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Speaker 1: he met Derek's buyer, another Mohawk named Jason Hill, and

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Speaker 1: the trunk of the car was a bag full of

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Speaker 1: I just figured they were watching down at Jason's place

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Speaker 1: have like any suspicion that they were in a fallback

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Speaker 1: the project Miguel Radar investigators have collected hundreds of hours

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Speaker 1: final operation. It takes weeks of planning. You gotta vit

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Speaker 1: much Timmy's doughnuts are we gonna get? Those raids needed

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Speaker 1: We knew eventually, Uh, it was gonna happen because it's

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Speaker 1: eventually it was going to happen because there was so

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Speaker 1: it's just a matter of time that it was gonna happen,

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Speaker 1: like I said, And it's just who where are they

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Speaker 1: Roger Gola and this is episode three, The Takedown. Derrick

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Speaker 1: White had spent nearly his whole life around the tobacco industry.

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Speaker 1: In a place like Gnawaga, it was actually hard not

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Speaker 1: But in the late two thousands, Derek wanted to take

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Speaker 1: been in the tobacco industry. Freeze. He goes. He goes, hey,

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Speaker 1: I heard something about some kind of sting going on,

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, okay, I didn't think anything of it.

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Speaker 1: He goes up, You're gonna be arrested. Then I said,

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Speaker 1: I don't know why. I literally had no idea. Um.

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Speaker 1: So the phone rings and I answered the phone and

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Speaker 1: it's the town cops. Pea case Mohawk Peacekeepers, the local

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Speaker 1: police force on the territory. Says, uh, this is so

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Speaker 1: and solved. He says, UM, just letting you know that

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Speaker 1: the s Q Uh, I want you to turn yourself in.

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Speaker 1: I says, for what, He goes, I don't know. He says, Uh,

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Speaker 1: they called and said, uh, you have to turn yourself in.

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Speaker 1: The reason Hunter wasn't already wearing handcuffs is that Canadian

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Speaker 1: police are not allowed on the reservation without permission from

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Speaker 1: the peacekeepers, and peacekeepers do not enforce tobacco laws. So

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Speaker 1: it was up to Hunter to go to the police

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Speaker 1: station himself. I says, I don't I'm not doing that today.

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Speaker 1: I says, I got shipped to doing it. Says my

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Speaker 1: kids are gonna be home from school today, nobody's around,

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Speaker 1: my wife's at work. I says, I'm not gonna just

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Speaker 1: go turn myself in for them, for I don't even

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Speaker 1: know what this is about. In the end, he found

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Speaker 1: someone to watch the kids and got his other errands

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Speaker 1: sorted out, He called ahead to the police station to

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Speaker 1: let him know he was gonna be coming in. I

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Speaker 1: was just getting ready to go out, and and then

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Speaker 1: the phone ring and and it was Derek saying, meet

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Speaker 1: me at we had to meet the lawyers. I guess

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Speaker 1: he had gotten already started getting ready. He must have

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Speaker 1: got the call to or whatever the peacekeepers call me,

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Speaker 1: and they said that we have a warrant for your arrest,

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Speaker 1: but we're not going to arrest you because it's for tobacco,

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Speaker 1: which is we They recognize it as a legal part

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Speaker 1: of our our inherited right basically, and it's legal in

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Speaker 1: Gonna August, so they're not They said, it's up to

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Speaker 1: me whether I want to go and turn myself in

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Speaker 1: or don't turn myself in. Were surprised. Yeah, actually it

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Speaker 1: was UM caught me off guard. I mean, we heard

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Speaker 1: that there was a raid going on, but it was

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Speaker 1: for um drug and UM guns and uh money laundering

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Speaker 1: or whatever the hick it was that they rated all

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Speaker 1: these places off the reserve. So as soon as you

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Speaker 1: hung up with the peacekeepers, who you call next? I

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Speaker 1: called my lawyer and I asked his opinion, and he

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Speaker 1: kind of said, well, it's up to you what you

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Speaker 1: want to do. I said, well, I'm going to turn

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Speaker 1: myself in. I said, I don't have anything to hide from.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's legal here. Uh So I went

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Speaker 1: turned myself in. Then they start reading us our rights

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Speaker 1: and questioning and whatever, and they were asking ridiculous, stupid stuff,

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Speaker 1: and I answered some of the questions. The questions were

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Speaker 1: really really insane, like what just about who I knew?

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Speaker 1: I said, I know all kinds of people all over

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Speaker 1: the place. I said, I don't want to tell you

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Speaker 1: anything because you're just gonna go bother them too, So

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Speaker 1: I'm not telling you anymore. I guess that they were

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Speaker 1: trying to trying to get information, you know, did you

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Speaker 1: say anything? Were silent the whole time? Um, I said

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Speaker 1: a few things, but it's nothing that they didn't already know.

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Speaker 1: You know, they already know everything if they were doing

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Speaker 1: an investigation for eighteen months or whatever how long it was. So,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I didn't have anything to hide. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I wasn't involved in all those things that they said

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Speaker 1: in on the papers and the news and stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: It's me. It's just strictly tobacco and so in my mind,

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Speaker 1: I wasn't doing anything wrong. The news was insane, the coverage.

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Speaker 1: I was like, are you serious, Like hundreds of millions

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Speaker 1: of dollars and all these stories come up here there

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Speaker 1: you're in the mafia, You're associated these biker gangs, and

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Speaker 1: I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, it's crazy. Derek's

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Speaker 1: name was blasted across newspapers and websites within hours. He

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Speaker 1: was referred to as a top ranking member of the

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Speaker 1: smuggling operation. Well see, that's uh one thing that they

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Speaker 1: didn't really do their homework very well. I mean I was,

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Speaker 1: I was way on the bottom of the total pole.

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Speaker 1: But they, of course they have to put the native

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Speaker 1: person uh near close to to the top, you know,

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Speaker 1: and make it uh such a big, a big thing

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Speaker 1: that it's all the natives and we're we're dealing with

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Speaker 1: the outsiders, with the mafia and the bikers and all

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Speaker 1: the you know, all the bad people. I guess when

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Speaker 1: they do uh a sting operation, it's easier just to

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Speaker 1: grab the whole crew, even if they're not a part

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Speaker 1: of anything, you know, Like I mean, there's over fifty

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Speaker 1: guys in there, and I don't know any of them.

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Speaker 1: To Derek and others in Gotta Waga, this was just

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Speaker 1: another example of Canada overstepping its balance, infringing on Indigenous

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Speaker 1: rights and making an example out of successful Native businessmen.

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Speaker 1: It was a publicity stunt. There's more tobacco around than ever.

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Speaker 1: There's trucks coming in every day. I mean this whole

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Speaker 1: if you go around, it's not like as if oh

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Speaker 1: we caught the big guy. We caught Derek, you know,

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Speaker 1: and it's all gonna stop. That's what they think. There's

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Speaker 1: more fucking tobacco and that's reserved than there has been

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Speaker 1: in the last ten years. Derek posted bail after his

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Speaker 1: questioning that was home before evening, but his release came

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Speaker 1: with a few conditions. Well, I can't leave Quebec, that's one.

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Speaker 1: They If I ask if i gotta go somewhere or something,

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Speaker 1: if I'm going on a vacation or something, I gotta

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Speaker 1: ask permission to leave. But other than that, the worst

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Speaker 1: part is it is that NASCAR and me next time

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Speaker 1: on running smoke. I mean, look at NASCAR. I mean

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Speaker 1: it was it was built off bootlegging. No matter what,

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Speaker 1: Derek was gonna get banned. We dissolved Derek's partnership where

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Speaker 1: he was no longer an owner of NBA Motorsport. Usually

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Speaker 1: you're you're innocent until you're proven guilty, right, But right

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Speaker 1: off the bat they fucking banned me. As soon as

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Speaker 1: I am free from all this stuff, I'm gonna look

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Speaker 1: for a goddamn good lawyer in the States and sue

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Speaker 1: Nascar too. Running Smokes the production of Campsite Media, Dan

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