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Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media.

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Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to Cool People Did Cool Stuff a podcast.

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Speaker 2: I'm your host, Margaret Kiljoy, my producer. I'm going to

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Speaker 2: do a producer first this time is Sophie.

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Speaker 1: Sophie my macpak. It's nice to be first sometimes, you know.

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Speaker 2: Our guest is Snow from Yellow Pao Tactical. This is

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Speaker 2: what I was asking last time, and I was like, Hey,

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Speaker 2: is there any affiliations you want to shout out? And

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Speaker 2: you're like, nope, just Snow is good. But then you

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Speaker 2: plugged Yellow pare of Tactical at the end, so then

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Speaker 2: I felt like I could introduce you that way.

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Speaker 3: I do be awkward sometimes. Hello everyone, that's okay.

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Speaker 2: I brought in Snow because there's a bunch of guns

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Speaker 2: in this episode. Yeah, Snow knows a little bit about

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Speaker 2: firearms from Yellow pare of Tactical, just a little bit.

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Speaker 2: And our audio engineer, who I have no idea about

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Speaker 2: their firearms competence and don't even want to conjecture, but

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't mess with them is Daniel Hi.

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Speaker 1: Daniel Hi, DJ Danel.

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Speaker 2: We can't go continue until you say hi to Danel.

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Speaker 3: Oh Hi Danel.

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Speaker 2: Our theme music was written for us by on woman.

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Speaker 2: And this is part two and a two parter about

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Speaker 2: bank robbers in Argentina, and no one's robbed a bank yet.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry. People tried and failed to rob some stuff

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Speaker 2: in the previous one, but there's going to be banks

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Speaker 2: in this one. Don't worry. I do, however, recommend going

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Speaker 2: back and listening to the first one so you know

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Speaker 2: the hell I'm talking about. So that Russian guy Boris

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Speaker 2: kind of started the expropriation thing, but I wouldn't say

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Speaker 2: he kicked it off because it nothing really happened in

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Speaker 2: the expropriation realm besides people fighting about it as a concept.

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Speaker 2: That's how great discourse is. Do you think I can

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Speaker 2: make a bunch of money selling death before discourse shirts?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Cool?

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Speaker 3: Hid buy one?

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Speaker 2: Hell yeah? Because yeah, people are discoursing about something that

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Speaker 2: has barely happened and having huge splits that are going

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Speaker 2: to lead to literal deaths as well as the death

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Speaker 2: of a movement over something that has barely happened. But

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Speaker 2: now it's going to happen more. Okay, for a few

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Speaker 2: other outrages as they were called. In nineteen twenty three,

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Speaker 2: five rural anarchist farm workers attacked a mail coach to

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Speaker 2: rob it. They were arrested and tortured. One was tortured

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Speaker 2: so badly that he lost his mind and died a

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Speaker 2: few months later in an asylum. Oh yeah, overall, robbery

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Speaker 2: is rarely a thing that you want to pick up

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Speaker 2: if you're like trying to live a long time, okay,

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Speaker 2: noted and La Protesta, the newspaper, when they heard about

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Speaker 2: the five rural anarchist farm workers, said they have little

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Speaker 2: to do with anarchism and didn't support it. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's not so great, and torture did support them. But

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Speaker 2: the group that really brought robbery to the masses, not

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Speaker 2: like in a landlord way where you rob them masses,

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Speaker 2: but the group that popularized robbery back of the bourgeoisie.

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Speaker 2: It was a group called Los solidarios. The solidaritis is

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Speaker 2: the best, which isn't an English word, but that's the

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Speaker 2: best translation because people translated as the solidarity, but it

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Speaker 2: actually I think means like, yeah, the people who are

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Speaker 2: in solidarity or whatever, those in solidarity, That's what I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna call them. They came from Spain. There were sequel

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Speaker 2: to a previous crew in Spain called Los just Ethereos

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Speaker 2: the Avengers, which is cool because then it means that

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Speaker 2: the first The Avengers was an archos nicolist militant group

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Speaker 2: that tried to kill the Spanish king.

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Speaker 3: And not the huge multi million dollar movie franchise.

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Speaker 2: Right, but hear me out, combine the two and have

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Speaker 2: multimillion dollar movie franchises around the adventures at Buena Ventura Darruti.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'd buy a ticket.

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Speaker 2: I genuinely think, like, these people fucking sold newspapers. The

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Speaker 2: crimes we were talking about made some fucking press rich.

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Speaker 2: I think that the fact that these people are not

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Speaker 3: Well, they wouldn't want us to get any ideas.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this new version, not the Avengers, but those in Solidarity,

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Speaker 2: is a bit more down to earth. Instead of immediately

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Speaker 2: trying to kill the king, they killed right wing thugs

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, you got to have like a step by

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Speaker 2: Right, They tried, and then it didn't work. So then

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Speaker 2: they were like, all right, all right, we'll shore back

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Speaker 2: at level one, you know, So they they robbed a bank,

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Speaker 2: they killed a cardinal, and then they were like, we

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Speaker 3: Like the Catholic church.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they killed the important guy and they.

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Speaker 3: Like took us a little red hat, Like fuck your

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Speaker 2: Yeah. The problem is at first they shot the red

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Speaker 2: shoot the Anyway, if you want to hear Margaret talk

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Speaker 2: at length about the Catholic Church in Spain as relates

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Speaker 2: to revolution, check out one of the many episodes I

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Speaker 2: did about the spanishivil War. So they're like, we gotta

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Speaker 2: get the fuck out of Spain. We killed a cardinal.

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Speaker 2: So they went to Mexico, where one of them died

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Speaker 2: in a hold up. Then they went to Cuba and

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Speaker 2: they robbed a bank there, and then they hopped over

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Speaker 2: to Chile. This is like really fast and furious, like yeah,

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Speaker 2: So they hopped over to Chile, and in Chile they

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Speaker 2: robbed a bank for forty six thousand pesos. As they

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Speaker 2: drove away, one bank clerk grabbed onto the car's bumper.

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Speaker 2: A robber screamed at him to let go, and then

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Speaker 3: Well, I just I mean, that's so interesting because like nowadays,

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Speaker 3: it's like, you know, like stores had these policies where

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Speaker 3: and stuff like that. And I just can't imagine ever

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Speaker 2: Employer, I know. Yeah, and then they left Chile because

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Speaker 2: they were like, h we got to get out here.

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Speaker 2: We killed the guy. Okay. They went to Argentina and

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Speaker 2: then they continued on with it, and so this is

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Speaker 2: three of them set out to rob a tram depot,

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Speaker 2: like show up, they're like, we have thirty eight pesos,

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Speaker 2: and so they robbed thirty eight pasos and then got away,

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Speaker 2: and authorities took note of the fact that the robbers

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Speaker 2: had thick Spanish accents, like you know, from Spain accents.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I tried to put that the the

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Speaker 2: in the just ethereos earlier. That was me showing how

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Speaker 3: Very worldly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I did get really confused because I first started

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Speaker 2: I don't impress anyone with my Spanish.

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Speaker 3: They're like, what the fuck is this bitch trying to say?

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Speaker 2: No, No one knows, no one.

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Speaker 3: They're just like, can you just speak English?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, actually the main way I use my Spanish

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Speaker 2: with people in Italy or France. Oh okay, because most

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Speaker 2: so I don't speak any Italian. This has been too

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Speaker 2: much about Margaret. Now back to the story. In November,

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Speaker 2: they try again, right, they're thirty eight Pasos isn't enough

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Speaker 2: for them. They're getting greedy, so they rob a metro station,

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Speaker 2: four of them. At this point. One of them abs

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Speaker 2: into the night. Yeah, they're they're killing cops at this Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And actually you're now entering the stage where like these

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Speaker 3: Someone's been dry firing, as they say.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. One thing they are not good at is

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Speaker 2: telling the difference between an empty wooden box, oh my god,

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Speaker 3: These bitches killed a cop over an empty box. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's so embarrassing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the cops have now sorted out who they

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Speaker 3: Acting hot right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're coordinating internationally with both Chile in Spain.

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Speaker 2: The Chilean police track down the room that they had

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Speaker 2: five men had lived here and they were quite open

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Speaker 3: Terrible upset. Oh my god, I.

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Speaker 2: Know, but they did leave, so I don't know, you know, yeah,

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Speaker 2: well I like the idea about it being such an

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Speaker 2: do you do for work?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Well, I rob people to try and kill the King

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Speaker 2: of Spain.

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Speaker 3: You know, I feel like half the people would believe

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Speaker 3: that's good chances.

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Speaker 2: And the people who believe you would probably be like,

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Speaker 2: you're taking up a donation, like what do we need?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, do you have a five to one C three?

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Speaker 2: Or yeah? Can I write the axis?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Yes, taxes empts.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. We should try, we should set

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Speaker 2: up you know, does the rule of five to one

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Speaker 2: C three apply only to American politics? Can they be

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Speaker 2: involved in foreign politics?

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Speaker 3: Exactly?

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Speaker 2: And in Argentina, the cops start searching every boarding house

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Speaker 2: and arresting whatever anarchists they can. But they can't turn

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Speaker 2: anything up, and they figured either the crew had left

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Speaker 2: the country or they were waiting somewhere to strike again.

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Speaker 2: It was the latter. They struck again January nineteenth, nineteen

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Speaker 2: twenty six. They robbed a bank only two hundred meters

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Speaker 2: Three of them are posted up outside the bank with

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Speaker 2: carbines and whenever people come up, they're like, uh, you

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Speaker 2: should leave. We're robbing the bank, and they're like, oh okay,

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Speaker 2: so they leave.

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Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, thank you for the heads up, I guess.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Four of them go into the bank shouting move

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Speaker 2: and we drop you, and they mean it. They got

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Speaker 2: sixty four thousand from the tills, not bothering with the safe.

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Speaker 2: Two bank workers tried to crawl out the back door,

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Speaker 2: and the robbers shot them and killed one and wounded

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Speaker 2: the other. Oh okay, Like you're like, ah, this like

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Speaker 2: romanticized life of crime and you're like, you're killing clerks.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they just work their dog.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I actually can't think of anything more authoritary than

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Speaker 2: killing people like that aren't specifically trying to exert power over.

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Speaker 2: So this is like how I came out the gate

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Speaker 2: But when we look at it as a grand weird

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Speaker 2: like they they mean it. This isn't like, you know,

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Speaker 2: Oh and the way that they travel is that local

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Speaker 2: I assume that like land borders, they're just like fucking

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Speaker 3: That's believable.

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Speaker 2: In France, Los Soladarios gets back to their first love

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Speaker 2: trying to assassinate the King of Spain he's about to

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Speaker 2: I don't entirely know how that happened. Someone does. I

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Speaker 2: just you know, there's many many books about the Rudy

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Speaker 3: Well, it's probably because they want to shut the fuck

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it probably didn't help. Wait, you do it in Paris?

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Speaker 2: You ever heard of a king?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I still got a monarchy down there, am I right?

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't just be crazy if somebody killed them. Yeah, anyways,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a really good shot. Bye. I like that.

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Speaker 2: This is the drudy voice. We both have. Their passport

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Speaker 2: donors are arrested in our Argentina. When they're arrested in France,

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Speaker 2: some of the passport donors, some of them go underground

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Speaker 3: Oh, okay, good for them.

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Speaker 2: But the ones who got arrested stuck to their story

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Speaker 2: shit that I'm not a geopolitics kind of girl, but

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Speaker 2: All the French press that wasn't right wing supported their release.

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Speaker 2: isn't really a crime, now, is it?

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Speaker 3: Like, well, yeah, it's not a crime, sole you do it?

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Speaker 2: No? Well okay, so it's I mean clearly plotting to

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Speaker 2: murder people as a crime. But like, well, France is

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Speaker 2: De Rudy Connor had I had to explain that whole

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Speaker 2: thing to Magfie last week. I was like, it is crazy. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Should mark?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe you ran away and joined the Rudy?

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Speaker 3: How do you spell this guy's name?

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Speaker 2: Do rudy M. I can't remember whether it's two rs

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Speaker 2: Is there a DJ named De Rudy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah you know that. No no, no, no, no, no

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Speaker 2: You'll keep going.

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Speaker 3: No, that's no, that's all you get. But that's it's

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Speaker 3: like a it had two thousand and five by like

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Speaker 2: Okay, I lived in a mafia owner's house in Amsterdam

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Speaker 3: Also, if you've ever been to any sporting event, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so again, no okay, sorry, So it's a great song.

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Speaker 2: But if if his name is de Rudi and I

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Speaker 2: it'd be some like Italian thing. This de Rudi is famous,

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Speaker 2: like people might have named themselves after him. I don't know. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The n tour to anarchists, the Prisoner's Defense Committee, and

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Speaker 2: the non aligned trade unions of bakers, plasterers, painters, drivers, carpenters,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, that's right.

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Speaker 2: And this now runs into I'm sure that the lockdown

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Speaker 2: I'm sure it's old as earth as the earth is.

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Speaker 2: But this is the oldest that I've run across. Is

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Speaker 2: a time that they use a lockdown in Argentina for

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Speaker 2: to stop the extradition, and it's actually part of a

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Speaker 2: As the cops are trying to break up a protest

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Speaker 2: friends chain him to a railing so he can't be

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Speaker 2: here the anarchists are here to shout the truth about

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Speaker 2: Comrades de Ruti, Hove and Escasso, and like kept going

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Speaker 2: they probably weren't telling the truth because the anarchist press

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Speaker 2: the main anarchist line was Derudi has never been in Argentina.

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Speaker 2: This is all just a political frame up. Oh interesting,

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Speaker 2: but Dirudi had been in Yeah, Argentina absolutely, and and

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Speaker 2: you know, I don't know whether I'm guessing. The guy

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Speaker 2: and he gave speeches the entire hour.

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Speaker 3: Damn.

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Speaker 2: At this point, the moderates at La Protesta, they're like,

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Speaker 2: we don't like bandit tree and a Torch is like, well,

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Speaker 2: it's complicated. But then a new paper comes out that

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Speaker 3: Stance where they just like fuck you, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Pretty much, and they started nineteen twenty five. It's Italian

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Speaker 2: and it's called a cool Mane, which I'm mispronouncing, and

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Speaker 2: it means climax, let's go. Yeah, that is a I

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Speaker 2: don't know if we should bring this paperback or not,

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Speaker 2: sick name for a revolutionary paper. The line of the

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Speaker 2: and if they did it was good.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so what.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. It was started by the soon to be expropriator

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Speaker 2: putting his money where his mouth is, Severino di Giovanni.

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Speaker 2: His main political issues were anger at Italian fascism and

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Speaker 2: the US, Sacho and Benzetti's a whole other can of

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Speaker 2: Mayne is like hell yeah, Rob. The rich La Protesta

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Speaker 2: is like the protests against the extradition of Ascaso, Drudi

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Speaker 3: They're kind of you know, giving loser.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but y'all, no, it doesn't qualify for the definition

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Speaker 2: anarchist either. What it made Sophie left the products and

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Speaker 2: services that import this show, some of them might actually well,

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Speaker 2: I like to imagine the best in everyone. So here

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Speaker 2: these protests were. But the protests has been so intense

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Speaker 2: our country. It could go really badly. But they can't

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Speaker 2: say we don't want them. They just said, like, you'll

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Speaker 2: and finally they're just set free in Paris what and

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Speaker 2: deported to Belgium, Oh but whatever? Deported to Belgium where

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Speaker 2: they're not waiting trial, like they're free. They get free.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, So.

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Speaker 2: That first lockdown worked in addition to all these other things.

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Speaker 2: But got three men freed from prison, and it saved

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Speaker 2: their lives. They never again returned Argentina. At least a

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Speaker 2: Rudi didn't. I have no reasonably the others other two

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think I would either.

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Speaker 2: No, I'd be done exproprietory, expropriat stealing shit. Anarchism had

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Speaker 2: Miguel ar Kangal rosinga roushinga, fuck. I need to fucking

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Speaker 2: look up how I pronounce this guy's name. I'm sorry. Oh,

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Speaker 2: I tried, and no one fucking knows because his name

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Speaker 2: Please cut all that. I'm gonna come back in and

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Speaker 2: do that slightly more politely.

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Speaker 3: No, you don't you know what the.

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Speaker 1: Version is there?

437
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Speaker 2: I don't know. Should just keep that whole thing? I

438
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:32,960
Speaker 2: really enjoyed it.

439
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:33,879
Speaker 3: I think it'd be funny.

440
00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:35,440
Speaker 2: Damn all right, that whole thing.

441
00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:36,520
Speaker 3: Daantal judgment call?

442
00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:40,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, your judgment call. I liked it. So basically I

443
00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:42,840
Speaker 2: tried looking up Roshenka's name and how to pronounce it,

444
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:47,240
Speaker 2: and it is not. There's a version with other spellings

445
00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:49,800
Speaker 2: that are more common than this, and I don't know,

446
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,400
Speaker 2: and so I'm sorry if I'm mispronouncing your name, dear

447
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:54,600
Speaker 2: dead man, who I think was pretty interesting.

448
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,879
Speaker 1: Dear dead man, Yeah, I think is pretty interesting. That

449
00:22:57,960 --> 00:22:59,439
Speaker 1: could have been this podcast title.

450
00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:01,800
Speaker 2: It really could have been. And then it would be

451
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 2: like I wish I knew more about the women in

452
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 2: the struggle would be the subtitle.

453
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, were you? Were you a good wife guy

454
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 1: or a shitty wife guy? From history?

455
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:12,919
Speaker 3: Folks at home.

456
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:19,240
Speaker 2: Want to know, Well, Severino bad wife guy, Miguel good

457
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 2: wife guy. Oh, no evidence to the contrary guy.

458
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:26,720
Speaker 3: Okay, that's different.

459
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 2: A lot of reason to actually believe, yes, okay, So

460
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,639
Speaker 2: Miguel what I'm gonna call Miguel. He's the metal worker

461
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 2: who led the defense committee, and he kept trying to

462
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:37,480
Speaker 2: break people out of prison, and they burned down the

463
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:41,240
Speaker 2: prison governor's house or whatever. He was with De Rudy

464
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 2: on one of the robberies, and so he picks up

465
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:47,359
Speaker 2: the baton in the endless pushing the rock up the

466
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:52,359
Speaker 2: hill quest. Despite his trade unionism and political beliefs, he

467
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,879
Speaker 2: was highly valued by his employer. He's just like this,

468
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 2: like Earnest Hard working guy. He worked hard, he did

469
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,639
Speaker 2: good work. He was married and he had children, and

470
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 2: he kept a comfortable working class home and was by

471
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 2: all standards. Everyone just like liked him, and he was

472
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 2: fucking upstanding and nice to everyone. That's why I suspect

473
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 2: he was a decent.

474
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 3: That makes sense. That context is helpful.

475
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was well liked. He was smart, he was dedicated,

476
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 2: he was kind. He hated two groups of people, cops

477
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 2: and tankies. The word tanky didn't exist yet, but he

478
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 2: was furious with the anger of a thousand sons at

479
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:32,119
Speaker 2: the betrayal of the revolution by the Bolsheviks. He could

480
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 2: not stand that some anarchists still worked with them, He

481
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:39,159
Speaker 2: wrote in an essay, do anarchists that play nice with

482
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 2: communists not know about the daily butchery which fastens like

483
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:47,400
Speaker 2: some re enacted cronstats silently and inexorably upon any hint

484
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 2: of potential opposition or mere challenge to orders emanating from

485
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:54,640
Speaker 2: Russia's new masters, even should that opposition be articulated by

486
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 2: those creators of communism who may wish to remain true

487
00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:58,399
Speaker 2: to their ideals.

488
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 3: I mean that, How can you not answer that?

489
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean that's legit. I also understand why people

490
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 2: are like. Politically it's pragmatic to work with the following

491
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 2: group of people, but I also understand people being like

492
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 2: no like, especially it's happening right now in the nineteen twenties, right.

493
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 2: And among his blue collar working skills seems to be

494
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 2: bomb making, although it's possible that someone else was more

495
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 2: the bomb maker. He might have potentially helped bomb the

496
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 2: US embassy in neighboring Uruguay. And he probably built a

497
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 2: book bomb that was sent to the warden of the

498
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,439
Speaker 2: most infamous like Siberia of Argentina prison.

499
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:41,679
Speaker 3: That's kind of hot.

500
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. The cops at one point picked him up without

501
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 2: evidence for some of these bombings, hoping he just kind

502
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 2: of randomly crack or whatever.

503
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 3: Oh, come on that guy.

504
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,200
Speaker 2: No, no, he's not going to crack. Although he doesn't.

505
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,199
Speaker 2: You know, you half expect him to be the like

506
00:25:58,320 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 2: I did send that bomb and I'm proud.

507
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:02,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, fuck you.

508
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 2: No, it was like, I'm thirty six, now, I've given

509
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 2: up my anarchism. All that stuff's behind me. He's lying

510
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,919
Speaker 2: through his teeth. Yeah, but they have no evidence and

511
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 2: they let him go. And the thing is he now

512
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 2: knows he's a marked man. Yeah, and he now knows

513
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 2: he's probably not going to live a lot longer. This

514
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 2: is the mid nineteen twenties, and political opponents of the

515
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 2: right wing are in like more and more trouble. By

516
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 2: nineteen thirty, they're going to be straight up disappeared. And

517
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 2: so he's like, all right, my days are numbered, so

518
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 2: I'm going to do some shit.

519
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:40,359
Speaker 3: Hell yeah, let's go.

520
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,120
Speaker 2: He ran that anarchist prisoner support group, right, and that

521
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 2: cost a lot of money. They're like feeding the families

522
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:50,640
Speaker 2: of imprisoned anarchists, right and paying the commissary and all

523
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,160
Speaker 2: that stuff, And money is getting harder to come by

524
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,920
Speaker 2: at this point to send food aid to prisoners and families.

525
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 2: The economy is not doing so well. The movement seems

526
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 2: to be on a downswing. I'm not really sure about that.

527
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 2: And so he gets together a heist movie style crew,

528
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 2: including a far sighted like has bad vision, not someone

529
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,479
Speaker 2: who's like really good at thinking about the future, a

530
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 2: far sighted Spanish painter named Andreas Vesquez Paredes who had

531
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 2: multi class to bomb maker during character creation. Well, I

532
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,679
Speaker 2: guess on leveling up as when you multi class. Oh okay,

533
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 2: unless you're playing second edition anyway, He had spent time

534
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 2: in prison, and this is the guy who made the

535
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 2: bomb that Kurt Wilkins, or anarchist pacifist, had thrown at

536
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 2: the man who'd murdered fifteen hundred workers. Also in the

537
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 2: crew were the Moredi brothers, which are Italian probably can

538
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 2: guess Vincente and Alicio. They had led a particularly violent

539
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,199
Speaker 2: strike against an oil company. And they're kind of the

540
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 2: like hotheads of the group. Okay. On October first, nineteen

541
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 2: twenty seven, the three of them decided to rob a hospital,

542
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 2: or rather to rob an armored car the people who

543
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 2: show up with wages, which is the equivalent of the

544
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 2: armored car time.

545
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 3: Right, Oh, okay, it looks like they're going to rob

546
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:03,879
Speaker 3: a hospital.

547
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 2: So they're like robbing the owners essentially by robbing the

548
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 2: person carrying the wages. Yeah, which is how you rob

549
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 2: the equivalent of it. It's like now everyone robs armored cars.

550
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:15,959
Speaker 2: This is the equivalent of that.

551
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 3: Okay.

552
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 2: Three of them wrap their heads up with like bandages

553
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 2: as if they're like hospital accident people who need medical care,

554
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 2: and they wait around by the door while another Morady

555
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 2: brother waits in the getaway car. And they knew that

556
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 2: the cop guarding the messenger was an expert marksman. They've

557
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 2: done their homework right, so they needed the element of surprise,

558
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 2: which they get. The money guy gets out of the

559
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 2: money car, they stick guns in his face, they get

560
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 2: the briefcase. The cop draws on them, so they kill

561
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 2: the cop and they flee with one hundred and forty

562
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 2: one thousand pesos. Oh, immediately the cops are after them,

563
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 2: which well, yeah, I mean, to be fair, yeah, and

564
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 2: so they start to flee the.

565
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 3: Are they still all gazed up?

566
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean like they've probably taken off

567
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 2: the gauze once they get away, right, because that's like

568
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 2: their disguise, you know, right, it's a pretty clever it is.

569
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 2: They decided to they're getting out of the country. They're

570
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 2: trying to go to Otaguay to a sympathetic boatman, but

571
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 2: they're double crossed by the guy who owns the garage

572
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 2: where they store their getaway car, because that guy's taking

573
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 2: money from both the anarchists and the cops. Well, little bitch, absolutely, honestly,

574
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 2: that is a dangerous game to play at this time.

575
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 2: A lot of the people that these types of groups

576
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 2: kill are people like that. I mean yeah, I can't

577
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 2: trust that guy. It does mean for our future movie.

578
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 2: They get away on horseback.

579
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 3: Oh my god, that is so sick.

580
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 2: And then they get across the border and then they

581
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 2: rent a car and set off towards Montevideo, the capitol Votaguay.

582
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 2: The press follows closely all of this action. The cops

583
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 2: are like hot on their trails. Sometimes they're hours behind,

584
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 2: sometimes they're just minutes behind. Oh god, did you see

585
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 2: these three men? And they're like yeah, they just left,

586
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 2: like it is a movie, you know. And they make

587
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 2: it to Montevideo and they disappear into the welcoming arms

588
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 2: of the anarchist movement there, and the cops are like fuck.

589
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 2: They made it to like entire neighborhoods full of working

590
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 2: class people who are like, of course, we support our

591
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 2: bank robbers. They are the front page of all of

592
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 2: the press, and most of the press is like almost

593
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 2: like rooting for the robbers because it's sensationalism, like right,

594
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 2: these are the people to choose to identify with right right,

595
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,719
Speaker 2: and Resigna was like, fuck it, they're talking about us anyway,

596
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 2: we might as well make it fun. So he sends

597
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 2: in letters as himself full of false clues to distract

598
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 2: the cups.

599
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 3: Oh my god, what a little troll.

600
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 2: I love that, I know, I really this is He's

601
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 2: my favorite care of this. Meanwhile, in Argentina, both of

602
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 2: the biggest anarchist papers are being annoying. La Protesta is

603
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 2: like we disavow these people.

604
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 3: And I'm so tired of hearing them say that.

605
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 2: I don't know, I know, And Torcha is like, it

606
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 2: didn't happen. It's an op. Our boys are innocent of

607
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 2: all charges. Okay, political persecution, and look before your court

608
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 2: case if you need to say that for the sake

609
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 2: of your coming court case, I understand. But whatever, the

610
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 2: money from the raid went to two purposes. Mostly it

611
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 2: went to support all those prisoners, right and the families

612
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 2: and all that stuff. And they successfully got the money

613
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 2: into the hands of the movement and you know, helped

614
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 2: a ton of people. They also spent a bunch of

615
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 2: it setting up to counterfeit more money.

616
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 3: Okay, now we're talking.

617
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 2: I know. I wish I knew more about their counterfeiting

618
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 2: operation because around this time a ton of anarchists and

619
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 2: like probably other radicals, but I know the most but

620
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 2: the anarchists are obsessed with counterfeiting. They're like, this is

621
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 2: this is our thing, and it actually it leads to

622
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 2: interesting things where like now you have all these counterfeitters,

623
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 2: so like when when Nazis occupy areas, all these counterfeiters like, yeah,

624
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 2: we can make ideas for Jewish people and stuff, you know, Like,

625
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 2: oh yeah, that's what we know how to do. And

626
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 2: so one day I'm going to do a whole counterfeiting episode.

627
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 2: But I don't know as much about their particular counterfeiting operations.

628
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 2: I know about their robberies. At this point, three anarchists

629
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 2: from Catalonia show up in Odaguay and they were referred

630
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 2: to the gang by Drudi and these are like, you're

631
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 2: hardened militants. They are veterans of one hundred bombings in Spain,

632
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 2: and they were like, hell yeah, we need to go

633
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 2: do more crime in a different country. And the more

634
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 2: Eddie brothers are like, hell yeah, crime as cool as hell.

635
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 2: Let's do a bunch of crime. But mcgawro Singa is

636
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 2: like it's probably a bad time to do a big,

637
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 2: flashy crime. We're working on this legal campaign to free

638
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 2: that guy. Ratis like, let's focus on other work instead.

639
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 2: I think he mostly wants to focus on counterfeiting mm hmm.

640
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:09,959
Speaker 2: But the three contil On folks and the Moradi brothers

641
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 2: are like, all right, what we're gonna do without you?

642
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 2: And their goal, according to historian Ils Vota Bayer, was

643
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 2: not just to get money from this one exchange bureau,

644
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 2: but to do outright terrorism to scare the bourgeoisie. Oh.

645
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 2: So they go in, guns blazing, robbing four thousand pesos,

646
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 2: which is not all that much, killing three people and

647
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 2: wounding three more. They kill a clerk, the manager, and

648
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 2: a taxi driver who refused to drive them away. Oh,

649
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 2: within meters of the governor's home.

650
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 3: They keep like choosing these banks near i know, municipal buildings.

651
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 2: And now I'm not sure whether it's like a just

652
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 2: a coincidence or if they're like he he, we're gonna

653
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 2: show and we can do this thing. And you know,

654
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 2: it's like it's like at this point they've kind of

655
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 2: like lost me, right, I'm like, yeah, God damn it.

656
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 2: They let slip some kathlon while they're doing these robberies,

657
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 2: and so the cops are like, aha, d Rudi's back

658
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 2: in town, which isn't true, but it does like help them.

659
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 2: In their quest to find these people. An informant leads

660
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 2: to their hideout and three hundred cops and soldiers surround

661
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 2: the place, cutting off power, setting up search lights. And

662
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 2: it's not just the robbers inside. The wives of the

663
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 2: Morietti brothers and two small kids are in there too.

664
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 3: Oh man, where is this going?

665
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 2: Why would we need to know their names? Then again,

666
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 2: I didn't give Moretti brothers any names besides Moretti, and

667
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 2: that's the name of the two women also, so it's

668
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 2: just four Morettis and possibly six Morettis, two of whom

669
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 2: are children. The robbers surrender because they don't want to

670
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 2: endanger their families. One of the Moretti brothers he's sworn

671
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 2: to never be taken alive, so he walks outside with

672
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 2: a gun in his hand and takes his own life.

673
00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 2: The remaining Moretti refused to snitch out Miguel Rasinga, and

674
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 2: which is like, they're like really upset. They're like, we

675
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 2: just caught the Moready brothers. We wanted our big man,

676
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 2: a history guy. He had fled back to Argentina at

677
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,839
Speaker 2: this point, while the other co conspirator, the bomb maker guy,

678
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:20,359
Speaker 2: fled to Brazil. But then they were like, we don't

679
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 2: totally love what they did, but our friends are in prison.

680
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 2: We should do something about that. We should break them

681
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 2: out of prison. Oh okay, yeah, And you know what

682
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 2: you need to break people out of prison is money.

683
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:34,360
Speaker 2: And you know how they know how to get money.

684
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 3: They make it.

685
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 2: It's rob people. Oh yeah, No, if they've just been

686
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 2: making the money, it'd be easier. What they should have

687
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:43,840
Speaker 2: done is sold advertising.

688
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it would have been better.

689
00:35:47,360 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, here's the ads and we're BAC And I

690
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:01,839
Speaker 2: would like it to be known that I will use

691
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 2: none of that money for any crime. Probably that's even true.

692
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 2: I kind of I'm pretty like one crime at a

693
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 2: time kind of girl. And my one crime at the

694
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 2: moment is like being a public figure who talks about

695
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 2: anarchism during a time when the government is openly discussing

696
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 2: the idea of arresting all the anarchists Life Project twenty

697
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 2: twenty five and all that stuff happens. So I feel

698
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 2: like I'm good, My like crime quotion is full. But

699
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 2: maybe that's the cart way out. Yeah, thanks thanks. Yeah.

700
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 2: So they're like, all right, we're gonna rob some people

701
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 2: instead of selling advertising. M h and anarchistics, propriations are

702
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 2: kicking off all over the place. I'm focusing on this

703
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 2: one particular gang because I'm not doing a whole mini series.

704
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 2: There's another wages clerk robbery that gets almost three hundred

705
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 2: thousand pesos, and this finance more prisoner support and a

706
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 2: plan to free these anarchists. And then I'm gonna talk

707
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 2: about Giovanni Severino d Giovanni. He's the Italian guy keep

708
00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 2: bringing up and he's like, he's like a classic Italian

709
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,760
Speaker 2: in that he's like, I love bombs and bombing things,

710
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 2: and by that, I'm making a specific stereotype around Italian

711
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,839
Speaker 2: anarchists at the turn of the twentieth century. Not our

712
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:10,800
Speaker 2: friend Robert Evans.

713
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 3: He's Italian.

714
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 2: Yeah oh, and so soon enough he is doing fun

715
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:22,399
Speaker 2: things like bombing the US Consulate for killing Saco and Vinzetti, and.

716
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 3: Then hell, yeah, let's go.

717
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 2: Then this tobacco company writes the widow of one of them,

718
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 2: one of the sack either Saco and Vinzetti, and is like, hey,

719
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 2: your husband's famous. We were thinking about selling Sacco and

720
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 2: Vinzetti brand cigarettes. So did Giovanni blows up that tobacco company?

721
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:47,280
Speaker 2: Oh my god, and then soon enough him or people

722
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,760
Speaker 2: aligned with him or whatever, he's like not working alone.

723
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 2: They're bombing City Bank. I think that's in the US,

724
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 2: and a little confused about that. I think it's just

725
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 2: like part of that larger movement that's happening. He's bombing

726
00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 2: the Italian consulate because they are literal fascists. Yeah, at

727
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 2: this point, and he kills nine people and injureds thirty

728
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 2: four And this is the largest bombing in Argentine and

729
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 2: history up to this point. And I'm not a big

730
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 2: fan of this particular style of political change, like frankly,

731
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 2: but when you think about the terror, and I'm going

732
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 2: to put that in quotes of these anarchist bombings, think

733
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 2: about the scale of anarchist bombings against fascist Italian government,

734
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 2: and now think about all the bombs dropped by the

735
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 2: Allies trying to stop fascism, right, yeah, like suddenly when

736
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:34,839
Speaker 2: the US does it, it's good.

737
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 3: Fine, Yeah, Yeah.

738
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 2: There's no part of me that thinks that stopping fascism

739
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:46,240
Speaker 2: in the nineteen twenties wasn't a thing worth putting real

740
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 2: fucking effort into. And I think there's millions of people

741
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 2: who would agree if they had survived fascism.

742
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 3: Yep.

743
00:38:54,960 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 2: That said, even Latin Torchia is like, hey, maybe these

744
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 2: his bombing campaigns will just pave the way for a

745
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 2: fascist coup in Argentina. And the thing is that happened.

746
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 2: There was a fascist coup in Argentina pretty shortly thereafter,

747
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 2: So morality of it aside, I don't know. Yeah, someone

748
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 2: from the Giovanni group probably killed an editor of La

749
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 2: Pretesta at this point for calling him an agent of

750
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 2: the fascist for having bombed the fascists.

751
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 3: Oh so it was on purpose?

752
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, they there's been a couple at this point.

753
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 2: There was like an earlier one where someone from La

754
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 2: Pretesta killed to someone from a different anarchist newspaper for nonsense.

755
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 2: But probably did Giovanni himself. But if not, someone aligned

756
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 2: with him broke into the protesta and shot and killed

757
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,399
Speaker 2: an editor for claiming that their work was the work

758
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 2: of fascists, which, like I could understand, being that mad,

759
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 2: is it good? Probably not.

760
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 1: No.

761
00:39:55,400 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 2: Around this time did Giovanni leaves his wife to start

762
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 2: dating the fifteen year old sister of his crime buddies.

763
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:08,359
Speaker 3: Oh my fucking god, he's a creeb. Yeah, how old

764
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 3: is he at this point.

765
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 2: He's like in his mid to late twenties, maybe even

766
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 2: early twenties, so he's like creep, Yeah, he is too

767
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 2: old to do this. I will unfortunately point out that

768
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,240
Speaker 2: child marriage, where someone involved in a marriage is under eighteen,

769
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 2: is still legal in forty American states, and what he

770
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 2: is doing is not outside the social norms. Leaving his

771
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 2: wife for fifteen year old is outside the social norms.

772
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 2: It's still bad. Yeah, it's normal, but it's bad. He's

773
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 2: more of a bomber than an expropriator, but occasionally he's

774
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:44,840
Speaker 2: doing political robberies too, And just to follow him to

775
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 2: his conclusion, he was arrested after the fascist coup and

776
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 2: he was executed by the Fascist state. His last words

777
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 2: were a Viva la anarchia, long live anarchy. His defense

778
00:40:56,560 --> 00:41:01,320
Speaker 2: lawyer was arrested for having defended him that flashism. Baby.

779
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, so Roshignam. I'm just gonna say it different ways,

780
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 2: and one of them probably be right. A robbery had

781
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:14,840
Speaker 2: just come up with enough funds to break the cattle

782
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 2: on anarchists. That that robbery that got hundreds of thousands

783
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 2: of pesos, right, and so like they're like, oh, we

784
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 2: now have enough money to break the cattal On anarchists

785
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 2: and the remaining Morady out of prison. So rashinat another

786
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 2: anarchist to span your name to the captain or probably

787
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 2: El Capitan, went off to Montevideo to help with an

788
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 2: escape plan. And this is one of the finest escapes

789
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 2: in history.

790
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm so ready, and.

791
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 2: This is the plan I talked about during the very

792
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 2: first ads for cool people who did cool stuff.

793
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 3: Oh full circle.

794
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 2: In August nineteen twenty nine, a nice Italian couple and

795
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 2: their kid moved from Buenos Aires to Montevideo and they

796
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:54,879
Speaker 2: bought a vacant piece of land across the street from

797
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 2: the prison. The cops were like, hmm, they're buying a

798
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 2: piece of land across from the prison. Let's investigate them.

799
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 2: They found nothing to miss, so the couple set up

800
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 2: a cold depot. I promised you a second col depot.

801
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 3: You did.

802
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 2: El Boentrato, the good deal coal depot, charcoal and coal sales.

803
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 2: They ran the business. They were super polite and charming

804
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 2: to everyone. And then two years later, in March nineteen

805
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 2: thirty one, the couple just decided to give up their

806
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 2: successful business and move back to Argentina. I will make

807
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:31,320
Speaker 2: the case that it's possible that running these sorts of

808
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 2: successful small businesses might have been a more sustainable way

809
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:37,280
Speaker 2: to raise funds for the costs, but I mean, anyway,

810
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 2: you know, we'll never know. Yeah, the col depot was

811
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 2: a front for Friend of the Pod Tunneling.

812
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 3: I knew it.

813
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 2: The Italian couple, alongside Roshina and El Capitan and some others,

814
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 2: spent two years digging a tunnel four meters underground with

815
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 2: electric light, and like it's tall enough to stand up straight,

816
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,120
Speaker 2: and there's like little like alarm bells like every like

817
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 2: twenty feet like if like the diggers got in trouble,

818
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 2: you know, like yeah, if something collapsed or whatever. A

819
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,720
Speaker 2: couple of weeks after the owners returned to Argentina, Rushenka

820
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 2: and others used a carjack to lift the paving stones

821
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 2: by the toilets in the prison yard, like they had

822
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 2: gotten like basically there and underneath. And then they just

823
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 2: like lifted up the paving stone in the in the

824
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 2: prison yard with a carjack. So that's the yeah. And

825
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 2: then like one like prisoner who's apparently in on it.

826
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 2: He just like he's like some old prisoner who's like

827
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:35,919
Speaker 2: not gonna escape. He just like sits down and plays

828
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 2: chess by himself in the middle of the yard, and

829
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:39,240
Speaker 2: like kind of is like in a kind of confusing

830
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 2: way that like attracts all the attention of all the guards,

831
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 2: but it's also not like actionable. He can't be like

832
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 2: you were playing chess, you know.

833
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he is playing chess.

834
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 2: Yeah that's ah see what he did there? Yeah, four

835
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 2: d chess.

836
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.

837
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 2: The remaining Moretti, his brother in law, and the Katalan

838
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 2: bombers all escaped through the tunnel, as did three other prisoners.

839
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 2: Two more of the sort of general population prisoners were

840
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 2: caught while trying to escape because they didn't actually know

841
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 2: what was happening, and they're like, oh sweet, and they

842
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:13,879
Speaker 2: were a little bit too late. The escaping prisoners were

843
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 2: met by three cars in the coal yard and disappeared

844
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,760
Speaker 2: a clean getaway, not a single shot fired.

845
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 3: Oh wow.

846
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. But soon after, Moretti was recognized by an ex

847
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 2: con turned dogcatcher who saw him and ran immediately breathlessly

848
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 2: to the cops to be like, I saw the fugitive.

849
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 2: I'm a good guy, fucking snitch. Yeah. He and Rishingo

850
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 2: were arrested peacefully at home. They were caught unawares, and

851
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 2: apparently they had had all of these like conversations about

852
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 2: how they would choose to go out whether you know,

853
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:47,359
Speaker 2: they had like they had conversations about, like what would

854
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 2: you do if you had to dig your own grave?

855
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 2: Which makes sense for an Argentinian anarchist to have that

856
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:55,280
Speaker 2: conversation with their friends. Yeah, since that had just happened

857
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 2: to a bunch of people, m hm, But it was

858
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 2: like middle of the day, just like no idea what

859
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 2: was happening, just caught off guard. When Rashingka was asked

860
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 2: by the press about what he'd done, he said, one

861
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 2: day the anarchists and their methods will get the credit

862
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 2: they deserve. We are financed by no one, whereas the

863
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 2: police are in the pay of the state, the church

864
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 2: has its own funds, and the communists are subsidized by

865
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 2: a foreign power. That is why in order to make

866
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 2: revolution we should rely only upon the means we find

867
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 2: in the streets, and at the risk of our own lives. Okay,

868
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:30,320
Speaker 2: goes fucking hard.

869
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:32,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, should get that on the T shirt.

870
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, or a bank robber mask. Don't do that.

871
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 3: I mean, they'd be so distracted trying to read it.

872
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 3: I think it could work.

873
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 2: That's true, that's true. Or do it into like a

874
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 2: you know that style where it'll be like a truck

875
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 2: stop skeleton that's on fire with like inspelled stuff. That'd

876
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 2: be kind of fun.

877
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:55,240
Speaker 3: That would be fun.

878
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:59,800
Speaker 2: He knew that he would be immediately disappeared in Argentina.

879
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,439
Speaker 2: The fascists are doing their fascist thing at this point, right,

880
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 2: and Argentina is tired of martyrs, so they're like, no,

881
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 2: we're just going to kill you. In order to fight

882
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 2: his own extradition to Argentina, he said he was the

883
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 2: party responsible for the prison break in Duguay. He's like,

884
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 2: oh yeah, yeah, yeah, no, it was me. It was me.

885
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 2: Put me on trial here. I really want to be

886
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:20,959
Speaker 2: on trial here.

887
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:21,919
Speaker 3: M hmm.

888
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 2: His two co conspirators did the same. I think the

889
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 2: nice Italian couple like never faced charges. I think they

890
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 2: just got clean away and they got six years in

891
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 2: prison in Uruguay for the prison break. And this is

892
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 2: literally it saves their lives for six years. Right, there's

893
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 2: a six year extension of their life span.

894
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:43,320
Speaker 3: I just feel like six years, you know, fuck prisons

895
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 3: and all that, but like six years doesn't seem like,

896
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:47,359
Speaker 3: you know, the seems.

897
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 2: Like a short sentence for breaking people out of prison.

898
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:50,760
Speaker 3: Yeah.

899
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:54,919
Speaker 2: I guess no one was hurt and I don't know, Okay, yeah,

900
00:46:55,400 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 2: not sure. Also, like the American judicial system has completely

901
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 2: skewed her idea of like what sentences are.

902
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 3: Oh so true, bestie, so true.

903
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 2: Yeah. I remember once, like, you know, there was an American,

904
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,839
Speaker 2: you know, person of color, anarchist Robo los Ricos, had

905
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 2: thrown a rock at a cop at a protest in

906
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,800
Speaker 2: the nineties and did like seven years for it. I

907
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:21,320
Speaker 2: knew of this white squatter in Europe who she had

908
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 2: been convicted of throwing a molotov at a cop and

909
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 2: got nine months. She didn't even do it, but she

910
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 2: was convicted of it. Wow and she Yeah, so the

911
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 2: disparity was I don't know. Yeah, he probably wanted more though,

912
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 2: because he knew what was going to happen when the

913
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 2: sentence was perhaps the last hurrah the expropriator movement came

914
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:49,280
Speaker 2: on October seventh, nineteen thirty three. A bunch of expropriators.

915
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,720
Speaker 2: This is back in Argentina. This is not the people

916
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 2: we've just been talking about. A bunch of expropriators from

917
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,800
Speaker 2: various gangs are in the same prison, and they'd slowly

918
00:47:56,800 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 2: accumulated weapons and explosives through various means. I think bribing guards,

919
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 2: which is a little bit. If I was a guard,

920
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 2: I could imagine being bribed for like drugs. I probably

921
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 2: couldn't be bribed to give an anarchist a bomb. It

922
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 2: feels like it would lead to me dying personally.

923
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, now that makes sense.

924
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 2: So the robbers blow up a wall with the explosives,

925
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 2: fight their way through the jail. When they reached the courtyard,

926
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 2: one was brought down by a shot to the head.

927
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 2: Another tried to ignite a grenade and blew off his

928
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 2: left hand. Oo cavalry set up with machine guns, and

929
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 2: the anarchists retreated back inside the jail. Defeated. They killed

930
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 2: three guards to their own one death, but the survivors

931
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,240
Speaker 2: did not survive prison for much longer.

932
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 3: Oh.

933
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 2: On December thirty first, nineteen thirty six, Rushinga and the

934
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 2: captain and the other Montevideo folks finished their sentences and

935
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 2: they were not released. They weren't even extradited, not as

936
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 2: a legal process. They were extra judicially kidnapped. They were

937
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 2: just handed over by the Uruguayans to the Argentinian government. Damn.

938
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 2: The captain was freed from a police station by armed friends.

939
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:09,919
Speaker 2: I'm not sure what happened to him next. I hope

940
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 2: he lived a long and happy life on the sea.

941
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 2: The other three, including Rushinga, were disappeared. They were last

942
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 2: seen by a fisherman shuffled into a police wagon, and

943
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 2: no trace of them was ever found. Most likely they

944
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 2: were dumped at the bottom of the river, but their

945
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 2: bodies have never been recovered. These are the first disappeared

946
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:31,799
Speaker 2: prisoners in what became a regular occurrence as Argentina moved

947
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 2: into fascist dictatorship. And I'm going to close with Osveldebayer,

948
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 2: the historian who writes a lot of this stuff Argentinian,

949
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 2: is also an anarchist historian, and I found his analysis

950
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 2: of all this really interesting. During that short decade of

951
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 2: violence during which they were active, the expropriator anarchists were

952
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 2: progressively sucked into an increasingly narrow, vicious cycle. Today their

953
00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 2: fight looks like a pointless effort, a needless sacrifice. Their

954
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 2: violence served more to assist in their own destruction than

955
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,800
Speaker 2: to bring about the success of their ideals. They carried

956
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 2: out armed raids and counterfeited money to meet their movement's needs,

957
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 2: secure the release of their prisoners, and look after the

958
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:14,399
Speaker 2: families of fugitives. But in those actions, more than one

959
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 2: would find himself going behind bars if not killed. The

960
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 2: ones who were left were in turn sucked into the

961
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 2: same deadly spiral, and so on and so on. I

962
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 2: don't know, I just I find this story so fascinating

963
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 2: because people are doing things beyond, certainly beyond what's socially acceptable,

964
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 2: and a lot of it's beyond what I would consider

965
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 2: morally acceptable in the cause of revolution or whatever. But

966
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 2: I can see why they're doing it, and it's also

967
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 2: just an interesting story. I don't know, what do you think.

968
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 3: Well, I mean that a roller coaster of emotions, but

969
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 3: I mean part of it is like if you're gonna

970
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:59,359
Speaker 3: steal to support people who are struggling otherwise or would

971
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 3: be struggling otherwise, I'm like, all right, yeah, like totally

972
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 3: like jail support, you know, I think that makes sense.

973
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 3: I mean, we do a similar version now where we

974
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 3: just mutual A groups pass around the same like two

975
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 3: hundred dollars you know, for mutual aid support, but I

976
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 3: don't know, I kind of don't blame them because I

977
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:22,360
Speaker 3: think at that point, like after the like crushing, like

978
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 3: the demoralizing feeling they must have been having after the

979
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 3: Bolsheviks turned on everyone, like it must feel as if

980
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 3: like you don't have anything to lose. Yeah, So like

981
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 3: that it just probably grows such desperation that yeah, and

982
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 3: also just like who's going to stop them?

983
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 1: You know?

984
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 3: And then we find out, but then it just keeps happening.

985
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 2: I don't know, no, yeah, I mean, like, you know,

986
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 2: obviously I have like my moral positions I take on

987
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 2: this show and stuff, but I try not to like

988
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:00,319
Speaker 2: entirely be like and everyone should agree with my take,

989
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 2: you know. And I just it's like I can see

990
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 2: why this split the movement because I can see all

991
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 2: three positions that folks took. Yeah, Like, overall, I find

992
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 2: myself of the like when in doubt, don't when in

993
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:21,359
Speaker 2: doubt support diversity of tactics. But then again, I don't

994
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 2: support murderers, like you know, I or I don't think that,

995
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 2: like I think that killing people is an authoritarian thing

996
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 2: if they're not currently exerting power over you, right right, right,

997
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 2: But I also see that like when people are perceiving

998
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:39,319
Speaker 2: themselves as literally in a war against the bourgeoisie. And

999
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 2: they're not wrong to think that because they're being exterminated

1000
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 2: by the BOURGEOISI you know, I don't think they're being

1001
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 2: exterminated by that clerk over there, now, Yeah, I just

1002
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 2: I can I can see why these conversations must have

1003
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 2: been so tense for everyone to have. And that's why

1004
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 2: I like, I think of it. The robin Hood problem

1005
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 2: is that Robinhood is something everyone agrees on paper. When

1006
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 2: the more the further away you are from robin hood

1007
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:12,320
Speaker 2: as the more perfect robin Hood is, and the closer

1008
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:20,319
Speaker 2: you are, the messier he is. And you know, oh

1009
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 2: it's messy. That's what I got.

1010
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 3: I feel like she's supposed to be a messy.

1011
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:30,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. Maybe. Like the biggest sad thing is that

1012
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:34,839
Speaker 2: rather than having these intense and messy conversations, people were

1013
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 2: treated into their factionalism so hard that they were like,

1014
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:39,880
Speaker 2: and everyone who disagrees with me is an absolute you know,

1015
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 2: is a fascist agent.

1016
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:44,240
Speaker 3: You know, similar to today?

1017
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And maybe if they just all learned

1018
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 2: understand where each other were coming from, it wouldn't have

1019
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:55,719
Speaker 2: divided the movement at a time when the movement was

1020
00:53:55,719 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 2: more necessary than ever because of the coming fascism mm hmm,

1021
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:05,800
Speaker 2: which again has no reflection on the current state of affairs.

1022
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:07,880
Speaker 3: No, yeah, no, totally.

1023
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 2: It is genuinely why I really care about history is

1024
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