WEBVTT - A Double Suicide at Gazprom's Nest

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<v Speaker 1>Something strange is going on. Who is killing Russian billionaires?

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<v Speaker 2>Another Russian oligarch has been found dead. Reports suggests that

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<v Speaker 2>he hanged himself, fell out of.

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<v Speaker 1>A window, slashed his wrists, was poisoned, murdered his whole family.

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<v Speaker 3>Last year, more than a dozen Russian oligarchs died in

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<v Speaker 3>the space of nine months. Many of the deaths are

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<v Speaker 3>suspicious with links to the Kremlin. This is sad Oligach,

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<v Speaker 3>an investigation into these recently dead Russian billionaires. It's created

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<v Speaker 3>by me jake Hanrahan and my colleague Sergei Slipchenkov. Sad

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<v Speaker 3>Oligarch is a h eleven production for Kulsomdia and iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 3>One day after Russia's full scale invasion of Ukraine in

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<v Speaker 3>February twenty twenty two, Alexander t Yulokov hanged himself in

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<v Speaker 3>the gary of his villa in Russia's Leningrad of Blast,

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<v Speaker 3>specifically the village of Leninskoya. Tulukov was sixty one years old.

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<v Speaker 3>According to multiple sources from Russian media, a suicide note

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<v Speaker 3>was found next to the body, Its contents, though.

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<v Speaker 1>Have yet to be revealed in full.

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<v Speaker 3>Tulukov worked for Gazprom, a multinational energy corporation owned in

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<v Speaker 3>the majority by the Russian government. Tulukov was the deputy

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<v Speaker 3>general director of Gazprom's Unified Settlement Center for Corporate Security,

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<v Speaker 3>a serious role. Leninskoya, where he lived and died, has

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<v Speaker 3>been nicknamed by locals as Gazprom's nest as so many

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<v Speaker 3>Gazprom managers have houses there. Tulukov was wealthy, and his

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<v Speaker 3>house in Leninskoya showed it. The Tulukov house was surrounded

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<v Speaker 3>by beautiful conifer trees and set back in the woods,

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<v Speaker 3>a nice place to live. The minimum cost of an

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<v Speaker 3>average house in that area is upward of five hundred

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<v Speaker 3>thousand dollars. Tulukov's corpse was found by a woman he

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<v Speaker 3>lived with and her ex husband. It's unsure if the

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<v Speaker 3>woman was his girlfriend or just rented a room at

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<v Speaker 3>the house. Either way, the body was discovered hanged in

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<v Speaker 3>a noose in the garage and the police were called.

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<v Speaker 3>The police arrived and got to work. Then a short

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<v Speaker 3>time later, something strange happened. As police tended to the scene,

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<v Speaker 3>three black jeeps pulled up outside the house. Several men

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<v Speaker 3>got out. They belonged to Gazprom's private security. They immediately

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<v Speaker 3>pushed out the police. Investigators cordoned off the area and

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<v Speaker 3>seized the evidence. Independent Russian newspaper Navaya Gazetta, an adversarial

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<v Speaker 3>outlet that's known for being critical of the Kremlin, interviewed

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<v Speaker 3>people at the scene. They spoke to an employee of

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<v Speaker 3>the Investigative Committee for the Leningrad Region. This person, who

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<v Speaker 3>wished to remain anonymous, said the following quote, Everything that

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<v Speaker 3>concerns the village of Leninskoya is immediately reported to us. Personally,

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<v Speaker 3>I saw a man in a noose with some piece

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<v Speaker 3>of paper lying on the floor of the garage. Forensic

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<v Speaker 3>specialists were already working when stronglooking guys arrived in three jeeps.

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<v Speaker 3>They declared they were Gazprom's security service. They calledon off

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<v Speaker 3>the territory and we and most of the policemen were

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<v Speaker 3>simply sent away outside of the cordon of the house

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<v Speaker 3>ends quote Who were these people? How is it that

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<v Speaker 3>Gazprom security was able to outrank the police. To get

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<v Speaker 3>an idea of how security worked at Gazprom, we looked

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<v Speaker 3>at local job postings in Russia for security services in

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<v Speaker 3>the Gazprom companies.

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<v Speaker 2>Sergei explains, I couldn't find a specific company or like

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<v Speaker 2>a specific I guess I don't know, like section of

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<v Speaker 2>Gasprom that specifically has security, like when they're when you're like,

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<v Speaker 2>here's a job offering for a security guard, uh, and

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<v Speaker 2>it basically just says you're working for gas Prom, which

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<v Speaker 2>just means like the main security head of gas Prom.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no like separate entity or anything. It seems to

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<v Speaker 2>be just like internal gas from security guards. And from

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<v Speaker 2>my understanding that's basically who came kicked the police out.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know for sure, but going based off other

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<v Speaker 2>uh kind of other situations and from what Anderson how

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<v Speaker 2>Russia operates, my guess would be the cops kind of

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<v Speaker 2>understand that once gas Prom is there, it's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>above their pay grade. I think they know that, like

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<v Speaker 2>if gas from security is there, you know, very connected

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<v Speaker 2>to put into the Russian higher ups. I think they

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<v Speaker 2>know kind of it's time to pack up and step

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<v Speaker 2>out of the way. So anything related to curreny they

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<v Speaker 2>always look for military service.

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<v Speaker 3>Currently, a company called Radu is doing the recruiting for

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<v Speaker 3>Gazprom security. That's who's hiring from the job of a

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<v Speaker 3>surgery was reading. Radu is a Russian private military contractor

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<v Speaker 3>and security firm. It's even formed its own mercenary units

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<v Speaker 3>sent out to fight against Ukraine through REDU. Gazprom itself

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<v Speaker 3>also has a private military contractor unit taking part in

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<v Speaker 3>the Russian invasion of Ukraine right now. Recently, this unit

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<v Speaker 3>released a video condemning another Russian private military contractor unit

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<v Speaker 3>who they clash within an occupied area of Ukraine. So

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<v Speaker 3>one Russian PMC is fighting with another Russian PMC whilst

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<v Speaker 3>both are sent on the same mission by private Russian

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<v Speaker 3>government linked firms to invade a foreign country. It's extremely messy,

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<v Speaker 3>but as you can see, Gazprom is not just an

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<v Speaker 3>energy company. Essentially, gaz Prom holds a lot more power

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<v Speaker 3>across Russia. Much more is at stake for its executives.

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<v Speaker 3>To understand Gazprom's power and how Alexander T. Yolokov might

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<v Speaker 3>have gotten on the wrong side of that, we need

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<v Speaker 3>to look at where Gazprom came from. Gazprom's origins date

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<v Speaker 3>back to the nineteen forties, when Russia was ruled by

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<v Speaker 3>Stalin's Soviet Union the USSR. In nineteen forty three, in

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<v Speaker 3>the midst of World War two, the USSR formed its

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<v Speaker 3>first domestic gas industry, was later centralized as the Ministry

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<v Speaker 3>of Gas, which discovered large natural gas reserves in the

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen seventies and eighties. This helped the USSR become a

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<v Speaker 3>major player in the gas industry. By nineteen eighty three,

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<v Speaker 3>the USSR was the world's leading producer of natural gas.

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<v Speaker 3>They exported the gas to many countries across Western Europe,

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<v Speaker 3>something the USSI became dependent on to keep the country going,

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<v Speaker 3>ironic considering that now its Western European countries that are

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<v Speaker 3>the most dependent on Russia's gas exports. By nineteen eighty nine,

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<v Speaker 3>the Ministry of Gas was renamed as the State Gas

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<v Speaker 3>Concern Gazprom. The name Gazprom is a mix of two

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<v Speaker 3>words in Russian that simply means gas industry. The renamed

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<v Speaker 3>department was Gazprom in its infancy, as it became the

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<v Speaker 3>ussa's first state run corporation. When the USSR collapsed in

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen ninety one, most of Gazprom was transferred to state

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<v Speaker 3>owned companies and the assets remained in Russia. Everyone involved

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<v Speaker 3>formed a total gas sector monopoly. Gasprom grew rapidly, extending

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<v Speaker 3>its branches into many other industries, such as banking, media, security,

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<v Speaker 3>and oil. This monopolized, major state owned energy company exporting

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<v Speaker 3>internationally gave the Russian government big leverage. By two thousand

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<v Speaker 3>and seven, the number of Gazprom's personnel was more than

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<v Speaker 3>four hundred thousand people. It became the world's largest supplier

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<v Speaker 3>of natural gas, with an estimated annual net profit of

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<v Speaker 3>over nine billion dollars. By twenty twenty, Germany, Italy and

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<v Speaker 3>the Netherlands were Gazprom's biggest customers outside of regions within

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<v Speaker 3>the former Soviet Union.

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<v Speaker 1>By twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 3>Two, Gazprom was sporadically shutting off gas to Western Europe

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<v Speaker 3>as a threat to countries helping Ukraine resist Putin's invasion.

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<v Speaker 3>Putin allegedly owns four point five percent of Gazprom himself,

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<v Speaker 3>adding to his hidden fortune which is speculated to be

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<v Speaker 3>around round two hundred billion dollars. In twenty twenty twelve,

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<v Speaker 3>the independent Russian news outlet, The Moscow Times compared Gazprom

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<v Speaker 3>to an organized crime syndicate. They said, quote, Gazprom in

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<v Speaker 3>many ways is more important in advancing the Kremlin's foreign

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<v Speaker 3>policy than the Defense Ministry or the Foreign Ministry. In short,

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<v Speaker 3>the way Gazprom is run is an accurate model for

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<v Speaker 3>how Putin rules Russia. Since two thousand and one, Gazprom's

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<v Speaker 3>management has been dominated.

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<v Speaker 1>By three groups.

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<v Speaker 3>The CEO's young Saint Petersburg economists, a group of Saint

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<v Speaker 3>Petersburg KGB officers both closely linked to Putin, and the

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<v Speaker 3>third group of old Gazprom officials. Putin himself has arbitrated

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<v Speaker 3>between these three factions, preventing any one of them from

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<v Speaker 3>gaining the upper hand, using a classic divide and rule strategy.

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<v Speaker 3>Putin thus re obtains the ultimate responsibility for the company

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<v Speaker 3>end quote. The KGB that's mentioned in that quote was,

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<v Speaker 3>of course, the Soviet Union's notoriously brutal security and intelligence agency.

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<v Speaker 3>The spiritual successor to that is the FSB, the current

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<v Speaker 3>Russian security and intelligence agency. Many interchangeably refer to the

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<v Speaker 3>current day FSB as the KGB. Clearly, it's no secret

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<v Speaker 3>that Gazprom has a sizeable FSB Putin loyalist presence within

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<v Speaker 3>the inner circles, specifically in Saint Petersburg. But was Alexander

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<v Speaker 3>to Yolokov part of that It's possible turns out he

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<v Speaker 3>actually used to work for the FSB through the early nineties.

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<v Speaker 3>Then in nineteen ninety nine he began working for Gazprom

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<v Speaker 3>in where Saint Petersburg. A decade after that, in two

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<v Speaker 3>thousand and nine, he became Gazprom's deputy general director and

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<v Speaker 3>then deputy for Corporate Protection and personnel Management. I think

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<v Speaker 3>it's safe to say it's not unlikely that to your

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<v Speaker 3>Lokov at least had some proximity to this FSB circle

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<v Speaker 3>within Gazprom. It's worth noting that largely the FSB is

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<v Speaker 3>alleged to carry out any dirty work for the Kremlin,

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<v Speaker 3>including extra judicial violence. But what has all this got

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<v Speaker 3>to do with to your Lokov hanging himself in his garage.

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<v Speaker 1>There's more to this story.

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<v Speaker 3>Reports in the media from an unnamed witness at the

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<v Speaker 3>scene say that to your Locov returned home bruised and

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<v Speaker 3>beaten the day before he was found dead. He looked

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<v Speaker 3>as if someone had beaten him up. As we mentioned earlier,

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<v Speaker 3>to yu Lookov was the deputy general director of Gazprom's

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<v Speaker 3>Unified Settlement Center for Corporate security. Unified Settlement Center acts

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<v Speaker 3>as the Gazprom Treasury. According to journalist Matthew Cooper. There

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<v Speaker 3>were rumors in Russia that there were problems there. It's

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<v Speaker 3>alleged that a hole was found in a twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 3>one internal corporate audit, Cooper writes, quote, according to people

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<v Speaker 3>in the know, most likely to Ulokov's structure failed to

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<v Speaker 3>avoid sanctions losses which divided the life of a top

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<v Speaker 3>manager into before and after end quote. Still these are

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<v Speaker 3>just rumors. What isn't rumor, though, is the removal of

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<v Speaker 3>Alexander to Yulokov's photos from Gazprom files. When reporters from

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<v Speaker 3>Neveya Gazetta requested images of ta your Lokov from Gazprom

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<v Speaker 3>so that they could use it in their article, they'd

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<v Speaker 3>all been removed. Russian journalist Maxim Leonov wrote about this, saying, quote,

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<v Speaker 3>the central office of Gazprom said that they did not

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<v Speaker 3>have any information about an investigation into the death of

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<v Speaker 3>Alexander to your Lookov. At the same time, we were

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<v Speaker 3>not even able to obtain photographs of the deceased. One

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<v Speaker 3>of the employees of the press service of Gazprom admitted

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<v Speaker 3>that the photos of to your Lokov were removed from

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<v Speaker 3>their sites in order to prevent the spread of rumors

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<v Speaker 3>and to spare the nerves of the relatives and friends

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<v Speaker 3>of the victims end quote.

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<v Speaker 1>This is odd.

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<v Speaker 3>Why remove the photos and so quickly. Gazprom's reasoning is

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<v Speaker 3>that it could cause pain for the family if the

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<v Speaker 3>photos are left in the Gazprom files. I'd argue that

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<v Speaker 3>it's a lot more pain for the family if a

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<v Speaker 3>company erases their loved ones from the records immediately after

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<v Speaker 3>their suicide. This is what Gazprom did to Alexander to

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<v Speaker 3>your Lookov, after he'd worked there in a very prestigious

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<v Speaker 3>position for more than twenty years. They wiped him off

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<v Speaker 3>the face of the planet as far as Gazprom is concerned.

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<v Speaker 3>And not to mention the fact that Gazprom's security took

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<v Speaker 3>over the scene and pushed out the police, and yet

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<v Speaker 3>they said that they were unaware of any investigation into

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<v Speaker 3>Alexander to your Lokov's suicide. All of this, to me

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<v Speaker 3>seems even more unusual when you consider that Alexander to

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<v Speaker 3>your Lookov was not the first Gazprom suicide at the

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<v Speaker 3>so called Gazprom nest last year. On January twenty ninth,

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<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty two, Gazprom executive Leonid Shilman was found dead

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<v Speaker 3>at his home with both wrists slashed. A suicide note

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<v Speaker 3>was found next to his body. This occurred just twenty

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<v Speaker 3>seven days before Alexander to Yulokov was found dead in

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<v Speaker 3>the same area just down the road, also with a

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<v Speaker 3>suicide note next to his body. Reports are conflicting on

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<v Speaker 3>who found him. Some say it was his ex wife

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<v Speaker 3>and children, some say his girlfriend, and some say the

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<v Speaker 3>police were first to turn up. Leonid Shilman was the

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<v Speaker 3>head of transport services at the investment subsidiary of Gazprom. Shilman,

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<v Speaker 3>who was sixty years old when he died, lived in

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<v Speaker 3>an affluent gated community in the same area as to

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<v Speaker 3>your Lookov. Both were residents at Gazprom's nest. Shilman was

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<v Speaker 3>found dead in his bathroom with his wrist ouoken. According

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<v Speaker 3>to reports, utility knife was found by his side, as

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<v Speaker 3>well as the suicide notes. We looked at the police

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<v Speaker 3>photos from the scene. The bathroom has an all marble finish,

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<v Speaker 3>with the bath to the right.

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<v Speaker 1>Of the room.

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<v Speaker 3>The bathtub is filled around half way with blood and water.

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<v Speaker 3>Shulman's corpse is lying face down on the floor beside

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<v Speaker 3>the bath. Blood is smeared on the marble near his feet.

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<v Speaker 3>Shulman has a metal Ilizarov apparatus around the lower half

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<v Speaker 3>of the right leg. This is an external fixator which

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<v Speaker 3>stabilizes and holds broken bones into their correct position to

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<v Speaker 3>help them heal. Shulman had a complicated bone fracture after

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<v Speaker 3>a recent accident. The fixator on his leg appears to

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<v Speaker 3>be broken, with loose parts on the floor next to

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<v Speaker 3>Shulman's feet. Crutches are laid out on the floor across

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<v Speaker 3>the room, next to where Shulman's head is positioned. Shulman's

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<v Speaker 3>body appears to be laid out on top of towels

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<v Speaker 3>or a blanket. What's not visible in the photo is

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<v Speaker 3>the suicide note or the utility knife the Russian authorities

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<v Speaker 3>say Shulman killed himself with. We do, though, have other

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<v Speaker 3>police photos of the suicide note removed from the scene.

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<v Speaker 3>It was written in a notebook. Whether the photos of

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<v Speaker 3>the bathroom scene were taken after the note was removed,

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<v Speaker 3>or if it was out of shot, or if it

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't even there, we don't know. The following is from

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<v Speaker 3>Shulman's suicide notes, which was published in Russian media. Quote,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm tired of having to deal with constant medical treatment.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want to become an invalid or a burden.

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<v Speaker 3>Remember me as happy and cheerful. Yours, Lenya, Dad, thank

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<v Speaker 3>you Sunshine for everything.

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<v Speaker 1>PS.

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<v Speaker 3>I love you all ends quote. Lenya is short for Leonide.

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<v Speaker 3>There's more to the suicide note, but the rest has

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<v Speaker 3>been blurred out, presumably by the Russian authorities before it

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<v Speaker 3>was released publicly. According to this suicide note and Russian

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<v Speaker 3>state media reports, Shilman killed himself due to the complications

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<v Speaker 3>with his fractured right leg. Whilst we don't know if

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<v Speaker 3>there were further unknown medical problems with it, the fractured

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<v Speaker 3>leg alone seems an unusual reason to kill yourself as

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<v Speaker 3>a wealthy sixty year old. The elizard of apparatus he

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<v Speaker 3>had installed is painful, sure, but this can be somewhat

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<v Speaker 3>alleviated with medication. Shulman had money, he had access to

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<v Speaker 3>premium health care. He would have, of course, had access

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<v Speaker 3>to strong painkillers. Nevertheless, apparently he killed himself in the

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<v Speaker 3>bath by slitting both his wrists with a utility knife

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<v Speaker 3>also known as a Stanley knife or a box cutter.

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<v Speaker 3>Shulman then, perhaps in a bid to try and save himself,

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<v Speaker 3>climbed out of the bath before falling flat and dying

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<v Speaker 3>on the tiles. That's what the official story and the

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<v Speaker 3>police crime scene photos suggest. Anyway, as is with many

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<v Speaker 3>of these oligarch deaths, we've discovered that there's more to it.

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<v Speaker 3>Multiple Russian state backed media sources mentioned that there was

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<v Speaker 3>an internal investigation into the finances of vehicles in the

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<v Speaker 3>department that Shulman headed at Gazprom.

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<v Speaker 2>It seems like there was an investigation to why the

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<v Speaker 2>company was bleeding money. There was like a reshuffling in

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<v Speaker 2>I think twenty twenty or so, and it was kind

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<v Speaker 2>of promised, as you know, we will change the structure,

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<v Speaker 2>will change the higher ups, and the company is going

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<v Speaker 2>to get more profits. But instead it kept on dropping.

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<v Speaker 2>Perhaps one of those reasons that was identified was corruption. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>people are stealing money off, you know, the typical order

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<v Speaker 2>or some kind of repair order parts and half of

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<v Speaker 2>those parts aren't actually purchased, half of the money is pocketed.

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<v Speaker 2>It seems like Shuliman he was somewhere higher up in

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<v Speaker 2>the transport unit. He would have been the one responsible

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<v Speaker 2>for ordering any kind of repairs, approving deliveries, orders.

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<v Speaker 3>Surgery looked into an open source database online documenting these

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<v Speaker 3>orders in Shulman's department.

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<v Speaker 2>This one specifically is called jos Zakupac. Like gas prompts

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<v Speaker 2>purchasing portal, I guess, they show which purchases are made,

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<v Speaker 2>it shows when it was ordered, if it was repeated,

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<v Speaker 2>and then it shows the total price.

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<v Speaker 3>This is where evidence of corruption in Schulman's department is

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<v Speaker 3>set out in black and white.

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<v Speaker 2>On the order forms, two identical purchases were made for

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<v Speaker 2>repairs two months from each other for one point two

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<v Speaker 2>million rouble. So that's about fifteen thousand or sixteen thousand

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<v Speaker 2>US dollars kind of a lot for only two months

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<v Speaker 2>in between. Like, how many cars are you fixing? How

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<v Speaker 2>many cars are actually like needing this maintenance? Right, Schulman

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<v Speaker 2>would probably be the one that would like authorize this.

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<v Speaker 2>Perhaps he can make the order himself. This kind of

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<v Speaker 2>activity is pretty normal. You know, order something, skim half

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<v Speaker 2>of it, and just report that the entire order was

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<v Speaker 2>made and came but it doesn't exist.

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<v Speaker 3>So he potentially took about fifteen grand back com out

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<v Speaker 3>of that from doing absolutely nothing but faking some documents.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, just file a couple of extra reports,

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<v Speaker 2>file a couple electus I don't know, maintenance ledgers, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>say you fixed x many cars, say you get it

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<v Speaker 2>a couple more tires or whatever, you know, make it

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<v Speaker 2>look clean. It never actually happened, but I mean, who's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna really prove at that point? Is probably what they thought.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think they expected to have that investigation started.

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<v Speaker 2>From what I understand, the investigation was coming to a close.

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<v Speaker 2>They never it was in like a private internal investigation,

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<v Speaker 2>so not much details came out about it, but it

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<v Speaker 2>seems like around the time they died, the investigation was

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<v Speaker 2>coming to a close. Schulmann specifically was kind of aware

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<v Speaker 2>that he would be identified as the guy stealing money,

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<v Speaker 2>and maybe he offed himself. It's very possible that he

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<v Speaker 2>might have been made an example, you know, if you

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<v Speaker 2>steal from us is what happens. Mostly speculation, but the

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<v Speaker 2>factor remains that it's pretty weird circumstances, same village. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if they actually knew each other, but clearly

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<v Speaker 2>they worked in the same structure, like same company structure,

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<v Speaker 2>you know they I'm sure they knew of each other,

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<v Speaker 2>especially when they lives on nearby.

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<v Speaker 3>A pro Kremlin media outlet called the Moscow Post had

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<v Speaker 3>a reporter on the ground in the region where Shulman died.

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<v Speaker 3>They also speculate that he was stealing money from Gazprom

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<v Speaker 3>through the fake orders. They back this up with some

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<v Speaker 3>pretty convincing evidence, which if it's pro Kremlin media as

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<v Speaker 3>this is, it can be sort of considered almost as

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<v Speaker 3>a reworked press release from the state. This evidence shows

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<v Speaker 3>purchase orders from Shulman's department for parts for cars that

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<v Speaker 3>were purposely over christ Who did the extra money go to,

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<v Speaker 3>as Surgery just explained, probably Shulman. The Moscow Post also

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<v Speaker 3>shows that vehicles in Shulman's department were on paper excessively serviced.

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<v Speaker 3>Services were also overpriced. Seeing as Shulman was in charge

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<v Speaker 3>of all of this, he was quite likely the one

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<v Speaker 3>that skimming off the top. This I think leads to

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<v Speaker 3>three possible realities. One Shulman actually did kill himself due

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<v Speaker 3>to the pain in his leg. Two, Shulman killed himself

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<v Speaker 3>because he knew he might be going to prison after

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<v Speaker 3>stealing from Gazprom. And three, Shulman was murdered due to

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<v Speaker 3>his theft from Gazprom. Me and Surgery were speaking about

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<v Speaker 3>this specifically with regards to Putin's close proximity to Gazprom

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<v Speaker 3>and how he feels people engaged in corruption stealing right

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<v Speaker 3>out of his pocket.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember Putin talking about kind of selling Russia, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>what he described Ukraine as, right in twenty fourteen. He

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<v Speaker 2>says that like the politicians that did the whole revolution, well,

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<v Speaker 2>according to him, it was like all orchestrated, right, he's saying,

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<v Speaker 2>he calls that like selling out to the West, along

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<v Speaker 2>the lines of if you're stealing from Russia, you're a trader,

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<v Speaker 2>you're you're as bad as like those in the West,

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<v Speaker 2>et cetera, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think that would be a view he holds.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, although I don't think he sees it as

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<v Speaker 2>stealing from Russia. I think he sees as stealing it

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<v Speaker 2>from himself or kind of from his group.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like if you're going against the grain in his group,

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<v Speaker 2>you're wrong. Like, he doesn't care if he's stealing from

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<v Speaker 2>the Russian people, if he's taking money from you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Gasprom whatever other state company, like. I don't think that

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<v Speaker 2>phases him at all. It's when you do something that's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like I guess you think you did. You

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<v Speaker 2>had one over Putin himself, and I think that extends

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<v Speaker 2>just kind of culture, like it's embarrassing to him. And

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<v Speaker 2>if you embarrass him, that's like that's more than enough.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a very relevant theory. Remember, Putin allegedly owns

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<v Speaker 3>four point five percent of Gazprom himself. Gazprom is massive.

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<v Speaker 3>It holds around fifteen percent of all global gas reserves,

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<v Speaker 3>has branched off into banking, media, and oil, and now

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<v Speaker 3>even has its own paramilitary forces on the ground invading Ukraine.

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<v Speaker 3>Earlier this year, Putin lauded Gazprom in a video address

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<v Speaker 3>to the CEO. He said, quote, the whole of Russia

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<v Speaker 3>is proud of Gazprom. Over the previous thirty years, global

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<v Speaker 3>gas consumption has almost doubled, and in the next twenty years,

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<v Speaker 3>according to expert estimates, it will add at least another

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<v Speaker 3>twenty percent. Despite unfair competition direct attempts from the outside

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<v Speaker 3>to hinder and restrain its development, Gazprom is moving forward,

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<v Speaker 3>launching new projects end quote. It's clear Gazprom holds a

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<v Speaker 3>special place in Putin's heart. If someone steals from Gazprom,

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<v Speaker 3>they're quite literally stealing from part of his empire. Anyone

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<v Speaker 3>working relatively high up at Gazprom will know this. Leonid

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<v Speaker 3>Schumann would have known this. He took a risk and

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<v Speaker 3>was likely found out.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very possible that Leonid Schulmann just understood what it

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<v Speaker 2>meant if he was found out and he was kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like, you know what, fuck it, I'll do it myself.

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<v Speaker 2>Very possible. You know, he got into this knowing what

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<v Speaker 2>he's doing, who he's dealing with, and you know, there's

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<v Speaker 2>so many other cases of falling out of windows even

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<v Speaker 2>before all this. I think he knew what was coming. Probably,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's like an open secret that the way

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<v Speaker 2>Russia's run. I think a lot of people in Russia

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<v Speaker 2>understand that as well. But I think they still don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to air their dirty laundry completely.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm look at tu lack of February twenty fifth, right,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty two, literally the day I think it was

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<v Speaker 2>the morning of the invasion. It's pretty convenient timing. Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>Tu Lacos just kind of off himself, knowing the pressure

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<v Speaker 2>and what was coming. But February twenty fifth, he's found

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<v Speaker 2>beat up or at least very bruised. The previous day,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and then all of a sudden he takes

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<v Speaker 2>his life. You know, maybe maybe he just kind of

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<v Speaker 2>knew it was coming and decided to do it, or

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<v Speaker 2>they used the very big, you know, huge news that

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<v Speaker 2>was taking all over all the news media for the

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<v Speaker 2>next month or so, the Ukraine War. It's a great

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<v Speaker 2>thing to kind of squeeze in the death there. Nobody

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<v Speaker 2>would probably even notice notice.

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