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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Last week, I had

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Speaker 1: the honor of sitting down with the Deputy Director of

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Speaker 1: We got to actually go to DC and sit down

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Speaker 1: the first hundred days. But the Deputy director also shared

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Speaker 1: the Trump administration. We also talk about some of the

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Speaker 1: changes like the cartels being designated as terrorist organizations, because

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Speaker 1: how they work things, and that can also affect so

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Speaker 1: many other areas that were focused on and that the

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Speaker 2: Michael, thank you so much for being on the podcast.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for having me. It's great to be here

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Speaker 3: with you today.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, this is actually like I'm totally ganked out about this,

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Speaker 1: so I'm trying to be coupled, but I'm actually really excited.

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Speaker 1: But I'm really excited because of what everything that you

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Speaker 1: guys are doing is. There's a couple of different things

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Speaker 1: you have a counter terrorism unit, and you've talked a

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Speaker 1: how they've been designated as terrorist organizations. Now you've also

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, and thank you again for having me here today,

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Speaker 3: it is an honor to serving President Trump's administration as

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Speaker 3: thirteen American service members that you know, working with inner

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Speaker 1: How is the new designation as terrorist organizations change your

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Speaker 1: To the random a person tell us what exactly that means?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think that's how we have all felt.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we walked in today and we saw the

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Speaker 2: The lawn, And I'm like, this is lost on the

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Speaker 1: It is lost on the left that these people have

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Speaker 1: the reason I believe, but you can correct me if

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Speaker 3: But you know, just like terrorism, the narcotics threat is

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Speaker 1: What is this may sound like a stupid question, but

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Speaker 2: Do you think that is our biggest threat today? Is China?

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Speaker 1: When I ask coming into the CIA after the Biden administry,

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Speaker 3: Yes, why did.

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Speaker 2: That take so long?

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Speaker 1: Has the Has the CIA changed since the Biding the administration?

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Speaker 3: We changed the priorities And you know, another area where

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Speaker 1: appreciate what you're doing there, and I think the first

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Speaker 3: Thank you, and thank you so much for having me tonight.

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