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Speaker 1: Hey, bright Side, besties, Hello Sunshine.

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Speaker 2: Today on the bright Side, we're talking to mother Untitled

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Speaker 2: founder and CEO, Neja Rouche. She's redefining stay at home

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Speaker 2: motherhood with her revolutionary digital community. It's Wednesday, May First.

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Speaker 2: I'm Danielle Robe.

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Speaker 3: And I'm Simone Boyce and this is the bright Side

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Speaker 3: from Hello Sunshine.

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Speaker 1: Happy Wednesday.

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Speaker 2: You know, Simone, yesterday we were talking about tennis because

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Speaker 2: we were key king about Zendeia's new film, Challengers and

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Speaker 2: all of her fabulous tennis inspired fashion.

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Speaker 3: I am ready for my country club era. I just

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Speaker 3: want to put it out there right now. Catch me

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Speaker 3: at the club, y'all.

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Speaker 2: I'm ready to see you in all of your tennis

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Speaker 2: fashion too. Tennis was my quarantine sport and I haven't

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Speaker 2: picked up my racket since. But my mom got me

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Speaker 2: into pickle and I think that the next step of

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Speaker 2: this is padel. Have you heard of this padel? What

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Speaker 2: is It's the fastest growing racket sport in the world.

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Speaker 2: It's sort of like a mixture between tennis and squash,

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Speaker 2: and it looks like a pickle court, but you have

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Speaker 2: glass walls around you. It's really really popular in Spain.

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Speaker 2: I think it's like the biggest sport after soccer in Spain,

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Speaker 2: and now America is catching on.

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Speaker 4: Have you played Padel?

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Speaker 1: No, I haven't played.

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Speaker 2: I just keep hearing about it, and I feel like

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Speaker 2: maybe it's a good date spot now. I always see

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Speaker 2: in movies people do like running clubs, and it just

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Speaker 2: seems really hard to talk and run at the same time.

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Speaker 2: I feel like Pickle or Padel I have a much

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Speaker 3: I think you might be right. I mean, these racket

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Speaker 3: sports are all over my feet all the time. It

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Speaker 3: seems like all of them across the board are exploding

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Speaker 3: in popularity, and it's a really interesting question to ask why.

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Speaker 3: Why do you think that is?

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Speaker 1: I think it all started during COVID.

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Speaker 2: It was a game that people were really playing because

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Speaker 2: it took up less space than tennis, Like not everybody

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Speaker 2: love with it. I also think it's accessible for all levels,

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Speaker 2: Like my mom was incredible and I was not so good,

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Speaker 1: At me sometimes get the ball. Do you have an idea?

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Speaker 4: What do you think. I think it's that.

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Speaker 3: I also think maybe I'm just getting older and my

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Speaker 3: friends are getting into boomer sports. Maybe that's like, maybe

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Speaker 2: You know, my mom's going to be so mad at

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Speaker 2: you for calling it a boomer sport.

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Speaker 3: Listen, I don't make up these terms. Okay, so don't

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Speaker 3: come for me, Deanna. But I do love that millennials,

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Speaker 3: elder millennials are seeking out community in this way. I

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Speaker 3: think it's a really healthy way to build community. And

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Speaker 3: like you said, you might meet the love of your

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Speaker 3: life on a padel court. Have you thought about who

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Speaker 3: would be on your pickle celebrity draft team, like your

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Speaker 2: I mean, obviously I'm having an all women team offense

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Speaker 2: to the men, but women are just like better at

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Speaker 2: most things. So can I draft our executive producer Rees Weatherspoon.

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Speaker 2: Can she be Team Haden?

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Speaker 4: Yes, one hundred percent. I feel like she plays right.

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Speaker 2: I kind of want like a Hello Sunshine pickleball or

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Speaker 4: Wait, this is genius.

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Speaker 3: We need to talk to the powers that be because

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Speaker 3: I see a lot of alignment here. I see a

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Speaker 3: phrases that quote successful women use in the workplace. This

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Speaker 3: is an article that I came across by Every Girl.

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Speaker 3: And you know, we've talked about on this show how

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Speaker 3: we've learned to advocate for ourselves over the years at

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Speaker 3: Here's one that I really like. They said, I don't

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Speaker 3: I think that's always important. Thanks for your patience. I

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Speaker 2: I'm going to use a version of this or disagree

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Speaker 2: I deserve a raise.

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Speaker 5: No one, absolutely, nobody who has been in the workforce

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Speaker 5: like that is terrible advice.

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Speaker 3: I don't think they're saying that you walk in and

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Speaker 4: You need to provide concrete reasons as to why saying you.

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Speaker 2: Deserve something at work or in our relationship is a

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Speaker 3: I think you're advocating for yourself if you state your

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Speaker 2: I think it's better to ask a question to say

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Speaker 2: I think if you have to go in and say

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just thought this whole list was eager, beaver.

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Speaker 2: I think it's great to have keywords or phrases in

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Speaker 4: I like that a lot competence breeds confidence.

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Speaker 3: You know. It's the words of someone else recently made

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Speaker 4: After the break.

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Speaker 3: We're talking career pauses and pivots with Neha Rush.

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Speaker 1: Stay with us.

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Speaker 4: All right.

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Speaker 2: Today we are changing the narrative around stay at home moms.

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Speaker 4: Danielle.

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Speaker 3: So many women, including myself, at one point, fear starting

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Speaker 1: On the bright side, Nayh, welcome to the show. I'm

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Speaker 1: so happy to be here. Thank you both.

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Speaker 2: How do you explain mother Untitled to people who haven't

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Speaker 6: I really explain it as the first resource to empower

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's really comprehensive. You have a weekly newsletter,

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Speaker 4: Okay, I think we need to rewind a little bit.

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Speaker 3: I made this really big decision to just completely walk

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Speaker 6: I think that for too long. The unbeaid labor on

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Speaker 6: But I think at a base level, contributing means valuing

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Speaker 3: You've really started a discussion around that, around judgment, around

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Speaker 6: I'm so glad you asked, because I think one of

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Speaker 1: It's a privilege to get to choose.

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Speaker 6: And I think if we can embrace that, we start

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Speaker 2: About how to support all choices. Do you know the

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Speaker 6: how to plan and how to plan with your partner

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Speaker 6: in the case of a two parent household, because it's

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Speaker 6: so important that both partners understand the value that you're contributing.

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Speaker 6: And think about if we're each putting in a workday

446
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Speaker 6: right from nine to five, and I'm at home when

447
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Speaker 6: he came home his quote unquote work Dan did and

448
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Speaker 6: so did mine, and from that point on, we're sharing

449
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Speaker 6: the household labor, right. I don't always think it was

450
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Speaker 6: fifty to fifty. I think it was fair and equitable,

451
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Speaker 6: and I think it was an ongoing conversation. We had

452
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Speaker 6: really deliberate conversations about where he could help because he

453
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Speaker 6: wasn't able to always be home, so he did all

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Speaker 6: of the paperwork, so he filled out the doctor's forms

455
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Speaker 6: because he was always in front of a computer and

456
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Speaker 6: I was on the playground, and we.

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Speaker 1: Recalibrate every year.

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Speaker 6: I think it's important to also take into account that

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Speaker 6: when we sit down at the top of the year,

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Speaker 6: every January, we have our money meeting, and we will

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Speaker 6: look at the year behind us, We'll look at a

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Speaker 6: variety of different budget allocations and figure out, Okay, what

463
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Speaker 6: part did we do well on, and we make those

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Speaker 6: decisions jointly. And I think it's so important that even

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Speaker 6: though he was the one working for pay, we made

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Speaker 6: those decisions together. We budgeted together, and I did not

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Speaker 6: get a lesser budget because I was not working for pay.

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Speaker 6: I think he's doing a lot more now than I am, candidly,

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Speaker 6: and I think that's part of this whole conversation, is

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Speaker 6: that it's ever shifting.

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Speaker 4: That's exactly where we're at right now.

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Speaker 3: Right now, my husband is taking care of the lion's

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Speaker 3: share of caregiving responsibilities, and that is I think that's

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Speaker 3: the most important thing that I've learned in my four

475
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Speaker 3: years thus far as a parent, is the need for

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Speaker 3: both of us to be flexible and that all of

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Speaker 3: this comes in seasons. Right now, he is the one

478
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Speaker 3: who is keeping stuff together at home and I'm out

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Speaker 3: at work. But that might change, you know, in the

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Speaker 3: next three to six months. And so I think when

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Speaker 3: you view it temporarily and not thinking like, oh, this

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Speaker 3: is our life now, this is going to be our

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Speaker 3: life forever, but just holding it a bit more loosely,

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Speaker 3: I think that allows you to extend more grace to

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Speaker 3: your partner too. Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I always think the phrase right now helps, so you

487
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Speaker 6: can prioritize what's important for right now and sort of

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Speaker 6: recalibrate as you go.

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Speaker 4: Do you have a vision for how you want things

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Speaker 4: to look?

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Speaker 2: I would like my husband to do everything. No, I'm kidding. No,

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Speaker 2: I would like an equitable partnership.

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Speaker 1: But I think.

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Speaker 2: It seems when I interview people, when I hear people

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Speaker 2: like you talk about it, that flexibility is really the key.

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Speaker 4: When you interview men on dates, you mean.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, when I interview men on dates, that's good exactly.

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Speaker 6: I will tell you there were two things I took

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Speaker 6: into account when I married my husband. One, he was

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Speaker 6: a really fantastic cook. He's a doer, He's just a door.

501
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Speaker 6: I like to think of myself. I'm a good thinker.

502
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Speaker 6: I like to plan and strategize and overthink our problems,

503
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Speaker 6: and he's better at just getting stuff done. But he

504
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Speaker 6: also had a really short last name. As soon as

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Speaker 6: I met him, I was like, are you c H

506
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Speaker 6: versus y Lurker, which was my last name?

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Speaker 1: And I was like, I'm you. You check the box.

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Speaker 6: You're going to cook for our family and it's going

509
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Speaker 6: to be the world's shortest last name.

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Speaker 2: I was just thinking the other day, like, what if

511
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Speaker 2: I meet somebody and I love them and I hate

512
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Speaker 2: their last name, don't do it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't have to change the name though, folks, No.

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Speaker 1: But like your kids that I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I guess there's a whole conversation to be had whether

516
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Speaker 2: we want to keep doing this. Yeh, that's like patriarchal lineage.

517
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Speaker 2: But another podcast.

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Speaker 3: I'm of the opinion that I've been simone Voice for

519
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Speaker 3: I was like twenty three when I got married. I

520
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Speaker 3: was Simone Boys for twenty three years. Why do I

521
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Speaker 3: need to change names when it's no longer This like

522
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Speaker 3: something to mark this exchange of like feudal territories.

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Speaker 4: But choice, it's all about choice.

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Speaker 3: I love that you're always talking about choice, Nehu, because

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Speaker 3: choice is agency.

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Speaker 2: You said something at the top of this interview that

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Speaker 2: I keep thinking about as we're talking. You said you

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Speaker 2: didn't want to feel like you didn't fit anymore. Why

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Speaker 2: did you personally feel like you didn't fit? And why

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Speaker 2: why do you see that among women more?

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Speaker 1: You know, I think we.

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Speaker 6: Are holding so many notions of what we should be,

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Speaker 6: and many of them sometimes are are in conflict with

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Speaker 6: one another, right, and so when we feel that tension,

535
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Speaker 6: when we're supposed to be strong and we're supposed to

536
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Speaker 6: be powerful, and we're supposed to also be feminine and

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Speaker 6: soft and kind, you know, a lot of that implodes.

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Speaker 6: And so I'll tell you, guys working at a tech

539
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Speaker 6: start running brand. When I had my first child in

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Speaker 6: a very male dominated tech sector, you had to sort

541
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Speaker 6: of take on one persona, and then in another sector,

542
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Speaker 6: when you're managing teams of young women, you have to

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Speaker 6: be another persona. And I was always sort of contorting

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Speaker 6: myself to fit the room. You know, I immigrated to

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Speaker 6: this country, immigrated to a predominantly white town, and I

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Speaker 6: remember in my teens purposefully imploding my math in science

547
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Speaker 6: scores or grading because I wanted to sort of upend

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Speaker 6: the idea that like all Indians were really good at

549
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Speaker 6: math and science, and I was partying hard, I was

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Speaker 6: just trying to fit and I left and I decided

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Speaker 6: to take a year off and I ended up traveling

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Speaker 6: for a year. And that year away really was so

553
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Speaker 6: powerful for me, and I think it really developed a

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Speaker 6: self trust and take in sort of parting with that path,

555
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Speaker 6: but really motherhood did that for me, and taking that

556
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Speaker 6: time to just be. And I think why we're so

557
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Speaker 6: exhausted is because we've had this very linear view of

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Speaker 6: and productivity. And when we start to sort of embrace

559
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Speaker 6: a softer view that's more of a portfolio of different

560
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Speaker 6: things we care about and different things we do, and

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Speaker 6: different things we need to move forward, then we start

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Speaker 6: to be able to really refocus on the things that

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Speaker 6: matter instead of holding it all so tightly.

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Speaker 2: We're taking a quick break, and when we come back,

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Speaker 2: we're talking about the benefits of taking a step away

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Speaker 2: from work.

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Speaker 3: We're back with Nyhush as a mom who is on

568
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Speaker 3: social media a lot and consumes a lot of mom

569
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Speaker 3: related social content. I want to make sure that we

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Speaker 3: also talk about the joy when you think back to

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Speaker 3: that time when you are fully at home and being

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Speaker 3: a mom for five years.

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Speaker 4: What kind of joy did motherhood awaken in you?

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Speaker 6: Motherhood gets such a bad pr there's boring parts of

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Speaker 6: every job, right, And I think you can accept that

576
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Speaker 6: and then you realize that there's an innocence and pure

577
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Speaker 6: joy that they glean from learning that if you can emulate,

578
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Speaker 6: it reignites that curiosity in you. And I think for

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Speaker 6: me a lot of that was through art and play

580
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Speaker 6: with them. I think I was always someone trying to

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Speaker 6: fit that I had sort of created a very specific

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Speaker 6: sort of persona, and my kids let me be silly again.

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Speaker 1: So when this comes naturally to you.

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Speaker 6: But I was not someone who just like danced around

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Speaker 6: a room, you know. I was so self conscious of that.

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Speaker 6: And kids, when you part with your ego because you

587
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Speaker 6: have to and they want you to, it unlocks something

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Speaker 6: a little bit more free.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And as you were talking, I just thought about how

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Speaker 3: I feel like my kids are making me a better interviewer.

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Speaker 3: They're making me better at my job because kids always

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Speaker 3: ask the best questions, and it's just reminding me to

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Speaker 3: come from a place of genuine curiosity. I learned so

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Speaker 3: much from them all the time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I can also imagine talking to kids like

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Speaker 2: you really have to explain something clearly, so you probably

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Speaker 2: learn to be an even clearer communicator. I was laughing

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Speaker 2: as you were talking because my mom always said to

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Speaker 2: me she was a working mom, but she was like.

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Speaker 1: You're a producer.

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Speaker 2: I executive produced this family for thirty years. You're a founder.

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Speaker 2: I'm the CEO of this family, have been for thirty years.

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Speaker 2: Like moms are off Deana, they're like dermatologists, they're pediatricians,

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Speaker 2: they're all of the things. But I really think that Naha,

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Speaker 2: you're a huge part of this stay at home motherhood

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Speaker 2: community evolving.

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Speaker 1: You've really created a movement. Is the book part of that.

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Speaker 2: I want you to talk about the power of Pause

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Speaker 2: and how you're thinking about this book.

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Speaker 6: So The Power Pause comes out January fourteenth, twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 6: And I do think it is a stake in the

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Speaker 6: around to say it's time for the culture to re

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Speaker 6: examine the tropes around stay at home motherhood. And you know,

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Speaker 6: I think is one part a guide. It's the first

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Speaker 6: of its kind that really upends a lot of tropes

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Speaker 6: but walks a woman through how to plan, how to

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Speaker 6: walk through it with confidence and more ease and enjoyment.

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Speaker 6: How to then transition back and use this as a

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Speaker 6: time to explore and potentially return with confidence and enthusiasm.

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Speaker 6: But it's also a cultural call to action.

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Speaker 3: I actually get several young, ambitious, career minded women who

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Speaker 3: come to me and they're like, I'm thinking about having

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Speaker 3: a family at one point. How do I navigate this?

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Speaker 3: Is there a right time? And I often point them

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Speaker 3: to you, to Mother Untitled, because I think you're such

627
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Speaker 3: a great resource. So whenever you encounter women like that

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Speaker 3: out in the wild who have questions about what this

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Speaker 3: looks like, what advice do you have for them?

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Speaker 6: I think the first is to examine all the opportunities

631
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Speaker 6: that exist for them. It isn't so black and white.

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Speaker 6: That would be the first thing I would say. So,

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Speaker 6: you know, this is very industry dependent. I think some

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Speaker 6: industries are more flexible than others.

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Speaker 1: As you know.

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Speaker 6: I encourage women to seek out mentors who have done

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Speaker 6: this before, who have walked a myriad of different paths,

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Speaker 6: and think about what's available to them to allow them

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Speaker 6: to stay connected to their work if that's what they want,

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Speaker 6: or take a full pause and return. And the part

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Speaker 6: two is also to not make any decisions before having

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Speaker 6: really lived the experience of motherhood that I know so

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Speaker 6: many women who said I thought I was going to

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Speaker 6: stay at home, and actually I really felt called to return.

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Speaker 6: And I also know women on the inverse who said

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Speaker 6: I thought for sure I would return, and then I

647
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Speaker 6: felt really called to stay at home.

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Speaker 4: So true.

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Speaker 6: And also go through the financial budgeting as to what's

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Speaker 6: available to you in terms of taking a pause or

651
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Speaker 6: down shift. You know, one of the saddest things things

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Speaker 6: in this country is and the saddest messages I receive

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Speaker 6: are the women who write me two weeks postpartum saying

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Speaker 6: I think I want to do this, I don't know.

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Speaker 6: And my advice to them is, don't do anything until

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Speaker 6: you absolutely have to. No woman should have to make

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Speaker 6: this decision at six weeks postpartum. Unfortunately too many women do.

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Speaker 3: Gott to let the hormones balance out too. I would

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Speaker 3: just say, don't make any big decisions while.

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Speaker 1: Don't make any big decisions. Don't cut your hair.

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Speaker 3: Don't cut bangs, don't cut bangs during postpartum, don't.

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Speaker 6: Cut banks, don't quit your jab just wait, get all

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Speaker 6: the data.

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Speaker 3: Naha.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much for chatting with.

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Speaker 1: Us Thank you, na Oh, it was such a pleasure.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Nahal Rouche is the founder and CEO of Mother Untitled

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Speaker 3: and the author of The Power Pause, coming in twenty

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Speaker 3: at Mother Untitled.

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Speaker 1: Simon.

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Speaker 2: We have to take a moment to reflect on our

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Speaker 2: conversation with Neha because there was.

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Speaker 3: A lot there, Danielle, I'm feeling really empowered by that

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Speaker 3: conversation with Neha.

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Speaker 2: I feel the same way. She really gives people tools.

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Speaker 2: It's so actionable and tactical. It's not philosophical, you know.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm here for a total cultural societal redesign.

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Speaker 2: I don't think that domestic expectations and societal expectations have

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Speaker 2: caught up to where women are in the workforce. Like

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Speaker 2: we're effectively just doing more all of the time. But

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Speaker 2: in the meantime, Neha is giving people words, tools and

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Speaker 2: opportunities to work within the system we have, you know,

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Speaker 2: like this is what we're living right now.

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Speaker 3: Her message around living in the gray area, finding freedom

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Speaker 3: and liberation in the gray area is so important and empowering.

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Speaker 3: I love that she focus is on the right now.

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Speaker 3: I've always internalized this mantra about just do the next

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Speaker 3: right thing. And I think when you live that way,

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Speaker 3: you're able to hold your life and your goals and

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Speaker 3: your current situation in a much looser fashion and just

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Speaker 3: say like I'm being flexible in this moment, like maybe

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Speaker 3: this is the way that I'm doing things right now.

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Speaker 4: Isn't going to last forever?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that flexibility is really it's really just liberating. I

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Speaker 3: keep coming back to that word.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And I think you know, the word you used, empowering,

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Speaker 2: is so right too, because we just have the systemic

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Speaker 2: and I really think NAHA is trying to combat that.

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Speaker 3: I think the work that Neha is doing is really

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Speaker 3: heart centered and it makes a lot of women who

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Speaker 3: have previously been unseen feel seen and that is a

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Speaker 3: true gift.

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Speaker 1: Really well, so.

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Speaker 4: All right, best to you tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: We are back at it with another edition of Asking

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Speaker 3: for a Friend with Friendship coach Danielle Buyer Jackson.

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Speaker 4: Ooh, this was a good one.

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Speaker 1: It really was. And that's it for today's show.

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Speaker 2: So listen and follow the bright Side on the iHeartRadio app,

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Speaker 2: Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Speaker 4: I'm Simone Boye.

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Speaker 3: You can find me at Simone Boye on Instagram and TikTok.

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Speaker 2: I'm Danielle Robe on Instagram and TikTok.

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Speaker 1: That's Oro Bay.

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Speaker 4: We'll see you tomorrow, folks,