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Speaker 2: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to

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Speaker 4: And then and tie National Signing Day, Dan Rubinstein, it

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Speaker 1: It is a little different. It is a little different.

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Speaker 4: Since all this portal stuff and nil stuff started going haywire.

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Speaker 4: I gotta admit it's it's lost a little bit of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean part of it too is you

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Speaker 3: can take earlier and earlier summer official visits. Right, So

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Speaker 3: it's players getting to campus early and earlier and becoming

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Speaker 4: We're gonna bring our friend Brandon Hoffman from twenty four

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Speaker 4: to seven Sports back on the show here momentarily to

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Speaker 4: talk through the big storylines of this year signing day,

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Speaker 4: how the transfer portal has reshapen the way some coaches

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Speaker 4: a whole bunch of stuff that only Brandon knows and

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Speaker 4: only Brandon can offer to the verballer hood.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Now, I like that he has this under lock and

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Speaker 1: Like, only Brandon has this very specific, misterious.

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Speaker 4: That's the way we treat him on this show. He

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Speaker 4: Brandon Hoffan will be with us momentarily. We're also going

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Speaker 4: to do some doodlelorts. We're actually gonna ask Brandon for

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Speaker 4: some doodle arts, yeah, when I'm around, because you know,

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Speaker 3: It's like an early warning system, right, whenever there's like,

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Speaker 3: a volcano, shout out to our friends in Iceland. Hope

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Speaker 3: everybody's all right. I assume you saw that I did crazy.

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Speaker 3: You're very geologically aware. If anybody says otherwise, I will

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Speaker 3: No, So Brandon is taking advantage in our very specific

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Speaker 4: That's right, That's right.

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Speaker 4: Winter Wonders as that game progresses. We had over eighteen

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Speaker 1: Shall we bring in Brandon? Can't wait?

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Speaker 4: All right, Dan, Let's bring in our good friend, Brandon Huffman,

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Speaker 4: the national recruiting editor for twenty four to sevensports dot Com.

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Speaker 4: Here's the kind of guy Brandon Hoffman is. This is

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Speaker 2: I'm good, guys, Thanks for having me back on. I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, my job is the cover recruiting, and

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Speaker 3: It's grad school, right, you're an underclassman, and then you

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Speaker 3: Has done program wise, coach wise, whoever, who has done

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Speaker 2: focusing on the in state kids. Yeah, they all want

433
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Speaker 2: Jeremiah Smith, they all want to flip him, but Florida's

434
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Speaker 2: biggest recruit right now is DJ Lagway from the state

435
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Speaker 2: of Texas. Miami has recruited nationally since Mario got there.

436
00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:05,239
Speaker 2: I mean they were recruiting nationally begin with, but they

437
00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:09,320
Speaker 2: really focused nationally since Mario got there. Florida State obviously,

438
00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:11,840
Speaker 2: you know, Mike Norvel has some West Coast ties. This

439
00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:13,560
Speaker 2: is the fourth fifth class in a row. I think

440
00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:15,680
Speaker 2: that he's been there that they've got a West Coast

441
00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:18,879
Speaker 2: kid in their class. It's not the headliner of their class.

442
00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,520
Speaker 2: But he goes into Georgia, gets kJ Bolden, who is

443
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Speaker 2: the top defensive player in the state of Georgia, and

444
00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:26,080
Speaker 2: goes toe to toe with Kirby. I mean, remember two

445
00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:29,159
Speaker 2: years ago, before Travis Punter committed to Jackson State or

446
00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,080
Speaker 2: foot to Jackson State, he was a Florida State commit

447
00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:35,360
Speaker 2: from the state of Georgia that Georgia wanted. So we're

448
00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:37,200
Speaker 2: used to a time. I mean, if you've been following

449
00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:39,960
Speaker 2: college football for years, like the three of us have.

450
00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,720
Speaker 2: We're used to the three Florida schools recruiting the state

451
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Speaker 2: of Florida, and that was it. There might be a

452
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Speaker 2: rare unicorn like a dj Williams or a Dan Kendra

453
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Speaker 2: or a Joe Mauer that they might go nationally. Renzo Booker,

454
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Speaker 2: Hey stand up eto five. There would be the occasional

455
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Speaker 2: West Coast kid, but they wanted to have ninety percent

456
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Speaker 2: of their class from the Sunshine State. Now it's like, oh, well,

457
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,080
Speaker 2: these Florida kids want to leave, they want to go

458
00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:04,760
Speaker 2: to Georgia, they want to go to Bama. We'll go

459
00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:08,040
Speaker 2: recruit the national teams too. And because those three schools

460
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Speaker 2: have the chops to do it. I mean, who would

461
00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:13,959
Speaker 2: have thought Daniel and I texted about it back when

462
00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:17,800
Speaker 2: Jayden and Shadow that Miami and Florida in Florida would

463
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Speaker 2: be having a bitter recruiting battle over a quarterback from Oakland, California.

464
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Speaker 2: What a world we're in. But that's where we're at

465
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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty three. Those three schools are now recruiting

466
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Speaker 2: nationally when they never really had to before because there

467
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Speaker 2: was so much talent. But that's how global, so to speak,

468
00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:35,440
Speaker 2: college football recruiting has become.

469
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Speaker 1: Let's talk about Dylan Roola.

470
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Speaker 4: I put the call out on social media again for questions.

471
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Speaker 4: Shout out to Ryan, Shout out to Jared, Shout out

472
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Speaker 4: to everybody who sent in questions about Dylan Roola. Dylan

473
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Speaker 4: Roola flips his commitment to Nebraska. It's a big deal.

474
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Speaker 4: He's a top recruit in this class. He also announced

475
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Speaker 4: his commitment via a poem, which I did run through

476
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Speaker 4: a checker. It was not generated by AI, so good

477
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:03,440
Speaker 4: on him penning that or his people penning it. Whoever

478
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:07,159
Speaker 4: did it creative if not a little bit puzzling, But

479
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Speaker 4: the move to Nebraska is certainly notable for Matt Ruhle.

480
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Speaker 4: We got a lot of questions about where this stands

481
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Speaker 4: with respect to other notable flips that we have seen

482
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Speaker 4: over the last five years. I would also add that

483
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Speaker 4: I went through the advanced scouting that you've got out

484
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 4: on twenty four to seven Brandon, and I noticed that

485
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,000
Speaker 4: there was a line in there about maybe needing a

486
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Speaker 4: year or two of seasoning before he's ready to step in.

487
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Speaker 4: My hunch is that he's going to step in right away.

488
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Speaker 4: So is he plug and play ready? Where does this

489
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Speaker 4: flip rank relative to others that we have seen recently,

490
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Speaker 4: And to what end does this impact a school like

491
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Speaker 4: a Georgia others that maybe were in the running to

492
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Speaker 4: get Dilan rail with services.

493
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Speaker 2: So I'm going to answer that in about three different ways. One, Dylan,

494
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Speaker 2: you're no Shell Silverstein. I'm going to age myself a

495
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Speaker 2: little bit.

496
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Speaker 1: That's good.

497
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Speaker 2: The Yeah, I light the attic, you know, the where

498
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Speaker 2: the stud sidewalk in. Yes, you know, I'm aging myself.

499
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Speaker 2: But it was a it was a poem. I don't

500
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Speaker 2: even know how else to describe it. Very unique. Remember,

501
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 2: he was also committed Ohiose State at one point. He

502
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 2: was committed Ohouse State very early in the process, and

503
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,119
Speaker 2: they ended up flipping Lincoln Keyholts at that point. I

504
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 2: think you know, brock Lynn was committed for the twenty

505
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 2: three class. Then he parts ways ends up with Georgia,

506
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Speaker 2: even though Georgia already had Ryan Plaglici committed well before

507
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Speaker 2: Rayo they did. Matt Ruhle was it two weeks ago?

508
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 2: Started coming out with hard numbers of what it'll cost

509
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Speaker 2: you to get a quarterback. And I've said that on

510
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Speaker 2: this the show before. When you know, Jimbo Fisher and

511
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 2: Nick Saban had their War Awards a couple of years ago.

512
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 2: It wasn't so much over there there, you need to

513
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Speaker 2: spend this much money. When Ryan Day said, oh you

514
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,399
Speaker 2: need thirteen million dollars for a class, it was a

515
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Speaker 2: call to arms to get their boosters.

516
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Speaker 1: It wasn't yeah, it wasn't targeted to the public.

517
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 2: No, No, it was targeted one percent to their boosters

518
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 2: to get their butts under the collective and make these

519
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:08,359
Speaker 2: things happen. With Nebraska, he is going to be a

520
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 2: plug and play option, but probably more like a requirement.

521
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:16,120
Speaker 2: Their quarterback situation was a disaster this year. You buy

522
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,680
Speaker 2: yourself some time a little bit when you have a

523
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Speaker 2: true freshman quarterback. I think it's earlier in your career

524
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Speaker 2: as the head coach there, you might buy yourself some

525
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 2: time rather than in year six or seven trying to

526
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Speaker 2: go at the true freshman because by them, the fans

527
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 2: are tired of your excuses. But when you're Nebraska and

528
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,399
Speaker 2: you're now getting a legacy who you know, keep in

529
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 2: mind that that's a big thing with Nebraska. It's if

530
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Speaker 2: his dad doesn't play in Nebraska, if his uncle doesn't

531
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Speaker 2: play in Nebraska, And now coach in Nebraska. Nebraska is

532
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 2: not even sitting at the table, let alone getting him

533
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 2: to eat from their banqueting table. He is going to

534
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,159
Speaker 2: Georgia or he is going to anywhere else in the

535
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Speaker 2: country that would want him. But Nebraska has that legacy pull,

536
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Speaker 2: So he's going to buy Matt Ruhle another year of time. Oh,

537
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,200
Speaker 2: he's a true fresh If he has a mistakes, he's

538
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:05,120
Speaker 2: got all the talent in the world. The transition shouldn't

539
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,399
Speaker 2: be huge for him because of the physical talent, because

540
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 2: he's a very smart, cerebral kid. He's grown up around

541
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 2: the game. But a true freshman is still a true freshman.

542
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Speaker 2: And you know, look no further than Dante More. I mean,

543
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 2: we have famed quarterback coach Chip Kelly bringing him in.

544
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,360
Speaker 2: Everybody thought it was going to be sweet, wonderful music,

545
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:26,200
Speaker 2: considering what Chip Kelly had done with Dorian Thompson Robinson

546
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 2: from year one to the year five. So naturally Dante

547
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,360
Speaker 2: is going to have that same success, but he's more talented,

548
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,640
Speaker 2: and then everything went, you know, fell apart. So when

549
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 2: a talented coach has a talented offensive coach has a

550
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 2: talented quarterback, and that doesn't work because a true freshman

551
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 2: is still a true freshman. That's the position that you're in.

552
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 2: And you look at you know, a guy like Bryce Young, CJ. Stroud,

553
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 2: they waited their turn, They didn't play as true freshmen.

554
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,439
Speaker 2: They were established starters. On the flip side, where did

555
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:59,200
Speaker 2: Jayden Daniels resume him or rejuvenate his career after he

556
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 2: transferred when he's started as a true freshman. Bone Nicks

557
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 2: started as a true freshman. I mean, bone Nicks almost

558
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 2: hurt himself by sorry to bring this up, Dan that

559
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 2: game against Oregon in his college debut. To win that game,

560
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 2: he set the bar so high that, oh man, this

561
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 2: was going to be like every Well, he still was

562
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 2: a true freshman by the end of that season. And

563
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 2: then you have multiple coordinators. So that's the thing I

564
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 2: think Nebraska fans thinking that this guy's going to come

565
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 2: in and be Tommy Frazier or being you know, one

566
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 2: of those Scott Frost quarterback, not Scott Frosts the coach,

567
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 2: but have that ability to come in and, you know,

568
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 2: do what Trevor Lawrence did at Clemson, do what Jalen

569
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 2: Hurts did at Alabama. I think you need to understand

570
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 2: that those guys were kind of unicorns in the STS.

571
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrence was a generational talent. Hurts was obviously very good,

572
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,959
Speaker 2: but he also had a generational defense backing him up.

573
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,640
Speaker 2: So yes, do I think Rayola has the talent? Absolutely?

574
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 2: Could he use a year of seasoning. Absolutely? And the

575
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 2: thing is Nebraska is now bringing him in and those

576
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,119
Speaker 2: fans are going to be calling for him to you

577
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 2: start the second they take their first snap of opening

578
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 2: game next fall. Is he ready for that? It all

579
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,919
Speaker 2: depends on who's blocking for him and who's catching passes

580
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 2: from him, because that is still what the ultimate kind

581
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 2: of a judge of a true freshman quarterback is is

582
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,120
Speaker 2: does he have to do everything by himself or does

583
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,679
Speaker 2: he have some talent to help keep the training wheels

584
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 2: and take those training wheels off a bit. That's what

585
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 2: I think, you know he's going to need. But I

586
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,159
Speaker 2: don't think that Nebraska is going to be willing to

587
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 2: be And when I say Nebraska, I don't mean the coaches,

588
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 2: I mean the fans. They're gonna expect him to come

589
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 2: in and be the dude the second he steps foot

590
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 2: on campus.

591
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Speaker 4: Given his ranking, broadly speaking, completely separate from the transfer portal,

592
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 4: which I think we've discussed at length here has sort

593
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 4: of overshadowed the old high school traditional method of getting

594
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 4: guys on campus. What are the storylines for you? What

595
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 4: are the big storylines for you this high school recruiting

596
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 4: cycle that people should know about.

597
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 2: You know, I think one of the most interesting things

598
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 2: is is this is that first year in a while

599
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 2: where conference re alignment does really have an impact. Who

600
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 2: are the schools making a move from a conference where

601
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 2: they've been comfortable and sitting in that conference for years

602
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 2: and now they're having to recruit against bigger boys. Because

603
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 2: I'm looking at Oklahoma and Texas making that move from

604
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 2: the Big Twelve to the SEC. Oklahoma and Texas were

605
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 2: keen in the Big Twelve. Didn't always translate to wins,

606
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 2: you know, for Texas and Oklahoma couldn't never get over

607
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 2: that playoff hump of getting in and losing the first game.

608
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 2: But now you're saying over in the SEC, Well, yeah, coach,

609
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 2: you know, so is Alabama, so is Georgia, so is LSU,

610
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 2: and they're now recruiting me. You're now going to have

611
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,959
Speaker 2: a more difficult time recruiting your own state because now

612
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 2: those kids are like, oh man, these SEC schools are

613
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 2: coming after me. Yeah, Oklahoma, Texas are SEC schools. But

614
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, the idea of going to play

615
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 2: in Athens, Georgia isn't so crazy because my parents can

616
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 2: still see me. We're gonna come to Oklahoma every year.

617
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 2: We're gonna be playing in this part of the country.

618
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 2: And then, you know, Dan and I have talked a

619
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 2: lot about the Pac twelve schools moving to the Big Ten.

620
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 2: Right now, you can convince me organ is the only

621
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 2: school recruiting as if they're ready for this move. USC

622
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 2: kind of was, but they're losing a lot of guys.

623
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Speaker 2: They're losing guys of the portal Washington. They're doing heavy

624
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 2: portal rather than going heavy lifting in high school, which

625
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 2: is strange considering the last two years. But they've had

626
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 2: you know, you could go and recruit high school kids

627
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 2: because you are a hot name. And then UCLA nobody

628
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 2: knows what the hell they're doing recruiting, and you know,

629
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 2: this is year seven of asking the question what the

630
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 2: hell are they doing? Right now, UCLA has the seventeenth

631
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 2: graded class in the Big Ten, and there's sandwich between

632
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 2: Northwestern and Michigan State, who both had off the field issues,

633
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 2: firing their coaches, and they were trailing. I mean you

634
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 2: in year seven going into your seven of Chip Kelly,

635
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 2: So there's no Excuses's not like there's any questions about

636
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 2: the job. There weren't at least coming into the season.

637
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 2: And you know, how are these schools that are making

638
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 2: these moves of these new conferences prepared for it? And

639
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 2: right now? You know, if you look at Oregon, they've

640
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 2: got Aiden Brielyn committed, the top d lineman out west.

641
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 2: They've got Elijah Rushing committed, the top edge rusher out west.

642
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 2: They're the heavy leader for Jericho Johnson, the one player

643
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 2: in Northern California who's ad tackle. Oregon is doing a

644
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 2: fantastic job on the offensive line and the defensive line

645
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 2: to make that move to the Big ten that much

646
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 2: more player ready and Oklahoma Texas both have top ten classes.

647
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 2: They're ramping up. I mean they're spreading their wings. Texas

648
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 2: is kind of like the Big Three in Florida where

649
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 2: they don't just recruit their own state now because they

650
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 2: are kind of national. You look at the players that

651
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 2: they've gotten in Sarks connections to the West Coast and

652
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 2: where he's recruited these schools are doing a bigger and

653
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 2: better job of recruiting nationally. Oklahoma and Texas are ready,

654
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 2: Oregon's ready, USC is acting like they're ready, Washington's ready.

655
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 2: From the portal standpoint, but that's what I'm watching. How

656
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 2: are these schools making And yes, there's even the Big

657
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 2: twelve schools that are moving or the PAC twelve schools

658
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 2: going to the Big twelve not as remarkable. That's not

659
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 2: you know, Colorado and Utah and Arizona Arizona State going

660
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 2: to the Big twelve is not the new shattering news

661
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 2: like the Big ten schools inheriting the four PAC twelve

662
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 2: over the two Big twelve schools going to the SEC.

663
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 2: But everybody kind of had to ramp their own recruiting

664
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 2: game to be prepared for that new conference. That's to me,

665
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 2: the biggest storyline of anything is who's ready for this transition?

666
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 2: Who's not ready?

667
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 3: Something fascinating to me within the SEC as well, I noticed,

668
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 3: and it's a little unexpected to me, but it's a

669
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 3: great thing if you're a Georgia fan. Kirby Smart's recruiting

670
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 3: nationally in a way that I think a lot of

671
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 3: people wouldn't expect, not because they don't think he's a

672
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 3: good recruiter. But I think that the general line of

673
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 3: thinking is he's so close to so much talent right

674
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 3: in Georgia, Florida, the Carolina's, Alabama. But he's almost doing

675
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 3: and I know this is hearsay for some like what

676
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 3: Pete Carroll did. Right, We're like, we've built this program

677
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 3: up to such a huge level that the Georgia brand

678
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 3: is now so widespread and so known that we're going

679
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 3: to go into Illinois, We're going to go into Iowa,

680
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 3: We're going to go into California, We're going to go

681
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 3: into Arizona. And when you look at the number of

682
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 3: states represented in this class, it looks like a Notre

683
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 3: Dame class, right. It looks like somebody that has to

684
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 3: recruit nationally, where now Georgia can be choosy about who

685
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 3: it wants in the Midwest, on the East coast, on

686
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 3: the West coast, in the Southwest, whatever, And it's I

687
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,479
Speaker 3: think they just hired Kirby, just hired Dante Williams, who

688
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 3: obviously is super connected on the West coast. Is this

689
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 3: something you saw coming. Do you think he's being especially

690
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 3: savvy about it? What is your view of where.

691
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: Georgia recruiting is obviously in an incredible place right now.

692
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, Dan's funny because you mentioned Pete Carrolly and I

693
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 2: had somebody tell me this that, you know, back when

694
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 2: Pete had going on, USC wasn't even recruiting anymore. They

695
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 2: were evaluating. They were going to get the kids. It

696
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 2: was just a matter of did they get the right kids.

697
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,719
Speaker 2: And they had those legendary classes early on. Then they

698
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 2: had some classes where, you know, the evaluation might have

699
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 2: been off, but they were after the Vidal Hazel teams,

700
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 2: the Antwin perez Is and some of those guys never

701
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 2: really did much at USC, but everybody in the country

702
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 2: wanted them, so it was a matter of an evaluation.

703
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 2: But they showed up that sc logo was on a

704
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 2: coach's chest, boom, they were getting it. There would be

705
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 2: guys that were the number one or number two player

706
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 2: in a recruiting class for one school, and USC would

707
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 2: make him the twenty fifth best player in their class.

708
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 2: Herery are in twenty twenty three, that's where Georgia is.

709
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 2: I had a trainer tell me this. He had taken

710
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,320
Speaker 2: a couple of this players down to Athens during the summer,

711
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 2: He's like, dude, Kirby's winning at least five more national championships.

712
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 2: They have become what Alabama was, and I'm like, let's,

713
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 2: you know, pump the brakes there. Alabama is still really

714
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 2: darn good. And then obviously it played out this year.

715
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 2: But the point was is that Georgia doesn't even need

716
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 2: to recruit anymore. Georgia just needs to tell you we

717
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 2: want you, and if you want to go play there,

718
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 2: you'll go there and you'll flourish. I mean, you look

719
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 2: at their two tight ends a year ago. You had

720
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 2: one from Las Vegas, the other from Napa, California. You

721
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:43,879
Speaker 2: remember John Boyett. I mean he was the last great

722
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 2: player to come from Napa. That was in the late

723
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 2: two thousands, all right, so it's not like Napa's a

724
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 2: hotspot for athletic talent. But Kirby knew, go to the

725
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 2: West coast. We're cooking, we're getting We're this close to

726
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,240
Speaker 2: winning a national championship. Let's go get a brock Bowers.

727
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 2: He might be the difference. Go get a Kendall Milton,

728
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 2: he might be the difference. We're still going to recruit

729
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 2: the Southeast, but we've got the credibility and the chops

730
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 2: to recruit nationally. And that's one of those things that

731
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 2: other schools are like, crap. Can't you just recruit your

732
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 2: own region? If you're a West school, if you're a

733
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 2: USC if you're an Oregon even can you just stay

734
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 2: in your own line? Can you stay out of the

735
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 2: West Coast? Let us have the West coast kids. Let

736
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,879
Speaker 2: us keep those kids out West. No. Now those kids

737
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 2: are going to Georgia. Ernest Screen starting to tackle for them.

738
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 2: This here, Saint John Bosco. I mean there was a

739
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 2: time where if you were at BOSCOO, you went to

740
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 2: one of three schools. Really, you went to scu' to UCLA,

741
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,320
Speaker 2: you went to Oregon. All right, Now Bosco's best players

742
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 2: are going to Georgia. They've got a couple that are

743
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 2: committed to Alabama. Modern day kids are Nate Fraser, the

744
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 2: top running back in the state of California. You would

745
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 2: have thought Nate Fraser, that's a kid. I mean, he's

746
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 2: going to Oregon. He's going to sc two schools that

747
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 2: have recruit him at to eight. No, he's going to Georgia.

748
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,240
Speaker 2: Roger Robinson out of San Diego last year, was committed

749
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 2: to Ucla, Georgia pushed up. Boom, he goes to Georgia.

750
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 2: That's the impact if you're a school and you're like, hey,

751
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 2: we got this kid, we love him. Oh crap, Georgie's

752
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 2: interested in this kid. Now he's recruiting them. What do

753
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 2: we have to stand for? They have good NIL but

754
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 2: more importantly, they have good NFL preparation. And you know,

755
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 2: I'm not at all Georgia fans. I'm not at all

756
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 2: comparing Kirby to John Caliparty. So I want to make

757
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 2: that very clear as I make this comparison. But remember

758
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 2: when when Calipari first got to Kentucky. Everybody said, oh, well,

759
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 2: he's only getting these guys because he's paying them, and

760
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 2: obviously Kirby was getting all the accusations thrown. But then

761
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 2: it became such a factory. You go to Kentucky, you're

762
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 2: going to the lottery, you're going early. Georgia's like, you

763
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 2: go there, you don't even need to be a starter

764
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 2: until your last year. And Alabama had that. I remember

765
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 2: when Rashaan Evans spurned schools and went to Alabama knowing

766
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 2: he probably wasn't going to start till you to do

767
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 2: it till year three, ends up starting in year four,

768
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 2: goes in the first round. George's at that level now,

769
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 2: Kendall Milton doesn't leave. He knows. Hey, I just need

770
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 2: to get you know, under Swift out of here, all

771
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 2: these guys out and get my opportunity. And when I do,

772
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 2: now I'm an NFL guy. George is not even recruiting anymore. Now,

773
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 2: they're just picking and choosing who they want.

774
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 3: Who's winning battles unexpectedly? Obviously Georgia winning a battle is

775
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 3: not especially surprising, but you look at I think there's

776
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 3: a top five overall player going to Missoo. I think

777
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 3: he's local to Miszoo. Williams, No, I don't know how you.

778
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:16,879
Speaker 2: Pronounce his last time, I'll get there.

779
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 1: Yeah.

780
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 3: Who's winning battles? Not sort of you know, over punching

781
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 3: or whatever, but like, who is who has done a

782
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 3: really good job of building a class, keeping a class,

783
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 3: fighting off bigger programs and looks to be securing something

784
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:34,240
Speaker 3: pretty interesting for the future.

785
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we don't. There's no like Texas A

786
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 2: and M where the old sesame street thing of like

787
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 2: one of these is not like the other, you know,

788
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 2: like and have this generational class I think there's two

789
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 2: schools that kind of, you know, are remarkable in the

790
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 2: sense that you're not used to them maybe being rated

791
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 2: so high. Auburn has always been kind of on the

792
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 2: fence of like, you know, are they serious do they

793
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 2: want to be serious about recruiting. Well, then you bring

794
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 2: in Hugh Free and speaking of the school, that was

795
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 2: the one of these kids not like the other. Who

796
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,800
Speaker 2: could ever forget the legendary twenty thirteen Old Miss class

797
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 2: and you know the talent that was in that class

798
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,760
Speaker 2: and obviously the famous tweets that came as a result

799
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:13,919
Speaker 2: of that. But you know, Auburn has done a really

800
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 2: good job in this class. Fifth flipping Cameron Coleman from

801
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,919
Speaker 2: LS he was huge, He's an elite receiver. They're still

802
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 2: trying to you know, they're still in the mix for

803
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 2: a guy like kJ Bolden. So Auburn has done a

804
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 2: really good job that we're not used to seeing because again,

805
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 2: under Brian Harson, they couldn't get out of their own way.

806
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 2: With Gus mells On, it was it seemed like everybody

807
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 2: hated Gus that was donating money to the Auburn program,

808
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 2: even though he was, you know, pulling out some really

809
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 2: good seasons, but now they're recruiting at a high level.

810
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 2: But then the one that's just kind of you know,

811
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 2: this isn't the school in that state I'd expect it's

812
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 2: been South Carolina. And it kind of went last year

813
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 2: when they were able to get Nicholas Harbor, who was

814
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 2: just you know, this freak of nature unicorn, big athletic

815
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 2: edge rusher who thought he was a receiver, thought he

816
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,399
Speaker 2: could play tight end, and South cad like like, dude,

817
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 2: you can play whatever the heck you want, just come here. Well,

818
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 2: then they followed it up in twenty twenty four by

819
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 2: getting Dylan Stewart, a top fifteen edge rusher from the

820
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 2: DMV area and holding on to him. And I really

821
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,280
Speaker 2: like what Shane Biemer has done in a recruiting standpoint.

822
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,879
Speaker 2: I mean, you could see the passion in which he's

823
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 2: recruiting and how he coaches, and now it needs to

824
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 2: just continue to translate on the field to get some

825
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 2: wins and not be mediocre when you have a quarterback

826
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 2: like a Spencer Ratler. But those are kind of the

827
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 2: two schools in this class that we're not used to

828
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,399
Speaker 2: seeing be ranked as high as they are. That happen

829
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 2: to be ranked relatively high, because then you kind of

830
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 2: go through the list. It's the Georgia of the Ohio

831
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 2: State at the Alabama, the Florida States, Texas is the

832
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,800
Speaker 2: schools that you kind of expect, the Organs that you know,

833
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 2: the Penn States, they're all kind of there, LSU. But

834
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 2: then you kind of have the South Carolina Auburn. You're like, oh, okay, well,

835
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 2: welcome to the party. Guys. If you start to recruit

836
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 2: at a high level, then that probably bodes well. And

837
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 2: the irony and all that is South Carolina here they

838
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 2: have like a top seventeen eighteen class, like this eighth

839
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 2: best class in the SEC. So you could be good

840
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 2: on a national scale, but in your own conference, you

841
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 2: still got some work to do to climb up that rank.

842
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 3: How close are we to you or anybody who covers

843
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 3: recruiting publicly talking about recruiting in a fantasy football type

844
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 3: almost like a GM way, where like they're really spending

845
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 3: on receivers, like ooh, interesting that, like they're putting all

846
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,359
Speaker 3: their money in the offensive line pot, like oh, they've

847
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,320
Speaker 3: already like spent a bunch on edge. I don't know

848
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 3: if there's you know, money left on the cap for

849
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 3: them to spend something on corner like as things open up.

850
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 3: And obviously there's like an NCAA pitch about, you know,

851
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 3: centralizing everything within the school. Like, are these conversations you

852
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 3: have behind the scenes talking about how different teams and

853
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,280
Speaker 3: collectives are budgeting?

854
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, absolutely. I mean I remember when I first

855
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,800
Speaker 2: started covering recruiting, the recruiting director was usually your special

856
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 2: teams coach or your running backs coach, who his job

857
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 2: was to get recruits and running backs set up junior days.

858
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 2: Your director of football operations. Those two are the two

859
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 2: that did recruiting. Now you've got schools that have, you know,

860
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 2: a director player personnel, a director of recruiting, director of

861
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 2: recruiting strategy, a director of create the director creativity for recruiting,

862
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:16,320
Speaker 2: a director of you know, transfer recruiting, a general manager.

863
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 2: You've got entire front offices being built into recruiting staffs.

864
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 2: You know, you look at schools that have a general

865
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 2: manager and they're essentially handling all the off the field stuff,

866
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 2: which is recruiting, which is essentially being capologists. And I

867
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 2: was having this conversation with one of my coworkers recently,

868
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 2: like you know, with all due respect to those people

869
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 2: that know how to do financials, the you know, the

870
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 2: Theoepsteins of the world are going to find themselves with

871
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 2: jobs in college football sooner rather than later because as

872
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 2: you're having to to balance what your collective is making

873
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:54,439
Speaker 2: available and how you're going to you know, distribute that money.

874
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 2: Is it going to be an even distribution. Is every

875
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 2: player getting thirty thousand dollars in a you know, on

876
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:01,879
Speaker 2: a bike, or does your starting quarterback yet one point five? Well,

877
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 2: we've only got twenty million to work with. We've got

878
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 2: to allocate these funds appropriately. So you're going to have

879
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:11,919
Speaker 2: somebody that's literally their entire job is financing and it's

880
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 2: being an accountant. So we're I guess a lot of

881
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:18,840
Speaker 2: it depends on how soon we get there. If the NCAA,

882
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 2: which seems to be powerless more and more lately, can

883
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:26,760
Speaker 2: establish a way for nil deals to be public, because

884
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 2: that's never going to see the light of day if

885
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 2: the schools have anything to do with it. They don't

886
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 2: want that information public. They want to be able to

887
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 2: use it, you know, for their own edification. And that's

888
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 2: part of the reason somebody nil deals sound so screwy

889
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 2: is because you have people Well he's getting three million,

890
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,399
Speaker 2: it's three and a half million. Well, those numbers aren't

891
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 2: coming from the schools. Those numbers aren't even coming from

892
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 2: the collectives. Those numbers are coming from NIL agents who

893
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 2: are trying to ramp up the intrigue in that player.

894
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 2: I spent a year working for Scott Boris way back

895
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 2: in the day. I know all about you know, bidding

896
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 2: teams against themselves. Oh, well, the Boss and Red Sox

897
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 2: are gonna get Bernie Williams X amount of dollars and

898
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 2: the Red Sox like, we never made a deal, but

899
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 2: coach time Render doesn't want to lose that, so I'm

900
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 2: going to give Bernie five million dollars more. Well, now

901
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 2: we're doing that in twenty twenty three, and well jade

902
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 2: Urshott is going to get X amounts, so we're going

903
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 2: to give him.

904
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 1: Why am out?

905
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 2: Well, those schools are sitting there going like, dude, that's

906
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 2: not even the money. We don't even have that much

907
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 2: money in our collective, nor do we have that much

908
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 2: money for the next three years in the collective. But

909
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:28,720
Speaker 2: there's somebody internally who has got his Excel spreadsheet wide

910
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 2: open allocating that money, and it's gonna there's gonna be

911
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 2: a point where the school, being control freaks that the

912
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 2: schools are, they're going to take that out of the

913
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,320
Speaker 2: collective's hands and say, we're just going to hire somebody

914
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 2: internally to manage all of our finances for what our

915
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 2: allocation is going to be. And you know there's going

916
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 2: to be a director of financial strategy that's going to

917
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,399
Speaker 2: show up. I mean, I'm if we're gonna be honest

918
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 2: to see, Alabama's probably going to find if theo epstein's

919
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 2: going to get fired or retire. And we all know

920
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 2: that he goes to the place where all recovering coaches

921
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:03,240
Speaker 2: go to have their career reads habilitated. THEOEPS in Alabama.

922
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 2: Crimson tied seth, why.

923
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 1: Don't you do that? Why don't you take that? H?

924
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,800
Speaker 1: Why don't you do that? What is that your golden parachute?

925
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:14,399
Speaker 2: I was told there would be no math, And I'm

926
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:16,359
Speaker 2: a terrible I'm a great father, I think, but I'm

927
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 2: careable When my kid comes to me and says, Dad,

928
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,800
Speaker 2: can you look at my algebra homework? Am I dude, No,

929
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 2: I cannot. I can proofread your essay, but do not

930
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 2: make all.

931
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 1: These big gms have a capologist. Brandon, Yes, I could

932
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:30,320
Speaker 1: be the GM.

933
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 2: I can't be the capologist, but the gms too. It's

934
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 2: fascinating because you're now seeing schools you know, and this

935
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 2: is kind of a sidebar to that, but like you're

936
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 2: not seeing schools that GM. He is telling the coaches,

937
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,240
Speaker 2: this is who you're offering. This is who you're recruiting.

938
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:48,399
Speaker 2: Whereas the coaches say, oh, I got to watch the tape.

939
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 2: I don't really like them, I don't want them from

940
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 2: my room. Now a lot of these position coaches are

941
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 2: being told by the GM, this is who you're recruiting.

942
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 2: This is to the level of which you're recruiting. Because

943
00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 2: I like him a lot, he can't play in my room.

944
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 2: I didn't ask you if you could play group. This

945
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 2: is the running back that we want, this is what

946
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 2: we're willing to do to get him, and this is

947
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 2: how hard you need to recruit him. So that GM

948
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 2: role is very appealing and it's very intriguing. You're going

949
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,720
Speaker 2: to start seeing more and more schools naming a GM,

950
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 2: and he is going to handle all the off the field,

951
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 2: all the non game day stuff, and he is going

952
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 2: to be managing and dictating what that roster looks like.

953
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,800
Speaker 2: And that's just another step along the way that the

954
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,240
Speaker 2: college model is becoming very much the pro model.

955
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 3: Anytime anybody invests a lot of money in anything, whether

956
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 3: you're investing in stocks, whether you're investing in real estate,

957
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 3: if you're investing in a car, if you're investing in vacations, whatever,

958
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 3: you invest a ton of money. Six figures, seven figures.

959
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 3: You want to see a quarterly earning statement. You want

960
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 3: to see due diligence. You want to do all of

961
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 3: the research you can possibly do to make sure your

962
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:52,320
Speaker 3: investment is going to pay off. What type of investment

963
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 3: are schools now making, especially in bigger recruits. Obviously there's

964
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 3: more known about portal players, but bigger high school recruits.

965
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 3: They were just like, look, we're not going to spend

966
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 3: a million dollars on this edge rusher because by all accounts,

967
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 3: he's not a good kid. He's not trustworthy, or he's lazy,

968
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 3: or his mom is terrible, or his dad is terrible,

969
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 3: or his trainer is terrible. Like, what are the types

970
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 3: of due diligence involved with a five star receiver, a

971
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 3: five star quarterback, a five star left tackle and is

972
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 3: it way beyond where it's been because of you know,

973
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 3: now it's an investment in a way that it's different

974
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 3: than it was. Obviously there's always been money around top kids,

975
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 3: but like what is that type of behind the scenes

976
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:36,359
Speaker 3: now decision making around, Like, look, he's a great edge rusher,

977
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 3: but like he would be terrible for us there.

978
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:42,839
Speaker 2: You know, ten years ago, it was always oh well,

979
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:44,840
Speaker 2: he's chasing the back, so he was a fit issue.

980
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 2: He wasn't going to fit in here because what he

981
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 2: wanted and what we offered were not going to be

982
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 2: the same thing. Well, now, with every kid having the

983
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:54,800
Speaker 2: opportunity to get nil, that excuse is thrown out the windows.

984
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 2: So now it's a matter of are we doing a

985
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 2: deep dive, are we vetting who this kid is and

986
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 2: who the people around him are, or are we just

987
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 2: chasing the fact that he's a six foot five, two

988
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 2: hundred fifty pound edg rusher who can run the forty

989
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 2: at four to six and he's you know, we're chasing stars.

990
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 2: He's rated high because he looks the part, he plays

991
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 2: the part. He has all we don't care what the

992
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 2: off the field is. We can we can take care

993
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 2: of that. We can fix that. Every coach thinks that,

994
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 2: you know, they're this part psychiatrist, part psychologist, part you know,

995
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:25,800
Speaker 2: child life specialist. They can make the kid fit the

996
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 2: square peg into that round hole. Every coach thinks that

997
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 2: that they're the one that's going to change this kid.

998
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:32,439
Speaker 1: But it's not their money.

999
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 2: It's not their money. And that's the thing. And so

1000
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 2: now you're seeing the schools, they're coming back and they're saying,

1001
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 2: wait a second, we gave X amount of dollars to

1002
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,320
Speaker 2: this guy, and we got no return on the investment.

1003
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 2: And you know, look no further than Ohio State. Two

1004
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 2: years ago. They got Quinn Eewers. He wants to skip

1005
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 2: his senior year because he wants to get paid. He

1006
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 2: goes there and then he leaves in the Ohio State

1007
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 2: boosters said, we're going to give him X amount of dollars.

1008
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 2: They don't have a quarterback. Now that they're in a

1009
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 2: situation where that hurt quarterback recruiting subsequent years because of him,

1010
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 2: and what id ohise to get out of that. They

1011
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 2: got Colin mcord leaving after an eleven one season. They

1012
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 2: got Devin Brown wearing number zero or whatever number he's wearing.

1013
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 2: He'srunning some weird number. Yeah, yeah, it's a very unconventional.

1014
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:15,800
Speaker 2: It's like a spring training pitcher number. And you're complaining

1015
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 2: because you can't get a quarterback in the portal. Well,

1016
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 2: you allocated your funds the wrong way. And I mean

1017
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 2: the biggest school is that is Texas A and M.

1018
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 2: They threw so much money and then guys were leaving

1019
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 2: even after last year, before Jimbo even got fired. And

1020
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 2: I would love to be at a stage in life

1021
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 2: where I have so much go to Hell money that

1022
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:35,839
Speaker 2: I'll be like, oh, yeah, here's another five million dollars.

1023
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 2: Go give me a good pass rusher, Go give me

1024
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 2: another left tackle, because I really need that pride on

1025
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 2: those Sundays in the fall to brag at the country

1026
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 2: club about what my team did. And it's just like,

1027
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 2: and I've always been fascinated by how academia with professors

1028
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 2: in with athletic directors and school presidents, they claim to

1029
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 2: be the smartest people in the room. That's why they're

1030
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:00,320
Speaker 2: running a university. How they could be so odd often

1031
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 2: taken to the wished by Jimmy Sexton and offer these

1032
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 2: horrible deals that screw the school and they have to

1033
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 2: pay them ninety million dollars to go away. And I

1034
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 2: need to call my boosters and say, heyo, can you

1035
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 2: hook us up with about thirty million dollars for this buyout? Oh,

1036
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:15,280
Speaker 2: by the way, can you also get to the collect

1037
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 2: because we need another pass rusher. We need somebody to

1038
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 2: block our quarterbacks blind side. We also need somebody to

1039
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,880
Speaker 2: catch passes. So when you're sending money to this account,

1040
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 2: make sure you're sending you to this account. Now, I

1041
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 2: think schools are getting like, listen, you go get your

1042
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 2: money for the buyout that you offered that you said

1043
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 2: you're going to get. Go get that from the TV

1044
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 2: money that you're now getting from ESPN or CBS or Fox.

1045
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 2: I Do'm not donating money. I don't care about our

1046
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 2: banquet room, or our weight room or our training table.

1047
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 2: I care about getting the best players. And I remember

1048
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 2: hearing this in January of twenty twenty two, getting kind

1049
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 2: of a going rate chart left quarterbacks like they are

1050
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 2: in the NFL. We're getting high paid. There was a

1051
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 2: time where the quarterbacks went to a school because of

1052
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:59,280
Speaker 2: the quarterback development, the chance to go to the NFL.

1053
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:02,360
Speaker 2: They weren't getting paid. It almost seemed like, oh, well,

1054
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 2: you know, quarterback winter because he wants to play. They

1055
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 2: weren't getting paid. Now quarterbacks are commanding, you know, millions

1056
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 2: of dollars, whether it's high school, whether it's the portal.

1057
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 2: You've got edge rushers and left tackles that are kind

1058
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 2: of two and three in how much resources are going

1059
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:19,720
Speaker 2: towards them. So we're now at a point where schools

1060
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 2: are like, hey, if I'm going to be spending money,

1061
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:23,359
Speaker 2: it's not for buyouts, it's not to get my name

1062
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:26,800
Speaker 2: on a plaque outside the football facility. It's going to

1063
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 2: this collective because we need a talent upgrade. And I'm

1064
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 2: not giving that coach another cent that's going to his paycheck.

1065
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 2: I'm giving it to these players because the Jimmies and

1066
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 2: the jos are the ones winning, not the guy calling

1067
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:38,439
Speaker 2: the x's and o's.

1068
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 4: Let me dive in a little bit to some of

1069
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 4: the specifics on the at least a time of recording,

1070
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 4: twenty four to seven team rankings, notably fifteen, sixteen, and

1071
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 4: seventeen are Clemson, Michigan, and USC three teams. I would

1072
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:56,280
Speaker 4: posit we're not used to seeing that low in the rankings. Obviously,

1073
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 4: one hundred and fifteen. Other teams in the country would

1074
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 4: be thrilled with that level of standing on the recruiting

1075
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 4: rankings the day before this all goes down. But how

1076
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 4: deeply should we read into any of those Clemson being

1077
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 4: at fifteen a smaller class, Michigan normal size class, but

1078
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 4: maybe lower than we'd expect. USC we alluded to earlier.

1079
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 4: Not really sure what the vision is there, but there's

1080
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,840
Speaker 4: a lot of portal activity, where like, where is your

1081
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:25,879
Speaker 4: level of concern or least concern with respect to those

1082
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:27,400
Speaker 4: three schools with where they're at right now?

1083
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 2: Well, I think if there's a concern, it's that Michigan

1084
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 2: really hasn't tried to dive into the portal as heavily

1085
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 2: as other schools have. And obviously we Clemson, we've gone

1086
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 2: over that. I add nauseum in that Dabbo is insisted

1087
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 2: on not using the portal and not trying to get

1088
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 2: that quick help. It's developing the players at his school recruited.

1089
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 2: Whereas USC with Lincoln Riley, I mean, this guy had

1090
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 2: success at Oklahoma with transfer quarterbacks each and every year.

1091
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:55,799
Speaker 2: His most successful quarterback that I think he recruited as

1092
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:59,320
Speaker 2: his own player was Caleb Williams who ended up following

1093
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 2: him as a or I'm sorry, as a transfer. So

1094
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 2: USC has kind of dug their heels in the saying

1095
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:07,800
Speaker 2: we're going to recruit the portal. So then being in

1096
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 2: the eighteenth then you know they're also there's some fallout

1097
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 2: with you know, Domani Jackson going to the portal, Malachai

1098
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:16,280
Speaker 2: Nelson going to the portal, Corey Forman, I would imagine

1099
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 2: he's at some point going into the portal. There's some

1100
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 2: lingering players that they got when that they inherited when

1101
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 2: they got there, that they're maybe losing. So they're kind

1102
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 2: of focusing more on the portal to get more immediate playing,

1103
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:34,279
Speaker 2: playable players because they're losing sophomores in juniors. Clemson is

1104
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 2: one of those that maybe this is finally the year

1105
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 2: that Dabbo realizes you've got to die feat first into

1106
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 2: our headfirst into going into the portal. But Michigan, it's

1107
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 2: clearly whatever that they're doing there at Michigan is working.

1108
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 4: Now.

1109
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 2: I know how say fans are saying, well, we know

1110
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:51,759
Speaker 2: what they're doing that's working. But whatever Michigan has been doing,

1111
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 2: and part of that is you know, Harbaugh doing a

1112
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 2: great job in evaluation and developing, and he's really not

1113
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 2: losing a lot of his assistant and coaches unless they're

1114
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:04,880
Speaker 2: you know, making moves as a coordinator somewhere or you know,

1115
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:07,279
Speaker 2: taking head coaching positions. He's done a really good job

1116
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 2: of holding on to the staff and there's that continuity

1117
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 2: and then replacing those assistants with good assistants. When Clemson

1118
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:17,320
Speaker 2: was losing their offensive coordinators, they were just replacing him internally,

1119
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 2: and so those players weren't getting any better. So it's like, okay, well,

1120
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:22,840
Speaker 2: if that's not working, you've got to recruit better. But

1121
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 2: if you look at those teams that were winning national

1122
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:28,799
Speaker 2: championships for Dabbo, they weren't necessarily top five, top ten

1123
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 2: recruiting classes. They were fifteen and twenty. It was you

1124
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 2: going and getting a no name safety out of the

1125
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 2: state of Kansas who then becomes a star for you

1126
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 2: in your national championship team. Yeah, they did get a

1127
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrence, they gotted the Shawn Watson. They were getting,

1128
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:48,319
Speaker 2: you know, really good elite players, but not a full

1129
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 2: collection of them. They were doing a great job of

1130
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 2: evaluating them and then developing them. So Clemson was winning

1131
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 2: kind of with the same method, but now they've got

1132
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 2: to evolved and be ready to have those playable players coming.

1133
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:04,760
Speaker 2: In Michigan, they went heavy recruiting early on when Harbaugh

1134
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:06,319
Speaker 2: was there. When he first got there, man, they were

1135
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 2: I remember there were rules that were literally being passed

1136
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 2: recruiting wise because of Harbaugh, whether it was spending the

1137
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:14,720
Speaker 2: night at you know one of the recruits house cimbing

1138
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:18,319
Speaker 2: up a tree for another kid, having a satellite camp

1139
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 2: at Antioch High School just to get Naujie Harrison, you know,

1140
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 2: spending essentially a four hour in home visit. But then

1141
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 2: it was like, okay, well, Ohio States getting all the buzzs,

1142
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 2: even Penn State's getting more buzz So Michigan's just going

1143
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 2: to be about development. They're going to go get players.

1144
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 2: They're going to go after kids, but they're not going

1145
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 2: to dance with the kid all the way till the end.

1146
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:39,959
Speaker 2: If he's going to have drama around his recruitment, they'll

1147
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 2: go get a guy like a Jaden Davis. They'll go

1148
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 2: get you know, some of these players like a Gatlan Bear,

1149
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,360
Speaker 2: a Colston Leven that are low maintenance, really good football

1150
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 2: players that are going to fit in well instead of

1151
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 2: going and chasing after these kids. That what all the

1152
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:55,960
Speaker 2: dramas surrounding and so you know, I think when you

1153
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 2: look at those three, they all have different models. So

1154
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 2: seeing him in that back part of the time when

1155
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 2: he given their success on the field, or given their

1156
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 2: proximity to so much talent like it is with USC,

1157
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:07,879
Speaker 2: it does make you scratch your head. But it's worked

1158
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 2: for Michigan. It hasn't worked all that well for USC

1159
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 2: of late and Clemson, well, we all know that they

1160
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 2: need to evolve, and that's probably gonna be more on

1161
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 2: the portal side than on the recruiting side, because the

1162
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:18,799
Speaker 2: recruiting strategy hasn't strayed much.

1163
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:22,720
Speaker 4: If you're betting money right now, we're recording this mid December.

1164
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 4: Who's starting quarterback for Ohio State in twenty twenty four?

1165
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 2: That is a good question. I mean it's easy answer

1166
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:34,479
Speaker 2: to say, Devin Brown, because doesn't the isn't the Peach

1167
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:37,800
Speaker 2: Bowl on January? No, maybe it's in December, because I

1168
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:43,359
Speaker 2: was gonna use the easy Yeah, look, I think they're

1169
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:47,400
Speaker 2: in December. I mean, I'm gonna throw this one out

1170
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 2: of there. And I got to see this kid in

1171
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 2: San Antonio last year he was committed to Washington, relatively

1172
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 2: unremarkable because he came from South Dakota. Ryan Grebb did

1173
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 2: a great job of identifying him, and then you just

1174
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 2: watch him climb up the ranks and there's a lot

1175
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 2: of positive buzz about Lincoln Kekingholts, who Ohio State flipped

1176
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 2: from Washington a year ago. When I saw him in

1177
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:08,960
Speaker 2: San Antonio the first few days of practice, it was

1178
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 2: a huge jump going from South Dakota talent to the

1179
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:13,719
Speaker 2: All American Game. But then in the game, even though

1180
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 2: his team got destroyed, he actually had some plays where

1181
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 2: you're like, Okay, now I see it. Now he's got

1182
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 2: that year development At Ohio State. He's sitting behind you know,

1183
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 2: Devin Brown and common Core, which means he's going up

1184
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:28,399
Speaker 2: against that elite defense in practice every day. He's going

1185
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 2: up against the Tommy Eikenberg's, the Lathan Ransoms, the Jack Sawyers,

1186
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:35,360
Speaker 2: the JT. Twe molo ows. That's going to prepare you

1187
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 2: better than you know, maybe playing against Central Michigan or

1188
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:41,239
Speaker 2: Akron on a Saturday. So I'm gonna go to throw

1189
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:43,279
Speaker 2: that one out there. I wouldn't be shocked if Lincoln

1190
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 2: Keenholts becomes the guy at Ohio State in time for

1191
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:47,400
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty four season.

1192
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:50,320
Speaker 4: Okay, we're gonna hold you to that, so we'll be

1193
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 4: back in touch at some point. Notre Dame's glass.

1194
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 2: That said, I do want to throw one caveat in there.

1195
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:58,840
Speaker 2: I had not heard a specific name. I have not

1196
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:02,319
Speaker 2: heard a name, but I have heard buzz that there

1197
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:06,279
Speaker 2: is still one more major name that's still to fall

1198
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:10,319
Speaker 2: in the transfer rumors. They're not doing it yet, they're

1199
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 2: waiting it out. But there's another name that's potentially going

1200
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:15,919
Speaker 2: in the portal that would be the ultimate big fish.

1201
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 2: I mean, we have Aiden Childs as a big fish.

1202
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 2: There's another name. I haven't heard the specific name, but

1203
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 2: we can cause rampant speculation. There was a quarterback who

1204
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 2: played at Ohio State, and when I say played, he

1205
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 2: was on the Ohio State roster for a year, who

1206
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 2: decided he's coming back for another year to run it

1207
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 2: back at a school in the city of Austin. Well,

1208
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 2: there's another quarterback there. Malik Murphy just left, but there's

1209
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 2: another quarterback there that is in Austin. Again, I haven't

1210
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 2: heard this name, but I'm just doing the speculation because

1211
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 2: you're educated. Guess is that what do we call the

1212
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 2: advanced recon. I'm not saying that this name is going

1213
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 2: to Ohio State, but when I hear there's another big

1214
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 2: fish to drop, and you start looking like, well, who

1215
00:57:56,040 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 2: could that be? I wonder if you know, I arched

1216
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 2: my back a little bit and looked a little bit, Closter,

1217
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 2: we might see an name.

1218
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 1: You're only a man.

1219
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 3: By the way, to echo what Ty was asking, what

1220
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 3: does Notre Dame's next coach have in the twenty twenty

1221
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 3: four class this year?

1222
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 2: I'm not sure what Luke, sorry, Ty, I had I

1223
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 2: know what Nicholl is going to do with those guys?

1224
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, Luke Fickles going Yeah at Notre Dame.

1225
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 2: You know, I actually like Notre Dame's class. I think

1226
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 2: it's what's been interesting is you know CJ. Carr has

1227
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 2: stuck with them. I mean when he committed a Notre Dame,

1228
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 2: Tommy Reese was the offensive coordinator. A year later, Gerard

1229
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 2: Parker is the offense coordinator. By the time he gets

1230
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 2: the camp is Gerard Parker is not even going to

1231
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 2: be there. There's going to be a new offense coordinator.

1232
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 2: Their receiver class from a year ago looked really good

1233
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 2: with with Rico Flores and some of the receivers that

1234
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 2: had come in. Well, Chancey Stucky gets fired and Cam

1235
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 2: Williams logan Saal Dottie, they're sticking with Notre Dame. So

1236
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:56,480
Speaker 2: I've been kind of impressed that Notre Dame hasn't lost

1237
00:58:56,880 --> 00:59:00,280
Speaker 2: despite some of the turnover they've had at coaching, they

1238
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 2: haven't lost anybody. So I think, you know, whether it's

1239
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 2: Marcus Freeman, Luke Fickle, or some other rando that ends

1240
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:08,440
Speaker 2: up becoming the head coach there, I think Notre Dame

1241
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 2: has done a really good job. Chad Bowden is the

1242
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 2: director of recruiting at Notre Dame. He's done a fantastic

1243
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 2: job and keeping this class together and doing well. And

1244
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 2: you know, you can't ignore Marcus Freeman's energy and when

1245
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 2: you see the way he recruits, and you know, I

1246
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:25,480
Speaker 2: got to imagine he kills it on the in home

1247
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 2: visit with mom. I mean they probably are just like, oh, yes,

1248
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 2: you're I'm studying my kid to you. And they've done

1249
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 2: a great job of recruiting. But even Notre Dame, you know,

1250
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 2: a school with his difficult academics as in a Granted

1251
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 2: they're getting their transfer from a wake Forest and from

1252
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:42,960
Speaker 2: a duke, but even Notre Dame realizes that they had

1253
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:44,920
Speaker 2: to evolve and they are going into the portal and

1254
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 2: grabbing players. They got Bo Collins, who was at cleansing

1255
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:49,440
Speaker 2: for the last couple of years, to come in. They

1256
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 2: understand that, you know, they need some quick fixes too,

1257
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 2: and especially with losing I think they've lost four receivers

1258
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 2: into the portal. You know, they're realize, Okay, well we

1259
00:59:57,680 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 2: got to get some talent now, and then we'll just

1260
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:01,720
Speaker 2: turn our attention into the twenty five class. We have

1261
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:03,480
Speaker 2: our new receivers coach, We're going to have a new

1262
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 2: offense coordinator. Let's dive deep into twenty twenty five and

1263
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:10,080
Speaker 2: let's maybe backfill some of those guys with portal guys. So, yes,

1264
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 2: whoever the new note Notre Dame head coach, if it's

1265
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 2: not Marcus Freeman, there'd be some talent there to work with.

1266
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 1: Great.

1267
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 3: You can ask an Oregon recruiting question in the snarkiest

1268
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:19,120
Speaker 3: way possible.

1269
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 1: That's fair? Is fair?

1270
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 4: No, Look, I just I wanted to circle back on

1271
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:25,480
Speaker 4: something I said earlier. I mentioned that Kyllan Roola was

1272
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 4: the top rated quarterback. He is not by five ten

1273
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 4: thousandths of a point, Brandon. He is second on your

1274
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 4: twenty four to seven official rankings, behind Julian Sayan, who

1275
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:40,360
Speaker 4: is committed to Alabama. Why the five ten thousandths of

1276
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 4: a point difference? What does that entail in practical terms?

1277
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:47,480
Speaker 2: So a lot of that is because of the composite,

1278
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:49,640
Speaker 2: and so we take kind of the average as the

1279
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 2: composite does, or it takes the big four recruiting sites

1280
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:55,560
Speaker 2: and it kind of averages out to like, Okay, you

1281
01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:58,960
Speaker 2: know this site has him as ninety first overall. This

1282
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:01,920
Speaker 2: one has him aninety second overall. You know, Julian san

1283
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:05,520
Speaker 2: is higher on some other sites. We have Dylan Royola

1284
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:09,360
Speaker 2: higher than most sites in our own specific ranking. You know,

1285
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:13,120
Speaker 2: we've got Rayola just ahead of Julian say But that's

1286
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:16,240
Speaker 2: how close this recruitment. I'm sorry, that's how close this

1287
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:18,520
Speaker 2: ranking was. And it kind of reminds me a few

1288
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:21,800
Speaker 2: years ago of when you had Trevor Lawrence and justin

1289
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:24,840
Speaker 2: fields like depending on where it was, both those guys

1290
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 2: were clearly the top two quarterbacks in that class, and

1291
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:30,480
Speaker 2: it was just a matter of one site, like one

1292
01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 2: more than the other, and they were, you know, that

1293
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 2: close to each other in the final composite rankings. Last

1294
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 2: year was fascinating because you really had four guys that

1295
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:41,800
Speaker 2: were kind of in that discussion with nucle Yami, Lava

1296
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 2: arch Manning, Daunte Moore and Malachai Nelson. But this year,

1297
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 2: it's like saying in Rayola have so established themselves as

1298
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 2: the top two that you know, with the All American

1299
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:55,840
Speaker 2: Games coming up, Julian Sanin's playing in the under Armor Game.

1300
01:01:56,200 --> 01:01:58,120
Speaker 2: Delan RelA was playing in the All American Bowl, but

1301
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:00,320
Speaker 2: he's now just going to do the Polynesian Bowl, much

1302
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:04,200
Speaker 2: like Nicola Ababa did last year. So the final final

1303
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:07,600
Speaker 2: ranking and you know what ultimately could determine those five

1304
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:10,560
Speaker 2: thousands of the point will happen in three weeks after

1305
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 2: the All Star Games. But those two have gone back

1306
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:15,800
Speaker 2: and forth. I'm a big Rayola guy, but I love

1307
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:18,800
Speaker 2: Julian Sayan, and I think Julian Sayan's senior year and

1308
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:21,600
Speaker 2: just given what he's done, I mean, I don't even

1309
01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:23,120
Speaker 2: want to say it's one in one a. I mean

1310
01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:26,200
Speaker 2: it is one in one point one, Like that's how

1311
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:29,600
Speaker 2: close they are. And you could see by how close

1312
01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:31,880
Speaker 2: they are in that composite ranking that the industry's kind

1313
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:33,920
Speaker 2: of split on who the number one is and who

1314
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:36,360
Speaker 2: the number two is, and that debate won't get settled

1315
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:39,520
Speaker 2: from a ranking standpoint, probably until the middle of January ty.

1316
01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:42,200
Speaker 3: The difference is California vibes. By the way, that's what

1317
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 3: the five ten thousands of a point. The California vibes brah.

1318
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:48,680
Speaker 2: And not just that San Diego vibes, those are worth

1319
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:49,320
Speaker 2: extra points.

1320
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:53,200
Speaker 3: My emotion of the past month has been pretty low

1321
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:56,480
Speaker 3: watching Oregon lose not once but twice to Washington. In

1322
01:02:56,600 --> 01:02:59,439
Speaker 3: large part, I would say because of Washington star power.

1323
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:01,400
Speaker 3: You look at Rome with Duonesay, you look at Michael Pennox,

1324
01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:05,040
Speaker 3: Dylan Johnson in the PAC twelve championship game. Oregon is

1325
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:07,920
Speaker 3: a team that seems like it is recruiting on a

1326
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 3: very high level, looking for their stars. They close very

1327
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:14,720
Speaker 3: strong last year with Matteo Uyungla La and briefly Peyton

1328
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:18,360
Speaker 3: Bowen before he pinballs between Notre Dame Oregon and Oklahoma.

1329
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 3: Where is the star power in this year's Oregon class

1330
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:24,840
Speaker 3: If they are going to make that move to once

1331
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:28,560
Speaker 3: again get over on Washington and hopefully thrive if you're

1332
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 3: an Oregon fan in the Big Ten.

1333
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:33,400
Speaker 2: They have done such a great job in the front

1334
01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:36,040
Speaker 2: seven in this class, and they may not be done.

1335
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:40,160
Speaker 2: I mentioned Breelan, I mentioned Elijah Rushing, but they're still

1336
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:42,160
Speaker 2: heavily in the mix for Jericho Johnson. I would say

1337
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:44,760
Speaker 2: they're probably leading for Jericho Johnson. He'll announce on Thursday.

1338
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:48,000
Speaker 2: When you know, when you're in a region like Oregon

1339
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:50,440
Speaker 2: is where there's just and this is nothing as the

1340
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:52,840
Speaker 2: state of Oregon town. This is the entire West. I mean,

1341
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:55,040
Speaker 2: the West is not what you would consider a hot

1342
01:03:55,120 --> 01:03:59,200
Speaker 2: spot for defensive linemen. So when there are elite defensive linemen,

1343
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:01,919
Speaker 2: you want to get them. Organ's on track to land

1344
01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:04,600
Speaker 2: three of them, the top two d tackles in the region,

1345
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:07,360
Speaker 2: the top edge rusher in the region. So their star

1346
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:09,440
Speaker 2: power is right already up there with Aiden Brielyn, and

1347
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:13,120
Speaker 2: it's with you know, Elijah Rushing, Brayden Platt, who is

1348
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:15,280
Speaker 2: the top player in the state of Washington, an elite

1349
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:18,680
Speaker 2: middle linebacker, top five middle linebacker, and they could close

1350
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:20,600
Speaker 2: with Jericho Johnson. Then he flip it over the offensive

1351
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:22,560
Speaker 2: side of the ball. You know that they've already got

1352
01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:24,960
Speaker 2: commitments from some good offensive line and lc JA coll

1353
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:27,520
Speaker 2: mccoyor they're trying to hold on too. They aren't completely

1354
01:04:27,600 --> 01:04:29,640
Speaker 2: out of it for Jordan's Seaton yet. I mean, I

1355
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 2: know he committed to Colorado. I know schools are still

1356
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:34,320
Speaker 2: trying with him. So there if there is going to

1357
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:36,680
Speaker 2: be some late drama, it could end up being with

1358
01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:39,440
Speaker 2: a guy like a Jordan Seaton, But then I think

1359
01:04:39,560 --> 01:04:43,000
Speaker 2: a guy that it's kind of a sneaky good pickup.

1360
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:45,840
Speaker 2: And again we mentioned how you know the fcs and

1361
01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:47,880
Speaker 2: group of fives of the new Juco. There are still

1362
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:50,440
Speaker 2: some really good juco players out there, so what do

1363
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:52,240
Speaker 2: they do. They got the number two JUCO player in

1364
01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:54,680
Speaker 2: the country in the twenty twenty four Classy la Lea

1365
01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:57,960
Speaker 2: out of the College of sam Mateo, same school that

1366
01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:01,760
Speaker 2: Makai Blackman plays before he went on to Colorado and

1367
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:05,360
Speaker 2: then USC. It's been a program that's done really well

1368
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:09,800
Speaker 2: sending players to Oregon. Historically. I believe George Moore was

1369
01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:12,160
Speaker 2: played it at College of San Mateo and you know

1370
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:15,560
Speaker 2: guys that were incident packed Evan Williams or Bennett whatever

1371
01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:17,800
Speaker 2: one of the Williams brother didn't transfer from President State

1372
01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:21,240
Speaker 2: played at Seas Samwell Benett. Yeah, when you're going up

1373
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:23,320
Speaker 2: against some of the receivers that Organ's going to be

1374
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:25,120
Speaker 2: going against in the Pac twelve and then I'm sorry,

1375
01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:26,360
Speaker 2: in the Big ten the next couple of years that

1376
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 2: are at Washington, at USC at Ohio State, you can

1377
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:31,640
Speaker 2: go get a six foot three corner Laca Sioni la Lea.

1378
01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:34,000
Speaker 2: You know, that's one of those sneaky good pickups that

1379
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:36,160
Speaker 2: maybe doesn't get is talked about because he is a

1380
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:37,880
Speaker 2: Juco guy. So we're not seeing him at a bunch

1381
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:39,400
Speaker 2: of camps. We're not seeing him a bunch of events.

1382
01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:41,920
Speaker 2: But if Oregon, you know, can close the deal with

1383
01:05:42,040 --> 01:05:44,840
Speaker 2: Jericho Johnson, if they can, you know, flip Jordan's seaton

1384
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:47,200
Speaker 2: and then the big fish. The highest rated player that's

1385
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:51,120
Speaker 2: uncommitted anywhere right now is Gatlin Bear, the number thirty

1386
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:53,760
Speaker 2: five overall player in the country out of Burley, Idaho.

1387
01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:56,680
Speaker 2: You know, he was committed to Boise State, and interesting enough,

1388
01:05:56,880 --> 01:05:59,320
Speaker 2: he was in Eugene for the USC game the weekend

1389
01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:02,360
Speaker 2: that Andy Apple Scott fired, was in the office with

1390
01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:05,640
Speaker 2: the Oregon coaches. When Avolos got fired. Boisese Date got

1391
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:08,360
Speaker 2: lost him, he decommitted. It's down to Oregon in Michigan.

1392
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:10,760
Speaker 2: He's an elite track guy. He's a ten to one

1393
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:12,800
Speaker 2: hundred meter guy, but he's not planning to do track

1394
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:14,520
Speaker 2: in high school. And then the other caveat with him

1395
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:16,360
Speaker 2: is he won't even show up on a campus until

1396
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:18,480
Speaker 2: twenty twenty six because he's leaving to take his LDS

1397
01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:21,880
Speaker 2: mission starting in February. But he'll sign in twenty twenty four.

1398
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:24,320
Speaker 2: So if they can close with Johnson with Bear, they

1399
01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:27,040
Speaker 2: can flip Seaton and you know, maybe there's that other

1400
01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:31,200
Speaker 2: last minute surprise that ignites the victory cigar Oregon kind

1401
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:34,240
Speaker 2: of establishes them solved again as the premier recruiting program

1402
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:36,920
Speaker 2: out west. But that's got to translate onto the field

1403
01:06:37,240 --> 01:06:39,680
Speaker 2: in beating the ur tribal who have gotten over on him.

1404
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:41,200
Speaker 2: Like you said those last three times.

1405
01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:43,600
Speaker 1: On this show, we do good answer.

1406
01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:47,320
Speaker 3: By the way, on this show, we do dood alerts

1407
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:49,760
Speaker 3: over the course of the season, just guys who have

1408
01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:53,760
Speaker 3: performed exceedingly well any given Saturday. If you had to

1409
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:55,880
Speaker 3: wager your own money, and I'm begging you not to,

1410
01:06:56,560 --> 01:06:58,560
Speaker 3: when you look at the class of twenty twenty four,

1411
01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:00,600
Speaker 3: who do you keep coming back to?

1412
01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:01,640
Speaker 4: Who is who?

1413
01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:03,960
Speaker 3: Are the I guess three magnets to you where you're

1414
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:05,960
Speaker 3: just like, this is this guy is obviously going to

1415
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:08,640
Speaker 3: be at least an all conference performer. There's no universe

1416
01:07:08,680 --> 01:07:10,960
Speaker 3: in which this guy is healthy that he's not thriving

1417
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:13,080
Speaker 3: as a college football player anywhere in the country.

1418
01:07:13,640 --> 01:07:15,240
Speaker 2: So I'm going to pat myself on the back and

1419
01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:18,000
Speaker 2: go back a few years ago where we were still

1420
01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:21,040
Speaker 2: doing my five Stars at twenty first seven and only

1421
01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:23,280
Speaker 2: one man was brave enough and bold enough, and you know,

1422
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:25,440
Speaker 2: people might say, well, he didn't do much in college football,

1423
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:27,200
Speaker 2: but he went number one overall, and I said Trayvon

1424
01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:29,640
Speaker 2: Walker was going to be He was my number one

1425
01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:32,080
Speaker 2: player in my personal five Stars ended up being the

1426
01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:33,680
Speaker 2: number one pick. So I had three years in a

1427
01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:36,240
Speaker 2: row where I had Trevor Lawrence, Treyvon Walker, Bryce Young

1428
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:38,240
Speaker 2: is my number one guy. All three went number one,

1429
01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:41,760
Speaker 2: all right, So Trayvon Walker wasn't a huge I mean,

1430
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:44,280
Speaker 2: he was a top ten player last year. My guy

1431
01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:46,240
Speaker 2: was Caleb Downs. That was the one guy that after

1432
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:48,880
Speaker 2: watching him in santaturnament, this kid is going to be

1433
01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:51,560
Speaker 2: a star. And knowing how hard is the start as

1434
01:07:51,560 --> 01:07:53,800
Speaker 2: a true freshman in the secondary which is Nick Sabans Baby,

1435
01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:56,480
Speaker 2: that was even more impressive. So if I'm going to

1436
01:07:56,520 --> 01:07:58,080
Speaker 2: go back to a guy this year that I think

1437
01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:01,120
Speaker 2: is going to be just a special player from the

1438
01:08:01,160 --> 01:08:03,840
Speaker 2: second he steps foot on campus, it's Ellis Robinson and

1439
01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:06,000
Speaker 2: seeing him he's the number one corner in the country,

1440
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:08,720
Speaker 2: the number three ye overall player. Seeing him this summer

1441
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:10,720
Speaker 2: on the seven on seventh Circuit, I mean, he is

1442
01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:13,600
Speaker 2: what you design a corner to look like. He is

1443
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:16,840
Speaker 2: my favorite defensive back and probably the last three or

1444
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:20,600
Speaker 2: four years, or specifically a corner I loved Downs. I

1445
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:23,920
Speaker 2: like Elis Robinson ever so slightly more. He's a guy,

1446
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:28,080
Speaker 2: but I'm a big man. I'm a guy that if

1447
01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:31,519
Speaker 2: I'm drafting a team, I'm drafted us. He was a

1448
01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:34,200
Speaker 2: lot you're looking thank you. You know. I'm trying to

1449
01:08:34,240 --> 01:08:36,360
Speaker 2: get that fifth year of eligibility as an inside linebacker

1450
01:08:36,400 --> 01:08:39,479
Speaker 2: instead of as a nose. I would almost always say

1451
01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:42,120
Speaker 2: I want a big man. I want a lineman or

1452
01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:44,120
Speaker 2: a tackle. But I will tell you this right now,

1453
01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:47,840
Speaker 2: Jeremiah Smith is the best receiver that I have seen

1454
01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:53,240
Speaker 2: in person, on film, on tape, on everything that I've seen.

1455
01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:56,840
Speaker 2: The last receiver that I that I saw that, I

1456
01:08:57,040 --> 01:09:01,599
Speaker 2: watched him and go, this guy is special. Was probably

1457
01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:03,479
Speaker 2: the two thousand and eight class, the very first year

1458
01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:04,920
Speaker 2: of the under Armor game, where I had to cover

1459
01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:06,840
Speaker 2: the under Armor game and the practices at under Armer

1460
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:09,839
Speaker 2: were right next to each other, and I was whipping

1461
01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:12,680
Speaker 2: my head around watching Julio Jones and AJ Green and

1462
01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:14,920
Speaker 2: it was a matter of until Julio got hurt later

1463
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:16,840
Speaker 2: in the week, a matter of anything you can do,

1464
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:20,040
Speaker 2: I can do better. Watch this. We're going fifteen sixteen

1465
01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:23,200
Speaker 2: years back, and there's been obviously some phenomenal receivers in

1466
01:09:23,320 --> 01:09:26,640
Speaker 2: that time, There's no doubt about it. But it's not

1467
01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:28,719
Speaker 2: often that the number one overall player in a recruiting

1468
01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:31,479
Speaker 2: class is a wide receiver. That's how elite and how

1469
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:35,960
Speaker 2: special Jeremiah Smith is and what Brian Hartline has done

1470
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:38,519
Speaker 2: at the receiver position recruiting wise since he's been there

1471
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:41,360
Speaker 2: has been nothing short of remarkable. You know, you come

1472
01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:44,280
Speaker 2: in the first year there and you know you get

1473
01:09:45,280 --> 01:09:48,960
Speaker 2: you inherit Garrett Wilson, you have Chris o Lobby, but

1474
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:50,680
Speaker 2: then you go in you get a Julian Fleming and

1475
01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:52,880
Speaker 2: you get it at Mecca Agbuka. Then you get a

1476
01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:55,040
Speaker 2: Carnel Tait and a Brandon Ennis, and you get a

1477
01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:57,840
Speaker 2: Jackson Smith and the Jigba and those were all five star,

1478
01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:00,559
Speaker 2: elite special players, and they're all to take a back

1479
01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:02,800
Speaker 2: seat to Jeremiah Smith if he ends up signing there

1480
01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:05,400
Speaker 2: on Wednesday, because this is the best high school receiver

1481
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:09,000
Speaker 2: I've seen in a decade plus. This guy is a

1482
01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:12,040
Speaker 2: flat out oh I didn't even mention Marvin Harrison because

1483
01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:14,679
Speaker 2: he wasn't a five star. He was a high four star,

1484
01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:18,360
Speaker 2: and obviously he's very good. But Jeremiah Smith is kind

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01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:22,200
Speaker 2: of like a composite of every best attribute all of

1486
01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:24,519
Speaker 2: the Ohio State receivers have been the last five years,

1487
01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:27,439
Speaker 2: all in one player. I know that sounds hyperbolic and

1488
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:30,479
Speaker 2: maybe a little bit exaggerated, it's not. That's how special

1489
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:34,760
Speaker 2: a player he is. And he is my major doodle alert.

1490
01:10:34,840 --> 01:10:37,400
Speaker 2: I mean, cue the music, because that guy deserves it.

1491
01:10:37,880 --> 01:10:40,479
Speaker 3: So he's just it's the fluidity, it's hands, its speed,

1492
01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:43,280
Speaker 3: it's in and out of breaks. It's like just a

1493
01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:47,200
Speaker 3: finished product with size, like checks every box.

1494
01:10:47,400 --> 01:10:49,400
Speaker 2: And he does it quietly like he's not the guy

1495
01:10:49,479 --> 01:10:51,439
Speaker 2: that's going to go out there. There is no Ocho

1496
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:53,160
Speaker 2: Cinco in him. He's not the guy that's going to

1497
01:10:53,240 --> 01:10:55,439
Speaker 2: go out and tell you he's going to beat you.

1498
01:10:55,560 --> 01:10:56,920
Speaker 2: He is going to beat you. And then after the

1499
01:10:56,960 --> 01:10:59,160
Speaker 2: game said yeah, that's what I did to you. I

1500
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:01,679
Speaker 2: remember see him in Evan on seven. Guys were talking

1501
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:03,960
Speaker 2: trash jam. He didn't say anything and then just went

1502
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:08,040
Speaker 2: out there with like seeing red and just obliterated this corner.

1503
01:11:08,120 --> 01:11:10,240
Speaker 2: It was like, I'm gonna get off press, I'm gonna

1504
01:11:10,280 --> 01:11:11,840
Speaker 2: chuck you, and then I'm gonna go run a forty

1505
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:14,000
Speaker 2: yard pattern and I'm gonna catch a touchdown. And then

1506
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:15,680
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna celebrate. I'm not gonna go jump in

1507
01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:17,479
Speaker 2: the phone pit. I'm just gonna look right at you

1508
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:19,240
Speaker 2: and say, yeah, you thought you could cover me. And

1509
01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:23,920
Speaker 2: it's the complete package of speed, power, strength, hands. I mean,

1510
01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:27,599
Speaker 2: I wouldn't even say he's raw. He's so technically sound,

1511
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:31,519
Speaker 2: so technically advanced as a player, but then he's got

1512
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:33,800
Speaker 2: all the physical tools on top of You have some

1513
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:36,160
Speaker 2: guys that they are just they're very smart, they're very

1514
01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:38,360
Speaker 2: cracky at the position. They kind of have you know,

1515
01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:41,439
Speaker 2: those X factors, but they may not have that elite

1516
01:11:41,479 --> 01:11:43,120
Speaker 2: physical trade. Or you have the guys that have the

1517
01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:46,519
Speaker 2: elite physical traits, but they're not necessarily great route runners.

1518
01:11:46,600 --> 01:11:49,640
Speaker 2: They aren't the most consistent pass catchers. Jeremiah Smith is

1519
01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:52,640
Speaker 2: kind of everything all rolled into one. Like if he

1520
01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:56,799
Speaker 2: is in the Superstar in college, I will be absolutely stunned. Wow.

1521
01:11:57,120 --> 01:12:00,479
Speaker 4: Ringing endorsement from our good friend Brandon Huffman twenty four

1522
01:12:00,479 --> 01:12:04,960
Speaker 4: to seven Sports. Brandon, what are you up to over

1523
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:07,240
Speaker 4: the next twenty four hours? What is the next week

1524
01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:09,519
Speaker 4: looking like for you? And where can people find your work?

1525
01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:12,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can tune in. We're going to be online

1526
01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:15,280
Speaker 2: all day on Wednesday on a twenty four seven Sports

1527
01:12:15,320 --> 01:12:18,679
Speaker 2: YouTube channel from ten am Eastern Time until five pm.

1528
01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:21,080
Speaker 2: There's going to be you know, two years ago, we

1529
01:12:21,160 --> 01:12:23,360
Speaker 2: had the Travis Hunter news that that shocked the world.

1530
01:12:23,479 --> 01:12:25,880
Speaker 2: Jeremiah Smith I just talked about him. Those schools are

1531
01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:27,800
Speaker 2: not stopping Florida State and Miami aren't stopping try and

1532
01:12:27,880 --> 01:12:29,720
Speaker 2: Dale Rayelo was lolord of the big Fish. But you

1533
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:31,559
Speaker 2: know we're tracking. Are there going to be some late

1534
01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:34,560
Speaker 2: flips Jeremiah Smith, kJ Bolden? Are those going to be it?

1535
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:36,559
Speaker 2: But we're going to be covering all that on Wednesday

1536
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:39,720
Speaker 2: for seven hours and then we're tracking where are these

1537
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:42,599
Speaker 2: portal guys going. We're you know, because of the calendar

1538
01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:45,080
Speaker 2: with schools starting at most of these schools the first

1539
01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:47,479
Speaker 2: week in January, there's a lot of portal guys coming

1540
01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:50,240
Speaker 2: off the board so they can get enrolled, get themselves admitted,

1541
01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:53,200
Speaker 2: and move to campus that first week in January to

1542
01:12:53,320 --> 01:12:56,200
Speaker 2: get started. So we'll be tracking the portal just as

1543
01:12:56,240 --> 01:12:59,479
Speaker 2: heavily as we will be tracking recruiting. There's four players

1544
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:01,920
Speaker 2: in the top one hundred that are uncommitted on the

1545
01:13:02,040 --> 01:13:04,840
Speaker 2: day before. That's unheard of. There were days where the

1546
01:13:05,000 --> 01:13:07,640
Speaker 2: top five players four of them were uncommitted, so the

1547
01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:09,960
Speaker 2: intrigue might not be there in terms of who's going

1548
01:13:10,040 --> 01:13:12,559
Speaker 2: to commit to a school. It might be more who's

1549
01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:14,360
Speaker 2: going to flip from the school. So we're tracking that,

1550
01:13:14,439 --> 01:13:16,400
Speaker 2: we're tracking the portal. You could find it all on

1551
01:13:16,439 --> 01:13:18,080
Speaker 2: this one four seven Sports you two channel. You can

1552
01:13:18,120 --> 01:13:21,160
Speaker 2: follow me at Brandon Huffman and I'll be providing up

1553
01:13:21,240 --> 01:13:25,080
Speaker 2: to the minute kickers transferring from one Pac twelve school

1554
01:13:25,160 --> 01:13:27,560
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, a ACC school to another Pack twelve I

1555
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:29,920
Speaker 2: mean Big ten school, because that's what the people want.

1556
01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:31,880
Speaker 2: They want to know where these kickers are going, don't

1557
01:13:31,880 --> 01:13:32,439
Speaker 2: they it's true.

1558
01:13:32,439 --> 01:13:33,200
Speaker 1: It's a little true.

1559
01:13:33,439 --> 01:13:35,639
Speaker 4: Brandon Huffman, thank you as always for your time. Enjoy

1560
01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:36,360
Speaker 4: the rest of your week.

1561
01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:37,519
Speaker 2: Thanks fellas.

1562
01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:41,720
Speaker 1: All right, Dan, there you go. Brandon Hoffman, twenty four

1563
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:42,759
Speaker 1: seven Sports.

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Speaker 4: I think it will be a great career track for him,

1565
01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:48,559
Speaker 4: not that he asked a great career track for him

1566
01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:52,880
Speaker 4: to become one of those gms of whatever program makes

1567
01:13:52,920 --> 01:13:53,439
Speaker 4: sense to him.

1568
01:13:53,960 --> 01:13:54,640
Speaker 1: Yeah why not?

1569
01:13:56,120 --> 01:13:58,880
Speaker 3: So he said no math, so that eliminates you can

1570
01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:02,680
Speaker 3: hire a maths guy. I think what you get from

1571
01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:09,560
Speaker 3: Brandon is essentially you get a top flight Bloodhounds, and

1572
01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:11,920
Speaker 3: I mean that the best possible way where you're like,

1573
01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:14,040
Speaker 3: I don't know, something seems off with this kid, or

1574
01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:17,920
Speaker 3: like ooh, this guy's definitely a winner. He's just a winner,

1575
01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:21,120
Speaker 3: and like you get that sort of you know, like

1576
01:14:21,200 --> 01:14:24,320
Speaker 3: the different kinds of evaluators and business where there's just

1577
01:14:24,439 --> 01:14:29,240
Speaker 3: like the sixth sense. I think Brandon has that genesi

1578
01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:31,240
Speaker 3: qua tie where he's just going to be able to

1579
01:14:31,320 --> 01:14:34,440
Speaker 3: go in there and tap into something given his experience.

1580
01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:37,439
Speaker 3: Get the golden parachute, go take Georgia money, Alabama money,

1581
01:14:37,439 --> 01:14:40,160
Speaker 3: Ohio state money, and you just get him in a

1582
01:14:40,240 --> 01:14:42,800
Speaker 3: room with a bunch of recruits like, no, not him.

1583
01:14:43,320 --> 01:14:44,760
Speaker 1: I think that's the move. I think you're right, Ty,

1584
01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:46,040
Speaker 1: I think that's the move.

1585
01:14:46,080 --> 01:14:48,120
Speaker 4: Look, make sure you go on out and follow Brandon

1586
01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:52,280
Speaker 4: on whatever your app of choices. Brandon and the team

1587
01:14:52,320 --> 01:14:53,960
Speaker 4: over at twenty four to seven do a great job

1588
01:14:54,280 --> 01:14:58,040
Speaker 4: keeping track of all things transfer Portal High school recruiting.

1589
01:14:58,120 --> 01:15:00,160
Speaker 4: You and I Dan will be refreshing that website a

1590
01:15:00,200 --> 01:15:03,120
Speaker 4: thousand times on Wednesday, so we appreciate has always Brandon

1591
01:15:03,160 --> 01:15:05,320
Speaker 4: given us so much of his time again in the

1592
01:15:05,439 --> 01:15:07,680
Speaker 4: midst of his busy season. It's kind of wild that

1593
01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:09,519
Speaker 4: we've I don't I feel like we've done this for

1594
01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:11,920
Speaker 4: the last ten years now with him. It's just wild

1595
01:15:11,960 --> 01:15:14,599
Speaker 4: to me that keeps coming back, keeps finding the time

1596
01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:17,000
Speaker 4: for us, in for baller hood, and hopefully we're all

1597
01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:17,920
Speaker 4: a little bit smarter for it.

1598
01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:21,000
Speaker 3: Can I ask you a question please, because your name

1599
01:15:21,080 --> 01:15:23,160
Speaker 3: is on the show, it is where are you right now?

1600
01:15:23,479 --> 01:15:28,080
Speaker 3: With college football fandom as it relates to portal recruiting

1601
01:15:28,479 --> 01:15:33,240
Speaker 3: signing Day, the social media back and forth of like oh,

1602
01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:35,680
Speaker 3: this Portal guy is visiting this school, or like, oh,

1603
01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:40,599
Speaker 3: this is a flip candidate, Like I think the conversation

1604
01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:42,439
Speaker 3: we had is accurate where it's just like it just

1605
01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:45,280
Speaker 3: feels very different right now. But where are you personally

1606
01:15:45,400 --> 01:15:48,080
Speaker 3: with Notre Dame, Penn State and national college football and

1607
01:15:48,200 --> 01:15:49,599
Speaker 3: how you follow it this time of year?

1608
01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:51,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not a Notre Dame or a Penn State thing.

1609
01:15:52,160 --> 01:15:55,880
Speaker 4: I am completely transfixed by the transfer portal. Okay, it

1610
01:15:55,960 --> 01:15:58,360
Speaker 4: has captured my imagination. What can I say? I am

1611
01:15:58,479 --> 01:16:00,880
Speaker 4: I am but a simple college football fan like the

1612
01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:05,920
Speaker 4: rest of you. And to Brandon's point, the names you

1613
01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:08,479
Speaker 4: know mean a lot more than the names that you don't.

1614
01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:10,800
Speaker 4: Jeremiah Smith could be the next Jerry Rice for all

1615
01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:13,120
Speaker 4: I know sure, and from the sounds of it, he

1616
01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:16,320
Speaker 4: might well be on his way to doing that. But

1617
01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:18,240
Speaker 4: I care a lot more about Kyle McCord. I know

1618
01:16:18,360 --> 01:16:21,240
Speaker 4: Kyle McCord or Julian Fleming. I know Julian Fleming or

1619
01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:24,519
Speaker 4: Riley Leonard or you know any of these names that

1620
01:16:24,520 --> 01:16:26,760
Speaker 4: we've discussed over the last couple of weeks. That that,

1621
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:28,760
Speaker 4: to me is a lot more meaningful because I've seen

1622
01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:31,280
Speaker 4: those guys. I know what those guys did at their

1623
01:16:31,320 --> 01:16:35,600
Speaker 4: previous teams, and the I guess possibilities of going to

1624
01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:40,160
Speaker 4: a new situation unlocking a new level of achievement for

1625
01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:43,640
Speaker 4: whatever player. That That to me is very interesting. So

1626
01:16:44,200 --> 01:16:47,600
Speaker 4: obviously these names are of particular importance. If you're a

1627
01:16:47,640 --> 01:16:49,640
Speaker 4: Nebraska fan, I think you probably care a lot more

1628
01:16:49,680 --> 01:16:53,040
Speaker 4: about Dylan Royola than you do you know, the latest

1629
01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:57,240
Speaker 4: and greatest transfer. Right from my standpoint, just from our standpoint,

1630
01:16:57,280 --> 01:17:00,479
Speaker 4: I think it's we see the numbers, we get tweets,

1631
01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:03,080
Speaker 4: we read the emails, that type of thing. There definitely

1632
01:17:03,160 --> 01:17:05,040
Speaker 4: seems to be a lot more juice in the transfer

1633
01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:07,639
Speaker 4: portal from the perspective of the common fan.

1634
01:17:08,760 --> 01:17:11,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, And it almost is seen, especially at

1635
01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:12,519
Speaker 3: a lot of the top schools like yeah, of course

1636
01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:14,720
Speaker 3: we're gonna have a top ten class, Like that's the

1637
01:17:15,040 --> 01:17:18,400
Speaker 3: minimum if you're a Texas fan, if you're an Alabama fan,

1638
01:17:18,479 --> 01:17:22,280
Speaker 3: of Georgia fan Ohio State whoever, Whereas the portal almost

1639
01:17:22,360 --> 01:17:26,080
Speaker 3: seems like more of a referendum on where your program

1640
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:29,599
Speaker 3: is in the hierarchy of the program, Like why would

1641
01:17:29,680 --> 01:17:33,160
Speaker 3: this clearly good defensive back? Why would this like clearly

1642
01:17:33,200 --> 01:17:36,840
Speaker 3: good South Carolina or Miszoo or Minnesota? Why would this

1643
01:17:37,320 --> 01:17:40,600
Speaker 3: like clear high level power five corner who has the

1644
01:17:40,720 --> 01:17:43,920
Speaker 3: choice of anywhere he wants to go. Why would he

1645
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:47,120
Speaker 3: choose your school over my school? That doesn't make any sense.

1646
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:50,960
Speaker 3: Can't he see who we've developed? Doesn't he want to win?

1647
01:17:51,040 --> 01:17:53,200
Speaker 3: Does he want to play in the playoff? That to

1648
01:17:53,320 --> 01:17:56,400
Speaker 3: me seems like it's become the new battleground. Also because

1649
01:17:56,439 --> 01:18:00,799
Speaker 3: of the scarcity of clear top flight in the portal,

1650
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:04,080
Speaker 3: there's like a couple doesn't right. There's a lot of guys,

1651
01:18:04,520 --> 01:18:06,360
Speaker 3: there's a lot of hope, there's a lot of hopium

1652
01:18:06,439 --> 01:18:10,600
Speaker 3: being injected throughout this great college football land, But it

1653
01:18:10,760 --> 01:18:15,000
Speaker 3: seems like the scarcity of clearly proven guys who can

1654
01:18:15,120 --> 01:18:19,120
Speaker 3: operate at a high level, it becomes such a referendum

1655
01:18:19,560 --> 01:18:23,200
Speaker 3: on program health that it seems like that's where the

1656
01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:27,360
Speaker 3: battles are right now, like the true battles, because recruiting

1657
01:18:27,439 --> 01:18:29,720
Speaker 3: happens over the course of years and years. All these

1658
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:31,360
Speaker 3: guys are just they want to get it over with

1659
01:18:31,479 --> 01:18:33,880
Speaker 3: at this point where there's something new and fresh about

1660
01:18:33,880 --> 01:18:36,320
Speaker 3: the portal and the battles there, I.

1661
01:18:36,360 --> 01:18:40,719
Speaker 4: Think that's all right, yeah right in solvable at gmail

1662
01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:42,800
Speaker 4: dot com let us know your thoughts on the matter.

1663
01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:46,680
Speaker 4: But just judging from the amount of feedback that I

1664
01:18:46,720 --> 01:18:48,400
Speaker 4: got when I put out the call on social media

1665
01:18:48,600 --> 01:18:51,840
Speaker 4: for questions for this episode. Everybody's got the same question,

1666
01:18:52,160 --> 01:18:54,120
Speaker 4: and I think everybody's feeling it too, even if they

1667
01:18:54,120 --> 01:18:56,160
Speaker 4: didn't come out and say it that it's it is

1668
01:18:56,320 --> 01:19:00,479
Speaker 4: just different now in a way that we could not

1669
01:19:00,600 --> 01:19:03,519
Speaker 4: have foreseen. You know, when the portal became more of

1670
01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:07,360
Speaker 4: a commonality in college football, right, I think we were

1671
01:19:07,439 --> 01:19:10,080
Speaker 4: asking ourselves is it always going to be this way?

1672
01:19:10,240 --> 01:19:14,080
Speaker 4: Because this was on the heels of COVID NIL starting

1673
01:19:14,200 --> 01:19:17,120
Speaker 4: up becoming more of a thing. I don't know if

1674
01:19:17,200 --> 01:19:19,960
Speaker 4: we could really project forward that it would still be

1675
01:19:20,160 --> 01:19:22,680
Speaker 4: as hot as it is a couple of years now

1676
01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:25,160
Speaker 4: down the road. And I don't think it's going to

1677
01:19:25,200 --> 01:19:28,040
Speaker 4: go away anytime soon. I think, if anything, it's going

1678
01:19:28,120 --> 01:19:31,680
Speaker 4: to only intensify. And to Brandon's point to some of

1679
01:19:31,720 --> 01:19:33,639
Speaker 4: the ones that we've already made here on the shows,

1680
01:19:33,880 --> 01:19:36,960
Speaker 4: it is definitely going to alter the way that coaches

1681
01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:40,639
Speaker 4: strategize and look at their big boards when it comes

1682
01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:44,000
Speaker 4: to recruiting. It's really just kind of integrated into one

1683
01:19:44,040 --> 01:19:47,160
Speaker 4: big thing that if you're smart, if you're Florida State,

1684
01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:50,439
Speaker 4: as Brandon said, who has balanced it, well, you can

1685
01:19:50,560 --> 01:19:51,760
Speaker 4: use both your advantage.

1686
01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:55,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think all that's right, and it's probably for

1687
01:19:55,920 --> 01:19:58,920
Speaker 3: the best if there's any sort of unintended consequence or

1688
01:19:58,960 --> 01:20:02,519
Speaker 3: maybe intended conso sequence to the portal taking some of

1689
01:20:02,600 --> 01:20:06,640
Speaker 3: the signing day shine off, it's that it's probably for

1690
01:20:06,760 --> 01:20:10,280
Speaker 3: the best that we don't have the brightest possible spotlight

1691
01:20:10,360 --> 01:20:12,800
Speaker 3: on a seventeen year old who changed his mind on

1692
01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:18,080
Speaker 3: signing day and receives a torrent of hate on social media.

1693
01:20:18,520 --> 01:20:20,960
Speaker 3: It still happens. It of course still happens, but in

1694
01:20:21,040 --> 01:20:23,720
Speaker 3: the same way that like we'll see a like a

1695
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Speaker 3: signing day schedule of like this guy's announcing at seven easter,

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01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:28,960
Speaker 3: this guy's at seven fifteen, this guy's at seven thirty,

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01:20:29,160 --> 01:20:31,160
Speaker 3: and we have these hat ceremonies, and we have like haha,

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01:20:31,240 --> 01:20:33,680
Speaker 3: Clinton Dix's mom, that's who it was, right, She was

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Speaker 3: disappointed that he was choosing Alabama over LSU.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I got that wrong.

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01:20:37,479 --> 01:20:40,880
Speaker 3: I apologize if I did, But like, it's probably for

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01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:43,599
Speaker 3: the best that a little bit of that energy has

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01:20:43,680 --> 01:20:49,960
Speaker 3: been transferred away from the younger recruits and potential Georgia Bulldogs,

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01:20:50,439 --> 01:20:52,320
Speaker 3: you know, Texas Longhorns, Orgon docs.

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01:20:52,320 --> 01:20:54,880
Speaker 4: Hey, if I'm a coach, if I'm a coach, I

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01:20:55,439 --> 01:21:00,559
Speaker 4: definitely value having tape on tape on whoever for a year. Yeah,

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01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:03,600
Speaker 4: of course, playing at the FBS level, I value that

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01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:06,880
Speaker 4: over almost most of what you're gonna find on the

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01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:10,360
Speaker 4: high school level, because you can't compare the competition, probably

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01:21:10,400 --> 01:21:13,160
Speaker 4: not getting his good tape, I mean, just across the board,

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01:21:13,200 --> 01:21:15,400
Speaker 4: it is not the same. And so I understand why

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01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:18,599
Speaker 4: some coaches would want to farm out the portal as

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Speaker 4: best they can and maybe lean a little heavier in

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01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:24,760
Speaker 4: that direction versus doing the high school thing, where, let's

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01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:26,200
Speaker 4: be honest, in a lot of cases, some of these

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01:21:26,200 --> 01:21:29,280
Speaker 4: same programs or I had a disadvantage that being said,

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01:21:29,720 --> 01:21:32,639
Speaker 4: you need the balance. You can't go full coach prime,

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01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:35,120
Speaker 4: you just can't. Maybe he can pull it off, but

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01:21:35,200 --> 01:21:37,560
Speaker 4: I find it hard to believe that that's a sustainable

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01:21:37,680 --> 01:21:40,920
Speaker 4: thing for any great number of years. It's just really

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01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:43,519
Speaker 4: hard to hit in the portal year in year out,

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01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:44,880
Speaker 4: year in year out. Right.

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Speaker 3: No, you're right, And the interesting thing to me about

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01:21:48,520 --> 01:21:51,639
Speaker 3: what Brandon was talking about was like, you know, maybe

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01:21:51,680 --> 01:21:53,760
Speaker 3: you're going here this year, but I might be talking

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01:21:53,840 --> 01:21:57,080
Speaker 3: to you again next year. That's right, the recruiting starts

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01:21:57,120 --> 01:22:00,639
Speaker 3: anew and I hadn't really thought about it that much.

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01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:04,639
Speaker 3: But like the idea of a blue chip guy going wherever. Okay,

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01:22:04,720 --> 01:22:07,400
Speaker 3: so let's say he goes to Michigan State, Tennessee whatever

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01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:12,000
Speaker 3: and just doesn't play, you know, uses a red shirt

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01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:14,240
Speaker 3: year his first year. Clearly is not going to crack

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01:22:14,320 --> 01:22:16,800
Speaker 3: the two deep. But maybe it's two years of really

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01:22:16,920 --> 01:22:18,960
Speaker 3: not playing in any significant time as like a high

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01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:22,439
Speaker 3: four star safety or something like that. It's amazing the

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01:22:22,640 --> 01:22:25,160
Speaker 3: power that twenty four to seven or on three or

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01:22:25,240 --> 01:22:29,559
Speaker 3: rivals or whoever wields over even the second opportunity, right,

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01:22:29,560 --> 01:22:32,840
Speaker 3: because when that guy who has done nothing for two

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01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:36,680
Speaker 3: years at some major school enters the portal after a

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01:22:36,760 --> 01:22:40,920
Speaker 3: couple of years doing nothing, there's still that ability to

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01:22:41,080 --> 01:22:44,920
Speaker 3: lean on, like well for star Tennessee signeee. So the

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01:22:45,080 --> 01:22:48,720
Speaker 3: opportunities are still going to be there because of that

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01:22:49,000 --> 01:22:52,920
Speaker 3: initial reputation and star number next to his name. That's

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01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:55,240
Speaker 3: fascinating to me that it's still going to carry years

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01:22:55,360 --> 01:22:58,400
Speaker 3: worth of weight even if he's just a guy.

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01:22:58,600 --> 01:23:02,360
Speaker 4: What a just weird weird sport. We have the privilege

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01:23:02,360 --> 01:23:06,240
Speaker 4: of covering here on the cellar plutely what a weird sport?

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01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:09,240
Speaker 4: Truly scaffolding on top of scaffolding. As you have said

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01:23:09,280 --> 01:23:11,600
Speaker 4: many times over the final point that I'll bring up

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01:23:11,600 --> 01:23:13,479
Speaker 4: on this and then we'll move on and wrap things

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01:23:13,560 --> 01:23:13,840
Speaker 4: up here.

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01:23:14,360 --> 01:23:15,960
Speaker 1: You know, if you're one of those fans.

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01:23:15,720 --> 01:23:17,920
Speaker 4: That likes to tweet at high school recruits for not

1753
01:23:18,120 --> 01:23:21,040
Speaker 4: committing to your school, this is also a very bad

1754
01:23:21,160 --> 01:23:24,000
Speaker 4: time for you. And I say that because, oh yeah,

1755
01:23:24,360 --> 01:23:26,719
Speaker 4: you don't want to be the fan base that jumps

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01:23:26,760 --> 01:23:30,599
Speaker 4: out and starts dogging Dylan Royola whoever, because there's always

1757
01:23:30,640 --> 01:23:32,200
Speaker 4: a chance a year or two down the line that

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01:23:32,280 --> 01:23:33,840
Speaker 4: things are going to come back around. And if you're

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01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:37,400
Speaker 4: that fan base, if you're that fan base that leaves

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01:23:37,439 --> 01:23:39,560
Speaker 4: a bad taste in the recruit's mouth, forget it.

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01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:41,960
Speaker 1: Sure, forget it. So if you value any.

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01:23:41,840 --> 01:23:44,240
Speaker 4: Of these guys at all as future members of your

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01:23:44,360 --> 01:23:47,600
Speaker 4: team or of the greater college football community, shut the

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01:23:47,680 --> 01:23:48,000
Speaker 4: hell up.

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01:23:48,520 --> 01:23:50,160
Speaker 1: Just stay off Twitter for the day, for.

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01:23:50,200 --> 01:23:52,120
Speaker 3: The week, for the month, whatever I thought you were

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01:23:52,160 --> 01:23:54,639
Speaker 3: gonna go with, Like, it's never been more difficult because

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01:23:54,680 --> 01:23:56,479
Speaker 3: of all the moving pieces, with the portal to know

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01:23:56,560 --> 01:23:57,280
Speaker 3: who to yell at.

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01:23:57,400 --> 01:23:58,639
Speaker 1: Oh it's never been more difficult.

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01:23:58,640 --> 01:24:00,840
Speaker 4: But I'm saying, if you value you kind of the

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01:24:00,880 --> 01:24:03,880
Speaker 4: future state of your program, and understand the new landscape here.

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01:24:04,240 --> 01:24:06,760
Speaker 3: Shut the hell up, right, which is also why like

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01:24:06,960 --> 01:24:09,000
Speaker 3: the coaches are getting really good at playing the game,

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01:24:09,080 --> 01:24:11,160
Speaker 3: that they're not going to push so hard, they're not

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01:24:11,240 --> 01:24:14,840
Speaker 3: going to feel burned and you know, be aggressive towards

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01:24:14,880 --> 01:24:17,000
Speaker 3: the recruit they this school over that school.

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01:24:17,240 --> 01:24:22,040
Speaker 4: Lane Kiffen congratulates everybody these days, everybody, anybody who does anything.

1779
01:24:22,680 --> 01:24:24,280
Speaker 4: Lane Kiffin is there to give you the blue ribbon.

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01:24:24,400 --> 01:24:25,760
Speaker 4: That's just who he is now. He's a nice guy.

1781
01:24:25,840 --> 01:24:26,200
Speaker 2: Let's move on.

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01:24:26,320 --> 01:24:27,240
Speaker 1: Let's go see in a year.

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01:24:27,360 --> 01:24:27,960
Speaker 4: Let's catch up.

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01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:33,960
Speaker 5: A players are good, so are great, and some are

1785
01:24:34,360 --> 01:24:40,920
Speaker 5: just dudes. Welcome to dood Alert presented by Pristine Auction.

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Speaker 1: So a little bit of a different spin on it

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01:24:43,320 --> 01:24:44,080
Speaker 1: this time around.

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01:24:44,960 --> 01:24:49,000
Speaker 4: Dood alerts have been very reactive, but alerts, like you

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01:24:49,120 --> 01:24:52,200
Speaker 4: said at the top, alerts, by their very nature, can

1790
01:24:52,240 --> 01:24:56,240
Speaker 4: also be proactive, alert you as to what is coming,

1791
01:24:56,280 --> 01:24:56,919
Speaker 4: a winter.

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01:24:56,840 --> 01:24:59,920
Speaker 1: Weather alert, a storm alert.

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01:25:00,479 --> 01:25:04,120
Speaker 4: Let's do a true dude alert here with her, with

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01:25:04,280 --> 01:25:06,799
Speaker 4: our information that we got from our good friend Brandon Hoffman.

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01:25:07,439 --> 01:25:10,320
Speaker 4: He says Jeremiah Smith might be one of the best

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01:25:10,360 --> 01:25:13,360
Speaker 4: receivers he's ever seen in person. Yep, that would be

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01:25:13,400 --> 01:25:17,000
Speaker 4: the first. The second he mentioned was Ellis Robinson the fourth,

1798
01:25:17,439 --> 01:25:21,400
Speaker 4: who is the five star cornerback from Bradenton, Florida who

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01:25:21,439 --> 01:25:23,879
Speaker 4: has committed to the University of Georgia.

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01:25:24,320 --> 01:25:26,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought I am G and Bradenton. Yeah, I'm

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01:25:26,360 --> 01:25:28,639
Speaker 1: G kid. I don't believe he gave us the third.

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01:25:28,720 --> 01:25:30,439
Speaker 4: So I'm gonna leave it up up to you, Dan,

1803
01:25:30,520 --> 01:25:33,639
Speaker 4: since you're normally the dood alert guy, give me another

1804
01:25:33,800 --> 01:25:36,240
Speaker 4: name in this class, someone that you've read a lot about.

1805
01:25:36,360 --> 01:25:37,880
Speaker 1: I'm guessing it's going to be an organ guy.

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01:25:37,920 --> 01:25:41,040
Speaker 4: That's fine. Just have to be somebody that you are

1807
01:25:41,160 --> 01:25:43,800
Speaker 4: into that we can add as the third member of

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01:25:43,960 --> 01:25:47,320
Speaker 4: our very proactive dood alert on this year.

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01:25:47,360 --> 01:25:51,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, as a non like recruiting expert doesn't matter, like

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01:25:51,720 --> 01:25:52,599
Speaker 3: a kicker, who cares.

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01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:57,920
Speaker 1: I haven't cracked the film on. Maybe it's a name

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01:25:58,040 --> 01:25:58,600
Speaker 1: that you like.

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01:26:00,120 --> 01:26:00,439
Speaker 2: To name.

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01:26:00,520 --> 01:26:06,120
Speaker 1: I like, yeah, uh yeah, we'll go with as a

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01:26:06,200 --> 01:26:08,960
Speaker 1: non expert. Uh, We'll go with.

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01:26:10,880 --> 01:26:14,679
Speaker 3: Aiden Breeland. How about that, the big defensive tackle heading

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01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:17,800
Speaker 3: to Oregon from modern day. I think he's the number

1818
01:26:17,800 --> 01:26:20,040
Speaker 3: one player in the state of California per twenty four

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01:26:20,040 --> 01:26:22,160
Speaker 3: to seven. Can't tell you that I have an in

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01:26:22,240 --> 01:26:23,320
Speaker 3: depth scouting report.

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01:26:23,560 --> 01:26:25,400
Speaker 1: But I can tell you once.

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01:26:25,280 --> 01:26:27,280
Speaker 3: Again as an Orgon fan who has watched his team

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01:26:27,360 --> 01:26:29,719
Speaker 3: lose two straight games to Washington, if you have somebody

1824
01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:32,439
Speaker 3: who can collapse a pocket really quickly on the inside,

1825
01:26:32,680 --> 01:26:37,040
Speaker 3: that changes things. So I'm hoping that I'm very early

1826
01:26:37,160 --> 01:26:39,519
Speaker 3: in saying dood alert Aidan Breeland, love it.

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01:26:39,720 --> 01:26:45,360
Speaker 4: Love it. Pristine Auction the ultimate destination for signed sports memorabilia.

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Speaker 4: You can get signed gear from all the dudes that

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Speaker 4: played at your favorite team. So just going out there,

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Speaker 4: type in Notre Dame, Penn State, Oregon, type in specific

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Speaker 4: player names.

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Speaker 1: They've got a full compliment of fun stuff.

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Speaker 4: That you can news to maybe decorate your background. Maybe

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Speaker 4: you're on zoom calls, maybe you're on podcast calls like

1835
01:27:05,840 --> 01:27:07,880
Speaker 4: Dan and I are. I don't know, whatever you're into.

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01:27:07,960 --> 01:27:09,640
Speaker 4: Everybody's got a set up. Now you need to have

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01:27:09,720 --> 01:27:10,200
Speaker 4: the setup.

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01:27:10,560 --> 01:27:12,519
Speaker 1: Got stuff. Pristine's got stuff that you.

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Speaker 4: Can put behind you and look you make you look

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Speaker 4: even cooler than you already are. The bid start at

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1842
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Speaker 4: Use our codes solid for ten dollars off your very

1843
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Speaker 4: first win.

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01:27:25,880 --> 01:27:27,719
Speaker 1: Have you watched Jeremiah Smith by the way.

1845
01:27:28,040 --> 01:27:29,559
Speaker 4: I've seen clips, he looks incredible.

1846
01:27:29,960 --> 01:27:32,200
Speaker 3: He The reason why he to me seems like such

1847
01:27:32,240 --> 01:27:34,080
Speaker 3: a no brainer is he looks like he's going through

1848
01:27:34,120 --> 01:27:36,599
Speaker 3: a walkthrough. Yeah, as he's catching the ball over somebody's

1849
01:27:36,640 --> 01:27:38,720
Speaker 3: head and jogging into the end zone while everybody else

1850
01:27:38,760 --> 01:27:42,479
Speaker 3: is running at full speed. Those guys cannot miss.

1851
01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:43,280
Speaker 1: They can't.

1852
01:27:43,360 --> 01:27:46,439
Speaker 4: And that was the thing, Like anybody who played sports

1853
01:27:46,479 --> 01:27:50,120
Speaker 4: in elementary school or high school or even like intramural

1854
01:27:50,160 --> 01:27:53,320
Speaker 4: stuff at college. Right, Yeah, if you've ever gone up

1855
01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:57,800
Speaker 4: against an actual athlete, that is the one thing type,

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01:27:58,040 --> 01:28:00,040
Speaker 4: that is the one thing you notice. It is not

1857
01:28:00,200 --> 01:28:02,720
Speaker 4: that their skills transcend yours, which of course they do,

1858
01:28:02,880 --> 01:28:05,120
Speaker 4: but it is how easily they do it. Yes, it

1859
01:28:05,240 --> 01:28:08,080
Speaker 4: is always how easily they do it that sets them apart.

1860
01:28:08,840 --> 01:28:11,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, like what you are offering up to them in

1861
01:28:12,000 --> 01:28:14,320
Speaker 3: terms of competition is not at all interesting.

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01:28:14,400 --> 01:28:16,640
Speaker 4: It's like Neo at the end of the Matrix one,

1863
01:28:16,680 --> 01:28:19,519
Speaker 4: where he's just you know, one hand fending off Agent Smith.

1864
01:28:20,120 --> 01:28:21,599
Speaker 1: Hope it works out because he's great.

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01:28:22,800 --> 01:28:26,080
Speaker 4: Last, but certainly not least A five star. Shout out

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01:28:26,160 --> 01:28:30,200
Speaker 4: to verballer Paul Burkett one who left us this review

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01:28:30,400 --> 01:28:38,720
Speaker 4: out on Apple Podcasts. Titled Mia Maxima Kulpa Oh. I've

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01:28:38,800 --> 01:28:44,920
Speaker 4: been committing pod alchery with another college football podcast, but

1869
01:28:45,200 --> 01:28:48,040
Speaker 4: I have realized my mistake and I have moved them

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01:28:48,240 --> 01:28:52,080
Speaker 4: into the friend zone. The solid verbal is still the

1871
01:28:52,200 --> 01:28:56,200
Speaker 4: one for me. Thank you, Paul. We appreciate that very much.

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01:28:56,280 --> 01:28:58,960
Speaker 4: We appreciate your support. These reviews have been rolling in.

1873
01:28:59,360 --> 01:29:01,439
Speaker 4: We would encourage everybody who listens on Apple to go

1874
01:29:01,520 --> 01:29:04,639
Speaker 4: on out leave us at five star review and rating.

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01:29:05,880 --> 01:29:09,000
Speaker 4: I will read through all of them. I am committed

1876
01:29:09,080 --> 01:29:11,320
Speaker 4: to that. I have started taking screen grabs of all

1877
01:29:11,360 --> 01:29:13,640
Speaker 4: of them. I'm already falling behind, but that's okay. It

1878
01:29:13,760 --> 01:29:16,800
Speaker 4: is a long, cold off season. I'll read to an

1879
01:29:16,840 --> 01:29:18,720
Speaker 4: episode if that's what it takes. But I'm going to

1880
01:29:18,760 --> 01:29:20,920
Speaker 4: give a shout out to everybody who takes the time

1881
01:29:20,960 --> 01:29:23,840
Speaker 4: to do this for us and for the sport the show. Again.

1882
01:29:23,920 --> 01:29:27,240
Speaker 3: Shout out Paul. Shout out Paul legendary and handsome and striking.

1883
01:29:27,560 --> 01:29:30,080
Speaker 4: Everybody who listens on Apple if you wouldn't mind doing that.

1884
01:29:30,120 --> 01:29:31,800
Speaker 4: If you listen on Spotify, you can leave us a

1885
01:29:31,840 --> 01:29:34,320
Speaker 4: five star review there. Many of the apps where you

1886
01:29:34,400 --> 01:29:37,559
Speaker 4: listen to podcasts give you that ability to leave at

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01:29:37,600 --> 01:29:41,040
Speaker 4: a minimum a star rating. If you're enjoying what we

1888
01:29:41,200 --> 01:29:44,320
Speaker 4: do here, please do help us out by going out

1889
01:29:44,360 --> 01:29:46,639
Speaker 4: there and leaving a rating or review. It really does help.

1890
01:29:47,400 --> 01:29:49,720
Speaker 1: Agree Dan, that's all I got.

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01:29:50,720 --> 01:29:53,439
Speaker 4: Big thanks to our good friend Brandon Hoffman for another

1892
01:29:53,520 --> 01:29:56,160
Speaker 4: great year of his insight. We'll bring him back soon. Yes,

1893
01:29:56,240 --> 01:29:58,000
Speaker 4: we'll bring him back soon to talk more about this.

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01:29:58,760 --> 01:30:01,640
Speaker 4: Please do give us subscribe or follow wherever it is

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01:30:01,720 --> 01:30:04,599
Speaker 4: you listen to podcasts if you are out on YouTube,

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Speaker 4: also hit subscribe to the channel fin Us on social media.

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01:30:08,200 --> 01:30:10,120
Speaker 4: And last but not least, verballers dot com is that

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01:30:10,240 --> 01:30:11,920
Speaker 4: is where you can find all the premium stuff for

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01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:15,120
Speaker 4: that guy over there, Dan Rubinstein, for myself, Tie Hilding

1900
01:30:15,160 --> 01:30:17,400
Speaker 4: the brand. Thank you again for downloading, listening, and supporting.

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01:30:17,680 --> 01:30:19,519
Speaker 4: We will talk to you all soon and stay souled

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01:30:20,240 --> 01:30:20,559
Speaker 4: peace