Speaker 1: Hey, the folks in this episode bra and a blue
Speaker 1: brimmed hat. Two fashion statements still the show at Trump's inauguration.
Speaker 1: One was for its elegance in class, the other classless,
Speaker 1: at least according to some Welcome Everybody to Amy and TJ.
Speaker 1: I had a bra roapes. The hat in question was
Speaker 1: on the head of Milania Trump. The bra was worn
Speaker 1: by Lauren Sanchez, fiance of Amazon founder Jeff Bezos. And
Speaker 1: that's where we'll start. You saw her outfit. Did you
Speaker 1: have an initial reaction all that was going on, and
Speaker 1: then the first time we see Lauren Sanchez, did you
Speaker 1: have a reaction immediately to what she was wearing?
Speaker 2: If I'm being honest, the answer is yes, I did
Speaker 2: have an immediate reaction to what she was wearing.
Speaker 1: Okay, I was just a little shocked.
Speaker 2: Look. Look, I'm not one to pile on or judge.
Speaker 2: I think women should be able to express themselves in
Speaker 2: whatever way they'd like. And she you know, it was
Speaker 2: a beautiful suit and a beautiful bra, and it would
Speaker 2: have looked killer on a red carpet. I just was
Speaker 2: a little I was just taken aback because I wasn't
Speaker 2: expecting to see that look at a presidential inauguration. And
Speaker 2: I don't want to stand on my high horse and say, oh,
Speaker 2: I've never made a fashion mistake. That's just not true.
Speaker 2: But definitely I was. I immediately had a reaction, which
Speaker 2: I voiced, and then I believe you started looking online.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, but my reaction was, oh, I was supposed
Speaker 1: to react to that. I really was, And I asked
Speaker 1: you at the time. I just I didn't look at
Speaker 1: her and take it in. I guess the context of
Speaker 1: where she was. I didn't put it all together. I
Speaker 1: don't have that kind of fashion sense. I can look
Speaker 1: at what somebody's wearing and say you look good in that,
Speaker 1: or that doesn't look so good on you. I don't
Speaker 1: have the ability to say, well, you're wearing that, but
Speaker 1: you're wearing it here on a Tuesday and it's after
Speaker 1: four pm, so you know you're not see that kind
Speaker 1: of a thing. I know it's not that technical, but
Speaker 1: I'm saying I didn't have the I didn't immediately see
Speaker 1: her and go with the environment she was in think
Speaker 1: anything of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe, and maybe it's not fair, but women are
Speaker 2: held I think, to a very high standard where when
Speaker 2: it comes to what you wear to a wedding, what
Speaker 2: you wear to a funeral.
Speaker 1: We didn't talk about a single dude.
Speaker 2: Suit yesterday exactly, and honestly, we talked about Lauren, and
Speaker 2: we talked about Milania. But I can't remember what one
Speaker 2: dude was wearing, except for maybe hegseeth because his suit
Speaker 2: stood out as a little too flashy blue. So but
Speaker 2: short of that, you're right. I mean our focus was
Speaker 2: and usually is on what women are wearing, and we
Speaker 2: do we I do want to make sure that I
Speaker 2: say this. I think we all need to give one another,
Speaker 2: meaning women to women, especially all break and I think
Speaker 2: that Lauren looked smoking in it like she did look great?
Speaker 1: Okay? Can we can you help me? First of all?
Speaker 1: And what was it? Okay? That was underneath? I heard
Speaker 1: it referred to as a bra, a boostier. I think
Speaker 1: a lace corset. What can I describe it as? Underneath?
Speaker 2: At least so to me, it looked like a lacey, sexy, designer,
Speaker 2: expensive white bra. Okay, but you can call it whatever
Speaker 2: you want, a form fitting white lace boostier.
Speaker 1: Is that really the right technical term for what? That was?
Speaker 1: The pressure?
Speaker 2: A lace push up broad A lace looked super hot
Speaker 2: and I'm sure it costs a lot more, but just for.
Speaker 1: What it was, is the right thing to call it
Speaker 1: a bra a boostier. I see corset throwing around genuinelyra.
Speaker 2: Or a boostier and normally look, I would think that
Speaker 2: the suit was gorgeous and tailored and beautiful. And I think,
Speaker 2: you know, she had paired it with a tight blouse
Speaker 2: or like that. Would it just was a little extra.
Speaker 2: And I like, to me, I thought when she was
Speaker 2: turning and she you know, the camp, she was in
Speaker 2: a very prominent position, and it looked like it was
Speaker 2: absolutely raw because I saw her stomach, I saw her
Speaker 2: midrift a little bit when she was moving around.
Speaker 1: So it looked like to me, okay, and we should
Speaker 1: say what she was wearing was a white Alexander McQueen pantsuit,
Speaker 1: low cut blazer, and that bra underneath suit was amazing.
Speaker 1: It was a pantsuit. It was her take on a pantsuit,
Speaker 1: which I'm told is the appropriate thing for a woman
Speaker 1: to wear in such that environment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she no, she looked great. It was just to
Speaker 2: me it was just a little shocking. But you know what,
Speaker 2: she looked fantastic.
Speaker 1: So it is what it is, Okay. So now let's
Speaker 1: go back it, folks, if you haven't seen some of
Speaker 1: the reaction. She was. Again, as of this recording, she
Speaker 1: was trending higher than anything else related to the inauguration
Speaker 1: on the Google trends. At least people were searching her
Speaker 1: up more than they were searching most of the things
Speaker 1: that Trump said. She was the number two trending topic
Speaker 1: the twenty four hours after the inauguration. That's incredible.
Speaker 2: That's the story in and of its.
Speaker 1: Obviously everybody was talking about her, but some of the
Speaker 1: words being thrown around, and this is something I hate
Speaker 1: to do, not going to go through a lot and
Speaker 1: the sign I mean, because some prominent folks came out
Speaker 1: as well, but I'm quoting incredibly inappropriate. I'm quoting as well,
Speaker 1: show some class. Quoting again here that she forgot to
Speaker 1: put on a shirt. A lot of people said that,
Speaker 1: and a lot of people got a little nasty, and
Speaker 1: we're using words like prostitute and hooker.
Speaker 2: That's terrible, that's terrible. Yeah, I saw incredibly inappropriately dressed,
Speaker 2: not acceptable. But you know, at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: no one was harmed. There were no injuries as a
Speaker 2: result of Lauren Sanchez looking a little sexy at the inauguration.
Speaker 1: So there's nothing wrong with what she was wearing. The
Speaker 1: problem people have is where she was wearing it. Is
Speaker 1: that correct, I believe?
Speaker 2: So that is the case.
Speaker 1: Hey, for you as well. I mean seeing it on
Speaker 1: a red carpet, you said anything about it that's hot?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Does it matter then that this is completely one brand
Speaker 1: for Lauren Sanchez. If you haven't seen this woman in
Speaker 1: the past several years, she's a lace fan. To be
Speaker 1: honest with you, I love lace too.
Speaker 2: By the way, if you if you search up some
Speaker 2: red carpet photos of me, I had a green lace
Speaker 2: kind of boostier like dress on the red carpet. So again,
Speaker 2: I am living in my glasshouse. I like lace's.
Speaker 1: Oh no, again, I want to be clear you you
Speaker 1: you put a little hard on yourself there. I don't
Speaker 1: think you're throwing stones at Lauren Sanchez in the least bit.
Speaker 1: But she has her look. She is literally, like really
Speaker 1: a lace fan like you. You look at my stuff like, wow,
Speaker 1: TJ likes black and maybe look like leather. You look, yes,
Speaker 1: you look at her style leather, you will say, oh,
Speaker 1: she's lace. Her look from Milan was something else. She
Speaker 1: went to a what was the uh the Japanese Prime minister.
Speaker 1: It was a state dinner at the White House. She
Speaker 1: wore a rod Oh, she got a lacy number.
Speaker 2: She got a lot of hate for that as well.
Speaker 2: And you know what, look she she understands. I'm sure
Speaker 2: she sees and hears some of the reaction and clearly
Speaker 2: she doesn't mind it because she's doing her a thing.
Speaker 1: But is it possible she ain't even thinking about it?
Speaker 1: Is it possible this is her style? She is doing
Speaker 1: her thing, she's not looking at what anybody is saying
Speaker 1: about her, and she's going about her day because it's
Speaker 1: something she likes to wear.
Speaker 2: I hope that's what she's doing.
Speaker 1: Oh, it's that. It's that simple. And why aren't there something?
Speaker 1: I don't know if there artists right, certain singers they
Speaker 1: have I wear jeans and cowboy boots everywhere. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: always wear this hat no matter where they go. They
Speaker 1: still stick to their thing, their brand. Is this different now?
Speaker 2: I just think women are tough on other women when
Speaker 2: they dress sexy somewhere that is potentially considered more formal
Speaker 2: or more conservative.
Speaker 1: Do you think no doubt this is all coming? I
Speaker 1: say all, but I mean, relatively speaking, all coming from women.
Speaker 2: Yes, we're the harshest critics for one another, unfortunately. And look,
Speaker 2: I think it's it's interesting. I did a little bit
Speaker 2: of a deep dive on why we're so obsessed with
Speaker 2: what women wear, specifically to an inauguration. But it is
Speaker 2: kind of like the Oscars for Washington, and especially yesterday,
Speaker 2: because it was all indoors. You know, Normally she would
Speaker 2: have been bundled up.
Speaker 1: Maybe she wouldn't have been, but she knew what she
Speaker 1: did come in with a coat. It was cold. Yesterday,
Speaker 1: she came in with a coat, and then she took
Speaker 1: it off with a big reveal, a moment like the
Speaker 1: show was starting, and you know.
Speaker 2: What, she may have planned that and is loving it,
Speaker 2: you know, and that's good for her, you know. I
Speaker 2: just that was a choice. It was deliberate, it was intentional,
Speaker 2: and she looked great, you know. And and because the
Speaker 2: ceremony was indoors, I do think it gave women's fashion
Speaker 2: choices a bigger spie light, spotlight than would have been otherwise.
Speaker 2: Now we always do traditionally. Look, I mean I remember
Speaker 2: covering when Barack Obama and Michelle Obama came out. Jay
Speaker 2: cru sold out of the gloves that Michelle Obama was wearing.
Speaker 2: Sasha and Malia had Jay Crewe outfits on our coats.
Speaker 2: I remember when I was working for the Today Show,
Speaker 2: they sent me to Jay crew Uh to talk about,
Speaker 2: you know, the affordable fashion worn by the First Family
Speaker 2: that everybody now wanted. You think about even the royals,
Speaker 2: from Princess Diana Tock, Princess Kate to Megan Markle. Anytime
Speaker 2: they wear anything, it's scrutinized, it's disgust and usually those
Speaker 2: items are sold out. So women know when they walk
Speaker 2: into even if it's in a political forum or in
Speaker 2: a formal setting, what they wear sometimes, unfortunately becomes more
Speaker 2: important or a bigger deal than what is said, or
Speaker 2: what policy is being made, or what peaceful transition of
Speaker 2: power is happening.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, the difference in your scenario there is
Speaker 1: that she is not in the First Family. She was
Speaker 1: not a part of the First Family, She is not
Speaker 1: the First Lady. She is just a guess sitting next
Speaker 1: to a dude. Well, I mean, at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, just to do will we be talking about
Speaker 1: any other woman dressed like this? Is because of where
Speaker 1: she is in the prominence, of her prominence, of her seat.
Speaker 2: That did make a big, big difference. And she is
Speaker 2: someone now who is engaged to Jeff Bezos, of course,
Speaker 2: the head of Amazon. She is meeting heads of state.
Speaker 2: You know, suddenly now we're seeing, at least in this administration,
Speaker 2: that tech titans and billionaires and people who might not
Speaker 2: normally be in a position of confidence or power within
Speaker 2: our own political structure are now kind of a part
Speaker 2: of the direction our country is heading in. So her influence,
Speaker 2: her prominence next to Bezos, who's next to Trump, all
Speaker 2: somehow becomes more important.
Speaker 1: Now, wait a minute, you're equating her outfit to what
Speaker 1: I'm just sting because she's dressed this, because she's around
Speaker 1: certain people, she now needs to change how she's.
Speaker 2: No, I'm not saying she needs to change. What I'm
Speaker 2: saying is people care more now because what she's wearing. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 2: it matters more because it's in a brighter spotlight.
Speaker 1: Does it matter or is this just the spotlight doesn't matter?
Speaker 1: Doesn't Okay?
Speaker 2: Actually, but look think about it. We have an entire
Speaker 2: and it was it's one of my favorite displays. I'm
Speaker 2: not a big museum person, but if you go to
Speaker 2: the National Museum of American History. The First Lady's Collection
Speaker 2: is one of the most popular exhibit because everyone wants
Speaker 2: to see what the First Ladies wore to their inaugural balls.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's a part of who we are, right.
Speaker 1: I'll keep hooting and hollering, this is she's just a guest.
Speaker 1: I understand about the First Ladies. She's a guest. And again,
Speaker 1: this will be a cycle, it'll be quick, it'll happen.
Speaker 1: But still, I why is it that we I say why?
Speaker 1: Everybody knows the answer, and it's kind of a will,
Speaker 1: of course, But how do we get beyond the just?
Speaker 1: Of course we're going to talk about women's and women's
Speaker 1: fashion and what they're wearing marlv and of course that's
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen. And you, if you're honest with yourself,
Speaker 1: was you were watching yesterday you saw, oh, look what
Speaker 1: she's wearing. Ooh she decided to wear that. Oh she
Speaker 1: looks nice today? Of random women you just sawlun te
Speaker 1: hundred percent.
Speaker 2: I'm guilty of it. I do it when I watched
Speaker 2: the Red Carpet previews. And I think most women, if
Speaker 2: they're honest, and some men too, we all do it.
Speaker 2: It's look a red.
Speaker 1: Carpet preview is different from yesterday.
Speaker 2: It kind of felt a little bit like that. I
Speaker 2: even saw we were watching, you know, even like Barack
Speaker 2: Obama walk down what kind of seemed like a red
Speaker 2: carpets strutting down, like we were even discussing how people
Speaker 2: were walking with or without confidence. These aren't people who
Speaker 2: aren't necessarily trained to step and repeat and pose and
Speaker 2: you know, behead turners. So it's just interesting to watch
Speaker 2: the whole procession and pomp and circumstance take place as
Speaker 2: much as we have that in this kind.
Speaker 1: Of and poor Marcus Zuckerberg, poor fellow, I mean, this
Speaker 1: is going around and around in just as much a
Speaker 1: part of the story as anything, and probably highlighted what
Speaker 1: she was wearing more than anything because he was sitting
Speaker 1: right next to her during the event. And at some
Speaker 1: point you'll see the still image everywhere and the headline
Speaker 1: will say Marcus Zuckerberg caught what looking sneaking a peek, yes,
Speaker 1: or even staring. Some are saying at her cleavage. And
Speaker 1: if you see the image, the still image, it does
Speaker 1: look like his eyes are trained down right next to
Speaker 1: him where.
Speaker 2: She says, isn't it hard for men? I'm just curious.
Speaker 2: You're a man, You're sitting next to a woman wearing that,
Speaker 2: what do you do?
Speaker 1: Eyes front, eyes front you. It's a you have to
Speaker 1: do it. You have to train yourself to do it.
Speaker 1: And I am around and in my career been round
Speaker 1: enough and enough pictures have been taken that you do
Speaker 1: not ever want to be in that position. And it's
Speaker 1: and now I was going to ask you that question.
Speaker 1: Back to Zuckerberg. If you look at the video, he's
Speaker 1: obviously not staring. He took a glance that. It was
Speaker 1: a split second and I'm not even sure if he
Speaker 1: was looking down at her chest or not if he
Speaker 1: was okay, but I'm saying it was a quick glance.
Speaker 1: So if you see a steel frame of him just
Speaker 1: staring it, it's.
Speaker 2: An unfair characterization of what he was doing.
Speaker 1: But yes, it does look like he glanced that glances down.
Speaker 1: My question to you, to every woman and every guy
Speaker 1: is listening, what is proper behavior when someone is dressed
Speaker 1: in such a way revealing, sexy, beautiful, whatever you want
Speaker 1: to call it, but expose or at least showcasing some
Speaker 1: asset of theirs. In such a way, whether that's legs,
Speaker 1: whether that's butt, whether that's chest. Is it ever appropriate
Speaker 1: to look, not gawk, not stare, not sexualize. Is it
Speaker 1: ever okay if you see a guy looking at you
Speaker 1: in that asset where it's not offensive.
Speaker 2: Oh, this is such a tricky question. So I am
Speaker 2: of the belief not everyone is gonna agree with me.
Speaker 2: A lingering glance, a gross lecherous glance. No, never, okay,
Speaker 2: that means like lasting more than a second. Like that
Speaker 2: to me feels like you're being ogled. Now, I'm not look.
Speaker 2: I don't know how people would characterize how I dress.
Speaker 2: But if I know that, I'm clearly showing off some cleavage,
Speaker 2: which I don't really I don't think that's really my mL.
Speaker 2: But if I chose to do that, that's great. If
Speaker 2: I chose to, If I, you know what, a short
Speaker 2: skirt showing a lot of leg I have absolutely done that.
Speaker 2: If some one glances, I would take it as a compliment.
Speaker 2: And clearly I'm I'm dressed in a way where I
Speaker 2: am showcasing or I am highlighting something that I think
Speaker 2: is an asset of mind. I think most women dress
Speaker 2: with that in mind. When they think about what they're
Speaker 2: gonna wear, especially to a public event where they know
Speaker 2: they're going to be photographed or they know they're going
Speaker 2: to be cameras. I think you do try at least
Speaker 2: I try to say what would I like to highlight?
Speaker 2: Would I like to hide? And so if someone glance
Speaker 2: is it's something that I want to highlight, I take
Speaker 2: it as a compliment. Now there is a facial expression
Speaker 2: or a lingering glance that can suggest something that feels not.
Speaker 1: There's so much nuance here.
Speaker 2: There is nuance.
Speaker 1: So the timing up. You tell me a second, so
Speaker 1: you are speaking on behalf of all women when you
Speaker 1: say fellas, you can look for one second and one
Speaker 1: second only.
Speaker 2: You can look for a yeah, for like a short
Speaker 2: like a glance, a glance. And I am somebody who
Speaker 2: said I don't mind if someone says you look nice tonight,
Speaker 2: but if you're like, damn, look at those legs or wow,
Speaker 2: look at that rack, that's a problem.
Speaker 1: Nobody's gonna say that.
Speaker 3: That's not what we're talking about, clearly, But this is
Speaker 3: this is such a thing where a woman wants to
Speaker 3: show off, yes, a particular asset, and then it's viewed
Speaker 3: as well.
Speaker 1: You better not look at that asset. Look.
Speaker 2: I know that I am not speaking for everyone here.
Speaker 2: I don't if I'm gonna show something off. I don't
Speaker 2: mind if people look.
Speaker 1: But where'd you think of zuckerberber Dickie.
Speaker 2: I think it was innocent. I think he loves his wife,
Speaker 2: and I think I might have even taken a glance.
Speaker 2: I think I might have even taken a glance too,
Speaker 2: if I were sitting next to Lauren Sanchez, like damn,
Speaker 2: in a complimentary way, not in a judgment.
Speaker 1: Way, like I wouldn't have it. The whole ceremony. We've
Speaker 1: been talking about what's wrong with TJ's neck. He won't
Speaker 1: turn it to the left or right, he's just looking
Speaker 1: straight ahead.
Speaker 2: Do you think that it's appropriate for man to even
Speaker 2: glance at a woman who is dressed a certain way?
Speaker 1: I would recommend to every fella on planet Earth don't
Speaker 1: do it. Don't just don't do it. It's not worth it.
Speaker 1: It's just not. I mean, you see, we all see
Speaker 1: beautiful things all day long, and you take a look
Speaker 1: at that beautiful thing. You don't have to sexualize, you
Speaker 1: don't desire, you're not going after it. It's just not
Speaker 1: I've seen guys in nice suits and I'll check him out, like, wow,
Speaker 1: that's the cook at the cut on that suit man.
Speaker 1: They got rid of that neck roll and everything. Yes,
Speaker 1: I've done that.
Speaker 2: It's admiring someone and admiring the beauty of something or someone,
Speaker 2: and it's meant in a positive way, not in a
Speaker 2: sexual way. And I think you kind of just nailed
Speaker 2: it in a way that maybe I was struggling with
Speaker 2: how to how to characterize it. But you can tell
Speaker 2: immediately the way someone's looking at you As a woman,
Speaker 2: I can tell if someone is looking at me in
Speaker 2: a complimentary way or in a very sexualized way, and
Speaker 2: you just know it. It's like your eyes or your
Speaker 2: facial expression. There's something about it that either feels complimentary
Speaker 2: or like repulsive.
Speaker 1: Well, no guy is going to I think should should
Speaker 1: bank on a woman be able, being able to look.
Speaker 1: She's gonna know this look is just a friendly look.
Speaker 1: It'll be No, fellas, do not leave that for a second.
Speaker 2: I'm leading I'm leading men down a dangerous pith. Sorry,
Speaker 2: don't look.
Speaker 1: Don't listen to this one. But no, it's just one
Speaker 1: of it. Bade me think about it all the time,
Speaker 1: and I and I get it. It is I would
Speaker 1: always err on the side of do not do it.
Speaker 2: That is smart, That is smart.
Speaker 1: And I have and I think I've talked to you
Speaker 1: about this when it's there, you know what, having a
Speaker 1: conversation with someone who has on something that Lauren had
Speaker 1: on right exposed right since she waits cleavage, Having a
Speaker 1: conversation with those folks that those women think I'm looking
Speaker 1: through to their souls because my eye I widen my
Speaker 1: eyes and I stare into their eyes the whole time
Speaker 1: to make sure she understands I am only looking at
Speaker 1: your eyes, dear lady, only looking at your eyes. But no,
Speaker 1: that was was fascinating yesterday. Will continue to be talked about.
Speaker 1: It just I what's appropriate dress? What's not appropriate dress?
Speaker 1: Who gets to say what's appropriate? And I guess how
Speaker 1: much freedom does she get to be herself and express
Speaker 1: herself in all venues. She didn't walk in there with something.
Speaker 1: I mean, she don't walk in there naked. Some people
Speaker 1: are saying, well, TJ, did you see it right now? Okay,
Speaker 1: I get what you're trying to say, but I mean,
Speaker 1: she what's I don't know. I just embrace I see
Speaker 1: people walk red carpets. I see people walk down the
Speaker 1: streets of New York. I see people dressed all the
Speaker 1: time going wow, really.
Speaker 2: That's an interesting choice.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 2: I was like, that's a choice, that's kind of the
Speaker 2: thing I usually say, Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: Even on red carpets, we have seen people go wow,
Speaker 1: that was on that that's inappropriate, that's you need to
Speaker 1: cover up a little bit. Yes, daring. Well, she's just
Speaker 1: a little bit daring in an otherwise place that's usually boring.
Speaker 1: And what do you say about John Fetterman? Senator Fetterman
Speaker 1: of Pennsylvania showed up at the inauguration in shorts and
Speaker 1: a car heart hoodie okay or was it caterpillar? Excuse me,
Speaker 1: one of the two. He was in a hoodie and shorts,
Speaker 1: so that's in line with him. He walks the halls
Speaker 1: of the Senate in that all the time. Is anybody
Speaker 1: want to argue that, hey, that's inappropriate for the halls
Speaker 1: of Congress, that's inappropriate for an inauguration. Do we want
Speaker 1: to go after him?
Speaker 2: And I think you make a really good pointe Yeah,
Speaker 2: because women aren't threatened by that. And I'm not saying
Speaker 2: anyone was threatened by Lauren but I do think somehow
Speaker 2: it might strike a chord deep down within a woman, saying,
Speaker 2: you know, she is doing something she shouldn't do because
Speaker 2: we don't like it, because it makes us feel a
Speaker 2: certain way about ourselves. I would never do that. Maybe
Speaker 2: I could never pull that look off, and so I'm
Speaker 2: annoyed that someone else can so well. I mean, there
Speaker 2: are a lot of things I think as women, we
Speaker 2: can ask ourselves why we felt something potentially negative about
Speaker 2: Lauren Sanchez when she looked gorgeous. So you know, you
Speaker 2: can have your own opinion, but maybe it's just this
Speaker 2: is a moment to examine why we have those opinions.
Speaker 2: And usually when we think something about someone else, it
Speaker 2: usually refers back to some issue with our own insecurity,
Speaker 2: or our own feelings about our own bodies, or what
Speaker 2: we choose to wear. And I just think if we
Speaker 2: can all give each other a little bit of a break.
Speaker 2: I mean, I was being honest and saying I was
Speaker 2: definitely shocked by what she chose, but I really have
Speaker 2: tried to examine why she Again, she didn't hurt anyone
Speaker 2: by her choices, and she felt good about what she
Speaker 2: walked into that room with and who's to say what
Speaker 2: she should or shouldn't have done.
Speaker 1: I will give I know you saw a lot of
Speaker 1: headlines as well, several of you listening to us probably
Speaker 1: saw a lot of headlines. This, I thought, Vogue least,
Speaker 1: I'll give them credit for this headline. I thought they
Speaker 1: struck the best balance that could be struck. Lauren Sanchez
Speaker 1: Forgo's inaugurations style codes in a daring white pantsuit and
Speaker 1: lace bra.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what that is saying what happened without
Speaker 2: any judgment. Yes, and I appreciate that. And if we
Speaker 2: can do more of that more often, all of us,
Speaker 2: I think, will all be the better for it. Let
Speaker 2: people be who they are and express themselves how they
Speaker 2: want to express themselves, as long as they're not harming
Speaker 2: anyone else in the process.
Speaker 1: So it's funny, Sanchez, I didn't react at all. Right,
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there with you and I go, oh, it's
Speaker 1: a big deal. But the one fashion I thing I
Speaker 1: did react to yesterday to the point that I screamed
Speaker 1: at you into the other room, say hey, come check
Speaker 1: out Milania. You did because she stepped out of that
Speaker 1: suv and I said, whoa she was? Put together?
Speaker 2: Had to tell you know, it's funny. One of the
Speaker 2: headlines that I saw was Malania Trump's patriotic statement, Lauren
Speaker 2: Sanchez's faux pas, and Avanka's jack moment. So everyone wanted
Speaker 2: to draw a comparison. But Milania we were trying to
Speaker 2: figure out because she looked felt sleek, ready for business,
Speaker 2: yet so fashionable. And the hat just you were gaga
Speaker 2: over the hat.
Speaker 1: I was going great, the double breasted jacket, coach she
Speaker 1: was wearing, the way it fit, and then complimented with
Speaker 1: the perfect matching hat. I thought it was it was
Speaker 1: just stunning.
Speaker 2: If she was stunning, agreed and if we can all
Speaker 2: you know, I love the idea of looking at these
Speaker 2: choices as an expression of yourself of the day and
Speaker 2: take it for what it is. But I saw, I read,
Speaker 2: and I'm going to read it for you because I
Speaker 2: love this. One of the folks who's paid to talk
Speaker 2: about fashion said this about Malania's outfit. Milania looks armed
Speaker 2: for a historical long day in a Navy look, ready
Speaker 2: for battle. Her military inspired look allows her to blend
Speaker 2: into the background, but the distinctive boater hat sets her apart.
Speaker 2: A wool boater rather than the traditional straw is unexpected
Speaker 2: and screams fashion elegant yet effortlessly care free. And I
Speaker 2: just thought that was cool because if we can look
Speaker 2: at it more of just kind of art in a way,
Speaker 2: you know, you're expressing what you want to put out
Speaker 2: in the world by how you're dressed from head to toe.
Speaker 2: And she really put out a statement and one you
Speaker 2: were liking.
Speaker 1: Say the designer's name, Adam, I'm so sorry l i
Speaker 1: pp E Slippe.
Speaker 2: Is I think he's a New York designer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just messing up his name right now. But
Speaker 1: she was wearing a navy wool double breasted coat, navy skirt,
Speaker 1: cream blouse. The hat, though, is what got so much
Speaker 1: attention by American designer Eric Javits. Now, she's worn hats
Speaker 1: from him in the past, so that he made this
Speaker 1: one by hand looks great.
Speaker 2: But but I know what the butt is.
Speaker 1: I the thing that jumped out after I was got
Speaker 1: got Google over how she looked. I was then scratching
Speaker 1: my hand hand ahead about why she wore something that
Speaker 1: seemed the hat at least her face was covered most
Speaker 1: of the day.
Speaker 2: Her eyes were definitely couldn't see her I.
Speaker 1: Mean you couldn't see her on a day that you
Speaker 1: know the whole world is going to be watching her.
Speaker 1: It's I don't know if it was it was a
Speaker 1: choice to wear the hat. Was it a choice to
Speaker 1: cover the eyes? It was a choice to wear that
Speaker 1: hat that way? I don't know, but it's everything looked great,
Speaker 1: but you could not see her eyes for most of
Speaker 1: the day.
Speaker 2: But think about it. You love to wear sunglasses. Why
Speaker 2: do you love to wear sunglasses other than protecting your
Speaker 2: eyes from the sun.
Speaker 1: You just brought her home for me. I know why
Speaker 1: Malania didn't know, because oftentimes I wear sunglasses. Not because
Speaker 1: I'm trying to keep the sun out of my eyes,
Speaker 1: but I don't want you to see where my eyes
Speaker 1: are going.
Speaker 2: There you go, I don't want.
Speaker 1: You to see what I'm looking at that I'm checking
Speaker 1: you out over there trying to check me out. I'm not.
Speaker 1: I absolutely and I only learned this strict the past
Speaker 1: couple of years. You look at celebrities all the time, Wow,
Speaker 1: they wear sunglasses inside Why Yeah, they're flashing bulbs and there.
Speaker 1: Don't want you to see what they're looking at. Mark
Speaker 1: Zuckerberg could use a pair of sung I was gonna bring.
Speaker 2: The full circle with that exact same thought because she
Speaker 2: covered her eyes. But maybe that's just brilliance combined with
Speaker 2: excellent fashion taste, because she can look at and react
Speaker 2: to what she wants without people knowing where she's looking
Speaker 2: and what she's thinking. And you know, the eyes of
Speaker 2: the soul are the window to the soul, right, so
Speaker 2: when you see someone taking a glance, they shouldn't rolling
Speaker 2: their eyes perhaps when they shouldn't reacting. In a lot
Speaker 2: of ways, we do it with our eyes. So if
Speaker 2: your eyes are covered, you feel free to feel what
Speaker 2: you're feeling. And maybe that's exactly what she wanted to
Speaker 2: be able to do today while she or yesterday while
Speaker 2: she was on full display.
Speaker 1: Don't want to suggest at all that that's the case
Speaker 1: of making accusation. Oh that's what it was. But it
Speaker 1: stood out that you couldn't see her eyes. It stood
Speaker 1: out to me on that day, and you know, now
Speaker 1: to think about it, I would have been in there
Speaker 1: with sunglasses on. That was too much to look at.
Speaker 1: I would have been all over the place checking everybody
Speaker 1: out in that room. It was incredible.
Speaker 2: I mean we were doing that from our couch without
Speaker 2: anyone looking at us looking at them.
Speaker 1: It was incredible, but the hat was amazing. Congrats to
Speaker 1: this to the American diaer Eric Jabbetts. I believe he's
Speaker 1: from New York originally, but he's now based in Florida.
Speaker 1: He said he made this by hand, and it's one
Speaker 1: thing when the hat's in your hand and you're making it,
Speaker 1: he said, But then he saw it on TV and
Speaker 1: saw it on her head and it came to life,
Speaker 1: and she gave it a whole new life and energy
Speaker 1: and elegance and power, I think is the word he
Speaker 1: used once she put it on. But she was on
Speaker 1: point yesterday.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, you know, people made comments about Ivanka
Speaker 2: had a gorgeous green It also looked military esque forest
Speaker 2: green skirt suit with a thin black belt and a
Speaker 2: matching green hat. She also pulled the hat off. The
Speaker 2: hat look off as well, and some people referred to
Speaker 2: her as a Jackie Oh moment. Other people were saying
Speaker 2: she looked like the wives from Handmaid's Tail. So it's like,
Speaker 2: no matter what you wear, some people are gonna like it,
Speaker 2: some people aren't, but certainly you are making a statement
Speaker 2: with what you choose. And I thought she looked fantastic.
Speaker 2: You pointed out Ivanka's daughter who had that cape coat on.
Speaker 2: It was like like a beige almost like a rose
Speaker 2: beige coat, and you were like, she looks fantastic.
Speaker 1: Is there a single dude we can comment on what
Speaker 1: he was wearing yesterday? Is there Pete.
Speaker 2: Pete Hegsath He had on that his one suit, blue
Speaker 2: suit that he also wore. It seemed as if it
Speaker 2: were the same one that he wore the confirmation hearing
Speaker 2: in the Senate Armed Service.
Speaker 1: But because of the color of his suit. But any who,
Speaker 1: what guy's outfit? You want to break down? Whose outfit
Speaker 1: did you see? Again? I mentioned the feederman here just
Speaker 1: because he wore shorts and a hoodie.
Speaker 2: Everyone else had a blue tie or a red tie
Speaker 2: or a green tie.
Speaker 1: The former presidents. Were they wearing anything that stood out?
Speaker 1: Any senator? Can you remember anybody wearing anything yesterday?
Speaker 2: I only remember not a guy, the opera singer had
Speaker 2: a velvet jacket on that I thought would have looked
Speaker 2: really nice on you without a tie. But everyone else
Speaker 2: kind of looked.
Speaker 1: And the reason you remember him is because, wow, he's
Speaker 1: not wearing a tie. And you said, you know, he
Speaker 1: needs to make sure his Voca gords are loose and
Speaker 1: didn't want to time. Okay, we understand what the velvet jack?
Speaker 1: Who nobody. I don't remember anybody all day that I
Speaker 1: would look at a guy say hmmm, can't think of one.
Speaker 2: But it's and it's interesting because.
Speaker 1: Our producers over here googling.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm trying to think, does anybody remember anything? Any man?
Speaker 1: You usually yes. But I'm just making the point that
Speaker 1: this is how it goes sometimes. If this was a
Speaker 1: red carbon event, Hollywood guys do dress better than us senators.
Speaker 2: What they call Washington d C Hollywood for ugly people.
Speaker 2: They've said that for a very long time. I did
Speaker 2: not say that. That is a phrase. I used to
Speaker 2: live in DC and people used to say that all
Speaker 2: the time. You know, do you see this Hollywood for
Speaker 2: ugly people? Thanks, ma'am. I would say for rich, smart
Speaker 2: and powerful people. You don't have to throw in the
Speaker 2: barb there because it's not necessarily true. But not quite
Speaker 2: like Hollywood.
Speaker 1: But again, I was only making the point, we just
Speaker 1: don't remember or what any guy wears. But look, it's
Speaker 1: a great here we go. But this is a part
Speaker 1: of it, and a part of it I understand a
Speaker 1: part of it is still disappointing that so much emphasis
Speaker 1: is put on what a woman is wearing, but then
Speaker 1: the next step of that seems to be she's attacked
Speaker 1: for what she was wearing in very vicious, vicious ways.
Speaker 2: Attacked and judged. Like I think that's where I think
Speaker 2: it's really tough to actually somehow equate a woman's character,
Speaker 2: a woman's worth based on what she's dressed in. And look,
Speaker 2: women get it, and especially anyone who has been in
Speaker 2: the public eye. Lauren Sanchez worked. She's been in media
Speaker 2: for her entire professional career. She has been in front
Speaker 2: of cameras her entire professional life, so she knew exactly
Speaker 2: what she was doing when she chose the outfit she
Speaker 2: was choosing, and that's like, that's good. She We know
Speaker 2: what's going to be probably possibly said when we choose
Speaker 2: an outfit and walk out in front of the cameras,
Speaker 2: and it's just and I just think we should all
Speaker 2: give each other a little grace to say, hey, you
Speaker 2: looked fantastic.
Speaker 1: But even if you don't want to go that far,
Speaker 1: it's a difference between saying I wouldn't wear that, versus
Speaker 1: you slut, you know.
Speaker 2: What I'm saying.
Speaker 1: People may saying something that I mean, you can give.
Speaker 1: People have opinions, and if you're in the spotlight, you
Speaker 1: expected to a certain degree, but that's just so mean. Well,
Speaker 1: I can't stay over what she's wearing.
Speaker 2: I can't stand the slutshaming, I think. And the truth
Speaker 2: is women are most responsible for doing it to one another.
Speaker 2: It's it's it's very really a man saying this about
Speaker 2: a woman. It is women saying it about other women.
Speaker 2: And so I think we can all maybe just you know,
Speaker 2: I would just love for us to be able to
Speaker 2: support one another. And if you, you know, go back
Speaker 2: to what your mom told you, if you don't have
Speaker 2: something nice to say, don't say anything at all. And
Speaker 2: I think it's okay to say it was a little shocking.
Speaker 2: I think it's okay to say, wow, I've never seen
Speaker 2: that before. Is that appropriate to wear to the Capitol
Speaker 2: rotunda for a presidential inauguration? I haven't seen that before,
Speaker 2: but wow, I mean she wears it well, and those
Speaker 2: kind of were my my headspace was, well.
Speaker 1: She fits right in in DC right now because there's
Speaker 1: a lot going on there we ain't ever seen before,
Speaker 1: and it will be for the next four years. So folks, yes,
Speaker 1: with that, you know, does Sydney have a microphone in
Speaker 1: front of her? Over there by?
Speaker 2: Actually, it's funny. We have Sydney in here, one of
Speaker 2: our amazing producers, and I was going to ask her
Speaker 2: a question, but I too didn't know if she had
Speaker 2: a microphone.
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask this earlier. Yeah, I wanted to
Speaker 1: ask earlier. You would be another opinion woman in the
Speaker 1: room about Lauren Sanchez and what your no. I had no.
Speaker 1: Actually the question I want to ask you might have
Speaker 1: a different one. What are guys? What would you be
Speaker 1: your recommendation for what guys should do when a woman
Speaker 1: you wearing something revealing or you're accentuating a particular asset
Speaker 1: of yours, but if the guy their looks, it's usually
Speaker 1: deemed inappropriate. Where do you come down on that?
Speaker 4: I honestly agreed with Amy. I agreed with what you
Speaker 4: had to say, Like, there is a difference between you know,
Speaker 4: making a comment or like, but if I'm wearing something
Speaker 4: that I I know is a little bit revealing, like
Speaker 4: a skirt or a top, I know what's gonna come
Speaker 4: from that, And I am like that that's it's on purpose,
Speaker 4: like I.
Speaker 1: But on purpose. You didn't go that far on purpose?
Speaker 1: Oh you? But you do?
Speaker 2: You know you're going to get attention.
Speaker 1: But do you want okay, do you want it? Yes? Yes,
Speaker 1: if I'm.
Speaker 2: Wearing that, I want attention. But I just think time
Speaker 2: and place for miss Sanchez that was and she knows
Speaker 2: the time and she knows the place, and she made
Speaker 2: a decision exactly.
Speaker 1: So I'm naive to think that she just decided, you
Speaker 1: know what, I'll wear this today and didn't think you're
Speaker 1: laughing at me. You think I'm naive to think you're cute? Okay?
Speaker 4: And the planning that goes into an outfit for an
Speaker 4: event that big, she knew.
Speaker 2: And she knew all eyes were going to be honest.
Speaker 2: We saw her looking around for the cameras. You and
Speaker 2: I both noticed that, like you know what, or.
Speaker 1: She might have been just looking to see where her
Speaker 1: friends were that were coming behind her. That could have
Speaker 1: been all kinds of things. You and I both know
Speaker 1: better than to assume what's going on, even from what
Speaker 1: is right in front of our eyes.
Speaker 2: I agree with you. My point was she knew people
Speaker 2: were looking. It's intentional, right, Well, and I'm not upset
Speaker 2: about it. I mean, we all do it. If we
Speaker 2: all want to be honest about it, we all do it.
Speaker 2: And if you make a choice with an outfit, you
Speaker 2: might be like, what are people saying? What are they doing?
Speaker 2: What are they thinking? And that's a natural human response,
Speaker 2: I think, But yes, it's a.
Speaker 1: Choice right well, folks, we appreciate you, But there's the
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Speaker 1: For our super producers Andy and Sydney who are in
Speaker 1: the room.
Speaker 2: I'm DJ and I'm Amy Robot. Have a great day everyone,