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Speaker 1: What is going on? Everybody? It's me John middle Cock,

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Speaker 1: three Now Podcast, Colin Coward's podcast network. You know, just

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Speaker 1: another week. I woke up this morning. For those not

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Speaker 1: is one of the slow This is the slowest week

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Speaker 1: And I got up this morning, I'm like, God, should

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Speaker 1: thought to myself, what would Belichick do? Hashtag no days off?

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Speaker 1: gonna dive into. I think Chris Simms, uh Phil Simms Kid,

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Speaker 1: used to work for Bleacher Report, had a good story

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Speaker 1: today on the Pats and Odell Beckham Jr. I'll dive

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Speaker 1: into that. The Raiders. Peter King wrote this morning that

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Speaker 1: they're fascinated with Kyler Murray. I really think that if

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Speaker 1: and White. Kyler Murray just makes a lot of sense

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Speaker 1: for the Raiders and then probably the two biggest dynasties

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Speaker 1: in my lifetime in football. This is gonna be a

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Speaker 1: big year for them at Alabama and Belichick which they

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Speaker 1: both probably had more coaching turnover than they've ever had

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Speaker 1: during this run. But let's start with the Pats. The

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Speaker 1: way I've was always taught by people I admire in business,

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Speaker 1: you have to be open minded and willing to do

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Speaker 1: a deal with anyone. That doesn't mean you have to

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Speaker 1: you don't even talk to them, if you don't listen,

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Speaker 1: you know to what they may offer you. And most

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Speaker 1: good business people all have a price, even if you

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Speaker 1: really liked you know, whatever may be a business, you own,

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Speaker 1: too good to turn down. I also never blame someone.

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Speaker 1: If you love your house and it's worth a million

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Speaker 1: want to leave your house. I get it, not wanted

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Speaker 1: to leave. So you don't always have to do every

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Speaker 1: deal that's presented to you. Though, if your house is

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Speaker 1: million dollars and then have you know what, eight or

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Speaker 1: Right now, all these network television like especially cable networks,

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Speaker 1: Fox Sports One, ESPN, they're all doing deals with YouTube television, Hulu,

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Speaker 1: gonna cost them money. But how can you turn down

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Speaker 1: YouTube's cash? How can you turn down who lose cash? Held?

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Speaker 1: Dame Lillard in the NBA just took you Hulse cash

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Speaker 1: money talk shit Walks, I get it. But if I'm

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Speaker 1: Here's the thing about the Patriots picks. Their first rounder

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Speaker 1: relate because most people in business are never gonna get traded.

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Speaker 1: But I do think change for high level people. And

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Speaker 1: But again, like if I'm Derek Carr, who makes way

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Speaker 1: They still got so many good players both teams. There's

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Speaker 1: not like a law of diminishing returns. But I think

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Speaker 1: the end is in sight. I would imagine two thousand

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Speaker 1: twenty one, both guys are gone. But Belichick, I think

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Speaker 1: sixty six. He's got six championships just in New England

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Speaker 1: and two with the Giants, got eight Super Bowls, been

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Speaker 1: to nine. I mean, once Brady kind of calls it quits,

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Speaker 1: which you think will happen in the next couple of years.

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Speaker 1: You think, both these guys, look, we're coming down the

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Speaker 1: home stretch of this bad boy. And I've enjoyed both dynasties.

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Speaker 1: I think the more impressive one would be the Patriots,

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Speaker 1: just because in free agency you you only get one

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Speaker 1: draft pick. They've had multiple draft picks snagged over the years,

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Speaker 1: from the flake Gate to spy Gate. Two just different ships.

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Speaker 1: That's happened with Belichick and Brady in the league. It's

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Speaker 1: easy once you get a program rolling to win big. Now,

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Speaker 1: to win that many national championships, to be in the

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Speaker 1: National Championship every year is still an incredible accomplishment. But

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna miss these two when they're gone. I don't

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Speaker 1: know how much longer, because if I put myself in

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Speaker 1: their shoes, how much longer am I gonna want to

447
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Speaker 1: deal with having to do that type stuff? Now? Maybe

448
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Speaker 1: they're both Football is their crack and their crackheads there

449
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Speaker 1: their football junkies. But I don't know. Man, you hit

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Speaker 1: a certain age and it just both guys have more money.

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Speaker 1: I mean, both guys are worth hundreds of millions and

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Speaker 1: maybe not hundreds of millions of dollars, but have both

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Speaker 1: made over a hundred million dollars in their life just

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Speaker 1: coaching football, just in the last ten years. So I

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Speaker 1: I enjoy it while we have because it's not gonna

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Speaker 1: be there much longer. Okay, let's go middlecuff mail back.

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Speaker 1: Keeping this podcast a little shorter, not as much going

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Speaker 1: on President's Day weekend ending. If you're listening to this,

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Speaker 1: it's over. Uh you know, I just I thought, I

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Speaker 1: thought I hit you with a little quick football pod.

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Speaker 1: Let you get out of here, you know, Well we'll

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Speaker 1: come hopefully. I'm a little dependent on on some good

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Speaker 1: ship happening here and it's kind of a slow time.

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Speaker 1: But don't worry. I might have to dive in deep

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Speaker 1: and come up with some some deeper topics, but I'm

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Speaker 1: not trying to manufacture stuff right now in the off

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Speaker 1: season because usually there's a lot of good buzz once

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Speaker 1: we get the combine. It's just like football porn with

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Speaker 1: Store Reese, which is leaks about trades. I mean, we're right,

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Speaker 1: we're a week away from from the really, really good stuff.

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Speaker 1: So bear with me this week and then we'll just

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Speaker 1: I mean, for two two straight months. There's nothing better

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Speaker 1: from the Combine till after the draft, of just rumors.

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Speaker 1: And I love a good football rumor, so we will

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Speaker 1: have that. And people hit me up like you don't

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Speaker 1: talk college football. I do. I just probably do it

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Speaker 1: a little more in season than I am off season,

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Speaker 1: just because I'm much more locked into the NFL than

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Speaker 1: I am. You know, Jim Levitt just left Oregon. That's

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Speaker 1: a pretty big story, but I don't want to tell you. Beside,

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Speaker 1: Jim Levitt left Oregon because Mario didn't really want them

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Speaker 1: there anymore. As a league insider, not a league insider,

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Speaker 1: but a guy on the agent side explained it to me,

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Speaker 1: these two meat heads not getting along and This was

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Speaker 1: in the works for a while, and you know, the

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Speaker 1: SEC has covered a lot like the NFL. But I

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Speaker 1: don't live and breathe the SEC every day recruiting and stuff.

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Speaker 1: But once the season, we'll talk a lot of uh

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Speaker 1: do college football in the fall for sure, So I'm

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Speaker 1: not I'm open to do in both. You can always

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Speaker 1: hit me up on the Middlecoff mail Bag at John

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Speaker 1: Middlecoff is my Twitter handle, my Instagram handle, my everything handle.

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Speaker 1: But for this mail bag and every mail bag I

494
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Speaker 1: do it every podcast. Hit me up on Insta and

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Speaker 1: just slide up in those d m s and ask

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Speaker 1: a question. I got a bunch this week. I've banged

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Speaker 1: out a lot in the last month. But John, question

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Speaker 1: for the pod. Okay, we'll start with this one. Why

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Speaker 1: don't more teams often run offensive sets with two running

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Speaker 1: backs with one being a third down back of a

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Speaker 1: scap back like James White and Sony Michelle on the

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Speaker 1: field at the same time Nick Chubb and Duke Johnson

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Speaker 1: something like that. That would give you so many options.

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Speaker 1: That's a pretty good question, probably a better question for

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Speaker 1: a coach than me. If I had to give you

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Speaker 1: a good explanation in my opinion would probably be because

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Speaker 1: of the rise of the rules. It's never been eat

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Speaker 1: because it feels like it used to happen a little more.

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Speaker 1: Two running backs, not not even just a fullback end

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Speaker 1: of running back, but just two running backs on the field.

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Speaker 1: You you never see that now. I also think because

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Speaker 1: most times you're scat back. To be a really good

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Speaker 1: running back in the NFL in two thousand nineteen or

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Speaker 1: just the last several years, probably post this new cb A,

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Speaker 1: you gotta be a three down back. Look at all

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Speaker 1: the best running backs in the NFL all catch the

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Speaker 1: ball really well. Girly Levian, David Johnson, Zeke, all the

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Speaker 1: young guys, say Kwon Uh, DeVonta Freeman, most of them.

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Speaker 1: The Patriots are unique. They use guys for specific roles.

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Speaker 1: Most teams when they go all in a running back

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Speaker 1: forever Marshawn had really good hands. Shady McCoy excellent pass catcher.

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Speaker 1: Most teams running back like their bell cow running back

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Speaker 1: is a pass catcher. I'm not a big Lamar Miller guy,

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Speaker 1: but Lamar catches the ball really well. Forever with the Niners,

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Speaker 1: Frank Gore three down running back. So if you're gonna

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Speaker 1: go in on a running back and really value him.

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Speaker 1: Most of the guys can do all three things. So

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Speaker 1: I think that's a big reason when I when I

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Speaker 1: first got into the NFL in two thousand and ten,

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Speaker 1: there was a big line of delineation between your two

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Speaker 1: down running back and then your third down back. The

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Speaker 1: irony is we had Shandy McCoy on the team, we

533
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Speaker 1: just didn't quite know then and then what he became,

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Speaker 1: and then all these guys in the league. So I

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Speaker 1: think the league has just really changed a lot of

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Speaker 1: these guys, whether it's seven on seven camps. I don't

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Speaker 1: necessarily know the reason why they're all good pass catchers,

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Speaker 1: but name me a really good running back that can't

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Speaker 1: catch the ball, and I'm kind of like, you know,

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Speaker 1: Adrian Peterson is the last of that generation that's just

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Speaker 1: like a between the tack just a running back, not

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Speaker 1: a pass catcher. Now, now you have to be able

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Speaker 1: to do both. I'm not really messing with you if

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Speaker 1: you can't do both. If I if I'm a team,

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Speaker 1: I'm definitely not paying you if you can't do both.

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Speaker 1: So I think it's more that not many teams have

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Speaker 1: Sony and James White. Most teams when you just look

548
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Speaker 1: around the NFL. They're starting running back is their pass catcher.

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Speaker 1: Like all the guys I listed how the Niners paid

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Speaker 1: Jerick McKinnon last year to be there starting running back.

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Speaker 1: His best attribute is a pass catcher. The Colts look

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Speaker 1: at those two guys they have Mac. I'm just trying

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Speaker 1: to go around the league. In my head, that's the

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Speaker 1: problem with Leonard four netteca is he's not a very

555
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Speaker 1: good pass catcher. That's why he's the most overvalued player.

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Speaker 1: You know, in the recent memory of drafting that high

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Speaker 1: Look Christian McCaffrey, what what He's basically a receiver who

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Speaker 1: can also run the ball. So I I think it's

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Speaker 1: more just with the personnel. The kid, the kid from

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Speaker 1: Florida State, with the Minnesota Vikings, Cook from Florida State,

561
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Speaker 1: pass catcher Dalvin. All these guys can catch the ball.

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Speaker 1: That's what you want, you know, look at the That's

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Speaker 1: the problem with Jordan Howard right now with the with

564
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Speaker 1: Chicago Bears, can't really catch the ball. That's why they

565
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Speaker 1: like to recohen because you just it makes your offense

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Speaker 1: much more dynamic. And if I by running back and

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Speaker 1: do both, then I can get a tight end or

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Speaker 1: two on the field or wide receivers. So I actually

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Speaker 1: think when you're running back and do both, it gives

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Speaker 1: you much more options than doing with two because instead

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Speaker 1: of having two guys on the field when you know

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Speaker 1: one can't catch, I have my one running back on

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Speaker 1: the field. Let's say it's Zeke. I also have a

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Speaker 1: tight end, and I got three wide receivers. Who am

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Speaker 1: I gonna throw it to? You don't know? I can

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Speaker 1: throw it to any five of the guys. So that's uh,

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Speaker 1: off the cuff coach Middlecoff's thoughts. Uh, Let's see if

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Speaker 1: I can find another one question for the pod. We

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Speaker 1: hear Johnny Manzel, Baker, Mayfield, Russell Wilson, But why don't

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Speaker 1: we hear more Michael Vick comparison to Kyler Murray. That's

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Speaker 1: a great question. I think we should hear more Kyler

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Speaker 1: Murray and Michael Vick comparison. I'd say the difference is

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Speaker 1: because they are similar athletes. Kyler is a superior thrower

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Speaker 1: of the football from an accurate stand. Accurate stand accuracy standpoint.

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Speaker 1: Hard to get tongue twisted here, then, Michael Vick, Michael

586
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Speaker 1: wasn't a very accurate quarterback. Now, he was a bigger

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Speaker 1: probably I don't know faster is fair. They might be

588
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Speaker 1: the same speed. But he was just a bigger version

589
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Speaker 1: of Kyler and he probably had a stronger arm. But

590
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Speaker 1: he was not a very accurate quarterback. The one thing

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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray really hangs his hat on is accuracy. He's

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Speaker 1: a really accurate player. So I like that. I would

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Speaker 1: not compare Kyler to Johnny Menzel at all. I would

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Speaker 1: not compare him to Baker Mayfield at all. I would

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Speaker 1: do like a combination of Russell Wilson and Mike Vick.

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Speaker 1: I think if you could kind of mold those two together,

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Speaker 1: that's kind of the comparison. I I like that because

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Speaker 1: the one thing Michael Vick, Ryan Grigson told me this

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Speaker 1: once and I people think Ryan Grigson hayter. I just

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Speaker 1: don't think he's very good his job. But he did

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Speaker 1: make a great point about Michael Vick was it was

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Speaker 1: the one guy he ever scouted. They could have played

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Speaker 1: like seven NFL positions. You know. You couldn't played quarterback,

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Speaker 1: could have played running back, could have played wide receiver,

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Speaker 1: could have played outside linebacker. If he put on a

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Speaker 1: little weight, outside linebacker like a in a four three,

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Speaker 1: like a will side linebacker, could have played safety and

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Speaker 1: probably couldn't played corner. Look at Kyler. He can play quarterback,

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Speaker 1: He could definitely play wide receiver. He could probably be

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Speaker 1: a scatback type running back, the ones we talked about.

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Speaker 1: If he could catch, he could probably play corner or

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Speaker 1: even free safety. So I think you're looking at a

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Speaker 1: similar athlete just on the scale of elite, elite, elite.

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Speaker 1: You know he's gonna immediately when he comes into the

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Speaker 1: NFL be one of the best athletes in the league,

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Speaker 1: if not immediately the best athlete in the league, kind

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Speaker 1: of like circle Michael Vick. So I like that to me,

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Speaker 1: Michael Vick is you can't just say Michael vickause Michael

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Speaker 1: Vick wasn't that accurate. So you gotta use like Michael Vick,

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Speaker 1: Anna Russell Wilson, or Michael Vick mixed with Baker Mayfield.

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Speaker 1: Because as Lincoln Riley told Peter King today that eight

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Speaker 1: or maybe Peter looked this up, of Kyler Murray's passes

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Speaker 1: this year came from within the pocket. So I think

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Speaker 1: the notion and we all just naturally do it whenever

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Speaker 1: we have a runner Oh, he's throwing on the run.

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Speaker 1: Just another Kyler's throwing on the run. No, he actually threw.

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Speaker 1: Most of his past is from inside of the pocket.

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Speaker 1: Could you see the a f becoming a sort of

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Speaker 1: developmental league to the NFL, just like the G League

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Speaker 1: is the NBA. I think it would be a good thing.

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Speaker 1: What's your take on it? My take is this, Here's

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Speaker 1: what I would do if I was the a f

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Speaker 1: I would have there are eight divisions, right the NFC North, South, West,

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Speaker 1: and East. Same with the a f C. So you

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Speaker 1: got I think you've got eight teams in the a

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Speaker 1: f C. If you don't, I'd get eight teams in

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Speaker 1: or in the a f And I would have every

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Speaker 1: division combined for one team. Because in basketball it's just

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Speaker 1: easier there's less players. But in football, to get a

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Speaker 1: football roster, you're gonna need forty or fifty guys. Well,

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Speaker 1: every practice squad now is ten guys. So if I

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Speaker 1: get and you could throw in a couple of futures.

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Speaker 1: So every team in a division. So let's say the

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Speaker 1: a f C R NFC West gets the San Diego

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Speaker 1: team and the other and the other team either the

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Speaker 1: a f C or the NFC gets the Arizona team.

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Speaker 1: Both teams are littered with all their practice squad guys.

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Speaker 1: Now be a little difficult because every team runs a

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Speaker 1: different scheme, but you could just kind of run some

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Speaker 1: generic schemes, right, you just run some basic plays. You

651
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: can throw some wrinkles in there, but it would just

652
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Speaker 1: be to get these guys live reps. So let's say

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Speaker 1: the San Diego team was the NFC West representative and

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Speaker 1: that or that was their team, the San Diego Fleet.

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Speaker 1: So the Seattle Seahawks, the forty Niners, the Rams, and

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals would litter that team with all their practice

657
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Speaker 1: squad guys. They can get a couple of quarterbacks, they

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Speaker 1: get players in every position, and that would be their

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Speaker 1: version of live reps. Because when the season starts, the

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Speaker 1: practice squad guys don't get any reps. So that and

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Speaker 1: you get to evaluate the guys and for whatever reason,

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Speaker 1: to find the Niners I don't want that guy. I

663
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Speaker 1: can cut him in another team. He's available to another team,

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Speaker 1: or you can do something like maybe you could trade

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Speaker 1: AF players. I don't know you could do. It would

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Speaker 1: just kind of turn it into somewhat of a G league,

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Speaker 1: which I think is there, but you have to combine

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Speaker 1: some teams now, or maybe you could do it regionally

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Speaker 1: like the Niners, the Raiders, the Broncos and the Chiefs,

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Speaker 1: or one you could inner division. I don't know how

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Speaker 1: you do it, but you set it up. It would

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Speaker 1: be easy just to separate divisions and you let them

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Speaker 1: play together. You let him fill out the roster, and

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Speaker 1: you let your guys develop. Imagine I've been saying this

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Speaker 1: forever on Twitter. Imagine if I told you, because the

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00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: quarterbacks should not be the guys that are the quarterback,

677
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,879
Speaker 1: Hackenburg shouldn't be the quarterback. The quarterbacks in this league

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Speaker 1: should be C. J. Bethard should be Deshaun Kaiser, should be,

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Speaker 1: Brett Hunley should be who just late round picks from

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Speaker 1: the Nick Mullins. I don't know. I'm just using these

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Speaker 1: guys at the top of my Connor Cook guys, Kyle Louletta,

682
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,760
Speaker 1: guys like that should be the quarterbacks in this league.

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Speaker 1: And then fifth, sixth, seventh and undrafted free agents that

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Speaker 1: were kept on team should be in this league instead

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Speaker 1: of guys. I saw a clip yesterday of Keith Reeser.

686
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Speaker 1: The Niners drafted him back in the day. He played

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Speaker 1: for the Chiefs for a while. He was drafted like

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Speaker 1: two thousand twelve or two. He's drafted so long ago

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Speaker 1: two maybe it's two thousand thirteen. I got signed who

690
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Speaker 1: the league? Now, a couple of these guys are gonna

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Speaker 1: get shots. But imagine if all these practice squad guys

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Speaker 1: were playing. Think how much differently than you'd evaluate them

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Speaker 1: in training camp when you're watching them. You got this

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Speaker 1: guy made a couple of plays. Let's look at his

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Speaker 1: A F film. Got his a F film is awesome.

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Speaker 1: We gotta be all over this guy if you get

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Speaker 1: If the Seattle Seahawks cut him, this guy could be

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Speaker 1: our backup offensive guard. Look at his A F film.

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Speaker 1: That to me is where it's headed, give or take

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Speaker 1: something like that. Because I was texting with an agent

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Speaker 1: this weekend, I said, why couldn't you double dip if

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Speaker 1: you're a practice squad player. Here's how it works. The

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Speaker 1: moment the season ends, your contract ends, and then they

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Speaker 1: resign you to what's called a futures contract. So the

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Speaker 1: moment you sign a futures contract, let's say you're on

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Speaker 1: the Niners. The Niners do not make the playoffs. That's

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Speaker 1: why usually the Monday after Week seventeen. You see they've

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Speaker 1: signed fifteen guys. A lot of those guys are usually

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Speaker 1: their practice squad guys, and a couple other guys on

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Speaker 1: the street. That contract, it's not guaranteed, but only runs

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Speaker 1: through training camp. So if you make the team, then

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Speaker 1: technically you'd be under a veterans minimum deal or a

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Speaker 1: league minimum deal or whatever. But if I cut you

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Speaker 1: and I want you on practice squad, I end that

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Speaker 1: contract and then I resign you to a practice squad contract,

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Speaker 1: so you could be a practice squad player and instead

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Speaker 1: of this when the season ends, signing a future contract

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Speaker 1: because you're not getting paid right now. If you're on

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Speaker 1: a futures contract and you're a practice quade guy, but

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Speaker 1: you're a practic quad guy, I think you make or

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Speaker 1: whatever during the fall. Then the season ends, you should

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Speaker 1: go play in the a F. And as the agent

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Speaker 1: told me, the moment you go to training camp with

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Speaker 1: the a F, you have to stay through the finish

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00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,359
Speaker 1: of the league. Well, they pay a seventy grand, so

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Speaker 1: you get nine grand. Seventy grand. That's I'm no math

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Speaker 1: major here, but what's that a hundred sixty grand? So

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Speaker 1: instead of just making ninety. I'd rather make a hundred sixty.

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Speaker 1: It's not like in the Fall you're playing because not

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Speaker 1: only you don't even travel, let alone really practice, you

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Speaker 1: only get fourteen padded wraxes. It's it would be one

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Speaker 1: thing if you're like, I'm just so tired tired from

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Speaker 1: doing what You're not playing in any games, you might

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Speaker 1: as well go get the reps. It's not like the

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Speaker 1: a F plays a twenty game schedule. I think it's

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Speaker 1: seven or eight games. So to me, if I was

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Speaker 1: an agent, I would have had my practice squad guy

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Speaker 1: double dip. And I think we're gonna see that a

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Speaker 1: lot next year. So instead of just not being able

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Speaker 1: to resign my practice squad guy, I think teams will

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Speaker 1: be like, shit, I'm losing a lot of guys. I

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Speaker 1: want to keep the develop we gotta connect with the

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Speaker 1: a F. And I think that's what the a F

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Speaker 1: there is gonna be connection. I can already see it

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Speaker 1: coming from a mile away because next year a lot

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Speaker 1: of guys are gonna try to double dip. And if

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Speaker 1: I was a practice quade guy and I'm I love

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Speaker 1: my money, I would do both. What do you who

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Speaker 1: do you think has a better chance of winning the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl in the next couple of years, Atlanta or Indie.

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Speaker 1: Whenever we talk about Super Bowl teams, the first thing

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Speaker 1: I always think about is who's your coach, who's your quarterback?

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Speaker 1: So Atlanta, dan Quinn, Matt Ryan both solid. I think

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Speaker 1: dan Quinn is a solid you know, probably between eight

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Speaker 1: to twelve coach in the league. And Matt Ryan same thing.

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Speaker 1: Somewhere between eight twelve. The Colts they started one in five,

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Speaker 1: they ended up making the playoffs. The year before that,

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Speaker 1: Frank Right was the offensive coordinator. Now he wasn't calling plays,

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Speaker 1: but he clearly played a big role in the Eagles

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Speaker 1: winning the Super Bowl. He's one for one and made

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Speaker 1: the playoffs. We know when Andrew Lux healthy what he is.

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Speaker 1: He's an elite, top five quarterback. So it has to

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Speaker 1: be the Colts, uh now both playing tough divisions. When

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Speaker 1: you look at the Falcons, the Panthers might come back

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Speaker 1: to earth a little bit, but with Bruce arians and

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Speaker 1: Tampa they're gonna be a lot more competitive. And the

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Speaker 1: Saints are clearly really good. When you look at the

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Speaker 1: a f C South, the Titans are just solid. I

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Speaker 1: mean every year they're gonna be competing for a wild card. Uh.

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Speaker 1: The Houston Texans are also just pretty solid that they're

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Speaker 1: gonna be a fringe playoff team, so it's gonna be

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Speaker 1: harder to win the a f C South. But I

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Speaker 1: do think the Colts just high end because of Andrew Luck,

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Speaker 1: because of how well they dre afted last year. They

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Speaker 1: have multiple second round picks this year because of the

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Speaker 1: Jet trade. I go Indie, but someone instagrammed a question

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Speaker 1: to me, you can always do that too, if it's

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Speaker 1: not even for the podcast. I'll just answer the question.

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Speaker 1: What I thought the biggest need was for the Falcons

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Speaker 1: this offseason. Like, to me, it's just health. You saw

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Speaker 1: that first game. When they're healthy, they they're a playoff team.

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Speaker 1: They got Julio, they got Ridley, Uh, Devonte Freeman when

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00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: he comes back. So offensive weapons why and and Matt

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Speaker 1: Ryan is just good. Now he's not great, but he's

785
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: not bad. He's just good. You can you can win

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Speaker 1: ten twelve games with him and get to the playoffs

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Speaker 1: and get to the super Bowl with him as your

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Speaker 1: starting quarterback. Defensively, they had a ton of injuries. I

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Speaker 1: mean that first game in the first month, lost their

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Speaker 1: starting safety, they lost their middle linebacker, Like who were

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Speaker 1: two of their better players on defense? Their middle linebacker

792
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: was their best player. You could only lose so many

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Speaker 1: blue chip guys and still maintain it because last year,

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Speaker 1: say what you want about Sark, their offense did score points.

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Speaker 1: They're defense was a joke. So their head coach is

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Speaker 1: a defensive guy. Fired the defensive coordinator. He calling the plays. Now,

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Speaker 1: I think I'd expect both those two teams to be

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Speaker 1: playoff teams this year. Is it possible for the Giants

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Speaker 1: and the Steelers to make a trade? O? B J

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Speaker 1: and Antonio Brown? I like this question. I would say, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I can't see it. Kind of a cool Madden type

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00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: question or a cool question for a podcast. But to me,

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Speaker 1: if the Giants are gonna trade Odell Beckham, they already

804
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Speaker 1: have some solid wide receivers, they have a receiving tight end,

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00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 1: they have a star running back. They gotta get draft capital.

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Speaker 1: Offensive lines a joke. Their defense needs help. To me,

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Speaker 1: the insane with the Steelers. The Steelers produced wide receivers.

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Speaker 1: You know they do it with ease. I mean they

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Speaker 1: got Juju two years ago in the second round. They

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Speaker 1: drafted James Washington last year at Oklahoma State in the

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Speaker 1: second round. They found Antonio Brown in the sixth round.

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Speaker 1: Look where they got Mike Wallace, Emmanuel Sanders both. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the Steelers do not need help finding wide receivers. So

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Speaker 1: if they're gonna trade Antonio Brown, to me, like the Giants,

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Speaker 1: they need to get draft capital because they need help

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Speaker 1: on defense. So I'd say, no, that's not a possibility. Okay,

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Speaker 1: last question. Do you see the Green Bay Packers getting

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Speaker 1: into the Levian Antonio Brown sweepsteaks? Start with Levian, the

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Speaker 1: Williams kid, the running back. I actually showed some signs.

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Speaker 1: I know Packer fans were always getting mad that they

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Speaker 1: didn't give them the rock more. I would say, you

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Speaker 1: can't discount it. You know, much more aggressive GM. But

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure they got two first round picks, right.

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Speaker 1: They got their own, which I think is picked twelve.

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Speaker 1: They got the Saints pick, which is not great. It's

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Speaker 1: pick what twenty nine? So mm hmmm. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if you ever want to pay a running back. I

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Speaker 1: just I don't love the business of that Antonio Brown.

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Speaker 1: I don't think you can discount because I would imagine

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Speaker 1: they're gonna cut Randall Cobb. This offseason. They do have

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Speaker 1: a star wide receiver who's He's not Antonio Brown, but

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Speaker 1: he's a legit top ten guy. I'm biased. I love

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Speaker 1: Davante Adams for the state guy, probably top six or

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Speaker 1: seven guy. Really at the end of the day, like

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00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,839
Speaker 1: he's your guy. But if you could get Antonio Brown

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Speaker 1: for third or fourth round pick, why not. You know

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Speaker 1: you got your paying Aaron Rodgers all that money, you

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Speaker 1: might as well go in. I have to look at

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Speaker 1: the cap numbers. Do they have the room to take

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Speaker 1: on a twenty million dollar contract? Think about the NFL

841
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Speaker 1: as you can always cut players to make room. Uh.

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Speaker 1: If I was agreeing with a Packers, I'd be much

843
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Speaker 1: more aggressive and much more interested than Antonio Brown that

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Speaker 1: I would Levy on, just because the history how easy

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Speaker 1: it is in the league to find running Hell, look

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00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 1: at the Steelers. I mean they got until James Connor

847
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Speaker 1: got hurt. I think, you know, early December he was

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00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 1: kicking ask and taking names. I think his production from

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Speaker 1: the previous year of Levian was basically game for game,

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Speaker 1: yard for yard, touchdown for touchdown, almost his equal. And

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Speaker 1: he was what a fourth or fifth round pick that

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Speaker 1: overcame cancer. So I I would not. I'm not in

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Speaker 1: the Levian business, and I think Levian is a great player.

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Speaker 1: It's just too easy to find running backs. It's just

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Speaker 1: too easy to allocate your resources to other players. So

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Speaker 1: that's that's actually my last question in my inbox. Hit

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Speaker 1: me up Middlecoff mail bag as always at John Middlecoff.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. Hopefully you guys enjoy your week. Uh,

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Speaker 1: we're not that far away from the combine. Like I said,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna start having some some juicy, some juicy stories

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Speaker 1: and I'm excited. So talk to you soon. Talk to

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Speaker 1: you a little later this week. Thanks for listening, Tell

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Speaker 1: your friends about us, and see soon.