1 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:10,959 Speaker 1: It's that time. Time time, time, luck and load. So 2 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: Michael Verie Show is on the air. 3 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:23,799 Speaker 2: When I make a list of the most popular things 4 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:26,080 Speaker 2: we do on this show over the years, having done 5 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 2: this for twenty years now, playing a Paul Harvey clip, 6 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 2: be up there, playing a rush limball clip will be 7 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 2: up there. Having doctor ed young on, be up there. 8 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 2: Those are things. And then I will discover in my meanderings. 9 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:49,879 Speaker 2: Usually somebody will send it to me, someone talking about 10 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 2: a book of the Bible, a character in the by 11 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 2: person in the Bible, or a parable or something of 12 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 2: the sort, or what a verse means to them. And 13 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 2: I'll find, you know, some Bible teacher who explains that 14 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 2: in a way that is compelling, and so we'll we'll 15 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 2: share those. And it's amazing how many people will say, 16 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:13,199 Speaker 2: where did that come from? 17 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: Where do I find that? 18 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 2: Because they want to they want to listen again, or 19 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:19,199 Speaker 2: they want to share it with someone else. 20 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:22,479 Speaker 1: And so it's something that we enjoyed doing, and. 21 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 2: I intend to probably do much more of it going 22 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 2: forward because I enjoy it, and it seems to be 23 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:33,399 Speaker 2: something that you enjoy as well. So someone sent me 24 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 2: an email and said, hey, you were at uh when 25 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 2: David Kleingler was there. He was the superstar quarterback, went 26 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 2: to the Cincinnati Bengals first round draft pick. And I said, yes, 27 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 2: we weren't buddies, but I knew who he was. Obviously 28 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 2: we all did. He was a big man on campus. 29 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 2: And I'm always interested in where are they now? VH 30 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 2: one did one? And this may be my favorite where 31 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 2: are they now? For somebody who I didn't know what 32 00:01:56,880 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 2: he was up to. He's teaching the Bible, and from 33 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 2: what I understand, he's darn good at it. I have 34 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 2: gone on to his podcast which is called Teach Me 35 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 2: the Bible. He has a website Teach Me the Bible 36 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 2: lives out in Brenham. But I got to say, this 37 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 2: guy is doing literally doing the Lord's work. And I 38 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 2: was so delighted to see what he used his celebrity 39 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 2: and his skill set for. And so we reached out 40 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 2: through mutual friends to ask him to come on and 41 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 2: talk about his ministry. And I am honored to say 42 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 2: he's with us now. David Klingler, Welcome to the program. 43 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 3: Michael. Good to talk to you. 44 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 2: So take me from in in ninety two. You're drafted 45 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 2: by the Bengals. We'll talk football in a moment. Raiders 46 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 2: ninety six, ninety seven. Then you were on the practice 47 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 2: squad for the Packers. Football is over. Take me to 48 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 2: the next phase of your life. Let's start there. 49 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 3: You well, well, that's a great question. So so football 50 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 3: was over pretty much after my second year in Cincinnati. 51 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 3: I had had elbow damage, went to surgery and they 52 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 3: said it was career ending. And and you know, one 53 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 3: of the things that I realized was that football is 54 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 3: not a career. Unless you're a coach. Then it's not 55 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 3: particularly a good career. You're just waiting to get fired, 56 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 3: it seemed to me. But but then the question was 57 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 3: what do you do next? And uh, you know, what 58 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 3: does life look like after you know, you're you? You've 59 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 3: done everything that you thought you wanted to do and 60 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 3: and and so that was kind of how football came 61 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 3: to an end. And and I remember it was actually, uh, 62 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 3: this the first off season i'd come back to Houston. 63 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:47,559 Speaker 3: You know, we still had a home in Katie and 64 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 3: and the Oilers that was back when the Oilers were 65 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 3: in Houston. And came back to the off season and 66 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 3: was invited by the FCA Director of the Houston area 67 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 3: to go to the Oilers Bible Study. And I went 68 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 3: to the Oilers Bible Study and a guy named body 69 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 3: Backham was teaching the Bible study and many of you 70 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 3: may know that name, and and uh and we got 71 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 3: to talking after the study and he said, you know, 72 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 3: you need to quit football and go to seminary. And 73 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 3: I'm thinking, who in the world goes to seminary? You 74 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,600 Speaker 3: know even know what that means. But that's kind of 75 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 3: how it started, you know. And uh, and just an 76 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 3: interest in h in the Bible and and so over 77 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:30,159 Speaker 3: the next maybe eight years he kept after me and 78 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 3: and finally I had had a ranch out in the 79 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 3: Burton area Brenda Mary and uh, some some of you 80 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 3: know person pulled in wanted to buy the ranch, and 81 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 3: so I sold it and he said, well what do 82 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 3: I do now? I said, well, I'm going to go 83 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:43,600 Speaker 3: to seminary. And that's kind of how it started. 84 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 1: So you had I think a thousand acres. 85 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 2: Or more, No, it was it was about five hundred 86 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 2: little video. 87 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, the world chat that's. 88 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:01,599 Speaker 2: A massive amount in Burton in why. 89 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 3: Well today back then, you know, gosh, so I wish 90 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 3: I'd have bought you know, you know everything. The light 91 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 3: touches back. If I'd have known then what I know now. 92 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:15,359 Speaker 3: But but yeah, we you know, my plan was to 93 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:19,160 Speaker 3: go retire, shut the gate and uh, you know, and 94 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:23,720 Speaker 3: and you know, and just train some horses and and 95 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,479 Speaker 3: my wife's plan was to raise our boys and uh 96 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 3: somewhere bigger than than Burton. And so we moved back 97 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 3: to the Kadi area. Boys went to Sinco Ranch High 98 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 3: School and and really enjoyed it there. But but you 99 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:37,799 Speaker 3: know how it is living in a town and property 100 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 3: taxes and traffic and people and all that and uh, 101 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 3: and it was just time to get back out into 102 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 3: a little more space. And so we moved back out here. 103 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 3: We live in the Brenna Mary Now, Okay, so that's 104 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:49,600 Speaker 3: what we're doing. 105 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 1: You complete seminary and then what's the next step. At 106 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:53,679 Speaker 1: that point what happened? 107 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 3: Well, the reason I went to sim I didn't want 108 00:05:57,680 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 3: to be a pastor. I didn't want to be a professor. 109 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 3: I that that wasn't even on the radar. I just 110 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 3: wanted to know the Bible. And and I remember hearing, 111 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 3: you know, I used to listen to the morning Christian 112 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:17,159 Speaker 3: radio and Tony Evans was on Chucks WNDAHLL was on 113 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 3: UH and they they had two radio stations, or right, 114 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:23,480 Speaker 3: two radio shows back to back, and I listened to them, 115 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 3: and then I just happened to go to church on Sunday, 116 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 3: and all three of them preached the same passage, but 117 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 3: none of them said the same thing. And I kept thinking, 118 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 3: you know, who are you supposed to listen to? Here? 119 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:38,360 Speaker 3: You know, you got the Catholics, the Presbyterians, the Lutherans, 120 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 3: the Baptists, and everybody's saying something different, and they're all 121 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:47,160 Speaker 3: saying in some ways mutually exclusive things, and so who 122 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 3: are you supposed to listen to? And how do you 123 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:52,919 Speaker 3: know what's right? And so I just went to seminary 124 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 3: to learn the Bible. I walked into my first seminary 125 00:06:55,120 --> 00:07:00,599 Speaker 3: class and U and this professor just made the Bible 126 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 3: is so simple and so understandable. You know, it wasn't 127 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 3: versus in iolation, but these actually made sense. You know, 128 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 3: one sentence went with the next sentence. Here, one verse 129 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 3: went with the next verson and the book started to 130 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 3: make sense, and and so it really captivated my curiosity. 131 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 3: I came home after the first night and and I said, 132 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 3: I want to get a PhD. And my wife's looked 133 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 3: at me like, who are you there? 134 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 1: One day? 135 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 3: One day? Yeah, one day, and that meant, you know, 136 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty hour degree. Yeah, and about half 137 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 3: about half of that degree was in was in the 138 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 3: Dallas area, so I couldn't take it in Houston. And 139 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 3: we had boys, and so I said, well, she said, 140 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 3: how are you going to do this? So I said, 141 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 3: I'll get up at three in the morning, I'll drive 142 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 3: and I'll be home, you know, in the afternoon or evening. 143 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:54,239 Speaker 3: And it required learning Greek and Hebrew and Aramaic and 144 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 3: you know, and then for the PhD, French and German 145 00:07:57,400 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 3: and you know, I don't know, you start piling up 146 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 3: the lane anguages and you start to lose track. But 147 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 3: it was just a passion to understand what, you know, 148 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 3: what does the Bible mean? And then and then once 149 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 3: I started to take theology classes and turn right, then 150 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 3: it really thought right there. Sure. 151 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 2: David Klingler is our guest. The site is teach Me 152 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 2: the Bible dot com. 153 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: This is the Michael Berry Show. Locked and loaded, didn't loaded. 154 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 1: David Klingler is our guest. 155 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 2: He was he wrote too many as a college quarterback 156 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 2: at the University of Houston first round draft pick with 157 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 2: Cincinnati Bengals. But what he does now is far more interesting. 158 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 2: The website is teach Me the Bible dot com. There 159 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:46,560 Speaker 2: is a podcast that effect. We're talking about fellow who 160 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 2: arrives at seminary. I mean, look, you don't get to 161 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 2: be a star quarterback and throw for almost ten thousand 162 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 2: yards in college without being a little cocky, right, So 163 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 2: he shows up the first day in seminary to catch 164 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 2: you folks up and decides after that, yeah, I'll go 165 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 2: ahead and get a PhD. Were you a good student 166 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 2: growing up? Were academics something? Because most athletes obviously weren't. 167 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 1: Were you? 168 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 3: You know? I I went to so at University of Houston. 169 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 3: I was in the business program, and it was a 170 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 3: great school. And but things, I would pick up things 171 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 3: pretty quickly, uh, and so I didn't have to spend 172 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 3: a lot of time at it. Now, if I was 173 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 3: interested in it, boy, it became a passion. And so, yeah, 174 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 3: I could be a good student, but I was interested 175 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 3: in things I was interested in. You know how boys 176 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:35,439 Speaker 3: are the things I wasn't interested in. I just had 177 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:36,319 Speaker 3: no interest in you. 178 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 2: Know, So, so on a personal level, you were going 179 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 2: to seminary and driving back and forth and being a dad. 180 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 1: And I'm assuming you know. 181 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:46,719 Speaker 2: That the sale of your property out in Burton kind 182 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 2: of you know, helped cover the bills and hopefully you 183 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 2: saved some of what you made as an athlete. 184 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 1: Were you were you, were you working? 185 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 2: Were you earning a paycheck anywhere during this time or 186 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 2: just going to seminary, just going to seminary. 187 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 3: I had just had totally devoted myself to learn in 188 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 3: the Bible, not for any other really agenda or reason. 189 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 3: I just wanted to know the truth, so to speak. 190 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 3: And I was it was my second year of school, 191 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 3: and and the dean then of the College of Biblical 192 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 3: Studies here in Houston, as some of the students, was that, 193 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 3: you know that he was looking for some professors and 194 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 3: people to teach the Bible. And so he's asking the 195 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 3: professors at the seminary, do you have any good students? 196 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 3: And my name kept coming up, and so he asked 197 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 3: me to teach. And so I just went in and taught, 198 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 3: you know, told others what I had learned that was 199 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 3: taught by my professors. A couple of years later, the 200 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:47,119 Speaker 3: Dallas Seminary asked me to teach, start teaching Biblical languages, 201 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:51,439 Speaker 3: and then I started teaching Greek and Hebrew and Bible. 202 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 3: I was teaching actually at three schools before I had 203 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 3: finished my PhD. And which you know, they typically require 204 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 3: PhD to teach, but they had made an exception for me. 205 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 3: So I was teaching it at College Biblical Studies, at 206 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 3: Dallas Theological Seminary, and then at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary. 207 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 3: And again, my passion was just to learn the Bible, 208 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 3: and I realized that it wasn't that complicated. Boy, we 209 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 3: sure make it hard, but it wasn't it wasn't that 210 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 3: complicated to understand. And again maybe out of frustration, you know, 211 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 3: it's you know, I wanted to teach others so that 212 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 3: they could understand it, so you didn't have to listen 213 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 3: to what somebody says. The Bible says that you can 214 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:40,679 Speaker 3: actually open it up, and we didn't make sense. 215 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: Of it well. 216 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 2: And that was always, uh, you know, as a Southern Baptist, 217 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 2: I am a believer that I don't need a pope or. 218 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: Anyone else to translate for me. 219 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 2: You know, it's in my language, and it's it's my 220 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:57,959 Speaker 2: personal journey and it applies to me and no one 221 00:11:58,000 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 2: needs to translate it for me. 222 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 1: How did you arrive at the concept of teach me 223 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 1: the Bible? Were people asking you that question? Because it's 224 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 1: so simple and so direct? 225 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 2: And I think that that was part of what I 226 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:10,959 Speaker 2: found to be the appeal when I went to the 227 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 2: website and then started on the podcast. 228 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:16,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a funny story. So we live out here 229 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 3: in Brenham, and so met a pastor out here and 230 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 3: just wanted to help him, you know, succeed in the pastor. 231 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 3: And it's such a bad job. It's a hard job 232 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 3: unless you're called to it. And so we would sit 233 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 3: on the porch and we would just talk about the 234 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 3: Bible and he'd ask, you know, hey, what about this, 235 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 3: and so we talk about it. Well, we hired a 236 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 3: worship pastor and he came in and you know, he 237 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 3: had made the statement to him. He says, you know, 238 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:46,959 Speaker 3: we teach the Bible and we sing heresy, how can 239 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 3: I learn the Bible? Because so many of our Christian 240 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 3: songs are such bad theology. I said, well, why don't 241 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 3: you just come sit on the porch with us and 242 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:56,839 Speaker 3: talk the Bible? And he said, you know, we need 243 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:59,559 Speaker 3: to make a podcast of that, and that's how it started. 244 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 3: So I said, well, I don't even know what that 245 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 3: means podcasts, you know. He said, well, don't worry about that. Well, 246 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 3: I'll bring the microphones, will set it up. And so 247 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 3: he's our technology guy. So that's what we do. We 248 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:15,719 Speaker 3: come in and and the microphones are set up and 249 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 3: they just ask questions and I talk, you know, tell 250 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 3: us about this book, and so we walk through the 251 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:22,719 Speaker 3: book and it really is a simple concept, but it's 252 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 3: really had a great response. 253 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 2: When when folks who grew up in the church but 254 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 2: maybe have have drifted away, or or folks who go 255 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 2: to a church and as you know, this is very 256 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 2: common where the Bible is not first and foremost, and 257 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 2: they said, I really want to get I want to 258 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 2: go deeper into where I want to engage in personal study, 259 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 2: not church going personal study. Do you have an approach 260 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 2: as to a place to begin or what what is 261 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 2: how do you handle that? 262 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, well it's really interesting that we so much 263 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 3: of so many people today come to seminary for just 264 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 3: that they they've been involved in church, but they want 265 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 3: to learn the Bible and and so they come in 266 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:08,960 Speaker 3: thinking they know a whole bunch of stuff that usually 267 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 3: they come up, come in with their theology, with their 268 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 3: you know, with their life versus or whatever it is. 269 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 3: And and when you ask them to explain what that 270 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 3: verse is doing with the sentence right before to the 271 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 3: sentence right after it, they have they have they can't answer. 272 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 3: And you hear so often you know, you uh, start 273 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 3: in the Gospel of John or something like that. But 274 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 3: if I handed you any book, any any book and 275 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 3: said here, read this book, well, you would just start 276 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 3: at the beginning. And and that's where you ought to start. 277 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 3: In the Bible, you start at the beginning. You start 278 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 3: in Genesis, and and it's really a simple story. It's 279 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 3: the Bible is the revelation of God's redemptive history through 280 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 3: you know, through through human history. I mean it's just 281 00:14:55,200 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 3: in the beginning, uh, creation fall and off the Lord 282 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 3: goes to bring about his promised deliverer, and you get 283 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 3: to walk down that trail with the authors as they 284 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 3: tell the story of God's redemptive acts throughout human history, 285 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 3: culminating in the person of his son Jesus Christ. And 286 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:23,119 Speaker 3: so it makes perfect sense. It's really simple to understand. 287 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 3: But if we start in the middle, or start with 288 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 3: some verse, or you start with some theological grid or 289 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 3: concept or defense. It becomes really convoluted very quickly. 290 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 2: Although full disclaim, full disclosure and disclaimer on your part, 291 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 2: your expertise is your PhD is actually an Old Testament 292 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 2: studies so would I would argue that in terms of accessibility, 293 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 2: most folks can start in the New Testament with a 294 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 2: lot greater ease to at least get to develop comfort 295 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 2: in who we're dealing with here, whereas the Old Testament 296 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 2: can be, in my opinion, can be a little tougher. 297 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 1: Nut to crack. 298 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, so what happens is, let me start with 299 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 3: the Gospel of John. So so John tells the reader 300 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 3: why he wrote his his story, but many other signs 301 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 3: ge are scared in the presence of those disciples which 302 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 3: were not written in this book. 303 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 2: Hold right there, we're up against break. David Klingler is 304 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 2: our guest. The website is teach Me the Bible dot com, 305 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 2: and that is also the name of the podcast. 306 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 1: More for Me to have almost went the lawless to 307 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 1: the Michael Verie Show. David Klingler is our guest. Former 308 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: star quarterback. 309 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 2: Now Teach Me the bible dot com, or you can 310 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 2: listen to the podcast Teach Me About. You were talking 311 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 2: about the Book of John and and we're going to 312 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 2: to get to Paul's letters, I hope at some point, 313 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 2: because that's something that's always appealed to me. But you 314 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 2: were talking about we're talking about learning the Bible, and 315 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 2: I'm talking as much about self taught, which appears to 316 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 2: be a lot of what y'all do. And I love 317 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 2: that you're not trying to build an audience for yourself. 318 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 2: You're trying to It appears to me, at least my 319 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 2: study of what y'all done is to get people engage 320 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 2: themselves in a self help study of the Bible. And 321 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:19,120 Speaker 2: I love that approach. 322 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 3: But anyway, go ahead, Yeah, our mission is to help 323 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 3: the people of God understand the Word of God. But 324 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 3: you know the Gospel of John. John is writing to 325 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:34,160 Speaker 3: convince the reader that Jesus is the Christ. Well, if 326 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 3: I ask students, and I do this all the time 327 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:37,959 Speaker 3: in seminary, okay, well what does that mean? And they 328 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:40,959 Speaker 3: look at me with the blank stare like, I don't know, 329 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:43,879 Speaker 3: Like Jesus Christ right, Like you know, if he was 330 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 3: wearing a jersey on the back of his jersey it 331 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 3: would say Christ like his last name. Well that's not 332 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 3: that's a title. He's the anointed King of Israel, proven 333 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 3: through what he does, through what he says. His words 334 00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:04,160 Speaker 3: and works matched those of the Old Testament. So he's 335 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 3: not somebody, because even John says so. Jesus even says 336 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 3: in the Gospel of John, in interacting with the Pharisees, 337 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 3: you know, you search the scriptures, because then you think 338 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 3: you have eternal life. But it's these that speak of me. 339 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 3: And of course he's talking about the Old Testament, that 340 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 3: all of creation was waiting for this one to appear, 341 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 3: and so that anticipation is built in the Old Testament. 342 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 3: And then you know, I love how Matthew presents it. 343 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 3: You know, the hope of the world walked onto the 344 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 3: scene in human form. John says that that the Word 345 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:43,919 Speaker 3: became flesh and dwelt among us talking about John and 346 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 3: the other disciples, and we beheld his goal. He saw him, 347 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 3: We touched him our hands, and we stuck our fingers 348 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 3: in those holes, and so we proclaimed to you. And 349 00:18:54,960 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 3: so it's just such an amazing story that corresponds to history. 350 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 3: I mean, you look at the world around us and 351 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 3: even current events today and what's happening, and this whole 352 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:10,919 Speaker 3: thing is heading towards the end of God's redemptive history, 353 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 3: and you know, so the reason why it's so relevant 354 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:16,479 Speaker 3: to us is because you're in it. We're all in it, 355 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 3: you know, and so so it's just such a compelling 356 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:25,440 Speaker 3: the story to me, that corresponds to life, to all 357 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:27,919 Speaker 3: of our lives, and so I think it's something that 358 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 3: everybody needs to know for themselves. 359 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: That's a fascinating approach. You know. 360 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 2: I have experienced something over the years, and I'm sure 361 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 2: you have tenfold, and that is that if I have 362 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:44,159 Speaker 2: someone on to talk about the Bible, or if I 363 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:49,160 Speaker 2: myself make a statement about my interpretation of something, there 364 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:53,239 Speaker 2: are a certain number of people who it's the one 365 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:56,400 Speaker 2: upsmanship of social media. They can't help themselves, but they 366 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 2: love to tell you how that's wrong because their pastor 367 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 2: said this, this or this, and I equate it to this. 368 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 2: If I were to go on Facebook today is a 369 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 2: toxic can be a toxic place, but it could also 370 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 2: be a wonderful place because we get some things done. 371 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:11,680 Speaker 1: They're kind of crowd sourcing. And if I were to say. 372 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:16,920 Speaker 2: I went to David Klingler's home this weekend and he 373 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 2: made burgers for us and they were wonderful, delicious burgers 374 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 2: with cheese. 375 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: And meat and mayonnaise and bread. 376 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 2: I would out of the thousand people that would respond, 377 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 2: fifty of them would be, now, my brother's burgers are better, 378 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 2: even though they had never eaten your. There's just this 379 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 2: desire to kind of want to do you find people 380 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:37,399 Speaker 2: to be after reviewing the podcast, A certain number of 381 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 2: them to be compat combative, argumentative, because I find that 382 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:43,360 Speaker 2: the Bible brings that out in some people worse than 383 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:46,639 Speaker 2: even sports fandom. 384 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, politics, you deal with it. You know, it's politics, religion. 385 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 3: Those are areas in sports, right, politics for religion and sports. 386 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:00,920 Speaker 3: So you know, those are kind of the three areas 387 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:04,360 Speaker 3: where everybody is entitled to their own opinion, you know. 388 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 3: And you can't tell me any different, but you know, 389 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 3: but again what motivates me. I really like the example 390 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:15,880 Speaker 3: of the Boreans that that Luke records in the Book 391 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 3: of Acts. You know that they're commended for going back 392 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:20,879 Speaker 3: to the scriptures to see if these things are so. 393 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:24,159 Speaker 3: And you know, and so I tell my students all 394 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 3: the time, don't listen to me, and I don't want 395 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 3: you to. You know, when you stand before the Lord 396 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:33,680 Speaker 3: and say, well, doctor Klingler said, well, you know what 397 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 3: I tell them. Klingler' is a moron. He's been a 398 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 3: more in his whole life. He's just trying to help 399 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:42,440 Speaker 3: you see what the scriptures say. So let's go back 400 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 3: to see if these things are are so? And so 401 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 3: often our interpretation of some verse doesn't make any sense. 402 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 3: You know, I hear the same ones all the time. 403 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:55,879 Speaker 3: I can do all things through Christy strengthens me. Well 404 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 3: think about that for a second. Can you what can 405 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 3: you actually do through Christ is strengthens you? Can you 406 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 3: leap tall buildings with a single bound? Or mentoring a 407 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,439 Speaker 3: kid in high school and he had that Philippians four 408 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 3: thirteen on his letter jacket and his name is Casey, 409 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 3: And I said, Casey, what's that phil four thirteen? And 410 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 3: he looked at me like, well, aren't you supposed to 411 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 3: be a Bible teacher. Aren't you supposed to know this? 412 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:20,639 Speaker 3: He said, I can do all things through Christ, who 413 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 3: strengthens me. I said, we like what? And he got 414 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 3: this paniced look on his face, like I'm not so 415 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 3: sure now that you. You pressed me on it, and 416 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:33,120 Speaker 3: so I said, well, how much do you bench pressed? 417 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 3: And he said, well, you know about three fifteen, so 418 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:37,199 Speaker 3: that's pretty good for high school kid. I said, how 419 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 3: much you bench pressed with Christ's strengthened you? And he says, well, 420 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:45,200 Speaker 3: I guess about the same. I said, what does that mean? 421 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 3: And noticed that Paul's writing to the Philippians and he 422 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 3: doesn't say, y'all can do all things through Christy strengthens y'all. 423 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 3: He could have said that, So what does he mean 424 00:22:56,520 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 3: when he says what he says? So? Really? Yeah, Well, 425 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:04,919 Speaker 3: what he's talking about in the whole letter is that 426 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 3: he was concerned for these Philippians because, you know, the 427 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 3: it's a very alive and wealth theology today that if 428 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:17,680 Speaker 3: you serve the Lord, right, if you serve whatever God 429 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 3: it is you serve, he will bless you physically and financially. Now, 430 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 3: and of course that's not the gospel, that's not Paul's reality. 431 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 3: Paul had everything you know that a religious leader would 432 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:32,679 Speaker 3: desire when he was a Pharisee. But he comes to 433 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 3: Christ and all of a sudden he's being beaten and 434 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 3: persecuted and shipwrecked and everywhere he goes it's turning terrible 435 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 3: for him, and he's concerned with these Philippians who have 436 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 3: participated with him in the Gospel from the first Day 437 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 3: until now. They've been with him in his defense of 438 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 3: the Gospel, and he's concerned that they're going to leave 439 00:23:55,800 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 3: him because of the persecution that that's coming. And so 440 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 3: they sent him a gift, and he's thankful for the gift. 441 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,920 Speaker 3: He's writing this in chapter four and he says, I'm 442 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 3: thankful for the gift, but I don't need it. I've 443 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 3: learned how to get along with plenty, and I've learned 444 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,119 Speaker 3: how to get along with nothing. I'm amply supplied. I 445 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 3: can do all things through Christy strengthens me. He can 446 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:25,479 Speaker 3: endure all suffering, he can endure all hardship because his 447 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:30,680 Speaker 3: hope is in resurrection, not in you know stuff now, 448 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 3: life now, prosperity now. And so once you put it 449 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 3: in that context, now the reader, the Philippians who ought 450 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 3: to adopt Paul's theology to think the same way Paul thinks, 451 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 3: can say, ah, now I understand what he's saying, and 452 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 3: we too can do all things through We can endure 453 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,680 Speaker 3: all things. To cross the strengthens us. And that's really 454 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 3: the reality of life, isn't it that? You know we 455 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 3: were talking, we were texting back and forth and we're 456 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,879 Speaker 3: getting old here and you can see, yeah, you have 457 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 3: great hair. 458 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:07,680 Speaker 1: I'm not quite as old as you give away. 459 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:12,439 Speaker 2: We'll continue our conversation with David Klingler. The website is 460 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 2: Teach Me the Bible dot Com. Teach Me the Bible 461 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,360 Speaker 2: dot Com is also the name of the pipeline. We're 462 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,639 Speaker 2: going to be changing the name of the Gulf of 463 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:22,440 Speaker 2: Mexico to the. 464 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,360 Speaker 3: Gulf of Smit of michael Berry, which has a beautiful way. 465 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,159 Speaker 2: David Klingler was once known as a star quarterback at 466 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 2: Stratford High School and then at the University of Houston, 467 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,679 Speaker 2: where he was a third in the running for the 468 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 2: Heisman Trophy the year that Ty Detmer of BYU won it. 469 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 2: Rocket ismael number two at Notre Dame. He was his 470 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 2: first round draft pick for Cincinnati Bengals, and after his 471 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 2: career was over, or as he said, even before that, 472 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 2: he started looking for more meaning in life and he 473 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,919 Speaker 2: wanted to learn the Bible, not to preach, not for 474 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 2: a living. He didn't need to worry about that, but 475 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,200 Speaker 2: he wanted to understand and learn the Word of God, 476 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 2: so he went who the Dallas Theological Seminary and ended 477 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 2: up getting his PhD. And now teach me the Bible 478 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 2: dot com and the podcast teach me the Bible and 479 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 2: with us. 480 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,400 Speaker 1: Now, let me give you this segment if you would. 481 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 2: And you've got about eight minutes, and I want you 482 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,359 Speaker 2: to teach me the Bible of the Birth of Christ 483 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 2: as you would, and I'll give you a one minute 484 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 2: wrap up. But I'm my guessing as you got your 485 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 2: clock down pretty good. 486 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 3: All right, So the assignment the birth. 487 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 1: Of would have been nice if I gave you the 488 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 1: lead time, I know. But anyway, well that's okay. 489 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 3: Well, well it's an Old Testament story, you know it really, 490 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,680 Speaker 3: the birth of Christ is an Old Testament story. The 491 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 3: whole story is an anticipation. So we you know, we 492 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 3: go back to creation, we go back to the garden, 493 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 3: and you know, God has this mandate. Torri says, let 494 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 3: us make man in our image and our likeness. Let 495 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 3: him rule over the bird's ear, the fishes, He at 496 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:04,399 Speaker 3: the beast of the field. He creates man and gives 497 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 3: him what creates the woman to help her. They were 498 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 3: to be fruitful and multiply image bears. And the serpent 499 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:15,439 Speaker 3: comes into this scene. The antagonists, or the satan, we 500 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 3: call him all Satan means hastan. The adversary comes in 501 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,359 Speaker 3: and de seizes the woman and the man's there with her, 502 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,639 Speaker 3: and they eat of the forbidden tree, and they're kicked 503 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 3: out of the garden. They're removed from the tree of life. 504 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:35,119 Speaker 3: And so now, man, you know, Adam's name is a 505 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 3: He comes from the adamah Adama means ground. He was 506 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 3: raised up out of the ground to never return to it, 507 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:43,440 Speaker 3: to rule over the birds of the ear, the fishes, 508 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,680 Speaker 3: sy the beast. I feel. And now he's going back 509 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,440 Speaker 3: to the ground. And that creates the problem. And it's 510 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,200 Speaker 3: our problem, right, we think we've got a lot of problems. 511 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 3: Our problem is you're you know, your days are numbered, 512 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,920 Speaker 3: and you don't know if today's your last day. And 513 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 3: and so this introduces the problem. And the Lord declares 514 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 3: right there in Genesis three. The Church has always recognized 515 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 3: what we call the proto Evangelium, the first proclamation of 516 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:13,200 Speaker 3: the Gospel, that the Lord was going to bring through 517 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 3: this woman, this one who would be born, who would 518 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:18,640 Speaker 3: die for sin, we're reading a little bit in here, 519 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 3: but this is what's developed in the story. And so 520 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 3: the whole story of Genesis is tracking this promise, and 521 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:30,639 Speaker 3: really nothing else practical attracts this promise down through the genealogies, 522 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,679 Speaker 3: through Noah, through Abraham, through Isaac, through Jacob, through Israel, 523 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 3: through Judah, through the family line of Peiz to the 524 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 3: to the house of David the king, and this promise 525 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,480 Speaker 3: is given to him, and it's going to come through 526 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 3: this kingly line of David and Isaiah. The prophet shows 527 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 3: up and condemned the whole line of David and says, 528 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 3: a virgin will give birth, that I don't need you, 529 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 3: King a has I don't need you the Davidic line, 530 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 3: I don't need I'll do it by myself with a 531 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 3: little girl. And so all of creation, all of the 532 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 3: hope of the world waits for God to keep his promises. 533 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 3: As Israel is disobedient, thrown out of the land, dispersed 534 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 3: among the nations, and at the right time to the day, 535 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 3: as Daniel the Prophet prophesies, Christ is born, the promised 536 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 3: to one appears and he's proven through his words and 537 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 3: works that he is the one that the whole creation, 538 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 3: all of the law and the prophets and the psalms 539 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 3: was anticipating, and he walks onto the scene and does 540 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 3: exactly what was for told, crucified, buried, resurrected, ascends to 541 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 3: the right hand of the Father. And you know, and 542 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 3: that's the gospel story. That's the it's the story of 543 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 3: the births of Christ. So it's a thirty nine books 544 00:29:56,520 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 3: building towards the gospels. Everything is waning towards this lone 545 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,239 Speaker 3: and when he's born, it is just, you know, the 546 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 3: hope of the world has appeared. And you know, and 547 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 3: so what. 548 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 2: You know, you mentioned Philippians four thirteen and how people 549 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 2: use in a kind of a health and wellness. You know, 550 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 2: I can do all things through Christ, who strengthens me. 551 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 2: What are things about Christ's birth or life or I 552 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 2: don't want to get to teachings per se yet because 553 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 2: I want to save that. But what are things about 554 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 2: Christ's life that you think are not understood or widely misunderstood? 555 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 3: Well, I think that the from the very beginning. You know, 556 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 3: you think about Job and Job's friends. This it's this 557 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 3: theology that says, if you serve the Lord, or serve God, 558 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 3: whatever it is, you'll be blessed. Now you say, well, 559 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 3: that doesn't make any sense. It certainly didn't work for Paul. 560 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 3: It didn't work. I mean, you go back to the 561 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 3: very beginning of the of the Bible of Canaan. 562 00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 1: Abel. 563 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 3: You know, Able was the righteous one, but Cain kills Abel. 564 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 3: I mean, it didn't work for Abel, It didn't work 565 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 3: for Jesus, it didn't work for the prophets. So Paul's 566 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:09,560 Speaker 3: going to say things like, all who desired to be 567 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,480 Speaker 3: godly in Christ, Jesus will suffer, will be persecuted. And 568 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 3: so this was Jesus's life, and so often I think that, 569 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 3: and we kind of learned this through through church history 570 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 3: and our unique American experience, that we've westernized the Gospel 571 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 3: and americanized it so that the means by which you 572 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 3: can experience the American dream is through Christ. He will 573 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:43,280 Speaker 3: help you, you know, achieve all you want to achieve. 574 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,240 Speaker 3: I know, the plans I have for you, declares the 575 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 3: Lord of future and hope. And so we go in there, 576 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 3: we grab that verse and jerk it out of context, 577 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:53,239 Speaker 3: and we make it about us. And so you know, 578 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 3: Christ came as a suffering servant to lay down his 579 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,959 Speaker 3: life for sin, and I don't think that we focus 580 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 3: on that near enough and call believers. And in the 581 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:12,000 Speaker 3: early Church, first a few centuries, they viewed suffering martyrdom 582 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:17,320 Speaker 3: as part of discipleship, to deny yourself and to take 583 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 3: up your cross, and it was very real to them. 584 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 3: But once the you know, Christianity kind of becomes the 585 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 3: state religion, or at least the accepted religion, persecution ends 586 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 3: and those verses kind of go away, and they're uncomfortable, 587 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 3: and now you know, it's yeah, and it becomes a 588 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 3: means by which we can achieve. 589 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not than and we we think Jesus because 590 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:45,160 Speaker 2: we won the game. 591 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 1: And I always think, well, does that mean the Lord 592 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:48,840 Speaker 1: didn't care for the other team? 593 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 2: You know, there's this idea that you know, if I, 594 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 2: if I chuck up a deuce after the game, you 595 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:58,120 Speaker 2: know that then God will favor me with victories and 596 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 2: awards and all those things. And it's always it's always 597 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:05,280 Speaker 2: been interesting that that's that's almost this. I don't know 598 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 2: that that one's always bothered me a bit more than 599 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 2: the others. 600 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,960 Speaker 1: I don't really know why David Klingler is our guest. 601 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 3: He is. 602 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 2: He is the man behind, along with a team around 603 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,959 Speaker 2: him of teach Me the Bible dot Com and then 604 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 2: Teach Me the Bible dot Com podcast, which, like every 605 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 2: other podcast, is free and accessible and a great thing 606 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,840 Speaker 2: to listen to as you're driving across the country or 607 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 2: just driving home. 608 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 1: And he'll be our guest or more I mean