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Speaker 3: Good morning, and welcome to Counterpoints. A lot of Trump

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Speaker 3: news today, can you believe that? I mean, just let

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Speaker 3: a day at ends and wy Yeah, not like Donald

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Speaker 3: Trump making.

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Speaker 4: News all over the world.

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Speaker 5: That's right, all tell of it.

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Speaker 3: Actually good And we're not going to do an entire

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Speaker 3: segment on this, but we did want to let you

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Speaker 3: know that the Senate passed the No Tax on Tips Act.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's fantastic.

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Speaker 4: Let me we give credit to two people that are despicable.

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Speaker 4: Ted Cruz and Donald Trump got together wrote a bill.

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Speaker 5: He's not gonna come back on the show if you

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Speaker 5: do that, right, and.

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Speaker 4: Pat I just said something nice about him.

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Speaker 3: They wrote a bill and it unanimously passed the Senate

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Speaker 3: because the center really cannot hold if you have left

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Speaker 3: populism and right populism actually genuinely working together, because then

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Speaker 3: you're at like a seventy thirty issue or eighty twenty

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Speaker 3: or ninety ten, like who's against tax on tips?

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Speaker 5: So well, nobody, because it was a unanimous except the

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Speaker 5: vote was unanimous.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, literally, it still wouldn't have happened if the populist

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Speaker 3: wings didn't push it and for left populist didn't really

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Speaker 3: push it. This is yep, this is Trump. Well, i'll

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Speaker 3: give us one of Trump.

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Speaker 5: Kamala Harris mirrored it at one point in the camp page.

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Speaker 5: It was like, yeah, okay on tips.

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Speaker 4: There you go. So it caps.

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Speaker 3: The income cap is one hundred and sixty thousand, so

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Speaker 3: if you make a less than a hundred and sixty thousand.

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Speaker 4: I was reading the bill and we'll see if it fades.

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Speaker 6: In or not. You get it.

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Speaker 3: Basically, a twenty five thousand dollars tax credit against against

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Speaker 3: your taxes and what they mean, and it's against cash

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Speaker 3: which basically means you can cheat because as long as

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Speaker 3: you you can just say you got twenty five thousand

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Speaker 3: dollars in tips and write that all off of your

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Speaker 3: income tax. Now, most people aren't paying that much at

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Speaker 3: that level, so it's kind of basically wipes out your

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Speaker 3: tax bill.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's fantastic, great bell.

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Speaker 4: Actually, well, and now it has to pass the House.

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Speaker 4: We'll see. Yeah, great bell, but it should Why wouldn't

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Speaker 4: it pass the House?

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Speaker 5: I think it'll be just fine. It's a good it's

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Speaker 5: a great sign that it was unanus.

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Speaker 3: Costs two or three hundred billion dollars I think, yeah,

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Speaker 3: over the next ten years.

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Speaker 5: So it's in Golden Dome territory. Yeah, a lot less

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Speaker 5: than the Golden Dome.

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Speaker 4: Actually, probably just scrap the Golden Dome and pay for it.

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Speaker 5: Well, we're going to get to the Golden Dome because

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Speaker 5: there's all kinds of news on that front. We'll explain

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Speaker 5: what the Golden Dome is, who might pay for it,

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Speaker 5: who might be in charge of constructing it. His name

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Speaker 5: rhymes with d Love, Trusty, So we'll get into all

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Speaker 5: of that. We have news. Obviously, probably you've already heard

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Speaker 5: leaked news about Israeli Plain for Iran that we're going

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Speaker 5: to get into right away on today's show. Will then

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Speaker 5: be going through some Trump comments that Donald Trump made

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Speaker 3: Ryan, Yes, apparently DHS sent twelve migrants from ME and

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Speaker 3: because he's already indicated that this was a flagrant violation

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Speaker 5: Well, speaking of flagrant, Bernie Sanders was on flagrant, We're

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Speaker 5: going to have a conversation about the appearance that Bernie

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Speaker 5: really interesting. We're going to combine it with a New

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Speaker 5: So we will break all of that down, Congressman wrote,

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Speaker 5: the congressman and Elon Musk speaking of him, he says

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Speaker 5: a huge change, a multi multi billion dollar change for

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and we're also going to talk about the potential

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Speaker 3: breakdown of talks between Iran and the United States when

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Speaker 3: it comes to the nuclear deal. Steve Whitkoff pushing the

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Speaker 3: US position to zero Uranian enrichment, including for civilian purposes,

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Speaker 3: the iotol A commandee pushing back against that, and Israel

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Speaker 7: So.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let's start with this news from CNN, which sourced

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Speaker 3: it to American intelligence officials, which suggests that it's a

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Speaker 3: strategic leak out of the US. They are claiming, we'll

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Speaker 3: put this first onle On Sing that they have intelligence

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Speaker 3: that says that Israel plans to go forward striking Iranian

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Speaker 3: nuclear facilities without the United States. Now this comes after

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Speaker 3: have not these talks have not ended, said that enrichment,

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Speaker 3: any enrichment at all, is becoming a red line.

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Speaker 4: Let's roll wit cough.

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Speaker 8: Well, the President has been very clear he wants to

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Speaker 8: solve this this conflict diplomatically and with dialogue, and he's

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Speaker 8: given he's given all the signals. He's directly sent letters

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Speaker 8: that message as well, and I've delivered it. And but

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Speaker 8: on the other hand, we have one very very clear

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Speaker 8: red line, and that is enrichment. We cannot allow even

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Speaker 8: one percent of an enrichment capability. We've delivered a proposal

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Speaker 8: to the Iranians that we think addresses some of this

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Speaker 8: be able to. But everything begins from our standpoint John,

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Speaker 8: with a deal that does not include enrichment. We cannot

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Speaker 8: have that because enrichment enables weaponization, and we will not

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Speaker 8: allow a bomb to get here.

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Speaker 3: Well, Trump was in the Middle East, there was this

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Speaker 3: think that's a great idea. We're happy to like contribute,

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Speaker 3: we also want our own program m hm like so

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Speaker 3: Which is a you know, a big deal if you

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Speaker 3: have you know, half your country relying on civilian nuclear power.

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Speaker 3: And so the the Israelis have been pushing and the

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Speaker 3: very hard to say zero in Richmond has to be

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Speaker 5: Well, I mean, it's also just like, sort of in substance,

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Speaker 5: a pretty reasonable red line from the perspective of the

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Speaker 5: And I'm not saying I actually support the zero enrichment target,

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Speaker 5: because I don't think I do it. I don't think

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Speaker 5: that's a reasonable way to come to a deal. But

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Speaker 5: I guess in substance it makes sense why you would

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Speaker 3: You would, yes, I can imagine that that would It

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Speaker 4: They want Hey, that's yeah, exactly, that's their logo.

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Speaker 3: Meanwhile, Israel has been threatening UH to bomb Iran for

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Speaker 4: Separately, Israel keeps.

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Speaker 3: And we know how Libya ended. Libya gave up its

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Speaker 5: And we now have Trump Tower Tripoli, so things are

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Speaker 4: Yes, that is and Libya is now.

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Speaker 3: I think what Israelis would like, what the Israeli government

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Speaker 3: total shambled failed state that therefore can't pose any threat

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and we have a response here from Hamini, so

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Speaker 5: always sort of tickles me in a way to see

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Speaker 5: him posts, right, So he says for the Americans to say, que,

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Speaker 5: we won't allow Iran to enrich uranium is utter nonsense.

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Speaker 5: We aren't waiting for anyone's permission. The Islamic Republic has

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Speaker 5: the flip side of what I was just saying about

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Speaker 5: the American perspective on zero enrichment. If you're Iran, of

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Speaker 5: course there's I don't need the United States permission to

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Speaker 5: pursuing my own sovereign foreign policy.

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Speaker 4: So and they already enriched uranium, like we already do it.

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Speaker 5: Well, yeah, and so we'll see how far this is

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Speaker 5: able to go. I wanted to point out the byline

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Speaker 5: who is an Obama appointee. So it's interesting when they're

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Speaker 5: they're sourcing is sourcing this to US intelligence?

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Speaker 4: Jim and the Obama he was.

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Speaker 5: The who's like a deputy advisor to the China ambassador.

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Speaker 5: Pretty interesting time period China ambassador. But when they say

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Speaker 5: the US has obtained new intelligence suggesting that Israel is

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Speaker 5: making preparations a striker on in nuclear facilities, that's the

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Speaker 5: first sentence of the story. And Ryan, I'm like, yep, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: Aimed at There's a cynical, malevolent version, which is that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and there were reports that Trump has been you know,

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Speaker 4: There's plenty of food. It's like, you haven't let food

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Speaker 3: And in the Senate, forty six Democrats, all of them

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Speaker 3: Meanwhile, a lot of Senate Republicans will not come forward

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if Israel did actually bomb Iran against both the

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Speaker 4: But what do I know.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we'll see now, Ryan, We're joined by a guest.

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Speaker 6: Yes.

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Speaker 3: Eric Maddox is a podcaster from California who was detained

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Speaker 4: This week, and he's going to join us to talk

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Speaker 5: Let's get to it.

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Speaker 3: thank you so much for being here. So you were

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Speaker 9: So in brief, Hebron Orli and Arabic and Arabic is

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Speaker 6: I just said, look like enough is enough. Do you

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Speaker 3: Police who are who were dragging you out of there,

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Speaker 3: they know you're a Californian. So they know what California did, right, Yes,

441
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Speaker 3: I mean definitely they know what California.

442
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 4: The whole world knows what California is.

443
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Speaker 3: And this is not to say that because you're from

444
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Speaker 3: California you should not be beaten and tortured any legally.

445
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Speaker 4: Attained like nobody should be.

446
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Speaker 3: However, it's to acknowledge the geopolitics of the situation.

447
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 4: So so they take you away, where do they take you?

448
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Speaker 4: And what happens next?

449
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Speaker 9: I do underscore your point because that's the reason I'm

450
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Speaker 9: coming on this show in any other media I do.

451
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Speaker 9: This isn't about me as an American getting roughed up,

452
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 9: and it was more than roughed up. I mean, I

453
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:39,920
Speaker 9: don't want to downplay it either. I was tortured for

454
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Speaker 9: four hours and what was done to me doesn't even

455
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Speaker 9: begin to come close to what is done to my

456
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Speaker 9: Palestinian colleagues in the West Bank, for those who have

457
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Speaker 9: been assassinated and continue to be persecuted, targeted in their

458
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Speaker 9: families as well in Gaza.

459
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Speaker 6: So I want to make that very clear.

460
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Speaker 9: Anything that was done to me multiply that by many,

461
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Speaker 9: many factors up to an including death my Palestinian colleagues.

462
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Speaker 6: So that's why I'm on the show.

463
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Speaker 9: That's what I want to call attention to, and also

464
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Speaker 9: the just absolute cowardice and abdication of all moralists, responsibility

465
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Speaker 9: and professional credibility by much of Western English language media,

466
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:26,159
Speaker 9: who should be, in my opinion, resigning en mass and

467
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:31,200
Speaker 9: protest at the absolutely abysmal coverage facilitation of this genocide

468
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Speaker 9: has been going on for nineteen months.

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Speaker 3: And then I think that's a I think that's a

470
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Speaker 3: valuable that's valuable contacts and a valuable caveat don't But

471
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Speaker 3: as you said, it also does not justify violence against

472
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Speaker 3: even for only four hours.

473
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Speaker 4: So what did happen to you?

474
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Speaker 9: So after I was out of First of all the

475
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 9: people who called me, I didn't know them. They were

476
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Speaker 9: just random people who happened to.

477
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Speaker 6: Be standing there. One of them you can hear on

478
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Speaker 6: camera ask me, who are you?

479
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Speaker 9: And I don't know where I if I looked dazed,

480
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:03,919
Speaker 9: it's because I had my head pounded into the cobblestone

481
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 9: streets well like several men with assault rifles took shots

482
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Speaker 9: at me, and they escorted me, escorted to a gate,

483
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Speaker 9: a gated area at the head of the old city,

484
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Speaker 9: out of the view of the cameras, and that's when

485
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Speaker 9: they just started beating the hell out of me. Punched

486
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Speaker 9: me in the back of the head, throwing me on

487
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Speaker 9: the ground, and then demanding that I get up. I'm

488
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,399
Speaker 9: cupped and unable to move. And then they got me

489
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Speaker 9: to the top of this hill next to.

490
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Speaker 6: An armored car.

491
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Speaker 9: And they didn't seem to be clear and what they

492
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 9: wanted either, because some of them were told me to

493
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Speaker 9: get in the vehicles and were told me to get out.

494
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Speaker 6: Then they hooded me, put a black hood over my head,

495
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Speaker 6: told me to get on my knees. I refused.

496
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Speaker 9: I figured if they were going to do something terrible,

497
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Speaker 9: I'd rather not be on my knees than they did it.

498
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Speaker 9: And so at that point they threw me on the

499
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Speaker 9: ground and started beating me more. They avoided my face

500
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Speaker 9: for some reasons it might be obvious, but they started

501
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 9: going through my things, confiscating my wallet, my passports, and

502
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Speaker 9: then continue to beat me, put me in the military

503
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Speaker 9: or the police vehicle. Continued to beat me in the

504
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Speaker 9: vehicle and the way to the police station. And at

505
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Speaker 9: this point they had my camera, which was my phone,

506
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Speaker 9: and they were twisting my arm to the point of

507
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Speaker 9: feeling they were going to break it, and demanding that

508
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Speaker 9: I unlocked my phone, you know, with like the biometric

509
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Speaker 9: scan fingerprint thing, and I refused, and they were trying

510
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Speaker 9: to open my hand and force me to use my

511
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Speaker 9: fingerprint to open it, and I just quenched my fist

512
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Speaker 9: as hard as I possibly could.

513
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Speaker 6: And somehow managed to avoid that.

514
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Speaker 9: I'm sure had it been Palestinian, they would have been

515
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Speaker 9: brutal enough to where they might have broken me, you know.

516
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 9: But so they eventually got me into the police station.

517
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 9: The police were there, they saw what was happening, didn't

518
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Speaker 9: do anything to stop it. I spent about four hours

519
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Speaker 9: in the police station, at some points having my handcuffs

520
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:50,200
Speaker 9: taken off, being taken in to do like a preliminary

521
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 9: discussion with the police officer who told me asked me

522
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 9: if I had a lawyer. I said no, so then

523
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Speaker 9: they put me in touch with the Palatinian lawyer from Haifa.

524
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Speaker 9: She told me that I was going to be interrogated,

525
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 9: the right not to say anything, but it might be

526
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Speaker 9: in my interest to actually tell them at least what

527
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Speaker 9: had happened.

528
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Speaker 6: Then I was again puffed.

529
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Speaker 9: They let me get some water, but before I could

530
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Speaker 9: drink from the water bottle, they rehandcuffed me, beat me

531
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Speaker 9: some more, and then uncock me, took me back, did

532
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Speaker 9: the interrogation, and at that point the police officer started

533
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:27,919
Speaker 9: asking me what was your opinion of October seventh? Are

534
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 9: you affiliated with any anti Israel groups? Are you taking

535
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Speaker 9: money from them? And I said, I don't see how

536
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 9: these questions are any way relevant. Are you going to

537
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 9: ask me about all the bruises that are all over

538
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 9: my body?

539
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Speaker 6: And he said no? And I told them and he said,

540
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 6: why are you in Israel? And I said, I'm not

541
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Speaker 6: in Israel.

542
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Speaker 9: I mean I was hooded for some period of time,

543
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Speaker 9: so unless you've taken me out of Hebron, I'm not

544
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Speaker 9: in Israel. And he said, yes, you are, and then

545
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 9: he tried to ask me where I had been staying

546
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 9: and who I was affiliate with locally. I refused to

547
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Speaker 9: answer those questions because I didn't want other people to

548
00:27:58,800 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 9: be put in harm's way.

549
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Speaker 6: And I also told him I didn't recognize that.

550
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Speaker 9: He had any legitimacy as a law enforcement officer because

551
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Speaker 9: he had no interest in conducting and actual investigation.

552
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Speaker 6: And then I was booked.

553
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Speaker 9: I mean, I guess like I was fingerprinted, They did

554
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Speaker 9: the full biometric skin on my face, they took my

555
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Speaker 9: mug shots, and I mean it just went back and

556
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Speaker 9: forth between these procedural things that was odd. I mean,

557
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 9: there was this weird like juxtaposition of like kind of

558
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 9: benign procedural stuff with just beating the hell out of

559
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 9: me and just this really casual attitude toward just sadistics treatment.

560
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 9: I could hear another pallete stating a guy around the

561
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Speaker 9: corner from me being I imagine beaten severely because he

562
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 9: was screaming his head off. I couldn't see him, so

563
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 9: I yelled three palatine, got beaten some more, and then

564
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 9: just mockery like pulding cameras in my face and a

565
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 9: presumably taking pictures for Instagram, and I just said, right

566
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 9: into their camera, I said, look, whenever this is translated

567
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 9: into Hebrew, I want you all to know I'm surrounded

568
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Speaker 9: by six heavily armed men.

569
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Speaker 6: Well, I'm handcuffed and I was taken here because I

570
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 6: was taking pictures. You guys are not on the right

571
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Speaker 6: side of history, et cetera.

572
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Speaker 3: When when they're when they're hitting you, you said they

573
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 3: mostly avoided your face, Like where would they where would

574
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 3: they hit you?

575
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 4: What would they what would they hit you with?

576
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Speaker 6: How many of the back of the head, back of

577
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 6: the head.

578
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Speaker 9: Occasionally they would like try to sit next to me

579
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 9: or on top of me, just to try and intimidate me.

580
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 9: And so if I would move away or I when

581
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 9: they're taking my picture, I would stand up and tell

582
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 9: them to stop, and they would hit me or put

583
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 9: use pressure points, like on the inside of my neck.

584
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 9: A lot of this was like, uh, what are called

585
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 9: stress positions where they would take my head and force

586
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 9: it down so hard that it felt like the back

587
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Speaker 9: of my like my neck was going to break, putting

588
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 9: their knees on their elbows on top of my head,

589
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 9: but like against my hairline so that you couldn't see

590
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Speaker 9: the bruise. A lot of the beating was like on

591
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 9: the hairline so that the bruises aren't as easy to see.

592
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 9: I mean, I do have bruises on my body. I

593
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 9: mean you could see like a little bit on my

594
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 9: wrists here, et cetera. But most of it was done

595
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Speaker 9: in a way to seem it was left intended not

596
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 9: to leave marks. And again I'm sure had I been Palestinian,

597
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 9: the treatment would have been far far more so.

598
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Speaker 5: Do and what, if anything, have you heard since being

599
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 5: released from the Israeli government? What's it just the general

600
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 5: reaction since the video has gone viral? What has the

601
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Speaker 5: response been like?

602
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Speaker 9: So the charges weren't clear at all. I was told

603
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Speaker 9: something along the lines of obstructing with the police action

604
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 9: you can see from the video that I provided you guys,

605
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 9: like the last thing thankfully that actually was recorded. They're

606
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 9: charging me, and at no point they told me to

607
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 9: stop filming, right, So the idea that I was in

608
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 9: any way interfering is preposterous, not that that would even

609
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 9: justify what they had done to me. The response has

610
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 9: been from and I do need to be careful, I

611
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 9: think in some ways. But what I understand at this

612
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 9: point is I've not been formally charged with anything. I'm

613
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 9: just under suspicion of what I have no idea, and

614
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Speaker 9: I've been banned from the city of Hibron for fifteen

615
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 9: days from last Saturday, which honestly seems pretty light. Some people,

616
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 9: some good friends of mine, I believe, swung it to

617
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 9: action very swiftly, and I understand that congress people and

618
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 9: other journalists, etc.

619
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Speaker 6: Were contacted. I don't know.

620
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Speaker 9: I haven't even had a chance to catch up because

621
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 9: I'm still just dealing with this. All happened four days ago,

622
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 9: so I'm still just kind of recovering. And then on

623
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 9: the internet, I mean that all seems to go viral

624
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 9: and about a day, and I mean people reaching out to.

625
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 6: Me privately, like through social media.

626
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 9: It's just been amazing, Like I don't think I've had

627
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 9: one single and like I can't even keep up with

628
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 9: all the messages. It's all been just supportive and that's

629
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 9: been validating and also just it's done a lot to

630
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 9: help me kind of process that experience. And it's also

631
00:31:56,600 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 9: just that experience is humbling also, and like I don't

632
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 9: know that I could have handled two days of that,

633
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 9: And there's people that have been locked up for months,

634
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 9: years and treated worse than me. The entire times. Those

635
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 9: are the people that have been that are still alive.

636
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 9: Like I am not a particularly great person. I just

637
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 9: had I just had enough. And everybody has their point

638
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 9: where they just feel like, look like.

639
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 6: Silence.

640
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Speaker 9: The silence is no longer an option, and that like

641
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 9: what everybody has been saying from university campuses all around

642
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 9: the world for the last nineteen months.

643
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 6: I stand in solidarity with them. I stand in solidarity

644
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 6: with the with the Palatinian people, and.

645
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 9: I also feel like the people who are perpetrating these crimes,

646
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 9: we could feel like there is no place where they

647
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 9: can be will be able to not be exposed to

648
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 9: shame for their behavior, including including Palestine itself.

649
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 3: Did any of the people, any of the officers that

650
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 3: you interacted with throughout the entire time, express any concern

651
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 3: or reservations that they might be screwing up by doing

652
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 3: this to an American, Not in the slightest.

653
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:11,239
Speaker 9: Not in the slightest, I mean, who knows what's going

654
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:12,959
Speaker 9: on in their head and whether or not that they

655
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 9: pulled their punches a bit, But I mean they knew

656
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 9: where I was from. I did speak to a few

657
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 9: of them in English, and there were then there were

658
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Speaker 9: idf soldiers who came. I became like this point of

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Speaker 9: curiosity where more and more of them kept coming and

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Speaker 9: like asking me like what are you doing here?

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Speaker 6: They were asking me like how do you feel about Eurovision?

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Speaker 6: The bizarre questions right.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, because they got like s another from Eurovision

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Speaker 4: or something. But this is like great.

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Speaker 9: Before I think those were just it was just so

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Speaker 9: freaking surreal. Sorry on so many levels. Yes, and while

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Speaker 9: this is happening, and they were also just I kept

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Speaker 9: talking because of the adrenaline and its telling them, look like,

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Speaker 9: can somebody translate the word coward for me? Please tell

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Speaker 9: them all? And I'm like counting. Some of them spoke Arabic,

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Speaker 9: like they're Arabic speaking Israeli's Arab Israeli them assuming and

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Speaker 9: one said his family was from Yemen originally, and so

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Speaker 9: I just counted off in Arabic. You know, want it

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Speaker 9: the auto Scottie like soldiers? There's six soldiers, one journalist.

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Speaker 9: Why it's the hotey Like with my hands behind my back,

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Speaker 9: you really feel brave. This is something that you're going

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Speaker 9: to be proud of showing on Instagram wherever you're planning

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Speaker 9: on posting this. So no zero, I mean I talked

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Speaker 9: to the police officer. He kept repeating things that I

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Speaker 9: can't repeat. Every time I would tell him, look like,

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Speaker 9: are you embarrassed? Because he could close the door periodically

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Speaker 9: and let them rough me up more than I would

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Speaker 9: tell him, Look, you do realize what's happening when you

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Speaker 9: shut the door and you just ignored me.

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Speaker 6: No, they'll concern at all.

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Speaker 5: Tell people where they can go to find your work.

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Speaker 9: Sure, they can find my podcast, which I'm going to

688
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Speaker 9: be relaunching at Latitude Adjustment pod dot com or just

689
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Speaker 9: find Latitude Adjustment Podcasts at Spotify, Apple, wherever you listen

690
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Speaker 9: to them. And also you can find me on social

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Speaker 9: media on Instagram at mathematics.

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Speaker 6: My name is Eric Maddicks.

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Speaker 3: Well, Eric, thank you so much for joining us, and

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Speaker 3: we wish you safe travels back to the United States

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Speaker 3: whenever you decide.

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Speaker 4: To come home.

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Speaker 5: President Trump made a significant announcement about the United States

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Speaker 5: is impending Golden Dome in the Oval Office yesterday. Let's

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Speaker 5: go ahead and roll B one to get a flavor

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Speaker 5: of how Donald Trump described this project and pleased.

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Speaker 10: To announce that we have officially selected an architecture for

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Speaker 10: this state of the art system. That we'll deploy next

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Speaker 10: generation technologies across the land, sea, in space, including space

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Speaker 10: based sensors and interceptors. And Canada has called us and

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Speaker 10: they want to be a part of it, so we'll

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Speaker 10: be talking to them.

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Speaker 11: They want to have protection also, so as usual, we

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Speaker 11: help Canada who the best we can.

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Speaker 10: This design for the Golden Dome will integrate with our

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Speaker 10: existing defense capabilities and should be fully operational before the end.

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Speaker 11: Of my term, so we haven't done in about three years.

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Speaker 10: Once fully constructed, the Golden Dome will be capable of

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Speaker 10: intercepting missiles even if they are launched from other sides

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Speaker 10: of the world, and even if they are launched from space,

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Speaker 10: and we will have the best system ever built. As

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Speaker 10: you know, we helped Israel with THEIRS and it was

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Speaker 10: very successful, and now we have technology that's even far

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Speaker 10: advanced from that. But including hypersonic missiles, ballistic missiles, and

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Speaker 10: advanced cruise missiles.

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Speaker 11: All of them will be knocked out of the air.

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Speaker 10: We will truly be completing the job that President Reagan

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Speaker 10: started forty years ago, forever ending the missile threat to

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Speaker 10: the American homeland. And the success rate is very close

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Speaker 10: to one hundred percent, which is incredible when you think

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Speaker 10: of it, You're shooting bullets out of the year. I'm

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Speaker 10: also pleased to report that the One Big, Beautiful Bill

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Speaker 10: will include twenty five billion dollars for the Golden Dome

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Speaker 10: to help construction get underway.

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Speaker 11: That's the initial sort of a down post, and we have.

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Speaker 10: Probably you're talking about general, we're talking about one hundred

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Speaker 10: and seventy five billion dollars total cost of this when

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Speaker 10: it's completed.

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Speaker 5: Well, according to The New York Times, that was actually

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Speaker 5: also a suggest The Defense Department suggested the Golden Dome moniker,

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Speaker 5: knowing that it would probably appeal to Donald Trump's like

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Speaker 5: Israel's got an iron dome, Donald Trump, you need a

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Speaker 5: golden dome.

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Speaker 6: A little bit.

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Speaker 3: Ballsy, though, for him to go for that, when he

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Speaker 3: spent years with Democrats accusing him of taking a golden shower,

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Speaker 3: He's going to have a golden dome preventing us from

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Speaker 3: things raining down on us.

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Speaker 5: Actually, I take that back. He probably does think about that,

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Speaker 5: of course. Yeah, he's very deeply.

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Speaker 4: Irritated by Yes, yes, he was bothered by that one.

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Speaker 5: Well, maybe the Pentagon. Actually this is really a way

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Speaker 5: to continue embarrassing doal Trump the Defense Department, but it

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Speaker 5: will be a pretty penny for the contractors in all likelihood.

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Speaker 5: Lockheed Martin CEO is on Fox and Friends this morning

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Speaker 5: saying it will be built domestically. Trump is saying it'll

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Speaker 5: come in at about one hundred and seventy five billion dollars,

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Speaker 5: which seems impossibly low. The Congressional Budget Office is putting

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Speaker 5: that more at five hundred and forty two billion, which

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Speaker 5: in the context annually.

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Speaker 4: He said two to three years. CBO says twenty years.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And in the context of an annual defense budget,

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Speaker 5: that's more than two trillion dollars. It's not insane to

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Speaker 5: propose a half a trillion dollar idea that could hypothetically

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Speaker 5: protect the country from missiles, and if it does what

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Speaker 5: the Trump administration wants it to do, which is enormously ambitious, but.

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Speaker 3: Missiles shot by who Normally, when you, of course, can

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Speaker 3: fox some one of these things, like you, you have

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Speaker 3: first spent the like propaganda capital to sufficiently scare the

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Speaker 3: public into believing that a particular boogeyman or boogiey woman

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Speaker 3: is going to be shooting missiles at us. And so

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Speaker 3: therefore we need to spend all this money on a

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Speaker 3: you know, you have to give five hundred billion dollars

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Speaker 3: to Elon Musk to like build this thing because the

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Speaker 3: scary people that we've told you about are going to

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Speaker 3: attack us.

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Speaker 4: He just skipped right over that, Like are we such pushovers?

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Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 3: We don't even need to be propagandized into interfere We're

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Speaker 3: just like, okay, sure, go for it.

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Speaker 4: Like who's who's shooting missiles at US?

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Speaker 6: I mean, sum.

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Speaker 4: Maybe, but no Iran?

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Speaker 5: No.

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Speaker 4: I mean, we're reaching to deal with them. North Korea

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Speaker 4: is it's his best friend? Russia? Is it Russia?

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Speaker 5: It's China? It could be anyone, that's the point.

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Speaker 11: I mean.

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Speaker 4: And if it's China, come on, you think they can't

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Speaker 4: get through a whatever Elon Musk puts together.

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Speaker 5: I think the rate of technological advancement has has been

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Speaker 5: so rapid that the world feels like an extremely scary place,

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Speaker 5: to the point where people don't need to be propagandized

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Speaker 5: into some type of signal an urgent single problem. Although

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Speaker 5: it's probably no coincidence that it's happening as the negotiations

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Speaker 5: with Iran are unfolding, either, I mean, it would be.

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Speaker 4: Cool if star wars.

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Speaker 3: Could you know, first kind of break the fiscal back

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Speaker 3: of the Soviet Union and then break the fiscal.

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Speaker 4: Back of the United States. It could kill two empires

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Speaker 4: without ever actually getting built.

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Speaker 5: Well, you know that's I mean, it's a complete parallel

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Speaker 5: obviously to the Reagan years because on the other side,

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Speaker 5: Donald Trump is working on a massive tax cut proposition

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Speaker 5: right now. So as they're you know, sort of as

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Speaker 5: you have your your deficit hawks freaking out about spending,

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Speaker 5: you're also about cutting spending and using taxes to aspirationally

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Speaker 5: juice the economy, then you're also trying to increase defense

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Speaker 5: spending significantly with a massive expenditure here not Trump says

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Speaker 5: again that he I mean, he's putting it way lower

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Speaker 5: than the CBO estimate. That's half a trillion dollars, which is,

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Speaker 5: you know, a significant chunk of the annual defense budget.

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Speaker 5: But you know, I think it's if it were to

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Speaker 5: do what it said it would do, it would be

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Speaker 5: a big deal.

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Speaker 4: Now, Trump also the budget, so.

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Speaker 3: They think about this, they're estimating a particular cost for

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Speaker 3: a weapons project, has it ever come in under ever

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Speaker 3: in the history of the world, So this would be

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Speaker 3: the first one to come in under and it's going

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Speaker 3: to come in at ninety under.

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Speaker 6: YEA.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so it sounds good. Yeah, it sounds like a deal.

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Speaker 5: So but again, here's bid for this.

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Speaker 3: Probably I will not build something and take five hundred

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Speaker 3: billion dollars.

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Speaker 5: You will automatically be competitive, excellent with the rest of

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Speaker 5: the contractors, and you could just take it like a

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Speaker 5: ten year vacation.

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Speaker 6: Two.

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Speaker 5: Oh, Boeing's going to do Air Force one. Don't worry

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Speaker 5: about it.

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Speaker 4: They're on it. So it's taken them a decade for

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Speaker 4: Air Force one.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, this should be nothing.

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Speaker 4: We're going to build this in two years.

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Speaker 5: So the parallels to the nineteen eighties continued. Donald Trump

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Speaker 5: was on Capitol Hill yesterday trying to negotiate with House

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Speaker 5: Republicans in particular, who want to pass their bill. Actually

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Speaker 5: they want to pass it today and send it over

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Speaker 5: to the Senate because they really want to. First of all,

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Speaker 5: they want, Johnson said, an genuinely arbitrary deadline of Memorial Day.

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Speaker 5: But from his perspective, if you don't set a deadline,

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Speaker 5: then this is going to bleed into the fall. And

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Speaker 5: so they really I think they want to do this

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Speaker 5: by fourth of July. From the Senate side. We'll see

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Speaker 5: how reasonable that is. But they actually were marking up

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Speaker 5: the bill until what like six am just today. Once again,

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Speaker 5: all those staffers pouring out for them tonight. They've they've

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Speaker 5: had a rough couple of weeks. But let's take a

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Speaker 5: listen to Donald Trump after that meeting, chatting with reporters,

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Speaker 5: and bear in mind that this is, I think a

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Speaker 5: parallel with the nineteen eighties in an interesting sense that

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Speaker 5: Republicans are trying to get a limited government stimulus. It's

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Speaker 5: the extent that you can call it that while also

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Speaker 5: blowing up the deficit past. And now you're going to

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Speaker 5: face questions just like this one B three.

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Speaker 12: You campaign of lowering the price of groceries, Holy justify.

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Speaker 11: Cutting through this sisiness and the sill. Let me, let

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Speaker 11: me just tell you.

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Speaker 10: The cut is going to give everybody much more food

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Speaker 10: because prices are coming way down.

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Speaker 11: Groceries are down. Eggs. You told me about eggs. You

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Speaker 11: asked me a question about eggs my first week. You

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Speaker 11: said eggs. I said, I just got here. Told me

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Speaker 11: about eggs, and there's going through them. If you know

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Speaker 11: that eggs now way down, everybody's buying.

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Speaker 10: Eggs groceries down Energy's down gasoline is.

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Speaker 11: Now buying the buying gasoline now for a dollar ninety nine.

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Speaker 5: Yes, and eggs, I mean week one.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: He had a great interaction with a reporter. This was

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Speaker 5: Reese Gorman from NAUS. So notice, yeah, I'm.

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Speaker 4: With Trump on this one.

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Speaker 5: Yes. Same. This is before Andy.

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Speaker 9: Harris said that you've didn't adequately convince enough people to

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Speaker 9: open the builder?

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Speaker 6: How free?

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Speaker 11: And you mean after this speech? They said, well, what

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Speaker 11: do we see have to loads? I think it was

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Speaker 11: a great great talk. Was in speech talked about that

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Speaker 11: who do you work for?

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Speaker 6: Nerds?

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Speaker 11: Who nurse? I don't even know what they all that is.

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Speaker 4: Get yourself a real job, get a haircut, and get

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Speaker 4: a job.

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Speaker 5: You were listening to that. What you missed was Mike

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Speaker 5: Johnson awkwardly standing next to Donald Trump trying not to

883
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Speaker 5: bust out laughing the entire exchange.

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Speaker 4: Trump is funny. We gotta give him that.

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Speaker 5: Oh he is funny now. B five though, is an

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Speaker 5: interesting development as well. This is Wall Street Journals Olivia

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Speaker 5: Beaver saying that when Donald Trump was delivering his message

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Speaker 5: about Medicaid, which is basically he doesn't want cuts that

889
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Speaker 5: don't have anything to do with quote waste Frawden abuse.

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Speaker 5: He said about the Freedom Caucus quote I love the

891
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Speaker 5: Freedom Caucus. Please leave them alone. Freedom Caucus are my guys.

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Speaker 4: How do you square that you don't?

893
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Speaker 9: You don't.

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Speaker 3: Freedom Caucuss are his guys who want drastic medicaid cuts. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Trump says, don't do drastic medicaid cuts, but also leave

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Speaker 3: my guys alone. It goes back that thing where like

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Speaker 3: the number one thing he cares about is do people

898
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Speaker 3: like him? And freem cos people are clear that they

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Speaker 3: like him, and he prefers that to them, agreeing with

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Speaker 3: his populist policy of We're not actually going to hurt

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Speaker 3: poor people to do this tax cut for the rich.

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Speaker 5: No, it hasn't always been that way. So when Chip

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Speaker 5: Roy has pushed back on Trump, like raising the debt

904
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Speaker 5: ceiling for example, Trump has absolutely.

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Speaker 4: Exploded on right primary you and yeah.

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Speaker 5: So, I mean, I'm curious how long this lasts. He

907
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Speaker 5: does seem to be much more sympathetic to negotiating with

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Speaker 5: the HFC guys than with Mike Lawler. This is the

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Speaker 5: next element for the screen. This is a post from

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Speaker 5: our friend Jake Sherman at punch Bowl. If he missed

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Speaker 5: that segment a couple weeks ago. Just put it into

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Speaker 5: your YouTube browser. Breaking Points punch bowl Sherman says that

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Speaker 5: Trump went up to Lawler from the informal Salt Caucus

914
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Speaker 5: and said, quote, I know your district better than you. Two.

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Speaker 5: If you because of salt, you were going to lose anyway.

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Speaker 5: And that is because Lawler is pushing for obviously a

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Speaker 5: higher cap on the salt deduction than the thirty thousand dollars,

918
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Speaker 5: which is, by the way, all we're already very generous.

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Speaker 5: It's already tripling the current deduction, so quite amusing.

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Speaker 3: And quote there from Trump, Lawla represents the Hudson Valley

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Speaker 3: district north of Manhattan.

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Speaker 4: Trump might actually know it better than him.

923
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Speaker 3: His point is an interesting one, and it's one that

924
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Speaker 3: I've made a mirror version of on the left at

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Speaker 3: times like where it's like, look, you're not actually going

926
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Speaker 3: to lose over this, so just go ahead and do it.

927
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Speaker 3: And if you do lose over it, you were actually

928
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Speaker 3: going to lose anyway. So I actually I agree, I

929
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Speaker 3: agree with Trump's analysis, and it's I think it is

930
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Speaker 3: actually quite possible that he does not Lawler's district better

931
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Speaker 3: than he does the salt thing if if you're not

932
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Speaker 3: familiar with it, it means it stands for state and

933
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Speaker 3: local tax deduction. If you are upper middle class in

934
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Speaker 3: a place like the Hudson Valley and you have a

935
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Speaker 3: million dollar house or a one point five million dollar house,

936
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Speaker 3: even if you're making let's say three hundred thousand dollars

937
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Speaker 3: a years, is a huge amount of money. You know,

938
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Speaker 3: all of it's going to pay this house. And then

939
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Speaker 3: at the end of the year you get hit with

940
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Speaker 3: these high state and local taxes. And it used to

941
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Speaker 3: be that you could deduct all of those off of

942
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Speaker 3: your federal taxes. Now now there's a cap on that

943
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Speaker 3: they want to raise the.

944
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Speaker 4: Cap so it would basically be a very big tax

945
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Speaker 4: cut for people who live in like million dollar homes.

946
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Speaker 5: Yeah, yep, no exactly. And so let's combine all of

947
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Speaker 5: this together.

948
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Speaker 4: And those are Lawlre's people.

949
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Speaker 5: Those are Lawyer's people. And Trump to the to the

950
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Speaker 5: point about he was making about the Freedom Caucus and

951
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Speaker 5: about Lawler. What that gives right now is leverage for

952
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Speaker 5: the Freedom Caucus to continue pushing for cuts. And when

953
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Speaker 5: you ask, how do you square it to the quote

954
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Speaker 5: waste fraud and abuse that they see in Medicaid. And

955
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Speaker 5: the problem is you have to be able to find

956
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Speaker 5: sufficient waste, fraud, and abuse and do it quickly enough,

957
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Speaker 5: because part of their frustration is a lot of this

958
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 5: is funny business with the CBO projections in order to

959
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Speaker 5: make the numbers work. It's still blowing up. What four

960
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Speaker 5: trillion dollars, isn't it. I have to check the number exactly,

961
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Speaker 5: but it's still a budget busting bill and that's.

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Speaker 3: A really what they'll what they'll say is that you're

963
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Speaker 3: pushing all of the cuts to Medicaid down the road,

964
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Speaker 3: and when we get to down the road, you'll undo

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Speaker 3: the cuts. So you'll take the tax cuts now and

966
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Speaker 3: you'll pay for them by promising to hurt poor people later.

967
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Speaker 3: But when it actually gets to it, you won't do

968
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Speaker 3: it because you'll realize, oh wait, we're working class party. Now,

969
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Speaker 3: we're actually going after our own people who don't believe

970
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Speaker 3: that they're getting a government handout just by their parents

971
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Speaker 3: being covered by Medica or them being covered by Medicaid. Well,

972
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Speaker 3: this is because we've worked our whole lives, and you

973
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Speaker 3: know this is health insurance for us. It's for our

974
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Speaker 3: parents or for our children who are suffering.

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Speaker 5: It's particularly difficult when it's juxtaposed with other elements of

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Speaker 5: the bill. For example, a massive corporate tax cut. So

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Speaker 5: if you're going from twenty one percent to fifteen percent

978
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Speaker 5: for corporations, yes, there would be there's some projections that

979
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,839
Speaker 5: say this this would be tax relief. I mean every

980
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Speaker 5: projection basically says this would be tax relief for the

981
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 5: middle class. The question is is it more tax relief

982
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Speaker 5: for the rich than it is for the middle class.

983
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 5: Some that's going to depend on what happens with Salt,

984
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Speaker 5: But I think it's especially difficult when you're passing a

985
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Speaker 5: big corporate tax cut to then also go after a

986
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Speaker 5: quote unquote waste fraud and abuse in medicaid. I think

987
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Speaker 5: that's something that people like chip Roy are aware of

988
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:56,439
Speaker 5: and know that needs to be done sensitively, but also

989
00:49:56,480 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 5: are saying we've staked out the amount of the amount

990
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Speaker 5: of political capital that we have put behind DOGE. For example,

991
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Speaker 5: if you're Chip Roy, if you're a Freedom Caucus member,

992
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Speaker 5: if you're Trump supporting member of the House of Representatives,

993
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Speaker 5: your district is pro Trump, you have put political capital

994
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Speaker 5: on the line for DOGE to cut waste fraud and

995
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Speaker 5: abuse and to cut government spending, and now you're being

996
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Speaker 5: asked to support a big spending bill. It raises the

997
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Speaker 5: debt ceiling by four trillion dollars. I'm reading a rundown

998
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 5: here from Politico of what's in the bill right now.

999
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 5: It spends three point eight trillion to lock in the

1000
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Speaker 5: tax cuts. You know. It's there's the car loan deduction,

1001
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Speaker 5: so interest on car loan deductions. That's a good thing.

1002
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 5: Child tax credit increased by five hundred dollars, although some

1003
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 5: people really want that to be a lot higher. Great

1004
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 5: tax hike on university endowments, so that goes from one

1005
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 5: point four percent to twenty one percent. But it would

1006
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Speaker 5: cut six hundred and twenty five billion dollars through medicaid

1007
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Speaker 5: that right now, as political puts it is quote largely

1008
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Speaker 5: through new work requirements, and as CBO puts, it would

1009
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Speaker 5: quote lead to eight point six million more people losing

1010
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Speaker 5: their health insurance. It phases out clean energy programs, which

1011
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:12,359
Speaker 5: have been sort of I'm not a fan of most

1012
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 5: of what that's done. It has been something of an

1013
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:17,399
Speaker 5: industrial policy, and localities around the country over recent years

1014
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 5: they do want to cut back food stamps in certain

1015
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 5: education programs. So the headlines if this bill passes over

1016
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 5: the next year or so are definitely difficult. When the

1017
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 5: bill also had a big corporate or will have a

1018
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 5: big corporate tax cut and all of that stuff in

1019
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:32,319
Speaker 5: it too.

1020
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Speaker 3: It's also idiotic just on a fiscal level, in the

1021
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 3: sense that, oh, you're going to save money by kicking

1022
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 3: seven million people off of health insurance.

1023
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 4: Okay, let's explore this magical thinking for a moment.

1024
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 3: Are these seven million people going to all of a

1025
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 3: sudden not get sick and never need any medical treatment?

1026
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:55,799
Speaker 4: Because that's great.

1027
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 3: If that's the case, I support that a policy that

1028
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:03,280
Speaker 3: would make seven million people magically immune to any disease

1029
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 3: for the next seven million years or.

1030
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 4: Accidents probably not going to happen.

1031
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 3: Those people, instead of going to their doctor because they

1032
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 3: have medical insurance, are now.

1033
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 4: Going to go to the emergency department.

1034
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:19,760
Speaker 3: Emergency department is going to send them a twelve thousand

1035
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 3: dollars bill for showing up in the emergency department for

1036
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 3: whatever malay they had. That person doesn't have twelve thousand dollars.

1037
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 3: The health the hospital then is going to carve it

1038
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 3: up and send the bill out to everybody else or

1039
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 3: it was chump Canna yell at them to just eat it,

1040
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 3: like he's yelling at Walmart to eat the prices. No, like,

1041
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 3: if these people are still getting sick, we as a

1042
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 3: society are still treating them. The only difference is it's

1043
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:50,879
Speaker 3: going to cost us more to treat them because we've

1044
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 3: kicked them off health insurance. Yeah, absolutely so we're actually

1045
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 3: like even your deficit, cutting Medicaid cuts are going to

1046
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 3: long term add to everybody's costs, whether it's raising your

1047
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:08,399
Speaker 3: own cost of insurance, raising the bills that you pay,

1048
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 3: tweaking private equity to like screw you a little bit

1049
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 3: harder next time you come into one of their hospitals,

1050
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Speaker 3: or adding to the deficit.

1051
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 5: The only person or the only group of people that

1052
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 5: are are half and half system is good for right

1053
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 5: now as the same people who will benefit from this.

1054
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:28,320
Speaker 5: And it's massive like conglomerates. It's not people, it's not

1055
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:32,279
Speaker 5: the government, because we just have this mixed system. It's

1056
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 5: like half capitalist and half like democratic socialists subsidized.

1057
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 3: Right where hospitals are required to treat people right, And

1058
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:42,359
Speaker 3: I don't think anybody wants to change that law.

1059
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:47,319
Speaker 5: No, no, absolutely not. And it's completely inefficient, and it's

1060
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 5: not good for anyone except for the people who are

1061
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 5: profiting off of all of it in the meantime. So

1062
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Speaker 5: it's you know, it's going to be this entire thing.

1063
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 5: If you're the Trump administration, you have promised to make

1064
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:03,840
Speaker 5: the times permanent, and that will bring some relief to

1065
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 5: the middle class. But you've also promised to get America's

1066
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 5: fiscal house in order, and you've promised to do these

1067
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 5: massive new defense initiatives, which, by the way, is the

1068
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:16,360
Speaker 5: LOCKHEEDO is saying on Fox and Friends this morning. If

1069
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:19,400
Speaker 5: it's built domestically, that could be a that could juice

1070
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 5: the economies in places where they're manufacturing parts of it.

1071
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:23,840
Speaker 5: I don't even know what that's going to look like.

1072
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 5: I don't think anybody knows what that's really going to

1073
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 5: look like. Reagan's SDI, which sort of gets laughed at,

1074
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 5: like Star Wars sort of gets laughed at. Well. Trump

1075
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:33,800
Speaker 5: made an interesting point when he was rolling out the

1076
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,359
Speaker 5: Golden Dome announcement that he was like, Ron Reagan wanted

1077
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 5: to do this years ago, but we didn't have the technology.

1078
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 5: Now we do the technology. SDI laid the groundwork for

1079
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:45,280
Speaker 5: decades of r and d that came from that massive ambition.

1080
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 5: I'm not at all laughing at the idea of having

1081
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 5: like significant ambitions and sort of pie in the sky ideas.

1082
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 5: I actually don't think that's that insane and crazy, and

1083
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:58,320
Speaker 5: you know, we don't. It's fine to laugh at, but

1084
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 5: it doesn't always turn out to be a joke. You know.

1085
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 5: You can sort of nudge some things in the right

1086
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:06,240
Speaker 5: direction when you do that. But this is a recipe

1087
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 5: for a fiscal disaster, and everyone knows it. But Republicans

1088
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:13,280
Speaker 5: are locked in. They're locked in, and their best argument

1089
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Speaker 5: right now, what they're telling the Freedom Caucus guys, is

1090
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 5: that it's better than nothing if you're forced to choose

1091
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:21,400
Speaker 5: between the lesser of two evils. The lesser of two

1092
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Speaker 5: evils is going to be some tax relief for the

1093
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Speaker 5: middle class and some modest cuts. Because everyone knows. You know,

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Speaker 5: even though you have both Houses of Congress and the

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00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:33,920
Speaker 5: presidency and a man who is whose presidency is predicated

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Speaker 5: on a pledge to revolutionize Washington, whether you believe it

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Speaker 5: or not, you have all of the political capital in

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00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:42,880
Speaker 5: the world. And because the margin in the House is

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00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:44,800
Speaker 5: so small, you either take it or leave it, and

1100
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:47,360
Speaker 5: they can lose like two people if everyone is voting.

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Speaker 5: So I'm actually so very skeptical that this even gets

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Speaker 5: across the finish line as a one big, beautiful reconciliation bill.

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Speaker 5: It's possible that they end up having to break this up.

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Speaker 4: My bad is they figure out something.

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00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 5: The stakes are so high that it seems it seems

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00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 5: easy to imagine people compromising.

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00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:07,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's easier to agree to something that actually

1108
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 3: doesn't even make any sense.

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00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:11,759
Speaker 4: Law and then deal with the consequences later.

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00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 5: And none of this makes any sense.

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00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:15,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that would that would be that would be

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00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:21,360
Speaker 3: in line with what we normally tend to do. Let

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00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:22,320
Speaker 3: me talk about South Sudan.

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Speaker 5: Let's do it. Yeah, that's we'll go from Trump to

1115
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 5: Sudan and our tour around the world.

1116
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 3: So President Trump began by sending migrants from not El

1117
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 3: Salvador to Bukelli's prison, notorious prison in El Salvador. There

1118
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 3: were then reports that he was looking at sending people

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Speaker 3: to Libya.

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Speaker 4: There was some pushback on that. There are now reports that.

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Speaker 3: DHS has deported up to twelve migrants against court order,

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00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:58,320
Speaker 3: against an explicit court order, to South Sudan, a country

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Speaker 3: on the brink of complete collect and civil war.

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Speaker 4: Put this first element up on the screen here that

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Speaker 4: the judge has.

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00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:12,799
Speaker 3: Judge has also Judges now responded again and said, look,

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00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 3: what you need to make sure that these migrants do

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00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 3: not leave federal custody because the migrants who are in

1129
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 3: and we can talk about this no. Christy Noman was

1130
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:26,439
Speaker 3: up on the hill yesterday talking making this argument again.

1131
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 3: Rubio is making this argument as well, that look, these migrants,

1132
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 3: we'd love to you know, follow the court order and

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00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 3: you know, return the ones that the court is asking

1134
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 3: us to return, but we don't hold them anymore.

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00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:41,440
Speaker 4: Well, Kelly has them.

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Speaker 3: It's like, oh, well, what about this invoice where you're

1137
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 3: paying them to keep them. Doesn't that suggest that you

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00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 3: have some control over them? Ah, that's just basically that's

1139
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 3: that's a broad grant that doesn't apply specifically to this

1140
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 3: one individual. So this judge is saying, you violated the

1141
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 3: court order that says people have to have have a

1142
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:04,040
Speaker 3: reasonable amount of time to contest their deportation, which is

1143
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 3: not the Apparently they gave the ones that we know about,

1144
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 3: they gave them like a couple hours and not enough

1145
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 3: time to like for the lawyers to do anything, and

1146
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 3: they handed the document to me and mar deportee in

1147
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 3: English and the person doesn't speak English.

1148
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 4: They said, that's not enough time. You have to give them.

1149
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 4: You have to give them enough time, and so you

1150
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 4: have to keep.

1151
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 3: Them now in you're in your control under humanitarian and

1152
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 3: under humane conditions, so that if I order you to

1153
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 3: return them, you can't come back with some catch twenty

1154
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 3: two argument of up too bad, already let him go.

1155
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 5: I'm on Pharah right now, and there is a registered

1156
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 5: lobbyist on behalf of South Sudan who's a former Bush

1157
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:57,440
Speaker 5: administration official. So that's Joseph Slavic.

1158
00:58:58,120 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 9: I know him.

1159
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Speaker 5: But that's what I mean. It was vocal group when

1160
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 5: we were looking at what was it Libya the attempted

1161
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 5: deportations to It was Libya, wasn't it. I'm trying to

1162
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:10,680
Speaker 5: remember a couple of weeks ago.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and Libya then said basically that they wouldn't allow it.

1164
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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I don't remember. So, for to be clear,

1165
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 5: we have no idea whether or not the lobbyists facilitated that,

1166
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 5: but I did reach out to them and never got

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00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 5: a response, which seems interesting. So I'm really curious why

1168
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:33,320
Speaker 5: they're making these I think it's very interesting what negotiations

1169
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 5: are happening behind the scenes with African countries to make

1170
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 5: these deportations happen, because the United States obviously is competing

1171
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 5: like Belton Road in Africa and is trying to have

1172
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 5: relationships with some of these countries in ways that compete

1173
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:52,480
Speaker 5: with China or provide leverage over China. So there could

1174
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 5: be all kinds of interesting stuff happening behind the scenes

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Speaker 5: as to why they're making decisions for random country deportation basically, and.

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Speaker 3: It seems like this fits into the Stephen Miller I want,

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Speaker 3: I want spectacle type of action, like to send to

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Speaker 3: send somebody into a completely war.

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Speaker 4: Torn area.

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Speaker 3: Where there who God only knows what type of conditions

1181
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 3: they're going to face, you know, feels in line with

1182
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 3: his policy of like let's let's make this as vicious

1183
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Speaker 3: as possible in order to discourage any any migration. Uh So,

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01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:34,439
Speaker 3: Chris Van Holland and Marco Rubio got into it over

1185
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Speaker 3: over immigration speech and and basically the entire kind of

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Speaker 3: Trump you know, first one hundred plus days in the

1187
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:47,120
Speaker 3: Senate lest yesterday it went. It went for quite some time,

1188
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 3: seems personal. Van Holland used his entire seven minutes basically

1189
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Speaker 3: to go after Rubio, and then Rubio insisted on having

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Speaker 3: time to challenge to challenge him to come back, Let's

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01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 3: roll a little bit of it.

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Speaker 7: I have to tell you directly and personally that I

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01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 7: regret voting for you for Secretary of State.

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Speaker 4: I yield back.

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Speaker 13: I respond, well, first of all, your regret for voting

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Speaker 13: for me confirms I'm doing a good job based on

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Speaker 13: what I'm.

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Speaker 7: That's just clipping statementary.

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Speaker 13: Can I respond, mister chairman, you me I didn't.

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Speaker 7: Have, Senator, Please let the Secretary be happy to but

1201
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 7: then I can respond to his Your time's up, Senator,

1202
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:27,040
Speaker 7: and willfully used. I might add, your reminds me to

1203
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:30,760
Speaker 7: not represent the view of this committee. Well, mister Secretary, please, well.

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01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:31,000
Speaker 5: I'd like to.

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Speaker 13: I can't respond to everything he said because much of

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01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 13: these are untrue, but I'll go through a few. First

1207
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:36,520
Speaker 13: of all, I'm actually very proud of the work we've

1208
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:40,200
Speaker 13: done with USAID. For example, I don't regret cutting ten

1209
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:44,240
Speaker 13: million dollars for male circumcisions in Mozambique. I don't know

1210
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:46,480
Speaker 13: how that makes a stronger and more prosperous as a Nation.

1211
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:49,560
Speaker 13: I don't reget psychosocial support services, I raised.

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Speaker 7: I respond, Senator, I'd ask you to suspend. You had

1213
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:58,560
Speaker 7: seven straight minutes. I chose to use my time that way,

1214
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:02,680
Speaker 7: mister Chairman, that's my pleast suspend that way. Secretary Rubew, Well,

1215
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Speaker 7: I can go on.

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Speaker 13: I mean, there's other things here. We spent two hundred

1217
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:07,720
Speaker 13: and twenty seven thousand dollars for Big Cat's YouTube channel

1218
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 13: from usaid, we spent fourteen million dollars for social cohesion

1219
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:14,560
Speaker 13: in Mali, whatever the hell that means. So I can

1220
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:15,880
Speaker 13: go on and on. I got the list here, and

1221
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:17,439
Speaker 13: there's more that I didn't even bring the whole list.

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01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 13: In the case of El Salvador, absolutely absolutely we deported

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01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:24,480
Speaker 13: gang members, gang members, including the one you had a

1224
01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 13: margarita with, and that guy is a human trafficker, and

1225
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 13: that guy is a gang banger, and that and the

1226
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:34,000
Speaker 13: evidence is going to be clear in the days of WA.

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Speaker 4: Rubio has the floor.

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Speaker 7: Chairman, he can't make unsubstantiated like that. Secretary Rubio has

1229
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Speaker 7: the floor. Pedrick Rubio should take that testimony the federal Fenator,

1230
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:46,240
Speaker 7: United States, because he hasn't done it under oath.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's something else.

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01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:54,160
Speaker 3: To me from from Rubio, because he has been one

1233
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 3: of the Senate's most vocal defenders of USAID for his

1234
01:02:59,080 --> 01:03:04,439
Speaker 3: entire political career, and now he's kind of hot. He's

1235
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:08,080
Speaker 3: distancing himself from all of that support by finding a

1236
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:10,520
Speaker 3: few kind of ridiculous, woke things that he can point

1237
01:03:10,560 --> 01:03:15,800
Speaker 3: to when he has supported it as as an apparatus

1238
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 3: of the of US foreign.

1239
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:19,160
Speaker 4: Policy, you know, for for many, many years.

1240
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:21,800
Speaker 3: To say that you had a margarita with this, the

1241
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:24,920
Speaker 3: bou Kelly like dropped the margarita on the table between

1242
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:28,160
Speaker 3: Van hollend and Abrio Garcia when Van Holland was an

1243
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:29,960
Speaker 3: l Salvador and then quick snapped the picture.

1244
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 4: Get serious here, man, I like how.

1245
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:36,640
Speaker 5: You pivots from like Chomsky to Stephen Miller in like

1246
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:38,600
Speaker 5: half a second. And he's like going through all this

1247
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:42,280
Speaker 5: ridiculous soft power usai D bullshit, and then it's like, so, yes,

1248
01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:45,200
Speaker 5: we did deport people to El Salvatory.

1249
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:48,960
Speaker 3: It's like zero to sixty yeah, And he's like, and

1250
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:51,840
Speaker 3: we and the evidence will show It's like, well, from

1251
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:54,080
Speaker 3: Van Holland's perspective, it's like, okay, how about when the

1252
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:57,880
Speaker 3: evidence does show that you present it in somewhere where

1253
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:00,680
Speaker 3: we can adjudicate it. You don't tell us that in

1254
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:02,520
Speaker 3: the future we're going to present this evidence.

1255
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:05,520
Speaker 5: You know. Tybee had a really good post about the

1256
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:09,840
Speaker 5: Ozark situation and how he and he brought.

1257
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:10,760
Speaker 4: Up Oster a couple of times.

1258
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Speaker 3: He's like, because Rubyo is like, look, you come here,

1259
01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:16,200
Speaker 3: you burn down buildings which didn't happen, somebody did break

1260
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:20,080
Speaker 3: a window, and you disrupt classes.

1261
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Speaker 4: Then you know we're going to kick you out. And

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01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:24,960
Speaker 4: he's like, did rams of oz turn through that? All

1263
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Speaker 4: she did was co author and op ed.

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Speaker 5: And that's Ruby did not answer that question. And so yeah,

1265
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:34,840
Speaker 5: this is the Your point about Rubio is an interesting one,

1266
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:38,880
Speaker 5: a really interesting one. Actually, I'm with it, Like I'm

1267
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Speaker 5: applauding all of that except for the El Salvador oz

1268
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:46,720
Speaker 5: Turk insanity. And Taybi had a good post actually where

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01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:49,680
Speaker 5: he's he's taken some heat for saying at one point

1270
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:53,120
Speaker 5: that the Secretary of State is claiming there's going to

1271
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:57,840
Speaker 5: be evidence that these people harmed national security in some

1272
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:01,720
Speaker 5: significant way to warrant the revocation of their visas, because

1273
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:05,320
Speaker 5: he has the power to do it if legally, if

1274
01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:09,120
Speaker 5: they are a harm, if their threat to American foreign policy.

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01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:11,400
Speaker 5: That's the law that allows them to revoke the visa.

1276
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:15,520
Speaker 5: And so Tayabe is saying that's such a significant claim,

1277
01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:18,680
Speaker 5: there must be At one point he said something like

1278
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:21,080
Speaker 5: he was like, maybe there isn't more evidence, but maybe

1279
01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:24,520
Speaker 5: there is. And so he was like, it doesn't there's

1280
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:27,680
Speaker 5: some reason to say, like maybe there's something else going

1281
01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:31,880
Speaker 5: on here and it's never materialized, right, And so Taybi

1282
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:34,120
Speaker 5: wrote a really I think it was like I forget

1283
01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:36,120
Speaker 5: the title of it. It was fantastic and everyone should

1284
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:39,080
Speaker 5: go read it, but just being like, screw this over

1285
01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:41,120
Speaker 5: and over again. You know, you can look at these

1286
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:47,320
Speaker 5: examples with the visa revocations where it seems like they're eluding,

1287
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:49,720
Speaker 5: and Ruby in particular seems like they're alluding to something

1288
01:05:50,120 --> 01:05:54,560
Speaker 5: and it never materializes. So that, I mean, he doubles

1289
01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:56,720
Speaker 5: triples down in that exchange with Van Hannen says we're

1290
01:05:56,720 --> 01:05:59,160
Speaker 5: going to keep doing it, which from a communications perspective

1291
01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:01,240
Speaker 5: is exactly the right thing to do. I mean, to

1292
01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:03,120
Speaker 5: not shy away from it and to not look like

1293
01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:06,240
Speaker 5: you're wishy washy. So just from like a messaging standpoint, cynically,

1294
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:07,760
Speaker 5: it's exactly the right thing to do.

1295
01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:11,640
Speaker 4: But was it the case of Rumesa Ostark is that

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Speaker 4: his piece timeline.

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Speaker 5: No, the timeline is good too. I'm explaining to do

1298
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:19,560
Speaker 5: it might be that I'll find it. But anyway, the

1299
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:23,360
Speaker 5: State Department, I don't know if you get this sense either.

1300
01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:29,240
Speaker 5: I think it's called ode to scum. But yeah, I

1301
01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:30,920
Speaker 5: don't know if you get this impression either. But it

1302
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:32,800
Speaker 5: does seem to me like the State Department actually has

1303
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:38,160
Speaker 5: slowed down on the visa revocations, the visa revocations, and

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01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:41,840
Speaker 5: they haven't done another like deportation to Al Salvador. They're

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Speaker 5: doing the South Sudan. But how many was that? Well, yeah,

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Speaker 5: and what was the attempt for Libya was? I think

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Speaker 5: around like fifty. They're doing these smaller number attempts, and

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Speaker 5: first of all, they have a significant number of people

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Speaker 5: with actual criminal backgrounds. The said they're going to start

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Speaker 5: with the worst of the worst, even that who their

1311
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Speaker 5: problem is why they're looking turning to Africa again to

1312
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Speaker 5: be cynical, is that they have all of these people

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Speaker 5: with criminal backgrounds, even if it's nothing compared to what

1314
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Speaker 5: the eight million people that they claim to want to deport,

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Speaker 5: they have tens of thousands of people that they need

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Speaker 5: to deport. If they say they want to deport people

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01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:19,280
Speaker 5: the worst, the worst with criminal backgrounds, who's going to

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Speaker 5: take a bunch of criminals that are being deported from

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Speaker 5: the United States.

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Speaker 3: This shows why it would be helpful if the United

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Speaker 3: States was not such a bully that had such terrible

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Speaker 3: relations with so many countries around the world. For instance,

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Speaker 3: one of the people that apparently was sent to South

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Speaker 3: Sudan is Bolivian. For why does the United States have

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Speaker 3: such a bad relationship with Bolivia.

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Speaker 4: Well, we were involved with a coup.

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Speaker 3: In twenty nineteen and then an attempted coup in twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty because and Elon Musk responded by saying, we will

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Speaker 3: coup whoever we want in the context of all of

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Speaker 3: the lithium reserves that Bolivia has. So yeah, So Bolivia

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Speaker 3: is like, no, We're not going to take these people back.

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Speaker 3: So a choice for us would be to not be

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Speaker 3: thugs around the world. And then if they have a

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Speaker 3: criminal who has committed you know, who has committed crimes

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Speaker 3: in the United States and is also here illegally, then

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Speaker 3: that person would then be deported back to Bolivia, and

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01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:23,920
Speaker 3: Bolivia has no choice but to take them unless they

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Speaker 3: have a blanket policy that they don't have a relationship

1339
01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:29,479
Speaker 3: with us when it comes to that because we are

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Speaker 3: thugs who are trying to overthrow their government, which is okay,

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Speaker 3: they make a fair point.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, now while you're looking for that.

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Speaker 3: Christy Nome, DHS Secretary, was also on the Hill yesterday

1344
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Speaker 3: and I played.

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Speaker 5: This speaking of their ability to do mass deportations because

1346
01:08:50,120 --> 01:08:53,200
Speaker 5: that's why Steven Miller is floating this idea. And by

1347
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Speaker 5: the way, it was also predicated on the notion legally,

1348
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Speaker 5: it must be predicated on the notion legally, there is

1349
01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:03,280
Speaker 5: an invasion happening this government. The Trump administration says that

1350
01:09:03,360 --> 01:09:06,160
Speaker 5: they have stopped the invasion and the border crossings have

1351
01:09:06,360 --> 01:09:09,760
Speaker 5: slowed to less than a trickle. So two things can't

1352
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Speaker 5: be true at the same time, right.

1353
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Speaker 3: So Steve Miller has said that that if judges keep

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Speaker 3: ruling against them, that they're considering suspending habeas corpus. So

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Speaker 3: Maggie Hassen, new Hampshire Senator, live free or to die

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Speaker 3: state and asked.

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Speaker 4: Christy Nome a rather interesting question. Let's roll that.

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Speaker 5: So, Secretary Nome, what is habeas corpus?

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Speaker 1: Well, habeas corpus is a constitutional right that the president

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Speaker 1: has to be able to remove people from this country.

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Speaker 5: Let us spend their right. Let me let me stopbeas corpus.

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Speaker 4: Excuse me, that's that's incorrect.

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Speaker 5: Presidents corpus, Excuse me.

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Speaker 3: Now, I don't want to come off as some elitist

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Speaker 3: that everybody has to know every Latin legal term out there.

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Speaker 4: There are no doubt people watching this right now who

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Speaker 4: are like, what is habeas corpus?

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Speaker 3: I'm not even sure those people are not the Secretary

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Speaker 3: of Homeland Security.

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Speaker 4: So that's cool if you don't know that.

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Speaker 5: Whose administration is flirting with the idea of suspending the

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01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:12,839
Speaker 5: writ of habeas corporus.

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Speaker 3: And so now the person that I'm talking to you

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Speaker 3: right now who didn't know what that is, you will

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Speaker 3: know for the rest of your life what it is. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: a writ of habeus corpus means you are held illegally,

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Speaker 3: in your your opinion, by the government, and you are

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Speaker 3: able to petition for your release. It is the foundation

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Speaker 3: of a free society that that you cannot be held

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Speaker 3: for no reason and without charges. And so if you're

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Speaker 3: if you and even if you're charged with something, but

1382
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Speaker 3: you don't get a trial you can file one eventually

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01:10:43,720 --> 01:10:45,960
Speaker 3: and say, look, I'm not even getting a trial always

1384
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Speaker 3: you just charge me and you're keep me locked up here.

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Speaker 3: If you notice, at the very end, she said President

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Speaker 3: Lincoln used it, and it's.

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Speaker 5: True now, but saying using habeas corpus.

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Speaker 4: He did not. He did not round people up and

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Speaker 4: deport them.

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Speaker 5: They declare habeas corpus. It's like Michael Scott.

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Speaker 4: And bankruptcy exactly.

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Speaker 3: Like also, we had open borders then, like we did

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Speaker 3: not have this, that's not what we had this. We

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Speaker 3: didn't have this system that they that we have now.

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Speaker 3: So there was no deporting people. What what Lincoln did

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Speaker 3: do is suspend habeas corpus in the time of war

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Speaker 3: and locked up some like newspaper editors and other critics

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Speaker 3: of his.

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Speaker 4: And you you could say that there's a shame on him.

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Speaker 3: He was also operating in a revolutionary time and maybe

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Speaker 3: so maybe those were excesses.

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Speaker 4: Maybe not.

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Speaker 3: You know, he put points on the board, so I'm

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Speaker 3: not gonna sit here. I'm not gonna sit here and

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Speaker 3: second guests Lincoln. But he did he did suspend habeas corpus,

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Speaker 3: which meant that if you were a newspaper editor who

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Speaker 3: had written a mean op ed about him, which a

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Speaker 3: lot lot did and mostly from the quote unquote anti

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Speaker 3: warsaw they were these were like, you know, Southern sympathizers

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Speaker 3: who hated Lincoln and wanted the war to end and

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Speaker 3: wanted him to capitulate to the South.

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Speaker 4: Uh, he locked some of them up. And you know that.

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Speaker 4: So that my, my, my twin impulses of press, press freedom.

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Speaker 3: This is like when you smashed the South and the

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01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:25,439
Speaker 3: slave class and the planter class are in conflict there.

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Speaker 3: So that's why I'm not going to second guess Lincoln.

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Speaker 5: It's like sometimes when and I think Obama did this too,

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01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:34,240
Speaker 5: but sometimes when you are talking about China and like Ryan, relax,

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01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:37,559
Speaker 5: China was able to build things really quick.

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Speaker 4: China, we're all working, we're all working this stuff out.

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Speaker 5: It was a great question for Maggie Hassen, whoknew she

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01:12:44,080 --> 01:12:46,080
Speaker 5: didn't have any idea what that is? Well, she but

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01:12:46,160 --> 01:12:48,160
Speaker 5: this is the thing. She has an idea, so what

1424
01:12:48,280 --> 01:12:48,439
Speaker 5: it is?

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Speaker 3: And we mentioned the Lincoln thing because it shows that

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Speaker 3: she's been briefed on this, because she didn't or she

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Speaker 3: was skimming Wikipedia and just didn't absorb it. But habees

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Speaker 3: Corpus is not the right the president to deport anybody

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Speaker 3: he wants, like, or anybody at all.

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Speaker 9: You don't know.

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Speaker 3: If this were a like ninth grade Civics test, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that wouldn't even it wouldn't even occur to the test makers.

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Speaker 4: I think to make that one of the wrong answers,

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Speaker 4: that's how wrong it is.

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Speaker 5: I am actually starting to think that Christina maybe one

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01:13:20,840 --> 01:13:24,200
Speaker 5: of the first sort of top level officials in Trump

1437
01:13:24,240 --> 01:13:26,479
Speaker 5: world who leaves their post. I don't know when the

1438
01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:28,960
Speaker 5: timeline will be, but I just feel like it's not

1439
01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:30,080
Speaker 5: worth great.

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Speaker 3: Lewandowski is a patron right and he's still in well

1441
01:13:33,400 --> 01:13:37,080
Speaker 3: with Trump, right yeah, yeah, yep.

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01:13:37,320 --> 01:13:40,680
Speaker 5: I don't know if Corey Lewandowski has enough way to

1443
01:13:40,760 --> 01:13:44,280
Speaker 5: overcome Trump getting frustrated with a cabinet secretary, but.

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Speaker 3: He probably loves this, like going on Fox, I'll guss

1445
01:13:48,439 --> 01:13:49,840
Speaker 3: it up in the like ice gear.

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Speaker 5: Although there were leaks to the Wall Street Journal that

1447
01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:53,760
Speaker 5: people were internally upset.

1448
01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:55,680
Speaker 4: With that, so was Trump upset with it?

1449
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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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01:13:56,240 --> 01:13:58,760
Speaker 4: I mean, this is that's that's that's pure Trump right there.

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01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:01,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, But I think even for him, it's a lot

1452
01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:04,120
Speaker 5: you know, like if you're if and if you're getting

1453
01:14:04,160 --> 01:14:07,320
Speaker 5: some like basic stuff rung and everyone's mocking you. You know,

1454
01:14:07,439 --> 01:14:11,040
Speaker 5: it's that all the patients will workin at some point,

1455
01:14:11,360 --> 01:14:14,720
Speaker 5: and especially if it's combined with not the skuttle butt

1456
01:14:14,840 --> 01:14:18,240
Speaker 5: in like MAGA circles right now, like hardcore MAGA circles,

1457
01:14:18,439 --> 01:14:21,640
Speaker 5: Bannon World, those places. People are really really frustrated with

1458
01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:24,280
Speaker 5: the pace of deportations because that was one of his

1459
01:14:24,360 --> 01:14:26,479
Speaker 5: biggest campaign promises and that is one of the most

1460
01:14:26,479 --> 01:14:31,120
Speaker 5: important issues to MAGA world, like the MAGA grassroots and

1461
01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:34,160
Speaker 5: right now. Maybe the benefit of keeping Home around is

1462
01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:36,519
Speaker 5: that she's a convenient foil, so you can kind of

1463
01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:39,840
Speaker 5: project frustrations onto Christy Gnome rather than onto Donald Trump.

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Speaker 5: But there's significant frustrations among his grassroots supporters with the

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Speaker 5: pace of deportations.

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Speaker 3: It seemed to me that politically they finally hit on

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01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:51,880
Speaker 3: something smart recently where they started going to California jails.

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01:14:52,200 --> 01:14:53,760
Speaker 3: As you notice that, Like, so what they did is

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Speaker 3: they said, Okay, yes, this is a sanctuary city. ICE

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Speaker 3: is not allowed to interact with these the sheriffs, but

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Speaker 3: if you illegally re enter the country a second time,

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Speaker 3: that's a felony. And so what they do is they

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Speaker 3: look for people who've illegally re entered a second time

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01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:19,679
Speaker 3: and have been then arrested and are sitting in detention

1475
01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:23,280
Speaker 3: or jail or prison at a state level, and they

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Speaker 3: go in and say, Okay, we know you've been deported

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Speaker 3: once already, then you re entered, then you got arrested.

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Speaker 3: Therefore that's a felony. Therefore the sanctuary city of the

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Speaker 3: logic doesn't apply you. And here's a warrant, and we're

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Speaker 3: going to arrest you for that. And I think that

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Speaker 3: they would have ninety plus percent support from the public

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Speaker 3: on that because it's like, Okay, they've been deported once,

1483
01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:51,920
Speaker 3: they re entered, and then they got arrested again, And

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01:15:51,960 --> 01:15:56,719
Speaker 3: they would put Democrats in a really difficult position defending

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01:15:56,840 --> 01:16:01,439
Speaker 3: that chain of events, be like, well that's actually okay,

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01:16:01,479 --> 01:16:03,880
Speaker 3: you can enter multiple times illegally and commit crimes. Like

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Speaker 3: they'd have Democrats over the barrel with that. So if

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Speaker 3: I were them, I would just lean into that. But

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Speaker 3: they want they just want the viciousness, the cruelty, the spectacle.

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Speaker 5: Well, and part of it is that they think it

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Speaker 5: functions as a disincentive, and it does, I mean, but

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Speaker 5: they're also frustrated with the self deportation numbers, because that's

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Speaker 5: seen as a sort of cornerstone part of how you're

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01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:27,519
Speaker 5: able to do mass deportations is that you allow people

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01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:30,960
Speaker 5: to use CBP home as it's been dubbed, and get

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Speaker 5: you know themselves. It's like a thousand dollars subsidy for

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Speaker 5: people to return or go elsewhere outside of the United States.

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Speaker 5: Right on Thursday, the President is attending a meme coin

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Speaker 5: crypto dinner at his golf club outside of DC in Virginia,

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Speaker 5: and Marco Rubio while he was in the Senate yesterday,

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Speaker 5: got some tough questions about that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And to set the context for this, in order

1503
01:17:03,479 --> 01:17:06,840
Speaker 3: to come to this dinner, you had to be in

1504
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:11,200
Speaker 3: the top two hundred purchasers of Trump's meme coin, so

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01:17:11,320 --> 01:17:14,400
Speaker 3: you basically had to give money to Trump directly, not

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Speaker 3: even through a campaign fund directly, and then the top

1507
01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:19,880
Speaker 3: like fifteen or so get like VIP access to Trump.

1508
01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:22,479
Speaker 3: The top two hundred get direct access to Trump. And

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01:17:22,520 --> 01:17:26,800
Speaker 3: there's been reporting that the vast majority of the people

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Speaker 3: who are in this top two hundred and in the

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Speaker 3: top fifteen are not Americans. So yeah, so that's what

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Speaker 3: Murphy here is asking Rubio about.

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Speaker 12: Let me ask you about the dinner that's happening this

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01:17:37,960 --> 01:17:43,280
Speaker 12: Thursday night. The President has offered access to him to

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01:17:43,800 --> 01:17:48,080
Speaker 12: the two hundred top purchasers of his meme coin. Reports

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01:17:48,120 --> 01:17:51,720
Speaker 12: are that maybe about half or more of those individuals

1517
01:17:51,760 --> 01:17:54,599
Speaker 12: who will be meeting with him, many in a VIP

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Speaker 12: reception or foreigners. Do you have a list of those

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Speaker 12: foreign individuals who will be meeting with the president?

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Speaker 11: I don't. I don't know.

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Speaker 13: I think I don't even know there was a dinner

1522
01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:09,080
Speaker 13: on Thursday night, So I'm not sure what you're referring to.

1523
01:18:10,400 --> 01:18:13,280
Speaker 12: So you don't know whether any of the foreign individuals

1524
01:18:13,320 --> 01:18:14,680
Speaker 12: who are going to be meeting with the president this

1525
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:18,720
Speaker 12: Thursday night, for instance, are on our list of sanctioned individuals,

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01:18:18,840 --> 01:18:22,080
Speaker 12: or whether any of those individuals have connections to let's say,

1527
01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:24,320
Speaker 12: terrorist organizations abroad.

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01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:26,680
Speaker 13: Well, I think if they had terrorist lenks, Department of

1529
01:18:26,720 --> 01:18:29,120
Speaker 13: Homeland Security probably would not allow them into the country.

1530
01:18:29,240 --> 01:18:31,040
Speaker 13: But again, I don't even know there is a dinner.

1531
01:18:31,280 --> 01:18:33,240
Speaker 13: You're asking me about something I don't know about.

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01:18:33,720 --> 01:18:36,479
Speaker 12: Well, but listen, this is a dinner that the president

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01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:41,000
Speaker 12: is having. It is likely going to involve some very

1534
01:18:41,160 --> 01:18:44,560
Speaker 12: significant foreign interests. You have to be pretty wealthy in

1535
01:18:44,680 --> 01:18:47,280
Speaker 12: order to be able to get inside this dinner. Isn't

1536
01:18:47,280 --> 01:18:50,320
Speaker 12: that a relevant question for the Secretary of State. I'm

1537
01:18:50,360 --> 01:18:52,040
Speaker 12: at the same which foreign interests are going to be

1538
01:18:52,080 --> 01:18:52,880
Speaker 12: speaking to the president?

1539
01:18:52,920 --> 01:18:54,639
Speaker 4: I mean, it's kind of naive to believe that there.

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01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:56,800
Speaker 12: Aren't going to be in that room talking about national

1541
01:18:56,880 --> 01:18:57,599
Speaker 12: security matters.

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01:18:57,720 --> 01:18:59,320
Speaker 13: Well, I don't think that that's the case at all,

1543
01:18:59,320 --> 01:19:00,920
Speaker 13: because that would be a but it was the case.

1544
01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:02,880
Speaker 13: The truth of the matter is I interact with government

1545
01:19:02,920 --> 01:19:05,840
Speaker 13: officials and others and governments of other countries. That's what

1546
01:19:05,960 --> 01:19:08,040
Speaker 13: I don't say. You're asking about a dinner or anything

1547
01:19:08,040 --> 01:19:09,920
Speaker 13: about I can't answer you because I don't know anything

1548
01:19:09,960 --> 01:19:11,720
Speaker 13: about this dinner. It's the first I heard of it.

1549
01:19:11,800 --> 01:19:14,120
Speaker 13: Like I said, I don't keep the president's social schedule.

1550
01:19:14,240 --> 01:19:16,519
Speaker 13: It's not on my phone, it's not in my pocket.

1551
01:19:16,720 --> 01:19:18,639
Speaker 13: I don't even know. I can't comment on a dinner.

1552
01:19:18,640 --> 01:19:19,519
Speaker 13: I know nothing about it.

1553
01:19:19,920 --> 01:19:22,640
Speaker 3: I kind of wish, from the democratic perspective that they

1554
01:19:22,720 --> 01:19:26,240
Speaker 3: would go after the corruption more than the national security.

1555
01:19:26,320 --> 01:19:28,240
Speaker 3: Like I'm actually not worried that there's going to be

1556
01:19:28,360 --> 01:19:31,800
Speaker 3: a suicide bomber sneak into the White House and blow

1557
01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:35,559
Speaker 3: himself up there or like whatever the other national security

1558
01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:38,200
Speaker 3: implications Murphy would be talking about. It feels like outdated.

1559
01:19:39,439 --> 01:19:44,320
Speaker 3: It is gross and thoroughly corrupt. What's what do you

1560
01:19:44,360 --> 01:19:47,639
Speaker 3: think of Rubio being like, oh, on dinner, I would

1561
01:19:47,680 --> 01:19:49,599
Speaker 3: invite it that dinner. I don't know anything about that dinner.

1562
01:19:49,640 --> 01:19:52,320
Speaker 5: He's like pissed he didn't get the social calendar. Yeah, no,

1563
01:19:52,439 --> 01:19:54,280
Speaker 5: I mean that's the only real answer that he can

1564
01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:57,920
Speaker 5: give to the question. It's entirely possible, it's true. I mean,

1565
01:19:58,080 --> 01:20:00,880
Speaker 5: I don't think Marko Rubio is trying to keep Donald

1566
01:20:00,920 --> 01:20:04,599
Speaker 5: Trump's schedule. He's probably not following crypto news that closely,

1567
01:20:04,640 --> 01:20:07,479
Speaker 5: although at some point it does have overlapped with the

1568
01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:10,879
Speaker 5: Secretary of States responsibilities. But it's obviously the biggest handicap.

1569
01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:14,400
Speaker 5: I think it's the biggest handicap in the future of

1570
01:20:14,760 --> 01:20:19,560
Speaker 5: like right wing populism, which has been infiltrated and compromised

1571
01:20:20,200 --> 01:20:24,400
Speaker 5: by the tech community who is eager to some of

1572
01:20:24,439 --> 01:20:27,640
Speaker 5: them are true believing libertarians of this like libertarian populism.

1573
01:20:28,360 --> 01:20:31,559
Speaker 5: You know, that's that's relevant to crypto world, But that's

1574
01:20:32,160 --> 01:20:34,439
Speaker 5: of you know, Rosie that's looking at it through rose

1575
01:20:34,479 --> 01:20:36,400
Speaker 5: color lenses. There are a lot of people who are

1576
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:40,559
Speaker 5: just sort of people getting absolutely loaded off of crypto

1577
01:20:40,680 --> 01:20:44,280
Speaker 5: and using it to you know, wield even more influence

1578
01:20:44,439 --> 01:20:48,639
Speaker 5: over global politics. So Rubio in particular, you know, doesn't

1579
01:20:48,640 --> 01:20:51,760
Speaker 5: really want to get into that because he's a sort

1580
01:20:51,800 --> 01:20:54,320
Speaker 5: of a one of the figureheads, one of the like

1581
01:20:54,520 --> 01:20:58,479
Speaker 5: thought leaders in the world of mega populism. So he's

1582
01:20:58,600 --> 01:21:04,080
Speaker 5: particularly positioned poorly to face questions about that because it's

1583
01:21:04,680 --> 01:21:07,360
Speaker 5: a huge handicap for the movement that.

1584
01:21:07,479 --> 01:21:09,720
Speaker 3: He wants to be a leader in, and I think

1585
01:21:09,760 --> 01:21:12,200
Speaker 3: for the country too. And let's just look at this

1586
01:21:12,680 --> 01:21:16,160
Speaker 3: from a big picture perspective for one second. And speaking

1587
01:21:16,200 --> 01:21:18,880
Speaker 3: of China, what's China out there building high speed rail,

1588
01:21:19,640 --> 01:21:23,519
Speaker 3: automated factories like robotics that seem to be several years

1589
01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:26,160
Speaker 3: ahead of US evs that are like five to ten

1590
01:21:26,240 --> 01:21:31,639
Speaker 3: grand and you have much longer ability to travel without

1591
01:21:31,680 --> 01:21:35,360
Speaker 3: it needing to charge better battery technology, and on and on.

1592
01:21:35,600 --> 01:21:36,200
Speaker 4: What are we doing.

1593
01:21:36,640 --> 01:21:43,960
Speaker 3: We're building crypto, blockchain and a golden dome to protect

1594
01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:48,599
Speaker 3: against what like. So the last twenty years were defined

1595
01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:52,759
Speaker 3: by the US spending ten trillion dollars failing to occupy

1596
01:21:52,920 --> 01:22:00,519
Speaker 3: Afghanistan and Iraq, while China made leaps and mounds forward

1597
01:22:01,280 --> 01:22:04,880
Speaker 3: technologically and economically. The next ten years, we're just gonna

1598
01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:07,880
Speaker 3: like dump all our money into crypto and and like

1599
01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:13,479
Speaker 3: weapons projects, while China just continues along, like how do

1600
01:22:13,560 --> 01:22:17,000
Speaker 3: we think that that is going to end? So it's

1601
01:22:17,080 --> 01:22:20,000
Speaker 3: and it's not just this dinner Thursday night in the

1602
01:22:20,120 --> 01:22:23,599
Speaker 3: United States Senate this week we can put this next

1603
01:22:23,640 --> 01:22:24,519
Speaker 3: element up on the screen.

1604
01:22:25,400 --> 01:22:30,080
Speaker 4: H The Senate is moving forward on this key crypto bill,

1605
01:22:30,760 --> 01:22:32,960
Speaker 4: which is they.

1606
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:33,800
Speaker 6: Call it there.

1607
01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:38,200
Speaker 4: They're gonna rate they're going to codify stable coins. Basically.

1608
01:22:39,840 --> 01:22:42,800
Speaker 3: The the Democrats who objected to it, which were led

1609
01:22:42,800 --> 01:22:46,800
Speaker 3: by Elizabeth Warren u argued that look, what you're doing

1610
01:22:46,880 --> 01:22:50,439
Speaker 3: here is just you're just codifying Trump's ability to do

1611
01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:54,439
Speaker 3: this insanely corrupt thing into law. That this this things

1612
01:22:54,479 --> 01:22:57,160
Speaker 3: that giant give away to the crypto industry and is

1613
01:22:57,240 --> 01:23:01,080
Speaker 3: going to enable all sorts of all sorts of fraud.

1614
01:23:01,400 --> 01:23:04,960
Speaker 3: You had a fat you had fascinating split within the

1615
01:23:05,040 --> 01:23:05,920
Speaker 3: Democratic Party.

1616
01:23:06,280 --> 01:23:08,519
Speaker 4: You can put up C six here.

1617
01:23:09,200 --> 01:23:13,320
Speaker 3: Uh, this is my colleague Steven Dennis, Bloomberg reporter said

1618
01:23:13,360 --> 01:23:16,000
Speaker 3: some drama on the Senate floor during stable coin vote.

1619
01:23:16,439 --> 01:23:19,880
Speaker 3: The top crypto friendly dem Kirsten Gillibrand and Elizabeth Warren,

1620
01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:22,680
Speaker 3: the chief foe, gotten a heated argument on the Democratic

1621
01:23:22,760 --> 01:23:25,559
Speaker 3: side of the chamber. A third of the Democrats ended

1622
01:23:25,640 --> 01:23:30,040
Speaker 3: up siding with jilibrand two thirds with Warren. The crypto

1623
01:23:30,200 --> 01:23:33,519
Speaker 3: folks were watching this. You can put up C seven

1624
01:23:34,120 --> 01:23:36,840
Speaker 3: and put up a bunch of kind of stills you

1625
01:23:37,120 --> 01:23:38,519
Speaker 3: could see on C SPAN.

1626
01:23:40,360 --> 01:23:42,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, So if you're just if you're just listening to this,

1627
01:23:43,160 --> 01:23:47,880
Speaker 4: basically Warren just chased Jilibrand all over the Senate floor. Yeah,

1628
01:23:48,439 --> 01:23:50,880
Speaker 4: just kind of berating her for this, for this bill,

1629
01:23:51,880 --> 01:23:53,280
Speaker 4: Like what are you doing, Like what.

1630
01:23:55,439 --> 01:23:59,760
Speaker 3: In this moment in time with this insane amount of

1631
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:05,040
Speaker 3: eruption washing and not just washing through Washington, because that

1632
01:24:05,240 --> 01:24:08,760
Speaker 3: implies there's something, there's some passive force. Donald Trump is

1633
01:24:09,160 --> 01:24:13,759
Speaker 3: and his family and Whitcoff's kid are like flooding Washington

1634
01:24:14,439 --> 01:24:20,280
Speaker 3: with crypto based corruption, and Agillibrand and a third of

1635
01:24:20,320 --> 01:24:24,240
Speaker 3: the Democrats are going to team up with Republicans to

1636
01:24:24,400 --> 01:24:25,560
Speaker 3: basically rubber.

1637
01:24:25,280 --> 01:24:28,479
Speaker 4: Stamp that and be like that's cool, that's cool.

1638
01:24:28,880 --> 01:24:31,240
Speaker 3: Now, if you put the earlier element that I put

1639
01:24:31,280 --> 01:24:34,800
Speaker 3: up from Warren, this is Stephen Dennis, a Blueberg reporter

1640
01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:39,920
Speaker 3: saying that Warren's not against you know, cryptoregulation, obviously, she's

1641
01:24:40,280 --> 01:24:45,000
Speaker 3: she wants to regulate it practically out of existence. He says, quote,

1642
01:24:45,240 --> 01:24:47,200
Speaker 3: you know, she said she'd be fine with stable coined

1643
01:24:47,280 --> 01:24:52,160
Speaker 3: legislation with proper regulation to protect consumers, which includes CFPB oversight.

1644
01:24:52,240 --> 01:24:54,920
Speaker 4: Although the CFPP is getting nooked.

1645
01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:58,880
Speaker 3: A ban on presidents profiting off their own coins while

1646
01:24:58,960 --> 01:25:04,120
Speaker 3: in office, it seems like a reasonable legislation protection against

1647
01:25:04,160 --> 01:25:07,640
Speaker 3: systemic risks from a failed token. In other words, you

1648
01:25:07,760 --> 01:25:10,960
Speaker 3: have a you have a scam token that that pulls

1649
01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:13,080
Speaker 3: in so much money that it that it takes down

1650
01:25:13,160 --> 01:25:16,000
Speaker 3: counterparties with it, and we get a financial crisis because

1651
01:25:16,040 --> 01:25:21,280
Speaker 3: of this stuff. And better protection against criminal transactions, and

1652
01:25:21,360 --> 01:25:23,960
Speaker 3: a ban on stable coins issued by tech companies and

1653
01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:27,519
Speaker 3: other non financial companies. That's saying like, in other words,

1654
01:25:27,520 --> 01:25:31,040
Speaker 3: if you want to issue currency, this cryptocurrency, that you

1655
01:25:31,120 --> 01:25:33,560
Speaker 3: have to be regulated like a financial institution, because we

1656
01:25:33,760 --> 01:25:35,120
Speaker 3: we already did a great depression.

1657
01:25:35,760 --> 01:25:37,280
Speaker 4: We did this whole thing before.

1658
01:25:37,520 --> 01:25:40,519
Speaker 5: It's not just risk to individuals, it's risks entire the

1659
01:25:40,680 --> 01:25:41,520
Speaker 5: entire system.

1660
01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:43,920
Speaker 3: Right because you we don't have an opt We don't

1661
01:25:43,920 --> 01:25:46,320
Speaker 3: have an option to say, you know what, I don't

1662
01:25:46,400 --> 01:25:47,360
Speaker 3: like this crypto stuff.

1663
01:25:47,400 --> 01:25:49,800
Speaker 4: I'm not going to get involved with it. It's going

1664
01:25:49,880 --> 01:25:52,120
Speaker 4: to get involved with you when it takes the whole

1665
01:25:52,120 --> 01:25:53,000
Speaker 4: house parts.

1666
01:25:52,760 --> 01:25:57,800
Speaker 5: Death Freed, Silicon Valley Bank, Like, we already have uh

1667
01:25:58,000 --> 01:26:00,519
Speaker 5: sort of warning shots that have been fired, so it's

1668
01:26:00,720 --> 01:26:03,320
Speaker 5: not insane at all. But of course the reason Kristen

1669
01:26:03,680 --> 01:26:08,160
Speaker 5: Jilibran uh and others are interested in advancing this legislation

1670
01:26:08,280 --> 01:26:10,400
Speaker 5: is because there's a truly insane amount of money in

1671
01:26:10,479 --> 01:26:13,240
Speaker 5: crypto that is now being It's the exact point that

1672
01:26:13,360 --> 01:26:16,919
Speaker 5: you're You're like, Warren is out there trying to tell Jolibran,

1673
01:26:17,040 --> 01:26:19,400
Speaker 5: what are you doing? There's so much right now as

1674
01:26:19,439 --> 01:26:21,599
Speaker 5: the corruption is washing over the state. It was like, well,

1675
01:26:21,840 --> 01:26:24,439
Speaker 5: that's why joli Bran is doing it that you can

1676
01:26:24,520 --> 01:26:27,559
Speaker 5: be convinced to take an ideological pro crypto stance when

1677
01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:30,680
Speaker 5: people are throwing millions and millions of dollars at you

1678
01:26:30,960 --> 01:26:35,400
Speaker 5: and promising to be great allies for you going forward.

1679
01:26:35,720 --> 01:26:38,599
Speaker 3: And the best talking point for it is okay, look

1680
01:26:38,680 --> 01:26:43,000
Speaker 3: we lost Crypto's here to stay, yeah, which is kind

1681
01:26:43,040 --> 01:26:45,479
Speaker 3: of terrible talking point if you ask me, because like,

1682
01:26:45,640 --> 01:26:47,639
Speaker 3: you know, it don't sounds rather weak to just give

1683
01:26:47,720 --> 01:26:50,040
Speaker 3: up like that. Because you're the United States of America.

1684
01:26:50,400 --> 01:26:54,760
Speaker 3: You can you can, you can do big things. But okay,

1685
01:26:54,840 --> 01:26:57,840
Speaker 3: let's pretend you can't. Say blockchain is here to stay.

1686
01:26:58,360 --> 01:27:05,080
Speaker 3: Blockchain is an amazing technology. Come on, you serious, really, blockchain.

1687
01:27:08,600 --> 01:27:10,640
Speaker 5: We don't need to debate blockchain.

1688
01:27:12,160 --> 01:27:15,040
Speaker 4: Whatever, good luck to us.

1689
01:27:15,720 --> 01:27:17,640
Speaker 5: Exactly, that's the only place that we can leave it.