1 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: You're listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast DAM 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: Paranormal podcast network, where we offer you podcasts of the paranormal, supernatural, 3 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: and the unexplained. Get ready now for Beyond Contact with 4 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: Captain Rong. 5 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:24,639 Speaker 2: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and 6 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 2: opinions expressed by the host are their thoughts and opinions 7 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 2: only and do not reflect those of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, Coast 8 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 2: to Coast AM, employees of Premier Networks, or their sponsors 9 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 2: and associates. We would like to encourage you to do 10 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 2: your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. 11 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 3: Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron and. Each week on Beyond Contact, 12 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 3: Wilks for the latest news in ufology, discuss some of 13 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 3: the classic cases and bring you the latest information from 14 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 3: the newest cases as we talk with the top experts. 15 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 4: Welcome to Beyond Contact on Captain Ron and today I 16 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:16,680 Speaker 4: have the great pleasure of speaking with one of the 17 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:21,040 Speaker 4: world's leading UFO researchers, historians and publishers, and that is 18 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 4: none other than mister Richard Dolan himself. In addition to 19 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 4: as many books, Richard has also hosting a podcast on 20 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:32,759 Speaker 4: YouTube called Richard Dolan Intelligent Disclosure. We are thrilled he's 21 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 4: going to be joining us again at Contact in the Desert. 22 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 4: He's always a staple there. Great to see again, Richard. 23 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 5: How you doing, Hi, Ron, I'm always happy to be 24 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:41,759 Speaker 5: on a program with you. Thanks for having me. 25 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 4: Here, of course. I bet you feel good getting that 26 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 4: first of your three book series done. 27 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, this is I have. This is my second series. 28 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 5: I did the UFOs in the National Security State, which 29 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 5: is still, by the way in progress, but this is 30 00:01:54,880 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 5: a three volume series on USOS so unidentified submerged water 31 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 5: based UFOs we could say what UAP. And it's been 32 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 5: a really three year project. It's taken since twenty twenty two, 33 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 5: and I just published the first of those three volumes. 34 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 5: And yeah, it's been a lot. It's been a very 35 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 5: long project. But I'm so pleased with this one, and 36 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:20,799 Speaker 5: I'm just happy to say the other two volumes, all 37 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 5: of those cases have been written. They're all complete. I 38 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 5: will I'll be organizing them in as proper books for 39 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 5: release in the next couple of months, so I think 40 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 5: all should be out. I'm hoping by midyear of this 41 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 5: year twenty twenty five, certainly this year, they'll be all out. 42 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 4: That's fantastic. I look forward to it all right, So listen, 43 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 4: I feel like you're one of the most well read 44 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 4: people on this subject, and I'd like to ask you 45 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 4: a few overview questions about where you sit today regarding 46 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 4: the phenomenon before we get into the new books. I've 47 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 4: always loved how careful you are not to overreach, and 48 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 4: you pretty much stick to the facts about what the 49 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:02,119 Speaker 4: historical record shows. One thing I've noticed in the last 50 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 4: few years is you do seem to be moving much 51 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 4: more on the side of believing that let's call it 52 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:11,359 Speaker 4: aliens or at least some form of NHI is visiting Earth. 53 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 4: Where I used to feel you were way more cautious 54 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 4: about saying that what caused you to move in this direction. 55 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 5: Yes, when I first for many years, when I jumped 56 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 5: into the UFO field, I think that's probably true. I 57 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 5: was very self consciously trying to be just the facts. 58 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 5: I didn't want to overly conclude. I think it was 59 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 5: enough for a day's work to just point out what 60 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 5: is the historical reality of this, there is something here 61 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 5: where they're from, what their agendas were. I was pretty 62 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 5: hesitant to go into that, at least openly. Privately, I've 63 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 5: always been happy to speculate about that, but publicly maybe 64 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 5: not as much. But I would say in the last 65 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 5: five even a little more than that five years, I thought, 66 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 5: I have read a lot, I have studied a lot 67 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 5: about this, And I thought, if I've been studying this 68 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 5: for now about thirty years, and I still am I 69 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 5: going to pretend that I don't have an opinion, I don't. 70 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 5: I don't want to speculate on this. What is wrong 71 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 5: with speculating. There's nothing wrong with speculating, as long as 72 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 5: you try to base your speculations on as much accuracy 73 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 5: and truth as you can. So I thought, let's do that. 74 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:17,719 Speaker 5: I wrote a book called The Alien Agendas, which was 75 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:21,039 Speaker 5: basically that form of speculation where I just thought, look, 76 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 5: I'm not saying that I know this is how it is, 77 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:25,359 Speaker 5: but this is how it looks like to me based 78 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 5: on the evidence that is meaningful to me. And so 79 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 5: I have concluded, at least, let's say provisionally, that there 80 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 5: are probably a number of intelligences that are say, checking 81 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 5: us out. I think we're very interesting right now. I 82 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 5: think humanity is very interesting at this time in our history. 83 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 5: I mean, we're you know, we've gone for thousands, hundreds 84 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:46,039 Speaker 5: of thousands, you could see even say millions of years 85 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 5: as developing upright, you know, hominins living in a certain way, 86 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 5: and only in the last couple of hundred years, it's 87 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:56,279 Speaker 5: really not long we've had technology that's worth anything. That 88 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 5: We've had balloons, and then we get railroads, and then 89 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 5: we get airplanes, and then we get the electric light bulb, 90 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:03,919 Speaker 5: and next thing you know, we're in wireless radio and 91 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 5: atomic weapons and computers, and now we're into AI. It's 92 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 5: all been very fast. So that to me, I think 93 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 5: is certainly enough to get the attention of any observing intelligence. 94 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 5: They're going to know we're about to make a debut, 95 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,160 Speaker 5: and I think they're looking at us very carefully. 96 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:21,480 Speaker 4: This is the evidence you're talking about. What is the 97 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 4: strongest evidence that supports that we've been visited? 98 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 5: I think we have. I'll go back to, first of all, 99 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 5: the military declassified UFO reports. I've always liked to start 100 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 5: with those. What I learned is that there is a 101 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 5: very large cache of declassified United States government documents from 102 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 5: the Department of Defense, different military services and so on, 103 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 5: that described in great detail in many cases objects that 104 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:52,279 Speaker 5: are described as flying saucers hanging out over sensitive installations, 105 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 5: triggering alarms of all types, triggering attempts to intercept frequently, 106 00:05:57,839 --> 00:05:59,720 Speaker 5: and you know, you get to read these reports. They 107 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:04,280 Speaker 5: were classified for many years. There was a declassification after 108 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:08,040 Speaker 5: the scandal of Watergate in the nineteen seventies, we had 109 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 5: a bit of an opening of the Freedom of Information Act, 110 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 5: and for about five years particularly, we were able to 111 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 5: get a lot of very very intriguing UFO documents declassified, 112 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 5: and all someone has to do is read them. It 113 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 5: doesn't prove that aliens are here, but it does prove 114 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 5: doesn't hint or suggest. It proves that the US government 115 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:31,799 Speaker 5: has lied about UFOs. So we would tell the public 116 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 5: nothing to this. It's all hoaxes, hallucinations, misidentification, etc. And 117 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 5: then you read the classified reports and you can see 118 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 5: they were thinking nothing of the sort. Once I discovered 119 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 5: in the nineties when I was researching this, that there's 120 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:49,839 Speaker 5: a disconnect between what we were being told and what 121 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 5: the national security community was actually thinking about this, I felt, well, 122 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 5: I'd like to get to the bottom. Did they ever 123 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:58,159 Speaker 5: stop being interested? Did they ever figure this out? Like 124 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:02,239 Speaker 5: what these UFOs were answer no, not that anyone can see. 125 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:05,159 Speaker 5: This was never resolved. It was always a problem, it 126 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 5: was always a matter of secrecy. To conclude that it's 127 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 5: alien is that's a different level of proof than saying 128 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 5: there are UFOs. It's one thing to say they're UFOs, 129 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 5: it's another to say they're aliens. But one reason I 130 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 5: do conclude that it's probably aliens is, you know, beyond 131 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 5: the declassified documents, you have just a lot of really 132 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 5: good research. I'm a big fan of the late Leonard Stringfield. 133 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 5: He was one of the og UFO researchers from the 134 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 5: seventies and eighties, actually even before that, but he started 135 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 5: collecting stories and that's what we can call them, from 136 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:40,559 Speaker 5: retired military people, a lot of Air Force. He lived 137 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 5: not far from Air Force headquarters, and Stringfield collected well 138 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 5: over one hundred testimonies from retired military or sometimes there's 139 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 5: spouses talking about alien bodies being studied in secure facilities, 140 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 5: or alien craft retrievals from this or that other place. 141 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 5: And I think when you put together or that research, 142 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 5: along with other research that people were doing in that 143 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 5: period of time, it's actually really strong case that we've 144 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 5: got a phenomenon that existed that's not supposed to exist, 145 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 5: and there's more than a little bit of evidence or 146 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 5: at least reason to think that there are genuine aliens 147 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 5: that are behind that phenomenon. So I think it's the 148 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 5: best hypothesis. The extra trastrial one, I think is still 149 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 5: the best. That doesn't mean that there aren't other strange 150 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 5: things to this phenomenon. People talk about interdimensional aspects and whatnot, 151 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 5: and all of that is potentially true. Seems to me 152 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 5: they're coming from somewhere else, and that somewhere else is 153 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 5: probably another world somewhere in this universe. 154 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 4: I think you've also said that you believe that we've 155 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 4: recovered ET spacecraft through these various crash retrievals. Do you 156 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 4: believe as some people do, like doctor Greer for example, 157 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:55,559 Speaker 4: and some others that believe there's a small worldwide, unacknowledged 158 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:58,679 Speaker 4: let's call it, a cabal hidden within black projects in 159 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 4: our military who hold this knowledge and are the ones 160 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 4: keeping it secret? Or do you think it's just our 161 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:06,599 Speaker 4: regular military making these recoveries. 162 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a great question. I think it's a little 163 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 5: bit of both. I think primarily, what when you talk 164 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 5: about the black cabal off the grid. I think that's 165 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:17,439 Speaker 5: ultimately where this power lies. Yes, but I don't think 166 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:21,319 Speaker 5: there's any question that standard military personnel have been involved 167 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 5: in these retrievals, because we have a lot of testimony 168 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 5: from retired military people to exactly that effect that described, 169 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 5: whether it's to Leonard Stringfield or any other researcher, how 170 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 5: on one occasion they were tasked with performing security detail 171 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 5: or retrieval detail or this type of thing. So it 172 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 5: seems to me that when I say regular military, that's 173 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 5: not probably accurate for me to put it that way, 174 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 5: but some kind of standard military operation frequently can retrieve this. 175 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 5: But you know, the way that whole system works is 176 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 5: that you could be a in the army, but you 177 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 5: or your colleague might be part of a classified program 178 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 5: that they're just not telling anyone about. So once once 179 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:07,239 Speaker 5: the secrecy is deep, so once once a craft has recovered. 180 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 5: What it seems to me that we have the activity 181 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 5: of private corporations becoming involved. So what it looks like 182 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 5: in conjunction with military people. I don't know exactly how 183 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:20,680 Speaker 5: the legal structure of this works like, but it does 184 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:25,199 Speaker 5: seem that you've got private corporations that are custodians, let's say, 185 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 5: or at least in charge of managing the technology of 186 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:35,680 Speaker 5: these these craft. So there's a lot of legal a 187 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 5: lot of legal information that we still want to get 188 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:42,959 Speaker 5: as in terms of who's in control of the technology 189 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 5: or and or bodies and how does this all work. 190 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 5: I think a lot of it has been privatized to 191 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 5: some extent. 192 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 4: Richard, we got to take a quick break there. When 193 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 4: we come back, we're going to talk more to you 194 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:54,679 Speaker 4: about a couple more et questions, and then we're going 195 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 4: to move on to your brand new book series on 196 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 4: the USOS. You're listening to Beyond Contact on the Eye 197 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 4: Heart Radio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. 198 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 4: We're back on Beyond Contact. I'm speaking with mister Richard Dolan. 199 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 4: I've been saying for about twelve years now that I 200 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 4: do not see what they call big D disclosure from 201 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 4: our government coming. If someone does have this secret knowledge 202 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:34,679 Speaker 4: in these technologies, I don't see any upside to them 203 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 4: letting that information out. However, recently I have heard from 204 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 4: more and more individuals besides Steve Bassett, of course, who 205 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 4: now claimed that they feel like there will be some 206 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 4: form of disclosure in fact coming and it seems to 207 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 4: be within the next two years. And that includes doctor Greer, 208 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 4: Danny Sheehan, I think Jeremy Corbel and George Nap have 209 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 4: said something to that effect as well. Where do you 210 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 4: set on that possibility. 211 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, I would not make any predictions along those lines. 212 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 5: We've been hearing predictions for years and years and years, honestly, 213 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 5: and not to take any thing away from those people, 214 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 5: and maybe it's possible. I mean, here's the thing. I 215 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 5: agree with you Ron in your perspective, like, there's no 216 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:17,199 Speaker 5: upside to those people who have this secret for giving 217 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 5: it up. But the thing is they are not the 218 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 5: only part of this equation. So they don't have one 219 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 5: hundred percent control. They have a lot of control, but 220 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 5: they're in a dynamic situation, a dynamic world. Things are changing. 221 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 5: I think of the old phrase the irresistible force versus 222 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 5: the immovable object, and the secrecy is the immovable object 223 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 5: and it always will be. But there is an increasingly 224 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 5: irresistible force to disclosure. And this is really going to 225 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 5: be interesting to see how this plays out. One very 226 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 5: well connected person used the phrase toothpaste out of the 227 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 5: tube with me. One time, and I've never forgotten it. 228 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 5: He say, Yep, it's just more toothpaste out of the tube. 229 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 5: And it's true, like, once some of this information is out, 230 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 5: it's it doesn't go back in. So we're at a 231 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 5: place now within our public discourse where certain things are 232 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 5: being acknowledged that we're never acknowledged before. But we are 233 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:10,439 Speaker 5: still in a place that we're still having real basic, 234 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 5: bare bones, low level conversation. It's just starting to creep 235 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 5: up there. I mean, publicly speaking, we're still we're still 236 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 5: not in a confirmation about UAP or UFOs or ET. 237 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 5: I mean, we're not anywhere near that. I just watch 238 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 5: some news coverage of annapolinea Luna, who's going to be 239 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 5: leading a task force in the next few months in 240 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 5: Congress on UFOs USOS. We're told also JFK RFK, Martin 241 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 5: Luther King, I'm like completely on board with that. That's wonderful. 242 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 5: But I've listened to a lot of media commentary that's 243 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 5: just vicious and going after these conspiracy mongering people and 244 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 5: so forth. So we're really not at a place even 245 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:51,439 Speaker 5: now where you know, a lot of folks in the 246 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 5: UFO community think, oh yeah, it's it's all out there. 247 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 5: We're all having this open conversation. Yeah, more than before, 248 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 5: but there is still a very intransit obstinate establishment that 249 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 5: is still not giving anything away here. So where is 250 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 5: this going to lead. We've had a lot of disclosure 251 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 5: up till now, where we now know that the US 252 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 5: government had a UFO program called ATIP. We now know 253 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 5: the US government and the Navy have procedures for reporting UFOs. 254 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 5: Ten years ago, that would have been incredible. We would 255 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 5: have thought that's disclosure. We've heard about exotic materials being 256 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 5: studied by the government, by the Army, all of these 257 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 5: I would have thought ten plus years ago, these would 258 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 5: have been enough to cause a kind of avalanche of disclosure, 259 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 5: and it hasn't happened. We have all of this information 260 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 5: out there and we're still arguing about what it means. 261 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 5: So to me, that just tells me there's a lot 262 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 5: more room, very likely for this argument to continue. You know, 263 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 5: Let's just say some insider, a whistleblower, another David Grush 264 00:14:56,080 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 5: comes forward and says I have proof about bodies. Well, 265 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 5: unless that person's able to bring out an alien body, 266 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 5: it's going to be very tough to get full agreement 267 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 5: on this. You can just see how the media will 268 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 5: work on it for sure. 269 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 4: And even video and photographic evidence today is so easily manipulated. 270 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 4: No one's going to believe it anyway. None of the 271 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 4: stuff moves the needle. Even the disclosure project from two 272 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 4: thousand and one didn't move the needle at all. 273 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 5: No, no, no, And that was that was a very 274 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 5: you know, a lot of people Stephen Greer is a 275 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 5: very polarizing person in the UFO field, but you got 276 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 5: to give this guy credit for that thing. The two 277 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 5: thousand and one disclosure project was heavy duty. It went 278 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 5: a little too far, in my opinion. They started getting 279 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 5: into the whole political need to ban space based weapons 280 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 5: and this and that. Though that was a bridge too far. 281 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 5: But just putting the evidence out there was a really 282 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 5: great idea and it was powerful, and you're right, nothing happened. 283 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 4: You know. I feel also that, you know, we way 284 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 4: oversimplify interacting with an alien race if that's what's coming. 285 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 4: Yesally we talk about it like it's people from across 286 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 4: the globe in another culture, and that will be the difficult, 287 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 4: But in reality, if they have the technology to transverse 288 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 4: space or even travel interdimensionally. However, they're getting here, their 289 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 4: intellect must be well beyond ours. So how do you 290 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 4: think it would go of us trying to interact with them? 291 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 4: I personally can't imagine they would care at all. I 292 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 4: equate it to us watching an ant farm. 293 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 5: I don't disagree with that at all. I wondered about 294 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 5: this a lot. There's many many folks connected with this 295 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 5: community who are totally on board with let's join the 296 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 5: Galactic Federation. Let's be on board. We'll become one with 297 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 5: them as if we're on an equal footing. And I don't. 298 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 5: I mean, just imagine what it feels like to sit 299 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 5: in a room with someone who's only got merely twice 300 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 5: your intelligence and looks like ten times better and is 301 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 5: just staring at looking at you, not saying a word. 302 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 5: Very intimidating it, just if it were a human being. 303 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 5: So you have to make you I hope I'm always 304 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:05,160 Speaker 5: like that when I'm with you. 305 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 4: You. I'm sure Tracy makes you feel that way on 306 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:10,680 Speaker 4: a daily basis. 307 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 5: She's been able to I'll tell you that. But you know, seriously, 308 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:19,120 Speaker 5: when you think about being in the room with I mean, 309 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 5: all of the descriptions that I have ever read or 310 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 5: talked to people about their encounter with beings like actual 311 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:30,360 Speaker 5: face to face, not getting some kind of telepathic download 312 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 5: or anything, but like an actual, alleged face to face. 313 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 5: It's very intimidating, it's very powerful. These beings clearly have 314 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 5: an incredible intellect. They're probably telepathic, they're probably part of 315 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 5: a hive mind. They may not laugh at all of 316 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 5: our jokes, and you know, they probably have a life 317 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 5: expectancy that's much longer than ours. Do we think that 318 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:50,199 Speaker 5: we're just going to be able to get all of 319 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:53,159 Speaker 5: those goodies when we join the galactic community, I don't know. 320 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:56,439 Speaker 5: But on the other hand, look, if if that's what 321 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 5: they are like, then I would say, we do want 322 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 5: to know this, and we want to be able to 323 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:06,439 Speaker 5: understand what they're like as best as we can and 324 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 5: get over the intimidation and get over that stuff, because 325 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:11,120 Speaker 5: if it's the reality, we're going to have to deal 326 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 5: with it. So I don't think it's the end of 327 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 5: the world. I mean, the story of humanity's quest through 328 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:20,160 Speaker 5: science is basically, you know, the dethroning of one myth 329 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 5: after another. We used to think that Earth was the 330 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:25,440 Speaker 5: center of the universe, well, okay, it isn't We used 331 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 5: to think a lot of things about how special the 332 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 5: human race was in this way or that way, And well, 333 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:33,439 Speaker 5: you know now that we learn about the consciousness of 334 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 5: other creatures on this planet intelligence, well, we're we are intelligent, 335 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 5: but we're not necessarily completely unique. And if we run 336 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 5: into an intelligence that's from somewhere else, we will have 337 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:48,919 Speaker 5: to probably recognize the fact that we're not operating on 338 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 5: their level. So that will be a psychological shock that 339 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 5: we'll have to deal with. Eventually. I think we'll learn 340 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:58,119 Speaker 5: to deal with that. But I think a really true 341 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 5: disclosure would form our society in all kinds of ways 342 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 5: that it could be very hard to predict. I tried 343 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 5: myself fifteen years ago with a book with a co author. 344 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:08,439 Speaker 5: We tried to plan that out, but it's a I 345 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 5: think a genuine opening of this subject would be probably 346 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 5: the most revolutionary act I can imagine. 347 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 4: No doubt. Okay, let's move on to your book series, 348 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 4: which is quite an ambitious task, but one I personally 349 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 4: feel really needed to be done. As you've specifically looked 350 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 4: at UFO cases that are in fact USO cases. As 351 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 4: you mentioned, unidentified submergen objects which are seen underwater. These 352 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 4: are often the forgotten, you know, misfit step brother of 353 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 4: the UFOs in the sky. And I've never been a 354 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 4: fan of this UAP designation, but this made sense when 355 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:49,440 Speaker 4: you think about it, because it's better to say unidentified 356 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:52,640 Speaker 4: anomalist phenomenon because it includes these usos. 357 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:56,640 Speaker 5: Right, it does work. Yeah, I feel similarly. In fact, 358 00:19:56,720 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 5: I started is my newest book out with of pages 359 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 5: which I called a word on UAP slash UFO, and 360 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:05,920 Speaker 5: I wanted to talk a little bit about that. But yeah, 361 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 5: I mean, so this project started out about three years 362 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 5: ago and I just started looking at a couple of 363 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 5: water based cases. There's a few that have always been 364 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:19,400 Speaker 5: somewhat well known to research. There's not many, but a few. 365 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 5: I was doing these as video presentations for my website 366 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:26,159 Speaker 5: over at Richard Dolan Members and they were popular and 367 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,440 Speaker 5: I thought, this is actually just fascinating, and I could 368 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:30,440 Speaker 5: tell it was a rabbit hole. The next thing I knew. 369 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:33,479 Speaker 5: By the summer of twenty twenty two, I was looking 370 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:36,880 Speaker 5: for every single database that I could find that had 371 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 5: USO cases. I was just hunting through. I went through 372 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:43,479 Speaker 5: the National UFO Reporting Center. I was given access to 373 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 5: the Moufon case management system. I was very grateful for that, 374 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 5: and the website of the late Carl find who was 375 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 5: a very very excellent UFO researcher who focused on water. 376 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 5: He had a good website which is not fully up 377 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:58,160 Speaker 5: any longer. But I was able to hunt through those 378 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:00,360 Speaker 5: in a lot of other books and magazines and out 379 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 5: of print books and all of that, and I ended 380 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:06,439 Speaker 5: up sifting through cases and collecting the USO cases that 381 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:08,919 Speaker 5: I thought were worthy, and I've got nearly seven hundred 382 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 5: of them going back a few hundred years. 383 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:13,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, Richard, it's a nice testament to those who had 384 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 4: the courage to share these stories, and this book honors 385 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:19,400 Speaker 4: them and their courage to come forward in a way. 386 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 4: I also thought that when we come back, we're going 387 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:24,160 Speaker 4: to talk to more with Richard about his incredible new 388 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 4: book series on USOS called A History of USOS. You're 389 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:30,879 Speaker 4: listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast to 390 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 4: Coast am Aeronormal podcast Network. We are back on Beyond Contact. 391 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:53,360 Speaker 4: I'm Captain Ron. We're talking with mister Richard Dolan about 392 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 4: his new book series, A History of USOS. Richard, incredibly, 393 00:21:56,840 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 4: you've uncovered six hundred and seventy two of these USO cases, 394 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 4: and these books seem to breathe life into these cases 395 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 4: that have sort of been overlooked and may not have 396 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 4: had the recognition they deserve, but they very well may 397 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 4: be an important piece to the whole puzzle. 398 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:15,440 Speaker 5: Right Absolutely, My number one goal was to breathe life 399 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 5: into these cases. I wanted to resuscitate them. They were 400 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:20,879 Speaker 5: I didn't even always think of them as cases. I 401 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 5: think of them as someone's incredible life experience. You know, 402 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:26,919 Speaker 5: a lot of these people they're no longer alive. This 403 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 5: first volume goes up to the end of nineteen sixty nine. 404 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 5: Most of those witnesses, I'm sure are no longer alive, 405 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 5: but they all, you know, they experienced something incredible, extraordinary, 406 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:42,399 Speaker 5: and I just wanted those stories not to be discarded. 407 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,119 Speaker 5: They and I thought, I don't want that to happen. 408 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 5: I want to do my best to write about these 409 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 5: in an accurate way, but also in a way that 410 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,359 Speaker 5: brings them to life. So that was my number one goal. 411 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 5: But a lot of other things happen in the course 412 00:22:56,520 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 5: of this project. One was an idea from my wife. 413 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:04,439 Speaker 5: Tracy was one of the best ideas, which was to 414 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:08,440 Speaker 5: create a series of categories for each sighting. So initially 415 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 5: we thought, well, you know, let's have a nice little 416 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 5: like a little ID card for each case. You know, 417 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 5: what color was the craft, what was the size of 418 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:18,480 Speaker 5: the craft, was it in the water, was it coming 419 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 5: out of the water, was it going into the water, 420 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 5: was there any effect on witnesses? And all of these 421 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 5: different things that I thought were useful categories. So I 422 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 5: did that for every single case, which was a lot 423 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,439 Speaker 5: of extra work, but it was worth it. And then 424 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 5: once that was all put together, I thought, I will 425 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 5: put this into a spreadsheet and let's see if we 426 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:38,160 Speaker 5: could study the data. All of that was chard. 427 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,680 Speaker 4: Not only did you put these in the categories, you 428 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 4: also give them a specific reading, which I thought was 429 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 4: an excellent idea, as Wow, this is very similar to 430 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 4: Ryan Wood doing that to his book about crash retrievals, 431 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 4: And that's really great for us viewers to see your 432 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,159 Speaker 4: opinion as the strength of evidence of these cases. I 433 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 4: just wanted to throw that in there too. 434 00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you. That was a suggestion, by the way, 435 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 5: from Colonel Carl Nell in one of my conversations with him. 436 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:05,919 Speaker 5: This was actually Carl was a really helpful reader to 437 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:09,119 Speaker 5: this book, and this was his suggestion, which was to 438 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 5: would I want to grade the strength of evidence of 439 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 5: each of these cases? At first, actually I didn't even 440 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 5: like I didn't know if I liked that idea, because 441 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 5: I felt like a lot of those cases that would 442 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 5: look like they had weak evidence very likely could have 443 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 5: been true anyway. So part of me didn't want to 444 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 5: go down that road. But Carl had a really good point, 445 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 5: which was, we still want to know which cases are 446 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,440 Speaker 5: bulletproof in terms of the evidence, And he was right, 447 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 5: And so I did create this five different criteria and 448 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,920 Speaker 5: I kind of weighted them, and on the basis of that, 449 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:44,119 Speaker 5: I had a score from two the minimum to twelve 450 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 5: the maximum. 451 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 4: Right, why do zero to ten when you could do 452 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 4: two to twelve? Well, whose idea was that? 453 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 5: That was mine? That was at a quirk of my system. 454 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:58,360 Speaker 5: So that's because there were two categories in which you'd 455 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 5: get a point automatically. That's how I looked at it. 456 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 5: How I would gauge the source, and I had a 457 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 5: series of criteria for that, and then the things about 458 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 5: the witness himself or herself, you would get one point. 459 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 5: But if it was only two points total that was 460 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:18,160 Speaker 5: considered very weak. There are other categories. Was a corroboration 461 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,439 Speaker 5: or how soon was this reported? Or was this reported 462 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:26,680 Speaker 5: firsthand or second hand? Were there independent investigations done? Sometimes yes, 463 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,880 Speaker 5: sometimes no, So all of these other factors that went 464 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 5: in there, and I just tried to do my best 465 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 5: to wait it. 466 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,399 Speaker 4: How often did you come across cases that were trans medium, 467 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 4: cases that kind of were both? 468 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,680 Speaker 5: Most were transmedium. I was kind of surprised. So of 469 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 5: the six hundred and seventy two cases, I can't remember, 470 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 5: more than four hundred were trans medium. So, in other words, 471 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 5: where an object was seen emerging or entering the water, 472 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:53,400 Speaker 5: or sometimes both. 473 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,120 Speaker 4: Do you think that that's a technology that we possibly 474 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 4: possess or do you think this points to definitely it 475 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 4: being off war because we don't have that technology yet. 476 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 5: I don't think that we have this. I really tried 477 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,920 Speaker 5: to look into this question. Do we have the ability 478 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 5: to create a craft of any sort that can function 479 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:15,680 Speaker 5: equally well in water as in the air, And I'm 480 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 5: just not aware of anything along those lines. We know 481 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,200 Speaker 5: that there's a lot of research along those lines. The 482 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 5: trans medium craft had been reported for well over a century. Actually, 483 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:33,160 Speaker 5: say two centuries, maybe more, but for quite a while 484 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:38,120 Speaker 5: when we obviously did not have that capability. So I'm 485 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,399 Speaker 5: inclined to think when we see these transmitting cases that 486 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:44,440 Speaker 5: it's not from our civilization. A certain number of the 487 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 5: cases we're just operating craft was below the water in 488 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 5: a very unusual way that was not a submarine, not 489 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 5: a weal, this type of thing. And I did include 490 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,439 Speaker 5: a couple of small, a very small number of cases 491 00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:01,120 Speaker 5: where the object wasn't necessarily seen interacting with the water, 492 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,120 Speaker 5: but it was low over the water. And I would 493 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 5: sometimes include that, especially if you're over a big ocean 494 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 5: and you're in the middle of the Atlantic or Pacific 495 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 5: Ocean and there's a thing hovering ten feet above the 496 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 5: water and maybe it's sucking up water. Maybe it's not, 497 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 5: but even if it's not, you're out there. If you're 498 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 5: the Navy you see a craft hovering ten feet over 499 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 5: the water, I'm probably inclined to include that one. So 500 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 5: there were some of those, but most of the cases 501 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 5: that I have, the object was either in the water 502 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,360 Speaker 5: or coming out or entering the water. 503 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 4: Interesting, is there anything else that stood you stood out 504 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 4: to you in the data when you made the spreadsheets. Yeah, 505 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 4: so much examples. 506 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:44,359 Speaker 5: Yeah, so one thing that I found, well, one has 507 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 5: to do with electromagnetic interference and one has to do 508 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 5: with day versus night sidings. Both of these I think 509 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,680 Speaker 5: are quite useful to keep in mind, So day versus night. 510 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,639 Speaker 5: So one of the categories I created was when did 511 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 5: this occur? And not necessarily the exact time of day 512 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 5: because that's not always easy. But did it happen in 513 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 5: the daytime? Did it happen at night? Simple? I thought, 514 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,200 Speaker 5: I'll just think, I'll just do that. Well, it turns out, 515 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 5: up until nineteen sixty seven, a very consistent, slight majority 516 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,879 Speaker 5: of the cases that I was able to collect occurred 517 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:21,479 Speaker 5: during the daytime, although even in that earlier period there 518 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 5: was an absolute difference between military and non military encounters. 519 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 5: So military encounters were something like two thirds night and 520 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 5: civilian counters were something like two thirds in the daytime. 521 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 5: Roughly speaking, after nineteen sixty seven, everything went tonight. It 522 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 5: was like flipping a switch. Whereas a slight majority had 523 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 5: been in the daytime previously, suddenly it's three quarters or 524 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 5: more are happening at night every year, year and year out, 525 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 5: and military cases nearly ninety percent since nineteen sixty seven 526 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 5: have occurred at night. It's incredible. So to me, that 527 00:28:55,280 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 5: shows adaptability at adaptation by them. For some reason, a 528 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 5: behavioral change happened at this time. And I don't really 529 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 5: know if I have the exact reason why. I mean, 530 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 5: I can speculate, but that definitely has happened. Says to 531 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 5: me that there's an intelligence operating here. They can distinguish 532 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 5: between military and non military vessels, first of all, because 533 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 5: they behave differently, and they behave differently after the late 534 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 5: sixties as opposed to before the late sixties. 535 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 4: So that's one thing. 536 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 5: And the other thing that's definitely worth noting is electromagnetic interference, 537 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 5: so em magnetic interference, electronic interference if your clock stops, 538 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 5: or your navy ship and your weapons won't operate, things 539 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,719 Speaker 5: like this. So from the nineteen fifties onward, from when 540 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 5: I got my first EMUSO case, nine point five percent 541 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 5: of all of those cases have electromagnetic interference, almost one 542 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 5: out of ten, quite a lot. What's crazy is that 543 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 5: military cases that number is doubled, so it's about twenty percent. 544 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 5: And if there are some cases where there were reports 545 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 5: of missing time in conjunction with these usos or also 546 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 5: there were alleged sightings of alien beings in those instances 547 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 5: missing time or beings. Electromagnetic interference isn't twice as common, 548 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 5: it's four times as common. Wow, four times is likely. 549 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 5: I don't think that's by accident. That's not something that 550 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 5: I would have been able to predict beforehand going into 551 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 5: the data. But it's absolutely in that data. And by 552 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 5: the way, I'll just point out I made it's a 553 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 5: huge spreadsheet. I don't even know if it's a good spreadsheet, 554 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 5: but it's thirty seven pages. It's PDF, but it's easy 555 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 5: to read. It's freely available. Anyone can download. It's like 556 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 5: me showing my homework to the teacher. I want anyone 557 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 5: to be able to see it. It's a free download 558 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 5: at my website richital and members dot com. 559 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 4: I have downloaded it here. It's incredible. It is a 560 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 4: lot of data, and it just shows the amount of 561 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 4: work and effort into this thing. 562 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:05,720 Speaker 5: Well, yeah, thank you. It's easier to appreciate if you've 563 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 5: read the book. If you haven't read the book, it 564 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:12,720 Speaker 5: may not be as immediately understandable. Although you can see 565 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 5: the cases chronologically, and I try to give a decent 566 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 5: guideline as to what some of the acronyms and their mean. 567 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 5: When I created that, that was my I never did 568 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 5: a spreadsheet before, and so I didn't really know how 569 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 5: to how to organize a lot of it to honestly, Like, 570 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:31,720 Speaker 5: how do I mention that there was a sighting in 571 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 5: the South China Sea in nineteen twelve? How do I 572 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,719 Speaker 5: do that? How do I write south China Sea in there? 573 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 5: So I used all these acronyms. 574 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, can you give us a glossary of what you did? 575 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 4: It's great if they were to take a break right there, Richard. 576 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 4: We're going to come right back and talk more with 577 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 4: Richard about his series on a history of UFOs and 578 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 4: hear about some of his favorite cases. You're listening to 579 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,120 Speaker 4: Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM 580 00:31:56,280 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 4: Paranormal podcast Network. We are back with the great Richard Dolan. 581 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 4: We are talking about his new series of books on 582 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:22,240 Speaker 4: USO's Richard, you were just talking about the spreadsheet and 583 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 4: the different facts you have in there. You know, another 584 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,320 Speaker 4: interesting point that I caught out of this was that 585 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:32,640 Speaker 4: there seems to be cases that are in very isolated 586 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,880 Speaker 4: areas and then cases that are in very busy areas. 587 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 4: That's kind of surprising as well. Huh. 588 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 5: These things are everywhere on there, everywhere. There's cases in 589 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:46,200 Speaker 5: some of the most remote, inhospitable bodies of water on 590 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 5: the planet. I think of the Baring Sea that's north 591 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 5: of the Aleutian Islands. You don't want to go hang 592 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:53,640 Speaker 5: out there for a vacation. It's not a place that 593 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,800 Speaker 5: you'd want to go. Yet there's sightings there. There are 594 00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:00,200 Speaker 5: sightings in the Sea of O Kosk, which is off 595 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:05,360 Speaker 5: the coast of Russia in eastern Siberia. Utterly like brutal 596 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 5: weather conditions there. But then there's there are sightings in 597 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 5: some of the major choke points, the Strait of Malacca, 598 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,040 Speaker 5: which is one of the major shipping roots of all 599 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 5: of the entire world, or the Red Sea you know, 600 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,280 Speaker 5: which leads to the Siouxez Canal, or the Mediterranean Sea, 601 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 5: many many areas in there. So they're in major shipping lanes, 602 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 5: and they are in the most remote regions of the planet. No, yeah, 603 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 5: I mean mind blowing stuff. I'll mention the first case 604 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 5: that got me into this, if you don't mind, It 605 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 5: was nineteen forty five at the end of World War two, 606 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:43,920 Speaker 5: and this was one that researchers kind of knew a 607 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:47,440 Speaker 5: little bit about. In the summer of nineteen forty five, 608 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 5: the US was still at war with Japan. The Germans 609 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,560 Speaker 5: had surrendered, but the Japanese were still fighting, and there 610 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,760 Speaker 5: was a US transport ship coming back from the far 611 00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 5: East to Seattle. It's coming across the Pacific there along 612 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:05,680 Speaker 5: the Aleutian Islands, and they were near a little island 613 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:09,800 Speaker 5: and the allusions called Adak Island, really tiny, but we 614 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,520 Speaker 5: had a military base there for a long time. And 615 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,000 Speaker 5: so this transport ship called the Dell Roff was coming 616 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:20,959 Speaker 5: back and an object, a disc shaped object, was seen 617 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:24,880 Speaker 5: by the crew emerging from the water. This is a 618 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:29,759 Speaker 5: very very it's not a place where you'd expect to 619 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:31,400 Speaker 5: see anything like this, but it comes out of the 620 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 5: water and it circles around the ship utterly silent, two times, 621 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:42,520 Speaker 5: and it's exactly shaped like a flying saucer. And it 622 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,320 Speaker 5: then just took off at a fairly high rate of 623 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:49,440 Speaker 5: speed and slashed a couple of lights as it was 624 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,480 Speaker 5: in the distance, and then it was gone. So one 625 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,360 Speaker 5: of the witnesses was a man named Robert Crawford. He 626 00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:59,160 Speaker 5: spoke about this at great length to a great UFO 627 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,359 Speaker 5: researcher and then eighteen sixties doctor James McDonald. A lot 628 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,000 Speaker 5: of people know about him, and I think it's a 629 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,960 Speaker 5: great case. But there's just so many of these, and 630 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:10,480 Speaker 5: they're so consistent. 631 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,279 Speaker 4: You know. I think you mentioned that some of these 632 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:16,319 Speaker 4: have another unique characteristic that I wasn't familiar with, which 633 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,479 Speaker 4: is that this craft will come out of the water 634 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,480 Speaker 4: and it doesn't seem wet or drip water at all. 635 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,520 Speaker 5: Sometimes that is so yeah, other times not so. I'm 636 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:30,160 Speaker 5: not sure why that is, but without a doubt, and 637 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:34,200 Speaker 5: in fact to the point where witnesses would actively comment 638 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:38,560 Speaker 5: on how strange it seemed to them that there wasn't 639 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:42,719 Speaker 5: dripping water coming from this craft, although I would emphasize 640 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,560 Speaker 5: there were a number of cases where the witness would emphasize, 641 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:47,960 Speaker 5: oh my god, I saw the water just pouring down 642 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,719 Speaker 5: from this think so at times yes and at times no. 643 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,560 Speaker 5: I mentioned Carl find a little while ago in this conversation, 644 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:58,239 Speaker 5: and Carl is really astute about this. He was trying 645 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:02,839 Speaker 5: to understand the effects physical effects of water with these 646 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,399 Speaker 5: UAP or these UFOs, and he believed it had something 647 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,200 Speaker 5: to do with the creation of a field, like an 648 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,920 Speaker 5: ionic or ionization field around the craft. So if the 649 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,400 Speaker 5: field was on he hypothesized that you wouldn't see the 650 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,600 Speaker 5: water pouring off, that somehow the field would protect the 651 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,880 Speaker 5: craft from the water. So maybe that's it, But definitely 652 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,319 Speaker 5: it is a feature of some of these cases where 653 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,440 Speaker 5: people would not see water on the craft at all 654 00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:28,920 Speaker 5: and it should have. 655 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:32,560 Speaker 4: Had water, which speaks to some sort of advanced technology. 656 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,279 Speaker 4: I mean, that's you think, so pretty unique. Think yes. 657 00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:37,920 Speaker 4: Seeing so many of these cases, it reminded me of 658 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:41,520 Speaker 4: things like Ryan Graves saying that he saw objects nearly 659 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,200 Speaker 4: every day. I wonder if there's guys out there in 660 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,239 Speaker 4: the military that you know, work on the ships all 661 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,040 Speaker 4: the time that see these things more frequently than we realize. 662 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,960 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, my opinion. I mean, you know, when I 663 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,000 Speaker 5: think about how I found the cases that I found, 664 00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,319 Speaker 5: so there, look, I went through thousands. I probably looked 665 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,440 Speaker 5: at ten thousands and cases to select the six hundred 666 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,800 Speaker 5: and seventy two that are in here. I'm just estimating, 667 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:09,960 Speaker 5: but probably. But what you find is that frequently, like 668 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,520 Speaker 5: with a good USO case, they're often written about years 669 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:17,240 Speaker 5: after the fact by the witness to some online community 670 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,719 Speaker 5: like the National UFO Reporting Center is a really big 671 00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:23,120 Speaker 5: place where these go. And a typical story will be 672 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,640 Speaker 5: someone saying, yeah, you know, thirty years ago, I was 673 00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,000 Speaker 5: with my girlfriend at the time and we were out 674 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:32,239 Speaker 5: and we saw this thing enter the water or come 675 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,800 Speaker 5: out of the water or whatever, and they're just writing 676 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,000 Speaker 5: about it now for the first time. Sometimes those are 677 00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:41,400 Speaker 5: military cases. You really get the idea that there are many, 678 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:45,760 Speaker 5: many more of these stories out there than people are reporting. 679 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,160 Speaker 5: And I absolutely believe that there is more of this 680 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,960 Speaker 5: activity than even I was able to find. Definitely, there's 681 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:54,080 Speaker 5: I think there's a lot of options. 682 00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:58,600 Speaker 4: Right was that UFOs as well, It's the same. Absolutely, 683 00:37:58,719 --> 00:37:59,640 Speaker 4: these guys can tell that. 684 00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:04,279 Speaker 5: I tend to think that there's more aerial activity than 685 00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,879 Speaker 5: water based activity. Sometimes you hear people say, well, most 686 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:11,000 Speaker 5: of this takes place in around water. I don't know 687 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:14,160 Speaker 5: if that's actually true. Maybe, but my take is that 688 00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:18,120 Speaker 5: there are many, many more aerial sightings and water based 689 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:22,680 Speaker 5: But the water based aspect of this is very significant 690 00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,760 Speaker 5: and has been overlooked for years. And I'm so glad 691 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:28,680 Speaker 5: that I got to do this project. It was a 692 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:34,160 Speaker 5: real labor of love. Honestly, these cases are just mind blowing. 693 00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,480 Speaker 5: They're not even they're beyond fascinating. They are mind blowing 694 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:41,200 Speaker 5: in many cases, and I'm just astonished at what these 695 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,239 Speaker 5: people clearly went through. You know, you could be a 696 00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,040 Speaker 5: hardcore skeptic and say, well, I can't believe this until 697 00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:50,680 Speaker 5: there's actual provable evidence. Well, what you could say is 698 00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,320 Speaker 5: that there's many cases where the evidence is open and 699 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,440 Speaker 5: shut and something absolutely happened, and we can maybe argue 700 00:38:56,480 --> 00:39:00,040 Speaker 5: over the interpretation, but there's definitely something going on. But 701 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:04,960 Speaker 5: I take it a step further when I encounter a 702 00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:11,640 Speaker 5: heartfelt story from someone who is clearly telling something that 703 00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:13,960 Speaker 5: here's another example. This is from a later case. This 704 00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,400 Speaker 5: is from the twenty first century, and it will appear 705 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,880 Speaker 5: in my third volume. I can't remember all the details. 706 00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:22,760 Speaker 5: Ohio Lake in Ohio, near the border, I think with Kentucky, 707 00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:26,200 Speaker 5: somewhat elderly couple, I probably around two thousand and five, 708 00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,920 Speaker 5: two thousand and eight. They're hanging out by themselves. They 709 00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:32,160 Speaker 5: like to walk by the lake there. So she's writing, 710 00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,560 Speaker 5: she's now a widow, her husband has died, and she 711 00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:36,800 Speaker 5: just is writing into I think it was a national 712 00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:40,120 Speaker 5: UFO Reporting center, and she said, look, I just have 713 00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,799 Speaker 5: to tug at this story. My husband and I were 714 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,959 Speaker 5: out there and we saw this immense object, she says, 715 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,719 Speaker 5: come out of the water. It was if I had 716 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,000 Speaker 5: sat on my husband's shoulders, she said, I could have 717 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,840 Speaker 5: almost reached up and touched it. And she described the 718 00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:59,160 Speaker 5: detailed underside of this craft and how immense it was, 719 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,920 Speaker 5: and just how blown away they were by this, and 720 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,880 Speaker 5: then it just drifted off. Now I'm reading this woman's 721 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:09,359 Speaker 5: account and I could say, well, I haven't been able 722 00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,080 Speaker 5: to measure this in the laboratory, so I'm not going 723 00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:14,759 Speaker 5: to believe it. But being a reasonable human being, you 724 00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:18,719 Speaker 5: read these stories. This woman clearly was not making this up. 725 00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:22,560 Speaker 5: I'm sure because it's so many others. So yeah, I 726 00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:24,839 Speaker 5: choose to believe it, and I think she's telling the truth. 727 00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:28,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, why would people? Why to what? End of it? 728 00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:30,799 Speaker 4: Doesn't make sense to me exactly. And Richard, we're out 729 00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,520 Speaker 4: of time here, but I really do appreciate your objective 730 00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,279 Speaker 4: approach to this subject. This book series is going to 731 00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:39,960 Speaker 4: provide us with excellent data set that we can move 732 00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:43,759 Speaker 4: closer towards deciphering what is actually happening with this phenomenon. 733 00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,400 Speaker 4: So thanks for pouring so much of your time and 734 00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:47,760 Speaker 4: obvious efforts. 735 00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,600 Speaker 5: Hey, I'll just mention the book is very amply illustrated. 736 00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,960 Speaker 5: I had a great illustrator, Alan Levine. He's an early 737 00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:58,480 Speaker 5: UFO researcher himself from the nineteen seventies, and he's a 738 00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:02,440 Speaker 5: great artist. He did wonderful work help you further bringing 739 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,040 Speaker 5: good life into these cases, and I wanted it to 740 00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:06,840 Speaker 5: be a good rate. I think it is. Actually, I 741 00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:08,960 Speaker 5: think it's an interesting read to help people enjoy it 742 00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:10,680 Speaker 5: as much as I enjoyed writing it. 743 00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,680 Speaker 4: Awesome, Thanks again, brother. You can find Richard at Richard 744 00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,880 Speaker 4: dolanmembers dot com, and you can find me at Twitter 745 00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:22,000 Speaker 4: and Instagram at CD Underscore Captain Ron. Stay connected by 746 00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,880 Speaker 4: checking out Contact Inthdesert dot com. 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