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Speaker 1: My name is Clay Nukeleman. I'm the host of the

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Speaker 1: Bear Hunting Magazine podcast. I'll also be your host into

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about tactics, gear, conservation, but will also bring

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Speaker 1: Chasing Bear. This is the second podcast in our Montana tour.

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Speaker 1: As Colby Moorehead and I come back from a spring

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Speaker 1: that's really just about becoming more accurate, and that's what

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Speaker 1: Jim and I hunted together a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 1: I've learned a ton from Jim. He is a veteran

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Speaker 1: their bcs, which that will work as well UM as

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Speaker 1: long as you you're pretty good at reloading and all that.

429
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 1: But but just going off your BC and your velocity

430
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: off of factory ammunition usually isn't that accurate. Yeah, And

431
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 1: so the actual data that you're collecting, and I've done this,

432
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 1: I think twice for rifles. Now I'm shooting one of

433
00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 1: the rifles systems which you guys set up. But so

434
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 1: you're you're in layman's turn for someone who's not done

435
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: it before. You're you're taking a shot at let's say

436
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: two hundred yards, you're zero on the gun at two

437
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 1: hundred yards, and then you're shooting again at three hundred

438
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 1: How many data points do you need just to we're

439
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: looking for to uh we're actually uh improving our our

440
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: program where we'll have three data points um typically at

441
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: a two hundred yards zero, we want a data collection

442
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 1: or or a click value at five hundred and so

443
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: you're shooting at those distances and measuring basically measuring the

444
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 1: distance the bullet drop through clicks through the click value

445
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 1: of the scope. And I'll use like a a typical

446
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 1: data for a seven Remington magnum um from one of

447
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 1: our our rifles here, It'll take twenty clicks to get

448
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: to five hundred and it will take sixty clicks to

449
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 1: get to nine. So you're not actually measuring inches of drop,

450
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 1: your measuring clicks to to get the bullet to And

451
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: what what that allows what that allows us to do

452
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 1: is it verifies that that we're that turret is matching

453
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 1: the trajectory of that individual rifle and the ammunition that

454
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: they're using. And right after that, rifles vary. We can't

455
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: just build oh we need a a a turret. Tell

456
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 1: Jared we need a turret for a seven mag shooting

457
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 1: a hundred and eighty grain e L d M bullet

458
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 1: um and he says, oh, I've I've got that turret

459
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 1: already built. Well, from rifle to rifle there can be differences.

460
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: Why is that that makes no sense? With the precision

461
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 1: machining and all the work that goes into rifle. Why

462
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 1: where is the variation in the physical mechanics of that

463
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: gun that make it different? Jim, Well, even with the

464
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 1: machining that goes on, there can be one to click

465
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 1: differences at or even um. Barrel length can make a difference.

466
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 1: You know, one we might have one that's a inch

467
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 1: barrel in one that's a twenty two um inch barrel

468
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 1: like a mountain scout rifle. So we have to. But

469
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: I'm saying, even with two identical rifles, they could shoot different.

470
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 1: And it's just it's just the micro different I mean

471
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 1: the I mean, I don't I don't even know the

472
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 1: the increments to use, but the smallest, most minuscule differences

473
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: in that gun make it shoot different. How how the

474
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 1: riflings are cut, the tolerances within the in the riflings

475
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: of the chamber. Um, there's a number of things, and

476
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 1: we try to be very very consistent, but even then

477
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 1: you're gonna have slight differences in and you know, at

478
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: five hundred yards, one click equates to I don't know,

479
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 1: what is it about an inch and two thirds? You know,

480
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 1: so it when you're talking that far out, you know.

481
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: But but we want to build a turret that is

482
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 1: as accurate and matches the trajectory of that rifle note

483
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: as as much as as close as possible. We're not

484
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: into the guessing games. So you gotta collect and all

485
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 1: that starts with accurate data. You gotta gotta have absolutely

486
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 1: accurate data. You guys will like like say somebody had

487
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 1: a had a gun you guys, they could send that

488
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: gun here and you guys would collect data for them.

489
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, we probably we do four to five

490
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: hundred what we call scope mount jobs a year, and

491
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: that's customers sending in everything from from Browning's to weather

492
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: Bees and everything in between. Let me clarify something right here,

493
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 1: because we when we talked about what Best of the

494
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 1: West is, we mainly we talked about the television show.

495
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: But let's go ahead and say Best of the West

496
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 1: is a television show. But you guys have moved into

497
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 1: building custom rifles. Yeah. I mean, so so you guys

498
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 1: were you guys were hunting the West. You guys were

499
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 1: Western big game hunters. You saw that you needed precision

500
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: guns long range, and and so that evolved into so

501
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 1: you're a television show, your custom rifle manufacturer. And then

502
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 1: the husk mob branch of this business is optics, so

503
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 1: that that that branches out really what you are. And

504
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: there's another big component of this that we were forced into,

505
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 1: um simply because we need consistent ammunition, and that was

506
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: we're we build custom ammunition here, and and we we

507
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 1: have a partnership with Hornaday where we use uh uh,

508
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 1: some of their precision hunter ammunition and their match ammunition

509
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: UM in some of our build but we want to

510
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 1: control the whole system. Yeah, you have to to maintain

511
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: that accuracy level. Right, It's not just like, uh, we

512
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 1: build you a turret and then you go to to

513
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 1: a super discount store and go get you a box

514
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 1: of whatever ammunition you want to talk about and think

515
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: that you've got you've got. At that point your turret

516
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: is no longer valid. So so it's it's about the

517
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: ethics of it. It's about the precision accuracy of it. UM,

518
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: whether it's three hundred yards and being able to hit

519
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 1: a quarter or it's extended distance at seven hundred yards

520
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: and you can place a bullet right in the front

521
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 1: shoulder that bullele can drop him in his tracks. That's

522
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 1: what we what we want to do. Yeah, tell me

523
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 1: about the rifle systems. So we've talked about we've talked

524
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 1: about the optics custom turret, We've talked about how someone

525
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 1: could use your think use husk them scope on any

526
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 1: rifle that they've got. But really the bread and butter

527
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 1: of what you guys offer is how many packages do

528
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: you have now of rifles systems? We have what I

529
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 1: will call four main models of rifles, and that would

530
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,919
Speaker 1: be our our Hunter Elite series, which is our most

531
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: valuable value price rifles. That's that's what I'm shooting. Yes,

532
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: we have a Mountain Hunter and a Mountain Scout and

533
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 1: those are built around a sporter style stock. Um. We

534
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 1: we aspire to to get him as light as possible

535
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 1: within reason. Um you get you start getting too light

536
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 1: and you're going the wrong direction. Um you, in my opinion,

537
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 1: you get below seven pounds scoped weight, you're going in

538
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:50,320
Speaker 1: the wrong direction. Accuracy for for accuracy and especially accuracy

539
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 1: at distance. And then we have our our Signature series

540
00:35:55,719 --> 00:36:00,280
Speaker 1: rifle and and we have uh to to actual box.

541
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 1: We have one that's uh our our regular Signature series

542
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: carbon fiber stock. And then we have our adjustable cheek

543
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 1: piece Signature series. So you guys, pretty much right here

544
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: and Cody are building these guns from scratch. I mean

545
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,320
Speaker 1: for the most part, I mean, you're these these guns

546
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 1: are Now there's different actions that are inside the guns

547
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 1: that I guess you're you're getting from custom manufacturers, the triggers,

548
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: but I mean, you're these are totally custom guns. So

549
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: somebody could call down here and absolutely customize a gun.

550
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 1: You would build it for him, you would site it

551
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,399
Speaker 1: in for him, you'd gather the data for him, you'd

552
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 1: validate the data, you'd build the turret, and you'd send

553
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 1: them a gun in a what kind of gun cases

554
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 1: do you have? S KB case? I mean like you put,

555
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: you get it, and you're ready to go. I mean

556
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 1: you need to shoot it, you need to anything it,

557
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 1: because even going through all those processes, there can be

558
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 1: slight differences in in how I hold a rifle or

559
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: Jared holds a rifle versus the customer, and they may

560
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: have to adjust the zero, the two yard zero, one click,

561
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 1: uh maybe maybe a click right or left. So they

562
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 1: need they need to get their gun, go out and

563
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,359
Speaker 1: shoot it and be comfortable with it and build confidence

564
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 1: in in the am I correct and saying the terminology

565
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: that you guys used for that as a rifle system,

566
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: So it's you're not just buying a rifle, we're buying

567
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: the whole system. You're buying. I mean when I got

568
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 1: my Hunter Elite, I mean you had the bullets. I

569
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 1: mean you guys that the ammunition was already I mean

570
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 1: you you said this gun shoots this ammunition best. I

571
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 1: get that ammunition for you guys. I need to get

572
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 1: some ammunition while I'm here. Actually we ran out of

573
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 1: shells in Montana. UM. But so, I mean, to me,

574
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 1: that's an incredible an incredible package to be able to

575
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 1: have a gun like that, because most people could never

576
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 1: build that around. I mean, let's face it, there are

577
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 1: people that can and do. I mean that's kind of

578
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:15,280
Speaker 1: the long range world. But for somebody like me, I'm

579
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: never gonna have the skill to build that gun, but

580
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 1: I can get it from you. I mean, it's pretty

581
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 1: incredible opportunity for people, and it's it's a unique UM.

582
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:31,720
Speaker 1: But I'll call it a methodology that that we build

583
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 1: a complete shooting system because most even today, you go

584
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 1: buy a rifle and then you pick out the optic

585
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 1: you want to put on that rifle, and then you've

586
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:46,240
Speaker 1: got the whole process of properly mounting it and going

587
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: out and shooting and doing all that thing. So, yes,

588
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 1: a customer they get a turn key system. It's it's

589
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,879
Speaker 1: ready to go when they get it from US. UM.

590
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 1: And and we feel that that's catching no where. UM.

591
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 1: A lot of people just don't have the time to

592
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:07,760
Speaker 1: go through that whole process. But they have the money

593
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 1: for us to do that process for him. Even even

594
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 1: the scope mount jobs that we've talked about before. Um,

595
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 1: they may have their Browning Hell's Canyon or their Remyton's

596
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 1: seven hundred that that is a is a good shooting rifle. Um.

597
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 1: But when we get one of those a scope mount in,

598
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 1: we have we qualify that rifle because if that if

599
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 1: that rifle isn't a one minute gun or close to

600
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 1: it minute and a half gun at the most, it

601
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 1: really doesn't do a lot of good for us to

602
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 1: put put a Huskamall scope on put this precision. When

603
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 1: the gun won't shoot, that they're not going to be

604
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: happy with. So some of these guns we may have

605
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 1: to bed that come in, we may have to uh rebarrel,

606
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: we may have to do a number of things to

607
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: get him to shoot. But but it's a good process

608
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 1: to get introduced into uh precision accuracy with with their

609
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 1: own firearms. And we we do four or five of

610
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 1: those scope mount jobs a year. And what what I've

611
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 1: seen here and I've been I've been here several times,

612
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 1: and I mean, you guys are the experts of long

613
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 1: range shooting and have I mean, there are people here

614
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,280
Speaker 1: that will that will you guys will work through stuff

615
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 1: with people. I mean, like I mean, somebody sends a

616
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 1: rife just like you said. I mean, you might tell

617
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 1: this guy, hey, this is what you need to do

618
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 1: to this gun to make it what you want. We

619
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,720
Speaker 1: can help you do that. I mean the customer service

620
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:41,839
Speaker 1: that you guys would provide, I would say, would be

621
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 1: I mean, it's super valuable. It is. And and you know,

622
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 1: we're a full service gunsmithing shop, and most customers they

623
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 1: don't even doubt, you know, when we tell them this

624
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 1: is what we're gonna need to do to this gun.

625
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 1: There there's no question. They just say, do what needs done.

626
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 1: I need an accurate gun. And you know what the

627
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:08,800
Speaker 1: what it costs to go hunting anymore. The most important

628
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 1: tool you have beside your own mind is is your rifle.

629
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 1: And and it's just a good investment, whether it's a

630
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:22,919
Speaker 1: scope mount job or or a new rifle in your

631
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 1: future hunting success. It's the best investment you can make

632
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 1: in your future hunting success. You know, you go, you

633
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:34,359
Speaker 1: go into a shot, you dial that turret to three

634
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: fifty yards and and you're laid out prone and your

635
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 1: cross hair staying right on that vital zone and you're

636
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 1: there's no question in your mind that if I choose

637
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: to to take that animal, he's going down. And and

638
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 1: when I first started hunting, every shot was a doubt.

639
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 1: It just was, and it I would have given anything

640
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:03,720
Speaker 1: to to learn this. And when I first started hunting,

641
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 1: in the opportunities I had that were ended up missed

642
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: opportunities because I never learned to shoot. I never learned

643
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 1: about ballistics. I never learned about a lot of things.

644
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:18,839
Speaker 1: So it helps when when we do shooting schools, which

645
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 1: which we talked about. Yeah, we do shoot schools all

646
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 1: over UM, teaching the principles of long range and and

647
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:33,879
Speaker 1: showcasing the equipment and the products. UM. We just had

648
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 1: a team of guys in UH. They were in West Virginia, Florida, Pennsylvania.

649
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: UM Wade still in in Michigan right now. UM. They

650
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 1: they taught over two hundred students over the last month.

651
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 1: And UM we do four shooting schools Hearing Cody, UM, May, June, July,

652
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 1: and August UM two day schools. And I gotta get

653
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: into one of those schools, Jim. I have yet to

654
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 1: have to have a student walk away from that and

655
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:14,320
Speaker 1: say that that was probably the best money I've ever spent.

656
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 1: Is I've got that, I've got the equipment. Now I

657
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 1: need to learn it. And we we go through a

658
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:27,320
Speaker 1: whole lot of of principles UM about ballistics, internal external UM.

659
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 1: We delve in highly into wind and how to read

660
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 1: wind and wind. Wind is the most nondeterministic factor in

661
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 1: in making a long range shot. UM technology can help you,

662
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 1: but it's not going to give you a wind hold.

663
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,359
Speaker 1: You've got to be able to read that mirage. You've

664
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 1: got to be able to read that vegetation moving, um,

665
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 1: those seed pods floating through the air, whatever it is.

666
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,360
Speaker 1: You've got to calculate all that in your mind and

667
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 1: come up with a windhold. And it's it's a it's

668
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 1: it's an art. It's a combination of art and a science. Jim,

669
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 1: I didn't want to bring this up. It's too soon

670
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 1: for me to even talk about it. But this is

671
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 1: exactly what I alluded to on the phone yesterday, four

672
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:25,240
Speaker 1: days ago. I missed a bear six hundred for yards

673
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: and I I am proficient with that hunter elite, really am?

674
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 1: I mean not to eight hundred? I mean I feel good?

675
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 1: And uh, we got in this situation range this bear,

676
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:40,839
Speaker 1: we couldn't get any closer. I mean, it was like,

677
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 1: this is the shot I'm gonna get. I've got I've

678
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 1: got the equipment, I can shoot the gun. I did

679
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 1: not factor the wind, and there was there was so

680
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 1: we were we were on this ridge shooting and the

681
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 1: bear was on the other side of the canyon. And

682
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 1: it's almost like we were on the just right on

683
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: the point of this ridge, almost on the back side

684
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: of it, because we were not trying to get totally

685
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 1: out in the open, you know, I mean, we just

686
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: creeped out around just enough, got totally prone two point

687
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: two point prone position, had you know, a uh rear bag.

688
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:20,720
Speaker 1: It wasn't a rear bag, but I grabbed his beanie,

689
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 1: I said give me and I stuffed it under there,

690
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:28,919
Speaker 1: I mean, just dead still, took a deep breath and

691
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 1: I was I was way off and it was the wind.

692
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 1: And when we stepped out around the point of the ridge,

693
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: we realized there was probably a ten mile per hour

694
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 1: just straight cross wind. It was dropping that bullet left

695
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: and uh and I you know, I knew better in

696
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 1: terms of I should have been thinking about that and uh,

697
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 1: but that would have been the longest shot that I've

698
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 1: ever taken. And uh, well you compensated for the distance

699
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 1: target and that was right on. I mean you could

700
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 1: see this bear was up against the dirt bank, so

701
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 1: you had that. It was money. That's that's the easy part.

702
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 1: We can we can accomplish that. It's the wind. And

703
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,800
Speaker 1: say a ten mile and our wind shooting a seven

704
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 1: magind mag shooting a two twelve grain bullet, you're you

705
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 1: probably got about three minutes of wind, so you got

706
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 1: three minutes time six that's bullets drifting eighteen whether it's

707
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 1: right or laugh about exactly what we saw. So so,

708
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 1: but that's where I talked about the excitement factor. So

709
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,839
Speaker 1: you you guys were all set up, you got the

710
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 1: the camera running, you're set up in a prone position,

711
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: the whole deal. Um, it probably didn't even register in

712
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 1: your mind to look on your turret and say where

713
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 1: where is the wind hold? For a ten mile an

714
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,839
Speaker 1: hour full of you win. But once you do it

715
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 1: and shoot it. And that's what what I like to

716
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: see at shooting schools is we hope for a little

717
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:11,840
Speaker 1: bit of wind when we take them to the range

718
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 1: each afternoon, and we typically get that and it'll be

719
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 1: anywhere from fifteen to twenty miles an hour um at

720
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: and at the range we shoot at, that window actually

721
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 1: switch from the east and then all of a sudden

722
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: it'll switch and it will be coming out of the west.

723
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 1: So they can read direction, not just speed. But what

724
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 1: it does on still plates or or still animal silhouette

725
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 1: targets is it shows them. Yeah, I can hit that

726
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: that sheep silhouette at five yards, but that wind just

727
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 1: pushed my bullet fifteen yards. Uh. East wind just pushed

728
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 1: my my bullet fifteen inches to the right. And it's

729
00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 1: and it's not even that strong a wind. So you

730
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 1: once you do it and see it, then you make sense.

731
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 1: And and you know, snipers they all know wind is everything.

732
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 1: And in making the shot, well, it was a heck

733
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: of a learning curve for me. And uh, luckily I

734
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 1: ended up killing that bear we believe it was that

735
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 1: same bear on day five at the hunt at hundred

736
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:29,319
Speaker 1: sixty nine yards back in a little cot. I mean

737
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:31,319
Speaker 1: it was just a chip shot. I was able to

738
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 1: get down prone that went through the same drill and

739
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 1: uh and you know, just made a great shot at

740
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 1: a hundred sixty nine yards. But now I really would

741
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:43,320
Speaker 1: at some point. I got to get into one of

742
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 1: those shooting schools, I really do. Well. We we're we're

743
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 1: gonna have a number of them in in uh looking

744
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 1: at some opportunities in Florida, so that may be fairly

745
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 1: close to where you're out. We do some in Tennessee

746
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 1: to Tennis that I think Tennessee would be closer. I'm

747
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 1: just as far from Florida as I am from right here. Really. Yeah,

748
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 1: Arkansas is like smack dab in the middle of the US.

749
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 1: I guess I don't know my geography. Northwest northwest Arkansas

750
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 1: is just like That's why they said Sam Walton did

751
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 1: so good start in Walmart and Benton Bill, Arkansas because

752
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: he was his shipping center. He's equal distance from every

753
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 1: corner of the US anyway. But it's the schools are

754
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 1: a great investment. Yeah, um, for for for anyone that

755
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 1: just wants to get into it, and maybe we like

756
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 1: to we like to tell people with with the scope

757
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:48,800
Speaker 1: or with the system, you you've basically doubled, immediately doubled

758
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:52,840
Speaker 1: your effective range. And they may have been only comfortable

759
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 1: at two yards before. Immediately they're going to be comfortable

760
00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 1: at four hundred yards. And then with more pro just

761
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:03,839
Speaker 1: more education. That's a really good and that's a realistic

762
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:07,439
Speaker 1: way to look at what these guns can do for you.

763
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 1: Because just because the gun is validated out to nine yards,

764
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 1: just because it can shoot that far accurately, doesn't mean

765
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 1: that ex guy is gonna be able to do that.

766
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:22,320
Speaker 1: I mean, because it really does come down to skill

767
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 1: an ability to execute that shot. And there's some people

768
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:27,319
Speaker 1: that are really good at it and some people that

769
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 1: are probably not as good at it. But to say

770
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,319
Speaker 1: this gun will double your effective range, and I think

771
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 1: that's a that's a good realistic way to look at it,

772
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:38,360
Speaker 1: you know, because if you're terrible shot, you're not gonna

773
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: be able to shoot a validated gun at nine hundred yards.

774
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe you're not going to be able to, but

775
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 1: with training you can get better. What I've seen is

776
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 1: in jured can can validate this for sure. But uh,

777
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 1: going into a shot, or going into most anything in life,

778
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 1: if you go into it with confidence, you're gonna be successful.

779
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 1: If there's doubt, the odds of the outcome you want

780
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 1: or are very minimized, you know. So that's really what

781
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 1: we try to convey is you know, Joe may not

782
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 1: ever be a nine yard shooter, but he can probably

783
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 1: get to six hundred and feel very very comfortable. And

784
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 1: that's that's where he's gonna stay. That's where we should stay.

785
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 1: Because the excitement factor, you know, with that big bull

786
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:36,319
Speaker 1: out that Joe has been dreaming about for the last

787
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 1: twenty years of standing over there across the canyon at

788
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 1: five yards, well, Joe needs to know that his cross

789
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 1: hairs staying in what we call his wobble zone. And

790
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 1: that wobble zone has got to stay in the vitals,

791
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 1: core vitals of that of that bowl. If if it's

792
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 1: above his back and down into his legs, Joe is

793
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: not ready to shoot yet, you know. So one thing

794
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:02,919
Speaker 1: at all you do, or we talked about, was dry

795
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 1: fire and a gun if you have time at an animal.

796
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 1: So let's say you see an animal across the canyon.

797
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 1: You've got some time. Empty the gun, get your position,

798
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 1: dry fire on the gun. See what you know, the

799
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 1: cross hairs drop out of it. You know, where's your

800
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 1: wobble zone. You dry fire of that thing. A cross

801
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 1: hair stay right where you want, You're good to go.

802
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 1: That's a that's a great technique to ensure that you're

803
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:32,399
Speaker 1: gonna place that bullet properly on that animal, and and uh,

804
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 1: you don't make a good solid And that's the thing

805
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 1: too from a hunting scenario, the longer range animal probably

806
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 1: isn't gonna know that you're there. You've probably got a

807
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 1: little more time. Not always. The bear I was after

808
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 1: was moving constantly and kind of heading towards the place

809
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:50,879
Speaker 1: that we weren't gonna be able to see him again.

810
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 1: So I was kind of rushed. But a lot of

811
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:55,840
Speaker 1: times you would have time because animals not alarmed. He

812
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 1: didn't know you're there. You're long ways from him, and

813
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 1: so you take that time to dry fire. And many

814
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 1: many times that you know, they don't even you take

815
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: that first shot and say the wind blew it off

816
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 1: a little bit. Many times with an elk or a

817
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:14,320
Speaker 1: deer or something, they don't really even know what happened.

818
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:18,280
Speaker 1: Bears are a little bit different that way. Um, they're

819
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 1: they're a little more what a skittish anyway, they kind

820
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 1: of bolt for cover. But um, and you if you

821
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:31,919
Speaker 1: need to, you have a follow up shot. Yeah right, Um, Hey,

822
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 1: as we closed down, Jim, what would uh, Well, first

823
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 1: of all, I want to open it up to you guys,

824
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,839
Speaker 1: if anything we haven't covered that you want to cover,

825
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:43,399
Speaker 1: because there's a thousand things that we could talk about. Um,

826
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 1: so be thinking about that. But here's my question to you.

827
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 1: And two for somebody that knows so much about something,

828
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:52,840
Speaker 1: it might be a hard question. What would you say

829
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 1: the number one mechanical component of accurate long range shooting? Not?

830
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 1: And when I say a mechanical component, I mean you've

831
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 1: got a gun that will shoot number one? I mean

832
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 1: I think that's probably what you would say. First of all,

833
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:10,399
Speaker 1: you've gotta have a gun that will shoot accurate out

834
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 1: to long range. But what a person could do, either

835
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 1: mentally or either just the mechanics of it? Uh? Is

836
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 1: that a fair question for me? And Jared probably has

837
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 1: a different answer than me. But for me is getting

838
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 1: into a stable two point rest? Uh? And and we

839
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 1: found it at schools. There's a lot of guys that

840
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 1: that can't seem to get down on in a prone position.

841
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:46,360
Speaker 1: Um uh, you know, the their necks are too stiff,

842
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 1: or maybe they had an injury or whatever. For that individual,

843
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 1: what what they need to do is rather than any

844
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:57,280
Speaker 1: anybody can go to the range and just start shooting

845
00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:00,759
Speaker 1: off the bench. Well, You're not have a bench on

846
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 1: very many hunts, so you need to actually get down

847
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 1: and do your practicing and become become proficient at what

848
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 1: you consider your maximum distance at the shooting position that

849
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:17,239
Speaker 1: you're going to be shooting in the field and some

850
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 1: for some people that may be a sitting position. So

851
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 1: I feel very proficient at four hundred and fifty yards

852
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 1: in a sitting position. Beyond that it's a little iffy.

853
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 1: So for me a stable position and having practiced in

854
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:39,360
Speaker 1: that position for a field shooting scenario, that's good. No,

855
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 1: I'd agree. I would say, um, practicing in different positions,

856
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:48,439
Speaker 1: it is probably the um essentially when when you're coming

857
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 1: to when, especially when you're gonna do back country hunting

858
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:53,360
Speaker 1: where you know you're not gonna get a prone shot

859
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 1: every single time. So like you said, um, practicing while

860
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 1: sitting while you're shooting and stuff, I think I would

861
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:08,320
Speaker 1: agree with that. Yeah, that's good, very good. Um, anything else,

862
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:11,920
Speaker 1: Jim that we could cover, just any anything about the

863
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 1: about the guns or anything we hadn't talked about you

864
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:16,800
Speaker 1: that you'd like to talk about. I just like Jared

865
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:20,400
Speaker 1: to talk a little bit. He he was heavily involved

866
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 1: in the design of of what we call our Mountain

867
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 1: Scout model a rifle and what the calibers that that

868
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:34,280
Speaker 1: he feels are most compatible for that. Uh, we've shortened

869
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 1: the barrel length, We've incorporated you know, titanium action, carbon

870
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:42,919
Speaker 1: fiber barrel, et cetera. And Jared can talk a little

871
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 1: bit more about that. And that rifle was really made

872
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 1: for the mountain hunter, the guy that's going to throw

873
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:51,320
Speaker 1: it on his back or in his on his daypack

874
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 1: and go five, six, ten miles and that still have

875
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:59,320
Speaker 1: a really accurate rifle before I forget it. What I

876
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 1: want to talk about after that is I want to

877
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:06,759
Speaker 1: hear I want to hear the Gym Sessions narrative of

878
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:09,919
Speaker 1: the ethics of long range shooting, because I think that's

879
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 1: a I think that's a thing that that some people,

880
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 1: even in the hunting community don't understand and and I

881
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 1: think it'd be good to talk about that. But tell

882
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 1: us about the Mountain Scout. Yeah, So the Mountain Scout

883
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 1: was kind of an idea UM that I had, and

884
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 1: I brought it up to other people and they kind

885
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 1: of said, let's let's build one UM. So we kind

886
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 1: of built the first prototype UM and what we did

887
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 1: there is. We started with um the new Hornity six

888
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 1: five PRC around which UM we that's just a new

889
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 1: kind of the new hot round right now. UM. And

890
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 1: as you see kind of on social media, I see

891
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 1: you guys are on social media quite a bit where

892
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 1: he can kind of see the back country hunters kind

893
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 1: of a big fat right now where everyone's kind of

894
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 1: trying to do get their pack as light as they can. UM,

895
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 1: you got clothing company, these backpack companies all trying to

896
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 1: shead weight with carbon fiber. You bring mules and you

897
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 1: bring your milk and yeah, yeah, now that's the way

898
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 1: to do it if you can. UM. But for a

899
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:15,920
Speaker 1: lot of our customers, I know, UM are kind of

900
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 1: your hardcore back country hunters, UM that may not have

901
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 1: the opportunity to they can't afford horses or um don't

902
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 1: have the opportunity to to borrow them from friends or whatever,

903
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 1: so they're kind of stuck with backpacking and so UM

904
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 1: which a lot of people prefer that anyway. UM. We

905
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 1: chose so we started with a twenty barrel um Proof

906
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 1: Research carbon fiber barrel. We went with the titanium action

907
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 1: our carbon fiber stock. We used our four to sixteen.

908
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 1: Our house come on four to sixteen by forty two. UM.

909
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 1: So once we got that all assembled, UM, we were

910
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 1: just under or right at seven pounds scoped, ready to go, UM,

911
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 1: and we kind of want to. We we could have

912
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 1: gone lighter, we could have explored with an eighteen inch barrel,

913
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 1: what ever, but we kind of determined that that seven

914
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:05,480
Speaker 1: pound range is what that's what you want because and

915
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 1: our calibers to choose from as your six five PRC

916
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 1: six five creed More six eight four and your seven

917
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:16,960
Speaker 1: mag um. When you get two light of a gun,

918
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 1: a lot of people can't handle recoil. UM. I mean

919
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 1: when you have a twelve pound seven mag and a

920
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:26,520
Speaker 1: seven pound seven mag there's a lot more recoil between

921
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 1: the two. UM. And so we we stayed at that

922
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 1: seven pound, seven seven and a half pound benchmark. And UM,

923
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 1: it seems like through UM the feedback that we've gotten

924
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:40,920
Speaker 1: from them, a lot of people are how long you like,

925
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 1: how long have they been in production? We the first

926
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 1: one was in the first of the year. UM was, yeah,

927
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:51,960
Speaker 1: the first week of January. I think we've sold. So

928
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:55,120
Speaker 1: we haven't gone through a fall hunting season with him yet. Nope,

929
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 1: that's that's got to be exciting. Yeah, it is yet

930
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 1: to have a new new right system. Yeah. Yeah, we've

931
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 1: we've had quite a few of our dealers and outfitters

932
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:06,920
Speaker 1: by him and and I think we've sold close to

933
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 1: twenty so far and um, just in these first few

934
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:13,160
Speaker 1: months of the year. And um, they it seems like

935
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:14,760
Speaker 1: a lot of people are kind of asking for shorter

936
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:18,360
Speaker 1: barrel stuff because now that um, a lot of people

937
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 1: like to hunt suppressed as well with the suppressor, and

938
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:24,320
Speaker 1: then they don't when you cut your barrel down, UM,

939
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:26,480
Speaker 1: you can put a suppressor on it. It's more comfortable

940
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 1: with it in your pack and you're not worrying about

941
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 1: your barrel hitting the trees and all that. So people

942
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 1: can see a picture of this gun at long Range Store,

943
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 1: dot com, long Range Store, Best the West, dot net,

944
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 1: um on any of our social media yeah platforms. Yeah yeah, Okay.

945
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 1: My my daughter Haley actually used the first prototype November

946
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 1: whitetail hunt by my house and got laid out prone.

947
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 1: My wife was coaching her through it. I was filming,

948
01:00:56,680 --> 01:01:00,320
Speaker 1: and uh took her a nice five by five tail

949
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 1: bucket three yards drops it right in its tracks. Nice.

950
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 1: That was it's a good feeling gun upheld one very

951
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 1: nice feeling gun. Yeah. No, we we were just a

952
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:13,960
Speaker 1: little bit worried as far as when you cut down

953
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:16,480
Speaker 1: your barrel length, as far as accuracy problems or anything,

954
01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:18,920
Speaker 1: but we we we had no problems with that at all.

955
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 1: So and then we're using factory am out of the

956
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 1: six five prc um we're using the horn of D

957
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:27,640
Speaker 1: E L D match amm O and it shoots just

958
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:31,520
Speaker 1: as good as right. Well, that's good, and the bullets

959
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:36,440
Speaker 1: performed very well on game. Yeah yeah, cool, Well that's exciting,

960
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:43,840
Speaker 1: very exciting. Um as we close, Jim, I I feel

961
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:47,240
Speaker 1: like it's it's a shame that inside the hunting community

962
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:50,080
Speaker 1: there's division. But anywhere you go, I mean in the

963
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:54,480
Speaker 1: traditional archery world, there's division where people say this is

964
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 1: ethical and this is not ethical, I mean all the way.

965
01:01:57,680 --> 01:01:59,280
Speaker 1: So that would be one side of the pendulum all

966
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:03,240
Speaker 1: the way to the rifle shooting, where it's like accuracy

967
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:08,240
Speaker 1: and precision should be what we strive for at the

968
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:10,960
Speaker 1: highest level. And then when you go to that level,

969
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:14,560
Speaker 1: there are there are those that would build an argument

970
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:16,920
Speaker 1: that you know, we shouldn't be shooting game at eight

971
01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 1: hundred yards. That's not and so, and there's there's different

972
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 1: sides to all of it. But I know that you

973
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:28,840
Speaker 1: have a you have a a perspective on that. I

974
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:31,200
Speaker 1: hope I didn't open a big can of worms. Well,

975
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:33,560
Speaker 1: and I did, But I think I think it's something

976
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:37,000
Speaker 1: that people that we need to hear from you. You know,

977
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:40,280
Speaker 1: I'll try to keep it, UM tame down a little

978
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:46,920
Speaker 1: bit in that regard. Um. Like like you said, we

979
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:50,560
Speaker 1: we aspire for precision accuracy, whatever the distance, whether it's

980
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:53,360
Speaker 1: three hundred yards or six hundred yards or nine hundred yards.

981
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:57,080
Speaker 1: The the individual hunter has got to make that choice

982
01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 1: of what is his math. Some of them range. UM,

983
01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:05,600
Speaker 1: just like anything, you're gonna have people that go beyond

984
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 1: what's reasonable. UM yard elk, stuff like that. UM, you're

985
01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:15,080
Speaker 1: gonna have have that just to prove a point. UM.

986
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 1: We're definitely not into that. We're here to help people

987
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:24,200
Speaker 1: become more accurate, more proficient. UM. My feeling is with

988
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:31,800
Speaker 1: hunters in particular. UM, hunters are the true conservationists, always

989
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:35,720
Speaker 1: have been in North America. UM. And we've got to

990
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:39,400
Speaker 1: quit fighting with each other. We've got enough enemies taking

991
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:43,640
Speaker 1: shots at our our privileges and our rights and we've

992
01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:48,120
Speaker 1: got to come as one team to the table and

993
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:53,000
Speaker 1: protect um what we love and hold dear. And if

994
01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:56,440
Speaker 1: we don't do that, if we just become fragmented. And

995
01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:59,120
Speaker 1: and this guy he's not an archery hunter because he's

996
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:04,000
Speaker 1: using a cross bow. And this guy's not a rifle

997
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:09,760
Speaker 1: hunter because he shot that elk five yards. There's there's

998
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:13,960
Speaker 1: no room for that. I don't people shouldn't even listen

999
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:18,280
Speaker 1: to that. It's in a lot of your older outdoor writers.

1000
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:23,160
Speaker 1: They keep beating that drum. Well that that drum needs

1001
01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:28,720
Speaker 1: to go away. Um, people, we use technology through all

1002
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:32,640
Speaker 1: facets of our life. Why wouldn't we use some technology

1003
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:36,680
Speaker 1: to become more proficient and ethical in taking our shots

1004
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:42,120
Speaker 1: at game animals? And that's that's it. That's it. Yeah, Well,

1005
01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:45,720
Speaker 1: I really like what you said there about the core

1006
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:47,640
Speaker 1: mission of what you guys are doing is to help

1007
01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:52,000
Speaker 1: people become more accurate. I mean, so it's not you know,

1008
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:56,240
Speaker 1: there's there's the far spin of sometimes what people perceive

1009
01:04:56,960 --> 01:05:00,960
Speaker 1: from zero real knowledge of who people are. But you know,

1010
01:05:01,120 --> 01:05:03,360
Speaker 1: and they just say, oh, these are the guys that

1011
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:06,040
Speaker 1: are trying to kill animals in a thousand yards, and

1012
01:05:06,080 --> 01:05:09,360
Speaker 1: that's that's just not that is, that is propaganda. That

1013
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:13,000
Speaker 1: is not who you are. But you have equipment that's

1014
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:15,880
Speaker 1: able to do it, and why wouldn't you. The farthest

1015
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:22,880
Speaker 1: I've shot anything myself on film is six D eight yards.

1016
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:26,720
Speaker 1: I don't have anything to prove to anybody. Yeah, see,

1017
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:29,000
Speaker 1: I think that would surprise people, you know, I mean

1018
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:31,919
Speaker 1: I really do. I think people would say, oh, those

1019
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:34,960
Speaker 1: are those guys are out trying to, you know, do something.

1020
01:05:35,240 --> 01:05:37,960
Speaker 1: And that's that's what's so refreshing as I've got to

1021
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:41,360
Speaker 1: know this company, is that you're trying to get people

1022
01:05:42,040 --> 01:05:44,840
Speaker 1: more accurate. I mean, that's what you do. I will

1023
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:49,840
Speaker 1: say this in closing. We get pictures, hundreds of pictures

1024
01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:55,240
Speaker 1: a year from from our our customers, and what we're

1025
01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:58,120
Speaker 1: seeing this trend. You know, it used to be, oh

1026
01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:02,520
Speaker 1: this this was a mule deer puck. We're not getting

1027
01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:05,440
Speaker 1: the score of the animal anymore. We're getting the distance

1028
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:09,280
Speaker 1: to target. And a guy is feeling a a very

1029
01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:12,960
Speaker 1: strong sense of accomplishment because he was able to dump

1030
01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:15,560
Speaker 1: that mule there at seven hundred eighty yards and make

1031
01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:19,800
Speaker 1: a clean one shot kill. He knows he accomplished something

1032
01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:24,600
Speaker 1: because he had to do everything right for that to happen. Yeah,

1033
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:30,280
Speaker 1: that's that's it's a whole different medium of gauging success.

1034
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:34,240
Speaker 1: And it's an accomplishment to be able. I mean, the

1035
01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:37,080
Speaker 1: journey to get to be able to shoot like that

1036
01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:40,560
Speaker 1: in the field is a big deal. It's a it's

1037
01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:44,480
Speaker 1: a it's a skill set that no one's born with.

1038
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:48,560
Speaker 1: You don't have to learn it. Yeah, well you know

1039
01:06:48,680 --> 01:06:51,080
Speaker 1: this just from your his your history and the gym.

1040
01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:55,840
Speaker 1: I came from a bow hunting background and even a

1041
01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:59,800
Speaker 1: traditional archery background. So for me, what's so cool of

1042
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:03,280
Speaker 1: out being involved and and having one of these guns

1043
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:05,760
Speaker 1: and and coming out west, which just in the last

1044
01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:08,640
Speaker 1: five years I've been doing, is to go from one

1045
01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:13,040
Speaker 1: side of the weaponry world of how we harvest game

1046
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:16,960
Speaker 1: from a traditional stickbow to come in to Montana on

1047
01:07:17,040 --> 01:07:20,520
Speaker 1: my mules and using a you know, three win maag

1048
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:24,960
Speaker 1: Hunter Elite And and to me, that's that is I

1049
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:27,960
Speaker 1: like that. I like that spectrum, and I think it

1050
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:34,920
Speaker 1: uh uh. Anyway, I think that's important for for listeners

1051
01:07:34,920 --> 01:07:38,120
Speaker 1: to even understand, is that sometimes the long range world

1052
01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:41,960
Speaker 1: could be it seems like a big jump, but it's

1053
01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:46,280
Speaker 1: a it's a surmountable jump, you know. And uh anyway.

1054
01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:50,520
Speaker 1: You know, we hear it a lot from from back

1055
01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:53,480
Speaker 1: east that they talk about Well, I don't need that.

1056
01:07:54,280 --> 01:07:58,000
Speaker 1: We never shoot beyond two yards. Well they don't shoot

1057
01:07:58,040 --> 01:08:01,959
Speaker 1: beyond two hundred yards because they haven't thought about Well,

1058
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:04,360
Speaker 1: I can get up on that knowle and I can

1059
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:08,120
Speaker 1: cover down through this valley and far into that valley's

1060
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:11,320
Speaker 1: for inner yards are It's it's about a thought process

1061
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:13,840
Speaker 1: that I can hunt different. Now I can still so

1062
01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:17,920
Speaker 1: that animals core area, stay on the fringes and not

1063
01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:22,520
Speaker 1: disturb him. And I'm gonna increase my probability of success

1064
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:27,800
Speaker 1: exponentially by doing that. So it's a thought process. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: just like with when you're carrying a stickbow, you know,

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Speaker 1: you gotta get right in his grill changes the way

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Speaker 1: you hunt right. And I think all of us at

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Speaker 1: one point or another, you know, I I bow hunted

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Speaker 1: a lot myself back in the day, you know, and

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Speaker 1: still do. Um I'd love to go bow hunting with

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Speaker 1: a good crossbow in one of our scopes. Yeah. Well, hey,

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Speaker 1: this has been an awesome conversation. It's good to be

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Speaker 1: here in Cody, at at the at the Global headquarters. Here,

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Speaker 1: Uh always see some credible animals. When I come in here,

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Speaker 1: there's there's a big mule deer and cheap and grizzly

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Speaker 1: and black bear and what do we got We got

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Speaker 1: elk all kind of critters around here. It's fun to see. Hey,

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Speaker 1: thank you guys for taking the time to talk with

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Speaker 1: us today. Than keep the wild places wild because that's

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Speaker 1: where the bears live.