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Speaker 1: is such that we could or with three hundred people

427
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,439
Speaker 1: just means that we have enough shuttles and they can

428
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,399
Speaker 1: go often enough that if we had a place to

429
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,639
Speaker 1: put three hundred people in orbit, then that would be

430
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 1: kind of the max in terms of the shuttle bringing

431
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,160
Speaker 1: him out there, taking them on, bringing supplies and spare

432
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,399
Speaker 1: parts and everything else. That's more likely. What they were

433
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,879
Speaker 1: saying is that and it's that impossible we had a

434
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 1: big space station. Yeah. I don't know, but according to

435
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 1: all of these people who are are considered military and

436
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 1: corporate whistleblowers, that's the phrase that I kept coming across.

437
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 1: They're saying that we've got a highly classified fleet of

438
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 1: aircraft carriers sized anti gravity vehicles that are currently operating

439
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 1: in outer space. Well, I want to say, first of all,

440
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 1: if that's true, that's awesome. That's really awesome. I really

441
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 1: want to believe that's true. So let's prove that this

442
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,639
Speaker 1: is true. All right, Well we'll we'll try and do

443
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 1: that for you, Joe. Well, we just I mean, I

444
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 1: think we probably posted on Facebook. But in the last

445
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:07,120
Speaker 1: month or so, there's been that huge development in um

446
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 1: propulsion systems for space, which is super interesting and also

447
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 1: one of those kind of weird like it's so defies

448
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 1: physics and so defies everything that the like how you know,

449
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 1: one could wonder how long have we actually had technology

450
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 1: like this, or like where is this technology? Very swiftly

451
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: in huge leaps and bounds, leading us. You know, And

452
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 1: I think that a lot of proponents of theories like

453
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 1: this kind of argue that this is technology that the

454
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: government has had for a long time and is like

455
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 1: really ready to do some stuff with, and you know,

456
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,919
Speaker 1: the population at large is ready to see that stuff happen,

457
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,120
Speaker 1: but that they're like trying to figure out a way

458
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 1: to like explain how like humans came up with it

459
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 1: by themselves, you know, complete with the Shatner weird hand

460
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 1: things that I was just doing. Yeah, yeah, that's that's

461
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,880
Speaker 1: possible if they're trying to cover their tracks and cover

462
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 1: the UFO connection by slowly dribbling the technology out eventually

463
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: arriving at that if not alien technology, man, that's pretty

464
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 1: alien to what I experienced when I was a kid. Yeah. Well,

465
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 1: and and this is the thing is that, you know,

466
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 1: this is one of those things, these theories that McKinnon

467
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 1: points to to prove that, yes, we do have this

468
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 1: technology that's available to give us this free or basically

469
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 1: free or much cheaper and probably potentially cleaner energy sources

470
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 1: than what we're using right now. There's nothing cleaner than

471
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 1: the sun. Man. No, Well, you know, here's the here's

472
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: the other thing that I keep wondering about, Okay, well

473
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: let's let's look on the flip sides. So let's say, yeah, there,

474
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 1: we really do possess this technology, but what if that

475
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 1: technology to to operate it is super super dirty compared

476
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: to what we use now for propulsion of rockets and

477
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 1: cars and all of that. Like what if it requires

478
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 1: some crazy nuclear action that just makes goads a waste,

479
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 1: And then maybe that's why they're not releasing it because

480
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 1: it's so dirty. It's so bad that these these kind

481
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: of conspiracy theory things really assume that the people in

482
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: power are like pretty awful. They're nearious, yeah, you know,

483
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 1: and that's like widespread systematic problem. And I just don't

484
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: know enough people that are that awful, you know. I mean,

485
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 1: like so either there would be a really good reason,

486
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 1: like Steve says, right that like actually it's way worse,

487
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 1: and so they're keeping a secret until they can kind

488
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 1: of figure out if there's a way to alter it

489
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 1: or whatever, or we don't have it, I mean, you know.

490
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: And it's somehow I've become the naysayer on this episode

491
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: about aliens, But you know, it's this kind of assumption

492
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 1: of like super nefarious behavior terrible people. Well, you know, yeah,

493
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 1: and if it's if that's the case, if it's really dirty,

494
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: maybe that's why they're not using it. It's yeah, but

495
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: nobody ever says that. They say, it's obviously an example

496
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 1: that we have it and it's got to be super

497
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 1: clean because it's anti gravity. But you know, I mean,

498
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: we there's a lot of things that we think we

499
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: thought were super clean energy sources. I mean, nuclear is

500
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 1: an easy example. When it first came out, nuclear is

501
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 1: super clean, it's so cheap, and then we discovered it

502
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 1: actually makes a lot of bad stuff happen and potentially

503
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 1: can have some terrible ramifications can and not always necessarily

504
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 1: not always can. They're definitely careless. Back in the early

505
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 1: days exposed a lot of people are radiations fall out

506
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 1: that and nobody was aware. But anyways, the anti the

507
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: anti gravity thing, who knows, I mean, it might be

508
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 1: might not be dirty in the sense that it creates

509
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 1: a lot of waste or anything like that, or toxins,

510
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 1: and maybe it just makes people sort of come up.

511
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: Part of the seems again you pass through that anti

512
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: gravity field and explode. It's like the transporters and Star Trek.

513
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 1: They first figured them out and they would liquefy people. Yeah,

514
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 1: there's there's like a movie or TV show there's some

515
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: use of anti gravity. You know, they do the close

516
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 1: up of it and it's just like guzzling fuel and

517
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 1: like shooting out like black smoke in the atmosphere. But

518
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 1: like if the anti gravity, so we're using it, you know,

519
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 1: that's totally the sort of thing that people today would

520
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: totally do. You know, we would just ignore, totally would

521
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 1: ignore the fact that it would be like really awful

522
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 1: for the future generations because it's so cool, it's anti

523
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: gravity awesome. You know. Well, there's there's a trade off

524
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: there too. I mean, you guys have heard of the

525
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: space elevator for example, right, That's one of the big

526
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 1: problems with that is the cost of transporting all the

527
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: materials necessary to build this thing into or but which

528
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: would be vast. But once you've got that there and

529
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 1: you've got space elevator going space travel is they're cheap.

530
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: So that'd be a great use of It's like, Okay,

531
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: we're gonna dirt the environment a little bit, but we're

532
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: gonna use this anti gravity platform to put all that

533
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: stuff out there. Just this one time you know, build up,

534
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: build elevator and famous last words, and that will will

535
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: use it to put like about fifty nuclear warheads in

536
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 1: orbit and then but perfect, yeah, we are, sorry, we are.

537
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 1: But well let's let's go to the next thing, which

538
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 1: is do you remember when I talked about the ship

539
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: to ship or the non terrestrial officers with the ship

540
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: to ship transports, Okay, and we talked about the Avengers ship.

541
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 1: So this is that aircraft carrier size ship floating in space.

542
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 1: Well there's actually think it's the Shield spacecraft, but that's

543
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: just the antics. Sorry, Yeah, thank you for I think

544
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: I'd like to think it's like that that really enormous

545
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 1: Romulan ship from the two Star Trek movie. Remember the

546
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 1: first Star Trek movie that recently came out. Huh yeah, yeah,

547
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: that thing that was about the size of Manhattan. Yeah,

548
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: I think that'd be cool. Okay, Steeve, I really just

549
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 1: didn't want you to be embarrassing yourself. Well I appreciate

550
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: that because you know, I'm only a little bit of

551
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: a comic nerds, so this way you're correcting me on

552
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 1: my bad usage. When we started talking about e walks,

553
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: really watch out because I get them all mixed up walk. Okay,

554
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 1: well back to these ships. So the proponents of this

555
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 1: theory that there is that anti gravity technology and that

556
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 1: we really do have ships up in space point to

557
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: a couple of things, and these things are really really unconfirmed.

558
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: In other words, I tried to find I've seen mention

559
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: of it, but I've never found anything that where these

560
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: this information came from. It just mysteriously appears on the Internet.

561
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 1: But here's what it is. From those transfer logs, people

562
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: say the mckinnons saw the names of two ships. One

563
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 1: is the U S. S. S. LeMay, bear with me,

564
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 1: and the U S S S. Hill and Koder. I

565
00:33:54,920 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: believe that's how you pronounce. I'm not sure. Okay, now

566
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: here's here's I know where your confusion is. U S

567
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 1: S S three essay, Yes, it's normally it's a United

568
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 1: States ship is two S S. United States spaceship is

569
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 1: where the third S is coming from? In this is that?

570
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:21,320
Speaker 1: But because they should have called him USSR for the

571
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 1: United States Space Rocket. Well I'm just thinking about you

572
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: know again, going back to the like you know, of

573
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: course the documentary of the Enterprise, it was just the U. S. S. Enterprise. Yeah,

574
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 1: that was like the United Spaceship or something something. Yeah,

575
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess at that point, right, it

576
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:45,760
Speaker 1: wasn't like the United States. It was like the world. Yeah, okay, okay,

577
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 1: all right, I'm there. Okay, Well, yes, the U s S.

578
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 1: So we've got the LAMAI and the hill Encoder as

579
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 1: I'm calling it because I don't know the exact pronunciation. Well,

580
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 1: there's actually some history on both of those names. Really,

581
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 1: there's General Curtis LeMay, who was and this is this

582
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 1: is the whole story here on him is he was

583
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 1: friends with a retired Air Force reserved major general and

584
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 1: former Senator from Arizona, Barry Goldwater. Goldwater believed that there

585
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 1: was a UFO cover up in the government, and he

586
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: suspected that LeMay knew about it, and there there was

587
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: supposedly evidence that there was some room in right Patterson

588
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,800
Speaker 1: Air Force Base called the Blue Room, which was supposed

589
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,800
Speaker 1: to contain all the secret UFO information. Goldwater told the

590
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 1: media several times that he had asked LeMay about this

591
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: room and lead got really upset and said, not only

592
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: can't you get into it, but don't you ever mention

593
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: it to me again. I just feel like a U. S.

594
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 1: Senator from Arizona. Where where is Ohio Senior? Dayton? Never mind,

595
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, the U. S. Senator of the state,

596
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 1: and which how's you would you would at least think,

597
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 1: you know, the general would be like listen, dude, chill, Yeah,

598
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 1: you can't talk about it. But but you know, the

599
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 1: thing is is this this was back, you know, in

600
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 1: the forties and fifties supposedly when this happened, or maybe

601
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: it was the sixties. I can't remember the exact date

602
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 1: at the moment, but this is during a time when

603
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 1: we have Cold War going on, So that might have

604
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 1: been a room that held secrets, not about the Russians

605
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 1: or somebody else. Or it could also just be as

606
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: simple as LeMay was really sick and tired and fed

607
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 1: up with all this UFO he kept hearing about the

608
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: people kept pestering about him. That he was just exasperated.

609
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,240
Speaker 1: He said, Hey, I don't want to hear about UFOs anymore.

610
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 1: But if if he was the guy who was who

611
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 1: knew about that and somehow had control, that would explain

612
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 1: why one of the ships his name LeMay. We go

613
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,320
Speaker 1: to the other one, the second ship, there is a

614
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 1: man by the name of Admiral Roscoe Hill Encoder, and

615
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 1: he was the first director of the CIA, And he

616
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 1: was also a member of a UFO research organization, the

617
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomenon. When was that a

618
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:19,240
Speaker 1: thing that was in the fifties, because in nineteen sixty

619
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 1: the New York Times reported that he had sent a

620
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: letter to Congress indicating this the following statement. Behind the scenes,

621
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 1: high ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned with UFOs,

622
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 1: but through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are being

623
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: led to believe that these flying flying objects are nonsense. Okay,

624
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 1: we've talked about this before, and I'm just going to

625
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 1: talk about it again real quick. We always assume that

626
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: UFO refers to something that is extraterrestrial, right, but it's

627
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 1: actually just something that just means that it's identified. And

628
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: like the government has come out and said, yeah, we

629
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 1: test prototype planes all the time. Are you kidding me?

630
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,879
Speaker 1: Their stealth operations were developing these things were not. Of course,

631
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 1: we're not going to just like come out and be like, hey,

632
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 1: general public, just so you know, we got a brand

633
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 1: new prototype of something we're going to try out. We

634
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 1: spent millions of dollars on it and we might crash it.

635
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: But that's gonna be cool. You might see it flying around.

636
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: Of course they're not going to say that, so you know,

637
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: in order to say like a UFO at any level

638
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: and rant and also you know, I mean if they would,

639
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: they would have to investigate these things like say if

640
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: if if somebody's spotting something flying around, especially during the

641
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 1: Cold War, Yeah, you want to find out if maybe

642
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 1: Russia has you know, actually you know, flying spyplanes over

643
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 1: some stuff. You want to look into it. That makes sense, Yeah,

644
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,879
Speaker 1: it totally does. But that's that's why people say there's

645
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,720
Speaker 1: significance to those two names being the names of these ships.

646
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: It's also the fact that it then leads into what

647
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: is known as the Majestic twelve. Sounds like, yeah, but

648
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: before we delve into that. So, so McKinnon is the

649
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 1: one who came up with the names of these two ships, right,

650
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: He's he's the one who reported seeing these in the

651
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: success spreads. Supposedly he saw these names on the spreadsheets. Yes,

652
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 1: but that is completely unconfirmed. I've never seen any official

653
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 1: thing from him. In quotes, these are the names that

654
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: I saw, So it might be something that somebody dovetailed

655
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: in that they're pretty obscure references, at least the LAMA. Well,

656
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:34,879
Speaker 1: I think that they tie into this Majestic twelve bit, though,

657
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: is what the problem is. And I think that's I

658
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,720
Speaker 1: think that it's one built on the other. And again

659
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that it was dovetailed in and that

660
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,800
Speaker 1: McKinnon didn't say this, but I can't prove it. So

661
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 1: this is I've just got to lay the facts and say, well,

662
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 1: I can see how a fits to be fits to

663
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 1: see and that's unsolved mystery solving. Yeah, yeah, I mean

664
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 1: that's you know, I'm just trying to deduce what's going on.

665
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,760
Speaker 1: So that's that's my best. So here's what the Majestic twelve.

666
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 1: The Majestic twelve is alleged to have been the code

667
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 1: name of a secret committee of scientists, military leaders, and

668
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: government officials formed in seven by an executive order from

669
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 1: Harry S. Truman, who was president at the time, and

670
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 1: the purpose of this committee was stated as being the

671
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:27,879
Speaker 1: investigation of the reports of flying saucer sightings that had

672
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 1: been received by the U. S. Military intelligence, and in particular,

673
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 1: they were looking at the possible um the physics and

674
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 1: the technology that would be required for that kind of propulsion.

675
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 1: So they're looking into Okay, well, we're scientists, so if

676
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 1: somebody says it did this, can we figure out how

677
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 1: that might have happened? And that's kind of a simplification

678
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: of what it is, kind of kind of But here's

679
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:00,080
Speaker 1: the thing is this was formed in forty seven in

680
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:04,800
Speaker 1: and what really really sets off a lot of people

681
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 1: is that it was June or was it July of

682
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 1: seven that the roswell incident happened, So this is the

683
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 1: same year. So this just lights a fire under people

684
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: to make that connection. But yeah, other than that, it's hard.

685
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 1: Nobody knows what Majestic twelve was all about. Actually, yeah,

686
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 1: and here's the funny thing is um Helen Cotter he

687
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 1: if you remember, I had said that he had put

688
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 1: out that that memo in nineteen sixty about we need

689
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 1: to we need to be more transparent about these things.

690
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: All of the sudden, at one point he just stopped,

691
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: stopped talking about UFOs. He went dead silent on the topic.

692
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 1: So then people figure, well, that must be about the

693
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 1: time that he was inducted into the Majestic twelve. Inducted

694
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:57,879
Speaker 1: into the secret you know, the secret government organization that's

695
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 1: dealing with UFOs. It may us we think of um

696
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,399
Speaker 1: that Will Smith movie was what was the one where

697
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: the aliens came and he uh flew the alien ship

698
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 1: up at their Yeah, it makes me think of Independence

699
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 1: Day when you know they suddenly they're there with the

700
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 1: president and there an area forty one and nobody knew

701
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:21,359
Speaker 1: that this really existed, kept its secret because you wanted

702
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 1: to have plausible deniability. I mean, this, this is this

703
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 1: is pervasive and it's a it's a topic or behavior

704
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 1: that we've seen in a lot of things, but I

705
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,800
Speaker 1: don't know if it's real or not, but people just

706
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: really grab onto it. Yeah. I always just it's like,

707
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 1: you know, I have no idea, but probably not. Yes,

708
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 1: I always think of the Futurama episode about Roswell, whenever

709
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 1: we talked about Roswell, and I don't remember that. I don't. Oh.

710
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 1: They accidentally time travel back into the past and it

711
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 1: turns out that the Planet Express Ship is the UFO

712
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 1: and it's just like you know, Harry Truman shows up

713
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 1: in like a box of deviled eggs, like table doubled eggs,

714
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 1: and he just like kick boxes his way out and

715
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:10,359
Speaker 1: like there, it's it's good, it's it's a really I'll

716
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 1: have to pull that up. That's a Netflix I have

717
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 1: to pull Yeah, yeah, that's that's also it must. We

718
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 1: have another thing that came out a couple of years ago.

719
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: Some woman came up with a book that explained the

720
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 1: Roswell incident, which was that it was it was an

721
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 1: advanced Soviet craft and the Nazis apparently had been experiments

722
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 1: and altering human physiology, and so they apparently it took

723
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 1: some of these they had captured some of these these

724
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: basically human beings who had been altered by the Nazis

725
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 1: and stuffed him into this, uh this craft that they

726
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 1: did and flew into Roswald crashed it there because they

727
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 1: wanted to scare the crap out of us. And this

728
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 1: is a real book to somebody, that's the basis in

729
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 1: the whole book. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Well it was a

730
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 1: Soviet thing, yeah, with Nazi altered midgets and uh yeah, alright.

731
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 1: I never got around to reading that one. I don't

732
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 1: know why read I got so many, so many reading

733
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 1: hours in the day. Yeah, well, let's move to the

734
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 1: next theory that that kind of steps away from some

735
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: of that, and that is the Disclosure Project. One of

736
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 1: the inspirations that that McKinnon had was the Disclosure Project

737
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,839
Speaker 1: and it's run by a group called c ST. It's

738
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:27,399
Speaker 1: so it's c S E T I and they're they're

739
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,280
Speaker 1: headed by a guy by the name of Dr Stephen Greer.

740
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 1: Are they connected to SET at all? No, No, they

741
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:39,280
Speaker 1: are not, but CCT and this is right on their website.

742
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 1: This is how they explained themselves. There's a lot of

743
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 1: quotes in this episode. I just realized. The Disclosure Project

744
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 1: is a research project working to fully disclose the facts

745
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 1: about UFOs extraterrestrial, intelligent and classified advanced energy and propulsion systems.

746
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:02,760
Speaker 1: We have over five government, military and intelligent community witnesses

747
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 1: testifying to their direct personal, firsthand experience with UFOs E

748
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 1: T s ET technology and the cover up that keeps

749
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 1: this information secret end quote working so well, I suppose

750
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 1: they have five people they're supposedly talking. Yeah, they say

751
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 1: they have all of these people on record on videotape

752
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 1: or video. They've recorded them. It's probably not the right term,

753
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 1: but they've recorded all of their interviews about what they

754
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 1: saw and and interacted with and are they online somewhere,

755
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 1: are they like available to the public disclosure put out

756
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 1: a They have a it's almost a two hour documentary

757
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:46,320
Speaker 1: about them and what they're after, and it's called Serious

758
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 1: s I R I U S I believe it is

759
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 1: how you pronounce it um. I watched it and it's

760
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:59,399
Speaker 1: a lot about their beliefs and what's the best way

761
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 1: to explain in the way that they look at it.

762
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 1: They believe that extraterrestrials are coming to this planet, and

763
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: they have been coming to this planet for a long time.

764
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 1: But they're actually multidimensional beings. So what's going on is

765
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 1: that they will they will record the sky there's a

766
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 1: dot moving, and then that dot fades out and they disappear.

767
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 1: They're jumping dimensions. They use a lot of meditative techniques.

768
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 1: They all sit outside and stare at the sky and

769
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 1: they watch these things. It's it's very different. It's a

770
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 1: very different approach to finding space aliens. But they also

771
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 1: say that they have a lot of evidence that we

772
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 1: have this technology and that that technology is known about

773
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 1: and being suppressed. So so let me get this straight.

774
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 1: They have a two hour film or video out on

775
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 1: the internet, and in this they talk about their philosophy

776
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 1: and all this stuff, but they don't present a single

777
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 1: shred of evidence. Well, they do have some what they

778
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 1: do have evidence that they present as to why it's

779
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 1: real and why it's being suppressed, But it's a two

780
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 1: hour movie, so it's very hard to to condense into

781
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 1: a two minute explanation. I guess it also does make

782
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: sense that if they want their movie to be seen,

783
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 1: they probably don't want to put the information that's trying

784
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,879
Speaker 1: to be suppressed in it, right, because then the movie

785
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 1: will be suppressed and then they can't get their information.

786
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 1: You have to do it in like measured doses, and

787
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 1: and here's here's their measured dose. They say that the

788
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 1: government has the tech, or they know the tech exists,

789
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 1: and that likely they've been in contact with or they've

790
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 1: taken technology from aliens. And while they could disclose that

791
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,800
Speaker 1: to everybody and put it out there for the world

792
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 1: to know about and use, there's a major problem, and

793
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 1: that's a financial one. And the financial problem is that

794
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 1: we're very dependent on fossil fuels, and according to them,

795
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 1: there are four major companies that are out there that

796
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 1: provide this fossil fuel. At the same time, there are

797
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 1: four major financial institutions in this country, and each one

798
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 1: of those is married to one of those companies that

799
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:25,800
Speaker 1: provides all those fossil fuels, and they don't want to

800
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 1: let it out there because then they're gonna lose all

801
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 1: of their revenue and their profits from our dependence on

802
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 1: fossil fuels. Well. So, yeah, but you know, stories like

803
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 1: this have been around since I was a kid. I

804
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 1: was a kid, there was always talking about, oh, somebody

805
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 1: invented a car that will run on water, and then

806
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 1: these guys showed up from GM and then took his

807
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 1: plans and beat him up real good and stuff. You know.

808
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 1: The thing about it is is that free energy, even

809
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 1: if there's never there's never gonna be any such thing

810
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 1: as just free energy. It's always going to cost something,

811
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: and you're you're gonna have to build power plants or

812
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 1: whatever um and still generate the stuff, and so you know,

813
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:03,399
Speaker 1: there's always gonna be a profit to be made off

814
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 1: of it. I mean, you know, a solar energy is

815
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:08,959
Speaker 1: a great example of this, right. I mean, it's super

816
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 1: cheap to like install your solar panels and just have

817
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 1: your own energy and likes the right place in this guy,

818
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 1: but like nobody does that because nobody does that anymore. Well,

819
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 1: it's not cheap. The panels are not that cheap, and

820
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: they're getting cheaper, getting cheaper, but they'll they'll never be

821
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 1: it'll never be competitive with oil or coal. Well, and

822
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 1: the other problem is is that the power companies are

823
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 1: geared to generate electricity. So when you're generating electricity and

824
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 1: you're trying to pour it back into the system, they

825
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 1: have no way to store it, so they will they

826
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 1: they Hawaii is a prime example. Everybody. There's so many

827
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 1: people that use solar energy there and they run off

828
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:56,359
Speaker 1: of it. But the power company actually takes a very

829
00:49:56,719 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: small fraction of the energy that they capture it allows

830
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 1: it back into the grid because they have no way

831
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 1: to store it. There's and it would overload the system.

832
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 1: So maybe if they instead of worked so hard at

833
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 1: generating power, figured out how to store it to then

834
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: reuse it or release it at night or whatever, this

835
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:19,319
Speaker 1: would make sense. But these you know, the proponents are saying, well,

836
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 1: of course they don't want to do that because then

837
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 1: they would lose money because they would be paying me

838
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 1: for the energy that I pipe in from my solar panels.

839
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 1: It's not. Yeah, and the storage and stuff that, I mean,

840
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 1: you can store it yourself if you want to fill

841
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 1: your basement with batteries or something like that. The power

842
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 1: company is stored in reservoirs of water, for example, by

843
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 1: pumping water uphill. That adds a lot of another layer

844
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 1: of expense to the technology. Uh, same with So that's

845
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 1: this free energy thing. I think it's quite possible that

846
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 1: if it exists, and if there's a big conspiracy of

847
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:55,840
Speaker 1: conspiracy surrounding it because of oil companies, well what you

848
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 1: do is you as you turn the technology over to

849
00:50:58,080 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 1: those guys and then get out of the oil business

850
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 1: and they get into the the energy business. I mean

851
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 1: they're in the energy business now. So it's simple from

852
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 1: our perspective, it's it's very simple. It's very easy to say, well,

853
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 1: this is bad and this is a little better, why

854
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:19,840
Speaker 1: don't you transition over. But when you're trying to prove

855
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 1: profits or provide profits to your board and your investors,

856
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 1: and you say, hey, so that thing that makes us

857
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: all that money, we're actually going to scale that back

858
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 1: and we're going to sink a bunch of money into

859
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 1: this other thing. So you're not going to make as

860
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: much for a while, maybe a long time. Well, you know,

861
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 1: they they usually get a little resistance when they when

862
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 1: they say they want to go that direction. Now they're not.

863
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 1: They're not going to need to scale back on oil sales.

864
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:46,840
Speaker 1: And actually, when you think about it, you know that

865
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 1: the great thing about it is if the US government

866
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 1: has this, then it can turn the technology over to

867
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 1: private companies. The banks that have investments in these private

868
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:59,760
Speaker 1: companies probably also have investments and other fossil field companies overseas,

869
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,320
Speaker 1: so they can they can. Of course they'll all be

870
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 1: in collision with each other, they can divest themselves with

871
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 1: those investments were a reasonable period of time. This this

872
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:11,879
Speaker 1: makes sense as to why if it did exist, why

873
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 1: it wouldn't already be out there, because financially that just

874
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 1: that path makes sense. Yeah, And so you turn it

875
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 1: over to Exxon and in a few other companies and

876
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 1: give them exclusive pattern rights over this thing, and they say, hey,

877
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 1: foreign countries, you can have this great power generation capacity.

878
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 1: We're going to run the plant and keep this technology

879
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 1: a secret, but it's cheaper than anything else out there,

880
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 1: and so we could actually dominate energy production all around

881
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 1: the world. I mean, it would be it would be awesome.

882
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:40,800
Speaker 1: I a little bit don't want to go without saying

883
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 1: I'm looping a little bit back right now that I'm

884
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 1: always interested in how these theories are always like, wow,

885
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:53,400
Speaker 1: the US government has all of this extraterrestrial you know, like, okay,

886
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 1: we are we the biggest country in the world. No,

887
00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 1: that's Russia. Are we like the most superpower? If you

888
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:03,800
Speaker 1: were looking down on the Earth and trying to like

889
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:05,800
Speaker 1: kind of figure out who you would want to like

890
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 1: communicate with, would it be America? Probably not. So it's

891
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:11,319
Speaker 1: always interesting to me when these theories are like, well,

892
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 1: the US government has all this technology, and it's like

893
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 1: so egotistical in my mind. If you're listening and want

894
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 1: to have a further conversation, this is the conversation that

895
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:24,360
Speaker 1: some of our listeners know. I am happy to have email.

896
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:27,919
Speaker 1: But but you know, actually, if you're an alien looking

897
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 1: down on the planet and you're deciding which which country

898
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 1: did go can make contact with? The US actually makes

899
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 1: sense because we we are the most developed country in

900
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 1: terms of things like infrastructure. If you're an alien, you

901
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:40,839
Speaker 1: just count things like damns and just number of light

902
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 1: bulbs that are burning at night and big buildings, big cities,

903
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 1: stuff like that. Maybe it's just because all of the

904
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 1: stuff in in the sky the US s yeah, yeah,

905
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 1: but also Europe obviously it would be a pretty good

906
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 1: candidate too. But yeah, but Russia would not be a

907
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:01,360
Speaker 1: good at It is big, but it's kind of a

908
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:04,760
Speaker 1: third world country. Yeah, they're they're a little behind the times.

909
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 1: But that's that's a completely different topic. Alright. Well, well

910
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 1: that's the That is the Disclosure Project, and that is

911
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:15,879
Speaker 1: again one of the things that that Gary McKinnon really

912
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 1: seems to have based his initial decision to go on

913
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 1: this search for and they do talk the Disclosure Project

914
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 1: does talk about some of the things that Joe started

915
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 1: to talk about a little bit ago, about the free

916
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 1: energy bit, and and I want to go into that

917
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:34,840
Speaker 1: because and again this this is this is going to

918
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 1: be a very quick surface overview of this bit of

919
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 1: the topic, because this is another one of those things

920
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 1: that could just explode into ten shows on its own.

921
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:47,360
Speaker 1: And I'm only going to touch on a couple of

922
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 1: them briefly, I think, before we get too far into

923
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:54,439
Speaker 1: the theories or these cases, which probably just real quick

924
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:58,920
Speaker 1: to find kind of what free energy is. And and

925
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:02,279
Speaker 1: again this is one of the those things. Sometimes Wikipedia

926
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 1: has the simplest way to explain things. You verbatim that

927
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:09,400
Speaker 1: I got a verbatim directly from Wikipedia. It's not for

928
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 1: lack of trying, but it's just the simplest, most direct

929
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:16,880
Speaker 1: explanation of it. Crowdsourcing works or something something like that. Crazy.

930
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:21,400
Speaker 1: So according to Wikipedia, the quote for what is free energy,

931
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 1: the type of devices that are allegedly suppressed include perpetual

932
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:33,839
Speaker 1: motion machines, cold fusion generators, tourists based generators, reverse engineered

933
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 1: extraterrestrial technology, and other generally unproven or pseudo scientific low

934
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:47,799
Speaker 1: cost energy sources. Generator. I had to look that up.

935
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 1: It is the I can. It is so hard to explain,

936
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:56,799
Speaker 1: but it's basically two spheres in motion, and there's there's

937
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 1: a horn taurists and a sphere taurus and a ring

938
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:04,360
Speaker 1: to is. It's it's some serious math. And I watched

939
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:07,879
Speaker 1: a little illustration of a little video of how these

940
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:11,840
Speaker 1: things work and it was cool. Look, it's it's like

941
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:14,880
Speaker 1: there's a doughnut and then the donut comes together and

942
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 1: then it's spear pulls together into a sphere. It's it's

943
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 1: super complex and there's a giant math equation on how

944
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 1: it works. But evidently how it would work, how it

945
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:28,880
Speaker 1: would work, and it's evidently congenerate gods of of power.

946
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 1: I don't know that of gods plus ten powerscule amounts

947
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:40,320
Speaker 1: and then it's itself generates. Okay, well there's there is

948
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 1: according to the vernacular. Um, you know all of these

949
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:49,320
Speaker 1: stories of people who have come up with technology that

950
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 1: then got suppressed, and these are some of the ones

951
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 1: that get pointed at by the Disclosure Project from CCT.

952
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 1: And one of those is there's a guy by the

953
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 1: name of doctor Henry Murray, and he supposedly invented a

954
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:09,279
Speaker 1: device that could absorb energy from a vacuum, and so

955
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 1: it would just absorb energy and then you know, you

956
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 1: could use it to run whenever you wanted. And then

957
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 1: his machines were stolen and destroyed and you can never

958
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 1: make it again. Before he died, there's of course Tesla.

959
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:27,920
Speaker 1: Everybody always pointed Tesla for his free energy and all

960
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 1: these crazy things that he came up with, wireless energy,

961
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 1: wireless energy, But I don't know if that was ever

962
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 1: free energy, was it? I don't they point to wireless

963
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 1: energy as a free energy source. Okay, again, his stuff

964
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:45,440
Speaker 1: is a little bit above my pay grades. So I

965
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 1: never understood that the Tesla did actually have an idea

966
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:55,919
Speaker 1: for transporting energy wirelessly, But that doesn't mean it was free.

967
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 1: It was still generated a conventional way, but it was

968
00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 1: transported without having to have a power grid like we

969
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 1: have that right, that was his idea. He never put

970
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:05,440
Speaker 1: it in fruition, and I could be way off on that.

971
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 1: So I suspect that it's, um, such a huge part

972
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:13,920
Speaker 1: of the cost of energy is the actual transportation of

973
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 1: the energy that you know, it's if you use Tesla's

974
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 1: theories or ideas or whatever, you cut that cost out

975
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 1: essentially so that you know, you whatever down there, you're

976
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 1: taurusts based generators or whatever, and then you transport it

977
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 1: through Tesla's methods, than it's essentially free. Yeah, cheap at

978
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 1: that point or maybe not. Maybe that's why I've never

979
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 1: been implemented, is because it costs more. So I don't know, um.

980
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 1: But the other one that that that we have here

981
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 1: is and you mentioned this earlier, Joe, is Charles L. Garrett,

982
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 1: the guy who invented the water few water powered car

983
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 1: burned water and supposedly, you know, government agents showed up

984
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 1: and took his device, and then he was again never

985
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 1: able to recreate it before he died or no, now

986
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:08,000
Speaker 1: he he had a bunch of backers, and then the

987
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 1: government supposedly came down on him and a court of

988
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:16,480
Speaker 1: law got involved, said he created all this stuff fraudulently

989
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 1: and it didn't work, and all this investors suit the

990
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 1: crap out of him, and so he died penniless, and

991
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 1: so he could never create it again. Like a bunch

992
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:29,080
Speaker 1: of it got confiscated for some reason and it just disappeared.

993
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 1: It's in somewhere house somewhere. Yeah, but regardless, it's you know,

994
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 1: we can't get at it, so we can't use it.

995
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 1: And and this is this is like most of these

996
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 1: is that you know, it's all being suppressed and so

997
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 1: therefore we can't use it, and we're not saving the money.

998
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:53,440
Speaker 1: In these large institutions, not necessarily government but maybe corporate

999
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 1: are profiting from our lack of access to this technology.

1000
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 1: There was a book word, you know, recommending books. Uh,

1001
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:05,680
Speaker 1: there was a book um imna say five years ago

1002
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 1: that came out. It was called The Family. Check it Out.

1003
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 1: That's all I'll say about it. Crack it out. In

1004
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 1: reference to this sort of stuff. Okay, but I want

1005
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 1: to say this is, uh, this is a common theme

1006
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:19,720
Speaker 1: in human history, which is which is that utopia is

1007
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 1: just around the corner except for these dark forces. And

1008
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 1: the dark forces are corporations or they're the Jews, government, government. Yeah,

1009
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 1: and this and this, this, you know, going down this path,

1010
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:32,960
Speaker 1: you know very often least to dark results. I mean,

1011
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:37,160
Speaker 1: we'll see for example, the Holocaust, the you know, I mean, seriously, people,

1012
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:41,919
Speaker 1: if if if there is a miraculous technology out there,

1013
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:44,160
Speaker 1: then the people that are in possession of it, can

1014
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 1: you obviously use it to make a lot of money.

1015
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:50,959
Speaker 1: It doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense to hide it. Yeah,

1016
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:56,000
Speaker 1: that's very true. But Joe Aliens Aliens, Okay, never mind,

1017
01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 1: Well let's let's let's move on to the others. And

1018
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:01,560
Speaker 1: we've discussed a little bit of the other side of

1019
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 1: the coin. But let's go to the other side of

1020
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 1: the coin, which is Gary found nothing. Okay, Well, according

1021
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 1: to some people also known as the government, he find

1022
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 1: nothing and he made it all up. Now there's there's

1023
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 1: a pretty good basis for why Gary might be looked

1024
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:30,640
Speaker 1: at as having made all of this up. No, by

1025
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:33,720
Speaker 1: his own admission at the time that he was doing

1026
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:36,640
Speaker 1: all of this, he was spoken a lot of pot

1027
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:41,600
Speaker 1: as we know that causes lots of hallucinations and brain

1028
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:48,480
Speaker 1: damage and um did madness. Yeah he remember, he said,

1029
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:51,200
Speaker 1: I wasn't quick enough to get a screenshot, or or

1030
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:53,880
Speaker 1: I didn't think to save the file, just stare at

1031
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 1: the screen like, oh wow, man, pixels. It's possible that

1032
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:01,800
Speaker 1: he was just high as a kite and that's why

1033
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:04,360
Speaker 1: he can't remember these things. Or maybe you know, he

1034
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:07,360
Speaker 1: had some great hash and he was just dreaming it

1035
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:10,560
Speaker 1: all up. It might have been that he was trying

1036
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:12,560
Speaker 1: to hack a defense department thing and he got into

1037
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:16,640
Speaker 1: some alien UFO website. Maybe he wasn't even in the

1038
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:18,880
Speaker 1: government the government. He might have been on just some

1039
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:24,440
Speaker 1: random website. Although let's be fair, the reason that the

1040
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:33,240
Speaker 1: UK arrested him was because somebody had confirmed hacked into

1041
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 1: the U. S. Government server and they traced it to

1042
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:40,840
Speaker 1: him and his apartment. Right, so like we can say, ah,

1043
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:44,160
Speaker 1: he was like seeing something he didn't think he was seeing,

1044
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 1: but he was. It's I mean, it's essentially confirmed on

1045
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:53,080
Speaker 1: the books that he was successful in hacking into the U. S.

1046
01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:57,480
Speaker 1: Government's database and here's the worst part. We haven't really

1047
01:02:57,520 --> 01:02:59,480
Speaker 1: talked about it how he managed to do some of it,

1048
01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:01,680
Speaker 1: but I think Joe mentioned some of this. He wrote

1049
01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:04,520
Speaker 1: a script, I think it was a Pearl script, and

1050
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 1: he wrote a Pearl script that scanned computers that we're

1051
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:13,240
Speaker 1: using the default Windows log in names, so not even

1052
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:19,320
Speaker 1: a customized name, therefore using the administrator and the default

1053
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:25,960
Speaker 1: password thing. And that's how he was getting into their computers.

1054
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:29,080
Speaker 1: And he said when he was in there, because they

1055
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:34,040
Speaker 1: say here they described McKinnon's hacking as intention and calculated

1056
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:37,880
Speaker 1: to influence and effect the U. S Government by intimidation

1057
01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:42,560
Speaker 1: and coercion. But he says that when he was in there,

1058
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:47,120
Speaker 1: he saw other hackers moving around in the system. Who

1059
01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:49,440
Speaker 1: are you kidding me? Of course he did. And so

1060
01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:53,240
Speaker 1: he claims that he didn't bring down some of these

1061
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:55,560
Speaker 1: things or delete some of these files that they say,

1062
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:03,600
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't understand how to move into

1063
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:06,120
Speaker 1: network to be able to see that kind of information.

1064
01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:09,560
Speaker 1: But he says he saw other hackers in there, and

1065
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:11,800
Speaker 1: that he didn't delete some of those fives. He said,

1066
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:15,920
Speaker 1: I deleted some files, but I deletes all the files

1067
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:19,120
Speaker 1: you claim I deleted and it could be that he

1068
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:21,640
Speaker 1: went into a directory and then came out of the

1069
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:24,000
Speaker 1: director he left his footprints because he wasn't very good

1070
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:27,800
Speaker 1: at covering his tracks. Somebody else comes in, deletes a

1071
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:31,160
Speaker 1: bunch of stuff, covers their tracks to the only person

1072
01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:33,440
Speaker 1: they have to follow is him. Yeah, it's true. I mean,

1073
01:04:33,560 --> 01:04:36,160
Speaker 1: it's it's the old walking in the snow backwards and

1074
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:39,560
Speaker 1: somebody else's footprints all the time, all the time. But no,

1075
01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:42,400
Speaker 1: that's true. It sounds like they're pretty much wide up,

1076
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:44,200
Speaker 1: and you bet there'll be other people in there. Yeah,

1077
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:49,360
Speaker 1: and yeah, it's just it's hard, you guys, It really is.

1078
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:51,600
Speaker 1: And they they're saying that in this year period, like

1079
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:56,280
Speaker 1: he he hacked into where's the number, um, you know,

1080
01:04:56,440 --> 01:05:01,400
Speaker 1: all these systems plus the sixteen NASA computer, sixty thousand

1081
01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:05,240
Speaker 1: machines right, yeah, yeah, Well he was able to stand

1082
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:09,440
Speaker 1: sixty five thousand machines with that Pearl script to find

1083
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:12,320
Speaker 1: the ones that he could access because they had a

1084
01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:15,880
Speaker 1: basic log in. That's so clever. That's just so weird

1085
01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:20,200
Speaker 1: to me. The whole like dynamic of like being sophisticated

1086
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:25,040
Speaker 1: enough to write a pearl script like does this right?

1087
01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:29,760
Speaker 1: But yeah, but being so dumb as to not like

1088
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:34,880
Speaker 1: like just put a little like it's yeah, and and

1089
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:38,560
Speaker 1: again I'm not I'm not casting aspersions on him, but

1090
01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:41,640
Speaker 1: I think the part of his part of his issue

1091
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:47,440
Speaker 1: is that he was not in a state of mind,

1092
01:05:47,720 --> 01:05:52,040
Speaker 1: was not very stable at the time or clear to think, well,

1093
01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:55,080
Speaker 1: if I get in there, will somebody find out? Well,

1094
01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:59,680
Speaker 1: But like tour networks have existed basically since the Internet existed,

1095
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:04,000
Speaker 1: Like to not use something like that is like that

1096
01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:06,400
Speaker 1: would have been in the hackers handbook, Like that would

1097
01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:10,520
Speaker 1: have been chapter one in the Hackers Handbook. So I

1098
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:13,720
Speaker 1: don't I just don't totally understand the lack of use

1099
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:18,760
Speaker 1: of you know, any kind of protection or anything, or

1100
01:06:18,920 --> 01:06:22,400
Speaker 1: I guess on the opposite yeah, or on the opposite

1101
01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:24,400
Speaker 1: end of that, like maybe you know, I guess it's

1102
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:28,160
Speaker 1: conceivable that the US government was capable of tracking something

1103
01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:31,920
Speaker 1: through that surprise everybody who listens here as a hacker.

1104
01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:34,040
Speaker 1: Maybe they are. Maybe the n s A is so

1105
01:06:34,120 --> 01:06:38,600
Speaker 1: good that they can actually see through your tour network. Um,

1106
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:43,320
Speaker 1: but to not then, but then they should be smart

1107
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:47,120
Speaker 1: enough to change their stupid passwords or like even just

1108
01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:51,760
Speaker 1: put an actual password on there. I just here's dynamic.

1109
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:53,960
Speaker 1: Here's the other The other point to this is that

1110
01:06:55,520 --> 01:06:59,440
Speaker 1: the fact that he he got into their system is

1111
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:02,919
Speaker 1: a re you thumb in the eye. Yeah, that's really

1112
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:07,040
Speaker 1: they got egg on their face. And it's entirely possible

1113
01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:11,480
Speaker 1: that he got in there and he found Jack squat.

1114
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:15,160
Speaker 1: He was just going through personnel records that were used

1115
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:20,240
Speaker 1: worth nothing, or transport logs that meant nothing. But by god,

1116
01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:23,520
Speaker 1: somebody got in and we got to make an example

1117
01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:26,560
Speaker 1: of him about let's be fair, somebody got in that

1118
01:07:26,720 --> 01:07:30,040
Speaker 1: we can track. Yeah, there's that right, Well that's we've

1119
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:33,320
Speaker 1: got our patsy. Yeah. But as to but as to

1120
01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:37,400
Speaker 1: um so, he found nothing, but he claimed that he

1121
01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:40,000
Speaker 1: found something. So the question is why did he? Yeah,

1122
01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:41,880
Speaker 1: and I think think of a couple of reasons why.

1123
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:47,720
Speaker 1: The first number one, he wants attention, okay, yeah. Number two, well,

1124
01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:50,600
Speaker 1: number two, he's he's he's actually got some legal problems

1125
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:53,560
Speaker 1: at this point in time, and he needs money for lawyers.

1126
01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:56,000
Speaker 1: And so so I got the UFO thing. You get

1127
01:07:56,040 --> 01:07:58,920
Speaker 1: a lot more people interested in your case, and uh

1128
01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:03,440
Speaker 1: so you actually actually create more possibilities that But from

1129
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:07,560
Speaker 1: the start, from the very hem, the very start, he

1130
01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:10,000
Speaker 1: had the UFO angle. Okay, so he claimed to be

1131
01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:13,120
Speaker 1: looking at the evidence for UFOs and stuff like that,

1132
01:08:14,160 --> 01:08:17,320
Speaker 1: but he didn't actually make any statements about UFOs or

1133
01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:19,800
Speaker 1: anything to anybody that we know of until after he

1134
01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:25,240
Speaker 1: was he was arrested. Right, So, if he's a smart

1135
01:08:25,320 --> 01:08:27,280
Speaker 1: thinking guy, maybe he's not. I don't know. It sounds

1136
01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:29,800
Speaker 1: like he's somewhat bright, but obviously not bright enough to

1137
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:32,479
Speaker 1: cover his tracks. But he might have looked at that

1138
01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:36,799
Speaker 1: as a kind of a helpful legal defense. Um claiming

1139
01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:38,800
Speaker 1: that you saw wacky things, you know, like you know,

1140
01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:42,240
Speaker 1: things like aircraft carrier size, spaceships, you know, orbiting the planet,

1141
01:08:42,320 --> 01:08:44,120
Speaker 1: you know, and he saw this stuff. He saw the

1142
01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:47,120
Speaker 1: picture of a cigar shaped object and a stuff like

1143
01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:51,280
Speaker 1: that might actually aid your legal defense somewhere down the line,

1144
01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:55,080
Speaker 1: because they'll know your your lawyers can point to the

1145
01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:58,840
Speaker 1: fact that you're delusional. Yeah, I don't think that's necessarily

1146
01:08:59,400 --> 01:09:02,080
Speaker 1: the track somebody would take. I don't think that would

1147
01:09:02,160 --> 01:09:05,560
Speaker 1: benefit you. Well, for me, I can see the benefit of,

1148
01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:08,880
Speaker 1: you know, throwing out all these things kind of like

1149
01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:12,840
Speaker 1: just casting a large net, right that, Like on the

1150
01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:18,320
Speaker 1: off chance that even one even one XL document in

1151
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:22,400
Speaker 1: one computer somewhere had something that could maybe even be

1152
01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:26,760
Speaker 1: construed the way that he construed it, that that would

1153
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:30,640
Speaker 1: actually freak a lot of government agencies out right, that

1154
01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:33,120
Speaker 1: you could say like, oh, yeah, I did see this

1155
01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:35,960
Speaker 1: picture that had this cigar. You're you're casting a wide

1156
01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:39,479
Speaker 1: net hoping that you're going to catch one thing that

1157
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:43,000
Speaker 1: the government's trying to cover up, right, that might cause

1158
01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:46,560
Speaker 1: them to say, oh, you know, don't release that. You know,

1159
01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:49,720
Speaker 1: so I think that I can see it. Yeah, you're

1160
01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:54,560
Speaker 1: just kind of like, yeah, exactly, that you're hoping that

1161
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:57,720
Speaker 1: they are actually suppressing something like that, and that if

1162
01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:00,479
Speaker 1: they are, then it will benefit you and if not.

1163
01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:04,519
Speaker 1: Obviously it didn't set off on the alarm bills, did it. Well?

1164
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:07,360
Speaker 1: I mean they wanted to extra, they wanted wanted, like,

1165
01:10:07,479 --> 01:10:10,000
Speaker 1: you know, put him in jail for hacking, but they

1166
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:12,360
Speaker 1: didn't seem too frightened about him de bulging any information

1167
01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:15,240
Speaker 1: that they got. Yeah, well, mostly they had his computer.

1168
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:18,680
Speaker 1: He can't prove it either way, It doesn't matter. No.

1169
01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:20,960
Speaker 1: Evidently he had a bunch of people other people's computers

1170
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:24,000
Speaker 1: that he've been working on. Those got sees. It took

1171
01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:27,160
Speaker 1: forever to get those back, but he never he never

1172
01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:29,680
Speaker 1: got his computers, but of course not, of course not.

1173
01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:32,080
Speaker 1: But by the time you get your computer back, it's

1174
01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:34,800
Speaker 1: kind of obsolete anyway. Yeah, this is very true, and

1175
01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:36,719
Speaker 1: you're not allowed to connect it to the internet anymore.

1176
01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:41,840
Speaker 1: So it's yes, well that's that's that's the story, and

1177
01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:46,160
Speaker 1: that's the theories around the whole thing with with Gary McKinnon,

1178
01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:47,720
Speaker 1: and I just want to you know, I know that

1179
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:49,920
Speaker 1: we've all kind of gone into this, but is there

1180
01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:52,840
Speaker 1: any last bit, you know, your summation or your theory

1181
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:55,400
Speaker 1: about what you think happened. I think he made it up.

1182
01:10:55,479 --> 01:10:57,960
Speaker 1: But now if if he discovered evidence that we have

1183
01:10:58,200 --> 01:11:03,000
Speaker 1: ten aircraft carrier side spaceships in orbit right now, number one,

1184
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:05,120
Speaker 1: any anything like that, it's going to be impossible to

1185
01:11:05,240 --> 01:11:07,720
Speaker 1: keep secret, you know, I mean, just there's gonna be

1186
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:10,719
Speaker 1: so there's so many people involved in building and launching

1187
01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:13,360
Speaker 1: and operating those things, and obviously the launches themselves are

1188
01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:15,320
Speaker 1: gonna be kind of visible all the way all around.

1189
01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:18,840
Speaker 1: But also we could have even if we have perfect conspiracy,

1190
01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:22,800
Speaker 1: perfect conspiracy in the US government, nobody was talking what

1191
01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:26,040
Speaker 1: about the Russians, of Chinese and lots of other countries

1192
01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:29,760
Speaker 1: that track orbiting objects? How can they not notice the

1193
01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:36,320
Speaker 1: ships in orbit worldwide. It's that big. All the world

1194
01:11:36,439 --> 01:11:41,360
Speaker 1: leaders would have to know, we'd all be working together again. Wow,

1195
01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:43,720
Speaker 1: kind of hard to believe that none of that's going

1196
01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:47,040
Speaker 1: to leak out, you know. I I a little bit

1197
01:11:47,080 --> 01:11:50,479
Speaker 1: alluded to this earlier, This whole like the huge problem

1198
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:53,720
Speaker 1: I have with things like this, Like we we talk

1199
01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:56,599
Speaker 1: about aliens all the time, and I really like aliens,

1200
01:11:56,640 --> 01:11:58,719
Speaker 1: and I like UFOs and I like all that stuff.

1201
01:11:59,080 --> 01:12:03,160
Speaker 1: But for us to say, yeah, the United States itself

1202
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:06,800
Speaker 1: is covering up all this stuff is just ludicrous to me.

1203
01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:09,439
Speaker 1: You know, I think that there's something to be said

1204
01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:15,439
Speaker 1: for alien technology whatever. I think it's more likely that

1205
01:12:16,200 --> 01:12:18,599
Speaker 1: we're trying to develop things on our own. I think

1206
01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:22,320
Speaker 1: it's more likely that we haven't captured any kind of

1207
01:12:22,479 --> 01:12:27,639
Speaker 1: extraterrestrial What roswell is, what area one is, who knows.

1208
01:12:28,160 --> 01:12:33,840
Speaker 1: But I think the UFOs in general can be explained away.

1209
01:12:34,040 --> 01:12:37,479
Speaker 1: There are other aspects of like alien Earth visitation stuff

1210
01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:41,840
Speaker 1: that I really like. But in terms of this, we

1211
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:44,160
Speaker 1: don't have spaceships up there, guys, Like, we just don't.

1212
01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:47,200
Speaker 1: We don't have we don't. I wish we did, too,

1213
01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:50,680
Speaker 1: Like I really wish we did, but we don't, you know,

1214
01:12:52,439 --> 01:12:55,639
Speaker 1: we just we just don't. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

1215
01:12:57,680 --> 01:13:01,120
Speaker 1: I you know. My my perspective of on this is

1216
01:13:02,439 --> 01:13:06,880
Speaker 1: I think that it's possible that Gary found something. I

1217
01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:11,240
Speaker 1: don't think that is as extreme as he found. And

1218
01:13:11,320 --> 01:13:14,000
Speaker 1: actually all of the theories that we've talked about, I

1219
01:13:14,160 --> 01:13:16,320
Speaker 1: think that there's credence in all of them, but I

1220
01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:20,400
Speaker 1: think that it is a minuscule percent, like one or

1221
01:13:20,439 --> 01:13:24,120
Speaker 1: two percent of truth in the stories. Like there's probably

1222
01:13:24,160 --> 01:13:27,040
Speaker 1: technologies like we've talked about that are under development that

1223
01:13:27,160 --> 01:13:29,920
Speaker 1: people don't know about, but they're not out there for

1224
01:13:30,040 --> 01:13:33,800
Speaker 1: a good reason. And he might have found a leetle something,

1225
01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:36,120
Speaker 1: or he might have just found nothing, and the U. S.

1226
01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:39,680
Speaker 1: Government is angry at Gary and is trying to just

1227
01:13:40,200 --> 01:13:44,320
Speaker 1: prove a point. I think that there probably is some

1228
01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:48,200
Speaker 1: truth in that there are technologies that are cleaner, but

1229
01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:52,799
Speaker 1: they're just so they're so there in there their infantile stage,

1230
01:13:53,320 --> 01:13:56,240
Speaker 1: that they're just not usable. I So I think that

1231
01:13:56,360 --> 01:13:58,600
Speaker 1: there's truth, and I believe all of it, but I

1232
01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:01,760
Speaker 1: don't think it's a grand as it's made out to be.

1233
01:14:01,880 --> 01:14:04,120
Speaker 1: I mean, there's there's things, Um, what I was doing

1234
01:14:04,160 --> 01:14:06,760
Speaker 1: the research. There's this process, and this is one of

1235
01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:10,040
Speaker 1: those things that people point at as as government suppression,

1236
01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:15,000
Speaker 1: is that if you put forward a patent application that

1237
01:14:15,160 --> 01:14:20,720
Speaker 1: could potentially have some influence for energy, and there's a

1238
01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:23,400
Speaker 1: possibility that you're going to get a response letter from

1239
01:14:23,439 --> 01:14:27,639
Speaker 1: the US government saying your patent has been has been

1240
01:14:28,040 --> 01:14:31,720
Speaker 1: not denied, but suppressed is the wrong word. And well,

1241
01:14:32,439 --> 01:14:35,480
Speaker 1: because we can't let it out there because there's possibilities

1242
01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:38,040
Speaker 1: that it could get into the wrong hands and be misused.

1243
01:14:38,240 --> 01:14:40,559
Speaker 1: And people say, well, go, when you have that kind

1244
01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:43,320
Speaker 1: of patent, you file it in Canada first because they're

1245
01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:45,880
Speaker 1: much more liberal, and then by the time the Feds

1246
01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:48,599
Speaker 1: get the US Department gets ahold of it, it's too late.

1247
01:14:48,680 --> 01:14:53,000
Speaker 1: It's out there. I can see that happening for uses

1248
01:14:53,200 --> 01:14:59,200
Speaker 1: for certain explosive technologies or death rays or something crazy,

1249
01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:03,400
Speaker 1: but I can't see that on anything that is verifiable

1250
01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:08,439
Speaker 1: and really really solidly true and can be proven. I

1251
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:11,960
Speaker 1: think a lot of this is it's not fact, it's

1252
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:16,400
Speaker 1: not fiction. It's somewhere in between. People get a hold

1253
01:15:16,479 --> 01:15:18,280
Speaker 1: of it, and as with many of our stories, they

1254
01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:21,000
Speaker 1: build I mean, I think it's hard. There's a lot

1255
01:15:21,080 --> 01:15:24,519
Speaker 1: of potential for technology out there, and if you, as

1256
01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:28,000
Speaker 1: a private citizen, can come up with one thing that

1257
01:15:28,720 --> 01:15:34,439
Speaker 1: I guess provides, for instance, free energy. Right, there are

1258
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:38,880
Speaker 1: so many ramifications and ripples that we don't pay attention to,

1259
01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:42,760
Speaker 1: that we haven't historically paid attention to. That We've learned

1260
01:15:42,760 --> 01:15:45,000
Speaker 1: from our mistakes of not paying attention to those things

1261
01:15:45,439 --> 01:15:47,559
Speaker 1: that we, you know, as kind of a society say

1262
01:15:47,560 --> 01:15:50,680
Speaker 1: at this point, Hey, maybe we're going to take your

1263
01:15:50,720 --> 01:15:56,960
Speaker 1: patent into consideration as a huge, publicly funded agency. We

1264
01:15:57,080 --> 01:15:59,160
Speaker 1: will test it. We will make sure that there's nothing

1265
01:15:59,200 --> 01:16:01,080
Speaker 1: wrong with it. You know, whether or not it makes

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Speaker 1: it back to you is completely different. But you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean, we live in a world where like doctors

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Speaker 1: used to prescribe cigarettes to pregnant women secure my owning thickness,

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Speaker 1: and yeah, you know, and that was the thing because

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Speaker 1: it wasn't it just wasn't tested, you know, And we've

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Speaker 1: learned from those mistakes, and I think that oftentimes we

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Speaker 1: were overly cautious with anything that could have negative ramifications

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Speaker 1: on a large scale. And I you know, this whole

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Speaker 1: free energy thing just reeks of that to me, do

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Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, So yeah, free free energy perpetual motion

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Speaker 1: machines all that stuff. No, not quite, not quite by

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Speaker 1: black holes black holes. Yeah, was gonna say, And the

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Speaker 1: photograph that he saw, let's assume, that's assume for the

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Speaker 1: sake of fun, that he did actually see a photograph. Well, NASA,

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Speaker 1: you know, NASA's always involved in little projects and stuff

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Speaker 1: like that, or they're trying to sell a project out

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Speaker 1: of Congress, and and they do stuff like they do

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Speaker 1: artists conceptions, some of which are extremely realistic. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I see an artist conception paintings and photoshops coming out

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Speaker 1: of NASA that looked really awesome. Space suits. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: that are like on Mars, the artists renderings. Right, there's

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Speaker 1: like men in space suits on Mars. Yeah. And so

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Speaker 1: it's not conceptual, it's it's not beyond the realm of reason.

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Speaker 1: That he saw a photograph doesn't mean it was a

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Speaker 1: real photograph of real thing. That maybe what filtered unfiltered meant, right,

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Speaker 1: unfiltered unfiltered right. It could also potentially mean at that resolution,

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Speaker 1: with that color gig assessment could have been a fly

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Speaker 1: or like a high flying bird. It could have been

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Speaker 1: that the stealth bomber was on the ground and we

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Speaker 1: didn't want to disclose that we serve as stealth bombers

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Speaker 1: at that location. There's so many simple answers. I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying that just because it's simple answer, it's right, but

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of simple answers. I did jump to

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Speaker 1: these grand conclusions, but well, I think that that we

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Speaker 1: would probably be labored this one another. Yeah, yeah, we

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Speaker 1: were gonna have a bunch of of the links to

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Speaker 1: this story. They will be on the website website, as

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Speaker 1: always is Thinking Sideways podcast dot com. If you want

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Speaker 1: always find us on Stitcher and just stream us directly

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Speaker 1: from any internet capable mobile device. Yeah yeah, Now, of

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Speaker 1: course we have We've got the Facebook page and the

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Speaker 1: face groups, so if you want to join and find us,

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Speaker 1: we've always we're always trying to put stuff out there

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Speaker 1: and keep things going. That's always fun. And last, but

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Speaker 1: not least, if if you want to have a discussion

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Speaker 1: with Devin about your perspective on Aliens, or you have

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Speaker 1: any other questions you want to ask, you can always

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Speaker 1: send us an email. Email address is Thinking Sideways podcast

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Speaker 1: at gmail dot com. And I believe that's that's all

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Speaker 1: our contact information and I think, believe it or not,

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Speaker 1: that's all that we've got on this particular show. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we stretched as long as it could, but you can't

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Speaker 1: go any further. Something's about the snap. Yeah. Well, ladies

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Speaker 1: and gentlemen, thank you for listening, and thanks again for

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Speaker 1: for this listeners suggestion. This was a lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: Sorry it took me so long to get to it,

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Speaker 1: but it was definitely a fun one. So we will

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Speaker 1: talk to you next week. Aliens, guys, you think so