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Speaker 1: Here we go, it's our two. It is a Monday.

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Speaker 1: We're in La this week. It's the Herd slinging Sammy

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Speaker 1: Darnald favor to win the Super Bowl. That's one of

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Speaker 1: the great things about sports is that you know, when

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Speaker 1: you have a strong opinion in our space, people are like, WHOA,

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Speaker 1: that's crazy, nothing's crazy. Kevin Durant went from having the

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Speaker 1: rivals of his Oklahoma City Thunder being the Warriors to

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Speaker 1: joining them, Sam Darnold, what you saw with the Jets

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Speaker 1: to MVP level play with Seattle in Minnesota. In sports,

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Speaker 1: you know, you'd just absolutely never know what's going to happen.

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Speaker 1: You absolutely never know. And we'll get to Matt Hasselback.

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Speaker 1: He's up in San Francisco already. But first, where Colin

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Speaker 1: was right, Where Colin was wrong, Where Colin was right, well,

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Speaker 1: I'm not that surprised that Bill Belichick didn't get in.

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Speaker 1: Eleven people did not vote for Bill Belichick to get

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Speaker 1: into the Hall of Fame because I've been saying for years,

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Speaker 1: take Tom Brady out of Bill Belichick. Fired in Cleveland,

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Speaker 1: couldn't make the playoffs. The one year Matt Castle played

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Speaker 1: disaster pre Brady in New England disaster, Brady leaves in

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Speaker 1: New England disaster. In college, his ability to draft awful.

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Speaker 1: The more control he had, the worse it was. His

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Speaker 1: NFL career. When Tom Brady's not playing for him, he

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Speaker 1: averages nineteen points a game. So I think he'll get

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Speaker 1: into the Hall of Fame. But I have said for

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Speaker 1: years when you take Brady out, there is no great

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Speaker 1: coach in the history of football that if you take

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Speaker 1: one player out, you view them much much differently. So

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Speaker 1: I think he'll get in. But I wasn't shocked that

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Speaker 1: eleven voters said, you got a couple of spygates. You

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Speaker 1: win forty four percent with Brady. You didn't treat people

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Speaker 1: necessarily well. You made a DC, the offensive coordinator.

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Speaker 2: I get it where Colin was wrong.

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Speaker 1: Which one is this guy? Oh, the Buffalo Bills. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills didn't hire Brian Dable, shocking who made

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Speaker 1: the playoffs with Daniel Jones. Instead, they went with a

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Speaker 1: very young, unproven coach, Joe Brady, which I felt was

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Speaker 1: a little bit of a comfortable higher. Maybe Joe Brady works,

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Speaker 1: maybe he doesn't, but there is recent history that says

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Speaker 1: it overwhelmingly will not work.

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Speaker 2: Where Colin was right, which one guys.

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Speaker 1: Cooper Flag not shocking. We said out of Duke, I

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Speaker 1: defensive end and is much more consistently aggressive on the

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Speaker 1: him to Jason Tatum. I think he is the best

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Speaker 1: People are always, hey, don't pile on the pressure of

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Speaker 1: When the media goes that gogaff for Cooper Flagg.

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Speaker 2: We're usually right where Colin was wrong.

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Speaker 1: The Minnesota Vikings have mostly been a buttoned up franchise,

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Speaker 1: And I don't want to hear about the paternity leave

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Speaker 2: Where Colin was right.

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Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns hired Todd Monkin. What a shot of all

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, I love my offensive coaches, two defensive

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Speaker 1: Sean Manion hired with little to know play calling experience

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Speaker 1: What they hired him for. Where Colin was right, where

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Speaker 1: Colin was wrong on a Monday. And with that, Matt

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Speaker 1: US Live. So you've been in one of these. I

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Speaker 1: remember years hearing ago that that Peyton Manning did not

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Speaker 1: You know, the timeouts are longer, the halftimes longer, the

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Speaker 5: That doesn't surprise me at all about Peyton Manning, by

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Speaker 4: About Peyton be like whoa, whoa, whoa.

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Speaker 5: No, there's gonna be no family staying with players, you know,

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Speaker 5: they've got it all dial Hey, we're in charge of

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Speaker 4: Managers and you know all the stuff.

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Speaker 5: So think what the New England Patriots are doing, Like

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Speaker 5: And so I think if you make it a big deal,

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Speaker 4: About it like it is just what we do.

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Speaker 5: This is just our super Bowl schedule and I know

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Speaker 5: for me, when Mike Hongrin was our head coach, we

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Speaker 1: So I've talked to different players about that first series

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Speaker 1: and Darnold it's just different. I mean, it's go to

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Speaker 5: I was ready to burst, Okay, Like I mentioned, like

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Speaker 5: saying like we're all ready creatures have hab it, yes,

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Speaker 5: and so to wait two weeks you were like dying

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Speaker 5: I also have regrets sometimes, Like Darryl Jackson was a

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Speaker 5: missed a ton of time, and I was begging him to, Hey,

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Speaker 5: I'm going to make you super Bowl MVP. I'm going

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Speaker 5: to make you the Super Bowl MVP. And I threw

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Speaker 5: my first five passes of the game to him. He's

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Speaker 4: We did get him going.

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Speaker 5: I mean he had he had caught a touchdown that

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Speaker 5: He made an in game adjustment after the first series

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Speaker 5: You don't have to do anything that you didn't do

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Speaker 4: And then I'll say it again.

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Speaker 5: I've been saying it, maybe too much, but all year

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Speaker 4: Them for nothing, like you run them in a game

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Speaker 5: And listen, I lost to Super Bowl because Bruce arians

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Speaker 5: And Patriot fans know all about the Philly special. Like

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Speaker 4: This will be a football game. This this will not

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Speaker 1: Do you worry Listen, Sam Darnold succeeded at the end

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Speaker 1: Kubiak is probably going to get the Raiders job. Do

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Speaker 5: I'm not worried about Sam next year. I'm worried about

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Speaker 4: But the process is the process.

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Speaker 5: I mean I've had I've had quarterback coaches do it.

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Speaker 1: You know. It's interesting Drake May's not taking a ton

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Speaker 4: He's doubled. He just you know, two hitches.

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Speaker 5: And then your Hall of Fame teammate comes walking back

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Speaker 5: out and you're like, really, dude, you're throwing up Okay,

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Speaker 5: you know, I'm not nervous anymore.

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Speaker 4: You you know, for me, no, that wasn't really my situation.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 5: I would huddle with the quarterbacks and usually the centers

438
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Speaker 5: and say a prayer almost to calm myself down, because

439
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Speaker 5: I was so excited. This is a dream come true.

440
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Speaker 5: I can't believe you're paying me to do this, Like

441
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Speaker 5: this is awesome. I am having so much fun. This

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Speaker 5: is incredible. And then what happens in the super Bowl.

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Speaker 5: It's a neutral site, but they will play when you

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Speaker 5: come out of the tunnel.

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Speaker 4: A lot of times they will play a song.

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Speaker 5: Now I'm getting goosebumps now, Like in Seattle, they would

447
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Speaker 5: play this bittersweet symphony song for us. It's a song

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Speaker 5: that you play in your home stadium, and it's like, no, no,

449
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Speaker 5: that's our song. Like I don't know whoever sang that song.

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Speaker 5: They didn't take it for us, but we decided it's

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Speaker 5: our song, and this is a home game for us.

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Speaker 5: And so I think for both teams, they're gonna come

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Speaker 5: out of those tunnels and they're gonna hear that song

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Speaker 5: that they're used to hearing in Foxborough, that song that

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Speaker 5: they're used to hearing at Lumenfield, and they're gonna be like,

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Speaker 5: you know, it's it's on. Like the problem is you

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Speaker 5: got all this extra time usually come out of the

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Speaker 5: tunnel and it's time to go. Now there's like an

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Speaker 5: anthemb and a pageant tree and all this stuff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're you're already amped up. I can feel it

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Speaker 1: with you.

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Speaker 4: My old team calling. It's on my it's my old

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Speaker 4: team against my dad's old team.

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Speaker 5: This is a it's a cool matchup and it's it's

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Speaker 5: in a great city and uh it's you know San

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Speaker 5: Jose to San fran Like it's everybody's here in town

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Speaker 5: for it.

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Speaker 4: It's really neat.

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Speaker 1: Great to see anybody. Matt hasselback all right, Yeah it is. Uh,

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Speaker 1: it's just it's really interesting when you look. I saw it.

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Speaker 1: I actually saw it first. On first things first, they

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Speaker 1: put up a graphic and you just and I said

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Speaker 1: this earlier, you kind of forget because New England started poorly.

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Speaker 1: They lost to the Steelers and Raiders, and and and

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Speaker 1: Drake Man had a really bad game against the Ceedars.

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Speaker 1: You kind of checked them, like, oh, I don't have

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Speaker 1: to watch that team a lot, and then you forget

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Speaker 1: about them, and they're beating bad teams in the schedule.

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Speaker 1: But if you look at Seattle and you look at

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Speaker 1: New England, they had the same number of blowout, same

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Speaker 1: number of points. Right down the line. Seattle did it

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Speaker 1: against better teams, and I think Seattle's more explosive. But

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Speaker 1: when a team I mean here it is. They both

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Speaker 1: averaged five point nine yards of play, they both got

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Speaker 1: forty one percent on third down, they both allowed exactly

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Speaker 1: seventeen points. They both only lost three games. They both

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Speaker 1: won nine games by ten points. Seattle's offense, I think

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Speaker 1: it's fair to say with JSN and Darnold it's a

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Speaker 1: little more explosive. But I would also say, Jason, the

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Speaker 1: weakness of both teams is probably the offensive line that

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Speaker 1: we look at it and we think not great. Seattle

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Speaker 1: left side got Gray's abel in the draft. I think

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Speaker 1: it's a little better. Will Campbell the Patriots gott although

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Speaker 1: he's been roughed up by some of the better edge

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Speaker 1: rushers but they're kind of mirror images. Defensive coach really

496
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Speaker 1: dominated their side with wins. Could be a little reckless

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Speaker 1: at times. We've seen it with Drake Man the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: We saw it with Sam Darnold. Yeah, o lines are

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Speaker 1: not the strength excellent secondaries, ball hawking, fast linebackers, and

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Speaker 1: they just they've been on a heater. It feels like

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Speaker 1: for three and a half months.

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Speaker 6: It's tough to wrap your arms around this when you

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Speaker 6: know in recent years we've seen utterly dominant Eagles, Chiefs

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Speaker 6: going for the three feat Joe Burrow. I mean, you

505
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Speaker 6: just had amazing games and teams and Colin, let's be

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Speaker 6: real these for I mean, we were probably week eleven

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Speaker 6: in the Hurt hierarchy and none of these teams were

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Speaker 6: top five. I mean, they're just not great teams. They

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Speaker 6: had really good seasons. There's an NBA corollary hero It's like, hey,

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Speaker 6: they put up great stats, almost like an OKC. We're

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Speaker 6: blowing teams out, but I think they're not great team.

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Speaker 1: Would I would disagree. If Seattle wins let's say thirty one, twenty, okay,

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Speaker 1: and then you look back and say they dominated a

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl, they beat a Rams team, twice that we

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Speaker 1: thought was the best team in the league. They literally

516
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Speaker 1: shot Kyle Shanahan's offense out twice, shut it out. That's

517
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Speaker 1: never happened with Shanahan. Then you start adding it up

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Speaker 1: and going, oh, and they blew out that team, and

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Speaker 1: that I think Seattle is different. I think if Seattle

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Speaker 1: wins by comfortably, you'll go back and look at the

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Speaker 1: book and you'll start reading the chapters and go, oh, yeah, now,

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Speaker 1: that's ten games they've won. I mean in pro football,

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Speaker 1: if you win ten games including the Super Bowl by

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Speaker 1: double digits, that's rare. The NFC, you remember, NFC was

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Speaker 1: the better conference. Yeah, so, I mean, I I've never.

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Speaker 7: Seen defense is great.

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Speaker 6: But like the Rams defense that won the Super Bowl

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Speaker 6: against the Bengals had Aaron Donald, a historically great Hall

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Speaker 6: of Famer. Real quick, Colin, give me a Hall of

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Speaker 6: Famer from the Seahawks defense.

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Speaker 7: They got a.

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Speaker 1: Lot of good guys, like that rookie safety. My guess

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Speaker 1: is Witherspoon will end up in Canton.

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Speaker 6: That's way premature, Like he's really good. They got some

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Speaker 6: All pros, but like they're just not who's the number

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Speaker 6: one player When you do your top ten who's the

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Speaker 6: number one player.

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Speaker 1: In the Super Bowl?

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Speaker 6: Uh?

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Speaker 7: The you can't say Drake Bay.

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Speaker 6: I'm sorry, he's had a really good season, but he's

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Speaker 6: not the best player in the super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: The best player in the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 7: No, Christian Gonzales is really good.

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Speaker 1: This is a weird I would say js Ends the

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Speaker 1: number one player in the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 7: I don't totally agree with.

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Speaker 1: And I think he right now is the best receiver

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Speaker 1: in this.

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Speaker 6: By the way, a year ago, at this time, he

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Speaker 6: was clearly a number two on the Seahawks rofit.

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Speaker 7: And when they traded the number one, what are they

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Speaker 7: going to do a receiver?

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Speaker 2: So like?

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Speaker 7: He had an amazing season.

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Speaker 6: I love him, but it's just a wacky Maybe maybe

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Speaker 6: this is me justifying why I missed so many games

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Speaker 6: in the NFL playoffs.

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Speaker 7: I got so many bets wrong because I didn't. I mean,

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Speaker 7: nobody saw these two teams coming.

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Speaker 6: Did anybody have a futures ticket on a Patriots Seahawks

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Speaker 6: super Bowl?

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Speaker 1: Well, I don'tbody had that, I think no. I will say,

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Speaker 1: I like you, I read a lot of the athletic

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Speaker 1: I think mid season people were like, I mean, I'll

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Speaker 1: tell you a moment for me you know, sometimes you

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Speaker 1: learn more in a bad job experience than a good one, right,

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Speaker 1: And I've said that before. When you go back to

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Speaker 1: the Seahawks schedule, this is crazy. If I told you, yeah,

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Speaker 1: they played the Rams in La Darnold had four picks,

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Speaker 1: You're like, oh, they got the you know, oh no, no,

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Speaker 1: they were driving for the win in their loss. My

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Speaker 1: takeaway was what team in the league could throw four

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Speaker 1: picks against the Rams? And it was twenty one nineteen

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Speaker 1: in La. If I said the Rams played Minnesota four picks,

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Speaker 1: you'd be like thirty eight to ten. The Seahawks lose

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Speaker 1: a game and they literally it is bakery turnovers for

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Speaker 1: three and a half hours, and they almost won that game.

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Speaker 1: That was a moment where I was like, God, how

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Speaker 1: good are they?

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Speaker 7: Are you ready for the play of the NFL season?

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Speaker 6: The singular play that changed everything, well, the two point

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Speaker 6: conversion Seattle Rams where it goes off the helmet, everybody stops,

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Speaker 6: Charbonage just scoops it up. They review it and it's

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Speaker 6: a good two point conversion that got them essentially the tie,

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Speaker 6: and they end up winning that game in overtime. If

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Speaker 6: they don't get that, the Rams get home field advantage

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Speaker 6: and the Seahawks are nowhere near this game, like Colin.

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Speaker 6: That's how fluky this season was. And I know Seahawks

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Speaker 6: fans are upset hearing that. Have you ever seen a

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Speaker 6: play like that? That two point conversion?

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Speaker 1: No, it was weird.

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Speaker 4: It was weird.

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Speaker 6: Everybody stopped playing. The reps were like and then he

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Speaker 6: just scoops it up and the wait a minute, that

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Speaker 6: was a backward pass. It's just been a crazy season.

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Speaker 6: Hopefully we get a good game and the Seahawks winning comfortable.

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Speaker 6: Remember it was in like Japan or China. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 6: And as a young guy, I would only get my

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Speaker 6: news through the Washington Post, and it was it ended

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Speaker 6: so late they didn't have it in the paper the

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Speaker 6: next day. But there was all these local TV things saying, oh, well,

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Speaker 6: Mike Tyson lost.

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Speaker 7: I mean, do you remember that? It was like you

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Speaker 7: didn't get the news.

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Speaker 1: I texted with somebody in Las Vegas a week ago

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Speaker 1: that said, do you remember where we were at? And

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Speaker 1: you kept running back to your car because you were

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Speaker 1: listening to the fight, And I would go listen to

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Speaker 1: my car. It was on an AM radio station in Vegas.

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Speaker 1: And then in between rounds, I would run in with

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Speaker 1: my friends and say, Tyson just lost round six, and

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Speaker 1: so everybody was at this party, this corporate and then

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Speaker 1: I would go, Okay, I gotta go, and I would

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Speaker 1: listen to the fight on radio. It's just, you know,

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Speaker 1: now we watch everything live, and it's just it's just

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Speaker 1: not the way it works. So I just I highly

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Speaker 1: recommend you go watch it. Albert Breer, Next Hour, Lincoln Riley,

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Speaker 1: as well Herdline News around the Corner in La It's

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Speaker 1: the Hood.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: and noon eastern non am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio

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Speaker 6: The two best teams in the Big East battle it

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Speaker 6: out on Fox Friday Hoops. Second ranked Yukon fights for

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Speaker 1: You know, watching a little Michigan Michigan State. You just

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Speaker 1: pointed this out to me during the break. The Big

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Speaker 1: Ten is not only the best football conference. Now that

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Speaker 1: Indiana is a powerhouse Big Ten basketball this year, goodness,

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Speaker 1: they look really good. Nebraska is unbelievable. It's perdue Illinois.

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Speaker 4: It's so loaded.

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Speaker 7: Well CCS, he's second, But I think Big Ten stacked.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think what's happened with college sports. It

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Speaker 1: used to be what schools had the most great athletes

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Speaker 1: within their geographic footprint, like the South, Georgia, Florida, Bama,

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Speaker 1: And now it's that matters. But like who are your

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Speaker 1: top two boosters? Will they write checks? And the Big Ten?

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Speaker 1: You know this, there's not as many jobs in the Midwest,

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Speaker 1: so Big Ten graduates and these are massive schools. They

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Speaker 1: go to the coast to make money or the South,

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Speaker 1: but they always miss the Big Ten. One of the

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Speaker 1: things that takes them home. It's not the weather. You know,

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Speaker 1: the weather's better out west, or the weather's better in

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Speaker 1: Arizona or the South. But what always connects Midwesterners who

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Speaker 1: leave is their teams. Yeah, and they to a large degree,

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Speaker 1: they'll write those checks. And right now, it's just the

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Speaker 1: NIL has literally turned the Big ten into a great

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Speaker 1: brand with sort of soggy athletics. Brands were better than

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Speaker 1: the product. Yeah, into the brand's great and the products unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: If you if you change uniforms and just say Indiana

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Speaker 1: football is the top ten program and if you look

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Speaker 1: at their NIL and their coach they are You're like, Oh, Michigan, Oregon, USC,

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Speaker 1: Ohio State, Penn State, Indiana. I watched Iowa last year

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Speaker 1: and there's some farmers with some lettuce because I watched Iowa,

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, they're not that far off. So Jmack

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Speaker 1: with the news, No news, this is the herdline news.

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Speaker 6: All right, let's go to the Super Bowl and JSN

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Speaker 6: you said he's probably the best player in the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 7: Tough to disagree.

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Speaker 6: After his one hundred and nineteen catches for a league

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Speaker 6: high seventeen hundred ninety three yards ten tunies uh, he

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Speaker 6: became the first Seahawks player to lead the NFL and

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Speaker 6: receiving yards since Steve Largent. Steve Larger with the iconic helmet,

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Speaker 6: Mike Rabel knows he'll have his hands full planning for

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Speaker 6: the All.

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Speaker 3: Pro sudding, savvy, competitive, really good play strength for you know,

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Speaker 3: he's his stature, you wouldn't think, you know, I mean

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Speaker 3: it's not that's a six three, two hundred and twenty

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Speaker 3: pounds receiver. But he's got great play strength and he's

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Speaker 3: really good contested catch. But I think good routecraft, understanding

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Speaker 3: in the zone and man, great body control.

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Speaker 1: I love all the terminology he uses. Rabel's are really sharp.

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Speaker 1: He's a really sharp guy.

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Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 6: He's as much as we talk about Sam Jarman history football.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, who is the best ex player who was a coach? Oh?

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Speaker 7: Boy, I mean again, I'll defer to you on that one.

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Speaker 1: I know, I mean you start looking around. I watched

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Speaker 1: Mike Rabel and I'm like, never forget this got to

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Speaker 1: be a number one seed in the ABC.

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Speaker 7: With Ryan Tannehill.

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Speaker 1: That when when I'm mean, it's like, again, didn't hoist

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Speaker 1: a trophy? But I Vrabel is. You know, Vrabel's the

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Speaker 1: one guy has never kowtowed ever to Belichick. Ever, Brady

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Speaker 1: played the good soldier for years. Vrabel went right after Belichick.

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Speaker 1: Belichick loved Rabel. In fact, when he was scouting him

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Speaker 1: in college, he said, we're not we don't have a

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Speaker 1: place to draft you, but when you become available, I'm

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Speaker 1: going to get you. Because they're intellects. I mean Belichick

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Speaker 1: to appreciate how smart he was. Vrabel's a very I

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Speaker 1: know Michael Little texted him a little bit. It's a

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Speaker 1: very unique personality. And I'm telling you they're not three

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Speaker 1: coaches smarter than him in the league.

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Speaker 2: He is really brief.

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Speaker 6: Well, see how he schemes up JSN. I would imagine

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Speaker 6: a lot of Christian Gonzales. Gonzales very good cornerback, strong

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Speaker 6: he is. I'll give the edge to JSN just because

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Speaker 6: he's a stud. All right, let's go to the second story.

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Speaker 6: This kind of broke over the weekend. Interesting Colin. The Eagles.

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Speaker 6: They got a great defensive coordinator, Vic Fonngio. However, reports

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Speaker 6: indicate he is mulling retirement and has been since the

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Speaker 6: end of the season, and Philly doesn't have a final

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Speaker 6: decision from him.

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Speaker 7: That's not great news.

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Speaker 6: Obviously, Fanngio a masterful defensive coordinator. I Colin, they were

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Speaker 6: thinking about a Jonathan Gannon move, Remember he was at

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Speaker 6: the Cardinals. He just landed with the Packers as their

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Speaker 6: defensive coordinator. The Eagles plan on checking him with Jim Schwartz.

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Speaker 6: Colin a lot of coaching changes, so that'll be if

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Speaker 6: Fangio leaves, that's a new OC and DC.

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Speaker 1: I would say Jim Schwartz would be the leading camp.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, he's very good. This would be an attractive job.

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Speaker 6: They have an elite secondary. Mitchell and Dejine are all pros.

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Speaker 6: The defensive line Jordan Davis the other defensive tackle whose

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Speaker 6: name escapes me. The linebackers are good. This is a

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Speaker 6: loaded unit. I don't know why people wouldn't be clamoring.

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Speaker 7: To get this job. If Fanngio says I'm out.

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Speaker 1: Coordinator jobs in Philadelphia.

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Speaker 6: You think it has to do with sirian Like, Hey,

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Speaker 6: what's my job security is? Sirianni gets tossed.

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Speaker 7: I'm out too.

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Speaker 1: Right by the way, Mike Ditka best on player who's

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Speaker 1: a coach? Iddink Brabel's a better coach than Ditka. Ditka

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Speaker 1: had the eighty five Bears. Eighty five Bears, well, no,

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Speaker 1: I mean they were great. But if you're asking me

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Speaker 1: long term intellect ability to deal with the media, the players,

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Speaker 1: the CAP, I think Frabel's kind of unique.

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Speaker 7: Okay, I as a Chicago guy, now you have to

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Speaker 7: say dick. Yeah, of course, contractually obligated.

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Speaker 1: People don't like that. I think Lebron is everybody as

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Speaker 1: good as Mjay in Chicago. Oh, they don't let us

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Speaker 1: not play well? Are you catching heat?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 1: I don't really like your show. But the one thing,

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, is it the Jordan thing? Just I

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Speaker 1: know what it is before they say it.

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Speaker 6: Of course, final story, let's stick with defensive coordinators and

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Speaker 6: the forty nine ers lost Robert Salah. Obviously he's not

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Speaker 6: with the Titans, but they've brought in Raheem Morris, who becomes.

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Speaker 7: Wait for it, this is interesting.

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Speaker 6: San France fifth defensive coordinator in five years. So Shanahan

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Speaker 6: and Morris have a history together. They were with the Bucks,

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Speaker 6: the Commanders of Falcons or aymoris obviously a sharp defensive mind.

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Speaker 7: This is huge for San Fran.

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Speaker 6: And let's remember they had what like four starters on

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Speaker 6: IR out for the year, so they'll all come back.

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Speaker 7: This will be a strong unit next year. I think

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Speaker 7: it's a good hire in San Fran.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's Shanahan and McVeigh both like him. A lot,

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Speaker 1: very respected guy. Again, I think it's very hard in

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Speaker 1: this league. There is a gap between coordinator and coach.

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Speaker 1: It's hard, and you just don't know, Like Jeff Hafley

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Speaker 1: could be great in Miami or it could be a disaster.

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Speaker 6: I have to watch it well. Actually, speaking of I

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Speaker 6: have no idea how it's gonna work. You should rank

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Speaker 6: all those new head coaches one or ten the new hires.

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Speaker 6: Halfley might be ten. Sorry, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: We don't know yet. I know hardball is gonna work,

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Speaker 1: absolutely yeah, And I'm almost sure Stefanski and Solo within

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Speaker 1: two years you'll be like, oh, yeah, that you're on

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Speaker 1: the right track.

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Speaker 6: I mean, if you're ranking coordinator hires, I think Morris

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Speaker 6: is probably up four. I think McDaniel is with the

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Speaker 6: Chargers is the best. But this is a really good

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Speaker 6: hat its great heart by the way he was. He

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Speaker 6: knows the Rams very well, which is good institutional knowledge

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Speaker 6: in the division.

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Speaker 7: I think this is good.

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Speaker 6: I just don't know about the Niners next year. Overall,

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Speaker 6: we'll see what happens with McCaffrey.

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Speaker 1: Well, you can bake in about six games missed by

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Speaker 1: a party because he got a you know, his left

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Speaker 1: finger is a key on a cloudy day.

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Speaker 7: Purdy hate.

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Speaker 6: I have a fun Darnold's stat for you that relates

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Speaker 6: to party. No, I'm saving that for later in the week.

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Speaker 6: Can't burn all my good stuff on Monday.

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Speaker 1: Come on, Niners will be fine. It's uh, But the

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Speaker 1: Seahawks and the Rams. This is nothing against our friend

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Speaker 1: John Lynch, but the Seahawks and Rams have hit on

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Speaker 1: a higher percentage of their draft picks. I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: it's I think most people still believe the Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: was Ram Seahawks. Now Vrabel's gonna make sure the Patriots

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Speaker 1: hear that all week. But it's is that line moved

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Speaker 1: up to five.

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Speaker 6: Yet it's I think it's five four and a half

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Speaker 6: depending on where you shop.

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Speaker 7: As the pro say, all right, I'm not much of

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Speaker 7: a show of Jmack for the mows.

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Speaker 2: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the

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Speaker 2: herd line news it is.

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Speaker 1: I'm you know, I'm glad you watched that Michigan Michigan

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Speaker 1: State game because the it is, it is noticeable you

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Speaker 1: were when I first met you, you were always a

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Speaker 1: college basketball still am.

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Speaker 7: I just don't talk about it because I know I

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Speaker 7: got to play the year strengths.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so, and you know the audience is more pro

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Speaker 1: sports than college sports most of the time. But isn't

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Speaker 1: it noticeable to you how much better college basketball is

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Speaker 1: today than like six years ago. Oh it's not like

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Speaker 1: there's just more pros. There's more size. And that's the nil.

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Speaker 6: On on I believe it was Saturday on FS one.

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Speaker 6: It might have been with the uh the BYU Kansas game.

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Speaker 1: Did you watch it? First of all, they're both great.

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Speaker 1: Those are the top two picks. Booze are at Duke's

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Speaker 1: probably three. That Peterson kid for Kansas first half, he

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Speaker 1: was unbold, like he's got he's got cramping issues, so

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Speaker 1: he struggles to stay in. If you go watch him

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Speaker 1: and you haven't watched him within three possessions, you will

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Speaker 1: say to yourself, Oh, that's what Kobe Bryant would have

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Speaker 1: looked like in college. His game looks like Kobe.

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Speaker 7: He looks like the number one pick.

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Speaker 1: For sure. He is really good. He is struggling to

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Speaker 1: play bonus minutes, but he is special.