WEBVTT - RHOA Exclusive with Miss Lawrence

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Reality the King. It's me Carlos King, the

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<v Speaker 1>King of Reality TV and one of the most sought

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<v Speaker 1>after executive producers in reality television with over ten years

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<v Speaker 1>of production experience. Twice a week on Reality with the King,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll sit down with my friends across the entertainment industry,

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<v Speaker 1>recap our favorite reality shows and revisit unforgettable moments that

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<v Speaker 1>we are still talking and tweeting about. Ladies, Gelamen and

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<v Speaker 1>Day cause you know, we gotta be all inclusive, right.

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<v Speaker 1>I am here with my Libra brother, my sister, my friend,

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<v Speaker 1>my love icon, legendary baby Acto Okay in the number

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<v Speaker 1>one movie out right now on Netflix, starring with Academy

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<v Speaker 1>Award winners and nominees Glenn Close, Monique and for Day

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<v Speaker 1>and my best says give it up for the One

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<v Speaker 1>the only no last name needed baby, Miss Lauren.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, it's so good to see you. I miss you.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you really? I really do miss you too?

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<v Speaker 1>No, you are I feel like we all started together.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes we did.

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<v Speaker 1>And what I want to say to you is I

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<v Speaker 1>am very proud of you. Thank you and the reason

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<v Speaker 1>why I'm proud of you. And we'll get to the

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<v Speaker 1>episode later I'm proud of you because you had a

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<v Speaker 1>dream and you never allowed it to waiver. What you

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<v Speaker 1>are doing right now in this space with Lee Daniels. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's something that I know through our personal conversations that

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<v Speaker 1>you always wanted to do and the fact that you

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<v Speaker 1>are living out your wildest dreams. I just want to

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<v Speaker 1>say to you on the record, in front of the world.

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<v Speaker 1>I know firsthand the sacrifices you've made. I know firsthand

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<v Speaker 1>how and we'll get into this too, how you've had

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<v Speaker 1>some stressful, depressing moments in your life, right, yes, and

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<v Speaker 1>you are faith based human and God is the reason

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<v Speaker 1>why you were able to go through it, flow through

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<v Speaker 1>it and come.

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<v Speaker 2>Out of it unscathed. So I just want to say,

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<v Speaker 2>ron of applause, say talk This ain't easy, yea. And

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<v Speaker 2>I have to say it was a dream or wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>an idea that I didn't think would ever come to

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<v Speaker 2>fruition are come to pass? Right? And how I even

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<v Speaker 2>ended up, how we even got a chance to meet

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's because I abandoned the side of me

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<v Speaker 2>that belonged to the arts, the side of me that

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<v Speaker 2>belonged to the acting world, the singing world, the dance world,

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<v Speaker 2>all around arts. I abandoned that and I became a

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<v Speaker 2>hairstylist and it was through my gift of being a hairstylist,

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<v Speaker 2>which is also artistry, that led me to us meeting.

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<v Speaker 2>But I have to say that it you know, it

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<v Speaker 2>was nothing. I never thought that I would be where

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<v Speaker 2>I am, and yes it has. I have had some

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<v Speaker 2>extremely dark days. Because the more you know, the more

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<v Speaker 2>you weigh. The more you learn, the more you weigh,

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<v Speaker 2>the more things weigh you down. The more the truth

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<v Speaker 2>about society, the you know, the truth about this game,

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<v Speaker 2>this industry, it will weigh you down. So when I say,

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<v Speaker 2>the more you know and the more you learn, the

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<v Speaker 2>more you weigh. But I wouldn't change any of it

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<v Speaker 2>for the for the world. What I would do is

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<v Speaker 2>is if I had if I had an idea and

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<v Speaker 2>someone gave me a heads up, I would have better prepared.

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<v Speaker 2>I would have better prepared. But it's it's been it's

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<v Speaker 2>been a journey so far, and I'm I'm still just

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<v Speaker 2>scratching the surface, but it has definitely been a journey.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, let's let's get from the Let's start in the beginning.

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<v Speaker 1>Because you are a preacher's kid, no, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Thought you I grew up in church. You grew up ink,

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<v Speaker 2>But I grew up in church. Yes, I did talk

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<v Speaker 2>to me about being a black being in church. Did

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<v Speaker 2>and you also were in sports. I played football when

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<v Speaker 2>I was little. You know, that was during that discovery

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<v Speaker 2>era of my parents, right when they were discovering on

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<v Speaker 2>how to be the best parent, when they saw the

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<v Speaker 2>infeminite ways in which I had, you know, trying to

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<v Speaker 2>turn me into that American dream child or that American

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<v Speaker 2>little boy. So they put me in football. And because

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<v Speaker 2>I just kind of have an innate passion to excel

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<v Speaker 2>and be the best at anything that I do, I

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<v Speaker 2>was really good at it. I did not want to

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<v Speaker 2>do it. I would have much rather been on the

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<v Speaker 2>sidelines with the cheerleaders or you know, all the other

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<v Speaker 2>drill team girls and stuff like that. But I did

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<v Speaker 2>really well at playing football. I played football for the

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<v Speaker 2>College Park Rams. Shout out to the College Park Rams.

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<v Speaker 2>I was a linebacker, and the most fascinating thing was

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<v Speaker 2>seeing looking at all the boys. And I was really good.

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<v Speaker 2>I was so good and so much so that the

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<v Speaker 2>following season, the coach reached out to my father and

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<v Speaker 2>was like, you know, we want them back as the quarterback,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, I'm not doing that again. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't give damn how good I was. I'm not doing

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<v Speaker 2>that again. Now, y'all tried, and I'm still around here

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<v Speaker 2>walking with a broken wrist, and I'm still walking around

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<v Speaker 2>here walking with a twist and a broken hill and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just comfortable with that. So the football trick didn't work,

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<v Speaker 2>so I'm not gonna go do it again. How old

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<v Speaker 2>were you when you did the football thing?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't remember. I was so little. I was young.

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<v Speaker 2>I was really young. I don't remember. I really don't.

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<v Speaker 2>When did you know that you were gay? As far

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<v Speaker 2>as I can remember, I knew that boys. Men just

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<v Speaker 2>did something for me, you know what I mean? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>But when I learned what love looks like that moment,

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<v Speaker 2>it had nothing to do with a man or a woman.

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<v Speaker 2>Love showed me everything that I needed to know to

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<v Speaker 2>get through life. So while my attractions and my desire

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<v Speaker 2>for men still to this day is what I want

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<v Speaker 2>because I am gay, but what I what I hope

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<v Speaker 2>and I pray, especially for my straight community, is that

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<v Speaker 2>they learn that love has nothing to do with gender.

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<v Speaker 2>It has absolutely nothing to do with gender. Yes you

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<v Speaker 2>will be same gender loving, but that doesn't mean that

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<v Speaker 2>that type of love is different from heterosexual love, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what I mean? And I learned that when I

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<v Speaker 2>found my love for black women, when I learned that

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<v Speaker 2>we were inseparable, when I was became enamored by their beauty,

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<v Speaker 2>which led me to getting into the beauty industry. It's

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<v Speaker 2>an indescribable feeling, you know. When I learned that black

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<v Speaker 2>women were my safe haven, starting with my mother, my sister, grandmother,

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<v Speaker 2>you name it, and just wanting to be around them,

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<v Speaker 2>wanting to protect them, and that they protected my emotions

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<v Speaker 2>and what I thought of myself, which I later discovered

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<v Speaker 2>they were. Black women were the first allies for me.

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<v Speaker 2>That's when I knew that love really has nothing to

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<v Speaker 2>do with gender. And I want people to learn that.

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<v Speaker 1>Did your mother as a kid protect you from people

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<v Speaker 1>who may have thought you were different?

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<v Speaker 2>Or were you bullied or teased or like what? I never?

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<v Speaker 2>I have to be honest, I don't. I never got bullied.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think that I can remember. I never. I

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<v Speaker 2>never got bullied. Yeah, people would, I've heard every slur

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<v Speaker 2>you can think of, you know, but I never got bullied.

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<v Speaker 2>I never got like beat up or I never got

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<v Speaker 2>that because I was one that would fight and I

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<v Speaker 2>knew how to thank God for my big family that

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<v Speaker 2>I have, But I didn't. I didn't have that problem.

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<v Speaker 2>I have to be honest with you, I did not

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<v Speaker 2>have that problem. While I know it exists and I

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<v Speaker 2>know it was treacherous back in the day, it was

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<v Speaker 2>terrible some some of some of the girls, some of

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<v Speaker 2>us didn't make it out because of it. So and

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<v Speaker 2>we still have a lot of work to do to

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<v Speaker 2>erradical hate that. But that was not my experience. I

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<v Speaker 2>think most of my trauma came from emotional and mental trauma.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. That actually didn't happen until later again, when

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<v Speaker 2>I became an aware individual. Because growing up, I always

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<v Speaker 2>had my talents that would be celebrated. I was always

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<v Speaker 2>a good dancer. I was always the one that would

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<v Speaker 2>dance at the school pep rallies or you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>was always the one in high school I could do hair,

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<v Speaker 2>so all the girls, they all lived for me. I

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<v Speaker 2>had the baddest girls. That was always my closest friends.

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<v Speaker 2>So the boys always loved me because they knew I

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<v Speaker 2>came with the girls. I didn't have that I didn't have.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't have a problem, and you know, it didn't

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<v Speaker 2>come until later when I had this idea that I

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<v Speaker 2>could take my rightful place and shape in society as

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<v Speaker 2>I am, that I would later be shunned out of

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<v Speaker 2>places because it wasn't fully accepted. And that's when I'm like, wait,

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<v Speaker 2>what is this? You know? And then I had to

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<v Speaker 2>go do some studying and I had to do some

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<v Speaker 2>unlearning and some relearning or learn or whatever that I

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<v Speaker 2>discovered where our discontents were in our culture as black people.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I want to get into that because I first

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<v Speaker 1>met you on the set of The Real Housewives of

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<v Speaker 1>Atlanta in two thousand and eight. Right, I was living

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<v Speaker 1>in New York City at the time, and you and

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think we ever talked about this. So in

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<v Speaker 1>New York City there were these this is like before

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<v Speaker 1>social media. Yeah, there were these pictures floating around on

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<v Speaker 1>blogs of you and Derek Jy in Atlanta Brain Hills.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is two thousand and eight, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>a whole thing about like black men wearing heels like

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<v Speaker 1>this phenomenon. Right, So here I am leaving New York City,

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<v Speaker 1>I go to Atlanta, to do this reality show right.

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<v Speaker 2>And I get to Chara's home and I see you.

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<v Speaker 1>And all black and the highest of the high heels

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<v Speaker 1>and me growing up in Detroit, Michigan, same experience as yours.

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't, you know, physically bullied or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously lived in New York City. Everybody New York City

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<v Speaker 1>is different, but really never really saw gay black men

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<v Speaker 1>in hells. And I remember looking at you, like, that's

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<v Speaker 1>the guy whose pictures are floating all around these blogs,

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<v Speaker 1>and you were so this is the funny thing about it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, he is the most beautiful, confident man I

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<v Speaker 2>have ever seen. And we are around again.

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<v Speaker 1>This is two thousand and eight, the upper Eeschenol, black

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<v Speaker 1>folks in Atlanta, white people, too, straight people, and you

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<v Speaker 1>appeared to fit in like a glove. When did you

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<v Speaker 1>decide for yourself when you talk about the space you

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to be in this world? When did that decision

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<v Speaker 1>come to being like I'm gonna make up and some

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<v Speaker 1>heels and it's gonna be me.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what. It's weird because it wasn't like a decision.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't like, Okay, this is the moment, this is

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<v Speaker 2>what I I have to credit all of it to

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<v Speaker 2>the beauty industry. I've been wearing heels or pumps or whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>thigh haaboots, you name it since probably what two thousand

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<v Speaker 2>and three, two thousand and four. Prior to that, I

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<v Speaker 2>graduated from high school in two thousand and one. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not ashamed of my age. I graduated from high school

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<v Speaker 2>in two thousand and one. And even in high school,

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<v Speaker 2>while I didn't wear heels, I wore like cowboy boots,

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<v Speaker 2>but I would have like the heel of them extended.

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<v Speaker 2>I would like, oh, ask some more, the padding of

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<v Speaker 2>the soul, make the soul thicker, because I wanted it higher,

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<v Speaker 2>because it did something so satisfying for me. It wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>for attention, it was it was it was internal. It

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<v Speaker 2>was what I felt, you know. And I was probably

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<v Speaker 2>the only person in high school walking around like that.

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<v Speaker 2>And I mean I was wearing hair back then. By

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<v Speaker 2>the time y'all met me, I had slightly toned it

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<v Speaker 2>down because prior y'all was walking around with booty shorts.

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<v Speaker 2>What ass out the cowboy slash cowgirl boots? You yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>a juicy conture sweat suits with the timberlands, you know, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>very very baby fat about it, very baby fat about it.

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<v Speaker 2>So by the time I could y'all met me a lot,

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<v Speaker 2>I had come out of that era and I had

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<v Speaker 2>gone into grown into like the Manolo Blonics and the

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<v Speaker 2>Captain Melandrinos of it all. The blouse says, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>So there was never this this moment, this defining moment

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<v Speaker 2>where I'm like, oh, I'm gonna wear makeup. It was

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<v Speaker 2>just what I felt. It felt good when I started

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<v Speaker 2>being I started in the salon as an assistant when

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<v Speaker 2>I was fifteen years old. I worked downtown at the salon,

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<v Speaker 2>and it just felt natural to go in, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>put a little dust of powder on my face. Didn't

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<v Speaker 2>know what the hell I was doing. It was a

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<v Speaker 2>disaster back then, but it felt I felt good about it,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was celebrated for it because I was good

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<v Speaker 2>at what I did. I was the best shampooor you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I was the best assistant. Everyone left with a smile

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<v Speaker 2>and felt good. So I was always celebrated just as

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<v Speaker 2>I was. And so as I got older and I

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<v Speaker 2>became my own, you know, became a hairstylist for myself,

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<v Speaker 2>and I got into doing hair shows, and I remember

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<v Speaker 2>in two thousand and five, which was a defining moment.

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<v Speaker 2>In two thousand and five, I did the Brono Brother

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<v Speaker 2>Hair Battle Royale. I was a rookie at the time.

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<v Speaker 2>I had been invited to compete because the person that

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<v Speaker 2>was over that reached out to me she had seen

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<v Speaker 2>me at the Monique's Hair Show movie premiere. I think

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<v Speaker 2>it was called Monique's Hair Show or the Hair Show

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<v Speaker 2>or some beauty shot premiere, some kind of movie premiere

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<v Speaker 2>center around hair and Monique was in it. And I

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<v Speaker 2>had gone and I had this Gion Franco Foray labels

0:16:41.880 --> 0:16:46.200
<v Speaker 2>Gion Franco Foray tennis skirt on with the matching boots

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<v Speaker 2>and the top. And I had a set of cards

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<v Speaker 2>that said that had my information on it and it

0:16:52.760 --> 0:16:57.800
<v Speaker 2>said the card said she she ostentatiously stylish and deliberately chic,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was a picture of my work on there.

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<v Speaker 2>And I got a phone call some week, maybe a

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<v Speaker 2>week or two later from Lord bless Us Soul Mami

0:17:07.640 --> 0:17:10.920
<v Speaker 2>bell Uh at the time, and she said, we saw

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<v Speaker 2>you at the at the at the Hair Show premiere,

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<v Speaker 2>and we want to invite you to compete. And the

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<v Speaker 2>prestigious Hair Battle Royale, you will be the first of

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<v Speaker 2>the youngest to ever do it. But the way she said,

0:17:24.600 --> 0:17:26.840
<v Speaker 2>the way you came to that premiere, we know you

0:17:26.880 --> 0:17:31.560
<v Speaker 2>were put on a show. And I went and Honey destroyed,

0:17:32.680 --> 0:17:38.240
<v Speaker 2>destroyed the hair battle. I will forever say that I won.

0:17:40.119 --> 0:17:42.560
<v Speaker 2>I will. I will tell you, I will to my

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<v Speaker 2>last day, I wist say I won. But they didn't

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<v Speaker 2>let me win because I came out there and I

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<v Speaker 2>had on some thigh high Gion Marco Gion Marco Lorenzi

0:17:52.400 --> 0:17:57.200
<v Speaker 2>boots and they were thigh hide and I had the

0:17:57.200 --> 0:17:59.720
<v Speaker 2>the high waist pants. It was over. Then I had

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<v Speaker 2>one of my girlfriends on the stage and she was

0:18:02.160 --> 0:18:04.800
<v Speaker 2>one of the girls Honey, and I mean the room

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<v Speaker 2>went ballistic. They had never and mind you, Brunn a

0:18:07.240 --> 0:18:09.560
<v Speaker 2>brother at the time, and they still aren't assuming the

0:18:09.720 --> 0:18:13.439
<v Speaker 2>very religious hair company they were. They're very faith based

0:18:13.440 --> 0:18:16.840
<v Speaker 2>and at that time, what I was walking around representing

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<v Speaker 2>and presenting was not acceptable. And that was one of

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<v Speaker 2>the first times that I felt denied because of who

0:18:25.320 --> 0:18:28.199
<v Speaker 2>I was. And so I will forever say that I

0:18:28.240 --> 0:18:30.840
<v Speaker 2>won that battle. However, they just didn't give it to me.

0:18:30.840 --> 0:18:34.560
<v Speaker 2>And that's okay because later they made their wrong right.

0:18:35.200 --> 0:18:37.600
<v Speaker 2>They've reached out to me several times to come and

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<v Speaker 2>host and excuse me to come and judge the hair battles,

0:18:41.240 --> 0:18:43.640
<v Speaker 2>and they've had to pay me triple what I would

0:18:43.680 --> 0:18:49.120
<v Speaker 2>have won. So delay is not denial, but that going back,

0:18:49.240 --> 0:18:50.840
<v Speaker 2>that was one of the first times that I ever

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<v Speaker 2>felt like I was shunned because of how I chose

0:18:54.520 --> 0:18:58.960
<v Speaker 2>to show up, you know. So I can't say that

0:18:59.040 --> 0:19:02.000
<v Speaker 2>there is a defiance any moment. It's just I just

0:19:02.200 --> 0:19:07.080
<v Speaker 2>walked into and honored and honored my destiny and my journey,

0:19:07.359 --> 0:19:11.000
<v Speaker 2>and that just so happened to come with makeup. It

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<v Speaker 2>just so happened to come with the heels. It just

0:19:13.240 --> 0:19:16.719
<v Speaker 2>don't happened to come with the blouse or skirt, you know.

0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:23.520
<v Speaker 2>And here we are, decades later, and I still extract

0:19:24.200 --> 0:19:27.320
<v Speaker 2>from that person that I was then, not so much

0:19:27.320 --> 0:19:29.520
<v Speaker 2>as now because I like being a little more comfortable now.

0:19:29.720 --> 0:19:33.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm not trying to walk around with you know, A

0:19:34.200 --> 0:19:37.040
<v Speaker 2>excuse this term, but it is what it is. It's

0:19:37.040 --> 0:19:40.239
<v Speaker 2>called a gaff. A gaf is like a little thing that,

0:19:40.720 --> 0:19:43.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, keep you tucked and right in place, so

0:19:43.840 --> 0:19:46.600
<v Speaker 2>you ain't riding here bulging all over the place. I

0:19:46.600 --> 0:19:48.520
<v Speaker 2>don't want to walk around all that stuff on no more.

0:19:48.600 --> 0:19:50.200
<v Speaker 2>I don't feel like my feet hurting no more. I

0:19:50.240 --> 0:19:51.800
<v Speaker 2>don't feel like none of it no more. So I

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<v Speaker 2>want to do it if it colls for that AKA,

0:19:55.000 --> 0:19:58.480
<v Speaker 2>if I'm working, yes, you know, yeah, Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So the thing is is, back then, when I came

0:20:02.840 --> 0:20:06.359
<v Speaker 1>to Atlanta in two thousand and eight, I was.

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<v Speaker 2>Impressed and.

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<v Speaker 1>So like enamored with Atlanta in the social scene. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>Atlanta now is different, you know, I think it's very different.

0:20:23.520 --> 0:20:27.960
<v Speaker 1>In two thousand and eight, I felt like baby Atlanta

0:20:28.200 --> 0:20:31.879
<v Speaker 1>was the place to be. Talk to me about because

0:20:31.880 --> 0:20:35.000
<v Speaker 1>me and Takara spoke about New York City in the

0:20:35.560 --> 0:20:39.439
<v Speaker 1>very amazing decade of two thousand through twenty ten, and

0:20:39.480 --> 0:20:41.240
<v Speaker 1>now New York at the same anymore.

0:20:42.000 --> 0:20:46.000
<v Speaker 2>Talk me through what that era was like in Atlanta.

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<v Speaker 1>I just I just remember these beautiful, rich, wealthy, successful

0:20:52.560 --> 0:20:58.639
<v Speaker 1>black people who were inter mingling with white society on

0:20:58.760 --> 0:21:03.359
<v Speaker 1>this same level. And you fit like a glove. You

0:21:03.400 --> 0:21:06.720
<v Speaker 1>are not a sore thumb. You know, we were following

0:21:06.760 --> 0:21:12.919
<v Speaker 1>these housewives, right, but you had something What was it

0:21:12.960 --> 0:21:15.960
<v Speaker 1>about Atlanta at that time where it was like this

0:21:16.040 --> 0:21:17.520
<v Speaker 1>is like nothing we've ever seen.

0:21:18.520 --> 0:21:22.719
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna tell you what makes Atlanta so magical, and

0:21:22.760 --> 0:21:24.720
<v Speaker 2>it has nothing to do with us, but it has

0:21:24.840 --> 0:21:32.119
<v Speaker 2>everything to do with our civil rights heroes and ancestors.

0:21:33.720 --> 0:21:40.240
<v Speaker 2>When you look at where black people at large has

0:21:40.280 --> 0:21:45.800
<v Speaker 2>been able to do become doctors, become lawyers, become CEOs,

0:21:45.960 --> 0:21:51.840
<v Speaker 2>become music executives, become film directors, you name it, it

0:21:51.920 --> 0:21:56.000
<v Speaker 2>is because of the work of our civil rights heroes,

0:21:58.320 --> 0:22:03.879
<v Speaker 2>and the civil rights era started in Atlanta, Georgia. This

0:22:04.040 --> 0:22:07.680
<v Speaker 2>is the birthplace of the civil rights movement. By way

0:22:07.680 --> 0:22:10.520
<v Speaker 2>of doctor King, by way of Bayard Rustin, who was

0:22:10.560 --> 0:22:16.000
<v Speaker 2>an openly black gay man. They worked with their white

0:22:16.080 --> 0:22:19.680
<v Speaker 2>counterparts to create change. They work with each other, whether

0:22:19.720 --> 0:22:22.840
<v Speaker 2>they are straight, and I think what we are living

0:22:22.920 --> 0:22:26.760
<v Speaker 2>right now is their wildest dream and I don't think

0:22:26.800 --> 0:22:31.000
<v Speaker 2>people even realize that. That is what makes Atlanta so magical,

0:22:31.359 --> 0:22:35.000
<v Speaker 2>the fact that you can walk around and you can

0:22:35.040 --> 0:22:39.800
<v Speaker 2>take inventory of the people that are in this amazing city.

0:22:40.160 --> 0:22:45.639
<v Speaker 2>Some are black and gay, extremely successful, living on the

0:22:45.680 --> 0:22:49.480
<v Speaker 2>same street as the governor, building homes around the corner

0:22:49.480 --> 0:22:54.119
<v Speaker 2>from the Governor. You see black women living the same

0:22:54.240 --> 0:22:58.840
<v Speaker 2>way their white counterparts, you know, live, and black men

0:22:58.960 --> 0:23:02.919
<v Speaker 2>doing their things. That is what the dream was and

0:23:02.960 --> 0:23:06.879
<v Speaker 2>it got started right here. And I think that is

0:23:06.960 --> 0:23:09.639
<v Speaker 2>what people. That is what you see, that is what

0:23:09.720 --> 0:23:14.160
<v Speaker 2>you get. We have our own type of love language

0:23:14.200 --> 0:23:17.959
<v Speaker 2>here in Atlanta. We say what we want when we

0:23:18.000 --> 0:23:22.120
<v Speaker 2>get ready, and we're unbothered by how someone feels about it.

0:23:22.920 --> 0:23:29.920
<v Speaker 2>Because again, when Doctor King, when Bayard, when Andy Young,

0:23:30.640 --> 0:23:34.160
<v Speaker 2>when John Lewis, when those people spoke and they spoke

0:23:34.200 --> 0:23:38.000
<v Speaker 2>the truth, they didn't care what nobody thought. They spoke

0:23:38.080 --> 0:23:40.479
<v Speaker 2>and did and said what needed to be said and

0:23:40.520 --> 0:23:44.040
<v Speaker 2>what needed to be done. And that is what makes

0:23:44.080 --> 0:23:47.040
<v Speaker 2>it magical. That is what you felt in two thousand

0:23:47.080 --> 0:23:48.600
<v Speaker 2>and eight when you came here.

0:23:49.840 --> 0:23:54.000
<v Speaker 1>When Bravo came to do this reality show. Did you

0:23:54.200 --> 0:23:57.040
<v Speaker 1>think it would be the big phenomena it is today?

0:23:57.080 --> 0:23:58.720
<v Speaker 2>Hell no, I didn't know.

0:23:59.080 --> 0:23:59.159
<v Speaker 3>No.

0:23:59.359 --> 0:24:02.720
<v Speaker 2>First of all, none of us knew. None of us

0:24:02.840 --> 0:24:08.359
<v Speaker 2>knew what was happening. Schara and I were friends. Schara

0:24:08.520 --> 0:24:11.000
<v Speaker 2>reached out to me one day and she said, you know,

0:24:11.000 --> 0:24:12.760
<v Speaker 2>I always have to talk like I can't help it. No,

0:24:13.240 --> 0:24:15.840
<v Speaker 2>I love you. Something that happens, I just I love her.

0:24:15.880 --> 0:24:19.800
<v Speaker 2>You mock the girls and out to me. Now, mind you.

0:24:19.880 --> 0:24:23.720
<v Speaker 2>She might not have even been around anybody. But because

0:24:23.720 --> 0:24:27.840
<v Speaker 2>SCHARAA and Scharay, she always is going to make sure

0:24:27.960 --> 0:24:32.400
<v Speaker 2>no one hears her. She probably wasn't even around anybody,

0:24:32.840 --> 0:24:38.760
<v Speaker 2>but about imagining that. The conversation, if I can visualize her,

0:24:39.119 --> 0:24:44.400
<v Speaker 2>when she called me, it was this, hey, so uh ah,

0:24:44.920 --> 0:24:49.119
<v Speaker 2>they're doing the show real you have seen Real Housewives

0:24:49.119 --> 0:24:52.639
<v Speaker 2>of Orange County. So yeah, so they're trying to do

0:24:52.680 --> 0:24:56.560
<v Speaker 2>something like that here. They want like me needed kim

0:24:57.400 --> 0:25:02.399
<v Speaker 2>uh at lista, so they I gotta have it, want

0:25:02.480 --> 0:25:04.840
<v Speaker 2>to have people around me. I was thinking you could

0:25:04.840 --> 0:25:07.960
<v Speaker 2>come on there with me and you know, maybe you

0:25:08.000 --> 0:25:13.600
<v Speaker 2>could do my hair something like that. I said, okay, I.

0:25:13.480 --> 0:25:17.639
<v Speaker 3>Said, okay, that was good if you not straight personally,

0:25:18.040 --> 0:25:19.680
<v Speaker 3>you note that he nailed it.

0:25:19.880 --> 0:25:23.600
<v Speaker 2>Continue So I'm like, okay, I didn't think nothing of it.

0:25:23.680 --> 0:25:25.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, okay, so let me do your hair on

0:25:25.320 --> 0:25:27.480
<v Speaker 2>the show. They're gonna record you. Were you her regular

0:25:27.520 --> 0:25:30.879
<v Speaker 2>hairstylist at that time, I was not. We were just

0:25:31.000 --> 0:25:34.840
<v Speaker 2>good friends. I Charia and I met. I used to

0:25:34.840 --> 0:25:36.840
<v Speaker 2>shop in her store that she had here called Bella

0:25:36.960 --> 0:25:42.160
<v Speaker 2>Azul and it was a really nice boutique, high end boutique,

0:25:42.280 --> 0:25:45.040
<v Speaker 2>and she sold she had the stuff in there. Honey.

0:25:45.160 --> 0:25:48.359
<v Speaker 2>She had the things, Chloe. I mean, she had the

0:25:48.400 --> 0:25:50.600
<v Speaker 2>stuff in there. And I would go in there and

0:25:50.640 --> 0:25:52.520
<v Speaker 2>I because you know, I had coins. I was dating

0:25:52.560 --> 0:25:54.679
<v Speaker 2>somebody that had coins back then. So I would go

0:25:54.680 --> 0:25:57.399
<v Speaker 2>in there. I would baby, I would drop bags. And

0:25:58.320 --> 0:26:01.840
<v Speaker 2>I didn't learn until later she thought that I was

0:26:02.760 --> 0:26:06.400
<v Speaker 2>a stylist, that I was shopping for somebody until one

0:26:06.440 --> 0:26:09.520
<v Speaker 2>day I asked for a dressing room and she and

0:26:09.560 --> 0:26:14.120
<v Speaker 2>she said, are you about drine his own? I said yeah,

0:26:14.600 --> 0:26:21.960
<v Speaker 2>she said, oh shit, okay. So that's that is what's

0:26:22.320 --> 0:26:27.760
<v Speaker 2>what sparked the magic and what became later a really good,

0:26:28.520 --> 0:26:31.920
<v Speaker 2>genuine friendship. And we started going out and hanging out.

0:26:32.000 --> 0:26:34.159
<v Speaker 2>We would go to Sweet Lounge all the time, and

0:26:34.240 --> 0:26:36.800
<v Speaker 2>Nini would call because she introduced me to Nini. This

0:26:36.840 --> 0:26:39.879
<v Speaker 2>is before Housewolives was even a thought. She would introduce

0:26:39.920 --> 0:26:43.840
<v Speaker 2>me to Nini. I would see Kim Zosiac and Niemas.

0:26:43.920 --> 0:26:46.320
<v Speaker 2>She would go on Nimas and shut the store completely down.

0:26:46.680 --> 0:26:49.720
<v Speaker 2>She was that, you know, Charai was that girl. The

0:26:49.760 --> 0:26:53.040
<v Speaker 2>girls were the girls, and it's no shape. The girls

0:26:53.119 --> 0:26:56.480
<v Speaker 2>were the girls. And you know that's how I I

0:26:56.560 --> 0:26:59.080
<v Speaker 2>That's how Shara and I became friends and then when

0:26:59.080 --> 0:27:02.040
<v Speaker 2>they reached out to her about the show, she asked

0:27:02.080 --> 0:27:04.480
<v Speaker 2>me to come on the show with her and do

0:27:04.560 --> 0:27:06.200
<v Speaker 2>her hair. I'm like, okay, yeah, cool, because she was like,

0:27:06.200 --> 0:27:09.720
<v Speaker 2>I need new hairstylus anyway, And so that's that's how

0:27:09.760 --> 0:27:13.439
<v Speaker 2>that happened. And you know, I didn't know what I

0:27:13.560 --> 0:27:15.680
<v Speaker 2>was doing. I don't think any of us knew what

0:27:15.720 --> 0:27:20.679
<v Speaker 2>we were doing, and unbeknownst to me, I became a

0:27:20.720 --> 0:27:26.960
<v Speaker 2>fan favorite. What I didn't know was the business side.

0:27:28.280 --> 0:27:32.520
<v Speaker 2>I didn't know the business. So what the first two

0:27:32.640 --> 0:27:35.000
<v Speaker 2>or maybe even three seasons, I don't know. I didn't

0:27:35.000 --> 0:27:36.560
<v Speaker 2>get paid a dime. I didn't know what the hell

0:27:36.640 --> 0:27:38.240
<v Speaker 2>was going. I didn't have an attorney, I didn't have

0:27:38.320 --> 0:27:42.320
<v Speaker 2>a manager. I didn't know. I didn't know anything, you know,

0:27:42.480 --> 0:27:46.760
<v Speaker 2>until I later discovered. I'm like, okay, wait a minute,

0:27:47.119 --> 0:27:49.480
<v Speaker 2>So this person on here they getting paid, and I

0:27:49.680 --> 0:27:52.640
<v Speaker 2>kind of heard around town what the people was getting paid.

0:27:52.680 --> 0:27:57.960
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, well, wait a minute, nah.

0:27:58.240 --> 0:28:03.840
<v Speaker 2>So anyway, that's how that happened. And yeah, now you

0:28:03.920 --> 0:28:07.639
<v Speaker 2>start getting paid season four, I think so, and then

0:28:07.680 --> 0:28:10.560
<v Speaker 2>that was pennies as well. Again, I didn't know any better.

0:28:10.720 --> 0:28:12.560
<v Speaker 2>Did you know how much we're getting paid season four.

0:28:13.160 --> 0:28:19.919
<v Speaker 2>Oh it m it was probably like an It was

0:28:19.920 --> 0:28:21.679
<v Speaker 2>probably like enough for a pair of shoes for me,

0:28:22.400 --> 0:28:25.160
<v Speaker 2>you know. And I think the reason why I didn't

0:28:25.200 --> 0:28:31.080
<v Speaker 2>trip at first is because I was an extremely successful

0:28:31.280 --> 0:28:35.959
<v Speaker 2>and well sought after hairstylist. So I mean, I was

0:28:36.040 --> 0:28:41.280
<v Speaker 2>clearing six figures back then as a hairstylist. So I'm

0:28:41.320 --> 0:28:43.360
<v Speaker 2>just like, okay, this is But then when it started

0:28:43.360 --> 0:28:47.640
<v Speaker 2>to affect my schedule at the salon and you know

0:28:47.680 --> 0:28:49.120
<v Speaker 2>all that kind of stuff, I'm like, I then, wait

0:28:49.120 --> 0:28:52.920
<v Speaker 2>a minute, now, now this is making most sense for Charae.

0:28:52.960 --> 0:28:55.360
<v Speaker 2>It's making a lot of sense for the Niinnes and

0:28:55.400 --> 0:28:58.320
<v Speaker 2>the the Shawn Snows and the Kim Zosi, but this

0:28:58.360 --> 0:29:01.120
<v Speaker 2>ain't really making that much sense for me, huh. You know.

0:29:03.040 --> 0:29:07.240
<v Speaker 2>So then that's when you know, I kind of sought

0:29:07.360 --> 0:29:10.680
<v Speaker 2>guidance and I got someone to kind of help me

0:29:10.840 --> 0:29:16.520
<v Speaker 2>with asking for some type of contractual agreement in exchange

0:29:16.600 --> 0:29:21.440
<v Speaker 2>for payment. And so I first just accepted what was

0:29:21.640 --> 0:29:23.600
<v Speaker 2>what was given to me, and then I later learned

0:29:23.640 --> 0:29:26.880
<v Speaker 2>that there were people also a part of the show

0:29:27.280 --> 0:29:30.440
<v Speaker 2>that were on my same level, what they classify as

0:29:30.520 --> 0:29:37.400
<v Speaker 2>B characters, that was getting significantly more than me. And

0:29:37.440 --> 0:29:42.440
<v Speaker 2>I did not understand that, but you know it it

0:29:42.440 --> 0:29:47.200
<v Speaker 2>it ended up turning out decent because because of the

0:29:47.200 --> 0:29:50.840
<v Speaker 2>fans and the people that appreciated me and liked me,

0:29:52.160 --> 0:29:56.040
<v Speaker 2>they you know, that led me to a spin off,

0:29:56.040 --> 0:29:59.760
<v Speaker 2>which was Fashion Queens, and and and Andy Cohen reached

0:29:59.760 --> 0:30:03.800
<v Speaker 2>out and offer me Fashion Queens, and so I felt

0:30:03.840 --> 0:30:07.160
<v Speaker 2>like I was somewhat vindicated there. I felt like I

0:30:07.200 --> 0:30:12.720
<v Speaker 2>was somewhat vindicated there, but it was still I still

0:30:12.760 --> 0:30:18.800
<v Speaker 2>developed a lot of I guess PTSD behind again because

0:30:18.920 --> 0:30:24.520
<v Speaker 2>I felt like because of who I was, and when

0:30:24.560 --> 0:30:31.640
<v Speaker 2>you take account to I guess society and where we

0:30:31.720 --> 0:30:34.040
<v Speaker 2>all fall on the human spectrum and you look at

0:30:34.040 --> 0:30:40.280
<v Speaker 2>a black queer, super effeminate gay man, you know, I

0:30:40.320 --> 0:30:44.320
<v Speaker 2>do think that there are a lot of questions as

0:30:44.320 --> 0:30:48.240
<v Speaker 2>to what the value is and why would we really

0:30:48.280 --> 0:30:50.600
<v Speaker 2>take care of this person and change this person's life

0:30:50.600 --> 0:30:54.800
<v Speaker 2>the way we're doing these straight people. That is what

0:30:54.880 --> 0:30:58.720
<v Speaker 2>I later discovered, And so that was very painful and

0:30:58.760 --> 0:31:01.480
<v Speaker 2>I ended up getting you know, I somewhat got out

0:31:01.480 --> 0:31:04.040
<v Speaker 2>of it, you know, mentally, but you know, it came

0:31:04.080 --> 0:31:06.520
<v Speaker 2>back a couple of times, and then you know, later

0:31:06.600 --> 0:31:09.680
<v Speaker 2>on with the show, when I decided to part ways

0:31:09.720 --> 0:31:14.320
<v Speaker 2>with the show. You know that that definitely played a

0:31:14.440 --> 0:31:19.960
<v Speaker 2>factor in it. And then a lot of the things

0:31:19.960 --> 0:31:21.920
<v Speaker 2>that I was seeing that I just did not like,

0:31:22.120 --> 0:31:24.560
<v Speaker 2>you know, in particular, and I will always mention this

0:31:25.680 --> 0:31:29.360
<v Speaker 2>when when Kenya's friend Brandon came on the show and

0:31:29.400 --> 0:31:34.000
<v Speaker 2>he had that big physical altercation. I did not appreciate

0:31:34.040 --> 0:31:37.280
<v Speaker 2>the way that that was handled. I did not appreciate it.

0:31:37.320 --> 0:31:39.920
<v Speaker 2>And one thing that I am absolutely in love with

0:31:40.040 --> 0:31:43.360
<v Speaker 2>and I am crazy about that is my community, the

0:31:43.400 --> 0:31:46.680
<v Speaker 2>black LGBTQ community, as well as the black community, the

0:31:46.720 --> 0:31:49.440
<v Speaker 2>black straight community. I did not like the way that

0:31:49.440 --> 0:31:52.000
<v Speaker 2>that was handled and I didn't appreciate it, and I

0:31:52.040 --> 0:31:56.640
<v Speaker 2>expressed that concern with the powers that be, and they

0:31:56.680 --> 0:32:01.480
<v Speaker 2>asked me several times to you know, come back, reconsider,

0:32:01.600 --> 0:32:05.440
<v Speaker 2>and I honestly I had mentally and spiritually moved on

0:32:05.760 --> 0:32:08.640
<v Speaker 2>and I just didn't see. I didn't see what other

0:32:08.680 --> 0:32:11.680
<v Speaker 2>purpose I could serve and what other purpose it could

0:32:11.720 --> 0:32:16.880
<v Speaker 2>serve me, and so and so I left. Yeah, and

0:32:16.920 --> 0:32:20.360
<v Speaker 2>I hated I hated it because I love you know,

0:32:20.520 --> 0:32:23.480
<v Speaker 2>Kenya's my sister, that's my big sister. I love Marlowe,

0:32:23.680 --> 0:32:26.720
<v Speaker 2>I love Charae is because of charade that people even

0:32:26.760 --> 0:32:30.600
<v Speaker 2>noticed me. She brought me on the show, but I

0:32:31.600 --> 0:32:35.320
<v Speaker 2>hated the direction that it was. It stopped being fun

0:32:35.360 --> 0:32:41.120
<v Speaker 2>and it stopped being funny for me, and I didn't appreciate.

0:32:40.520 --> 0:32:48.920
<v Speaker 1>That you made a comment publicly in the past when

0:32:49.240 --> 0:32:51.280
<v Speaker 1>some of the world, you know, you talk about the

0:32:51.320 --> 0:32:53.920
<v Speaker 1>branded thing. It's when Brandon Apollo got to the altercation.

0:32:54.640 --> 0:32:58.000
<v Speaker 1>Brandon had on risks of pajamas and there were these

0:32:58.800 --> 0:33:01.080
<v Speaker 1>tons of names being on his direction, you.

0:33:01.040 --> 0:33:05.560
<v Speaker 2>Know girl, you know your whatever, And a lot of.

0:33:05.480 --> 0:33:10.400
<v Speaker 1>The audience in the gay community felt like, wait, are

0:33:10.440 --> 0:33:14.040
<v Speaker 1>we witnessing some sort of.

0:33:15.480 --> 0:33:17.400
<v Speaker 2>Homophobia in this.

0:33:19.120 --> 0:33:23.520
<v Speaker 1>Are some of you women making fun of him and

0:33:23.640 --> 0:33:29.960
<v Speaker 1>his sexuality? And they just started questioning, like, y'all love

0:33:30.000 --> 0:33:32.800
<v Speaker 1>the gay boys, but are your allies for the gay boys?

0:33:32.840 --> 0:33:34.760
<v Speaker 1>It's a difference. A lot of people felt that way.

0:33:35.080 --> 0:33:37.400
<v Speaker 1>Did you feel that some of the cast members.

0:33:38.200 --> 0:33:38.880
<v Speaker 2>Were not.

0:33:40.320 --> 0:33:44.920
<v Speaker 1>The gay allies that they presented they presented themselves to be.

0:33:45.640 --> 0:33:49.120
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna here's the thing. A lot of people don't

0:33:49.160 --> 0:33:54.239
<v Speaker 2>really know what it means to be an ally. I

0:33:54.280 --> 0:33:57.160
<v Speaker 2>don't think some of the cast members knew that they

0:33:57.240 --> 0:34:00.880
<v Speaker 2>weren't an ally or that they were you know. I

0:34:00.920 --> 0:34:03.840
<v Speaker 2>won't say that they are homophobic. That I won't say.

0:34:03.880 --> 0:34:08.040
<v Speaker 2>What I do know is, you know, we will perish

0:34:08.040 --> 0:34:11.160
<v Speaker 2>for the lack of knowledge. Right. What I do know

0:34:11.400 --> 0:34:13.319
<v Speaker 2>is that if you're not taught, and if you're not

0:34:13.560 --> 0:34:17.439
<v Speaker 2>educated on what to say, what not to say, what's

0:34:17.480 --> 0:34:21.160
<v Speaker 2>offensive and what's not offensive, you will offend. And I

0:34:21.200 --> 0:34:26.120
<v Speaker 2>think that is what happened in that moment. The gripe

0:34:26.120 --> 0:34:30.680
<v Speaker 2>that I have is that there wasn't a moment after

0:34:30.760 --> 0:34:33.880
<v Speaker 2>that to give it space to be a teachable moment

0:34:34.680 --> 0:34:38.960
<v Speaker 2>for anybody. And that was my biggest gripe. That was

0:34:39.000 --> 0:34:42.400
<v Speaker 2>my biggest gripe. I think what I want people to

0:34:42.480 --> 0:34:46.520
<v Speaker 2>understand about when you say, when people loosely say that

0:34:46.560 --> 0:34:50.960
<v Speaker 2>they're allies, it's not enough to be an ally without

0:34:51.000 --> 0:34:58.120
<v Speaker 2>being an accomplice, you know, be an agent of change.

0:34:58.719 --> 0:35:02.120
<v Speaker 2>Stand in on my have when you're in rooms and

0:35:02.160 --> 0:35:06.680
<v Speaker 2>when you're in spaces where we are still very undervalued,

0:35:07.080 --> 0:35:10.880
<v Speaker 2>where your value have might have might have increased in

0:35:11.000 --> 0:35:16.359
<v Speaker 2>that space, but we're we are still standing here very undervalue.

0:35:16.680 --> 0:35:22.080
<v Speaker 2>So if your value has appreciated, standing the gap, standing

0:35:22.120 --> 0:35:25.320
<v Speaker 2>the gap, and I think that is what was missing.

0:35:26.440 --> 0:35:26.839
<v Speaker 2>Got it?

0:35:27.320 --> 0:35:32.760
<v Speaker 1>When you go back to the show and you're just there.

0:35:32.920 --> 0:35:36.279
<v Speaker 1>Sar recalled you. You're like, okay, I'll do what I

0:35:36.280 --> 0:35:39.279
<v Speaker 1>gotta do whatever, and the show became a huge hit.

0:35:40.920 --> 0:35:41.480
<v Speaker 2>Were you.

0:35:42.920 --> 0:35:52.080
<v Speaker 1>Surprised by the instant success of Ninni Leeks, who said

0:35:52.080 --> 0:35:56.279
<v Speaker 1>on my podcast she always when she first entered this

0:35:56.440 --> 0:36:01.239
<v Speaker 1>space amongst these women, she felt she was the underdog

0:36:02.239 --> 0:36:05.839
<v Speaker 1>based on the socio economic status of some of her

0:36:06.280 --> 0:36:13.200
<v Speaker 1>becast Were you surprised and were some of the other

0:36:13.239 --> 0:36:18.840
<v Speaker 1>girls to you surprised that the breakout star became Niini Leaks?

0:36:19.960 --> 0:36:25.360
<v Speaker 2>No, I wasn't surprised. First of all, the underdogs always win, okay.

0:36:25.920 --> 0:36:28.360
<v Speaker 2>And let me say this, I've said this a million

0:36:28.400 --> 0:36:34.040
<v Speaker 2>times to people. When you go back to season one,

0:36:34.200 --> 0:36:36.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if it was episode one or not.

0:36:37.960 --> 0:36:44.840
<v Speaker 2>What started reality TV or or or what changed the

0:36:44.880 --> 0:36:48.280
<v Speaker 2>trajectory of reality TV and what we know of today.

0:36:49.000 --> 0:36:54.400
<v Speaker 2>It started from when Charie left Nini's name off the

0:36:54.520 --> 0:37:00.640
<v Speaker 2>list episode one. Bottom line, that is what fueled the drama.

0:37:01.120 --> 0:37:05.080
<v Speaker 2>That is when that thing called, oh we gotta have drama,

0:37:05.200 --> 0:37:09.640
<v Speaker 2>we gotta have a storyline. That was the defining moment.

0:37:10.280 --> 0:37:13.080
<v Speaker 2>And so here is the note when you talk about

0:37:13.080 --> 0:37:18.360
<v Speaker 2>the underdogs always win. It's not a bad thing always

0:37:18.840 --> 0:37:23.160
<v Speaker 2>to not have your name on the list. Because she

0:37:23.320 --> 0:37:29.760
<v Speaker 2>became the first icon out of that franchise. Now, many

0:37:29.840 --> 0:37:37.440
<v Speaker 2>became iconic afterwards. But Lonethi Aliks and it is no shade,

0:37:37.760 --> 0:37:43.320
<v Speaker 2>is iconic. In the reality TV show World, she is iconic.

0:37:44.880 --> 0:37:51.120
<v Speaker 2>Chara is legendary, she is iconic. Kenya Moore is legendary, iconic,

0:37:51.160 --> 0:37:56.000
<v Speaker 2>She's been an icon. Marlow Hampton household name, Candy's already

0:37:56.000 --> 0:38:00.040
<v Speaker 2>been legendary. But when you talk about the one that

0:38:00.120 --> 0:38:05.920
<v Speaker 2>they didn't see coming, it's Ninny Leaks and it's no shade. Now,

0:38:06.000 --> 0:38:13.280
<v Speaker 2>she by charade will always be the way. Yes, Marlowehampton

0:38:13.400 --> 0:38:18.680
<v Speaker 2>will always be a that can slay. Kenya Moore is

0:38:18.800 --> 0:38:23.200
<v Speaker 2>Kenya Moore. You can't get her. You're not gonna get her.

0:38:23.640 --> 0:38:30.040
<v Speaker 2>Forget about it. It's never happened. It's never happened. Nine

0:38:30.239 --> 0:38:33.920
<v Speaker 2>leeks did what needed to be done. And then I'm

0:38:33.960 --> 0:38:42.080
<v Speaker 2>always mother And you know that because you know what

0:38:42.320 --> 0:38:45.680
<v Speaker 2>the girl you you know, you know I was the

0:38:45.719 --> 0:38:48.359
<v Speaker 2>one behind the scenes giving girls say this girl, say

0:38:48.360 --> 0:38:52.680
<v Speaker 2>that did do this child. We are just getting started.

0:38:52.760 --> 0:39:07.520
<v Speaker 1>This is reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King,

0:39:08.000 --> 0:39:09.800
<v Speaker 1>Let's get back into the show.

0:39:11.960 --> 0:39:13.200
<v Speaker 2>Let's have a real conversation.

0:39:13.480 --> 0:39:16.480
<v Speaker 1>I know for a fact that some of these reads

0:39:16.560 --> 0:39:19.239
<v Speaker 1>you gave the girls, you gave the girls to read

0:39:19.280 --> 0:39:20.239
<v Speaker 1>to saying her interviews.

0:39:22.360 --> 0:39:26.120
<v Speaker 2>I know for a fact you coached some of these girls.

0:39:27.440 --> 0:39:28.480
<v Speaker 2>Come here, go ahead, and.

0:39:30.640 --> 0:39:32.400
<v Speaker 1>I remember, I'm not gonna say to day unless you

0:39:32.440 --> 0:39:38.239
<v Speaker 1>want to. Okay, let's see averrale bras were in the

0:39:38.280 --> 0:39:42.319
<v Speaker 1>same person. I remember being on set one day and

0:39:43.080 --> 0:39:47.560
<v Speaker 1>it was two housewives in the same room and you

0:39:47.640 --> 0:39:54.640
<v Speaker 1>looked at one and said, and she follows suit read

0:39:55.040 --> 0:39:58.480
<v Speaker 1>and we had a good seed. I you were the

0:39:58.520 --> 0:40:00.960
<v Speaker 1>one this this is public and she and she and

0:40:01.000 --> 0:40:04.640
<v Speaker 1>she admitted this one. You're the one who told Kenya

0:40:04.760 --> 0:40:08.040
<v Speaker 1>to get a problem. You taught that the fan that

0:40:08.160 --> 0:40:11.959
<v Speaker 1>Kenya has season five reunion. Not only did you tell

0:40:12.000 --> 0:40:15.160
<v Speaker 1>her to do that, to to do the fan, you

0:40:15.320 --> 0:40:18.080
<v Speaker 1>taught her how to pop it, pop it.

0:40:19.040 --> 0:40:21.640
<v Speaker 2>You taught her what was it like?

0:40:21.719 --> 0:40:23.600
<v Speaker 1>Did you have like less than you say, come over

0:40:23.880 --> 0:40:26.080
<v Speaker 1>and you like did you Was it really a teaching

0:40:26.239 --> 0:40:27.960
<v Speaker 1>moment with the fan?

0:40:31.680 --> 0:40:38.240
<v Speaker 2>You know? I I to think about the key ingredient

0:40:38.440 --> 0:40:42.280
<v Speaker 2>what we now know in all reality TV. You can't

0:40:42.280 --> 0:40:48.480
<v Speaker 2>have good reality TV without having shade, right and from

0:40:48.560 --> 0:40:53.719
<v Speaker 2>my world, when you talk about ballroom, when you talk

0:40:53.800 --> 0:41:03.319
<v Speaker 2>about the black LGBTQ community, we gave the recipe, We

0:41:03.440 --> 0:41:10.920
<v Speaker 2>created the recipe. We knew what popping a fan on

0:41:11.040 --> 0:41:17.040
<v Speaker 2>somebody meant, you know. We knew how to read without

0:41:17.280 --> 0:41:19.360
<v Speaker 2>using a lot of words. We knew how to read

0:41:19.440 --> 0:41:23.560
<v Speaker 2>and shade without saying a word. You know. And to

0:41:23.680 --> 0:41:27.080
<v Speaker 2>your point, when it's your girlfriend, when it is your sister,

0:41:28.400 --> 0:41:32.239
<v Speaker 2>you want them to be the best. And when you

0:41:32.280 --> 0:41:36.680
<v Speaker 2>talk about being competitive, because that's what it is, it's

0:41:36.680 --> 0:41:38.439
<v Speaker 2>all the compet It's a big competition on them shows.

0:41:38.440 --> 0:41:40.920
<v Speaker 2>It's a big competition. You want your girl and wind,

0:41:41.920 --> 0:41:45.399
<v Speaker 2>you want your best to win, honey, And so you

0:41:45.440 --> 0:41:48.520
<v Speaker 2>give them the tools, you give them the knowledge, and

0:41:48.560 --> 0:41:50.960
<v Speaker 2>you tell them to go. Now. I don't do that

0:41:51.080 --> 0:41:56.600
<v Speaker 2>anymore because it backfired. When I look at I said,

0:41:56.600 --> 0:42:01.920
<v Speaker 2>well that wait a minute. Back here, I'm telling you

0:42:01.960 --> 0:42:05.600
<v Speaker 2>do this and them holes want to give me five

0:42:05.640 --> 0:42:13.560
<v Speaker 2>dollars and y'all getting what? Oh? No, bye, No, ma'am.

0:42:13.800 --> 0:42:17.319
<v Speaker 1>Did you feel like sometimes these girls should have given

0:42:17.400 --> 0:42:19.000
<v Speaker 1>you something extra?

0:42:20.000 --> 0:42:22.160
<v Speaker 2>No, it's not that. No, I'm not going to put

0:42:22.160 --> 0:42:24.960
<v Speaker 2>that on them. Okay, I'm not gonna put that on them. No, no, no,

0:42:25.040 --> 0:42:28.000
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't do that, no mm hmm.

0:42:29.120 --> 0:42:32.160
<v Speaker 1>But for people to know that you were an engine

0:42:32.200 --> 0:42:35.080
<v Speaker 1>because one they always say to people. And this is

0:42:35.160 --> 0:42:37.400
<v Speaker 1>just me being honest. When you look at the biggest

0:42:37.440 --> 0:42:40.800
<v Speaker 1>divas in the world, whether a singer, an actress, or

0:42:40.880 --> 0:42:45.000
<v Speaker 1>reality star, and this is no shade, and you stop

0:42:45.040 --> 0:42:48.799
<v Speaker 1>me if I'm wrong. Oftentimes there is a gay man

0:42:50.200 --> 0:42:57.520
<v Speaker 1>it is who is ushering them to greatness with the

0:42:57.560 --> 0:43:02.440
<v Speaker 1>confidence and the tool that they need in order to

0:43:02.480 --> 0:43:04.600
<v Speaker 1>become the stars that they are.

0:43:05.560 --> 0:43:12.800
<v Speaker 2>It's a very reciprocated relationship, right when you talk about

0:43:12.800 --> 0:43:15.120
<v Speaker 2>the divas of the world, when you talk about the

0:43:15.239 --> 0:43:18.719
<v Speaker 2>legendary girls, you know, whether the world knows them or

0:43:18.719 --> 0:43:23.160
<v Speaker 2>if they're just legendary to you, you give them your

0:43:23.280 --> 0:43:29.600
<v Speaker 2>all because going back to what I said, when you

0:43:29.640 --> 0:43:33.520
<v Speaker 2>talk about black women, they were some of our first allies.

0:43:34.320 --> 0:43:36.400
<v Speaker 2>They were some of the first ones to say we

0:43:36.560 --> 0:43:40.520
<v Speaker 2>see you. And so it's a give and it's a take.

0:43:41.560 --> 0:43:45.960
<v Speaker 2>It's a reciprocated relationship. And so I think we innately

0:43:46.120 --> 0:43:48.960
<v Speaker 2>want to see each other win and want to see

0:43:49.000 --> 0:43:51.920
<v Speaker 2>each other be the best versions of ourselves that we

0:43:51.960 --> 0:43:58.480
<v Speaker 2>can be. When I decided to leave the show, Kenya

0:43:59.320 --> 0:44:02.240
<v Speaker 2>was very support it. She didn't want me to, of course,

0:44:02.560 --> 0:44:06.799
<v Speaker 2>but she was very supportive and she understood that is

0:44:06.880 --> 0:44:10.319
<v Speaker 2>what it means to me to say I see you,

0:44:10.440 --> 0:44:14.719
<v Speaker 2>I feel you, and I understand. It wasn't much she

0:44:14.800 --> 0:44:18.279
<v Speaker 2>could do about it. She not running network, she's not

0:44:18.360 --> 0:44:20.600
<v Speaker 2>over the budget or anything like that. You understand what

0:44:20.600 --> 0:44:25.360
<v Speaker 2>I'm saying. But just the fact that she understood that

0:44:25.560 --> 0:44:30.719
<v Speaker 2>meant a lot to me. And she wasn't selfish in saying, oh, no,

0:44:30.800 --> 0:44:32.440
<v Speaker 2>I need you to stay because I need this or

0:44:32.440 --> 0:44:34.400
<v Speaker 2>I need no. She supported me.

0:44:36.160 --> 0:44:42.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you referred Marlon Hampton to the show, Yes, why?

0:44:42.800 --> 0:44:46.320
<v Speaker 2>But she deserved to be on there. During that time

0:44:46.480 --> 0:44:50.920
<v Speaker 2>in Atlanta, I knew what I knew what you all

0:44:51.000 --> 0:44:55.360
<v Speaker 2>wanted esthetically, I knew what you all wanted in terms

0:44:55.440 --> 0:45:00.160
<v Speaker 2>of all the material stuff, what you all wanted for

0:45:00.200 --> 0:45:06.120
<v Speaker 2>a housewife. And it's no shade. At that time, Marlowe

0:45:06.120 --> 0:45:10.319
<v Speaker 2>would run circles around all all the girls, and she

0:45:10.480 --> 0:45:17.399
<v Speaker 2>deserved to be on there. What I hate is that

0:45:17.480 --> 0:45:25.800
<v Speaker 2>Marlowe had such a very deep story in her personal

0:45:25.880 --> 0:45:28.840
<v Speaker 2>life and her personal journey that I feel like that

0:45:29.040 --> 0:45:35.120
<v Speaker 2>was never shown or highlighted in its best light because

0:45:35.120 --> 0:45:39.920
<v Speaker 2>there was a lot too, and a lot behind the labels.

0:45:41.239 --> 0:45:44.480
<v Speaker 2>It was a lot behind the cars. It was a

0:45:44.520 --> 0:45:48.560
<v Speaker 2>lot behind that that I know personally that I feel

0:45:48.600 --> 0:45:54.120
<v Speaker 2>like the viewers didn't get a chance to see. Now

0:45:54.160 --> 0:45:56.799
<v Speaker 2>the drama between the girls, I understand all of that.

0:45:56.880 --> 0:46:00.279
<v Speaker 2>You know, they they all slay each other, they are

0:46:00.320 --> 0:46:02.719
<v Speaker 2>and I never got in between any of that. I

0:46:02.800 --> 0:46:04.880
<v Speaker 2>would if I if I tell one or I'm not

0:46:04.920 --> 0:46:07.560
<v Speaker 2>having this conversation about Kenya or Keny, I'm not having

0:46:07.560 --> 0:46:10.080
<v Speaker 2>this conversation about Marlowe, or I'm not having this conversation

0:46:10.160 --> 0:46:12.759
<v Speaker 2>by charade with you and vice versa, I wouldn't do it.

0:46:12.840 --> 0:46:15.120
<v Speaker 2>That is what That is where I drew the line.

0:46:16.239 --> 0:46:23.080
<v Speaker 2>But Marlowe deserved to be there, and I do feel

0:46:23.120 --> 0:46:27.160
<v Speaker 2>like she added a lot to the show when she

0:46:27.320 --> 0:46:31.720
<v Speaker 2>came on. She hard headed as hell because she wouldn't

0:46:31.800 --> 0:46:34.000
<v Speaker 2>let me, She would not let me mentor her the

0:46:34.000 --> 0:46:37.279
<v Speaker 2>way that I like to, so she wouldn't have run

0:46:37.320 --> 0:46:40.799
<v Speaker 2>at all them problems on there. But nevertheless, I thought

0:46:40.880 --> 0:46:45.479
<v Speaker 2>she was a great addition at in the beginning. Were

0:46:45.520 --> 0:46:53.880
<v Speaker 2>you upset when she dropped the f bom. I was surprised.

0:46:53.920 --> 0:46:55.799
<v Speaker 2>So let me say that was a that was a

0:46:55.840 --> 0:47:00.759
<v Speaker 2>part of a Marlowe that was new to me. That

0:47:00.920 --> 0:47:03.200
<v Speaker 2>was a part that I had never heard her her

0:47:03.320 --> 0:47:07.960
<v Speaker 2>say that. But what I appreciated was that she although

0:47:08.000 --> 0:47:10.960
<v Speaker 2>she lied about it at first, that which was a

0:47:11.040 --> 0:47:14.759
<v Speaker 2>key And I honestly think the only reason why she

0:47:14.840 --> 0:47:18.600
<v Speaker 2>lied about it at first was to not give Charay

0:47:18.719 --> 0:47:21.520
<v Speaker 2>what she wanted. I don't think I had anything to

0:47:21.560 --> 0:47:23.319
<v Speaker 2>do with me. I don't think I had anything to

0:47:23.320 --> 0:47:25.400
<v Speaker 2>do with the culture, with the black gay culture. I

0:47:25.400 --> 0:47:29.520
<v Speaker 2>don't think that. But what I appreciated is that she

0:47:31.040 --> 0:47:36.120
<v Speaker 2>set still and listened to the lesson to be learned

0:47:36.280 --> 0:47:41.880
<v Speaker 2>from it, and she apologized, and that's all it takes.

0:47:42.480 --> 0:47:46.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't expect you to know, Ane, I don't expect

0:47:46.040 --> 0:47:50.560
<v Speaker 2>everybody to be politically correct or to know what's appropriation

0:47:50.800 --> 0:47:54.000
<v Speaker 2>or what's appropriated, or what you should and should not know.

0:47:54.040 --> 0:47:57.480
<v Speaker 2>Because we're all this ship comes up new every month,

0:47:57.920 --> 0:47:59.920
<v Speaker 2>every year, is something new that you can and can

0:48:00.080 --> 0:48:04.680
<v Speaker 2>not say, so we will forever evolve when it comes

0:48:04.719 --> 0:48:12.799
<v Speaker 2>to being culturally and socially sensitive and accurate. So I

0:48:12.840 --> 0:48:18.640
<v Speaker 2>appreciate when someone is willing to say Okay, Now where

0:48:18.640 --> 0:48:21.080
<v Speaker 2>did I go wrong? Because this is all I knew

0:48:21.120 --> 0:48:22.960
<v Speaker 2>my whole life, so I'd never been told that that

0:48:23.120 --> 0:48:26.759
<v Speaker 2>was wrong. So tell me. And when you do that

0:48:26.840 --> 0:48:31.000
<v Speaker 2>to me, that shows contrition, That shows that you know

0:48:31.600 --> 0:48:34.920
<v Speaker 2>you are genuinely wanting to learn and genuinely wanting to

0:48:34.960 --> 0:48:37.320
<v Speaker 2>build a stronger bridge.

0:48:38.160 --> 0:48:45.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, season four, you were emerging as a top B

0:48:45.920 --> 0:48:50.920
<v Speaker 1>character on that on that season, so much so that

0:48:51.080 --> 0:48:56.200
<v Speaker 1>Candy wrote a song called Closet Freak that to this day,

0:48:56.719 --> 0:48:57.440
<v Speaker 1>I play it.

0:48:58.280 --> 0:48:59.560
<v Speaker 2>I Closet Freak.

0:48:59.800 --> 0:49:06.239
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's an amazing song and your vocals, I

0:49:06.280 --> 0:49:10.800
<v Speaker 1>mean I had no idea you can sing like that.

0:49:11.239 --> 0:49:14.520
<v Speaker 1>It was the range for me, you know, like it

0:49:14.560 --> 0:49:16.879
<v Speaker 1>was it was the The song became.

0:49:16.680 --> 0:49:18.680
<v Speaker 2>Bigger and bigger and bigger.

0:49:19.280 --> 0:49:24.959
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and we all loved it, but we also saw

0:49:25.120 --> 0:49:30.319
<v Speaker 1>that it was never released commercially right, And there were

0:49:30.880 --> 0:49:34.719
<v Speaker 1>conversations about, you know, you didn't feel the deal was

0:49:34.840 --> 0:49:38.840
<v Speaker 1>right that Candy was presenting to you. What happened to

0:49:38.920 --> 0:49:42.000
<v Speaker 1>the point where you had this amazing song, it was

0:49:42.080 --> 0:49:43.279
<v Speaker 1>featured on the show.

0:49:45.360 --> 0:49:49.920
<v Speaker 2>And you two never worked again. It was just it

0:49:49.960 --> 0:49:54.799
<v Speaker 2>was it was business. I didn't I didn't like the deal.

0:49:55.280 --> 0:49:59.880
<v Speaker 2>It was a three sixty deal that she offered Ken

0:50:00.160 --> 0:50:04.800
<v Speaker 2>offered with her entertainment company, Candy Code Entertainment. I didn't

0:50:04.880 --> 0:50:06.800
<v Speaker 2>like it because when I when I read up and

0:50:06.880 --> 0:50:10.960
<v Speaker 2>learned about three sixty deals. Three sixty deals are usually

0:50:11.000 --> 0:50:17.400
<v Speaker 2>given to artists that are created, in my opinion, that

0:50:17.440 --> 0:50:23.000
<v Speaker 2>are created, meaning you aid and establish their image, their name,

0:50:23.400 --> 0:50:28.160
<v Speaker 2>their sound, all of that. Right, So yes, you give,

0:50:29.400 --> 0:50:33.280
<v Speaker 2>you give the label or whatever, a percentage of every

0:50:33.360 --> 0:50:36.960
<v Speaker 2>single thing that you have. Now, for me, I felt

0:50:37.000 --> 0:50:42.040
<v Speaker 2>like I was already becoming somewhat of a household name.

0:50:42.160 --> 0:50:45.400
<v Speaker 2>People you know, knew me, they knew who Miss Lawrence was.

0:50:46.200 --> 0:50:50.839
<v Speaker 2>The image was already established, the sound was already kind

0:50:50.840 --> 0:50:53.759
<v Speaker 2>of established, and so I I didn't feel like it

0:50:53.840 --> 0:50:59.120
<v Speaker 2>was worth entering into a three sixty deal. And so

0:50:59.560 --> 0:51:02.800
<v Speaker 2>for that, it just didn't work out. And it's unfortunate

0:51:02.840 --> 0:51:06.080
<v Speaker 2>because it was unfortunate because it was a great song

0:51:06.160 --> 0:51:09.560
<v Speaker 2>and people's to this day still talk about Closet Free.

0:51:10.200 --> 0:51:16.400
<v Speaker 2>Candy is immensely talented, you know, that's her world that

0:51:16.520 --> 0:51:19.640
<v Speaker 2>she knows what to do in it. So it was

0:51:19.719 --> 0:51:24.200
<v Speaker 2>just I wasn't willing to be contractually tied down in

0:51:24.320 --> 0:51:28.840
<v Speaker 2>that way to Candy coated entertainment. As you could probably see,

0:51:29.080 --> 0:51:34.480
<v Speaker 2>I've not missed out on much. You're doing good, Yeah, no,

0:51:34.719 --> 0:51:35.040
<v Speaker 2>you are.

0:51:35.440 --> 0:51:38.840
<v Speaker 1>And what was interesting is even when you left Housewives,

0:51:39.160 --> 0:51:43.560
<v Speaker 1>it was around a time where you Derrek Jy and

0:51:43.840 --> 0:51:50.000
<v Speaker 1>Mother of our Mother, Debby Smith, had this amazing halfower.

0:51:51.000 --> 0:51:53.160
<v Speaker 1>I like to call it a comedy show that was

0:51:53.280 --> 0:51:57.600
<v Speaker 1>that half fashion conversation because you three had such great chemistry.

0:51:57.680 --> 0:52:02.279
<v Speaker 1>It was called Fashion Queen, Yes right, and it was

0:52:02.640 --> 0:52:03.560
<v Speaker 1>a ratings hit.

0:52:04.719 --> 0:52:07.839
<v Speaker 2>The ratings were good through the roof. The show was.

0:52:07.800 --> 0:52:14.920
<v Speaker 1>Good and everything appeared to be going in the right direction.

0:52:15.880 --> 0:52:19.600
<v Speaker 2>But then it got canceled out the blue. Why did

0:52:19.640 --> 0:52:22.280
<v Speaker 2>Fashion Queens get canceled? And the ratings were so solid,

0:52:22.480 --> 0:52:27.640
<v Speaker 2>We've never been given a real explanation as to why.

0:52:28.400 --> 0:52:31.560
<v Speaker 2>And here's a note to all of our Fashion Queens

0:52:31.920 --> 0:52:35.400
<v Speaker 2>fans and supporters. You know, everybody said, oh Andy Cohen,

0:52:35.560 --> 0:52:38.200
<v Speaker 2>I was not Andy Cohen. I think it was like

0:52:38.320 --> 0:52:43.120
<v Speaker 2>beyond Bravo and beyond obviously Andy Cohen. I think it was.

0:52:43.360 --> 0:52:45.319
<v Speaker 2>You know, that was during the time when we lost

0:52:45.480 --> 0:52:49.600
<v Speaker 2>Joan Rivers the Icon and you know her show was

0:52:49.960 --> 0:52:57.560
<v Speaker 2>Fashion Police, and you know our shows were similar in

0:52:57.640 --> 0:53:03.759
<v Speaker 2>terms of content, and I I don't know this for sure,

0:53:03.840 --> 0:53:06.760
<v Speaker 2>but I can't help but think that it has something

0:53:06.800 --> 0:53:10.759
<v Speaker 2>to do with needing our audience, because you know, they

0:53:10.920 --> 0:53:15.160
<v Speaker 2>Fashion Police had lost John Rivers and which was a

0:53:15.280 --> 0:53:20.279
<v Speaker 2>huge chunk of the Fashion Police and I and this

0:53:20.400 --> 0:53:23.120
<v Speaker 2>is just me speculating. I'm must because it just didn't

0:53:23.120 --> 0:53:25.440
<v Speaker 2>make sense to any of us. I think they might

0:53:25.480 --> 0:53:33.640
<v Speaker 2>have needed our audience. Yeah, so I'm not saying that

0:53:33.760 --> 0:53:36.800
<v Speaker 2>is what happened, but that is just what I felt

0:53:37.480 --> 0:53:40.880
<v Speaker 2>of what we felt, because it didn't add up. Fashion

0:53:40.920 --> 0:53:44.040
<v Speaker 2>Queens was a number one show coming on at eleven

0:53:44.160 --> 0:53:47.480
<v Speaker 2>thirty PM on a Sunday night, which is unheard of

0:53:47.600 --> 0:53:51.480
<v Speaker 2>to do the numbers that we did. So yeah, it

0:53:51.520 --> 0:53:54.080
<v Speaker 2>was it was a little engine that could it and

0:53:54.120 --> 0:53:58.640
<v Speaker 2>it did and it did. But you know, I saw

0:53:58.680 --> 0:54:01.120
<v Speaker 2>a water underbridge. Everything thing is as it should be.

0:54:02.920 --> 0:54:06.200
<v Speaker 2>Bevy was able to go on and do incredible stuff

0:54:06.640 --> 0:54:10.799
<v Speaker 2>work on multiple shows. She's also now an actress. You know,

0:54:11.239 --> 0:54:14.840
<v Speaker 2>I became an actor thanks to Lee Daniels, who was

0:54:14.960 --> 0:54:18.480
<v Speaker 2>a fan of Fashion Queens, who noticed me from Fashion Queens.

0:54:18.960 --> 0:54:21.760
<v Speaker 2>And you know, Derek Jay is doing his thing making

0:54:21.880 --> 0:54:26.320
<v Speaker 2>all the money in the world, you know, working behind

0:54:26.320 --> 0:54:29.239
<v Speaker 2>the scenes on shows. So I think everything is as

0:54:29.239 --> 0:54:32.359
<v Speaker 2>it should be, and everything served its purpose while we

0:54:32.440 --> 0:54:35.239
<v Speaker 2>miss it. While that was the very first show that

0:54:35.320 --> 0:54:39.440
<v Speaker 2>I ever was a part of where the production company

0:54:39.440 --> 0:54:42.440
<v Speaker 2>shouts out to embassy row. That showed me how I

0:54:42.480 --> 0:54:48.120
<v Speaker 2>should be treated as talent. That really made me feel appreciated.

0:54:48.920 --> 0:54:51.520
<v Speaker 2>You know, that is an that is an experience that

0:54:51.600 --> 0:54:55.600
<v Speaker 2>will forever be attached to my heart and unforgettable.

0:54:57.400 --> 0:55:00.440
<v Speaker 1>When you look at the Real Housewives of Atlanta today,

0:55:01.920 --> 0:55:03.840
<v Speaker 1>what do you think of the show now in terms

0:55:03.840 --> 0:55:05.080
<v Speaker 1>of what has become.

0:55:08.160 --> 0:55:20.799
<v Speaker 2>I've watched, I watched last season. I enjoyed it. I'm sorry,

0:55:21.400 --> 0:55:28.040
<v Speaker 2>I enjoyed last season. I'm gonna be honest. I think

0:55:29.120 --> 0:55:30.920
<v Speaker 2>a lot of the girls get in a lot of

0:55:30.960 --> 0:55:34.879
<v Speaker 2>the girl's way. I think if everybody can go back

0:55:34.920 --> 0:55:40.680
<v Speaker 2>to the original formula and the original mindset, I think

0:55:40.719 --> 0:55:46.359
<v Speaker 2>if everybody will stop trying to stifle other people's paychecks

0:55:46.480 --> 0:55:51.839
<v Speaker 2>and other people's jobs, I think you would probably have

0:55:51.960 --> 0:55:55.080
<v Speaker 2>the exact same cast that you had from the beginning,

0:55:55.520 --> 0:56:01.279
<v Speaker 2>or from that golden era of housewives. You know, I

0:56:01.320 --> 0:56:07.359
<v Speaker 2>think everybody in their own right became stars, and I

0:56:07.400 --> 0:56:11.040
<v Speaker 2>don't know who, I don't know what organization. I don't

0:56:11.080 --> 0:56:16.719
<v Speaker 2>know what entity, but somewhere, somehow, the powers that be

0:56:17.480 --> 0:56:19.839
<v Speaker 2>gave a lot of the girls this false sense of

0:56:20.040 --> 0:56:25.960
<v Speaker 2>entitlement that some of them could dictate who gets to

0:56:26.000 --> 0:56:29.680
<v Speaker 2>be what and do what. And I think that's where

0:56:29.680 --> 0:56:33.799
<v Speaker 2>it feels short. I think that's where it feels short.

0:56:34.040 --> 0:56:41.719
<v Speaker 2>I think people became extremely celebrity driven and so celebrated

0:56:41.760 --> 0:56:45.839
<v Speaker 2>by the fans that they no longer wanted to be

0:56:45.960 --> 0:56:50.920
<v Speaker 2>seen as the person that could be read. That they

0:56:51.000 --> 0:56:54.920
<v Speaker 2>no longer wanted to be seen as the person that

0:56:55.040 --> 0:56:59.719
<v Speaker 2>could possibly get trampled on, you know, And so they

0:57:00.600 --> 0:57:05.399
<v Speaker 2>have this urgency to stand up and vindicate themselves, but

0:57:05.480 --> 0:57:12.560
<v Speaker 2>not on film, to the networks, to get whatever person

0:57:12.640 --> 0:57:19.640
<v Speaker 2>did whatever taken out. And it's all derived from ego.

0:57:21.720 --> 0:57:26.000
<v Speaker 2>And it's clear as day when I watched the show now,

0:57:26.720 --> 0:57:35.400
<v Speaker 2>while I still enjoyed it last season, yeah, I wish

0:57:35.440 --> 0:57:40.080
<v Speaker 2>everyone could have a moment and get recentered and go

0:57:40.200 --> 0:57:48.520
<v Speaker 2>make your fucking money. Go make your coin. It's that simple.

0:57:49.520 --> 0:57:53.040
<v Speaker 2>I've heard from other people in other reality show spaces

0:57:53.640 --> 0:57:57.440
<v Speaker 2>how much money they make and I'm like what, And

0:57:57.600 --> 0:58:00.200
<v Speaker 2>I know what the girls was making on House, and

0:58:00.240 --> 0:58:04.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, can y'all talking about because this person said,

0:58:05.760 --> 0:58:09.720
<v Speaker 2>if you don't shut up and get your coin, get

0:58:09.760 --> 0:58:16.440
<v Speaker 2>your coin. Some people on them other shows they would

0:58:16.640 --> 0:58:20.880
<v Speaker 2>they would love to be in the in those seats

0:58:22.160 --> 0:58:24.080
<v Speaker 2>and to just let it go like that. I'm like,

0:58:24.200 --> 0:58:29.520
<v Speaker 2>oh my god, are you serious. And they're all stronger

0:58:29.640 --> 0:58:33.600
<v Speaker 2>with each other. But the problem I think came in

0:58:33.680 --> 0:58:37.960
<v Speaker 2>when they thought they were becoming weaker because one seemed

0:58:37.960 --> 0:58:44.120
<v Speaker 2>to be stronger. That's all a false perception. They were

0:58:44.160 --> 0:58:50.800
<v Speaker 2>all very strong and super strong together. What happened to

0:58:51.920 --> 0:58:52.720
<v Speaker 2>what you just said?

0:58:52.800 --> 0:58:57.920
<v Speaker 1>Season one, episode one, Charae admitted on my podcast she

0:58:58.120 --> 0:59:02.400
<v Speaker 1>purposefully left Nini's off the list. She said, they wanted

0:59:02.440 --> 0:59:04.480
<v Speaker 1>her to be at my house. I said, I know

0:59:04.520 --> 0:59:07.240
<v Speaker 1>what y'all producers want. That's my house and it's gonna happen.

0:59:07.600 --> 0:59:11.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to purposefully leave her name off the list.

0:59:12.440 --> 0:59:13.440
<v Speaker 2>She did it on purpose.

0:59:14.840 --> 0:59:18.440
<v Speaker 1>Nini Leags had no idea, gave a great scene that

0:59:18.640 --> 0:59:22.280
<v Speaker 1>entire season one was Charai versus Meedi because they both

0:59:22.400 --> 0:59:25.600
<v Speaker 1>lived in the reality of this is my life. I'm

0:59:25.600 --> 0:59:28.480
<v Speaker 1>gonna do that and it made for great television and

0:59:28.520 --> 0:59:31.800
<v Speaker 1>the rest is history. So I cannot agree with you more.

0:59:32.280 --> 0:59:35.080
<v Speaker 1>There was a time, though Lawrence, where you were approached

0:59:35.600 --> 0:59:39.040
<v Speaker 1>to be a housewife of Atlanta, you were approached to

0:59:39.080 --> 0:59:39.720
<v Speaker 1>have a peach.

0:59:40.480 --> 0:59:46.120
<v Speaker 2>What happened, I do not know. I went through a

0:59:46.200 --> 0:59:52.840
<v Speaker 2>couple of interviews. Maybe we never got around to like filming,

0:59:52.880 --> 1:00:00.919
<v Speaker 2>but I remember some of the producers or scouts whatever

1:00:01.000 --> 1:00:04.560
<v Speaker 2>came looked at my place, my condo. They already knew

1:00:04.560 --> 1:00:09.760
<v Speaker 2>I was successful. Now. What I was told when it

1:00:09.800 --> 1:00:14.360
<v Speaker 2>got back to the higher higher ups was that they

1:00:14.400 --> 1:00:18.320
<v Speaker 2>were not ready to go in that direction. That was

1:00:18.360 --> 1:00:21.400
<v Speaker 2>what I was told. And I think that was one

1:00:21.440 --> 1:00:23.800
<v Speaker 2>of the things that they tried, because I think they

1:00:23.800 --> 1:00:26.360
<v Speaker 2>could kind of sense that I was kind of drifting away,

1:00:27.400 --> 1:00:32.480
<v Speaker 2>and I really, I really, I can't think of who

1:00:32.560 --> 1:00:35.680
<v Speaker 2>it was that saw fit for me to be like

1:00:35.760 --> 1:00:39.160
<v Speaker 2>the first openly gay individual to have to be a

1:00:39.160 --> 1:00:44.360
<v Speaker 2>peace holder. But they advocated hard, and when it got

1:00:44.400 --> 1:00:48.440
<v Speaker 2>to the higher ups, I was told that they were

1:00:48.440 --> 1:00:51.560
<v Speaker 2>told they weren't really ready to go in that direction

1:00:51.720 --> 1:00:54.840
<v Speaker 2>just yet. Yeah, And that was another thing that made

1:00:54.880 --> 1:00:58.160
<v Speaker 2>me be like, Okay, there's really nothing else else here

1:00:58.240 --> 1:01:01.520
<v Speaker 2>for me to do. You ain't ever giving me no peach.

1:01:02.160 --> 1:01:06.280
<v Speaker 2>I ain't getting there. One of them multimillion dollar pay checks.

1:01:06.360 --> 1:01:10.800
<v Speaker 2>You know, did y'all give the girls? Not pumping y'all teas,

1:01:10.880 --> 1:01:13.640
<v Speaker 2>But it is what it is. I know you ain't

1:01:13.640 --> 1:01:15.680
<v Speaker 2>want to go give me that shit. So I'm like, well, honey,

1:01:15.960 --> 1:01:17.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna take these five dollars y'all and gave me

1:01:18.040 --> 1:01:19.880
<v Speaker 2>thus far, and I'm gonna go in and make it

1:01:19.920 --> 1:01:24.640
<v Speaker 2>do what it do, you know. And so yeah, when you.

1:01:24.640 --> 1:01:30.400
<v Speaker 1>Left the show and then Fashion Queens got canceled, did

1:01:30.440 --> 1:01:32.840
<v Speaker 1>you go through a dark period in your life?

1:01:32.960 --> 1:01:36.200
<v Speaker 2>I did not even have time. As soon as Fashion

1:01:36.280 --> 1:01:42.520
<v Speaker 2>Queens was canceled, I was already in the Lee Daniels network.

1:01:43.560 --> 1:01:49.560
<v Speaker 2>So right after Fashion Queens that last the third season,

1:01:50.600 --> 1:01:54.960
<v Speaker 2>I got invited to come on to Empire, and I

1:01:54.960 --> 1:01:58.280
<v Speaker 2>shot a couple of episodes of Empire. And right after Empire,

1:01:59.000 --> 1:02:01.880
<v Speaker 2>Lee was in the process of developing and creating the

1:02:01.880 --> 1:02:05.680
<v Speaker 2>show Star that became also a hit on Fox, and

1:02:05.800 --> 1:02:10.440
<v Speaker 2>this time I was a series regular. He created this character,

1:02:10.880 --> 1:02:15.160
<v Speaker 2>Miss Bruce for me, and so I went right into that.

1:02:15.440 --> 1:02:20.600
<v Speaker 2>So I was I was heartbroken because I I loved

1:02:21.120 --> 1:02:24.880
<v Speaker 2>Fashion Queens. I mean it was it was a joy

1:02:24.960 --> 1:02:27.440
<v Speaker 2>to go to work every week and be with Bevy

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<v Speaker 2>and Derek and the whole Embassy Row family, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Deirdrew Connelly and you know, it was it was a joy,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I was very heartbroken. It felt like a breakup,

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<v Speaker 2>like a bad breakup, although it wasn't a bad breakup.

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<v Speaker 2>But I felt like that just left me. That's how

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<v Speaker 2>I thought he left me. That's how I felt. But

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't have too much time to weep because I

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<v Speaker 2>went straight into into my acting career, which is is

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<v Speaker 2>funny because that was my original one of my original

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<v Speaker 2>passions when I was younger. Again, like I said, from

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<v Speaker 2>the beginning, being a part of the arts. And so

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<v Speaker 2>my biggest note to people is nurture the gifts that

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<v Speaker 2>you've been given, give it one hundred and ten percent

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<v Speaker 2>and allow that to make room. And if it had

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<v Speaker 2>it not been for the beauty industry, me becoming Charaise hairstylist,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, excuse me, me becoming Charaise hairstylist, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>tracking through the Housewolves of Atlanta days to fashion queens,

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't have gotten noticed by one of the most

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<v Speaker 2>important and most incredible filmmakers that we know today, which

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<v Speaker 2>is Lee Daniels, and I wouldn't be sitting here as

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<v Speaker 2>an actor now, you know, talking about my latest project,

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<v Speaker 2>The Deliverance. How has Lee Daniels changed your life?

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<v Speaker 1>Like talk to me about because you know, one thing

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<v Speaker 1>that I love about you is the fact that you

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<v Speaker 1>give credit where credit is due. And I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>there's something that happened along the way with some celebrities.

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<v Speaker 1>They no longer want to give the profit of the

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<v Speaker 1>person who gave them the opportunity.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's very dangerous. That's very dangerous to do right

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<v Speaker 2>because none of our victories happened solely because of us.

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<v Speaker 2>Somebody had to be put in place. There was a

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<v Speaker 2>vessel somewhere that God said, I need you to go

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<v Speaker 2>do this on my behalf for this person. So who

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<v Speaker 2>am I to not say ay, to not give it

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<v Speaker 2>all counted, all joy and give God the glory and

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<v Speaker 2>to recognize those that He used to bring the glory.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't. I cannot do that in good consciousness. That's

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<v Speaker 2>that is I'm not I'm not built like that. Lee Daniels.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, he was in charge of opening a portal

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<v Speaker 2>for me that I did not think was possible. I

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<v Speaker 2>did not think that I would ever be able to

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<v Speaker 2>utilize my gift as an actor, you know, or any

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<v Speaker 2>of it. You know. I didn't think that I would

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<v Speaker 2>be on the same screen as powerhouse vets in the industry,

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<v Speaker 2>from Queen Latifah to Glenn Close, to Monique to Patty LaBelle,

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<v Speaker 2>to Gladys Knight to Benjamin Brad Andrew Day, who's a

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<v Speaker 2>real gem. The relationships that I have created because of

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<v Speaker 2>Lee Daniels that are life lasting, My relationships with my

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<v Speaker 2>brother Tyler Williams, who was also on the United States

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<v Speaker 2>Versus Billie Holiday with Me, Davine and Joy Randolph, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you name it. I wouldn't have any of this had

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<v Speaker 2>it not been for Lee Daniels, who saw my potential,

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<v Speaker 2>who saw and recognized my gifts, and who told God, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I got them. And I will forever be grateful. I

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<v Speaker 2>am now at a point where I am now learning

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<v Speaker 2>the business side of this side of the industry. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's interesting, but it is it is still very rewarding.

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<v Speaker 2>It's more than what the guy was making on Housewives,

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<v Speaker 2>on Fashion Queens, I'll tell you that much.

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<v Speaker 1>But the thing, you know, what's so funny is it

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<v Speaker 1>warms my spirit when I see you at the award shows. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>when I see on the red carpet, because, like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>you and I have to have personal conversations, and I

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<v Speaker 1>know there's just been moments where you're trying to figure

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<v Speaker 1>things out, like we're all trying to do today, right.

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<v Speaker 1>So to see that you're so successful in a genre

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<v Speaker 1>that is just so that you're you're really good, like

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<v Speaker 1>you're really you're a really good actor. I mean the Deliverance,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean number one movie on Netflix. The movie is everything.

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<v Speaker 1>Your comedy Chops is everything, your acting ability is everything.

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<v Speaker 2>And even the fact that you know you know how

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<v Speaker 2>to like roll some dice. So do you really know

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<v Speaker 2>how to roll dice? I have no idea. I had

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<v Speaker 2>to like study, I had to.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have to study how to So wait, so

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<v Speaker 1>I don't my legs?

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<v Speaker 2>So do you like do you like I don't play dice?

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<v Speaker 2>Like ginger and casino? Like? How what did you the

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<v Speaker 2>way you talk Kenya how to like do the fan

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<v Speaker 2>to roll dice? So you know you you go in

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<v Speaker 2>for me. When I read the script and learned that, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>Asia is playing dice or gambling with the kids, I'm like, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>now let me go on YouTube and see, how do

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<v Speaker 2>you do that? You know what I'm saying. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I have played scraps? Is it s craps? Is it craps? Craps? Craps?

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<v Speaker 2>I have played Okay, I have played crap. It's craps.

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<v Speaker 2>It's craps, It's craps. I have played craps for so

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<v Speaker 2>I know a little bit, right, But I wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>make sure that it was real. So I went and studied.

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to study what does that look like? I

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<v Speaker 2>want to study the terminology, you know? But what I

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<v Speaker 2>you know, what's genius and what's what's so good about Lee?

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<v Speaker 2>Lee gives you space to show up as yourself first, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and then he strips you. It's important that you show

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<v Speaker 2>up as yourself first because you need to find yourself

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<v Speaker 2>in the character. Then you're stripped, you get stripped, and

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<v Speaker 2>then you become this new character with yourself in it,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. And I think that's what makes Lee so

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<v Speaker 2>so genius. And I think that's why he gets the

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<v Speaker 2>best work out of artists and out of actors. You

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<v Speaker 2>just you show up, and you know, I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>it helps with your working relationship as well, because when

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<v Speaker 2>you show up as yourself to your director. They get

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<v Speaker 2>to learn and know who you are, which opens the

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<v Speaker 2>door for them to show you who they are. And

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<v Speaker 2>then you develop that level of trust. And when you

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<v Speaker 2>trust your director, that's when that's when the magic happens.

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<v Speaker 2>When Lee says do something, you just do it. I

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<v Speaker 2>have to tell this story. When I was shooting Billie Holliday,

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<v Speaker 2>there was a scene. It did not make the movie

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<v Speaker 2>for fortunately, but there was a scene where he told

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<v Speaker 2>me to I had to I was eating I had

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<v Speaker 2>to be eating something. And it was well over midnight

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<v Speaker 2>when we were shooting, so everything was closed. He originally

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<v Speaker 2>wanted me to be eating fried chicken, but they couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>get fried chicken anywhere. He insisted, but they was like, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>there's no fried chicken anywhere. So he's like, okay, he

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<v Speaker 2>needs to be eating something. He needs, Okay, give him banana.

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<v Speaker 2>Eat the banana. So they bring me a banana and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm eating the banana. He comes over and he whispers

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<v Speaker 2>in my ear. He said, I need you to eat

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<v Speaker 2>this banana with urgency. You know what I mean. I

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<v Speaker 2>need you to eat it with urgency. And I looked

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<v Speaker 2>at Tyler because my brother Tyler was right there. I said,

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<v Speaker 2>what the don't you eat a banana? Word? Now, I

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<v Speaker 2>am skillful a kind of you eat a banana with urgency.

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<v Speaker 2>So Tyler like, Chad, just do it. Yeah, because we

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<v Speaker 2>had time to figure out shit out is just just

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<v Speaker 2>just eat it. So baby, I had took de banana

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<v Speaker 2>and I had I had a debonaam And after we

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<v Speaker 2>finished the scene, lisaid, come here, I want to show

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<v Speaker 2>you something. And I went to the monitor and the

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<v Speaker 2>way that it translated was magic. I was like, you

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<v Speaker 2>would never think from that note that you're going to

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<v Speaker 2>get that performance. That's what makes them the icon. That's

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<v Speaker 2>why he breeds Oscar winners and Golden Globe winners, that's

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<v Speaker 2>why to go inside his head, which I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>anybody will be able to do, it's indescribable. It's indescribable.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, say this is Glenn J.

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<v Speaker 1>Blange is what the social media girls are calling her now.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I mean, what was that like to work

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<v Speaker 1>with Glenn clothes and her black scent and the wigs.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, listen, I didn't know when I learned that

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<v Speaker 1>I was gonna be in a scene with her, because

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<v Speaker 1>I shot several scenes. But you know, cutting room Florida

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<v Speaker 1>Da Da, and I was like, Oh, I'm gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>a scene with Glenn.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh my god, what to expect. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>this is you know, this is the krim de la

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<v Speaker 2>Cruseel Honey. When I say the most beautiful, humble down

1:12:33.560 --> 1:12:38.640
<v Speaker 2>the earth, I mean person that you can think of.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it's no extra bells and whistles, which fascinates

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<v Speaker 2>me because here's this woman who is one of the

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<v Speaker 2>most decorated women in Hollywood, who doesn't require all of that.

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<v Speaker 2>And then you meet a reality star and us they

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<v Speaker 2>got ten assistants, and I just I think it is

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<v Speaker 2>a key and I'm not reading them, but I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's fascinating.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no read them, because no read read them because

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<v Speaker 1>I listen. I always tell the girls, and my girls

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<v Speaker 1>are the reality girls. I always tell them, like, this

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<v Speaker 1>is not going to end well for you, because to

1:13:31.280 --> 1:13:35.040
<v Speaker 1>have an ego of this magnitude and this diva quality

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<v Speaker 1>of being late, showing them when you feel like it,

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<v Speaker 1>disrespecting the crew, talking to the producers any kind of way,

1:13:43.880 --> 1:13:47.600
<v Speaker 1>shading your producers on social media because you don't like

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<v Speaker 1>the way the episode, or whatever the case may be

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<v Speaker 1>going against everybody around you.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not going to end well for you.

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<v Speaker 1>So when you have someone like Glenn Close, who, like

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<v Speaker 1>you said, is one of the most decorated women in

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<v Speaker 1>the world, who shows up, does her job and goes

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<v Speaker 1>home and doesn't require a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>And is a team player, you know, wants the best

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<v Speaker 2>for the scene, wants the best for everybody in the scene.

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<v Speaker 2>On the on the during the birthday party and we

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<v Speaker 2>were singing Happy Birthday. What they didn't show is that

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<v Speaker 2>we went into the black version of Happy Birthday, Happy

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<v Speaker 2>Birthday to you, and Glenn was like, hey, can you

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<v Speaker 2>help me out, Like, how does it go? Can you

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<v Speaker 2>teach it to me? Really quick? I got to teach

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<v Speaker 2>Glenn Close how to do the black version of Happy Birthday,

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<v Speaker 2>and honey, she did it. Oh, I bet she did.

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<v Speaker 2>She did it. You know they didn't that part didn't

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<v Speaker 2>make the cut, but she did it. And I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, just and just down to her wanting to

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<v Speaker 2>make sure that she got you know, some of our

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<v Speaker 2>sound right, you know the diction, you know, Glenn Close

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<v Speaker 2>asking me, and I'm just like wow. So it's those

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<v Speaker 2>opportunities that I've been afforded that I wouldn't. It's priceless.

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<v Speaker 2>It's priceless. Yeah, So what's next for you? Well, what's

1:15:16.240 --> 1:15:20.599
<v Speaker 2>next for miss Lawrence? Well, there was a show on

1:15:20.640 --> 1:15:29.400
<v Speaker 2>the horizon, like a TV show. There's a scripted drama

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<v Speaker 2>TV show on the horizon. I don't know if I

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<v Speaker 2>can talk too too much about it, but it's been

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<v Speaker 2>in the work for maybe three four years now, so

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<v Speaker 2>we are extremely close to starting on a big network.

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<v Speaker 2>I will I think this time. I think this time,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna be number one on the call. She number

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<v Speaker 2>one the call show I'm starting in. This will be

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<v Speaker 2>the star if it is a Lead Daniel's production, Lee

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<v Speaker 2>Daniels production. I'm super super excited about it. I can't

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<v Speaker 2>tell you this is that I will be a detective.

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<v Speaker 2>I will be a detective. Yeah, so my work is

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<v Speaker 2>cut out for me. So I got to be running,

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<v Speaker 2>I gotta be jumping, chasing after I gotta do all

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<v Speaker 2>that and I am so ready. Don't make me cry. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm I'm super excited about that. So that is what

1:16:33.040 --> 1:16:36.000
<v Speaker 2>is in the near future. That's what's next. You deserve

1:16:36.080 --> 1:16:39.320
<v Speaker 2>all this plus more. You really you you, you have

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<v Speaker 2>never changed.

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<v Speaker 1>You are the same missus Lawrence since two thousand and

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<v Speaker 1>eight that they have met you. You haven't allowed this

1:16:47.320 --> 1:16:52.120
<v Speaker 1>fame to come to your head. You went to Charay's

1:16:52.120 --> 1:16:55.280
<v Speaker 1>fashion show to support her because you knew what a

1:16:55.280 --> 1:17:01.120
<v Speaker 1>big deal that was for Charae even recently hasn't obviously

1:17:01.400 --> 1:17:04.880
<v Speaker 1>this season hasn't, this upcoming season has not aired. But

1:17:05.000 --> 1:17:09.840
<v Speaker 1>obviously Kenya Moore had a hair showing her salon and

1:17:09.960 --> 1:17:14.559
<v Speaker 1>you were, you know, there. What can you say to

1:17:14.680 --> 1:17:17.080
<v Speaker 1>the world about how Kenya is doing because you were

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<v Speaker 1>actually there when that whole thing went down.

1:17:20.040 --> 1:17:23.479
<v Speaker 2>You know what's funny, I wasn't there when that happened.

1:17:23.600 --> 1:17:26.920
<v Speaker 2>I was there. I did the part Kenya asked me

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<v Speaker 2>to do, which was judge a hair show with Cynthia

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<v Speaker 2>was there and I left right afterwards. Now, everything that

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<v Speaker 2>happened at I was like, what happened? I couldn't believe

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<v Speaker 2>all this. I didn't know. I was like, well, I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't see none of that, So I don't know what

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<v Speaker 2>y'all talking about. But yeah, I don't know. And I

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<v Speaker 2>talked to Kenya maybe maybe a month after that happened.

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<v Speaker 2>King is good, Kenya is good. I learned that the

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<v Speaker 2>rumors were not true that she wasn't fired, that she

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't suspended. They, to my understanding, had just paused her

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<v Speaker 2>part of our side of the production. That's That's pretty

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<v Speaker 2>much all that I know. Do I think it's fair? No,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't, because the show was built off of the

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<v Speaker 2>shadiest and nastiest drama and shade and reading you could

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<v Speaker 2>possibly think of. So I was very surprised and taken

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<v Speaker 2>back that, you know, she had to suffer in whatever

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<v Speaker 2>way because of what transpired and what is what exactly transpired.

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<v Speaker 2>I have no idea the severity of whatever the repercussions were.

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<v Speaker 2>I have no idea, but just based on what I've read,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, oh, that's not fair if what they're saying

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<v Speaker 2>is true. And what I what I love about Kenya.

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<v Speaker 2>When she and I talked, we spend more time about

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<v Speaker 2>her wanting to know if I'm okay and how things

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<v Speaker 2>are going with me. So we talked very briefly about

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<v Speaker 2>the show. We talk about Brooklyn, you know, stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 2>So it But to answer your question, I think Kenya

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<v Speaker 2>is doing I think she's doing quite well. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>think Kenya has surpassed what her original goal was in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of being a part of Housewives of Atlanta. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think she intended to stay this long. So I

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<v Speaker 2>think she's doing well. You know, and sometimes, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>when things get shaken up, it is time to go

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<v Speaker 2>on and figure out what's next. And sometimes if you

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<v Speaker 2>don't do it, the universe will make you or God

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<v Speaker 2>will make you. Baby.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and then you have to accept the reality of

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<v Speaker 1>the situation. Yeah, don't feel bad for yourself. And no,

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<v Speaker 1>this is this is true. You're living proof of it.

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<v Speaker 1>So in my in terms of God will stop an

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<v Speaker 1>opportunity for you because there.

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<v Speaker 2>We will block it to bless it. Oh, He'll block

1:20:08.000 --> 1:20:13.280
<v Speaker 2>it to bless it. He will block it to bless it. No,

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<v Speaker 2>I received that. I received that. Are you in love?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you dating? Oh? I mean I have a very

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<v Speaker 2>strong situationship. What does that mean? That's all I say.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a very strong situationship.

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<v Speaker 1>How long has this strong situationship been in effect?

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<v Speaker 2>A long time? That's all I can say. Yeah, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not going into that next question. No, I'm just saying,

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<v Speaker 2>but you are happy? I am. I'm comfortable. Yeah, I'm comfortable.

1:20:59.560 --> 1:21:01.360
<v Speaker 2>Look at you. You vision it for the water. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm comfortable. I'm comfortable, no complaints. I don't have any complaints.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not I am. I am still. I am still

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<v Speaker 2>driven and excited about where I'm going and what I

1:21:20.560 --> 1:21:23.559
<v Speaker 2>know has been promised to me, and so I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to be too too distracted. So I think where

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<v Speaker 2>I am in my situation is perfect.

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<v Speaker 1>And as a fellow Libra, I could not agree with

1:21:37.439 --> 1:21:43.960
<v Speaker 1>you more same obviously very private people. The relationship part.

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<v Speaker 1>I just think that's just something that is over there

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<v Speaker 1>and what it does not that you need my advice

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<v Speaker 1>because you don't, because you're very wise for your young age.

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<v Speaker 1>But I would say keep it that way and it

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<v Speaker 1>has worked out for you. I have known this man

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<v Speaker 1>since two thousand and eight. I have never seen him

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<v Speaker 1>on a date. I have never seen I have never

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<v Speaker 1>ever ever.

1:22:09.160 --> 1:22:12.560
<v Speaker 2>He's you know, So I love it about you.

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<v Speaker 1>You really keep that separate and that's amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. Historically speaking, you know this from all your

1:22:24.439 --> 1:22:28.840
<v Speaker 2>girls on the show. Every time a couple is introduced

1:22:29.000 --> 1:22:34.720
<v Speaker 2>by it is not long lived on them shows, and

1:22:34.960 --> 1:22:39.639
<v Speaker 2>it's a rap. Keep that shit to yourself, now, I get,

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<v Speaker 2>And like when you talk about reality shows, that's a

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<v Speaker 2>part of it. They want to know who your significant others,

1:22:45.280 --> 1:22:48.360
<v Speaker 2>so that's a part of it. So I honestly don't

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<v Speaker 2>even have any advice for people that are going into

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<v Speaker 2>reality shows and you know, you know, getting match made

1:22:54.320 --> 1:22:57.519
<v Speaker 2>and all that kind of stuff, because I don't know

1:22:57.560 --> 1:22:59.960
<v Speaker 2>what it would take to keep that type of unionship,

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<v Speaker 2>our relationship or courtship or whatever together in the face

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<v Speaker 2>of the camera and everything that comes with that camera.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. No. I told.

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<v Speaker 1>Somebody recently that be happy that you're down on the

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<v Speaker 1>show anymore, because I think your husband is waiting for you.

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<v Speaker 1>And I said, in my opinion, I don't think you

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<v Speaker 1>will ever meet a man being on the show. And

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<v Speaker 1>what's interesting is you low key don't want a man

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<v Speaker 1>who's too eager to film on the show.

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<v Speaker 2>No, because it's not real, you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, so take this opportunity to find possibly you're

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<v Speaker 1>happily ever after, and I do believe that for this person.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, miss Lawrence. This was everything a long time coming.

1:24:05.880 --> 1:24:09.080
<v Speaker 3>I'm actually several times, but this is the perfect time

1:24:09.120 --> 1:24:10.840
<v Speaker 3>to do it, and I like the fact that we

1:24:10.880 --> 1:24:13.679
<v Speaker 3>can do it in person, one on one, in this setting,

1:24:14.280 --> 1:24:18.880
<v Speaker 3>celebrating you having the number one movie on Netflix for

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<v Speaker 3>over a week.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, two weeks, now two weeks. Think, yeah for two weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>So congratulations, I love you. I love you too. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Give it up for miss Lauren. Thank you for listening

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