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Speaker 1: I got nothing. I got nothing. That's how I'm starting.

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Speaker 1: I got nothing. That was Wow.

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Speaker 2: Are you nervous?

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Speaker 1: I am nervous. I'm sitting here, my heart is pumping.

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Speaker 1: I always get a little nervous before we start any

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Speaker 1: Don't every want to get too comfortable and too cool

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Speaker 1: and think you got it. I am nervous today.

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Speaker 2: Do you want to tell I? Well? I would only.

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Speaker 1: Compare it to the first podcast we did that aired

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Speaker 1: on December fifth. I would argue, this is is as

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Speaker 1: nervous as I've been because of our guests. Yes, and

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Speaker 1: I have some options, folks about what we start every podcast.

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Speaker 1: You say you start right? You always want me to start?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 1: And why is that?

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Speaker 2: Because you're a better starter than me?

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Speaker 1: And but how so, how do you what do I

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Speaker 4: You usually have like a card up your sleeve, and

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Speaker 1: Okay, I had some things. Here's my problem. I'm serious.

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Speaker 1: I had some options. I didn't like any of them

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Speaker 1: you go too far. As some of the best advice

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Speaker 1: the way of it, and I've got nothing.

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Speaker 4: Wait, but you texted me earlier this morning saying I

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Speaker 4: got it because you're always trying to figure out how

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Speaker 2: I got it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So this is what I'm going to tell you.

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Speaker 1: This is why I got it, because instead of just

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Speaker 1: starting with something, I'm going to give you the four options.

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Speaker 1: I had four options for how to start this podcast,

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Speaker 1: in which our guests are your parents and folks of you.

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Speaker 1: You can hear the sound of my voice and I

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Speaker 1: don't know if it's trembling or not, but sitting about

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Speaker 2: Because you want to impress her.

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Speaker 1: Okay, there it is, and that's good and let's go. Okay,

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Speaker 1: here am I and you all helped me. So this

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Speaker 1: impression on your partner's parents. I'm about to teach a

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Speaker 1: go with that one. The other Okay, hello folks, they

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Speaker 1: deserve admiration for being married fifty two years. They deserve

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Speaker 2: Whoa shot across the bow?

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, I'm glad I didn't go with those Twodi Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: number three this was a little heavier. Hey, folks, we

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Speaker 2: That's nice, that's nice.

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Speaker 1: Maybe that's the one I see. But nobody reacted emotionally

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Speaker 2: Maybe it felt like you were pandering or something.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you know what, good point? Glad I didn't go

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Speaker 1: This is the last one. Hey, folks, I haven't asked

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Speaker 1: for permission or the blessing to marry Amy Roback. But

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Speaker 1: the two people i'd need to ask are our guests today.

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Speaker 1: And this is why I didn't use any of those.

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Speaker 2: Why don't we ask Why don't we ask the guests

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Speaker 1: Yes, folks, we have Mama Roback and Papa Roback in

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Speaker 2: None and Pop has their affections called in our house.

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Speaker 3: Let me ask, should we be nervous?

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Speaker 1: I don't think I told you all before you started

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Speaker 1: in a couple of weeks, right, fifty two years? Fifty?

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Speaker 3: Right? It'll be fifty two years the life.

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Speaker 1: First, anybody listening is in a relationship. You hear somebody's

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Speaker 2: I already I always answer this question first, So I'm

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Speaker 3: Oh, you're gonna let me answer? That's that's turning the tables,

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Speaker 3: all right? There is no secret. How's that? It's making

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Speaker 3: every day it's a decision. You know, I'm going to

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Speaker 2: That sounds kind of ominous that you have to redecide

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Speaker 3: It's positive affirmation.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I will do it again one more day, one

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Speaker 1: Oh you disagree, You don't think of it the same way.

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Speaker 2: No, I don't know. Okay, how do you think I

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Speaker 2: have massive attraction to this man always have.

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Speaker 1: What is that he's good?

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Speaker 2: I say, the attraction motivates you to continue. Yes, absolutely,

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Speaker 2: When he turns like eighty five, it's going to be

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Speaker 1: So okay, now this is something she explained. This your

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Speaker 1: whole family. People who are familiar with robots see her

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Speaker 1: great genes. You all are freaking amazing. And like you said,

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Speaker 1: I mean for you all, it's just jeans genetics, your

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Speaker 2: Yet I agree. Both my parents lived until their nineties.

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Speaker 3: My mom is ninety one. I had grandparents grandfather that

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Speaker 4: I look at that as TG does that scare you

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Speaker 1: That's a good thing. And we talk about this something

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Speaker 1: I hate to turn it on a but your health

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Speaker 1: Youre's active as your This is great, all right, it's

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Speaker 4: Yep, it's true. I mean, and my whole life. Everyone

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Speaker 4: nineteen years old within me and they were nineteen when

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Speaker 2: But every my whole.

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Speaker 4: Life, everyone their jaw drops when they see my parents

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Speaker 4: But everyone Dad, how many people thought we were married

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Speaker 4: when we would like go somewhere together. It was so embarrassing.

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Speaker 1: And I've heard that a lot. But until I had

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Speaker 3: But it was even more weird for me.

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Speaker 1: But for your marriage, for your wife absolutely absolutely? What

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Speaker 4: He's twenty months younger than me? So he is gush?

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Speaker 4: Is he about to turn fifty this year?

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Speaker 1: Tell were there easy and obvious distinctions when you had

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Speaker 2: Absolutely?

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Speaker 1: Really?

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Speaker 2: I mean Amy was go, go, go, go go, never

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Speaker 2: this cage that I'm in. And Eric was more you know,

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Speaker 2: because he was like, look at all these people. Amy.

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Speaker 2: Here's what Amy would do. Walk into a store. Amy

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Speaker 2: there's a loss of good What age was this? Oh,

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Speaker 2: Oh no, we should get aimed to do some of

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Speaker 1: But who is she more like between you two?

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Speaker 1: Is that right?

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Speaker 2: Why are you looking like that?

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Speaker 1: No, I cannot believe how much I'm learning about you.

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Speaker 2: I think guilty is charged. I was thinking you were

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but do you want her and Mama Robot, I

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Speaker 4: And it's not that I don't still have that adventurous spirit.

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Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, before she never would stop. I mean, if

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Speaker 1: But did you all over the years see it as her? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so. I mean, you know, especially when

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Speaker 3: So I think those adventures. Sure, they some of them

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Speaker 4: And I think, like what you're saying is in retrospect,

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Speaker 4: You don't have to deal with it if you just

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Speaker 2: It always felt like you were running away from something,

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Speaker 3: Well, saying no to amy never worked. We have some

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Speaker 2: We tried to love her. I don't know if you

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Speaker 1: Well, how did you deal with robes? Then? Right, they

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Speaker 2: We were fine. We were just worried about you and

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Speaker 2: done that. Am you knows what I'm talking about?

441
00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:56,360
Speaker 5: I told you so, so, oh you know it's past now,

442
00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:01,600
Speaker 5: do you all actually and she actually expressed that to you,

443
00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,119
Speaker 5: or I would kind of imagine you all ever looked

444
00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:05,080
Speaker 5: at her at any point.

445
00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:06,119
Speaker 1: In the past year and a half and said, I

446
00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:08,320
Speaker 1: told you so, right, And that's no, that's not is

447
00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:09,919
Speaker 1: you always lane to do?

448
00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:11,800
Speaker 2: We would never say that. I would never say that

449
00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:12,320
Speaker 2: to Amy.

450
00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:14,880
Speaker 1: No, no, but you can see it in our eyes.

451
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:18,560
Speaker 2: No, Actually, it's funny. It's funny.

452
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:20,760
Speaker 4: I've gone this isn't the first miss Like, I don't

453
00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:22,520
Speaker 4: even want to say mistake. I would just you know,

454
00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:24,439
Speaker 4: I hate to say the end of a marriage is

455
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:24,959
Speaker 4: a mistake.

456
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:26,200
Speaker 2: It isn't always a mistake.

457
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,520
Speaker 4: In fact, sometimes it's what the right thing is to

458
00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:33,520
Speaker 4: do and you learn a lot through it. Funny enough,

459
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:37,080
Speaker 4: with everything that's happened in the last two years, I've

460
00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:39,760
Speaker 4: never felt more supported by the two of you than

461
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,560
Speaker 4: I was this past year and a half, more so

462
00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:44,040
Speaker 4: than any other moment in my life.

463
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:45,399
Speaker 1: You know what she did, both of you all. She

464
00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:48,159
Speaker 1: did say this several times. She's her relationship with her

465
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,280
Speaker 1: parents is the best she can remember it in a

466
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,560
Speaker 1: long time. She has. She has said that several times

467
00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:54,879
Speaker 1: in the past year and a half. That is true.

468
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:58,200
Speaker 4: Absolutely, Yes, I felt the love, I felt the support,

469
00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:01,359
Speaker 4: and I didn't feel judged at all.

470
00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 1: Do some get lucky? You said you all found each

471
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:08,800
Speaker 1: other at seventeen did you all just get lucky and

472
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,960
Speaker 1: other people don't get that lucky and certainly not that early.

473
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,040
Speaker 1: Or is it something more about the way you all

474
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 1: are built that you all made a decision that you

475
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,879
Speaker 1: all are going to be together these fifty two years

476
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:21,400
Speaker 1: most of us are looking at like, oh, I found

477
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:23,159
Speaker 1: the one or looking for the one and sold me

478
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:23,960
Speaker 1: all this kind of stuff.

479
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I guess you could say we were lucky.

480
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:32,959
Speaker 3: It's kind of by chance that we met. Know, we

481
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:37,680
Speaker 3: met at church, and actually we've known each other since

482
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 3: we were what twelve years old, and we're both from

483
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 3: big Catholic families, and so Jones family would sit on

484
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:49,360
Speaker 3: one side of the church with her eight brothers and sisters,

485
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 3: and then I would sit on the other side with

486
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:55,159
Speaker 3: my five brothers and sisters. And over time, you know,

487
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 3: we went to CCD, so we were going to religious education,

488
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:03,399
Speaker 3: and we got to know each other. We went to

489
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,400
Speaker 3: different high schools, different junior highs in different high schools,

490
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:10,360
Speaker 3: so we didn't see each other every day, and we

491
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:17,119
Speaker 3: over time, you know, noticed each other. And I always

492
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 3: glancing over at her with her cute little cheerleading outfit on,

493
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:24,199
Speaker 3: you know, and and uh, you know, I asked her

494
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 3: out on a date. And I'll tell you when I

495
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 3: first called for the first date. I dialed her number.

496
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,640
Speaker 3: I was downstairs with my one of my friends, and

497
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:39,359
Speaker 3: he's kind of giggling while I'm doing this, and I said, Hi, Joan,

498
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 3: this is Mike, and the answer comes back, Mike, who.

499
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:50,399
Speaker 2: I knew lots of Mikes I did. I said, which

500
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 2: mic are you? Oh no, But when you told me,

501
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 2: I was like, that's the mic that I would want

502
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,679
Speaker 2: to hear. And the rest is history.

503
00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:01,200
Speaker 3: Yes, I mean the first date. My I couldn't drive yet,

504
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 3: so I was not quite yet. Oh yeah, that was

505
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 3: I was not quite yet sixteen, so I didn't have

506
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 3: a driver's license. So my dad had to drive us over,

507
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 3: pick you up, and take us to a dance at

508
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:17,360
Speaker 3: the high school, and then take us home and then

509
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 3: take take me home. So it was not exactly, you know,

510
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:23,959
Speaker 3: the way you might envision a first date with your

511
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 3: dad driving, you know.

512
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 2: No kiss at the front door, no exactly, you know.

513
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,680
Speaker 4: I always remember some of the sweet stories I heard,

514
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 4: and I think maybe I took for granted how special

515
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:37,639
Speaker 4: you all were from the very beginning, because it just

516
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 4: kind of when you see that your whole life. I

517
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 4: was raised with a lot of love, and I saw

518
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 4: you all. Your relationship was always remarkable to me. My

519
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,639
Speaker 4: friends and I would be grossed out at your public

520
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:48,640
Speaker 4: displays of affection.

521
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 2: When I was in high school, it was so embarrassed.

522
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, my gosh, keep your hands off

523
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 2: each other. Oh, it was so I think that's why

524
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,399
Speaker 2: part of the reason why I said I didn't like PDA,

525
00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 2: because I was like, ew. But anyway, I can look

526
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:03,160
Speaker 2: at it now and say, oh, yeah, you guys would

527
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 2: chase each other around the house, giggling and laughing, and

528
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 2: when you were a nice girls, all the time you'd

529
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 2: be kissing. Oh it's awesome now. At the time, it

530
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 2: did not seem awesome, But it's incredible now, especially with

531
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,119
Speaker 2: all the life I've lived. I'm blown away by it.

532
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 2: But I remember hearing these stories about Dad. He had

533
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 2: a very strict father.

534
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,880
Speaker 4: My grandpa was a tough man, and he would get

535
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 4: in trouble for whatever reason, and he would lose car privileges,

536
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:33,400
Speaker 4: and I remember dad Mom telling me or Dad explaining

537
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 4: that he would have to run over the bridge separating

538
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 4: your two towns and run how many.

539
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 2: Miles was it Dad.

540
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 3: It was about three and a half to.

541
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,159
Speaker 4: See mom and then run back to That was the

542
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:44,919
Speaker 4: way they could see each other if he was in trouble.

543
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 4: But I remember Mom kind of saying the same thing

544
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 4: to me. She said, find a guy who will run

545
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:51,439
Speaker 4: three and a half miles to see you, to be

546
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,239
Speaker 4: with you, no matter what. Like if a man likes you,

547
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 4: if you're with the right person, he will walk on

548
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 4: water to get to you.

549
00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 2: And that's when my mom fell in love with him.

550
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 2: When she would see him run over and she was like,

551
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 2: go get him some water, get his shirt off and

552
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 2: put in the dry I mean, it's just.

553
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, you were no, no, you were literally making a

554
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 1: three mile run to her. You didn't walk it.

555
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 3: No, No, I ran, I ran, No I ran.

556
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 1: And to remind folk, you ran your first marathon at

557
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 1: what age?

558
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:20,400
Speaker 3: What's fifty four?

559
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 4: It's pretty cool, right, Dad and I were talking about

560
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 4: this today because or last night, because I was thinking like, oh,

561
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 4: I'm kind of I don't know how many more marathons

562
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 4: I have in me, and my dad said, remember I

563
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 4: ran my first marathon at fifty four, and.

564
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 1: Your last one, Berlin was what you were at sixty nine.

565
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 1: That's amazing.

566
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:37,159
Speaker 2: That's incredible.

567
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 4: That was a really really cool way to if you

568
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,159
Speaker 4: don't really run anymore, right, Dad.

569
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 3: Not much. I just had my right hip replaced about

570
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 3: two months ago.

571
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 2: There he goes.

572
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 4: So it's not a it's not a it's not a

573
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 4: sport or a passion. You can continue for the rest

574
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 4: of your life. Unfortunately for most people.

575
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 2: I think I'll find a way. He's going to get

576
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 2: the other one done, and then I suspect he's going

577
00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 2: to be out the door.

578
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 3: Well funny, no marathons though, Well.

579
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 4: Fun story though, Dad, because you came to cheer me

580
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 4: on the first New York City It's the first marathon

581
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 4: I ever ran, was the New York City Marathon, and you,

582
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 4: I think, got a little bit of the running bug

583
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 4: back in you, and you went and got your knees replaced, right,

584
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 4: so that you could then run in Berlin?

585
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:14,640
Speaker 2: Is am I wrong?

586
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 3: I didn't get my knees replaced. I had meniscus surgery.

587
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 2: Okay, sorry, that was a little bit more dramatic. See

588
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 2: I am dramatic. But you had a surgery because you

589
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 2: were remotivated to run again. And then I convinced you, well, if.

590
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,160
Speaker 3: You remember after that marathon. We went down to that

591
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 3: beer hall and so yes, yes, and everybody was, you know, going,

592
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 3: m poppa, um poppa, Let's run Berlin, Let's run Berlin.

593
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 3: And I inadvertently said, okay.

594
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 2: So that's one of the reasons why I love some

595
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 2: liquid courage every now and then.

596
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 4: Yes, that was at a Houston hall. Yes, I remember that,

597
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 4: and we made the plan to Berlin. The pandemic happened,

598
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 4: so we had to wait a year, but I was

599
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 4: I remember just being so impressed. And even now as

600
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 4: I'm gosh, I'm fifty one, but think about sixty nine.

601
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 4: If I want to complain about aching this or that,

602
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,479
Speaker 4: I think about what you did in Berlin.

603
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 2: It's remarkable.

604
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: How is the hip now? You feel better? All good?

605
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 3: And the right hip, which has been replaced, has no

606
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 3: pain at all, and the left hip will be replaced soon.

607
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 2: He's got like sixteen years you will have sixteen year

608
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 2: old hips. And he says like, I feel like I'm.

609
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: A kid, so sixteen, which I'm sure you appreciate that

610
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 1: he has sixteen year old hips.

611
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 2: I would like to get sixteen year old. Oh and mom,

612
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 2: I know your recovery. How are you doing? Because you

613
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 2: also took You took a nasty fall. Yeah. I was

614
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 2: the worst pain that I've ever been in my life,

615
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 2: for several reasons that I won't get into now. I

616
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 2: fell while I was standing straight up, and I fell

617
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 2: and hit my shoulder and my head, and as soon

618
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 2: as I did, I thought I did something really bad here.

619
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 2: So I had to crawl to the back door because

620
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 2: she's outside and I'm just yelling help. That's when you

621
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 2: need the I've fallen and I can't. But we talked

622
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 2: about it. I can't believe you don't have one of

623
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 2: those moms you guys are riding to age. Yeah, exactly.

624
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 2: So Yeah, So he came in and I remember he

625
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 2: was saying, Okay, let's get the well, I'll help you

626
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 2: into the car or go to the midge room, and

627
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 2: I just said ambulance, ambulance, that's all. I kept repeating it.

628
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 2: And then when they came in, I was like pain relievers.

629
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,239
Speaker 2: So they get they. I didn't realize they could do it,

630
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 2: but they did.

631
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 1: Have you always as Robot always been, it is it.

632
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: I don't think your accident prone, but she's always ends

633
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 1: up in the hospital for some reason. But it's always

634
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 1: a big reare. It's not like I nick the finger.

635
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 4: It's like I have cancer, cancer, or I have a terotoma.

636
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 1: Something serious. He always had surgery and in and out

637
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 1: and had issue when she was a little girl.

638
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 2: No, she didn't have any, but as she got older.

639
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 2: But yeah, when when when you talk about the time

640
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 2: that you called Eric to tell him that you had

641
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 2: a tarat tellman response to her, Yes, So, by the way,

642
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 2: I don't think I was ever in the hospital before

643
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 2: I had a baby, just so you know. So I

644
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 2: wasn't accident. Pro it's their fault. Yes, they started a

645
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 2: whole Yes, you're right. We can't get into that later.

646
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 3: But you're right, it's always the kid's fault, right.

647
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 2: So I my brother's a doctor, and I found out

648
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 2: that I had They told me I had a tarotoma.

649
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 2: I had to have surgery, and I didn't know what

650
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 2: it was. Did we have Google back then, No, I

651
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,719
Speaker 2: don't think so. So I called Eric and he started

652
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 2: laughing so hard. I was like, why are you laughing.

653
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 2: He's like, because when you go to medical school, this

654
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 2: is the one thing that is the grossest, nastiest, weirdest

655
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 2: tumor you can possibly have. And he was just he could.

656
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 2: He was saying this through tears of laughter as.

657
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 4: A brother would and does he thought it was the

658
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 4: funniest thing, and I just I was like, wait, but like,

659
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 4: this isn't that unusual?

660
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 2: Where He's like, no, it's it actually is really rare.

661
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 2: And I said, well, what is so awful about this tumor?

662
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 2: And he could barely get it out. It has like

663
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 2: teeth and eyeballs and hair like it's like warped DNA

664
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 2: that's gonna ride. It's growing inside of you, And he

665
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 2: could barely speak.

666
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: He was like, you should see our producer's face in

667
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: the room. You're describing this. Yeah, and you if you

668
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 1: know I sing the move horror movie malignant have you?

669
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 4: But the thing is this one was growing on a

670
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 4: main vein on my ovary, and so they were worried.

671
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 4: It was growing rapidly, so if it twisted, that was

672
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 4: the concern. It can actually cut off your blood supply

673
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 4: and you can drop dead.

674
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 2: So I don't you know what. So here's the deal.

675
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 2: I was freaked out. What's my brother told me stop

676
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 2: Mike co Ancher. At the time, I was at MSNBC

677
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 2: and I happened to be pregnant with Anna at the

678
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 2: same time, so we had to wait like six months

679
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 2: before I could get this. They had to wait. They didn't.

680
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 4: They had to measure it every three weeks because if

681
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 4: it got big enough, they were going to have to

682
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 4: go in for surgery while I was pregnant, which is dangerous.

683
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 4: So they wanted to wait, obviously until I had the baby.

684
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 4: So the whole time both of these things were growing

685
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 4: inside of me, and my co anchor, Randy Meyer said,

686
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 4: he named him Mobley.

687
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 2: He goes, how's Mobley doing? And I was like, can

688
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 2: you stop? So I had told Annelie she had.

689
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 4: An evil twin brother growing next to her. No, it's

690
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 4: all funny, but it's I asked.

691
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 2: The doctor when they took it out, did you see it?

692
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 2: I didn't want to. Eric ask me to have them

693
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 2: take it, and he'd like to put it in a jar.

694
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: It.

695
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 2: I was so freaked out. I didn't want to look.

696
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 2: They told me they assured me and didn't have teeth.

697
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 2: They were lying, honey. It was like, just tell me

698
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 2: it didn't have teeth. No, I didn't want to see it.

699
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 2: I was freaked out. We were planning for another grandchild.

700
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 2: I don't know anyone else who said to Tara Tonema

701
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 2: either so it's so embarrassing. Yes, I know when I

702
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 2: go into NYU for you know, you go in for

703
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 2: the checkps. I think I've had several doctors say, wow,

704
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 2: you are very interesting. You have a very interesting life.

705
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 2: You've had a lot of procedures that are very unusual

706
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 2: now for you all.

707
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: Did you all think, and still sitting here, think that

708
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: so much of the issue, so many of the issues

709
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: she's had medically over the years were absolutely related to

710
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 1: the way she was living, how she was working, the

711
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: stress she was under. Do you think those two things

712
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:12,320
Speaker 1: are related?

713
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 2: We did, but specific things like a teratoma or your heart,

714
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 2: your heart problem I I would contribute to. But I

715
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 2: didn't know it made sense that it was your extremely

716
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:29,839
Speaker 2: busy life, you know, migranine headaches, yes, and cancer, unhappiness

717
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 2: and cancer and then yeah, I'm getting there. There's a

718
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 2: lot to go through. No, but some of the things,

719
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 2: you know, you couldn't help. I mean, but maybe your

720
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 2: heart procedure could have sure been exacerbated by stress. But no,

721
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 2: I just we always were there.

722
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 4: Well, you always said to me, Amy, slow down. You

723
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 4: said that to me all the time, And I was

724
00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 4: like never going to happen. Look at me now, Yeah,

725
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 4: I just I couldn't sit still.

726
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:04,919
Speaker 1: But you're part of the You had to sit still

727
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:05,879
Speaker 1: for a year.

728
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 2: Wait, we had we had to sit still for a year.

729
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 1: But now you are you? Are you ready to get

730
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 1: to be crazy again? I got it crazy you or adventurous,

731
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,359
Speaker 1: but as there some part about you that you now

732
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: feel settled or calm in some way, because anytime you

733
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:21,919
Speaker 1: say it to me, like oh, well she's with Mina,

734
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 1: I don't want that part of you to be gone

735
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 1: just because you're in a relationship with me.

736
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 2: You've said that a couple of times, you know, like

737
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,359
Speaker 2: I've joked like I missed some hiking. But it's really

738
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 2: not the end of the world.

739
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 4: The truth is, it's crazy that this dramatic, unthinkable situation

740
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 4: was the catalyst for me to actually find peace, which

741
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 4: seems strange and maybe.

742
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 2: The opposite of what you think would happen. But I'm

743
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:50,399
Speaker 2: feeling peace. I feel joy in a different way.

744
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:54,399
Speaker 4: It's not because I'm being stimulated or I'm I'm I'm

745
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 4: attaining or achieving something. See, I think a lot of

746
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:58,800
Speaker 4: it was all about what I can climb that mountain,

747
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 4: I can, and I love crossing finish line, but the

748
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:10,240
Speaker 4: joy came from accomplishment and the getting there, like getting

749
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,280
Speaker 4: the goal, created the distraction from dealing with my life.

750
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 2: So yes, we were forced.

751
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 4: I was forced to sit and be quiet and think

752
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 4: about my choices, how I've acted, how I operate, and

753
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 4: realized that none of it was working. And I've been

754
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 4: doing and I'll continue, hopefully for the rest of my

755
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 4: life to do that deep searching and realize that joy

756
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 4: comes from within, it doesn't come from outside sources. And

757
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 4: that's what I think I was always trying to avoid

758
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 4: and I'm still working on it.

759
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 2: But being with the right person absolutely creates a balance,

760
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 2: and it gives you that safety. When you feel safe,

761
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 2: you can relax, and I don't think I ever felt

762
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 2: that way before. Now, Yeah, I totally agree. Safety to

763
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 2: me is one of them. I've got a lot of them,

764
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 2: But one of the reasons that I love being with

765
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 2: Mike is I've always felt safe with them, and I

766
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 2: think that's I've talked to other women about it, and

767
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 2: almost at the top two or three things that they say,

768
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 2: why why they were in a relationship or married because

769
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,919
Speaker 2: they feel safe. Now, yeah, emotionally safe.

770
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think I ever really realized how important

771
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,839
Speaker 4: that was. I always felt like I and look, I'm

772
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 4: all about It's got to come from me. I'm the

773
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 4: one who has to be whole. I'm the one who

774
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 4: has to create my own balance in my life. But

775
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 4: the dynamics you have with people absolutely affects your inner

776
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 4: psyche in a lot of ways, and to say that

777
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 4: it doesn't is not being truthful.

778
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 2: It absolutely does.

779
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 4: So, yes, we can do our own work, but who

780
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:48,720
Speaker 4: we surround ourselves with is very important.

781
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 1: And I want to go back out. I don't think

782
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 1: I've actually asked you all in private this, So.

783
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 2: Now you're gonna do it in bubble?

784
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess so. But I say that because we

785
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 1: to be honest. Once we get together and we hang out,

786
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: we usually like to talk about other stuff. We don't

787
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 1: want to go back and talk about the dark days,

788
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 1: if you will. But going back to November thirtieth of

789
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, when that article came out, you all

790
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 1: were sitting in a different position from the public in

791
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: that you all at least had a handle on You

792
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 1: knew divorce was happening. You all had known that for months. Yes,

793
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: at this point, so you all were already getting adjusted

794
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: to the idea, she's going to be going through divorce,

795
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 1: They're going to be changes coming.

796
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, we were totally adjusted to that one.

797
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 1: Okay, so let me ask let me start with that first,

798
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: just the idea and the thought your reaction when knowing

799
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 1: your daughter again you feel bad for her, what was

800
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 1: going to be going through another divorce? Now, initially, how

801
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 1: did you all take that news?

802
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 3: You mean news of the divorce or the divorce.

803
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that was in summer that twenty twenty.

804
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 3: That that did not bother us at all. I mean

805
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 3: we had reconciled ourselves and we had told Amy that

806
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 3: we totally supported her in leaving that marriage, So that

807
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,800
Speaker 3: was not an issue at all for us.

808
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 1: So then we the November thirtieth, the article comes out

809
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 1: that there that we were exposed that we were in

810
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 1: a relationship. Now, how did you all and just tell

811
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:18,399
Speaker 1: me how that initial reaction. Well, there was a lot

812
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 1: of ways to go with that, because you could have

813
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: been upset that what was happening to her publicly, upset

814
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 1: about work, or upset that she would put herself in

815
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 1: a position to be dating her co anker. So what

816
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 1: was you all's reaction.

817
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,359
Speaker 3: To that that it? I mean, for me, it was,

818
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 3: this is way too fast. You know, we would have

819
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 3: much preferred that the divorce has been made known publicly

820
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 3: and been finalized, you know, before you all became a couple. Yeah,

821
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 3: I mean that would have been our preference.

822
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 1: It was it was ours too, by the.

823
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:54,919
Speaker 2: Way, but we were shocked. We were in the car

824
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 2: drive almost at the airport and Amy sent us a link.

825
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 2: Did you know read this before you come, or something

826
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 2: to that effect. I just wanted you to hear it

827
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 2: from me first before someone else texted you or you

828
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 2: just happened to see it. I wanted to make sure

829
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 2: you knew I was letting you know what was going on.

830
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 2: Thank you. I read it aloud, and neither want of

831
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 2: us said anything, just like I got nothing. And then

832
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 2: we got in the plane, said nothing, got back checked

833
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 2: at the hotel, said nothing, which is really rare. Yeah,

834
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 2: because I think both of us were thinking, and we're

835
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 2: also pretty strong Catholics, so we were also praying about

836
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 2: how do we handle this right so that we don't

837
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 2: hurt Amy's feelings and we don't hurt her. That was

838
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 2: our number one goal, and so we took her time

839
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 2: before we even approached. You invited us for dinner and

840
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:47,280
Speaker 2: we said not tonight.

841
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 4: It scared me because normally you all have opinions right away,

842
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 4: and so to not hear from you and to have

843
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 4: you pass on dinner, I was like, I mean, I

844
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:56,839
Speaker 4: was panicked that night.

845
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 3: Well, we had an opinion.

846
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 2: You are trying to.

847
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 3: We we were praying about, you know, how do we

848
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 3: best communicate this and how can we put ourselves in

849
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 3: a position to show you our love and our support,

850
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,760
Speaker 3: but do it in a meaningful.

851
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 4: Way, And you did because so yes that night. I

852
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 4: woke up the next morning and I remember, Mom, you

853
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 4: sent an incredibly thoughtful text, and I remember just feeling

854
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 4: my whole body just relaxed. And from that moment on,

855
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 4: I know you all prayed that night and you took

856
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 4: your time, which is actually something that I need to

857
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:37,839
Speaker 4: always do better at, because to react verbally to how

858
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 4: you're feeling emotionally is usually not.

859
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 2: Ever a good thing. And when you can.

860
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 4: Give yourself a beat where you pray, meditate, whatever it

861
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 4: is you do, just to really take your time to

862
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 4: choose your words and to think about what your.

863
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 2: Intent is, what you want. I'm not great at that,

864
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 2: but you all did that that night, and we're old, honey,

865
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 2: you're a lot older than you are, so not that

866
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 2: much just nineteen year Ye, that's true. But when you

867
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 2: did respond, it was and I don't like this word,

868
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,280
Speaker 2: but it was perfect. It was exactly what I needed

869
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 2: to hear.

870
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 4: And then from that moment on you came over, because

871
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 4: I went to work that day and you came over,

872
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:18,240
Speaker 4: and you were the two of you were my rocks

873
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 4: from that moment on, and I remember being so upset

874
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 4: that you were in town when this was all happening.

875
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 4: And then I remember the next day thinking, thank God

876
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 4: they were here when all of this was happening. So

877
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 4: that was everything. And so I actually, just hearing you

878
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 4: retell that story, it makes me. I'm constantly trying to

879
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 4: remind myself be better at not immediately.

880
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 2: Responding take a beat. Teacher's really good at that, I

881
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 2: will say, but it's you know, it's not my instinct,

882
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 2: but it's the right thing to do, right and for

883
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 2: us to say, you know what, we really didn't talk

884
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 2: about it the whole first day or night because it's

885
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 2: just like we just didn't know what to say. To you,

886
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,879
Speaker 2: even to each other. Yeah, so both said let's pray

887
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 2: about it and see what happens, and see what. And

888
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 2: then the next day I got Mike out of a

889
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 2: meeting and said, guess what, I know what we should

890
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 2: say now, And yeah, it's just like answer.

891
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 3: So I think you had a divine revelation. I do too,

892
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 3: you know, I truly do believe that. Yeah, it was

893
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 3: a divine revelation that you had that you told me about.

894
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 1: Did you say you text a link to them?

895
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 2: I think I think I wanted them to read it

896
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 2: because I knew, but you.

897
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:33,479
Speaker 1: Your first thing was, hey, I need to tell you something.

898
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 1: Our heads up, I need to call it. You just

899
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 1: sent the link.

900
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 2: Well, they were on the plane. I couldn't call them.

901
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 2: We're in the car. Oh but you were super busy,

902
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 2: you were.

903
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 4: I think we were dealing with ABC, we were dealing

904
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 4: with PR, we were dealing with lawyers, we were dealing with.

905
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 1: I can, but I can't imagine your parents getting a

906
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: message say hey, read this and then no kind of

907
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: follow up or no.

908
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 3: You need to read this before you land in New York.

909
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 1: Oh she did that dramatic thing.

910
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 2: Oh well, she also went doune them dumb.

911
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you did this to me the other

912
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 1: day on the phone.

913
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:09,839
Speaker 2: I do, I get.

914
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:13,479
Speaker 4: I have some very visceral emotional reactions sometimes to things

915
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 4: that don't necessarily fit what's actually happening.

916
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 2: In this case, it was warrants it.

917
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 1: I did not know that they were alerted just by

918
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: a link versus, Hey, mom and Dad need to tell

919
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,360
Speaker 1: you something blah blah blah bla blah blah blah. And

920
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 1: here's the link that just came out. You just hear

921
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 1: the link, read this before you land.

922
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:31,439
Speaker 4: I mean, I did, I give you a warning saying

923
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 4: something something off us happened and I need you to

924
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:36,439
Speaker 4: read this before you come.

925
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 2: So it was like, oh, no, you know so yeah, yeah.

926
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 2: My dad always told us to when we were growing up.

927
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 2: Do not react.

928
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 3: Act.

929
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 2: Don't react to somebody. Act, make a decision on how

930
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 2: you want to respond to somebody, and you do the acting.

931
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 2: And that always kind of stuck with us. By the way,

932
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 2: I'm sorry I gave you all the dramatic flare because

933
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 2: it came from me, and everything you're saying of me,

934
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 2: just just ask does it get better? Mom? Does it

935
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 2: get better when you get older? Do you learn how

936
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 2: to control and curb that. I don't know, do you

937
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:10,879
Speaker 2: really want to?

938
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:12,839
Speaker 1: Huh? So you're at this point?

939
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 2: Keeps it interesting?

940
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: And did you all want like you said, Buffo Rovoc,

941
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: you were I thought it was too fast and all

942
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 1: that makes sense. But were you surprised that she was

943
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 1: dating me? Not as a co anchor, but okay, I

944
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 1: could understand. Did you see were you totally shocked that

945
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 1: the two of us would end up dating?

946
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:48,359
Speaker 3: Well, we could see your on camera chemistry, you know,

947
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 3: and we had spent enough time with you all that

948
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 3: you know, we knew that you guys were in sync

949
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 3: in a lot of ways. I think the romantic part

950
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 3: was a little bit of a shock. I mean I

951
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 3: didn't see it coming. And maybe it's just me. I

952
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 3: mean I'm old and I don't see that well all

953
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 3: the time, so you know, but it was it was,

954
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 3: I think at the time surprising, but again one of

955
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 3: those things when you take a step back and you

956
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 3: think about it, and you look at your your on

957
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:24,399
Speaker 3: camera chemistry and you know, the time we spent with you,

958
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 3: it it wasn't surprising after the thought about.

959
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,839
Speaker 2: It, and also what you've been going through Amy, so

960
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:35,439
Speaker 2: that also was like Yep, it all fit. So yes,

961
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 2: Mom and Dad knew.

962
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:38,359
Speaker 4: I mean, look, there are only a few people we've

963
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 4: talked about this who knew what was happening in my

964
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:42,800
Speaker 4: private life, and you all were had front row seats.

965
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 4: And so I would say, Nikki and the two of you,

966
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 4: my best friend NICKI, who's been on the podcast.

967
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 2: Had front row seats in a way that no one

968
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 2: else did. I was very good at putting out a

969
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 2: certain image and a certain front, which I've talked about,

970
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 2: which you know, I it's an awful way to live

971
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 2: because you not living your truth and you're projecting or

972
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 2: presenting what you wish was the case versus what actually

973
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 2: is the case, or protecting yourself in some way. Yeah,

974
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 2: and it's it's ego.

975
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 4: It's a lot of things, you know. It's not like

976
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 4: all altruistic or something. I mean it definitely you don't.

977
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:15,879
Speaker 2: I don't want people to know my mess. I don't

978
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 2: want people to know. I want people to think things

979
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 2: are good.

980
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:20,879
Speaker 4: But you all did have a front row seat for

981
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:23,800
Speaker 4: a very long time, and so you were very supportive

982
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 4: about my decisions. I just didn't let you in on

983
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:30,959
Speaker 4: what was happening and developing between TEAJ and me. But Mom,

984
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 4: you even said, you know, you always saw our friendship,

985
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 4: and I know you always spoke and you guys always

986
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 4: spoke highly of it. You all loved watching us on

987
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 4: television together and chemistry. We would go out to lunch

988
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 4: with you, and we definitely spent time with you just

989
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,240
Speaker 4: as friends before any of this all happened.

990
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 2: So I don't know.

991
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 4: I mean, I know you all have had, like I said,

992
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,399
Speaker 4: a real insight into my life and who I am

993
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 4: and the right person for me. I don't know if

994
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 4: you ever even thought about who that would be or

995
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 4: what that person would look like or be like or

996
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 4: seem like.

997
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 2: What do you like?

998
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 4: And you haven't spent a ton of time with us.

999
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 4: It's a couple of but work coming up on our

1000
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 4: two years here, Yeah, gift time t J. I was

1001
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 4: a hint, but yeah, in August it'll be you know,

1002
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:20,879
Speaker 4: end of August will be two years since we've been

1003
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 4: You know that we made a decision to have a relationship,

1004
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 4: and we did make that decision.

1005
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:27,879
Speaker 2: So I mean, what do you see? What do you think?

1006
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 2: How do you let me ask you this? How do

1007
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 2: you think I am now? How have I changed? And

1008
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 2: how would you describe me. Now, that's easy. You're so

1009
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 2: much more settled. You're also so much more happy. I mean,

1010
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 2: you're just happy. I haven't seen you happy in quite

1011
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 2: a while. So, yeah, you're a happy person. You have

1012
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 2: a glow about This sounds corny, but you do. And

1013
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 2: when you talk. You have fewer friends, but the friends

1014
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 2: you have are the friends you know, and the right

1015
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 2: ones when you go through something like that. But yeah,

1016
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 2: you're just more carefree, happy, You're giggly. You're in love.

1017
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 2: I can see it.

1018
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:15,800
Speaker 1: So do you remember saying that was at your birthday?

1019
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,280
Speaker 1: There was a birthday in August last summer.

1020
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 2: Then it was like right about a year.

1021
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 1: We were down in Athens. You after the dinner we

1022
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 1: had down there, it was outside when I heard you say,

1023
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 1: he said, I got my Ami back. You said that

1024
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 1: I got my Amy back. And I didn't fully comprehend

1025
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 1: what that meant at the time, but you you went

1026
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 1: on and were speaking about how she's a different type

1027
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:40,839
Speaker 1: of joy from her child, your child. You talked about

1028
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 1: her in that way that night. I'll never forget that.

1029
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 2: Now you're gonna make me cry. We've got tissues. I've

1030
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 2: already dabbled, no I'm sure I said that because that's

1031
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:54,359
Speaker 2: exactly how I felt, because we lost you for a while.

1032
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 2: I mean, we'd stay in touch, but it was you

1033
00:49:56,719 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 2: were very guarded and we could feel it. So yeah,

1034
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 2: I was so lovely to have our daughter back.

1035
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 3: Yeah. There's a sense of freedom, I think, and a

1036
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:13,360
Speaker 3: sense of contentment that you didn't have before. It seemed like,

1037
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:16,360
Speaker 3: and we talked about this earlier, always seemed to be

1038
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 3: searching for something, you know, and maybe that was going

1039
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 3: places and searching for something. Well, you know, it seemed

1040
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:26,799
Speaker 3: to us that you found it, Yeah, and that that

1041
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 3: contentment and that joy was coming back, you know, to

1042
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 3: when you were younger.

1043
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 2: It's one of those amazing things when I've always seen

1044
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 2: your relationship and it's not perfect at all. Oh it is,

1045
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:43,399
Speaker 2: It's perfect. Come on, But I've always seen this, like

1046
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 2: like you all are a team, and I've always wanted

1047
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 2: a teammate, and I've always seen that, like through all

1048
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:54,839
Speaker 2: the tough times, you guys stick together. Even when Eric

1049
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 2: and I would try to divide and conquer, like we

1050
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 2: wanted to get what we wanted, it never worked.

1051
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 4: You guys were rock solid. It wasn't you know, go

1052
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 4: ask your mom. Or ask your dad, it was did

1053
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 4: your mom? What did your mom say? What did your

1054
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 4: dad say? And then you always backed each other up,

1055
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 4: even if you disagreed about it and talked about it behind,

1056
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 4: you know, closed doors, in front of.

1057
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:12,360
Speaker 2: Us, you were a solid front. And I think maybe

1058
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 2: I was so spoiled or like always wanted that and

1059
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 2: could never Like it's hard to find a teammate, it's

1060
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 2: hard to find someone who you can especially when you've

1061
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:24,399
Speaker 2: got kids and crazy lives, like to not have that

1062
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 2: person who you can count on to back you up.

1063
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 2: I think that I saw that in you.

1064
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 4: Two, and talk about safety, that's part of it, right,

1065
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 4: knowing you've got that person who's going to back you up.

1066
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 4: So interestingly, like being with TJ as his friend, but

1067
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 4: being his co anchor and going around the world and

1068
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:43,319
Speaker 4: traveling and really doing complicated, stressful things with him and

1069
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:45,879
Speaker 4: knowing he had my back always and I had his

1070
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:49,399
Speaker 4: on the air like we're talking just professionally speaking, it

1071
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 4: built something that I saw in you were like, this

1072
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:54,479
Speaker 4: is the person who I can count on, who isn't

1073
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 4: going to throw me under the bus, who isn't going to,

1074
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 4: you know, do anything to undermine me or us, and

1075
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 4: so I did. I always recognize that in you, and

1076
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 4: I think that is one of the things I was

1077
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 4: searching for. And I filled up my life with lots

1078
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 4: of friends and lots of parties and lots of and

1079
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:14,399
Speaker 4: I do love to dance, and I do love music,

1080
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:15,839
Speaker 4: and I do love all. It's nothing that I wasn't

1081
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 4: not being myself, but I was dad. I was searching

1082
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 4: or not. Maybe I couldn't find a person, but I

1083
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 4: was trying to find people right where I could have

1084
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 4: a tribe, where I could have that support.

1085
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:29,839
Speaker 2: I was looking for that and I found it.

1086
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:32,399
Speaker 1: What was that like? Is it different for a dad

1087
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 1: than a mom watching your You're hearing her say it now,

1088
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 1: but when you watch your daughter go through that or

1089
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:41,360
Speaker 1: express it now, it's like Dads, I mean, I got girls,

1090
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 1: little girls. As it means eleven that you always feel

1091
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:46,320
Speaker 1: like some kind of a protector.

1092
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 3: Well yeah, I mean I think that's kind of a

1093
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 3: natural feeling. But I would say that the philosophy we

1094
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 3: had in raising both of our kids was to prepare

1095
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,439
Speaker 3: them to go out in life on their own and

1096
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 3: providing that foundation and that moral compass, if you will,

1097
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 3: you know, to go out and to live your life

1098
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 3: and not to be dependent, but to know that we're there,

1099
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:20,320
Speaker 3: we love them, and to be supportive but not to enable.

1100
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 3: So it's very difficult when things like that happened and

1101
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:31,359
Speaker 3: you know you don't have any control, And that's part

1102
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 3: of being a parent is being able to let go

1103
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:38,359
Speaker 3: of that control but still try to have influence in

1104
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:40,959
Speaker 3: the way that you live your life and the way

1105
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 3: that you know. We've lived our lives together as an example, and.

1106
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:49,399
Speaker 2: I think if you look at both your parents, your

1107
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 2: parents and my parents raise us like that. Very there

1108
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:56,799
Speaker 2: were so many kids. I don't think my parents had

1109
00:53:56,840 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 2: a choice, but it was we knew what to do.

1110
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 2: We knew what you were supposed to do. We need

1111
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 2: to get it first of all, in turn sixteen, you

1112
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 2: need to get a job. So there were certain expectations

1113
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 2: that were there in my family, my parents, and in

1114
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 2: Mike's parents, and we were raised pretty much the same way.

1115
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 2: So I think you just kind of go on autopilot,

1116
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 2: and that's where you turn to your examples in life.

1117
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 1: Something she said to me, she said, you, oh, were

1118
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 1: always and correct me if I'm wrong here. But growing

1119
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 1: up they made clear that they put themselves in their

1120
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 1: relationship first, like you are kids, yes, but it was

1121
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 1: something that was the way we put it that this relationship,

1122
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 1: our marriage is what's first, and you kids are yes.

1123
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 2: Yes.

1124
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 4: I mean I think they kind of said that, like,

1125
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:43,759
Speaker 4: you know, we love you and we will always love you,

1126
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 4: but we come first. Our marriage comes first, our marriage

1127
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 4: comes before, like and that was it sounds.

1128
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:52,840
Speaker 2: I think people might hear that and say what, but

1129
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:55,759
Speaker 2: it actually was comforting to us as kids, like I

1130
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 2: knew my place first.

1131
00:54:56,920 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 6: Of all, did you though, Well, I put I pushed

1132
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 6: as much as I could. But but and then some yes,

1133
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:07,400
Speaker 6: But I don't hear many people say yes, I was

1134
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 6: the problem child.

1135
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:09,920
Speaker 2: And obviously I've continued the theme.

1136
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 4: But I don't think you hear many people say that

1137
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:16,920
Speaker 4: that they put their marriage ahead of like not that

1138
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:18,799
Speaker 4: you're like not loving your kids, but if there.

1139
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:20,759
Speaker 2: Was now go on vacation for like a month and

1140
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:23,799
Speaker 2: just leave you guys, no, do you know.

1141
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 4: You all were joke, always there and structured. But it

1142
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 4: was just like, our marriage is the most important thing

1143
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:30,359
Speaker 4: in this family unit.

1144
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 3: Well, I think people have to recognize, you know, husbands

1145
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 3: and wives need to recognize that they have their kids

1146
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 3: for maybe eighteen to you know, twenty three years, and then.

1147
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:44,759
Speaker 2: They're adults and they're gone and they never come there

1148
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:45,319
Speaker 2: on their own.

1149
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 3: It's really yeah, and you know they may come and

1150
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:49,239
Speaker 3: see you, and they may not.

1151
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 2: Even now I've got this huge meal prepared. It's like

1152
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 2: we just stand there and wait for somebody to comment,

1153
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 2: and we do.

1154
00:55:57,080 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 3: We're always looking out the window, you know, where are they?

1155
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:01,319
Speaker 2: Where they go?

1156
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 3: But no, I think that's that's true. I mean, you know,

1157
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:08,880
Speaker 3: fifty two years versus you know, eighteen to twenty three years.

1158
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 3: I mean, and the fifty two years are you know,

1159
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:13,799
Speaker 3: they're they're mounting up. You know, we're going to continue on.

1160
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:19,360
Speaker 3: So yeah, so we we we love one another. We

1161
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 3: are partners and we've always been partners, and that has

1162
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:26,840
Speaker 3: to come first. And I think that's set's an example

1163
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 3: for your children then too, so what their expectations should be.

1164
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 2: We still loved and do now love our children unconditionally.

1165
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 2: You've proven that.

1166
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 1: My last thing, of course, we have to do. She

1167
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:47,360
Speaker 1: knows where I'm going. Already you said that she was

1168
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:50,839
Speaker 1: the problem child, and Vins I never said.

1169
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:54,319
Speaker 2: I just said, and then it's okay, I take it.

1170
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 1: I take and part of the problem child was right.

1171
00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:58,840
Speaker 1: She has a flair for the dramatic, as you described,

1172
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 1: but part of her being dramatic, one of her go

1173
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 1: tos was the slamming of the door she was. I thought,

1174
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:08,319
Speaker 1: so do you take when does she start this as

1175
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 1: a kid? And it continued up to a point, and

1176
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 1: we're gonna take it up to that point. But when

1177
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:15,240
Speaker 1: why was this a thing of her slamming doors?

1178
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 3: It was her way of showing that maybe we weren't

1179
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 3: in charge, that maybe she was in charge, and it

1180
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 3: was maybe a control thing for her. Uh. And it

1181
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 3: was one of those I think emotional reactions instead of

1182
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 3: an intellectual reaction.

1183
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:36,920
Speaker 2: I think you might be right, and usually geared toward

1184
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 2: which one of us. I don't know. I think, who

1185
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 2: do you think it was? Mom? I know who it was,

1186
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 2: because you and your dad would get into some arguments.

1187
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 2: I'm silly. I mean he had you grounded in college. Yeah,

1188
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 2: which is that that's not gonna work. I was grounded

1189
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 2: on my sixteenth birthday and I think I got grounded

1190
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 2: for up to six weeks, like and you. And when

1191
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 2: you grounded me, you did not go you know what,

1192
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 2: never mind, you can go to the party. Uh. It

1193
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 2: was six weeks, like you would not back down if

1194
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 2: you punish me. You followed through.

1195
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 1: What was her usually her offense that got her grounded?

1196
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 3: Oh well, this particular offense, there were a couple of things.

1197
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 3: One member, she had a bedroom up at the top

1198
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 3: floor of the house that was all by itself, a

1199
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 3: bedroom and a bathroom, so it was up by itself,

1200
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 3: and she moved up there and had a telephone in

1201
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 3: her room, and she figured out something I don't know

1202
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 3: what it was with call waiting, so that she could

1203
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 3: take the phone off the hook and then people would call.

1204
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 2: And I can tell you what I did.

1205
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 4: I called my I worked at a party supply store.

1206
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 4: I knew it was closed, so and I knew I

1207
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 4: had a plan for friends to call. This is what

1208
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 4: we had to do when we didn't have cell phones

1209
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 4: and texting, and I wanted to meet up and probably

1210
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 4: sneak out of the house because I was grounded, So

1211
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 4: I would set up a I don't know how I

1212
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 4: set up a time for I knew they'd probably call

1213
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 4: me after like eleven or midnight, when I was clearly

1214
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 4: not allowed to be on the phone. Take my phone

1215
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 4: and call my work and it would just ring incessantly, incessantly,

1216
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:06,920
Speaker 4: and then as the rings would go, eventually someone go

1217
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 4: peep and call in, and I could click over and

1218
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 4: go hey, and you all would not know that anyone

1219
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 4: called the house pretty good, christ on sale.

1220
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:21,680
Speaker 3: Pretty ingenious. But so she also then would would always

1221
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:25,160
Speaker 3: close the door and keep the door closed, and we

1222
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 3: kept saying, no, you need to have lock it and

1223
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 3: lock it, so don't open the door, keep the door open.

1224
00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:32,920
Speaker 3: You don't need to be closing the door all the time.

1225
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 3: And I think at one point she said, okay, fine,

1226
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:40,680
Speaker 3: and she walked back into the room and just slammed

1227
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 3: the door shut. Boom, just slammed it shut. And so

1228
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 3: I went up there and made her open and closed

1229
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 3: the door.

1230
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 2: I don't know if it was one hundred fifty, it.

1231
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 3: Could have been fifty, could have been und a lot.

1232
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 2: It was from my mother. So I passed that on

1233
00:59:56,360 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 2: as punishment because I evidently was a door slammer as well.

1234
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 2: And the phone, it's not your fault.

1235
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 3: Open open and close the door and get up, you know,

1236
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:13,959
Speaker 3: forty nine times forty nine, and then the fiftieth one

1237
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 3: she would just take it and slam it shut.

1238
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 2: So eventually I.

1239
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 3: Then decided to come up with my tools and remove

1240
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 3: the door. So we removed the phone jack and we removed.

1241
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 1: Yes, how old was this child at the time, sixteen

1242
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 1: seventeen maybe sixteen.

1243
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 3: Seven, sixteen.

1244
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:39,160
Speaker 1: Did she ever get the door back in her high

1245
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:39,760
Speaker 1: school days?

1246
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:43,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think eventually, you know, it may have been

1247
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 3: six months.

1248
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:47,480
Speaker 2: It was a while. It was a long time. No,

1249
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:47,960
Speaker 2: I did not.

1250
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:50,160
Speaker 4: I did learn the lesson, I will say that much.

1251
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 4: But I think a lot of my are problems and

1252
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 4: me getting grounded, like for extended periods of time was

1253
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:59,720
Speaker 4: because I talked back. My dad would say, don't say

1254
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:01,120
Speaker 4: another word, and I was like, I'm going to say

1255
01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 4: it anyway. And then he's like, way, now you have

1256
01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:04,880
Speaker 4: another week. And I'm like, really, let's just keep going.

1257
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:06,120
Speaker 4: My Dad's like, okay, let's make.

1258
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:07,560
Speaker 2: It two weeks. And so it would just that's what

1259
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:10,440
Speaker 2: would happen. And I would and my brother would look

1260
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 2: at me, you are so dumb. Just stop talking, like

1261
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:14,840
Speaker 2: he's like, why do you do that to yourself?

1262
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 3: I'd inspire a lot of control. You had this this

1263
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:22,800
Speaker 3: sense of you wanted justice for what you felt justice

1264
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:25,400
Speaker 3: should be, and that's not the way it works.

1265
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 2: I lost you were just as stubborn as at the

1266
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 2: two of you are like, Wow, I have to say

1267
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:30,760
Speaker 2: I got this one.

1268
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:33,160
Speaker 4: I got my emotional dramatic flare from you, and I

1269
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:34,480
Speaker 4: got my stubbornness from dad.

1270
01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:35,400
Speaker 2: See not my fault.

1271
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:42,960
Speaker 1: Thanks guys. It does wonders for us at home. No,

1272
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:45,800
Speaker 1: I've heard that Hinge story for solo. I have one

1273
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 1: question about it. Did she counting out loud? Are you

1274
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:49,360
Speaker 1: watching her while she's doing it?

1275
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:51,320
Speaker 2: Or no? We could just hear she had to count

1276
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 2: out one due forty nine and then fifty bad. I

1277
01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:57,800
Speaker 2: have to say it felt really good.

1278
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 1: Still to this day, she still feels like that's just.

1279
01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:05,080
Speaker 2: I kind of might do it again.

1280
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 4: She's Oh, and then my oldest ava inherited it too,

1281
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:14,120
Speaker 4: so yes, it's been passed along.

1282
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:16,720
Speaker 1: So again, you all are in town now because actually

1283
01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:20,080
Speaker 1: it's part of time we are at least her graduation

1284
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 1: is high school graduation. You all are in town for that.

1285
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:24,920
Speaker 1: I know that's a big, a good time in a

1286
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 1: family time. There's a lot being planned, and I know

1287
01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:28,840
Speaker 1: it's a lot you all are looking forward to. And

1288
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:30,120
Speaker 1: I know you all have been through a lot the

1289
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:34,280
Speaker 1: past year and a half. And yeah, I had a

1290
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:36,360
Speaker 1: hand in a lot of what you've gone through, your

1291
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 1: family's going through, and what your daughter's going through. And

1292
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:42,600
Speaker 1: for that, I apologize. Never meant that to be the case, obviously,

1293
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:44,800
Speaker 1: But I love this one. I've loved it for a

1294
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:47,640
Speaker 1: long time. I love her in a different way now.

1295
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:49,440
Speaker 1: But you all have been around saying it here on Mike,

1296
01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:51,800
Speaker 1: you all have talked to me, We've this isn't new

1297
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:54,240
Speaker 1: to you all now, but I'll just I will say

1298
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 1: it here that it is really really settling and loved

1299
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:02,200
Speaker 1: to be in the place we all are now, given

1300
01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:04,000
Speaker 1: where we all were a year and a half ago.

1301
01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:06,080
Speaker 1: The fact that I'm as I think you all know,

1302
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:07,960
Speaker 1: I've been hanging out with the girls and cutting up,

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Speaker 1: and just the fact that we're all together in this

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Speaker 1: way now that so much of the storm has passed,

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Speaker 1: is a big deal. So it's great to even be

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Speaker 1: able to sit here on the microphones and talk to

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Speaker 1: you guys with smiles on your face.

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Speaker 2: Same here going to lunch and it's picking up the tab.

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Speaker 1: Well, oh him, we've been through this. It didn't go

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Speaker 1: So that might be the one of the biggest mistakes

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Speaker 1: I've made in your my relationship with your parents, is

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Speaker 1: I paid the bill when we went to dinner, and.

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Speaker 2: Your dad and like that, well he got you back.

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Speaker 1: Well I already called ahead to the restaurant.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, guys, and if I have, I know I've

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Speaker 4: said it to you privately, but I would like to

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Speaker 4: say it publicly.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. Thank you for being the most amazing parents

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Speaker 2: through an unimaginably tough time and just knowing that you

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Speaker 2: stood by my side no matter what that was everything.

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Speaker 2: So thank you. Oh, I don't even it's just in

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Speaker 2: you know how you feel about your children. You die

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Speaker 2: for them, you would, So that's how we felt. And

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Speaker 2: I'm going to stop talking so I don't cry.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we love you, We love you, and I think

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Speaker 3: that says at all. We love you and we'll continue

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Speaker 3: to love you.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, guys, Thank you for coming on the podcast.

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Speaker 4: I know it's not exactly in your wheelhouse, so thank you.

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Speaker 4: We appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: It is now. Oh repeat, guests, we got it once

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Speaker 2: a year update with the robots