1 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: Welcome to Part Time Genius, the production of I Heart Radio. 2 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: I guess what, Mango? What's that? Well? All right, so 3 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 1: you know the story of David and Goliath, Right, yeah, 4 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:19,759 Speaker 1: it's like the most famous underdog story in history. I 5 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:22,759 Speaker 1: think it probably is, But it actually turns out that 6 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 1: David may not have been the underdog that he's been 7 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 1: made out to be over the years, and some historians 8 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 1: think that David was actually the one with the advantage. 9 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 1: So Goliath was definitely big. He was either six ft 10 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 1: eight or nine ft seven, depending on which account you 11 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 1: look yet, so yeah, it's a little bit of a 12 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: difference there, but he's one of those and at that time, 13 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: either of those heights would have just been huge, right. 14 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 1: And he was also wearing some heavy duty bronze armor, 15 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:53,160 Speaker 1: wielding a sword, a spear, and a javelin. I didn't 16 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: actually remember all of these things. But here's the thing. 17 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: Even though David was going in without any of that, 18 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: no armor, no blades, no high ground, he was packing 19 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 1: superior firepower. So everybody knows he had a sling shot, 20 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 1: but I think most people probably picture the kinds of 21 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: sling shots that maybe we had his kids or something 22 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: like that. This was not a kid's toy, so he 23 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 1: was using a sturdy, leather pouch with two long cords 24 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: attached to it. Now, this would have been the same 25 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: kind of sling that soldiers at the time we're using 26 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 1: for long range attacks, and he mastered the weapon during 27 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 1: his time as a shepherd, where he would use it 28 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 1: to ward off wolves other predators. So in his hands 29 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: it was truly a deadly weapon. In fact, the stopping 30 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 1: power of the stone fired from david sling would have 31 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: been comparable to that of a forty five caliber handgun. 32 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: What that's crazy. It's almost like that scene in Indiana 33 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:46,320 Speaker 1: Jones where the bad guy does all this fancy sword 34 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: wielding and then Indie just shoots him and walks away. 35 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: I had forgotten about that scene bit right, Like the 36 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 1: fight was over before it even began, and it does 37 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: make David's victory a little bit less surprising when you 38 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: think about it. Yeah. So, I was actually thinking about 39 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 1: David and Goliath recently, and I realized I don't know 40 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: what the beef was between them, Like, was it just 41 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 1: a bully thing? Why? Why exactly were they fighting? I 42 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:12,079 Speaker 1: think you you clearly did not sit through as much 43 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: Sunday School, as I did over the years. But yes, 44 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 1: it was more or less a land dispute. So at 45 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:20,399 Speaker 1: the time, the Israelites were living in a mountain range 46 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: along the eastern border of Palestine, and eventually their enemies, 47 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 1: the Philistines, they started to encroach on that territory. But 48 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 1: rather than have like this full battle with all the 49 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 1: bloodshed that would be involved there, the two sides agreed 50 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 1: to settle things with a little one on one fight. 51 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:40,079 Speaker 1: So the Philistines sent their mightiest warrior to act as 52 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: their champion. That was, of course, Goliath, and the Israelites 53 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:46,519 Speaker 1: sent David because well, actually he was the only one 54 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 1: willing to face off against the giant. But you take 55 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: a second look at this famous story and you see 56 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 1: how exaggerated the Philistine threat may have actually been. And 57 00:02:57,200 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: so it maybe wonder if there was anything else about 58 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: the Philistine is that we should probably think twice about. 59 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 1: I mean, we all know they've gotten a bad rap 60 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:06,799 Speaker 1: over the years, and I'm hoping that today we can 61 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: shed some light on whether or not they really deserve it. 62 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 1: So we've got eight facts left to figure it out. 63 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: Let's dive in, right, h Hey. Their podcast listeners, Welcome 64 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: to Part Time Genius. I'm Will Pearson and as always 65 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: I'm joined by my good friend man guest Ticketer and 66 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: on the other side of the computer screen showing his 67 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: Philistine pride with a shirt that says, actually turn it 68 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 1: this way, it says justice for Goliath. That's our friend 69 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: and producer lull That is. I don't know where he 70 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 1: got it, and this may have been another one of 71 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 1: his homemade ones, but it's impressive. And that is a 72 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: hot take if I've ever seen one, but I guess 73 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: it is good to know where Lowell stands on all 74 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: of this. Yeah, Lowell stands with Philistines, Yes he does. 75 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: It is funny. But when I saw the topic for 76 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 1: the show in our sort of running Google doc, it 77 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 1: made me laugh because I've had this dad joke for 78 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: a while. I I've been telling, you know, Lizzie and 79 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: I are from different backgrounds, and people always ask like, 80 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 1: how are you raising your kids? And my standard answer 81 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 1: is like, well, Lizzie's Christian, I'm Hindu, but we're raising 82 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 1: our kids Philistine because my kids are awful. But I'm 83 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:31,159 Speaker 1: actually glad we're learning about this culture because I've been 84 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: using it as a punchline for such a long time. Now, Yeah, 85 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:36,840 Speaker 1: I have to be honest, I feel like I have to. 86 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:39,599 Speaker 1: Over the years, we've got our friend and researcher Gabe 87 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 1: Bluesier with us here. Gabe, good to see you again. Hey, well, 88 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: hey Mango, nice to be back. All right, So I'm 89 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 1: curious about this. Do you have a stance on David 90 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 1: versus Goliath? Gabe? I mean, I try not to take sides, 91 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 1: but I will admit I do have a soft spot 92 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 1: for David. I had this Nintendo game as a kid 93 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: called Bible Adventures, and there was a section when there 94 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:04,479 Speaker 1: was a whole section of the game when you played 95 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 1: as David. And the really funny thing to me was 96 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 1: the gameplay was all based on, you know, the fact 97 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:11,919 Speaker 1: that he was a shepherd, Like that's the part of 98 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: the story that the developers thought would make the best game. 99 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 1: So most of the time you're just David. You're running 100 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:22,279 Speaker 1: around collecting sheep, returning them to their pen. You only 101 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:26,159 Speaker 1: fight Goliath at the very very end. Oh wow, So 102 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:29,559 Speaker 1: I'm actually super curious because I've never heard about this game. 103 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: Are are the sheep important to winning the game? Unfortunately? No, 104 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 1: not really, Like you have a slingshot by the time 105 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 1: you face Goliath, so you have to take him down 106 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: with the old rock between the eyes trick. You know. 107 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:47,040 Speaker 1: Apparently that's the one detail the game developers were sticklers about, 108 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: like you can climb a tree with with five sheep 109 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:52,679 Speaker 1: stacked on top of your head, but you can only 110 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:55,119 Speaker 1: kill the giant with a rock. I love that. Well, 111 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: I'm up next. And since Will mentioned what a bad 112 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,720 Speaker 1: reputation the Philistines have, I kind wanted to look into 113 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: why they got it and who they got it from. So, 114 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 1: as you can probably guess, the Israelites are the source 115 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 1: behind most of the griping about the Philistines. And you know, 116 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:12,239 Speaker 1: they're talking about them being barbaric and crude and uncivilized, 117 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:14,479 Speaker 1: and if you flip through the Bible, it's not hard 118 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 1: to see why the Israelites might feel that way. Right. 119 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:19,599 Speaker 1: There are more than a dozen violent clashes between the groups, 120 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: plus a few random acts of meanness, like the time 121 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:25,559 Speaker 1: the Philistines destroyed Abraham's well by filling them up with dirt. 122 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:29,279 Speaker 1: Classic Philistines, I think. So there's actually another piece of 123 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: evidence for why the groups didn't get along, and it 124 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: comes from a pretty strange source, and that's ancient pigs. 125 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 1: So back in two thousand thirteen, a team of archaeologists 126 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 1: compared the DNA of ancient pig remains with that of 127 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:45,239 Speaker 1: modern pigs, and what they found was that the boars 128 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: that live in Israel today are actually descendants of the 129 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 1: Philistines pigs, which they likely brought over from Europe. And 130 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 1: since observant Jews don't eat pork, archaeologists think that the 131 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 1: Philistines taste for swine kind of forced this Oz versus 132 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: them mentality sort of with the Israelites. That's interesting. I've 133 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:05,840 Speaker 1: never heard that. But here's something weird I learned this week. 134 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: It turns out the word Palestine is actually derived from 135 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 1: Philistine or Philistine, And just to be clear, the two 136 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: groups are not related. But after they came to the region, 137 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 1: and you know, we're talking about ninth century b c e. Here, 138 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: the Philistines had assimilated so completely that it was actually 139 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 1: impossible to distinguish them from other groups in the area. 140 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: They lost all their defining characteristics and basically disappeared as 141 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: a people, but their name lived on because a few 142 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 1: centuries later, when the Roman Empire invaded, they just romanized 143 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 1: the old name Philistine and turned it into Palestine, and 144 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 1: so the names stuck around ever since, even though there's 145 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: not really a connection between the two groups. That's interesting. 146 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 1: So so do both names mean the same thing, like 147 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 1: Philistine and Palestine. Yeah, that that's the other weird part. 148 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 1: Both words do mean the same thing. They roughly translate 149 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: as the foreign invaders. And if that sounds like a 150 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: weird thing for a group to call themselves, it's because 151 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 1: they didn't. The name Philistines was just what the Israelites 152 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 1: and the Egyptians called the group. To this day, we 153 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: have no idea what the Philistines actually called themselves, and 154 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: we probably never will. All Right, well, I'm glad you 155 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 1: two got into some of the origin stuff because I 156 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 1: actually want to talk about how philistine became kind of 157 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: like this insult that you'd use to describe mangoes, kids, 158 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: mainly mangoes. According to the Merriam Webster Dictionary of philistine 159 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: is quote a person who is usually disdainful of intellectual 160 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 1: or artistic values. So yeah, that's pretty rough. But that 161 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:46,559 Speaker 1: definition actually has a lot less to do with historical 162 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 1: accuracy than it does with classism or like general snootiness. 163 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 1: So the modern meaning began to take shape at German 164 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 1: universities in the late seventeenth century, where you'd have these 165 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: stuck up students who would mock the townies by calling 166 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: them philisters. And so from their writers and critics picked 167 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:08,319 Speaker 1: up on the word, and it began to spread across Europe, 168 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 1: and you fast forward to the seventeen hundreds, it had 169 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 1: made its way to America. And here's the most surprising bit. 170 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 1: Ben Franklin was one of the first Americans to popularize 171 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 1: the term. Here it was in seventeen thirty seven he 172 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 1: published a list of more than two hundred expressions for 173 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 1: describing someone who's had too much to drink, and among 174 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 1: them was the colorful phrase he has been among the Philistines. 175 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: That's so funny. I feel like at mental last that 176 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 1: list would come up over and over again, and every 177 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:41,439 Speaker 1: single time I read it, I was like delighted by it. 178 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: It's just so great. But you know what, what what's 179 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: funny about that fact is that it's actually kind of accurate. 180 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 1: Like the Philistines were known as these party animals of 181 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 1: the ancient world. Um their feasts were ragers, and and 182 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 1: their cities were filled with multiple breweries and wineries, so 183 00:09:57,880 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 1: they were really ahead of the curve in terms of 184 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 1: alcohol production. But the thing I found surprising is that 185 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 1: the Philistines were far from uncivilized. Like these biblical stories 186 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 1: and stereotypes kind of make them seem like they were 187 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 1: a bunch of meat heads, but there's all this archaeological 188 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: evidence that proves the opposite. So, for instance, the Philistine 189 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 1: graveyard was discovered for the first time in two thousand 190 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 1: and thirteen, and it showed that there were people who 191 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 1: lovingly buried their dead, so many of the bodies were 192 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:26,559 Speaker 1: entombed with a bottle of perfume next to their face, 193 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:30,199 Speaker 1: so that the deceased could almost like enjoy the fragrance 194 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:33,319 Speaker 1: throughout era Trinity. Wow, So I grew up going to 195 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: Sunday School and there was never any hint of that 196 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 1: kind of I don't know, tenderness from the Philistines, Like 197 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: they were always just the bad guys. Yeah, And I 198 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 1: mean that makes sense, right, Like history is written by 199 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 1: the victors, And so it's only now with these recent 200 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 1: discoveries that we're starting to get this fuller picture of 201 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: who they really were. And as it turns out, they 202 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 1: were way more advanced than we've given them credit for. 203 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:58,959 Speaker 1: There were, in fact, like years ahead of the Israelites. 204 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: The Philistines were renowned for their use of iron, which 205 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:04,560 Speaker 1: was a rarity during the Bronze Age. They were the 206 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: only ones who knew how to refine and temper the metals. 207 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 1: So even the Israelites would have had to rely on 208 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:12,719 Speaker 1: the Philistines when they need to sharpen or repair their 209 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:15,679 Speaker 1: iron tools and weapons. Wait, so their arch enemies would 210 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: ask them for help with their weapons, like, like, sharpen 211 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 1: this for me, please, so I can turn around and 212 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 1: stab you with it. Is that kind of what was happening. 213 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 1: That's basically the case. I mean, it's super weird, but 214 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:29,680 Speaker 1: you know, there's all this mounting evidence that the two 215 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:32,599 Speaker 1: groups may not have been as directly opposed as we 216 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:35,560 Speaker 1: once thought. And uh, I mean they clashed a lot 217 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 1: for sure, because they were living alongside each other, but 218 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: they also had to work together and share resources, and 219 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:44,679 Speaker 1: eventually they intermingled so much that the Philistines ceased to 220 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 1: be a distinct people. This is kind of what Gay 221 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 1: was talking about. So the relationship probably wasn't as cut 222 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 1: and dry as you might think. Well, I mean, that 223 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 1: seems like a nice upbeat place to stop and take 224 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: a quick break. But we've got four facts left to go, 225 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: so we'll be right back. Welcome back to Part time Genius, 226 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:17,319 Speaker 1: where we're talking about the Philistines. Were these iron wielding 227 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: heathens that history loves to hate, and today we're actually 228 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 1: trying to give the group a much needed makeover. So 229 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:27,559 Speaker 1: Gabe Europe next, help us win some hearts and minds 230 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 1: with this one. Go for it, all right, I think 231 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 1: I've got just the thing. Everybody loves green onions or scallions, right, 232 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 1: of course they do. And you know they're found in 233 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 1: everything from thanks starting with right now. Everybody loves green onions. 234 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 1: It's a matter of fact. And you know they're found 235 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:49,319 Speaker 1: in everything from Mexican cooking to Chinese food. And if 236 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: you are a fan, you've got the Philistines to thank 237 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 1: for it. Um. The Philistines were among the first groups 238 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:58,079 Speaker 1: to cultivate green onions and export them from their ports 239 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 1: city of ash Colon, which is still a city in 240 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 1: Israel today. And in fact, the onions were such a 241 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 1: hit that everyone started talking about the onions of Ascalon 242 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 1: and uh, eventually the words just kind of got squished 243 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 1: together and people started calling them scallions. I love that, 244 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: Like it was just everyone was buzzing about these things, 245 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 1: these signings of it is an amazing fact. So I've 246 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 1: got another one that hopefully it drums up a little 247 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 1: sympathy for the Philistines. I assume we're all familiar with 248 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 1: the Ark of the Covenant, right, like the Sacred Hebrew artifact, 249 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 1: Indiana Jones plot device, all that. Man, he just keeps 250 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 1: coming up today, like Indiana Jones. Get a lot of 251 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 1: shout outs. Yeah, I mean, I feel like you can't 252 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 1: escape him. He's like one of the three cultural relevant 253 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 1: points we have for you know, archaeology. The real Ark 254 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 1: of the Covenant was an incredibly meaningful object to the Israelites, 255 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:54,680 Speaker 1: and everyone at the time knew this, including the Philistines. 256 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 1: So one day, when tensions were super high, some Philistine 257 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 1: pranksters stole the our and placed it in one of 258 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 1: their own temples, which kind of sounds like a college 259 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:06,839 Speaker 1: prank or something, right. But if Raiders of the Lost 260 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: Arc is is clear about one thing, it's that bad 261 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 1: things happen to people who misused the arc. So the 262 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: Philistines didn't get their faces melted off. But what they 263 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: did get was a mass plague of hemorrhoids. I'm not 264 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 1: sure which is worse. It might be worse to actually 265 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 1: have your face melted off. We'll have to check. Well, 266 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 1: you know, this is for real according to the Bible, 267 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 1: the quote the hand of the Lord was against them, 268 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: and he smote the men of the city, both small 269 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 1: and great, with hemorrhoids in their secret parts and mental flaws. 270 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 1: Did a peace back on this and the back of 271 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 1: the day, and and they referred to this as quote 272 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 1: the only mass hemorrhoid attack and recorded history, So you 273 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 1: know it kind of kind of a strange claim, but 274 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 1: you know it. It did take some time for them 275 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 1: to get some relief. The hemorrhoids actually stuck around for 276 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:57,119 Speaker 1: a full seven months. Uh. I guess this is before preparation. 277 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: Ah but um. At that point, the Philistines only asked 278 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: the priest how they could atone for their sins and 279 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 1: end this plague, and the answer was, of course, to 280 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 1: return the ark to the Israelites. So this is actually 281 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: my favorite part because they were instructed to make amends 282 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 1: by sending an offering of what included quote five golden hemorrhoids. 283 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 1: Uh um, it's best if you don't try to picture 284 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 1: that and what am I to looked like? But I 285 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 1: do find a funny that some poor Philistine sculpture had 286 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 1: to grapple with what that should look like. Such a 287 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 1: gross and weird story, but but but a good one, 288 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 1: all right, all right. I mentioned earlier that the Philistines 289 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 1: and Israelites probably had way more daily interaction than you 290 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 1: would have expected, and I do want to talk about 291 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 1: one of the strangest examples of that. And the story 292 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 1: goes back to Samson, who was the Israelite who of 293 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 1: course had the long hair that gave him super strength 294 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 1: until Delilah cut it off. But something you may not 295 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 1: remember about this is that Samson was actually married to 296 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: a Philistine woman long before he was connected with Delilah, 297 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 1: and and they had a pretty unusual courtship. So one 298 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 1: day Sampson was on his way to visit his bride 299 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 1: to be when he suddenly crossed his path with a 300 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 1: wild lion. There So this isn't a problem for Samson, 301 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 1: though he easily kills it with his bare hands and 302 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: carries it on his merry way. And you fast forward 303 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 1: to the next week, and Samson is on his way 304 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 1: to marry this philistine girl. Now, this time he comes 305 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 1: across the carcass of a dead lion, but for some reason, 306 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 1: it's now overflowing with bee hives and loads of fresh honey. 307 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 1: For whatever reason, so Samson does what any of us 308 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 1: would do. He tucks into the dead lion and scoops 309 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 1: himself out some honey. You know it's honey. You don't 310 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: want to turn that down. But not only that, he 311 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: also gathers some to serve at his wedding feast. So 312 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 1: this is already like the weirdest story I've ever heard, 313 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: But but I feel like you're just getting started here. Yes, 314 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 1: this is definitely one that just keeps getting weirder. And 315 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 1: actually did not remember much of this from from Gabe 316 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 1: and my my Sunday school classes. But what you cut 317 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: to Sampson's wedding feast and he's sitting around with all 318 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 1: of his wife's philistine friends chowing down on the lion honey. 319 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 1: When suddenly Samson tells the group that he has a 320 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 1: riddle for them. You know, he's probably feeling kind of giddy, 321 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:20,440 Speaker 1: he's been eating all that honey, and if they can 322 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 1: solve it within seven days, he'll reward them with thirty 323 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:28,119 Speaker 1: new sets of clothes. But if they can't, then they'll 324 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:32,360 Speaker 1: owe him thirty sets of clothing. So the Philistines take 325 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:35,399 Speaker 1: the bed and Samson delivers the riddle, which was this, 326 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 1: out of the eater, something to eat, out of the strong, 327 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:46,880 Speaker 1: something sweet. Right, So the Philistines, they they rack their 328 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: brains all week, but they cannot figure out the answer 329 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 1: to this thing. And at lasts they are so desperate 330 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:55,640 Speaker 1: they go to Samson's new wife and they beg her. 331 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 1: They beg her to find out the answer for them, 332 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 1: so she does, and Samson eventually tells her that the 333 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:04,439 Speaker 1: answer is the lion he found on the side of 334 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 1: the road, which, first of all, like what a weird, 335 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 1: dumb riddle, Like it doesn't to get thirty pairs of 336 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:15,479 Speaker 1: clothes or whatever, But it really doesn't feel fair. How 337 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:17,680 Speaker 1: are they supposed to know that, like there's some magical 338 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 1: honey dripping corpse out there. I mean, that's a fair point. 339 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 1: But the guy needed thirty new pairs of clothes, I think, 340 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 1: so he couldn't couldn't take any risk, And maybe Sampson 341 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: suspected that they had cheated to get the answer, because 342 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 1: the way he chose to pay the bet was more 343 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 1: than a little bit hostile, Like he went out and 344 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:41,160 Speaker 1: actually struck down, so he presumably killed thirty Philistines. Then 345 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 1: he stripped them and gave their clothes to the people 346 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 1: who had answered the riddle. I mean, that is harsh, 347 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 1: but at least he honored the bet. He did. Yes, 348 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 1: he was a man of his word. He did, he did, 349 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 1: he did, and he didn't kill the people who cheated. 350 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:01,720 Speaker 1: Actually he killed thirty other Philistine to teach them a lesson. 351 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:03,679 Speaker 1: You know that really really teaches you a lesson when 352 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 1: we do things like that. And so to make the 353 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:08,920 Speaker 1: whole thing even weirder, after all this happened, the bride's 354 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:12,400 Speaker 1: father took his daughter gave her in marriage to somebody else, 355 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:15,160 Speaker 1: so the whole thing was actually for nothing, Like they 356 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 1: didn't even stay married. That is such a mess. I 357 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 1: love that story. I can't believe they left that out 358 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:24,879 Speaker 1: of Sunday School. But on the whole though, I'd have 359 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 1: to say the Philistines did eventually get the last laugh, 360 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:32,160 Speaker 1: because my third fact is that they actually helped plunge 361 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:35,640 Speaker 1: the ancient world into a two hundred year Dark Age, 362 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 1: And I know that doesn't cast them in the best light, 363 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 1: but hear me out, because the ancient world kind of 364 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 1: had it coming. So beginning around twelve d b c e. 365 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 1: Prosperous empires like Greece, Egypt, and Canaan they began to 366 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:54,679 Speaker 1: fall apart, and historians think the Philistines are partly to 367 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 1: blame for that. They were located at the center of 368 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 1: a vast trading hub, which made it see for them 369 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:03,399 Speaker 1: to raid their neighbors ships and you know, disrupt the 370 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 1: trade system. And in particular, the Philistines were able to 371 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:11,160 Speaker 1: cut off the supply of tin that Mediterranean nations relied 372 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:14,160 Speaker 1: on for making bronze. And you know, there were other 373 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:17,119 Speaker 1: factors at play to like a string of bad weather 374 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: and disease, but the so called collapse of the Bronze 375 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: Age had a lot to do with Philistine raiders kind 376 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 1: of throwing a wrench in the tin trade. And you know, 377 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 1: the world was forced to switch from bronze to iron 378 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:32,879 Speaker 1: at that point, and the Philistines who caused the shift 379 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: were quietly absorbed it, you know, into the surviving nations. 380 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 1: And I guess that they got to go out with 381 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 1: a bang and and took everybody else down with them 382 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 1: in the course of that. But that's that's an interesting 383 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:45,880 Speaker 1: way to go. Yeah, I mean it was probably payback 384 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,879 Speaker 1: for everyone calling them Philistines all the time, right, you 385 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 1: know that that and you know the hemorrhoids. That hemorrhoids. 386 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 1: I was going to say the hemorrhoids pretty rough. I 387 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 1: don't know if that last fact was sunny enough game, 388 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: but but I did love your Nintendo game fact so much. 389 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:04,679 Speaker 1: Of all the Nintendo games out there, the fact that 390 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 1: you had one based on the Bible is amazing to me. 391 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 1: And I think it's not just great that you told 392 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:11,359 Speaker 1: us about it, but that you're telling the world about 393 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 1: it on this podcast. So I think you deserved the trophy. 394 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:17,359 Speaker 1: I completely agree. I'm actually sitting here on eBay trying 395 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 1: to see if I can find a copy of this 396 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 1: uh game. Of course, now I'm going to have to 397 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 1: find the Nintendo as well. But it's worth it for whatever. 398 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 1: It's a few hundred dollar investment, but yeah, well worth 399 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 1: worth it. So I think that's gonna do it for 400 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,119 Speaker 1: today's part time Gudius. Thank you everyone who sent in 401 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:36,920 Speaker 1: invention ideas. They've been filing into our Instagram account, and 402 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,360 Speaker 1: we love them so much. They're so weird and so 403 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 1: fun and so good. So we are going to announce 404 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 1: the winners on the next show. And from Mango Mango, 405 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 1: I feel like we should remind them what the big 406 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,160 Speaker 1: look if I've been saving up, I think we need 407 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 1: to drive at home. What prizes? What are they gonna win? Will? 408 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 1: They're gonna win six dollars? Now we're splitting it, so 409 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,440 Speaker 1: it's three from each, it's not. It's not six from 410 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 1: each of Mango and me. It's six total. Three depending 411 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,200 Speaker 1: on how we're doing. Maybe could be four from me 412 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:11,440 Speaker 1: and two from Mango. Just depends depending on the Yeah, 413 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 1: depending on how the market's going. Yeah, exactly. But thank 414 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 1: you so much for sending that, and it really makes 415 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:21,879 Speaker 1: us so happy. But from Will Gave Lowell and myself, 416 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 1: thank you so much for listening. Stay safe, and we'll 417 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 1: be back soon with another episode. Part Time Genius is 418 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:43,199 Speaker 1: a production of I Heart Radio. For more podcasts from 419 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 1: my heart Radio, visit the I heart Radio app, Apple podcast, 420 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:47,919 Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.