.880 and it was it's one of my favorite displays. I'm 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:55.080 not a big museum person, but if you go to 0:10:55.120 --> 0:10:58.360 the National Museum of American History. The First Lady's Collection 0:10:58.440 --> 0:11:01.240 is one of the most popular exhibit because everyone wants 0:11:01.280 --> 0:11:04.800 to see what the First Ladies wore to their inaugural balls. 0:11:04.840 --> 0:11:08.040 I mean, that's a part of who we are, right. 0:11:07.920 --> 0:11:10.400 I'll keep hooting and hollering, this is she's just a guest. 0:11:10.520 --> 0:11:14.280 I understand about the First Ladies. She's a guest. And again, 0:11:14.320 --> 0:11:16.600 this will be a cycle, it'll be quick, it'll happen. 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:21.319 But still, I why is it that we I say why? 0:11:21.360 --> 0:11:23.040 Everybody knows the answer, and it's kind of a will, 0:11:23.080 --> 0:11:25.720 of course, But how do we get beyond the just? 0:11:25.840 --> 0:11:28.400 Of course we're going to talk about women's and women's 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:30.720 fashion and what they're wearing marlv and of course that's 0:11:30.720 --> 0:11:34.160 what's gonna happen. And you, if you're honest with yourself, 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:36.800 was you were watching yesterday you saw, oh, look what 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:38.840 she's wearing. Ooh she decided to wear that. Oh she 0:11:38.920 --> 0:11:41.319 looks nice today? Of random women you just sawlun te 0:11:41.400 --> 0:11:41.880 hundred percent. 0:11:41.880 --> 0:11:43.559 I'm guilty of it. I do it when I watched 0:11:43.600 --> 0:11:46.720 the Red Carpet previews. And I think most women, if 0:11:46.720 --> 0:11:49.560 they're honest, and some men too, we all do it. 0:11:49.559 --> 0:11:50.959 It's look a red. 0:11:50.760 --> 0:11:52.760 Carpet preview is different from yesterday. 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:54.240 It kind of felt a little bit like that. I 0:11:54.320 --> 0:11:57.920 even saw we were watching, you know, even like Barack 0:11:57.960 --> 0:12:00.000 Obama walk down what kind of seemed like a red 0:12:00.120 --> 0:12:03.160 carpets strutting down, like we were even discussing how people 0:12:03.160 --> 0:12:06.960 were walking with or without confidence. These aren't people who 0:12:06.960 --> 0:12:10.400 aren't necessarily trained to step and repeat and pose and 0:12:10.800 --> 0:12:14.000 you know, behead turners. So it's just interesting to watch 0:12:14.040 --> 0:12:17.360 the whole procession and pomp and circumstance take place as 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:18.880 much as we have that in this kind. 0:12:18.720 --> 0:12:22.760 Of and poor Marcus Zuckerberg, poor fellow, I mean, this 0:12:22.920 --> 0:12:24.560 is going around and around in just as much a 0:12:24.559 --> 0:12:26.760 part of the story as anything, and probably highlighted what 0:12:26.840 --> 0:12:29.240 she was wearing more than anything because he was sitting 0:12:29.360 --> 0:12:32.120 right next to her during the event. And at some 0:12:32.240 --> 0:12:36.040 point you'll see the still image everywhere and the headline 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:40.640 will say Marcus Zuckerberg caught what looking sneaking a peek, yes, 0:12:40.880 --> 0:12:43.840 or even staring. Some are saying at her cleavage. And 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:47.160 if you see the image, the still image, it does 0:12:47.200 --> 0:12:50.480 look like his eyes are trained down right next to 0:12:50.520 --> 0:12:51.079 him where. 0:12:50.880 --> 0:12:53.120 She says, isn't it hard for men? I'm just curious. 0:12:53.280 --> 0:12:55.280 You're a man, You're sitting next to a woman wearing that, 0:12:55.720 --> 0:12:56.319 what do you do? 0:12:57.000 --> 0:13:01.880 Eyes front, eyes front you. It's a you have to 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:04.000 do it. You have to train yourself to do it. 0:13:04.000 --> 0:13:06.439 And I am around and in my career been round 0:13:06.520 --> 0:13:09.440 enough and enough pictures have been taken that you do 0:13:09.520 --> 0:13:12.640 not ever want to be in that position. And it's 0:13:12.840 --> 0:13:14.240 and now I was going to ask you that question. 0:13:14.679 --> 0:13:16.800 Back to Zuckerberg. If you look at the video, he's 0:13:16.840 --> 0:13:19.640 obviously not staring. He took a glance that. It was 0:13:19.679 --> 0:13:21.400 a split second and I'm not even sure if he 0:13:21.440 --> 0:13:23.400 was looking down at her chest or not if he 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:26.560 was okay, but I'm saying it was a quick glance. 0:13:26.600 --> 0:13:28.280 So if you see a steel frame of him just 0:13:28.280 --> 0:13:30.360 staring it, it's. 0:13:30.200 --> 0:13:33.360 An unfair characterization of what he was doing. 0:13:33.559 --> 0:13:36.040 But yes, it does look like he glanced that glances down. 0:13:36.120 --> 0:13:40.240 My question to you, to every woman and every guy 0:13:40.400 --> 0:13:46.800 is listening, what is proper behavior when someone is dressed 0:13:46.840 --> 0:13:50.160 in such a way revealing, sexy, beautiful, whatever you want 0:13:50.160 --> 0:13:54.360 to call it, but expose or at least showcasing some 0:13:54.600 --> 0:13:57.280 asset of theirs. In such a way, whether that's legs, 0:13:57.280 --> 0:14:02.000 whether that's butt, whether that's chest. Is it ever appropriate 0:14:02.559 --> 0:14:06.679 to look, not gawk, not stare, not sexualize. Is it 0:14:06.800 --> 0:14:11.199 ever okay if you see a guy looking at you 0:14:11.480 --> 0:14:14.120 in that asset where it's not offensive. 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:20.480 Oh, this is such a tricky question. So I am 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:22.680 of the belief not everyone is gonna agree with me. 0:14:23.280 --> 0:14:29.920 A lingering glance, a gross lecherous glance. No, never, okay, 0:14:30.320 --> 0:14:33.680 that means like lasting more than a second. Like that 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:38.680 to me feels like you're being ogled. Now, I'm not look. 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:41.800 I don't know how people would characterize how I dress. 0:14:41.920 --> 0:14:45.200 But if I know that, I'm clearly showing off some cleavage, 0:14:45.200 --> 0:14:49.080 which I don't really I don't think that's really my mL. 0:14:49.120 --> 0:14:52.680 But if I chose to do that, that's great. If 0:14:52.720 --> 0:14:55.320 I chose to, If I, you know what, a short 0:14:55.360 --> 0:14:58.960 skirt showing a lot of leg I have absolutely done that. 0:14:59.640 --> 0:15:02.840 If some one glances, I would take it as a compliment. 0:15:02.920 --> 0:15:05.360 And clearly I'm I'm dressed in a way where I 0:15:05.400 --> 0:15:08.840 am showcasing or I am highlighting something that I think 0:15:08.920 --> 0:15:10.960 is an asset of mind. I think most women dress 0:15:11.080 --> 0:15:12.960 with that in mind. When they think about what they're 0:15:13.000 --> 0:15:15.720 gonna wear, especially to a public event where they know 0:15:15.720 --> 0:15:17.440 they're going to be photographed or they know they're going 0:15:17.480 --> 0:15:20.000 to be cameras. I think you do try at least 0:15:20.080 --> 0:15:22.280 I try to say what would I like to highlight? 0:15:22.640 --> 0:15:25.640 Would I like to hide? And so if someone glance 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:27.480 is it's something that I want to highlight, I take 0:15:27.480 --> 0:15:34.119 it as a compliment. Now there is a facial expression 0:15:35.000 --> 0:15:38.400 or a lingering glance that can suggest something that feels not. 0:15:39.160 --> 0:15:41.320 There's so much nuance here. 0:15:41.560 --> 0:15:42.320 There is nuance. 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:44.800 So the timing up. You tell me a second, so 0:15:44.840 --> 0:15:46.640 you are speaking on behalf of all women when you 0:15:46.720 --> 0:15:48.760 say fellas, you can look for one second and one 0:15:48.800 --> 0:15:49.360 second only. 0:15:49.680 --> 0:15:54.080 You can look for a yeah, for like a short 0:15:54.160 --> 0:15:57.240 like a glance, a glance. And I am somebody who 0:15:57.320 --> 0:15:59.400 said I don't mind if someone says you look nice tonight, 0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:02.360 but if you're like, damn, look at those legs or wow, 0:16:02.480 --> 0:16:04.480 look at that rack, that's a problem. 0:16:04.600 --> 0:16:05.880 Nobody's gonna say that. 0:16:05.880 --> 0:16:09.040 That's not what we're talking about, clearly, But this is 0:16:09.600 --> 0:16:12.040 this is such a thing where a woman wants to 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:16.440 show off, yes, a particular asset, and then it's viewed 0:16:16.640 --> 0:16:17.280 as well. 0:16:17.320 --> 0:16:20.960 You better not look at that asset. Look. 0:16:21.160 --> 0:16:24.240 I know that I am not speaking for everyone here. 0:16:24.400 --> 0:16:26.960 I don't if I'm gonna show something off. I don't 0:16:27.000 --> 0:16:27.840 mind if people look. 0:16:29.160 --> 0:16:32.480 But where'd you think of zuckerberber Dickie. 0:16:32.960 --> 0:16:35.320 I think it was innocent. I think he loves his wife, 0:16:35.360 --> 0:16:37.480 and I think I might have even taken a glance. 0:16:37.960 --> 0:16:39.800 I think I might have even taken a glance too, 0:16:39.800 --> 0:16:41.960 if I were sitting next to Lauren Sanchez, like damn, 0:16:43.120 --> 0:16:46.280 in a complimentary way, not in a judgment. 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:48.160 Way, like I wouldn't have it. The whole ceremony. We've 0:16:48.200 --> 0:16:50.400 been talking about what's wrong with TJ's neck. He won't 0:16:50.400 --> 0:16:52.440 turn it to the left or right, he's just looking 0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:53.080 straight ahead. 0:16:53.760 --> 0:16:56.360 Do you think that it's appropriate for man to even 0:16:56.400 --> 0:16:58.160 glance at a woman who is dressed a certain way? 0:16:58.200 --> 0:17:00.880 I would recommend to every fella on planet Earth don't 0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:05.360 do it. Don't just don't do it. It's not worth it. 0:17:05.359 --> 0:17:08.240 It's just not. I mean, you see, we all see 0:17:08.280 --> 0:17:11.560 beautiful things all day long, and you take a look 0:17:11.600 --> 0:17:13.879 at that beautiful thing. You don't have to sexualize, you 0:17:13.880 --> 0:17:16.960 don't desire, you're not going after it. It's just not 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:20.120 I've seen guys in nice suits and I'll check him out, like, wow, 0:17:20.160 --> 0:17:22.240 that's the cook at the cut on that suit man. 0:17:22.240 --> 0:17:24.480 They got rid of that neck roll and everything. Yes, 0:17:24.600 --> 0:17:25.200 I've done that. 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:30.640 It's admiring someone and admiring the beauty of something or someone, 0:17:30.840 --> 0:17:34.119 and it's meant in a positive way, not in a 0:17:34.240 --> 0:17:36.000 sexual way. And I think you kind of just nailed 0:17:36.000 --> 0:17:37.520 it in a way that maybe I was struggling with 0:17:37.560 --> 0:17:40.560 how to how to characterize it. But you can tell 0:17:40.600 --> 0:17:43.040 immediately the way someone's looking at you As a woman, 0:17:43.280 --> 0:17:45.560 I can tell if someone is looking at me in 0:17:45.600 --> 0:17:49.239 a complimentary way or in a very sexualized way, and 0:17:49.280 --> 0:17:51.399 you just know it. It's like your eyes or your 0:17:51.400 --> 0:17:55.000 facial expression. There's something about it that either feels complimentary 0:17:55.200 --> 0:17:57.040 or like repulsive. 0:17:57.160 --> 0:18:00.359 Well, no guy is going to I think should should 0:18:00.359 --> 0:18:03.879 bank on a woman be able, being able to look. 0:18:04.200 --> 0:18:06.920 She's gonna know this look is just a friendly look. 0:18:07.440 --> 0:18:10.719 It'll be No, fellas, do not leave that for a second. 0:18:12.720 --> 0:18:16.800 I'm leading I'm leading men down a dangerous pith. Sorry, 0:18:16.840 --> 0:18:17.240 don't look. 0:18:17.359 --> 0:18:20.440 Don't listen to this one. But no, it's just one 0:18:20.480 --> 0:18:22.440 of it. Bade me think about it all the time, 0:18:22.480 --> 0:18:24.680 and I and I get it. It is I would 0:18:24.720 --> 0:18:28.040 always err on the side of do not do it. 0:18:28.119 --> 0:18:30.000 That is smart, That is smart. 0:18:29.720 --> 0:18:30.920 And I have and I think I've talked to you 0:18:31.000 --> 0:18:34.159 about this when it's there, you know what, having a 0:18:34.200 --> 0:18:38.000 conversation with someone who has on something that Lauren had 0:18:38.000 --> 0:18:41.159 on right exposed right since she waits cleavage, Having a 0:18:41.600 --> 0:18:44.840 conversation with those folks that those women think I'm looking 0:18:44.840 --> 0:18:47.480 through to their souls because my eye I widen my 0:18:47.560 --> 0:18:49.760 eyes and I stare into their eyes the whole time 0:18:49.800 --> 0:18:52.800 to make sure she understands I am only looking at 0:18:52.800 --> 0:18:56.480 your eyes, dear lady, only looking at your eyes. But no, 0:18:56.600 --> 0:18:59.280 that was was fascinating yesterday. Will continue to be talked about. 0:18:59.280 --> 0:19:03.760 It just I what's appropriate dress? What's not appropriate dress? 0:19:03.760 --> 0:19:06.280 Who gets to say what's appropriate? And I guess how 0:19:06.359 --> 0:19:08.760 much freedom does she get to be herself and express 0:19:08.800 --> 0:19:12.119 herself in all venues. She didn't walk in there with something. 0:19:12.760 --> 0:19:15.400 I mean, she don't walk in there naked. Some people 0:19:15.440 --> 0:19:17.639 are saying, well, TJ, did you see it right now? Okay, 0:19:18.119 --> 0:19:19.679 I get what you're trying to say, but I mean, 0:19:19.720 --> 0:19:24.280 she what's I don't know. I just embrace I see 0:19:24.280 --> 0:19:26.200 people walk red carpets. I see people walk down the 0:19:26.240 --> 0:19:27.919 streets of New York. I see people dressed all the 0:19:27.920 --> 0:19:29.960 time going wow, really. 0:19:29.720 --> 0:19:30.879 That's an interesting choice. 0:19:31.320 --> 0:19:31.520 I think. 0:19:31.960 --> 0:19:33.320 I was like, that's a choice, that's kind of the 0:19:33.359 --> 0:19:35.760 thing I usually say, Oh yeah. 0:19:36.440 --> 0:19:39.200 Even on red carpets, we have seen people go wow, 0:19:39.800 --> 0:19:42.960