WEBVTT - The Future of Smells

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<v Speaker 1>Brought to you by Toyota. Let's go places. Welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>Forward Thinking and Welcome to Forward Thinking, a podcast that

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<v Speaker 1>looks at the future. It says, can you smell what

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<v Speaker 1>the rock is cooking? Nine? Jonathan Strickland. I can't believed that.

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<v Speaker 1>M How are you all doing today? Tod? How about you? Joe?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a little nauseated sitting in a room with the

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<v Speaker 1>three of you, Jonathan, Lauren and Null, because at least

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<v Speaker 1>one of you smells bad, at least one. I just

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<v Speaker 1>I just showered this morning, like right before I came

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<v Speaker 1>into the office, I doused myself an ax body spring

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<v Speaker 1>that explains it clean. And yet, what are we even

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<v Speaker 1>talking about? Smell? Joe? Well, I was just kidding. You're

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<v Speaker 1>as spragrant as ever. Jonathan, I am no. I was

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<v Speaker 1>wondering about smells. Yeh. Is there a future for smells?

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<v Speaker 1>Because frankly, to me, smell is, you know, all all

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<v Speaker 1>of our senses are important, but it's sort of the

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<v Speaker 1>most superfluous one. It's not like I'm a dog and

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<v Speaker 1>I use smell to really navigate the world and find

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<v Speaker 1>the things that interest me, like piles of garbage and

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<v Speaker 1>something under a bunch of dead leaves. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's down there somewhere. No. I I don't really

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<v Speaker 1>use my sense of smell for all anything all that important.

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<v Speaker 1>So does it really matter in our lives? And I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know does it really have that much influence on

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<v Speaker 1>the way we see the world? Yes? All right, So

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<v Speaker 1>if you guys have any suggestions for future episodes of

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<v Speaker 1>forward Thinking, uh no, the short answer is is it absolutely?

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<v Speaker 1>And of course sorry, the follow up question is what's

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<v Speaker 1>the futurist smell? Well? Also, we wanted to mention that

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to be covering how smell can affect us

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<v Speaker 1>and to what extent that that we know of it

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<v Speaker 1>can affect us. And this is sort of part of

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<v Speaker 1>a it's a small part of a bigger discussion that

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to continue in a future episode about the

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<v Speaker 1>things that can influence our decision making processes and whether

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<v Speaker 1>the future is going to involve us uh consciously employing

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<v Speaker 1>those things to perhaps guide us to a brighter, happier future.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not at all orwellian um, Hey, those serious concerns

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<v Speaker 1>are for another day to you. We're going to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about stinky stuff and smells in the future of smelling. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>as we said, the word smell enough. The first thing

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<v Speaker 1>we need to do is actually establish how smell works.

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<v Speaker 1>And fortunately, you know, the three of us all work,

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<v Speaker 1>actually the four of us, because Noel's here to all

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<v Speaker 1>work that we're including our editor in our discussion today.

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<v Speaker 1>Apparently literally is acknowledging his work. Whatever. All four of

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<v Speaker 1>us work for how stuff Works dot com. And one

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<v Speaker 1>of the articles that you can find, one of the

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<v Speaker 1>many amazing articles you can find on there, is how

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<v Speaker 1>Smell Works by Sarah Dowdy. And uh, it's really interesting

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<v Speaker 1>to see how smell actually works. So we sense smells

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<v Speaker 1>using cells called chemo receptors. Yeah, they're in our nasal cavity.

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<v Speaker 1>It's kind of interesting to think about the ways that

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<v Speaker 1>you're different. Body senses are based on different types of

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<v Speaker 1>matter and energy. So your eyes are for the electromagnetic spectrum,

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<v Speaker 1>a particular part of it. Your ears are for vibrations

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<v Speaker 1>of matter in the air, right, actual physical phenomena. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and your nose and your tongue, so smell and taste

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<v Speaker 1>are for they're basically a chemistry set. Yeah, chemical particles. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they essentially the shape of a molecule. Pretty much. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean I'm oversimplifying. Yes, we think the shape of the

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<v Speaker 1>molecule largely defines what it smells and or tastes. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>So you have odorance, that's the stuff what stinks right, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>this would be the little stinky line coming out of

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<v Speaker 1>Peppy Lap you when you see those old cartoons. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>those stimulate the chemo receptors, which pass on electrical impulse

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<v Speaker 1>to the brain. The brain decodes that message and interprets

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<v Speaker 1>it as a specific odor, which leads us to the

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<v Speaker 1>perception of smell. So let's let's that's the big picture,

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<v Speaker 1>big picture, base level. Let it go straight into your

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<v Speaker 1>nose exactly. We're gonna we're gonna dive into the nose.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna pick it clean. Folks. Here we go. Alright, So,

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<v Speaker 1>like how you had to wind up to that one.

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<v Speaker 1>That's great. So you've got these olfactory receptor cells in

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<v Speaker 1>your nose. Uh, they are neurons. So these are a

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<v Speaker 1>type of neuron. Basically, anything in your body that's sensing

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<v Speaker 1>anything is neural. Yeah. So so the neurons are complete

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<v Speaker 1>wood and drites. That's typical. Expect that with the neuron.

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<v Speaker 1>Those are the little squidly things that kind of extend

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<v Speaker 1>to poke out. So they have the dentrits with these

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<v Speaker 1>particular cells have old factory hairs, which I'll talk about

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<v Speaker 1>in a second, and they line a part of your

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<v Speaker 1>nasal cavity. It's the olfactory epithelium. It's actually a very

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<v Speaker 1>small bit. It's maybe like an inch square over yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>inside inside your sna And then that's it. You do

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<v Speaker 1>all you're smelling with this tiny little bit here. That's it,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, mucus covers it, you know, good old snot

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<v Speaker 1>covers it, right, because mucus is actually a solvent for

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<v Speaker 1>many odorants. A lot of odorants are either alcohol or

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<v Speaker 1>water soluble um, and so so they help break down

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<v Speaker 1>any chemicals that happen to be floating around in the air, right,

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<v Speaker 1>so that your olfactories cells can actually interpret what that

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<v Speaker 1>is and thus send a signal to your brain of

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<v Speaker 1>what smell that is. Yeah, your mucus does stuff, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>cool stuff. That's stuff that's actually useful as opposed to

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<v Speaker 1>just making everything gross. Wait a minute, then I have

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<v Speaker 1>a question. How come when your nose is full of snot,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't smell super strong? Well at that point, at

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<v Speaker 1>that point, the covering is so great that nothing's getting

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<v Speaker 1>to the the olfactory sensor cells anyway. Okay, I see,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like a little goes along. It's a cruel joke,

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<v Speaker 1>is what it is. It's also cleaning off well, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>the basic function of that is is that it's trying

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<v Speaker 1>to get rid of any bad stuff that's gotten. It's

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<v Speaker 1>it's essentially trapping various types of external stuff that shouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>be there and trying to let you get rid of

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<v Speaker 1>it either by swallowing it or blowing out your nose. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>how that? How the cool is that? Walk me through

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<v Speaker 1>the love story of a chemical molecule and the and

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<v Speaker 1>the old factory cell in your nose? All right, here

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<v Speaker 1>we go. So you've got a volatile substance, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>So volatile substance is something that can easily turn into

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<v Speaker 1>a gas. Something that can't turn into a gas, something

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<v Speaker 1>that's non volatile doesn't really have a smell, yeah, because

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<v Speaker 1>it's not giving off anything for you to smell. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not actually getting in your nose. You can't get any

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<v Speaker 1>Brownian motion out of that staying in the stuff. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So the volatile stuff that it can turn to a

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<v Speaker 1>guess that's what gives off the odorants, which are essentially

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<v Speaker 1>just airborne molecules. Some of them find their way into

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<v Speaker 1>your nasal cavity. Now, the molecules bind with the olfactory

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<v Speaker 1>hairs that I talked about earlier. They're on those dendrites

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<v Speaker 1>of the receptor cells. The mucus dissolves the odorants that

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<v Speaker 1>need to be dissolved, and then the receptor cell is

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<v Speaker 1>stimulated by this molecule. And here's where we get into

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<v Speaker 1>some academic disagreement about what's going on. There have been

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of studies that have looked into the science

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<v Speaker 1>of smells, and the fact is, like a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>things with the brain, we don't have the full story yet,

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<v Speaker 1>so we don't necessarily know which of the various models

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<v Speaker 1>is the most correct. But according to Richard Axel and

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<v Speaker 1>Linda Buck, who did extensive research into old factory sensing,

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<v Speaker 1>they say, each receptor cell has only one type of

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<v Speaker 1>receptor and can only detect a small number of related molecules,

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<v Speaker 1>and it would respond more intensely to some molecules than other.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's say that it's ideal for sensing molecule A,

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<v Speaker 1>but it can also sense molecules Z and B. But

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<v Speaker 1>when molecule A hits it, it gets a really strong sense,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you would be able to perceive that smell

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<v Speaker 1>really well. If it's Z or B, it still reacts,

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<v Speaker 1>but not at the same intensity as it would if

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<v Speaker 1>it were molecule A. All right, that's that's their their hypothesis.

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<v Speaker 1>And so essentially you would have a lot of specialized

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<v Speaker 1>receptor cells, lots of different types in your nasal cavity.

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<v Speaker 1>Otherwise you would only be able to detect us very

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<v Speaker 1>small number of smells. But obviously we can detect a

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<v Speaker 1>fairly wide range, not as wide as some other animals,

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<v Speaker 1>but but pretty impressive. And they also found that three

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<v Speaker 1>percent of human genes are coded for olfactory receptor types.

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<v Speaker 1>Pretty impressive when you consider it. Like again, like you

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<v Speaker 1>were saying, Joe, we perceive smell as being not that

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<v Speaker 1>important compared to some of our other senses, but you

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<v Speaker 1>know from it sid or hearing, from a genetic standpoint,

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<v Speaker 1>it's pretty important. Um. Meanwhile, Luca Turin has an alternative

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<v Speaker 1>hypothesis and suggest that instead of a large number of

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<v Speaker 1>specialized olfactory receptor cells, we may have fewer specialized cells,

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<v Speaker 1>like a smaller number of specializations that can detect a

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<v Speaker 1>wider spectrum of odors through quantum vibration. That sounds like

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<v Speaker 1>one of those things made up in the screenplay to

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<v Speaker 1>explain Captain America's arm reverse the polarity, that kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>So in this sense, it would be the actual vibration

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<v Speaker 1>of the molecule itself and less about the shape of

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<v Speaker 1>the molecule, although even Turin does not go so far

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<v Speaker 1>as to say the molecular shape doesn't matter. The principal

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<v Speaker 1>hypothesis is that the quantum vibration is what ultimately determines

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<v Speaker 1>the signal that gets sent to the brain. At any rate,

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<v Speaker 1>a signal gets sent to the brain, and then your

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<v Speaker 1>brain ends up interpreting what that signal actually is. That's

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<v Speaker 1>pretty cool. But what I was actually wondering about this

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<v Speaker 1>about the sense of smell and the future of the

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<v Speaker 1>sense of smell, is the more we understand about our

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<v Speaker 1>bodies and brains, is there a reason to think that

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<v Speaker 1>we might be discovering the sense of smell is actually

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<v Speaker 1>more important to humans than we realize. It definitely is

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<v Speaker 1>very influential. Oh sure, well, I mean the thing is

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<v Speaker 1>that when it gets into your brain, it's not just

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<v Speaker 1>your brain going like that's an orange. It's your brain

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<v Speaker 1>going that's an orange, and I have feelings about it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>as it turns out putting it. You know, when we

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<v Speaker 1>say it sends messages to the brain, we're not talking

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<v Speaker 1>about it just throws a message at the brain and

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<v Speaker 1>hopes that it gets to where it needs to go.

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<v Speaker 1>Those messages go to a specific location. The olfactory bulb,

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<v Speaker 1>which is part of the limbic system limit system, has

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of other really important parts in it, like

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<v Speaker 1>a the campus memories, right yeah, yeah, it helps you

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<v Speaker 1>form associations specifically, and the magdala. We've got some important

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<v Speaker 1>parts here. These are These are all parts of the

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<v Speaker 1>brain that we tend to to associate with things like memory, mood, emotions,

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<v Speaker 1>the In fact, the limbic system often a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people call it the emotional part of the brain. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So smell is right there with it. Now, don't go

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<v Speaker 1>so far as to suggest that smell and memory are

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<v Speaker 1>are directly entwined where they have a one to one relationship. However,

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<v Speaker 1>smells can be associated with memory in a way that's

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<v Speaker 1>very tightly correlated. It's not um you know, you don't

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't say that a smell automatically creates a memory. But

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<v Speaker 1>if you're creating a memory, like if you are committing

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<v Speaker 1>something to a memory, you're creating that neural pathway for

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<v Speaker 1>the first time, and as smells associated with it, then

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<v Speaker 1>the next time you encounter that smell can trigger the memory. Exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>You've probably experienced this yourself if you smell something that

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<v Speaker 1>you're that your grandmother specifically cooks and you had this

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<v Speaker 1>this wonderful childhood memory of of of eating dinner with

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<v Speaker 1>your grandparents then or you know, just just just different,

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<v Speaker 1>different smells all the time. I can tell you, I

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<v Speaker 1>can tell you the one of the most powerful, uh

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<v Speaker 1>emotional reactions I have from a smell that I encountered

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<v Speaker 1>first when I was a kid, which is the smell

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<v Speaker 1>of a chlorinated indoor pool. As soon as I smell that,

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<v Speaker 1>I go back to when I was a kid taking

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<v Speaker 1>swimming lessons for the first time. I took swimming lessons

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<v Speaker 1>in an indoor pool at what was then Gainesville College.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not part of the University of Georgia system. And

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<v Speaker 1>it was a very stressful kind of traumatic experience for

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<v Speaker 1>me when it first started. And then I ended up

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely loving it by the time it was over. So

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<v Speaker 1>when I encounter the smell, I actually do feel a

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<v Speaker 1>sense of physical apprehension. And even if I'm not, like,

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<v Speaker 1>if if I go through any sort of gem that

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<v Speaker 1>has that kind of like they have an indoor pool

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever, and I just walked by, it instantly triggers

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<v Speaker 1>that memory of five year old Jonathan, Uh, scared stiff

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<v Speaker 1>about jumping in water that's over his head. But it's

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's just it's true. It even now I

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<v Speaker 1>am many years separated from five year old Jonathan, but

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<v Speaker 1>it still happens. Yeah. For me, it's a charcoal grill

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<v Speaker 1>on a summer day takes me back to childhood. I

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<v Speaker 1>feel I feel like I want a dill pickle. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>that's cool, that's a very that's a very sweet memory. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just one of those things where like, and of

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<v Speaker 1>course there are other smells that do this for me

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<v Speaker 1>as as well. It's just the pool one is so like,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just so vibrant. And even knowing that my memories

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<v Speaker 1>of that time are not accurate, We've discussed this, how

0:13:47.160 --> 0:13:50.960
<v Speaker 1>memories are fallible. You cannot count on a memory being

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<v Speaker 1>an exact representation of what really happened to you in

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<v Speaker 1>some past event. Even knowing that it's still very evocative.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yeah, it's really hard to to separate those out. Um.

0:14:03.520 --> 0:14:05.760
<v Speaker 1>But you don't have to take our word for it. No,

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<v Speaker 1>there are actual scientific studies that have shown how how

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<v Speaker 1>smell can affect not just memory, but our moods overall

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<v Speaker 1>and and our emotions. So I read about this one

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<v Speaker 1>study that was conducted by Rutgers University psychology professor Jeannette

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<v Speaker 1>Havevilyn Jones, and she used floral sense in an experiment

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<v Speaker 1>in which people were to describe three life events, one

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<v Speaker 1>in the distant past, one in their near past, and

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<v Speaker 1>one potential event in their future, so something that could

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<v Speaker 1>be possible down the line. And they also had to

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<v Speaker 1>interact with the mind. Terrifying right now, they interact with

0:14:43.360 --> 0:14:45.000
<v Speaker 1>the mind. They had to interact with the mind. There

0:14:45.040 --> 0:14:49.000
<v Speaker 1>there could this interaction be described as running away. It

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<v Speaker 1>could have been, in fact, and I'll get to something

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<v Speaker 1>that's similar to that in a second. Now that the

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<v Speaker 1>the direction they were given was to instruct the mind

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<v Speaker 1>to act out an emotion aociated with the memory from

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<v Speaker 1>their distant past, so a childhood memory that was the

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<v Speaker 1>direction they got. So they had a they had a

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<v Speaker 1>control room that was a neutral scent there was no

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<v Speaker 1>scent there, and they had the experimental room that had

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<v Speaker 1>a floral scent pumped into it. And they found that

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<v Speaker 1>the subjects who were in the floral scented room described

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<v Speaker 1>their memories and the possible future event with more positive

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<v Speaker 1>and happy language. They actually would went through all the

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<v Speaker 1>descriptions and flagged all the words that had any kind

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<v Speaker 1>of emotional attachment to them, And they discovered that those

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<v Speaker 1>who were in that floral scented room were more positive

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<v Speaker 1>and happy with their accounts, and the ones in the

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<v Speaker 1>neutral room used less frequently they would use that language,

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<v Speaker 1>they might use more neutral or even negative language in

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<v Speaker 1>some of their memories. And when it came to the

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<v Speaker 1>interaction with the mine, they found that the participants in

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<v Speaker 1>the floral scented room would move toward or actually touched

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<v Speaker 1>the mind in order to instruct how to act out

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<v Speaker 1>this emotion, whereas only fift pent of the folks in

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<v Speaker 1>the neutral room did. Yeah. So, now, granted, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you gotta keep in mind, like I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know how large the sample sizes were, right, but still

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<v Speaker 1>very interesting. And the conclusion here is that sense can

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<v Speaker 1>shape our moods. And here's the crazy thing. You remember

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<v Speaker 1>I said that there was that one room that was

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<v Speaker 1>neutral and one room that had that floral scent. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>the floral set was actually undetectable. The scent was there,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was below the threshold of human detection. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't even have to be conscious of the scent

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<v Speaker 1>for it to affect you. And that's what I thought

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<v Speaker 1>was amazing. These smells can be what's you know, there's

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<v Speaker 1>subliminal smells. You don't even know about it. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's so faint as to be undetectable, and it can

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<v Speaker 1>still affect our behavior and decision making. So another study

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<v Speaker 1>that shows this was a Northwestern University Uh well, actually

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry. Northwestern University cited the study. It was published

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<v Speaker 1>in Psychological Science, in which subjects were presented with a

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<v Speaker 1>neutral face. They would look at the really a series

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<v Speaker 1>of neutral faces? Is there really such a thing as

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<v Speaker 1>a neutral face? If you play Dungeons and Dragons, there

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<v Speaker 1>is a series of neutral faces, so that I assume

0:17:14.760 --> 0:17:21.400
<v Speaker 1>they mean expressionless, chaotic neutral face. There's there's a there's

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<v Speaker 1>an expressions yea, or or possibly an open screen, but

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<v Speaker 1>at anyway, these were expressionless faces, a series of them,

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<v Speaker 1>and you had again a control group and an experimental group.

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<v Speaker 1>The experimental subjects were exposed to a sub threshold scent,

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<v Speaker 1>and that scent could either be pleasant so that was

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<v Speaker 1>like a citrusy sort of lemony scent another subliminal scent,

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<v Speaker 1>or it could be an unpleasant scent, which was described

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<v Speaker 1>as being sweaty. I guess, so if you could actually

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<v Speaker 1>smell it, it would be pretty nasty. But again it

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<v Speaker 1>was below detectable levels, and the study on that those

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<v Speaker 1>who breathe in the pleasant scent commented that the neutral

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<v Speaker 1>face was likable. They said, you know, this is a

0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:08.040
<v Speaker 1>likable sort of person. They'd go through the the different

0:18:08.040 --> 0:18:10.600
<v Speaker 1>faces and that be their reaction, and those who smelled

0:18:10.640 --> 0:18:13.080
<v Speaker 1>the sweaty one will be less likely said it's not

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<v Speaker 1>so likable an unpleasant person. So again the conclusion appears

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<v Speaker 1>to be that these smells that we cannot necessarily consciously

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<v Speaker 1>detect can still affect our moods and thus affect our

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<v Speaker 1>impressions of things that we see and encounter. Sure, I

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<v Speaker 1>see where you're going, but but does that have any effect.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean on larger issues, like like our actual decision

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<v Speaker 1>making processes. Let me let me paint a scenario. Just

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<v Speaker 1>this is this is going to take smell out of

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<v Speaker 1>the equation. Let me just paint a scenario. Let's say

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<v Speaker 1>you have had an amazing day like it has just

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<v Speaker 1>everything has gone well for you. You're feeling good, positive

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<v Speaker 1>about yourself, You've got great self image. Everything is. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just one of those days where you're just happy. It's

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<v Speaker 1>been nothing but green lights and eyebrow compliments. That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>Strangers on the street coming up to you offering free

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<v Speaker 1>shrimp cocktail at some point. That's not a great day

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<v Speaker 1>in Atlanta. Necessarily, especially on a summer day in Atlanta.

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<v Speaker 1>You do not want shrimp cocktail. Um, but I'm saying,

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<v Speaker 1>well iced, you know, alright, cocktail sauce. Let me get

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<v Speaker 1>to my point here. And anyway, you have an amazing

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<v Speaker 1>day and at the end of that day, someone approaches

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<v Speaker 1>you and asks if you would like to donate to

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<v Speaker 1>a cause that you actually do support. You might be

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<v Speaker 1>likely to actually do that because you're feeling great, You're

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<v Speaker 1>in a very positive mood, and you want to do something.

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<v Speaker 1>You want to pay it forward. You want to keep

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<v Speaker 1>this positive stuff going. Now, let's say you've had the

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<v Speaker 1>worst day ever. It's just been awful. Everything's gone wrong,

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<v Speaker 1>all red lights, rainy day, outside boss has chewed you

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<v Speaker 1>out for something that was totally not your fault. Random

0:19:58.760 --> 0:20:01.480
<v Speaker 1>stranger on the street offered you really bad shrimp cocktail.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody liked your eyebrows. No one liked your eyebrows. It's

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<v Speaker 1>the worst day ever. And you come home and your

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<v Speaker 1>encounter you encounter that person and it may still be

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<v Speaker 1>a cause that you really believe in, but your mood

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<v Speaker 1>is so bad that you may be less likely to

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<v Speaker 1>support it because you're kind of wrapped up in this

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<v Speaker 1>really crappy mood you're in. And yeah, you say, you say,

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<v Speaker 1>screw those hedgehogs. I am not donating, they're rescuing. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>I will kick a hedgehog if there was one in

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<v Speaker 1>front of me, And you wouldn't really do it, but

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<v Speaker 1>you're thinking it because you're just in such a rotten mood. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>But one of the things about that scenario you've described

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<v Speaker 1>is that we're usually conscious enough to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>recognize that our emotions are influencing our decision making. In

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<v Speaker 1>a situation like that and in extremes perhaps, yes, and

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<v Speaker 1>that was an example of extremes obvious. No, no, no, no no,

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<v Speaker 1>I think we're going in the same direction here, So

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<v Speaker 1>you might not donate to something that later you think, Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I really should have given. I was just

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<v Speaker 1>in a bad mood. I've had a bad day. You

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<v Speaker 1>hear people use I've had a bad day as an

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<v Speaker 1>excuse for their behavior all the time. Yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they realize that it changes what kind of person they are.

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<v Speaker 1>But when we have our behavior affected by subliminal stimula, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>when you're unaware that there's even something affecting your behavior,

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<v Speaker 1>you could actually be put into something like that bad

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<v Speaker 1>mood position without knowing you've been there. You don't recognize

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<v Speaker 1>that you've had your behavior altered in such a way.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is what's leading us to the power of

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<v Speaker 1>smell and its effect on our ability to make decisions. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>one thing about decisions is a lot of our decisions

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<v Speaker 1>are based upon our memories. Right. We we remember previous

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<v Speaker 1>events that are at least in some way analogous to

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<v Speaker 1>our current situation, and then we end up making a

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<v Speaker 1>decision based on that and it may not be something

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<v Speaker 1>that's directly from our past. It may be a story

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<v Speaker 1>we heard from a friend. So for example, let's say

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<v Speaker 1>I'm out looking for a place to eat and I

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<v Speaker 1>happen to see a restaurant, or maybe even I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>walking around and I decide I want a particular type

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<v Speaker 1>of food because I'm smelling it, but I don't even

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<v Speaker 1>realize it, and I think back to a story of

0:22:13.840 --> 0:22:17.840
<v Speaker 1>friend told about having horrible food poisoning with this one

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<v Speaker 1>particular type of food, and then I'm like, oh no,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe I don't want to go there. It In part

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<v Speaker 1>of it, it means that the smells might trigger certain memories,

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<v Speaker 1>which in a in turn can affect our current decisions.

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<v Speaker 1>And maybe we have a spectrum of memories about that

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<v Speaker 1>particular subject, but the smell is triggering specific memories within

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<v Speaker 1>that spectrum and not triggering other memories. Thus it's influencing

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<v Speaker 1>us to one choice over the other choices. That's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of an interesting way to think about it. But just

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<v Speaker 1>imagine that you're in a situation where you have to

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<v Speaker 1>make a decision and you have several choices ahead of you.

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<v Speaker 1>In your past, you've got plenty of experience that would

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<v Speaker 1>have a pretty comp lex decision making process. But because

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<v Speaker 1>of a certain scent, you are leaning towards just a

0:23:06.000 --> 0:23:08.320
<v Speaker 1>couple of those memories, and that's what influences you to

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<v Speaker 1>make your choice. The choice isn't even up to you,

0:23:11.400 --> 0:23:14.440
<v Speaker 1>it's up to the damn smell and the memory. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>like we were saying, moods also affect our decision making process.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I used the two extreme examples, but that

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<v Speaker 1>would end up causing us not necessarily to to definitively

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<v Speaker 1>make one choice over the other. I'm not trying to

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<v Speaker 1>suggest that free will doesn't exist and we are all

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<v Speaker 1>whims to the external influences around us, but that's probably

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<v Speaker 1>true there they are at least influential, right, And I've

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<v Speaker 1>even seen some people who suggest, hey, as long as

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<v Speaker 1>you're aware of it, it's okay. But as we've already established,

0:23:47.840 --> 0:23:49.840
<v Speaker 1>you don't have to be aware of it, right. It

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<v Speaker 1>can be below that threshold and still affect you, So

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<v Speaker 1>being aware of it is not really that's moot at

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<v Speaker 1>this point. Not if someone's pumping enough scent for you

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<v Speaker 1>to pick up on it. Sure you could say, oh,

0:24:03.359 --> 0:24:05.760
<v Speaker 1>I smell that, but can be like, hey, realtor you're

0:24:05.800 --> 0:24:08.359
<v Speaker 1>totally baking chocolate chip cookies or at least have a

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<v Speaker 1>candle it right, So then I'll end up buying this

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<v Speaker 1>house then that I don't want. I think they have

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<v Speaker 1>a spritzer can of chocolate chip cookie smell. Yeah, man,

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<v Speaker 1>I need that. Let me look it up, right? We

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<v Speaker 1>should we should do another We should do another show

0:24:21.720 --> 0:24:24.800
<v Speaker 1>about how how that stuff works, because that is fascinating.

0:24:25.080 --> 0:24:29.160
<v Speaker 1>We actually could. I think that would be a great video, honestly. Okay,

0:24:29.240 --> 0:24:32.399
<v Speaker 1>so we've got an idea now, chocolate chip cookie spray.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm finding it back. That's just awful. Now wait if

0:24:36.480 --> 0:24:41.440
<v Speaker 1>that actually sprays chocolate chip cookies, it's awesome. I I

0:24:41.480 --> 0:24:44.880
<v Speaker 1>don't need air sool eyes chocolate chip cookies. You do,

0:24:45.080 --> 0:24:47.359
<v Speaker 1>because that way you get a baking sheet. You just go.

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<v Speaker 1>I do not believe in food coming in spray cans.

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<v Speaker 1>This calls itself cologne spray, but it's chocolate chip cookie

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<v Speaker 1>by Demeter for women. I'm looking online at any ray.

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<v Speaker 1>Imperceptible odors can influence us, so awareness is not really

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<v Speaker 1>a factor. Right. We might end up being influenced in

0:25:06.680 --> 0:25:10.720
<v Speaker 1>ways that we cannot be aware of. We're incapable of it.

0:25:10.760 --> 0:25:14.399
<v Speaker 1>Where our consciousness cannot detect that level. It makes you

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<v Speaker 1>wonder how much we've got corporate scientists doing a secret

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<v Speaker 1>little experiments to study exactly how they can tweak our

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<v Speaker 1>behavior in the store. There are certainly rumors about that

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<v Speaker 1>going on. Well, yeah, I mean like there's there's the

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<v Speaker 1>story about uh. And I should say this is a

0:25:31.280 --> 0:25:33.720
<v Speaker 1>story that I haven't corroborated. I have not actually done

0:25:33.720 --> 0:25:36.320
<v Speaker 1>the research. But the story about Disney pumping in the

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<v Speaker 1>smell of fresh baked cookies in Main Street, USA to

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<v Speaker 1>give that kind of home feeling as you're walking down now, grant,

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<v Speaker 1>I imagine that's a perceptible level of cookie smell, and

0:25:47.920 --> 0:25:51.119
<v Speaker 1>not necessarily the below the threshold, because there are a

0:25:51.119 --> 0:25:53.359
<v Speaker 1>lot of other smells you're gonna encounter in a in

0:25:53.400 --> 0:25:55.840
<v Speaker 1>a group of people that large, especially if you have

0:25:55.920 --> 0:25:58.640
<v Speaker 1>to be going to say the Magic Kingdom and Walt

0:25:58.640 --> 0:26:01.200
<v Speaker 1>Disney World Florida and the middle of summer, You're gonna

0:26:01.320 --> 0:26:04.120
<v Speaker 1>get a lot of smells. That's all I'm saying. Um,

0:26:04.280 --> 0:26:07.280
<v Speaker 1>some block for example, as a as a not totally

0:26:07.280 --> 0:26:10.800
<v Speaker 1>gross version, Yeah, yeah, some pleasant smells or at least

0:26:10.840 --> 0:26:14.639
<v Speaker 1>neutral smells, right, But there are plenty of examples of

0:26:14.680 --> 0:26:18.280
<v Speaker 1>people using smells, whether perceptible or not, to try and

0:26:18.359 --> 0:26:23.440
<v Speaker 1>influence people's behaviors. Marketers are using it a lot. In fact,

0:26:23.520 --> 0:26:26.040
<v Speaker 1>they you know you'll hear about We mentioned the real

0:26:26.160 --> 0:26:29.920
<v Speaker 1>estate agents using that cookie smell or baked bread smell

0:26:30.000 --> 0:26:32.560
<v Speaker 1>to kind of create a sense of home when you

0:26:32.640 --> 0:26:35.919
<v Speaker 1>when they're showing off a house to a prospective buyer.

0:26:36.680 --> 0:26:39.320
<v Speaker 1>What about retail, like, if you actually go in a store,

0:26:39.800 --> 0:26:42.359
<v Speaker 1>what do you make somebody smell to get them to

0:26:42.400 --> 0:26:47.359
<v Speaker 1>buy your junk Nike? Actually, they funded a study to

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<v Speaker 1>look into this, and the study found that by pumping

0:26:51.359 --> 0:26:55.560
<v Speaker 1>in a floral scent into a store, you would inspire

0:26:55.600 --> 0:27:00.600
<v Speaker 1>customers to buy more shoes, and more more expensive shoes.

0:27:01.640 --> 0:27:07.440
<v Speaker 1>So you go into a shoe store too. Unrelated statements, No,

0:27:07.560 --> 0:27:10.320
<v Speaker 1>I was specifically yes, Yes, I had, I had. I

0:27:10.359 --> 0:27:15.680
<v Speaker 1>had one specific point following Joe, I'm glad you. I'm

0:27:15.680 --> 0:27:18.560
<v Speaker 1>glad you make the observation Lauren, because that is important.

0:27:19.040 --> 0:27:22.520
<v Speaker 1>Lawrens just trying to get some free Nikes. I you

0:27:22.560 --> 0:27:27.160
<v Speaker 1>know I wouldn't not take I'm gonna have to parse

0:27:27.200 --> 0:27:29.400
<v Speaker 1>that sentence in a second. I get all my Nikes

0:27:29.480 --> 0:27:36.840
<v Speaker 1>from the dark. Webb explains why you always get like

0:27:36.880 --> 0:27:41.679
<v Speaker 1>two that are are for the left foot. The swooshes

0:27:41.720 --> 0:27:46.399
<v Speaker 1>backwards at any rate. Nike found, according to the or

0:27:46.400 --> 0:27:49.399
<v Speaker 1>at least the people who performed the study, found that

0:27:49.480 --> 0:27:53.800
<v Speaker 1>this floral scent would inspire people to spend more money.

0:27:54.040 --> 0:27:56.800
<v Speaker 1>And in fact, that's something that I've seen repeated in

0:27:57.000 --> 0:28:01.720
<v Speaker 1>another example. Although I hastened to add I could not

0:28:01.920 --> 0:28:05.960
<v Speaker 1>find the specific source of this fact, so it could

0:28:06.040 --> 0:28:11.800
<v Speaker 1>be apocryphal. But the share gossip at me. It was

0:28:11.880 --> 0:28:15.600
<v Speaker 1>it was that the Las Vegas Hilton, which is now

0:28:15.720 --> 0:28:18.280
<v Speaker 1>called Westgate. It was Las Vegas Hilton, then it was

0:28:18.680 --> 0:28:20.960
<v Speaker 1>l v H. That was Las Vegas Hotel, now it's Westgate.

0:28:21.720 --> 0:28:26.200
<v Speaker 1>Uh found that pumping in floral sense encouraged gambling. It actually,

0:28:26.720 --> 0:28:30.280
<v Speaker 1>uh it resulted in gambler spending fifty more time at

0:28:30.320 --> 0:28:34.840
<v Speaker 1>slot machines when the sense were present, So the idea

0:28:34.920 --> 0:28:39.120
<v Speaker 1>being apparently that it made people happy and motivated to

0:28:39.280 --> 0:28:44.880
<v Speaker 1>continue gambling, to continue plunking coins into slot machines. You know,

0:28:45.040 --> 0:28:48.600
<v Speaker 1>as we learn more about how smells influence our brains

0:28:48.760 --> 0:28:52.760
<v Speaker 1>for positive or negative purposes, or maybe for a purpose

0:28:52.840 --> 0:28:54.960
<v Speaker 1>that you know, you might be conflicted about, like would

0:28:54.960 --> 0:28:57.040
<v Speaker 1>you call it positive or negative that you can make

0:28:57.120 --> 0:29:01.560
<v Speaker 1>somebody more likely to buy something. It makes you wonder

0:29:02.200 --> 0:29:05.480
<v Speaker 1>how fine tuned we can get with the way we

0:29:05.600 --> 0:29:09.520
<v Speaker 1>manage people's behavior through sense, and if it will be

0:29:09.560 --> 0:29:12.160
<v Speaker 1>a thing in the future for you know, people with

0:29:12.240 --> 0:29:16.720
<v Speaker 1>a very solid base of smell, you know, behavioral science

0:29:16.760 --> 0:29:20.240
<v Speaker 1>based on smells, that they're going to be pumping artificial

0:29:20.320 --> 0:29:23.120
<v Speaker 1>sense out all over the place to try to get

0:29:23.160 --> 0:29:25.600
<v Speaker 1>you to behave the way they want, you know, like

0:29:25.600 --> 0:29:28.120
<v Speaker 1>like I, I want to make someone feel happy but

0:29:28.200 --> 0:29:31.960
<v Speaker 1>in a slightly self conscious way and therefore need to

0:29:31.960 --> 0:29:36.040
<v Speaker 1>buy way more stuff that will help them be better. So, yeah,

0:29:36.040 --> 0:29:39.360
<v Speaker 1>the way we imagine this happening today is like in

0:29:39.400 --> 0:29:44.240
<v Speaker 1>physical spaces like stores. Okay, so you you understand that

0:29:44.480 --> 0:29:48.400
<v Speaker 1>maybe when you go into a hardware store, they're going

0:29:48.440 --> 0:29:51.480
<v Speaker 1>to encourage you to buy an extra set of two

0:29:51.480 --> 0:29:55.400
<v Speaker 1>by fours and and an extra chainsaw and a wheelbarrow

0:29:56.000 --> 0:29:59.160
<v Speaker 1>by pumping in the smell of flowers or baking chocolate

0:29:59.240 --> 0:30:01.640
<v Speaker 1>chip cookies. They might have a good stock of science

0:30:01.640 --> 0:30:04.120
<v Speaker 1>they're working on and they know that this gets results.

0:30:04.640 --> 0:30:07.640
<v Speaker 1>But I wonder how much this can be capitalized on

0:30:07.640 --> 0:30:14.920
<v Speaker 1>once we have artificial smell generating media devices once we

0:30:14.960 --> 0:30:17.520
<v Speaker 1>have that people are working on that thing. Well, I

0:30:17.520 --> 0:30:19.280
<v Speaker 1>mean people have been working on that kind of thing

0:30:19.320 --> 0:30:22.600
<v Speaker 1>for years with ridiculous junk like the smell O Vision

0:30:22.880 --> 0:30:26.400
<v Speaker 1>or the sense O Rama. That was that virtual reality

0:30:26.440 --> 0:30:29.320
<v Speaker 1>thing that would blow sense of like things like like

0:30:29.400 --> 0:30:31.600
<v Speaker 1>evergreen sense in your face as you were looking at

0:30:31.600 --> 0:30:34.680
<v Speaker 1>evergreen footage in this video screen. Sure, and and I

0:30:34.680 --> 0:30:36.400
<v Speaker 1>guess a lot of like like the rides of Disney

0:30:36.400 --> 0:30:40.640
<v Speaker 1>World have that kind of thing, and then some of

0:30:40.640 --> 0:30:43.800
<v Speaker 1>the epcut stuff too, like the smell of charcoal or

0:30:43.880 --> 0:30:47.880
<v Speaker 1>oranges and um, the big golf ball. Yeah, man, you

0:30:47.960 --> 0:30:50.920
<v Speaker 1>all really know about your Disney sense. I've been been

0:30:50.960 --> 0:30:54.960
<v Speaker 1>there a lot. Okay, Well anyway, No, so this isn't

0:30:54.960 --> 0:30:57.760
<v Speaker 1>exactly anything new. It's just more that, yes, people are

0:30:57.800 --> 0:31:01.760
<v Speaker 1>still trying to create electronic media of devices that generate smells.

0:31:02.240 --> 0:31:04.840
<v Speaker 1>And one of the most recent versions of this was

0:31:04.880 --> 0:31:06.680
<v Speaker 1>something I was reading about the other day. I was

0:31:06.720 --> 0:31:09.120
<v Speaker 1>trying to make sure this wasn't some kind of elaborate

0:31:09.440 --> 0:31:12.120
<v Speaker 1>April Fools Day joke or hoax, but I checked the

0:31:12.240 --> 0:31:14.760
<v Speaker 1>dates on these articles that they were not April one,

0:31:14.960 --> 0:31:17.400
<v Speaker 1>So I think this is all for real. It's a

0:31:17.480 --> 0:31:20.840
<v Speaker 1>project that as far as I can tell, is for real,

0:31:20.880 --> 0:31:25.080
<v Speaker 1>and it's led by the biomedical engineer David Edwards of Harvard.

0:31:25.640 --> 0:31:29.920
<v Speaker 1>He's been promoting a device called the O phone, or

0:31:30.000 --> 0:31:32.920
<v Speaker 1>in the most recent the O phone, or the Phone

0:31:33.040 --> 0:31:36.520
<v Speaker 1>duo or in the most recent incarnation, I think it's

0:31:36.560 --> 0:31:43.680
<v Speaker 1>just been reduced to the OH notes odor So I

0:31:43.720 --> 0:31:46.920
<v Speaker 1>think so, yeah, oder phone, Yes, it would be. This

0:31:46.960 --> 0:31:51.160
<v Speaker 1>would be an electronic device that supplies you with tiny

0:31:51.160 --> 0:31:56.080
<v Speaker 1>bursts of carefully engineered since which are contained on things

0:31:56.120 --> 0:32:00.240
<v Speaker 1>called OH chips. There were a few articles about this

0:32:00.320 --> 0:32:03.400
<v Speaker 1>last year because they launched an indie go go campaign

0:32:03.480 --> 0:32:05.680
<v Speaker 1>to try to get some funding. I don't think they

0:32:05.760 --> 0:32:08.640
<v Speaker 1>achieved their funding goal, but as far as I can tell,

0:32:08.640 --> 0:32:11.640
<v Speaker 1>they're still trying to go through with this project and

0:32:11.920 --> 0:32:13.880
<v Speaker 1>whatever you want to call it, O phone, OH notes.

0:32:13.920 --> 0:32:17.840
<v Speaker 1>The general idea is that you've got a device that

0:32:18.000 --> 0:32:22.560
<v Speaker 1>supplies you with these engineered packets of smell that can

0:32:22.600 --> 0:32:27.240
<v Speaker 1>be sort of tagged as metadata on top of other things.

0:32:27.280 --> 0:32:29.200
<v Speaker 1>So the original idea I read about was that you

0:32:29.320 --> 0:32:33.560
<v Speaker 1>might take a picture with your phone and then send

0:32:33.640 --> 0:32:37.200
<v Speaker 1>somebody that picture with this app, and then with the app,

0:32:37.240 --> 0:32:40.320
<v Speaker 1>you would be able to tag the picture with some

0:32:40.560 --> 0:32:43.320
<v Speaker 1>scent combination. So if you took a picture of a

0:32:43.320 --> 0:32:46.200
<v Speaker 1>field of roses, you could include a smell that was

0:32:46.240 --> 0:32:49.720
<v Speaker 1>a floral smell, perhaps even the rose smell, and that

0:32:49.760 --> 0:32:53.480
<v Speaker 1>would be what would admit on the mobile device or

0:32:53.520 --> 0:32:55.920
<v Speaker 1>whatever it was that the other person is using to

0:32:56.040 --> 0:32:59.440
<v Speaker 1>access the thing you sent or more complicated lee And

0:32:59.480 --> 0:33:01.480
<v Speaker 1>if it's a field of roses, for example, it could

0:33:01.480 --> 0:33:03.840
<v Speaker 1>be that rose smell plus a little bit of like

0:33:03.880 --> 0:33:07.680
<v Speaker 1>a grass shrubbery smell, plus maybe some like earth smell, Yeah,

0:33:07.720 --> 0:33:11.120
<v Speaker 1>plus the smell of clowns with chainsaws in the background.

0:33:11.120 --> 0:33:13.400
<v Speaker 1>I was about to say this, This to me sounds

0:33:13.440 --> 0:33:16.320
<v Speaker 1>like it could potentially lead to a whole new level

0:33:16.400 --> 0:33:21.040
<v Speaker 1>of trolling, Like just just you just put the most

0:33:21.160 --> 0:33:26.480
<v Speaker 1>foul sense and and pair it was something that looks pleasant, beautiful. Yeah,

0:33:26.600 --> 0:33:29.320
<v Speaker 1>and then of course that trick only will really work

0:33:29.360 --> 0:33:33.680
<v Speaker 1>on somebody you know, five six times. Yeah. Now, So

0:33:33.720 --> 0:33:36.040
<v Speaker 1>the version of this product they were talking about last

0:33:36.160 --> 0:33:40.200
<v Speaker 1>year had it had sort of a smelling station, so

0:33:40.240 --> 0:33:42.600
<v Speaker 1>it was known as the O Phone Duo, and it

0:33:42.600 --> 0:33:45.960
<v Speaker 1>would be this kind of cylindrical pipe like object that

0:33:46.000 --> 0:33:49.840
<v Speaker 1>would connect to your you know, your smartphone, because obviously

0:33:49.840 --> 0:33:53.600
<v Speaker 1>your smartphone can't make smells at you, So this station

0:33:53.760 --> 0:33:56.520
<v Speaker 1>would have to can make a burning electronic smell. But

0:33:56.600 --> 0:33:59.560
<v Speaker 1>that's about it, and that's very brief smell o zone.

0:34:01.040 --> 0:34:04.560
<v Speaker 1>This station would have to be there to release the smell.

0:34:05.240 --> 0:34:08.520
<v Speaker 1>And in the end, I think they might be able

0:34:08.600 --> 0:34:11.239
<v Speaker 1>to create a device like this could that could have

0:34:11.320 --> 0:34:14.319
<v Speaker 1>a very wide range of different smells that could pull

0:34:14.320 --> 0:34:16.480
<v Speaker 1>from because it was talking about how it can have

0:34:16.560 --> 0:34:19.840
<v Speaker 1>lots of tiny little chambers that release different smells and

0:34:19.880 --> 0:34:23.640
<v Speaker 1>different combinations to create sort of a symphony of aromas.

0:34:24.520 --> 0:34:28.239
<v Speaker 1>And to what extent can we imagine that devices like

0:34:28.680 --> 0:34:33.880
<v Speaker 1>these that generate smells could help further control us, even

0:34:33.960 --> 0:34:37.880
<v Speaker 1>without us going out into physical spaces. So let's say, uh,

0:34:38.480 --> 0:34:42.520
<v Speaker 1>campaign ad on on the YouTube video you're watching shows

0:34:42.560 --> 0:34:46.640
<v Speaker 1>you the face of the political opponent, and they give

0:34:46.719 --> 0:34:51.400
<v Speaker 1>you a bad person smell from your device, or you

0:34:51.480 --> 0:34:55.000
<v Speaker 1>are online doing some online shopping and they pump that

0:34:55.040 --> 0:34:58.920
<v Speaker 1>floral scent into your home or your or you know,

0:34:59.600 --> 0:35:01.520
<v Speaker 1>the tray in car wherever you're sitting while you're doing

0:35:01.520 --> 0:35:05.319
<v Speaker 1>your online shopping or whatever it is. First of all,

0:35:05.320 --> 0:35:08.120
<v Speaker 1>I welcome the floral set being pumped into the train.

0:35:10.400 --> 0:35:14.359
<v Speaker 1>I welcome that now or in a less marketing conspiracy

0:35:14.360 --> 0:35:17.640
<v Speaker 1>theory kind of way, that could be fascinating for for

0:35:17.680 --> 0:35:21.719
<v Speaker 1>adding yet another dimension to home movies. Sure, I mean,

0:35:21.760 --> 0:35:24.640
<v Speaker 1>and I think that's why these kind of devices would

0:35:24.719 --> 0:35:27.120
<v Speaker 1>be envisioned in the first place. Like you can look

0:35:27.160 --> 0:35:30.600
<v Speaker 1>at a picture of somebody's somebody's nice meal on Instagram

0:35:30.600 --> 0:35:34.440
<v Speaker 1>and it actually releases meal smell. I think, I think

0:35:34.200 --> 0:35:37.040
<v Speaker 1>the smell of that meal and not just a generic

0:35:37.080 --> 0:35:42.400
<v Speaker 1>meal smell. The interesting thing I mentioned to Joe before

0:35:42.440 --> 0:35:45.600
<v Speaker 1>this podcast, in my mind is that at least from

0:35:45.600 --> 0:35:48.799
<v Speaker 1>a behavioral standpoint, it appears, and if we're talking about

0:35:48.800 --> 0:35:52.920
<v Speaker 1>subliminal smells where you can't detect it consciously, it appears

0:35:52.920 --> 0:35:55.360
<v Speaker 1>that as long as it's something that is that you

0:35:55.360 --> 0:35:59.319
<v Speaker 1>would associate with positive outcomes, it doesn't matter what the

0:35:59.360 --> 0:36:03.160
<v Speaker 1>smell is, right, And if you associate with negative outcomes,

0:36:03.200 --> 0:36:05.640
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't matter what the smell is. So in other words,

0:36:05.680 --> 0:36:08.440
<v Speaker 1>you wouldn't necessarily have to have a smell that accompanies

0:36:08.480 --> 0:36:10.799
<v Speaker 1>the picture of the meal. If all you want to

0:36:10.800 --> 0:36:12.600
<v Speaker 1>do is inspire the person to go out and get

0:36:12.600 --> 0:36:14.760
<v Speaker 1>that meal, you would just have to have something positive.

0:36:16.160 --> 0:36:18.839
<v Speaker 1>I was talking about more as an entertainment value oh sure, Yeah,

0:36:18.840 --> 0:36:21.400
<v Speaker 1>if it's perceptible, then obviously it would just be weird

0:36:21.480 --> 0:36:25.680
<v Speaker 1>to start getting like mixed messages of one sense telling

0:36:25.680 --> 0:36:27.839
<v Speaker 1>you one thing and everything else telling you something else.

0:36:27.920 --> 0:36:31.480
<v Speaker 1>That just be it would just be disconcerting, or at

0:36:31.560 --> 0:36:34.440
<v Speaker 1>least at least you'd be like, who decided to do

0:36:34.520 --> 0:36:37.120
<v Speaker 1>it like that? So when we were talking about the

0:36:37.120 --> 0:36:40.560
<v Speaker 1>possibility of having these devices, one of the limiting factors

0:36:40.680 --> 0:36:44.080
<v Speaker 1>is how many canisters of chemicals do you have to

0:36:44.160 --> 0:36:46.879
<v Speaker 1>create the various sense and you know, and what would

0:36:46.920 --> 0:36:49.839
<v Speaker 1>be the bare minimum number of canisters you would need

0:36:49.920 --> 0:36:52.520
<v Speaker 1>to create a wide array of sense. And my argument

0:36:52.560 --> 0:36:56.160
<v Speaker 1>was that if it's the subliminal type thing, you won't

0:36:56.200 --> 0:36:59.680
<v Speaker 1>really just need good and bad. It's really now I

0:36:59.680 --> 0:37:02.200
<v Speaker 1>am a gend that bad is a lot easier to

0:37:02.239 --> 0:37:05.399
<v Speaker 1>achieve than good because you can never be certain what

0:37:05.560 --> 0:37:08.640
<v Speaker 1>kind of association someone is going to have with the

0:37:08.680 --> 0:37:11.880
<v Speaker 1>scent that you generate. It is possible that, even if

0:37:11.920 --> 0:37:14.080
<v Speaker 1>it's a subliminal scent, you know, the person is not

0:37:14.120 --> 0:37:17.120
<v Speaker 1>conscious of it, that they have a memory associated with

0:37:17.160 --> 0:37:21.200
<v Speaker 1>that scent that is negative and for most people it's positive.

0:37:21.239 --> 0:37:23.840
<v Speaker 1>You're not gonna get a positive outcome, uh, with negative,

0:37:24.239 --> 0:37:26.799
<v Speaker 1>But with stinky stuff, it's a little easier, right, because

0:37:26.840 --> 0:37:31.120
<v Speaker 1>it's just unpleasant. Um. Now this also, I also think

0:37:31.120 --> 0:37:35.000
<v Speaker 1>that this is a way of suggesting, uh that we

0:37:35.000 --> 0:37:39.400
<v Speaker 1>should really work in improving air quality and uh the

0:37:39.520 --> 0:37:42.840
<v Speaker 1>type of sense that we encounter in public spaces, because

0:37:43.360 --> 0:37:47.440
<v Speaker 1>not only is it more pleasant, but it actually positively

0:37:47.480 --> 0:37:51.360
<v Speaker 1>affects people's mood, which in turn positively affects people's decisions.

0:37:51.800 --> 0:37:54.120
<v Speaker 1>And therefore, if you are in an environment that is

0:37:54.800 --> 0:37:59.240
<v Speaker 1>less pleasant, it's unpleasant, then you could be affecting people's

0:37:59.280 --> 0:38:01.799
<v Speaker 1>moods and affect people's decisions. Not to go so far

0:38:01.840 --> 0:38:04.399
<v Speaker 1>as to say good smells and bad smells are either

0:38:04.520 --> 0:38:09.280
<v Speaker 1>going to uh eliminate or encourage crime, but it certainly

0:38:09.320 --> 0:38:13.120
<v Speaker 1>can influence people. Sure, I mean yeah, could could you

0:38:13.160 --> 0:38:16.239
<v Speaker 1>make a city a nicer city to live in by

0:38:16.400 --> 0:38:20.400
<v Speaker 1>making the inhabitants of the city nicer people by making

0:38:20.400 --> 0:38:26.760
<v Speaker 1>them smell flowers? Even if you're not making them nicer people,

0:38:27.000 --> 0:38:29.800
<v Speaker 1>you might be setting them up for success. That's the

0:38:29.800 --> 0:38:32.560
<v Speaker 1>way I kind of think of it, because ultimately, again

0:38:32.640 --> 0:38:36.360
<v Speaker 1>I don't think free will is completely taken out of

0:38:36.440 --> 0:38:41.720
<v Speaker 1>this picture. Obviously, if someone is determined to choose a

0:38:40.200 --> 0:38:43.320
<v Speaker 1>h a course of action that would have a negative

0:38:43.360 --> 0:38:46.960
<v Speaker 1>impact on somebody else. Pumping fresh bait cookie smell to

0:38:47.000 --> 0:38:49.680
<v Speaker 1>them is probably not going to change their mind. However,

0:38:50.120 --> 0:38:53.760
<v Speaker 1>just as a general thing, it might be a very

0:38:54.440 --> 0:39:03.680
<v Speaker 1>kind of hands off way of encouraging more p centrin quility. Yeah,

0:39:03.880 --> 0:39:07.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, I mean but this, this again starts to

0:39:07.160 --> 0:39:09.600
<v Speaker 1>creep into a conversation that we're going to have later

0:39:09.680 --> 0:39:15.160
<v Speaker 1>on about the various influences we can have that can

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<v Speaker 1>kind of influence our behavior, perhaps even to the point

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<v Speaker 1>where we are encouraged to take one course of action

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<v Speaker 1>over any other course of action, and what are the

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<v Speaker 1>ethical implications of that. That's a much bigger discussion that

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to have pretty soon, So stay tuned because

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<v Speaker 1>we've got a lot to say about that. But this

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<v Speaker 1>has been really cool. It's been a fun topic to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about. I think this was one that I had, well, Joey,

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<v Speaker 1>you and I had both talked about. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>who specifically mentioned the smell. Somehow, somehow we brought up

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<v Speaker 1>smells and I was like, could we make an episode

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<v Speaker 1>out of that? And then the question became could we

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<v Speaker 1>make a good episode? And I'm not sure I hope. So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I hope this was worth it. Well. I gotta say

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<v Speaker 1>I had a lot of fun looking into this and

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<v Speaker 1>learned a lot. I mean, just the idea that something

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<v Speaker 1>beneath the threshold of consciousness could have that big of

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<v Speaker 1>an impact upon a mood, uh, you know, maybe not

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<v Speaker 1>so big as to definitely determine your actions, but certainly

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<v Speaker 1>to sway you. Uh. That to me was fascinating and

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<v Speaker 1>honestly a little a little unnerving. Yeah, to think that

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<v Speaker 1>you might not be as in control as you believe

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<v Speaker 1>you are. Uh. And we're going to talk more about

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