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Speaker 2: if we broke up. It doesn't matter if I went

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Speaker 2: It's going to happen. I'm going to win the most friends.

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Speaker 2: I'm the prettiest, I'm the smartest. We all agree, so

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Speaker 1: Well, it's amazing that we're talking about, you know, because

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Speaker 1: here because we're talking about a movie that kind of

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Speaker 2: Oh, interesting, what's that movie?

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Speaker 1: That movie is She's All That from nineteen ninety nine,

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Speaker 1: and we're talking about that today because we're exploring I

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Speaker 2: That's right. I will say that Usher has been in

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Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, this is the podcast Dear Movies, I Love You.

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Speaker 2: It is for those who are in a relationship with movies,

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Speaker 1: We start every episode very similarly, I would say, and

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Speaker 1: and his name is Usher. Usher. Usher.

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Speaker 1: Now is Usher from Atlanta?

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Speaker 2: Yes, dude, Usher, We see a.

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Speaker 1: Hero, a hometown hero.

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Speaker 1: I remember he was a young guy when he broke

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Speaker 1: The first time I ever was introduced to him was

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Speaker 2: Listen Confessions. It's a legendary album because it was basically

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Speaker 2: Like they should have made a movie about that, showhow

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Speaker 1: So dramatic. Oh, I love burn too. That burns so good.

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Speaker 2: seen that video for No Limit it's incredible. You have

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Speaker 1: feels like he's been around for eternity. Yes, and he's

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00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 1: only forty six years old.

436
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's I think the like he's because he

437
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,640
Speaker 2: was so famous so young that it feels like, yeah,

438
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 2: he has been around. He's probably like, you know, he's

439
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 2: ancient in terms of, you know, the music industry, I suppose.

440
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,119
Speaker 2: But it's like the funny thing about Usher is that

441
00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 2: he wasn't movies too, which is always that thing of like, Okay,

442
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,399
Speaker 2: of course, like famous musicians want to also act. A

443
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 2: lot of them do act. A lot of them are

444
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 2: actually kind of good.

445
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I actually feel like the batting average for

446
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 1: act or musician turned actor is pretty high.

447
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this era of the she's all that era,

448
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,920
Speaker 2: like the ninety nine ish, the ninety nine, two thousands.

449
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 2: I mean, Usher was at his absolute peak. So it's

450
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 2: so funny to be like put him in a movie

451
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 2: where he's like barely in it, and then he plays

452
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:38,400
Speaker 2: this like whimsical pied piper DJ character that like kind

453
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 2: of comes in. It seems like he was filmed completely

454
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 2: separately from like the entire the rest of the school.

455
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:46,479
Speaker 1: Like it's merely I was gonna ask, do you think

456
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 1: they shot all of his stuff in one day? And

457
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,959
Speaker 1: like even for like the DJ when he's like DJing

458
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 1: the prom, I'm like, you could have just shot him

459
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 1: up against a wall and then like edited those like

460
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: close ups into the rest of the prom sequence.

461
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 2: Well, in my She's all that research, which I did,

462
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,120
Speaker 2: I actually did a lot of She's all that research.

463
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 2: Someone had to They made him come back to film

464
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:16,639
Speaker 2: the prom sequence because we'll talk about this in a

465
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 2: little bit, because there is a very famous dance sequence

466
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 2: at the prom and She's all that that feels untethered

467
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 2: from the rest of the film, perhaps, but that it

468
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 2: was so untethered that they were like, we have to

469
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 2: bring Usher back to give it some context, and so

470
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 2: they reshot with him so he could do his little.

471
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 1: Arm wait to get into that. I mean, She's All

472
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,880
Speaker 1: That sort of I don't know if it started this,

473
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 1: but it sort of kicked off a run of these

474
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 1: teen movies in the late nineties early aughts that you

475
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 1: don't see anymore. And this is so this is an

476
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:01,959
Speaker 1: important film in film history.

477
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 2: I believe, how old were you in ninety nine?

478
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 1: You were? I was eleven years old. Woof?

479
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:12,120
Speaker 2: Was it a kind of thing? Where would you watch

480
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 2: a movie like She's All That and be like, I

481
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 2: cannot wait to go to high school. It's going to

482
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 2: be so fun.

483
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:20,199
Speaker 1: Absolutely, because like when you're eleven, you're like, well, a

484
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,479
Speaker 1: junior in high school is essentially like an adult, Like

485
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 1: they seem so old. Yeah, And when this came out,

486
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 1: I don't even remember the first time I watched it,

487
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 1: but you know, I was such an avid viewer, even

488
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 1: at eleven years old, of MTV, MTV Spring Break, the

489
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: Real World, So, I mean I was totally entranced by

490
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 1: She's All That. I remember a kid in my class

491
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 1: asked a girl out and he asked her to go

492
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 1: see this movie. And in the note asking her out,

493
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 1: he said, do you want to go see she's all that,

494
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: because I think you're all that.

495
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'd marry who is he?

496
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if she said yes.

497
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 2: I can't remember much, but that would have worked on me.

498
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 1: Also, And it was a big deal. Rachel Lee Cook

499
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 1: Minneapolis girl, I was gonna swamp too.

500
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 2: Okay, So any stories of her in your hood from

501
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 2: back of the day.

502
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 1: Well, she went to South High School, which my daughter

503
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 1: could go to South High School. We're pretty close to there,

504
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 1: so that's kind of cool. And she and Josh Hartnett

505
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: were kind of coming up the ranks at the same time.

506
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:30,959
Speaker 1: They went to the same high school and so they

507
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 1: were both kind of like blowing up at the same time.

508
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 1: So I kind of associate those two together. And but no,

509
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 1: I don't have anything else. Besides, it's so interesting.

510
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 2: We both have hometown ties. I know she's all that.

511
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 1: I have more to say about rachel Lee Cook and

512
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 1: her career. Sure, maybe I should do. Should I do

513
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: a synopsis for this? I was going to say a

514
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 1: good time.

515
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 2: You better? You better?

516
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 1: This one is I found easier to do a synopsis

517
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 1: of than David cronenberus. Oh so you don't say, all right,

518
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:06,719
Speaker 1: this movie is about Zach Seiler played by Freddy Prince Junior.

519
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 1: He's the most athletic, most popular, best looking, smartest, and

520
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 1: most dire to stay popular. He's the most popular person

521
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 1: in the school. Okay, he's class president. Also he's like

522
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: perfect Okay. After he returns home from spring break, his

523
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: girlfriend took a separate spring break to Mexico. I believe,

524
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: he finds out that his girlfriend, Taylor played by Jodie

525
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 1: Lynn O'Keeffe, kind of fell in with the MTV spring

526
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 1: Break crew and is now dating a former member of

527
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 1: the Real World played by Matthew Lillard. I think he

528
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 1: was supposed to be kind of like the Puck Carrock

529
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 1: you know, yes, analog for this. So you know, Zach's

530
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 1: down a little bit, but he needs to pump himself up,

531
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 1: so he starts walking around the school and talking shit

532
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: and he makes up bet with his pal Dean played

533
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 1: by Paul Walker Rip's. He makes a bet with him

534
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: that he's like, I'm so popular that I could take

535
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 1: any girl in this high school and make her prom queen.

536
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: And so Dean's like, is that a bet? I get

537
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: to pick the girl that you are going to turn

538
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 1: into a prom queen and he picks, Oh, my god,

539
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: he picks Laney Bogs played by Rachelie Cook. She's a grouchy, nerdy,

540
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: poor art freak and how could she ever become prom queen?

541
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 2: You know?

542
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: Uh? So Zach sets out to woo Laney, and uh,

543
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 1: she's not too keen on that, and so he's finding

544
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 1: it very challenging. But the thing that's most challenging, he's

545
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: developing feelings for Laney and she starts falling for him too.

546
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: But what will happen if she finds out out about

547
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: this little bet? I don't know that she's all that.

548
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 1: It is kind of Pigmlian slash my fair lady. Yes,

549
00:31:56,440 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 1: plot it is. That is the synopsis of the movie.

550
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 1: Did anything jump out to you?

551
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 2: My god?

552
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 3: Dude?

553
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 2: What didn't jump out to me?

554
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 1: Truly?

555
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 2: Like I said at the top, I was I was

556
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 2: convinced I'd seen this movie in full in ninety nine,

557
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 2: in somewhere in the region of ninety nine, maybe like

558
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 2: two thousand. But I was also a total shithead in

559
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 2: ninety nine because I was like twenty years old, So

560
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 2: I was basically watching early Robert Brasson movies and being

561
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 2: like very wax poetic about.

562
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: Them, sure, of course.

563
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 2: But I was also the weirdest part about this too,

564
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 2: like because I actually see this happening. I see this

565
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:53,959
Speaker 2: happening a lot, where when it comes to like teen stuff,

566
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 2: I always feel like college kids have this like weird

567
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 2: space to appreciate like teen.

568
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 1: Culture because they're I think that's true.

569
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 2: They're kind of doing it ironically, you know what I mean.

570
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's kind of like, oh my god, we're

571
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 1: so much older than that. It's like kind of funny

572
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 1: that we like like this teen stuff even though they're

573
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 1: like essentially children as well.

574
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, I know. Because also in the early two thousands,

575
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 2: late nineties, early two thousands, when I was in college,

576
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 2: I was full fully into like in sync, and it

577
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 2: was weird. It was like I was into like there

578
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 2: was like two things that I was kind of into

579
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 2: when I was in my twenty early very early twenties

580
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 2: in college. I was sort of into like heavy metal

581
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 2: from the late eighties, so like that was stuff that

582
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 2: I remember from my early childhood. So and it was

583
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 2: they were having there was like a resurgence of it

584
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 2: kind of happening at the time. I think it was

585
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 2: because there was a lot of suddenly like a lot

586
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 2: of humor around mullets. Do you remember this at all?

587
00:33:58,720 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: Yes?

588
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, So mullets were kind of back and like

589
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 2: dirt bag culture, like Joe Dirt type of I say, Joe,

590
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 2: do you know what I mean? It was like kind

591
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 2: of this like weird and I don't know who ushered

592
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 2: it in. Maybe it was Kid Rock. I don't know

593
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 2: who fucking did it.

594
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,439
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, I feel like it's still lingering to this day.

595
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 2: Yes, So it was like the trucker hats with mullets.

596
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 1: Around Ashton kutcher trucker hat kind of thing, like kind

597
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,879
Speaker 1: of costplaying trailer trash.

598
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:35,320
Speaker 2: Trailer trash, like Joe Dirt, a lot of white men's

599
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 2: undershirts that are used to be called something terrible but

600
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 2: are not.

601
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,839
Speaker 1: And unfortunately I still automatically refer to them that way

602
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:45,879
Speaker 1: because that was just what everybody called them.

603
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,879
Speaker 2: That's exactly what everybody called them. And yeah, I'm with you,

604
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 2: And so I was kind of into that scene. But

605
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 2: then I was also kind of weirdly into the whole

606
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 2: like Jive Records, Britney Spears, we talked about this when

607
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 2: we did talk about Crossroads. I went and saw in

608
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 2: Sync and the No Strings Attached tour. Even though I

609
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 2: was sort of like, oh, like, I'm too based whatever

610
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 2: to like pop music, but I was working in the

611
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 2: music industry. I was around all this music all the time,

612
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 2: and then I just sort of loved the whole like

613
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 2: fucking total Requests Live, MTV World.

614
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Oh my god. I watched TRL every single day

615
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 1: and I would raise home to be like, Who's number one?

616
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: Who's the number one music video?

617
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 2: I have been to t L twice? Did I tell

618
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 2: you this? Who?

619
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 1: No?

620
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 2: I was actually on an episode of Tarrell.

621
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,240
Speaker 1: I got shut the fuck up? Did you touch Carson Daly?

622
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 2: Did I touch him? Yeah? I'm sure, I'm sure. I

623
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 2: was like he was holding my hand being like, what's

624
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,800
Speaker 2: the number one video of the week? Millie to cherycho

625
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 2: from Atlanta, Georgia. Sure, but I did get to announce

626
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 2: the number one video of the week. And Nelly, I

627
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 2: can't believe.

628
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: You've never told me this. I'm furious and I feel

629
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 1: lied to.

630
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 2: I know, this is amazing, Thank you very much.

631
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: Is there video of this? Do you have it on

632
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 1: a VHS tape somewhere? See.

633
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 2: The funny thing is is that somebody that we were

634
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 2: in the show with who I later ended up working

635
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:13,280
Speaker 2: at TCM with. This is the craziest story we met

636
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 2: what I was with my friend April Richardson when we

637
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 2: were in line to get into TRL. We started talking

638
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 2: to this like brother and sister who were also from Atlanta,

639
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 2: and we were like, that's how fucking weird is that

640
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:26,879
Speaker 2: you guys are from Atlanta. Anyway, it ended up being

641
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 2: this girl but I worked with at TCM many years

642
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 2: after the fact, which is so crazy. She apparently has

643
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 2: a copy of it on VHS.

644
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 1: Because my head is spinning. I don't need to get

645
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 1: that team.

646
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 2: I know. I got to ask her for the too.

647
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 2: I forgot to ask her for it for a long time,

648
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 2: even though that's kind of the weirdest way of knowing somebody.

649
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 2: But anyway, so there is video evidence of it. But

650
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,919
Speaker 2: it was basically like I got to announce the number one.

651
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 1: Video for the week and it was wait, wait, can

652
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 1: you do you remember the date you were there?

653
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 2: I mean, I definitely know this song. I definitely know.

654
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I just wanted to kind of guess if

655
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:04,879
Speaker 1: I like.

656
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 2: There was a band that I had I've just mentioned.

657
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: Oh, so it was in sync? Yes, and what year

658
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 1: was this?

659
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 2: It was two thousand two zero zero zero.

660
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: That was so that that feels like I think that

661
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: was the no strings attached era.

662
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 2: It totally was.

663
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 1: So I'm just trying to think of the title of

664
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 1: the song, It's got a It's gonna be Me, It's

665
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 1: gonna be me? Yeah, Yes, was that was that?

666
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 2: It? That was it?

667
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:34,359
Speaker 1: Wa What a time to be there?

668
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 2: I know, it's it's pretty cool. It's a little a

669
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 2: little feather in my shitty little cap.

670
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,359
Speaker 1: But isn't it funny though? That it was like the

671
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 1: main bands that were like number one or were on

672
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 1: TRL were like the pop bands like backto Boys in Sync,

673
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 1: Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, and then also new metal music

674
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 1: Limp Biscuit and Corn. It's so weird that those those

675
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:05,839
Speaker 1: two like regimes are like fighting for the number one

676
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 1: spot on TRL. Yeah.

677
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 2: And that's the thing is that That's why I always

678
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 2: say that this era was a low point for feminism

679
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 2: just generally because you had this kind of like aggressive

680
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 2: male contingent mixed.

681
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 1: With you could almost put in there and kid rock

682
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,879
Speaker 1: to rock, those horse girls.

683
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 2: Gone wild, like the sort of waiting days of the

684
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 2: like celebrity porns that were coming out, you know that

685
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 2: kind of thing. You got this kind of like aggress

686
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 2: a male aggression contingent mix with this teenage girl or

687
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 2: teeny bopper continent. It was so fucking fucked up. And

688
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 2: I've lived the tale, and I'm like, I'm telling you

689
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 2: it was terrible. And yeah, I mean I was in college.

690
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 2: I was a shithead. Everything I did was you know,

691
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 2: edge lordie, and you know, everything was done ironically for

692
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 2: a joke. So it was not a great time, but

693
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 2: it was also a fun time in terms of, yeah,

694
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:09,320
Speaker 2: just the ridiculousness of everything. And so the thing about

695
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 2: watching She's All That is that that definitely felt like

696
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,839
Speaker 2: it was part and part of this whole era this

697
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 2: movie is anyway. But then it was also like this,

698
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 2: this trailer played so much that it's almost like you've

699
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 2: probably not even seen the entire film, but you feel

700
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 2: like you've seen the entire movie because the trailer was

701
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 2: so out there, like I mean, I can't even tell

702
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 2: you except she didn't say the cuss word, But I

703
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 2: remember when the trailer played in it was like, am

704
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 2: I a bet? Am I a stupid?

705
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 1: Bet?

706
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 2: Yeh will play stupid? With cuss word.

707
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:46,760
Speaker 1: But it's like that thing of and we don't swear

708
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,720
Speaker 1: on this podcast. Omeily would never say it, oh never.

709
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 2: This is a very catholic, pure catholic. But I that's

710
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 2: the thing is that even though I hadn't seen it

711
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,359
Speaker 2: and felt like I was like, oh you had, I

712
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 2: know all these beats of the film, which is to say,

713
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 2: maybe it isn't an amazing.

714
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: Film, not a perfect film.

715
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 2: It's that perfect. Actually, I think there's a lot the

716
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 2: pacing of it is interesting. It feels at times so

717
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 2: phoned in, but then there are these moments where it

718
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 2: feels kind of authentically sensitive.

719
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: I don't know if you fellow yeah, no, one hundred percent.

720
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 1: Well I wrote down I'm just looking over our kind

721
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 1: of joint notes here. Well, number one, there's this what

722
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 1: I wrote an interminable pube pizza scene. I was like,

723
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 1: this scene felt like it was twenty five minutes long.

724
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,800
Speaker 1: I was like, it felt like a like the movie

725
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 1: had slowed to a crawl, and I was like, what

726
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 1: are we doing here? And so that felt very and

727
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 1: very you know that's the scene where yeah, explain Junior.

728
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 1: So you know, it's funny. Karen Culkins in this movie,

729
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 1: and he plays rachel Le Cook's little brother, and Freddy

730
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 1: Prince Junior is kind of looking out for him from bullies.

731
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 1: And these two bullies start like like showing him a

732
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 1: porno magazine. And then one of them, who is the

733
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:22,240
Speaker 1: guy who played the Sherminator in American Pie Yes, reaches

734
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 1: into his pants, pulls out some pubes and puts it

735
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 1: on his pizza. And then Freddy Prince Junior sees all

736
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,800
Speaker 1: this and he makes the two guys eat the pizza.

737
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:35,320
Speaker 1: But the pacing of that scene is so slow. It's like, hey,

738
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 1: you you eat that pizza. No, I don't want to

739
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 1: eat it. He eats it. The other guy's like, oh

740
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 1: that sucks. He's like, okay, now your turn. You're gonna

741
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 1: eat the pizza. Oh I don't want to You're gonna

742
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 1: eat it. I'm like, this is so insane. This could

743
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 1: have been cut down. I don't know. It just felt

744
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 1: like so the pacing was weird there, and but then,

745
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,720
Speaker 1: like you said, there were some like really emotional scenes.

746
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 1: I'm in the scene where rachel Lee Cook says like,

747
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: am I a fucking bet? I was like I was,

748
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 1: I was like taken aback. I was touched and I

749
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 1: was feeling things, you know, so well, it is a

750
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,959
Speaker 1: bizarre movie and to that point, like.

751
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 2: I was reading in my research, my she's all that

752
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 2: search is in that scene in particular, apparently Freddie Prince

753
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 2: Junior was really emotional, like as an actor, he was

754
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 2: really in his feelings during that part, and how basically

755
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 2: everybody on set was like, holy shit, like he's amazing,

756
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 2: Like wow, they were like really blown away by I

757
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 2: guess his sensitivity in that moment, and then when you

758
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 2: watch it, you're like, oh, yeah, he's like really upset

759
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 2: by this, and it just really I think that was

760
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 2: the thing, is that it was like there'd be these

761
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 2: like tiny moments I think between him and Rachel Lee

762
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 2: Cook specifically, and I would say also Kevin Pollack, which

763
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 2: is this whole the story. Kevin Pollack plays her father.

764
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 1: Uh huh.

765
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 2: They were actually well acted and very I don't know,

766
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,320
Speaker 2: very kind of tender and sensitive. It kind of reminded

767
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 2: me more of like an indie movie in some of

768
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 2: these performances. But for the most the rest of it though,

769
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 2: was so like hey, to say it a little phoned

770
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 2: in team comedy, you know, watching.

771
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: This, I was like I feel like both Freddie Prince Junior.

772
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: I was impressed by him and Rachel Lee Cook. I

773
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:36,919
Speaker 1: thought they were both really good leads of this movie,

774
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 1: and I kind of was like, why didn't they have

775
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 1: bigger careers? I don't know, are like more evolved careers.

776
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 1: I guess, like I just feel like Rachel Lee Cook,

777
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 1: we didn't see her in that much after Josie and

778
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 1: the Pussycats.

779
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:54,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I don't know, maybe because they're too cool.

780
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 2: It's like sometimes I'm like, I don't know, maybe some

781
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 2: actors are just you know, like I know, I'm like

782
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 2: a fairly decent, down to earth person and I don't

783
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 2: need to be in a shit ton of movies and

784
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:11,439
Speaker 2: I just kind of do what I want when I want,

785
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,399
Speaker 2: type of shuit. I mean, Rachel Lee Cook was also

786
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 2: a model too, I think, so maybe she's just like, fucking,

787
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 2: I don't want to be in a movie. I just

788
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 2: want to do other things.

789
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 1: But she I thought she was great. I mean, she

790
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,399
Speaker 1: has kind of an edge to her that I liked,

791
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 1: and I kind of was like I could have seen

792
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 1: her in more like indie films. It felt like she

793
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:35,399
Speaker 1: should have been in more like I don't know, better

794
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,479
Speaker 1: arts to your films, but she never got there. Yeah.

795
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,439
Speaker 2: I kind of feel that way about Freddy Prince Junior

796
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,839
Speaker 2: as well. I feel like both of them, in some

797
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 2: strange parallel universe, their characters probably could have been in

798
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 2: an indie rom calm or something. Yeah, but that the

799
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 2: rest of the movie just happened. They were like placed

800
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 2: into like a dumber movie. Yeah, it's like they're like

801
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 2: she played is like the Rachel Lee Cook character Laney

802
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 2: Uh Laney Boggs, who apparently was named after Wanona Writer's

803
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 2: character in Reality Bites, which I think.

804
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:16,479
Speaker 1: Is she was named after two wa Writer characters, Kim

805
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 1: Boggs from Edwards Her Hands and Laney Pierce from Reality Bites.

806
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 2: So well, and it is a good comp I guess

807
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 2: like Wanona is probably like an inspiration for this type

808
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 2: of character for sure.

809
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 1: Also born in Minnesota.

810
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 2: Hey look at you.

811
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: Here we go.

812
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:43,399
Speaker 2: So she plays this, you know, like political artsy, intelligent

813
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 2: nerd in her high school right, she's kind of a

814
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 2: mix between like Jesse Spano. It's like Jesse Spano from

815
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 2: Say By the Bell meets.

816
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 1: You know, Ali Sheedy from the Breakfast Club.

817
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she has this little bff who is maybe

818
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 2: like a gay coded character.

819
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 1: I was sort of disappointed when it turned out he

820
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 1: was straight straight at the end, I know.

821
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 2: But he had that was his little ducky moment with

822
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 2: him and Anna pac One, which I thought was great. Yeah,

823
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 2: he got to have a little little prom romance at

824
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 2: the end of the day. But you know, obviously she's

825
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 2: from a completely different universe than the Freddie Prinn's you know,

826
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:35,720
Speaker 2: man on campus character, right, And there were times where

827
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 2: you know, she was just sort of really intense in

828
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 2: a way that felt like, hmm, maybe this is like

829
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 2: I'm glad you're bringing a little bit of gravitas to

830
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:53,399
Speaker 2: this ridiculous teen movie, but you might be like too

831
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 2: good for the.

832
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you know, something I kind of wanted

833
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 1: to talk about. I'm going to touch upon that, But

834
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 1: something I wanted to this sort of leads into is

835
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:09,320
Speaker 1: like the whole conceit of the movie, which is mocked

836
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 1: often that rache Lee Cook is supposed to be somehow

837
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 1: undesirable yes, prior to her transformation correct, which is like

838
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 1: ridiculous because like she's so stunning, yes and cute. So

839
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 1: I guess I was like, what did you think I mean,

840
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 1: not another t movie is basically making fun of that

841
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 1: whole concept. That whole movie is sort of structured around that,

842
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 1: like making fun of this movie. But what did you

843
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 1: think about, like watching it play out in the movie

844
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:42,879
Speaker 1: despite it being ridiculous?

845
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 2: Oh, I mean, I was like, if she went to

846
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 2: my high school, she'd be having sex before any of

847
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 2: these jocks period, because guess what, there was this whole

848
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 2: other like underworld of nerds like her that were getting

849
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 2: laid on the rags.

850
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:00,080
Speaker 1: Sure, sure, sure, sure.

851
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 2: She was hot, like and the bathing suit scene is

852
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 2: absolute proof of that. I was like, first of all,

853
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 2: the fact that she went to the beach with Zach

854
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 2: was already like a complete betrayal to that character. That

855
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 2: character would have never gone to the beach, probably would

856
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 2: have owned a bathing suit let alone, but she did.

857
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:27,280
Speaker 2: And then, because you ultimately have to have a scene

858
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 2: where the nerd like Clark Kent becomes Superman, you gotta

859
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 2: like take the glasses off, you gotta like get her

860
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 2: in something skimpy and realize she has huge boobs.

861
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:39,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, well they do say. This is a quote from

862
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:44,280
Speaker 1: the movie check out the bobos on Super Freak.

863
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 2: I think that was was uttered by mister Paul Walker,

864
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 2: rest in peace. The bobos gotta love a teenage boy.

865
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:03,840
Speaker 2: But that whole reveal to me was basically like, ain't

866
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 2: no way she would have been a virgin. Ain't no

867
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 2: way she would have been a nerd.

868
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:10,320
Speaker 1: She was hot.

869
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 2: She was hot, and I mean I think there's actually

870
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 2: been interviews with you know, Rachel Lee Cook and some

871
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 2: of the people that made the film that was like,

872
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,720
Speaker 2: we know she was too hot to be this character,

873
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 2: but that was the vibe in ninety nine, is that

874
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 2: you had to put a hot lady as a nerd

875
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 2: in a movie.

876
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, But in defense slightly of the movie, okay, I

877
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 1: thought that it was smart that they made her kind

878
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 1: of a grouch, yes, and like a louder grouse. Like

879
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:46,240
Speaker 1: she was not a she was not like meek at all.

880
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 1: She's like loud and in your face, and I feel

881
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: like they made her kind of unpleasant, which I was

882
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:54,839
Speaker 1: kind of like in a good way. But I was like,

883
00:49:55,239 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 1: I feel like that was that made it work just enough.

884
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:05,840
Speaker 2: For me to like they made her intense, which is

885
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 2: like intense is scary to teenage boys. They don't want

886
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 2: to deal with any woman who has who isn't melting

887
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 2: as I just learned. There's actually like a weird little

888
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 2: speech that Freddy Prince Junior says to Paul Walker in

889
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 2: the movie when he's like, all right, let's pick out

890
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 2: the ugliest, nerdiest, bobolest fucking chick in this high school

891
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:36,479
Speaker 2: for you to make into a swan. And here they're

892
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 2: like picking girls out and like everybody's and that whole

893
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 2: sequence is actually really fascinating to me. It's not that long,

894
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 2: but basically, Freddie Prince Junior is like, you know what,

895
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 2: listen fat, I can deal with I can deal with

896
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 2: like ugly, but if you're like unapproachable and intense, that's

897
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 2: too like a bridge too far. Yeah, yeah, And I

898
00:50:57,120 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 2: kind of thought about that a lot actually, and I

899
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 2: was like, is that true? Can you be extremely hot,

900
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 2: but if you're an intense and unapproachable is it a no?

901
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 2: I still think guys are trying to slide. I don't know,

902
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:17,319
Speaker 2: that's just me.

903
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:21,839
Speaker 1: I think so too. But if it's at like a

904
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 1: contained environment like a high school where they're like, oh

905
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: we tried, people have tried and it's a no go,

906
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 1: you could see how she could be maybe an outcast. Sure, sure,

907
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 1: kind of I mean I barely, barely barely, but like

908
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 1: it was like enough to make it not a problem

909
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 1: for me. I guess something I was like at the

910
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 1: end the thing I had more of a problem with.

911
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 1: At the end, I was like, this concept is so

912
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 1: mean that they would do this bet to like take

913
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 1: her to that she can win prom queen that I

914
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:02,439
Speaker 1: just feel like she forgave too quickly at the end.

915
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 1: I guess that was my biggest problem. I was like,

916
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 1: this seems almost insurmountable to forgiveness, like for her to

917
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 1: forgive him.

918
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 2: I would move schools if somebody bet. If I was like,

919
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 2: if I was the victim of a bet between two

920
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 2: popular boys, I would probably be like an impatient therapy

921
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 2: somewhere for thirty days. Yeah, and then move schools.

922
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 1: I would like join a nunnery.

923
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:36,839
Speaker 2: Yes.

924
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 1: I think it's like it's like so awful, it's like

925
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:48,399
Speaker 1: almost too awful to like come back from. So yeah,

926
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:52,800
Speaker 1: that was that was my biggest My biggest issue with

927
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:53,760
Speaker 1: the movie.

928
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 2: I agree, and I don't know. To me, there is

929
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 2: a lot of nineties coded things happening in this film.

930
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 2: Besides the fact that the real world slash road Roars,

931
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 2: slash MTV spring Break is a huge storyline in this film.

932
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:19,400
Speaker 2: But just tew many how many famous people are in

933
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 2: this movie?

934
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:25,320
Speaker 1: Did you realize crazy? It was really like so insane

935
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 1: and like we both wrote down Lil Kim as a note. Yes,

936
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 1: but she is like I was like, oh my god,

937
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 1: Lil Kim's in this movie, and I feel like I've

938
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 1: seen this movie recently. I didn't remember she was in it,

939
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 1: but she has like two lines and she's like in

940
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 1: the background of some scenes. But I was like, why

941
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 1: is she even in the It's like a thankless role.

942
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:43,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, you've got, of course, Freddy Prince Junior,

943
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 2: Rachel Lee Cook as the principles, but then you have

944
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 2: Matthew Lillard, Paul Walker, Karen Kolkott, as you mentioned, Kevin

945
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 2: Pollack plays Rachel Lee Cook's father, Usher. I obviously Usher, the.

946
00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 1: Star of the show, Star of the show.

947
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 2: Lil Kim first movie role. I didn't even realize that

948
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 2: she had been again in more than one movie or

949
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:12,760
Speaker 2: any movie. Then it's like Anna Paquin plays was Zack's sister,

950
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 2: Gabrielle Union Doulay Hill, I mean Clea Duval is in

951
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 2: this movie. Alexis Arquette is in this movie. Apparently Mile

952
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 2: of vent Emilia is in this movie, even though I

953
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:24,360
Speaker 2: don't remember seeing him at all.

954
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 1: I saw him for like two seconds. He's one of

955
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 1: these soccer players that comes over to clean Rachel Lee

956
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:32,280
Speaker 1: Cook's house.

957
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 2: Okay, and then it was like the craziest one, the

958
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 2: craziest kind of walk on cameo has no lines is

959
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:46,760
Speaker 2: Sarah Michelle Geller, who's in the movie for like two seconds.

960
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:49,719
Speaker 1: Did you know that's the same high school that they

961
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:52,319
Speaker 1: shot Buffy the Vampire Slayer at. Oh?

962
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 2: I didn't know that.

963
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, isn't like Torrence High School or something. Yeah,

964
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:58,839
Speaker 1: And obviously she's married to Freddy Prince Junior now so

965
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:00,800
Speaker 1: maybe they were dating at the time. I can't remember,

966
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:02,840
Speaker 1: but yeah, very funny.

967
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 2: Well, I'm like it's crazy because there's just little people

968
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:08,399
Speaker 2: peppered into this film all over the place. I mean,

969
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 2: one of the guys from Styles of Beyond This like

970
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:14,360
Speaker 2: underground hip hop group, is in the film rapping.

971
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 1: I was gonna say he has to be an actual

972
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:18,240
Speaker 1: rapper because he was good.

973
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I think that they're the ones

974
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:23,320
Speaker 2: that utter the titular phrase.

975
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 1: She's all that wow. But that kind of speaks to

976
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 1: this time period of this huge group of young actors

977
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 1: that were really big at the time, that it's almost

978
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 1: like this is a universe where people are just kind

979
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 1: of like Sarah Michelle Geller is just like walking through

980
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 1: you know, is just and it just sort of speaks

981
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 1: to how many famous young people there were at the

982
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:49,320
Speaker 1: time making movies. You know that in and of itself

983
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 1: is almost its own cinematic universe.

984
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:55,399
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, all right, let's discuss as we have to

985
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 2: discuss with these types of films, especially in this era.

986
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 2: The South on Track for all that this apparently was

987
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 2: the movie that made the song kiss Me by sixpence

988
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 2: none the richer, a chart topping bop. Yeah, what are

989
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:21,360
Speaker 2: your thoughts about this tune?

990
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:26,839
Speaker 1: This tune. I started going to dances when this song

991
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 1: was big, so this was a big part of my

992
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:35,360
Speaker 1: middle school slow dance experience. I remember slow dancing with

993
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 1: girls in like seventh grade to this song, So that's

994
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 1: sort of my main memory of it.

995
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 2: So I will admit something I've never admitted to anybody before,

996
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:48,440
Speaker 2: which is that when this song came on the scene,

997
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 2: I downloaded it from napster.

998
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 1: It took seventeen hours probably, Yeah.

999
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 2: It really did. It took like a couple of days,

1000
00:56:56,200 --> 00:57:01,919
Speaker 2: many many different seeds. I listen to it secretly on

1001
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:05,880
Speaker 2: my first no, I would say probably the second or

1002
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:07,800
Speaker 2: third generation iPod.

1003
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 1: Wow.

1004
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 2: This is again a time where I was listening ulternately

1005
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 2: to in Sync and the Poison album Look what the

1006
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 2: Cat tracked in mm hm, And then I was secretly

1007
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 2: listening to sixpence None of the Richers kiss Me, so

1008
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 2: that and I was doing in secrets so that none

1009
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 2: of my roommates or my friends would make fun of me.

1010
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh, and like if they like try to like

1011
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 1: look at your screen, would you like switch to like

1012
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 1: pavements like slanted and enchanted or something?

1013
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, Like this is all so fucking stupid,

1014
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 2: Like I'm like, why would I give a shit about

1015
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:49,440
Speaker 2: Eddie of this now, Like I'm looking at this as

1016
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 2: a forty six year old woman being like, oh, I

1017
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 2: was like secretly listening to sixpence None of the Richers

1018
00:57:56,080 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 2: Kiss Me while telling people like while I was wearing

1019
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 2: a Jade Tree Record shirt and fucking listening to like

1020
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 2: Yola Tango, like I was like, oh, you know, like

1021
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 2: I'm super cool. And then like the levels of hiding

1022
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 2: that I was doing in this era, like pretending to

1023
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 2: not like in sync, but she's really liking in sync

1024
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 2: straight up telling lies about my investment in the sixpence

1025
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 2: None the Richer song. It's just it feels freeing to

1026
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 2: be old.

1027
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 1: I'm so glad. Yeah, because you were probably like, no, no, no,

1028
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 1: I was listening to butthole Surfers, Locust Abortion Technician. I

1029
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 1: wasn't listening to sixpence No the Richer.

1030
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was like, of course, I'll go with you

1031
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:55,439
Speaker 2: to see Luccio Folchi's The Beyond. Meanwhile, I'm like in

1032
00:58:56,160 --> 00:59:00,920
Speaker 2: like my headphones and like that on the moon Flow,

1033
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:07,160
Speaker 2: even though the video was very Jean lou Gadar right

1034
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 2: or like it was like a Trufau movie or something.

1035
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 2: I don't know, something was.

1036
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 1: It I see, I get, I get that video and

1037
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 1: love me mix love fool, love Me, love me so

1038
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 1: that you love me so kind of mixed up.

1039
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:25,480
Speaker 2: Well, there's a little bit. There's actually I think there's

1040
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 2: more than one video. One of them seems very French

1041
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 2: New Wave, and then there's another one that feels like

1042
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 2: Midsummer Night's Dream, except Freddie Prince Junior's faces.

1043
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 1: And this is kind of floating around in there yet.

1044
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1045
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's yeah huge. That was a huge hit,

1046
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:46,439
Speaker 1: huge hit. You know, they don't really have one hit

1047
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 1: wonders like they used to. This was sort of the

1048
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:53,439
Speaker 1: time of the one hit wonder. I feel like, oh, yeah.

1049
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:57,560
Speaker 2: That's because they you know, we're promoting singles like this

1050
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 2: on MTV and TRL on stuff. Speaking of which, now,

1051
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 2: there was no bones about this at all. I will

1052
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:10,600
Speaker 2: tell you in ninety nine you might not have been

1053
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 2: able to find a bigger fat Boy Slim fan than

1054
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 2: your girl Millie to Jerkey.

1055
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:19,959
Speaker 1: Is that right? Did you have to hide that love

1056
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 1: or were you comfortable sharing that with the public.

1057
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 2: I mean I wasn't.

1058
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:25,200
Speaker 1: I wasn't.

1059
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 2: I was, but for the most part, yes, I was

1060
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:34,200
Speaker 2: very much on board with fat Boy Slim, who he

1061
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 2: had some great songs. Oh so funny to say I

1062
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:44,439
Speaker 2: was a fat Boy Slim fan, but I was. I mean,

1063
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 2: first of all, a lot of people know this who

1064
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:51,200
Speaker 2: are actually cool and actually in you know, like a

1065
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:53,680
Speaker 2: eighties music state of mind. But you know, fat Boy

1066
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:56,440
Speaker 2: Slim aka Norman Cook was the bass player for a

1067
01:00:56,480 --> 01:01:01,200
Speaker 2: band called The House Martins, who are jangly pop eighties Royalty,

1068
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:04,720
Speaker 2: and I was obsessed with The House Martins when I

1069
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 2: was in college, and so when I was like, holy

1070
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:12,000
Speaker 2: fucking shit, Norman Cook from The House Martins is fat

1071
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:15,520
Speaker 2: Boy Slim and now he's doing all these damn jams

1072
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:22,439
Speaker 2: going off played at parties. I mean, listen, I love

1073
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:25,080
Speaker 2: the first actually the first three. I would say, the

1074
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:30,280
Speaker 2: first three flat fat Boy Slim albums are really.

1075
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:31,560
Speaker 1: Good, all right.

1076
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 2: And this was like a huge error for dance music anyway.

1077
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 2: I mean, this is like the late nineties. It was like, yeah,

1078
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 2: if you ain't fucking with Astra works in the late nineties,

1079
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:45,080
Speaker 2: then you were a problem. But there was the whole

1080
01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:51,240
Speaker 2: dance sequence. Yes, yes, it was set to the Rockefeller

1081
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 2: Skank by Fat Boy Slim. And immediately when I saw that,

1082
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, I remember this, like crazy.

1083
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Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, it's well, like I think maybe you mentioned

1084
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:03,480
Speaker 1: this already, but the director of this movie is a

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01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 1: dance choreographer, and you kind of mentioned that the dance

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01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:13,400
Speaker 1: sequence is a little separate stylistically maybe from the rest

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01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:16,960
Speaker 1: of the movie. Because a bunch of high school students

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01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:21,720
Speaker 1: break out into wonderfully choreographed dance to Rockefeller Skank.

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Speaker 2: I quote unquote high school students. What it really felt

1090
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:29,480
Speaker 2: like was that suddenly a bunch of people in their

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01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:34,640
Speaker 2: twenties decided to crash a high school prom and start

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01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:39,240
Speaker 2: doing a dance to to a fat boy Slim song.

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Speaker 2: That is what seemed like could happened in the film.

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01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:43,640
Speaker 1: And you said they had to bring Usher back in

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01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:48,000
Speaker 1: because Usher is like, all right, dance club, why don't

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01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:50,360
Speaker 1: you do that dance that I taught you? And I

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01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 1: actually thought this is a pretty good fix, because you know,

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01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 1: I don't know that worked for me. I was fine

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01:02:57,360 --> 01:02:57,600
Speaker 1: with that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was it listen. I thought that the actual

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01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:06,160
Speaker 2: dance sequence was great me too. It didn't really feature

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01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:09,680
Speaker 2: many of the principal actors in the film so much.

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01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:12,560
Speaker 1: Actually, I would say, Rachel y Cook, you see her

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01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 1: kind of dancing, sort of doing some of the dances

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01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:17,840
Speaker 1: they are doing. But it's basically these yeah, other, these

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01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:22,000
Speaker 1: other people coming in to do this qureaographed dance. But

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01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:23,360
Speaker 1: there was a post fun.

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01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:25,680
Speaker 2: There was a part where Jody Litt O'Keefe, who plays

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01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 2: the Taylor Vaughan, the popular girl character, does this like

1110
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:34,120
Speaker 2: seductive finger licking down the cleavage move that I remember

1111
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:37,360
Speaker 2: from the trailer, like crazy, and so that came the

1112
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:41,400
Speaker 2: memories of her doing that came flooding back. But like, yeah,

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01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 2: it was. It did feel like it's like, oh, let's

1114
01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 2: tuck in this, you know, choreograph dance sequence, a lah

1115
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:50,400
Speaker 2: dirty dancing or something. We'll bring in a bunch of

1116
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 2: professional dancers who will pretend are just the other students

1117
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:57,680
Speaker 2: in the high school, and then we'll throw Usher back

1118
01:03:57,720 --> 01:04:01,280
Speaker 2: in there where he is doing a pop and lock

1119
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 2: and basically like has taught all these people effectively how

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Speaker 2: to do this dance. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's it.

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01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:13,080
Speaker 1: But you know there's other like kind of like I

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01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:15,680
Speaker 1: don't know if you'd say dream sequences, but sort of

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01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:21,160
Speaker 1: like fantasy sequences. This is sort of stylistically not consistent

1124
01:04:21,640 --> 01:04:23,800
Speaker 1: because there's like a part where like Freddie Prince Junior

1125
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:27,479
Speaker 1: imagines he's on the real world with Matthew Lillard. There's

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01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:30,040
Speaker 1: like other sort of fantasy sequences, but they don't quite

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01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:32,920
Speaker 1: work and they're not consistent, and then they had this

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01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:34,800
Speaker 1: dance sequence at the end. So it is a little

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01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:38,160
Speaker 1: bit of a miss of a movie, I suppose, but it's.

1130
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:39,520
Speaker 2: A little messy, little chaotic.

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01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:42,120
Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't care though I was having fun.

1132
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:45,520
Speaker 2: You were just kicking back being like this is cool.

1133
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:47,560
Speaker 2: This is cool for me. I'm not gonna say.

1134
01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:51,360
Speaker 1: Also, a time where it wasn't really like thought of

1135
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:54,120
Speaker 1: as like a totally bad thing for a high school

1136
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 1: student to be dating a grown man who was on

1137
01:04:56,680 --> 01:05:00,680
Speaker 1: the real world. Sure that wasn't really like a scene?

1138
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:02,040
Speaker 1: Is that problematic again?

1139
01:05:02,680 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 2: The late nineties early two thousands. One fact, and maybe this,

1140
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:09,240
Speaker 2: I don't know if you have anything more substantial to.

1141
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:10,560
Speaker 1: Say, nothing else to say.

1142
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:14,040
Speaker 2: Okay, One fact about this movie that I think is

1143
01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:17,560
Speaker 2: actually kind of funny is that there was controversy for

1144
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:20,800
Speaker 2: a while much later, like many years after this movie

1145
01:05:20,840 --> 01:05:26,400
Speaker 2: came out that m Night Shamla was the ghostwriter for

1146
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 2: this film.

1147
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:32,560
Speaker 1: Yes, he claims that at first they were like he

1148
01:05:32,600 --> 01:05:34,800
Speaker 1: did touch ups, but then m Night Shyamalan is like,

1149
01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:37,720
Speaker 1: actually I ghost wrote it, and then the screen the

1150
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:39,640
Speaker 1: credited screenwriters like, no, you didn't.

1151
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:43,840
Speaker 2: Well, he did apparently write the am I a bet?

1152
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:45,200
Speaker 2: Am I a fucking bet.

1153
01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:48,800
Speaker 1: Line, And that's arguably the best line in the movie.

1154
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:50,800
Speaker 1: I mean, it was shocking to hear that f bomb

1155
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:53,040
Speaker 1: dropped in there for a PG thirteen movie.

1156
01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:55,200
Speaker 2: You know, I think you're how many you're allowed a

1157
01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:57,320
Speaker 2: couple f bombs at PG thirteen, Right, I.

1158
01:05:57,320 --> 01:05:58,240
Speaker 1: Think it's just one?

1159
01:05:58,400 --> 01:05:59,520
Speaker 2: Oh really?

1160
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:01,800
Speaker 1: And it was used very well in this one.

1161
01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:06,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, very judiciously. What else to say about She's all

1162
01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:10,240
Speaker 2: that from nineteen ninety nine? I mean again, I think

1163
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:14,080
Speaker 2: the comedy of calling this an usher film.

1164
01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:16,440
Speaker 1: It's a joke. People end up.

1165
01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:24,400
Speaker 2: Geez, what are you like taking this seriously? Or so

1166
01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:27,280
Speaker 2: sweets not what she she keeps saying.

1167
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:30,080
Speaker 1: They say it several times, Oh you really thought that?

1168
01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:32,920
Speaker 1: That's so sweet? Like four different characters say that to

1169
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 1: each other. It's a runner.

1170
01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:38,240
Speaker 2: It's a humiliating runner throughout this entire film.

1171
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:40,360
Speaker 1: I have one last question for you and we can

1172
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:43,439
Speaker 1: wrap this up. Have you ever been to an experimental

1173
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:44,200
Speaker 1: theater show?

1174
01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:49,880
Speaker 2: Yes? Yes I have in La Actually yeah, yeah.

1175
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:52,960
Speaker 1: How have you? Yes? I have? And I think the

1176
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:56,080
Speaker 1: funny thing is, like I've been to a few, and like,

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01:06:56,120 --> 01:06:58,440
Speaker 1: whenever you make fun of like experimental theater like they

1178
01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:01,080
Speaker 1: do in this movie, I'm like, this is this is

1179
01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:02,080
Speaker 1: exactly what it's like.

1180
01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:07,479
Speaker 2: It's ridiculous. Well, actually, can I scope out a little

1181
01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:10,520
Speaker 2: bit further and ask you did you go to your prom?

1182
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:12,520
Speaker 1: So? I was kind of hoping you wouldn't ask me

1183
01:07:12,560 --> 01:07:18,000
Speaker 1: this question. No, because I'm embarrassed to say the answer.

1184
01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:21,400
Speaker 1: And it's not the kind of embarrassed you think it is.

1185
01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:25,520
Speaker 1: I went to prom all four years of high school.

1186
01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:30,440
Speaker 1: I was asked to prom my freshman year by a

1187
01:07:30,560 --> 01:07:32,560
Speaker 1: junior girl that had a crush on me.

1188
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:33,280
Speaker 2: Wow.

1189
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:36,080
Speaker 1: And then my sophomore year, I was dating a girl

1190
01:07:36,080 --> 01:07:38,080
Speaker 1: who was a junior, so she asked me. And then

1191
01:07:38,080 --> 01:07:41,920
Speaker 1: my junior and senior year, I just went normally. So Wow,

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01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:43,280
Speaker 1: I went to prom a lot.

1193
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:46,360
Speaker 2: Wow, So you were kind of popular, and.

1194
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:51,720
Speaker 1: No, I was not. I it's it's these things.

1195
01:07:51,840 --> 01:07:52,880
Speaker 2: What are these rules?

1196
01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:57,440
Speaker 1: Well, anyone can go to prom, you know, like but

1197
01:07:57,680 --> 01:08:00,880
Speaker 1: like the girl who invited me when I was a freshman,

1198
01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:06,160
Speaker 1: I would not say we were in theater together, you know,

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01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:10,240
Speaker 1: we were in same with my girlfriend. My sophomore year

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01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:13,960
Speaker 1: of high school and then junior and senior year, I

1201
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:18,200
Speaker 1: did ask girls to go to the prom, But I

1202
01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:22,080
Speaker 1: would not say I was popular. In fact, I would

1203
01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:25,559
Speaker 1: say I had hardly any friends at all, but I was.

1204
01:08:27,360 --> 01:08:30,840
Speaker 1: High school was challenging. So that's why it's weird to

1205
01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:34,960
Speaker 1: say I went to prom all four years because I

1206
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:39,439
Speaker 1: don't feel like it is reflective of my actual high

1207
01:08:39,479 --> 01:08:40,320
Speaker 1: school experience.

1208
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:45,000
Speaker 2: See, I think when I was in high school, we

1209
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:51,360
Speaker 2: were more or less still operating under the John Hughesyan

1210
01:08:52,320 --> 01:08:56,120
Speaker 2: rules of high school, which meant that if you were

1211
01:08:56,200 --> 01:09:00,040
Speaker 2: a nerd or into art or into music, or so

1212
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:04,280
Speaker 2: basically were anything other than James Spader in Pretty and Pink,

1213
01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:09,400
Speaker 2: you didn't date, You did not go to proms, you

1214
01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:12,679
Speaker 2: did not go to football games, you did not play sports,

1215
01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:14,880
Speaker 2: You did not like do any of the things that

1216
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:18,120
Speaker 2: all these other people did. And it was a very

1217
01:09:18,200 --> 01:09:19,920
Speaker 2: like hard line in the sand. And I feel like

1218
01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:23,000
Speaker 2: that started to get really fuzzy as the nineties rolled on,

1219
01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:28,479
Speaker 2: because I would argue the proliferation of alternative music, which

1220
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:35,559
Speaker 2: made being an outcast now mean nothing. So all the

1221
01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:39,400
Speaker 2: lines got all loosey goosey, and now effectively you could

1222
01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:42,000
Speaker 2: be the biggest loser of her high school and get

1223
01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:45,200
Speaker 2: asked to prom every single year by someone.

1224
01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:49,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, you just get asked by another loser, you know,

1225
01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:52,599
Speaker 1: but you're allowed entry into the prom. Where it seems

1226
01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:56,639
Speaker 1: like before there was an unspoken rule that you wouldn't

1227
01:09:56,680 --> 01:09:58,400
Speaker 1: go to prom or something.

1228
01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:03,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, even though so there was also this In my scenario,

1229
01:10:03,439 --> 01:10:06,639
Speaker 2: I did go to my senior prom. However, I went

1230
01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:10,760
Speaker 2: with a bunch of like freaks, Like I went with

1231
01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:14,160
Speaker 2: my punk rock friends and my gay friends who were

1232
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:19,920
Speaker 2: basically pretending to go with, you know, I don't know,

1233
01:10:20,520 --> 01:10:23,040
Speaker 2: opposite gender people in order to be able to go

1234
01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:27,200
Speaker 2: to prom with their you know whomever, the girlfriends or boyfriends.

1235
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:33,000
Speaker 2: It was a total like fuck you prom experience, and

1236
01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:35,519
Speaker 2: we when we got to the prom, we stayed for

1237
01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:37,600
Speaker 2: literally five minutes and then we just went back to

1238
01:10:37,640 --> 01:10:39,720
Speaker 2: my parents' house and drank all night long. But it

1239
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:43,080
Speaker 2: was like that was the only way I would have

1240
01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:45,720
Speaker 2: gone to prom, and when my high school years is

1241
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:46,080
Speaker 2: to be.

1242
01:10:46,120 --> 01:10:48,320
Speaker 1: Like anti prom, right.

1243
01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:54,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, But it's funny because I feel like now there

1244
01:10:54,240 --> 01:10:57,479
Speaker 2: is none of that, Like I feel like this the

1245
01:10:57,560 --> 01:11:00,639
Speaker 2: prom is available to all, which I suppose is progress, but.

1246
01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:03,600
Speaker 1: Back in the day, I don't even know if it's progress,

1247
01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:09,360
Speaker 1: but it's it's available to you now or something. Sure

1248
01:11:09,400 --> 01:11:12,719
Speaker 1: you can just be a fucking loser at prom instead

1249
01:11:12,720 --> 01:11:13,599
Speaker 1: of at home.

1250
01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:19,959
Speaker 2: Well anyway, I just had to ask those questions because

1251
01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:23,280
Speaker 2: you know, we're talking about this movie, and I guess, yeah,

1252
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:24,040
Speaker 2: it's important.

1253
01:11:24,240 --> 01:11:37,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, everybody we're back for our Area of

1254
01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:41,760
Speaker 1: Expertise segment, my area of expertise, and we've got a

1255
01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:45,880
Speaker 1: wonderful guest today, an old friend, a dear friend of mine.

1256
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:52,040
Speaker 1: Film critic for the Tribune News Service, Katie Walsh. Hi, Katie,

1257
01:11:52,200 --> 01:11:53,759
Speaker 1: thank you for joining us today.

1258
01:11:53,960 --> 01:11:55,240
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me.

1259
01:11:55,320 --> 01:11:58,400
Speaker 4: It's a thrill to be here and to be talking

1260
01:11:58,439 --> 01:12:00,759
Speaker 4: movies with you on the mic once again.

1261
01:12:01,200 --> 01:12:04,280
Speaker 1: Once again. You were a guest on Farthouse I we're

1262
01:12:04,280 --> 01:12:09,000
Speaker 1: a guest on Maximum Film, the show I used to produce,

1263
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:11,680
Speaker 1: and then also you took over hosting duties for a

1264
01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:15,240
Speaker 1: period of time on a show I produced called Switchblade Sisters,

1265
01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:16,519
Speaker 1: and that was when we first kind of got to

1266
01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:17,000
Speaker 1: work together.

1267
01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:19,800
Speaker 4: And that was, Yeah, that was when we first worked

1268
01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:22,080
Speaker 4: together back in the studio, when we were.

1269
01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:25,519
Speaker 1: Like in the studio. It is funny, that was a

1270
01:12:25,560 --> 01:12:29,040
Speaker 1: time you you would never you would never record a

1271
01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:32,679
Speaker 1: podcast over zoom back then, that would be just a sin.

1272
01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:36,240
Speaker 1: And now it's all that's ever done. So it's very funny. Yeah.

1273
01:12:36,240 --> 01:12:38,400
Speaker 1: The first show I remember, the first episode you co

1274
01:12:38,720 --> 01:12:41,479
Speaker 1: you you took over hosting duties on switch Lads Sisters

1275
01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:45,400
Speaker 1: was Adrian Barbo. Yes, talking about is it three Days

1276
01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:46,000
Speaker 1: of the Condor?

1277
01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:48,120
Speaker 4: We did talk about Three Days of the Condor, Yeah,

1278
01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:50,320
Speaker 4: and I was terrified.

1279
01:12:52,040 --> 01:12:54,320
Speaker 1: It was a great episode. And I remember Adrian Barbo

1280
01:12:54,360 --> 01:12:56,760
Speaker 1: actually called my home phone and we chatted for a while,

1281
01:12:56,760 --> 01:13:00,800
Speaker 1: so that was a thrill. Yeah. But anyway, we have

1282
01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:03,960
Speaker 1: you on today. We could talk about so many things, right,

1283
01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:07,479
Speaker 1: because we could talk about so many things. But one

1284
01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:10,360
Speaker 1: of the areas of expertise that you brought up, which

1285
01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:17,880
Speaker 1: I found very titillating, was unhappy rich people on vacation

1286
01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:20,920
Speaker 1: And you even sent a letterbox list. Now is this

1287
01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:24,200
Speaker 1: a public list? Can people find this on letterbox? Oh?

1288
01:13:24,280 --> 01:13:25,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is a public list.

1289
01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:32,120
Speaker 4: One of my passions is making really highly specific letterbox lists.

1290
01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:37,000
Speaker 4: I haven't made one in a while, but I every

1291
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:39,040
Speaker 4: now and then, you know, inspiration strikes.

1292
01:13:40,280 --> 01:13:42,360
Speaker 3: But this is just I would say, I don't know

1293
01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:43,840
Speaker 3: if this is my area of expertise.

1294
01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:46,840
Speaker 4: It is an area of enthusiasm for me, that's all

1295
01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:51,920
Speaker 4: we require. It is a subgenre of movies that just

1296
01:13:52,120 --> 01:13:56,040
Speaker 4: it always hits for me. I also just think it's

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Speaker 4: like a cheat code for filmmakers because if they're rich

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01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:03,840
Speaker 4: people and they're on vacation, you can be in a

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01:14:03,880 --> 01:14:07,160
Speaker 4: beautiful location, and it's like, wouldn't you rather see someone

1300
01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:11,439
Speaker 4: break up against like a stunning vista or like, you know,

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01:14:11,479 --> 01:14:14,560
Speaker 4: it just like gives you like extra beauty and cinematic

1302
01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:19,080
Speaker 4: qualities are like potential. And you also have like inherent

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01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:23,800
Speaker 4: conflict because you have, you know, people who maybe are

1304
01:14:24,360 --> 01:14:28,160
Speaker 4: you know, dealing with things prior to going on vacation,

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01:14:28,240 --> 01:14:31,559
Speaker 4: and then suddenly they're in this new setting and so

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01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:36,759
Speaker 4: it's like they're interacting with new people their real issues

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01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:40,800
Speaker 4: are coming to light in a way that I think

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01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:43,599
Speaker 4: just like it's like inherent conflict and like inherent beauty

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01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:46,120
Speaker 4: are like baked into the subgenre. So like this is

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01:14:46,160 --> 01:14:49,000
Speaker 4: just the kind of thing that I will always enjoy watching.

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01:14:49,080 --> 01:14:50,879
Speaker 4: It's also basically just white lotus.

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Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, like, I think that's one

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01:14:53,479 --> 01:14:55,960
Speaker 1: of the reasons that White Lotus works so well on

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01:14:56,040 --> 01:14:58,800
Speaker 1: all of the points you're hitting upon, you know, just

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01:14:58,840 --> 01:15:01,320
Speaker 1: like the inherent conflict, And I also think there's something

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01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:04,879
Speaker 1: true to that in real life, like, oh, the fights

1317
01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:09,280
Speaker 1: you get in with your partner and other family members

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01:15:09,439 --> 01:15:12,280
Speaker 1: on vacation some of the worst fights you'll ever have

1319
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:16,200
Speaker 1: in your life. You know, it's interesting because it's a

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01:15:16,280 --> 01:15:24,240
Speaker 1: wide ranging genre. It encapsulates, you know, silly comedies like

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01:15:24,240 --> 01:15:26,800
Speaker 1: I would include Sex in the City too, which is.

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01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:32,920
Speaker 4: That was so I requested. I did Solicitations on Blue Sky.

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01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:33,439
Speaker 1: The other day.

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Speaker 3: I was like, what else would you put on this list?

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01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:37,880
Speaker 4: And someone suggested sex in the City too, and I

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01:15:37,960 --> 01:15:41,080
Speaker 4: was like, that's deranged and I love it.

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01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:42,799
Speaker 3: But I left it on there.

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01:15:42,680 --> 01:15:45,200
Speaker 4: Because I do think it's Yeah, so you can have

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01:15:45,240 --> 01:15:47,360
Speaker 4: like a silly comedy, you can have a horror movie,

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01:15:47,400 --> 01:15:50,840
Speaker 4: like someone suggested Speak No Evil, which I don't know

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01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:53,800
Speaker 4: if you've seen that film. There's two m I have not.

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01:15:54,120 --> 01:15:58,320
Speaker 4: Have you seen that, Millie, I haven't. No, the original

1333
01:15:58,680 --> 01:16:04,439
Speaker 4: is Danish or something. But then there's the remake that

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01:16:04,640 --> 01:16:07,679
Speaker 4: is with James McAvoy. I knew it was a James

1335
01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:10,439
Speaker 4: James mcoy. Yeah, that came out this.

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01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:14,280
Speaker 3: Year last year year. Yeah, I put the original on there.

1337
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:16,960
Speaker 4: But the reason why this works is because, so I

1338
01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:20,040
Speaker 4: think that they're the key quality to this is that

1339
01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:23,720
Speaker 4: the people need to already have some problem going on

1340
01:16:24,120 --> 01:16:25,240
Speaker 4: when they get.

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01:16:25,040 --> 01:16:25,839
Speaker 3: To the vacation.

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01:16:26,680 --> 01:16:31,599
Speaker 4: Yes, true, because like someone else had suggested the Julia

1343
01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:35,760
Speaker 4: Roberts Netflix movie Leave the World Behind, which I was like,

1344
01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:39,200
Speaker 4: I think they're like pretty okay, and then bad stuff

1345
01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:42,639
Speaker 4: happens when they get there. It's like, yeah, so it's

1346
01:16:42,720 --> 01:16:44,679
Speaker 4: like kind of hard to pin down a little bit.

1347
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:48,160
Speaker 4: But the reason why I put Speak No Evil on

1348
01:16:48,360 --> 01:16:52,680
Speaker 4: is because the guy is like already unhappy and that

1349
01:16:52,880 --> 01:16:56,800
Speaker 4: is what sparks him to like go on this absolutely

1350
01:16:58,200 --> 01:17:01,160
Speaker 4: misguided trip to go of his at these random people

1351
01:17:01,320 --> 01:17:04,559
Speaker 4: that he Basically it starts with that he's on vacation

1352
01:17:04,680 --> 01:17:07,400
Speaker 4: with his wife and his child and in Italy or something,

1353
01:17:07,439 --> 01:17:09,519
Speaker 4: and they meet this other couple and this other couple's like,

1354
01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:11,559
Speaker 4: oh my god, we're so cool, like come hang out

1355
01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:14,200
Speaker 4: with us, and then they invite them to come visit them.

1356
01:17:14,720 --> 01:17:17,000
Speaker 4: And then the guy's like so unhappy and he has

1357
01:17:17,040 --> 01:17:19,439
Speaker 4: no friends that he's like, oh yeah, let's go visit them.

1358
01:17:19,439 --> 01:17:21,960
Speaker 4: And then they go visit them and horrible, horrible things happen.

1359
01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:25,960
Speaker 4: So it is like a really terrifying horror film. But

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01:17:26,040 --> 01:17:29,040
Speaker 4: like this what sparks him to go do this is

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01:17:29,080 --> 01:17:31,880
Speaker 4: already his like inherent unhappiness.

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01:17:32,200 --> 01:17:34,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, they have to carry there, there has to be

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01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:38,880
Speaker 1: some baggage entering into the vacation. Yeah, I think a

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01:17:38,920 --> 01:17:42,439
Speaker 1: lot of these too, even if they're not horror movies,

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01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:46,559
Speaker 1: there is sort of a I don't know if scary

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01:17:46,680 --> 01:17:53,240
Speaker 1: element because people are so out of their comfort zone.

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01:17:53,280 --> 01:17:57,080
Speaker 1: They're not at home, there's someplace else where the rules

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01:17:57,120 --> 01:18:01,120
Speaker 1: are different and they have no control over their surrendymore.

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01:18:01,600 --> 01:18:04,599
Speaker 1: You know, like even like The Dar Deealing Limited, which

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01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:07,439
Speaker 1: is on the list. That's not a scary movie obviously,

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01:18:07,479 --> 01:18:11,559
Speaker 1: but there is some sort of level of like things

1372
01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:15,120
Speaker 1: are out of control and something could go really wrong,

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01:18:15,720 --> 01:18:15,960
Speaker 1: you know.

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Speaker 2: I think vacations are like that period. There's always an

1375
01:18:18,720 --> 01:18:21,320
Speaker 2: element of like, I mean, have you ever gone on

1376
01:18:21,320 --> 01:18:24,920
Speaker 2: a vacation with your parents before? Yes, yeah, that's like,

1377
01:18:25,040 --> 01:18:26,280
Speaker 2: this is one of the scariest things that.

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01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:27,439
Speaker 1: I have ever heard.

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01:18:28,439 --> 01:18:30,000
Speaker 2: And I went abroad with them. I went to like

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01:18:30,040 --> 01:18:32,400
Speaker 2: Italy with them, and I was like terrified for all

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01:18:32,439 --> 01:18:33,519
Speaker 2: of us at all times.

1382
01:18:33,560 --> 01:18:37,080
Speaker 1: See anything bad happen when you were Yeah, we.

1383
01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:40,000
Speaker 2: Blew out a tire on the autostrata and I was

1384
01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:44,200
Speaker 2: absolutely terrified because everyone's going like one hundred and fifty

1385
01:18:44,240 --> 01:18:47,320
Speaker 2: miles an hour. My dad speaks Italian because he's Italian,

1386
01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:51,360
Speaker 2: thank god, because if he had it, we would be

1387
01:18:51,400 --> 01:18:53,960
Speaker 2: in the middle of the Italian countryside with like no

1388
01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:57,320
Speaker 2: way to communicate. They actually when they came to pick

1389
01:18:57,400 --> 01:18:59,680
Speaker 2: us up, we had a rental, so I called the

1390
01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:01,519
Speaker 2: run company. I was like, we blew out a tire.

1391
01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:05,240
Speaker 2: They brought tow truck, and then the tow truck driver

1392
01:19:05,560 --> 01:19:08,439
Speaker 2: made my mom and I sit in the car on

1393
01:19:08,479 --> 01:19:13,320
Speaker 2: the flatbed, which is illegal in America.

1394
01:19:13,680 --> 01:19:16,040
Speaker 1: Encouraged in Italy and illegal in America.

1395
01:19:16,080 --> 01:19:19,040
Speaker 2: Oh my god, but oh I know it was We

1396
01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:21,240
Speaker 2: were like, this is some final destination shit, Like if

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01:19:21,240 --> 01:19:23,320
Speaker 2: we die in Italy on this flatbed, then that's what

1398
01:19:23,360 --> 01:19:25,760
Speaker 2: that's what's gonna happen. But yeah, that's the thing is that,

1399
01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:28,360
Speaker 2: like it's like so unpredictable, and so if you're already

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01:19:28,439 --> 01:19:32,000
Speaker 2: unhappy and your marriage or your relationship is already like

1401
01:19:32,040 --> 01:19:33,760
Speaker 2: tenuous to begin with, and then you end up in

1402
01:19:33,800 --> 01:19:37,919
Speaker 2: a situation like something like that, that's a thriller bare minimum.

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01:19:38,280 --> 01:19:43,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. What movies would you say, you know kind

1404
01:19:43,439 --> 01:19:48,439
Speaker 1: of you know, sparked this sort of connection where you're like, oh,

1405
01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:50,800
Speaker 1: there might be a list, there might be a letterboxed

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01:19:51,040 --> 01:19:54,320
Speaker 1: list I could put together based on these few you know,

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01:19:54,479 --> 01:19:56,479
Speaker 1: because usually it kind of starts with like two or

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01:19:56,479 --> 01:19:58,799
Speaker 1: three movies where you're like, oh, I'm making connections between

1409
01:19:58,800 --> 01:20:02,120
Speaker 1: these two. What what were the kind of impetus movies

1410
01:20:02,160 --> 01:20:04,599
Speaker 1: for this passion of yours.

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01:20:04,760 --> 01:20:09,160
Speaker 4: So the actual inspiration was this movie Frankie, which is

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01:20:09,160 --> 01:20:13,040
Speaker 4: on the list. It's an iris Ax movie from twenty

1413
01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:17,439
Speaker 4: nineteen starring Isabelle Hupeer and it's she plays a really

1414
01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:21,320
Speaker 4: famous French actress who's gathered her whole family in Portugal

1415
01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:26,760
Speaker 4: and she's got a secret and she's going to tell

1416
01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:30,960
Speaker 4: them something and everyone can sort of feel the tension

1417
01:20:31,120 --> 01:20:33,240
Speaker 4: and they don't know what's going on with her, and

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01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:37,200
Speaker 4: there's like she invites Marissa Tomey, who she wants to

1419
01:20:37,200 --> 01:20:39,799
Speaker 4: set up with her son, but then Marissa Tomey brings

1420
01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:42,680
Speaker 4: Greg Kinnear because she's dating him. So there's these like

1421
01:20:42,720 --> 01:20:46,439
Speaker 4: weird sort of relationship things going on, and no one

1422
01:20:46,479 --> 01:20:49,360
Speaker 4: really knows why she's brought them all there, and it's

1423
01:20:49,400 --> 01:20:53,840
Speaker 4: just this like very sort of like quiet, beautiful, you know,

1424
01:20:53,960 --> 01:20:57,280
Speaker 4: sort of lightly simmering tension, and I just I remember

1425
01:20:57,320 --> 01:21:00,559
Speaker 4: watching it and being like, oh, like I just love

1426
01:21:00,600 --> 01:21:04,599
Speaker 4: this because they're in a beautiful location and there's all

1427
01:21:04,640 --> 01:21:08,720
Speaker 4: this interfamilial drama going on and like it literally could

1428
01:21:08,760 --> 01:21:13,200
Speaker 4: be like slowest vibe and I would I would just drink.

1429
01:21:12,960 --> 01:21:14,640
Speaker 1: It up absolutely.

1430
01:21:15,400 --> 01:21:17,320
Speaker 4: And then I think also, like I really do have

1431
01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:23,720
Speaker 4: a passion for like New England wedding movies. Margo at

1432
01:21:23,760 --> 01:21:25,640
Speaker 4: the Wedding is on this list. Oh, I need to

1433
01:21:25,640 --> 01:21:29,960
Speaker 4: put Rachel getting Married on this list. And there's this

1434
01:21:30,040 --> 01:21:32,439
Speaker 4: movie Ceremony. I don't know if you guys have ever

1435
01:21:32,479 --> 01:21:37,960
Speaker 4: seen Ceremony. It's with Uma Thurman. Is Ceremony on here?

1436
01:21:38,120 --> 01:21:41,799
Speaker 3: Yes it is. It's directed by.

1437
01:21:41,640 --> 01:21:45,400
Speaker 4: Max Winkler, who is Henry Winkler's son, and Uma Thurman

1438
01:21:45,479 --> 01:21:47,920
Speaker 4: is like getting married to someone else, but Michael and

1439
01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:50,400
Speaker 4: Gerano is like in love with her. So it's this

1440
01:21:51,000 --> 01:21:54,439
Speaker 4: They're at this New England beach wedding and there's this

1441
01:21:55,160 --> 01:22:00,479
Speaker 4: weird sort of unrequited crush tension happening, and I just

1442
01:22:00,520 --> 01:22:02,519
Speaker 4: remember seeing it's like no one's seen this movie. I

1443
01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:05,640
Speaker 4: think it's like so delightful. So yeah, I think it

1444
01:22:05,720 --> 01:22:09,920
Speaker 4: was like the combo of Frankie. And then these like

1445
01:22:10,439 --> 01:22:13,680
Speaker 4: weird wedding movies that I love watching.

1446
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:16,960
Speaker 1: And so you just inspired me another one. Have you

1447
01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:20,200
Speaker 1: ever seen the Celebration by Thomas Vinterbur Yes?

1448
01:22:20,640 --> 01:22:23,280
Speaker 3: Great, that's a good one. Actually, Okay, we're gonna put

1449
01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:23,439
Speaker 3: that on.

1450
01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:25,880
Speaker 1: It's a fucked up that's very fun up.

1451
01:22:26,840 --> 01:22:28,920
Speaker 2: I like this is like a working document. I love it.

1452
01:22:29,040 --> 01:22:31,839
Speaker 1: I know I'm loving this. I'm feeling I'm getting inspired

1453
01:22:31,960 --> 01:22:34,040
Speaker 1: just like hearing all these movies and it's just like

1454
01:22:34,080 --> 01:22:36,680
Speaker 1: you have so many on here, and there's like it

1455
01:22:36,760 --> 01:22:40,080
Speaker 1: really is a fertile genre. Yeah.

1456
01:22:40,080 --> 01:22:45,160
Speaker 4: I got so many from the My Blue Sky Friends.

1457
01:22:45,800 --> 01:22:48,840
Speaker 4: One that I had overlooked but I was obsessed that

1458
01:22:48,920 --> 01:22:51,640
Speaker 4: someone suggested was this movie Doddsworth.

1459
01:22:51,880 --> 01:22:52,719
Speaker 3: Have you guys seen.

1460
01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:54,519
Speaker 2: Dodds work love dods Worth.

1461
01:22:54,600 --> 01:22:57,960
Speaker 3: I love Dodds or it's do you want to talk

1462
01:22:57,960 --> 01:22:58,280
Speaker 3: about it?

1463
01:22:58,320 --> 01:22:59,439
Speaker 1: Millie? Yeah.

1464
01:22:59,520 --> 01:23:02,479
Speaker 2: I mean, for first of all, I have to say, like,

1465
01:23:02,479 --> 01:23:05,479
Speaker 2: for the record, I love the spread of the like

1466
01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:07,720
Speaker 2: the different movies on this list because you have like

1467
01:23:07,800 --> 01:23:12,160
Speaker 2: older movies like Dodsworth on there. I mean, You've got like, uh,

1468
01:23:12,200 --> 01:23:16,280
Speaker 2: Separate Tables, which is another like great great film about

1469
01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:22,439
Speaker 2: rich people on happy occasion. And there's also like a

1470
01:23:22,479 --> 01:23:24,639
Speaker 2: lot of these movies on your list now that I'm

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01:23:25,120 --> 01:23:27,840
Speaker 2: going up and down it, a lot of them take

1472
01:23:27,880 --> 01:23:30,960
Speaker 2: place on boats, which I think is actually like extra chic.

1473
01:23:31,720 --> 01:23:34,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, comes to you know, they're an island even, Yeah,

1474
01:23:34,760 --> 01:23:38,280
Speaker 1: like the islands and boats.

1475
01:23:37,120 --> 01:23:38,400
Speaker 3: Like being contained.

1476
01:23:39,400 --> 01:23:43,040
Speaker 4: Like I think when you think about like like, uh,

1477
01:23:43,200 --> 01:23:47,320
Speaker 4: these older films like Dodd's Worth, Like I love those

1478
01:23:47,360 --> 01:23:51,160
Speaker 4: older classical Hollywood films where it's like, oh, I'm going

1479
01:23:51,240 --> 01:23:54,240
Speaker 4: to take an ocean liner cruise and then you know,

1480
01:23:54,280 --> 01:23:56,680
Speaker 4: every night they're getting super dressed up and then like

1481
01:23:56,800 --> 01:24:02,360
Speaker 4: meeting some random man and the like drinks cocktail area,

1482
01:24:02,520 --> 01:24:06,840
Speaker 4: and like I just those were That's such a glamorous

1483
01:24:07,320 --> 01:24:11,040
Speaker 4: setting for me. But also like because they're confined on

1484
01:24:11,080 --> 01:24:14,200
Speaker 4: this ocean liner, they are like they keep running into

1485
01:24:14,200 --> 01:24:16,920
Speaker 4: the same people and they keep being stuck with each

1486
01:24:16,920 --> 01:24:19,719
Speaker 4: other or something. So yeah, boats are a good setting

1487
01:24:19,760 --> 01:24:20,040
Speaker 4: for that.

1488
01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:22,760
Speaker 1: I think a big part of this genre too, is

1489
01:24:22,800 --> 01:24:25,439
Speaker 1: which is something I experienced on vacation every single time.

1490
01:24:26,280 --> 01:24:28,720
Speaker 1: Every time I go on vacation, especially when I was

1491
01:24:28,760 --> 01:24:32,120
Speaker 1: like a teenager, I would be like I have a

1492
01:24:32,160 --> 01:24:35,600
Speaker 1: completely different personality. I am a different person, Like I

1493
01:24:35,640 --> 01:24:39,080
Speaker 1: am going to like be a completely different person. Nobody

1494
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:42,160
Speaker 1: knows me here. I can kind of like be someone

1495
01:24:42,439 --> 01:24:46,920
Speaker 1: new here, you know. And I don't know if there's

1496
01:24:46,960 --> 01:24:51,440
Speaker 1: any movies on here that are specifically like about that concept.

1497
01:24:51,479 --> 01:24:54,559
Speaker 1: But there is a little bit of that, like even

1498
01:24:54,600 --> 01:24:58,639
Speaker 1: in like Lost in Translation, where it's like you're away

1499
01:24:58,640 --> 01:25:00,599
Speaker 1: from who you are and so you can be whoever

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01:25:00,640 --> 01:25:04,960
Speaker 1: you want to be, or like even Infinity Pool in

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01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:09,360
Speaker 1: a darker sense, like these people are like like, oh,

1502
01:25:09,400 --> 01:25:15,040
Speaker 1: I can be like a murderer, sex insane person right now, like.

1503
01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:20,759
Speaker 4: Why not try the drug or g Yeah exactly, but yeah.

1504
01:25:20,840 --> 01:25:24,240
Speaker 4: I also think there there's an element of like, yeah,

1505
01:25:24,280 --> 01:25:26,839
Speaker 4: trying on something new, but also this idea of wherever

1506
01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:31,559
Speaker 4: you go, there you are. I think that there's like

1507
01:25:31,600 --> 01:25:35,320
Speaker 4: a lot of expectations that people have for trips or

1508
01:25:35,400 --> 01:25:40,800
Speaker 4: vacations or trying something new, where it's like, oh, like

1509
01:25:40,840 --> 01:25:43,400
Speaker 4: I have really high expectations for how this trip is

1510
01:25:43,439 --> 01:25:45,920
Speaker 4: going to be and then it's like not that and

1511
01:25:45,960 --> 01:25:46,840
Speaker 4: it's disappointing.

1512
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:50,720
Speaker 2: I absolutely love that Sex and the City Too is

1513
01:25:50,720 --> 01:25:54,880
Speaker 2: on here, and I'll tell you why because I I

1514
01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:57,240
Speaker 2: don't know if you, if either of you have been

1515
01:25:57,280 --> 01:26:01,000
Speaker 2: watching the new season of and just like that, I

1516
01:26:01,160 --> 01:26:02,240
Speaker 2: have you watched it all?

1517
01:26:04,120 --> 01:26:06,599
Speaker 4: Okay, I have been cursed by a witch to watch

1518
01:26:06,640 --> 01:26:09,040
Speaker 4: all of it. Just like that, I am doing it

1519
01:26:09,080 --> 01:26:12,000
Speaker 4: against my will. I do not enjoy the show, but

1520
01:26:12,120 --> 01:26:15,000
Speaker 4: I can't stop watching it.

1521
01:26:15,080 --> 01:26:18,320
Speaker 2: Oh it's like smoking cigarettes. I'm like, I can't believe

1522
01:26:18,320 --> 01:26:20,360
Speaker 2: I'm doing this. This is gross, but I kind of

1523
01:26:20,439 --> 01:26:23,760
Speaker 2: enjoy it. I don't know, I'm I can't totally and

1524
01:26:23,800 --> 01:26:26,120
Speaker 2: it's like, and now my favorite thing to do is

1525
01:26:26,160 --> 01:26:30,280
Speaker 2: to go on TikTok and watch people make videos bashing

1526
01:26:30,320 --> 01:26:33,479
Speaker 2: the new season of just that. I'm like, oh my god,

1527
01:26:33,520 --> 01:26:37,280
Speaker 2: I'm obsessed, but you know, it's been on my brain

1528
01:26:37,479 --> 01:26:40,719
Speaker 2: and now that I'm like, you've made the connection point

1529
01:26:40,720 --> 01:26:42,880
Speaker 2: that Sex and the City two is an unhappy rich

1530
01:26:42,920 --> 01:26:45,679
Speaker 2: people on vacation movie. And then also and just also

1531
01:26:45,880 --> 01:26:51,800
Speaker 2: how ridiculous that movie is. The vacation on that in

1532
01:26:51,880 --> 01:26:55,920
Speaker 2: that movie is ridiculous where it's complete wish fulfillment bullshit.

1533
01:26:55,960 --> 01:27:00,280
Speaker 2: It's like, you know whatever, like walk into these like incredible,

1534
01:27:00,760 --> 01:27:03,519
Speaker 2: you know, hotels and have people like wait on them

1535
01:27:03,560 --> 01:27:05,559
Speaker 2: hand and foot, and then they just have all these

1536
01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:08,800
Speaker 2: like stupid adventures that are like sort of racist, and

1537
01:27:08,840 --> 01:27:12,720
Speaker 2: you're the fuck is going on? And I just I

1538
01:27:12,800 --> 01:27:15,400
Speaker 2: love that that's on this list. I just love.

1539
01:27:15,560 --> 01:27:15,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1540
01:27:15,960 --> 01:27:20,920
Speaker 4: A shout out to the person who suggested that, I

1541
01:27:21,280 --> 01:27:24,400
Speaker 4: have to admit I've never seen this movie because I

1542
01:27:24,520 --> 01:27:26,320
Speaker 4: hate but now I kind of want to watch it.

1543
01:27:26,640 --> 01:27:29,000
Speaker 1: Oh you have to the rub On it was that

1544
01:27:29,040 --> 01:27:33,160
Speaker 1: it was like this movie is racist, like you mentioned MILLI, Oh.

1545
01:27:33,120 --> 01:27:35,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, like and it has this it has a very

1546
01:27:35,840 --> 01:27:40,280
Speaker 2: similar vibe to is it this what is the Bridget

1547
01:27:40,360 --> 01:27:44,040
Speaker 2: Jones sequel? That it also has this weird moment of like,

1548
01:27:44,479 --> 01:27:46,920
Speaker 2: oh edge of Reason, Yeah, Edge of Reason where like

1549
01:27:47,120 --> 01:27:51,200
Speaker 2: white ladies are trying to bond with like the like

1550
01:27:51,680 --> 01:27:55,080
Speaker 2: women of the country that they've they've gone to when

1551
01:27:55,080 --> 01:27:57,840
Speaker 2: it's this weird like let me show you how American

1552
01:27:57,920 --> 01:28:00,120
Speaker 2: women live, you know, when you're like, what the fuck

1553
01:28:00,240 --> 01:28:00,720
Speaker 2: is going on?

1554
01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:03,280
Speaker 4: Doesn't she end up in like a tie prison in

1555
01:28:03,320 --> 01:28:04,200
Speaker 4: that one?

1556
01:28:05,640 --> 01:28:06,639
Speaker 1: And like I.

1557
01:28:06,560 --> 01:28:09,200
Speaker 2: Feel like, very similarly, there's a moment in Sex and

1558
01:28:09,240 --> 01:28:11,719
Speaker 2: the City where the same thing is happening, like literally

1559
01:28:11,840 --> 01:28:14,760
Speaker 2: and I just am like, what is this right now?

1560
01:28:15,120 --> 01:28:15,479
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1561
01:28:15,800 --> 01:28:17,680
Speaker 4: I need, I really need to watch it. It's like

1562
01:28:17,720 --> 01:28:20,439
Speaker 4: the smoking cigarettes thing. But I like, I have such

1563
01:28:20,439 --> 01:28:24,280
Speaker 4: a fraught relationship with this franchise. Oh me too, Like

1564
01:28:24,360 --> 01:28:27,000
Speaker 4: I've I watched all of the series. I'm pretty sure

1565
01:28:27,000 --> 01:28:30,400
Speaker 4: it gave me brain damage. I watched the first movie.

1566
01:28:30,520 --> 01:28:32,760
Speaker 4: I hated the first movie so much, I refuse to

1567
01:28:32,760 --> 01:28:35,200
Speaker 4: see the second movie, and now I have to watch

1568
01:28:35,720 --> 01:28:41,439
Speaker 4: this goddamn series that makes no sense and listen, in the.

1569
01:28:41,439 --> 01:28:44,679
Speaker 2: Spirit of being a completist, you've got to choke down

1570
01:28:44,680 --> 01:28:48,360
Speaker 2: that second movie just to do it, because you will,

1571
01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:52,040
Speaker 2: like watch your sream, you will want to scream. And

1572
01:28:52,160 --> 01:28:54,320
Speaker 2: I only watch it once. I only needed to watch

1573
01:28:54,320 --> 01:28:55,000
Speaker 2: it the one time.

1574
01:28:55,200 --> 01:28:57,880
Speaker 4: But yeah, yeah, I think I need to just you know,

1575
01:28:58,240 --> 01:29:01,040
Speaker 4: really just take it in because the thing is, once

1576
01:29:01,080 --> 01:29:04,840
Speaker 4: I realize that that Carrie Bradshaw is a villain and

1577
01:29:04,880 --> 01:29:07,920
Speaker 4: a horrible friend, Like now that like.

1578
01:29:08,080 --> 01:29:09,160
Speaker 3: It makes more sense to me.

1579
01:29:09,600 --> 01:29:14,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like that's like the one thing that I

1580
01:29:14,120 --> 01:29:17,640
Speaker 2: do anytime I get on TikTok and any there is

1581
01:29:17,760 --> 01:29:20,360
Speaker 2: any sex the city discourse at all. It's like Carrie's

1582
01:29:20,360 --> 01:29:22,640
Speaker 2: a villain and it is really the funnest way to

1583
01:29:22,960 --> 01:29:25,599
Speaker 2: watch it now, Like when you watch everything, you're like, oh, yeah,

1584
01:29:25,640 --> 01:29:27,040
Speaker 2: she's she's.

1585
01:29:26,760 --> 01:29:31,040
Speaker 4: A monster, Like I want Miranda to free herself from

1586
01:29:31,120 --> 01:29:31,760
Speaker 4: that friendship.

1587
01:29:34,280 --> 01:29:38,080
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, that is so fun. But actually, now

1588
01:29:38,120 --> 01:29:41,720
Speaker 2: that I'm thinking about it, is Bridget shows The Edge

1589
01:29:41,760 --> 01:29:44,720
Speaker 2: of Reason. Is that a vacation that's a vacation movie, right,

1590
01:29:44,800 --> 01:29:46,160
Speaker 2: or maybe that's a work trip.

1591
01:29:46,240 --> 01:29:46,680
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1592
01:29:46,920 --> 01:29:49,559
Speaker 3: Maybe that's let's do some research. I can't. I can

1593
01:29:49,600 --> 01:29:50,639
Speaker 3: barely remember that one.

1594
01:29:50,760 --> 01:29:54,080
Speaker 2: I know somebody, way, somebody wig in any als will

1595
01:29:54,080 --> 01:29:54,639
Speaker 2: figure it out.

1596
01:29:54,840 --> 01:29:58,519
Speaker 1: So, Katie, are there any directors that come to mind

1597
01:29:58,600 --> 01:30:02,120
Speaker 1: that you feel like would really nail and unhappy rich

1598
01:30:02,600 --> 01:30:04,479
Speaker 1: people on vacation movie?

1599
01:30:04,760 --> 01:30:07,200
Speaker 4: Well, I think like the two kings of this are

1600
01:30:07,640 --> 01:30:09,519
Speaker 4: Ruben Ousland and.

1601
01:30:10,840 --> 01:30:11,880
Speaker 3: Luca Guadanino.

1602
01:30:12,280 --> 01:30:16,160
Speaker 1: Well, Ruben Ausland did most recently did Triangle of Sadness,

1603
01:30:16,240 --> 01:30:20,960
Speaker 1: which is like a perfect example of yes, things really

1604
01:30:21,000 --> 01:30:22,960
Speaker 1: go wrong on that vacation, I would.

1605
01:30:22,800 --> 01:30:26,479
Speaker 4: Say, and he did Force Majeure, which yes, I was

1606
01:30:26,520 --> 01:30:29,559
Speaker 4: trying like there is like already marital tension, but it's

1607
01:30:29,600 --> 01:30:35,200
Speaker 4: like the Avalanche like reveals the tension in that film.

1608
01:30:35,360 --> 01:30:38,720
Speaker 4: But I think it counts. And I also put the

1609
01:30:38,880 --> 01:30:40,680
Speaker 4: American remake Downhill.

1610
01:30:41,200 --> 01:30:44,240
Speaker 1: I saw that I haven't seen the I had to.

1611
01:30:44,439 --> 01:30:46,120
Speaker 3: I had to review it.

1612
01:30:46,320 --> 01:30:48,599
Speaker 1: Oh, and you said, Luca Guadadino is the king who

1613
01:30:48,680 --> 01:30:51,960
Speaker 1: did like the Bigger, Bigger and also.

1614
01:30:51,880 --> 01:30:53,679
Speaker 3: Probably my favorite Guadaniina movie.

1615
01:30:54,280 --> 01:30:56,800
Speaker 1: And Call Me by Your Name is kind of essentially

1616
01:30:57,560 --> 01:30:59,880
Speaker 1: it's like a movie.

1617
01:31:00,240 --> 01:31:02,839
Speaker 3: But you could even say Bones and All is a vacage.

1618
01:31:03,680 --> 01:31:06,080
Speaker 2: It is tree road trip movie. That's type one.

1619
01:31:06,560 --> 01:31:10,040
Speaker 1: Hey, they're in Minnesota for a big part of them. Yeah,

1620
01:31:10,240 --> 01:31:16,360
Speaker 1: and even like Challengers and I Am Love, they feel

1621
01:31:16,640 --> 01:31:21,280
Speaker 1: so vacation. They they're they're like vacation coded movie. They

1622
01:31:21,280 --> 01:31:25,360
Speaker 1: are vacation. I feel like there's a freedom to them.

1623
01:31:25,600 --> 01:31:27,720
Speaker 4: But yeah, Queer, I think would really count because the

1624
01:31:27,760 --> 01:31:30,240
Speaker 4: guy would Yeah, I haven't seen that. He well, he's

1625
01:31:30,320 --> 01:31:34,679
Speaker 4: clearly like wealthy and just living off of his family

1626
01:31:34,760 --> 01:31:39,360
Speaker 4: money in Mexico, just having a time tying one on.

1627
01:31:41,640 --> 01:31:46,000
Speaker 4: But who could nail this? I need to think about this.

1628
01:31:46,360 --> 01:31:49,880
Speaker 1: But I think Nicole Hall of Center, you can do

1629
01:31:49,960 --> 01:31:55,240
Speaker 1: a really good rich people on vacation movie. That's a

1630
01:31:55,280 --> 01:32:01,479
Speaker 1: great call. And I also think Bom june Ho would

1631
01:32:01,560 --> 01:32:04,320
Speaker 1: do a good rich people on vacation movie, just because

1632
01:32:04,320 --> 01:32:06,519
Speaker 1: he deals with class so much, and a lot of

1633
01:32:06,560 --> 01:32:12,360
Speaker 1: these unhappy rich people on vacation movies. There's an undercurrent

1634
01:32:12,560 --> 01:32:17,200
Speaker 1: of class commentary, you know, with all of this. So yeah,

1635
01:32:17,280 --> 01:32:19,519
Speaker 1: oh for sure, I nominate those two.

1636
01:32:19,720 --> 01:32:21,080
Speaker 4: I feel like maybe this is a little bit of

1637
01:32:21,160 --> 01:32:24,639
Speaker 4: a cheat because I just remembered another one to the list.

1638
01:32:24,840 --> 01:32:29,000
Speaker 4: But Mia Hanson Love did you guys see Bergman Island.

1639
01:32:29,320 --> 01:32:30,760
Speaker 1: I did not see it.

1640
01:32:30,760 --> 01:32:34,599
Speaker 4: It's like about this filmmaker couple who go to this

1641
01:32:35,320 --> 01:32:38,160
Speaker 4: Swedish island where Ingmar Bergmann lived and they have this

1642
01:32:38,200 --> 01:32:42,519
Speaker 4: whole festival and they're both trying to write something and

1643
01:32:42,640 --> 01:32:48,400
Speaker 4: like they're kind of having deliances and various things. But yeah,

1644
01:32:48,439 --> 01:32:50,640
Speaker 4: Mia Hanson Love, I think just because she kind of

1645
01:32:51,479 --> 01:32:55,800
Speaker 4: really gets like a certain tone and vibe that I

1646
01:32:55,800 --> 01:32:58,080
Speaker 4: think would really lend itself to this. I kind of

1647
01:32:58,160 --> 01:33:00,599
Speaker 4: like the ones that are are you know, obviously I

1648
01:33:00,600 --> 01:33:03,320
Speaker 4: love the high concept, crazy ones, but I do love

1649
01:33:03,360 --> 01:33:07,080
Speaker 4: the ones that are kind of like slow and moody

1650
01:33:07,360 --> 01:33:10,960
Speaker 4: and like a Frankie, you know, or like a Margo

1651
01:33:11,000 --> 01:33:15,000
Speaker 4: at the wedding or something where it's not super high stakes.

1652
01:33:15,120 --> 01:33:19,040
Speaker 4: But like I even think like Ruben Ausland and Luca

1653
01:33:19,080 --> 01:33:23,160
Speaker 4: Guadanino's movies that like they're so atmospheric, but like something

1654
01:33:23,200 --> 01:33:26,120
Speaker 4: crazy always happens, like an avalanche or like really someone

1655
01:33:26,280 --> 01:33:31,559
Speaker 4: murders someone or something. But so I think Mia Hanson Love,

1656
01:33:31,880 --> 01:33:33,599
Speaker 4: I think I just want her to like keep working

1657
01:33:33,640 --> 01:33:35,120
Speaker 4: in that in that zone.

1658
01:33:35,439 --> 01:33:37,680
Speaker 2: I was trying to think of a director I and

1659
01:33:37,760 --> 01:33:41,840
Speaker 2: this actually in this movie is again maybe like having

1660
01:33:41,880 --> 01:33:44,920
Speaker 2: to like really establish the ground rules or something. But

1661
01:33:45,439 --> 01:33:48,680
Speaker 2: I would think Pigrol Malvavar is probably my pick for that.

1662
01:33:49,320 --> 01:33:50,760
Speaker 1: But then also the last.

1663
01:33:50,479 --> 01:33:52,439
Speaker 2: Movie, The Room next Door, that he did, or at

1664
01:33:52,479 --> 01:33:55,760
Speaker 2: least the one I saw, was sort of kind of

1665
01:33:55,840 --> 01:33:57,680
Speaker 2: like that. I mean, I know that it's a it's

1666
01:33:58,160 --> 01:34:00,719
Speaker 2: very complicated story, but they I think, you like rent

1667
01:34:00,720 --> 01:34:03,599
Speaker 2: a house in the country upstate New York or something,

1668
01:34:05,280 --> 01:34:08,240
Speaker 2: and it's they're definitely rich. So I'm like, I wonder,

1669
01:34:08,400 --> 01:34:10,600
Speaker 2: I wonder if that fits. But anyway, yeah, you know,

1670
01:34:10,680 --> 01:34:12,240
Speaker 2: i'd probably do a good one. If you were to

1671
01:34:12,320 --> 01:34:15,640
Speaker 2: do like a straight down the line, like going to

1672
01:34:16,400 --> 01:34:20,800
Speaker 2: the south of France to make some you know, some crazy,

1673
01:34:20,920 --> 01:34:24,719
Speaker 2: you know, tense relationship movie, it would be great. Yeah.

1674
01:34:25,479 --> 01:34:25,720
Speaker 4: I do.

1675
01:34:25,880 --> 01:34:29,360
Speaker 1: Like I like these vacations. You're kind of like you said,

1676
01:34:29,400 --> 01:34:32,719
Speaker 1: it's like there's problems before the movie has even started,

1677
01:34:32,960 --> 01:34:35,840
Speaker 1: and so you're kind of entering in medias ray you're

1678
01:34:35,920 --> 01:34:38,200
Speaker 1: kind of like in the middle of the action, and

1679
01:34:38,240 --> 01:34:41,120
Speaker 1: a lot of times it's almost like these people should

1680
01:34:41,200 --> 01:34:43,600
Speaker 1: not be going on vacation right now, but they're like,

1681
01:34:44,000 --> 01:34:47,320
Speaker 1: we're going on vacation. We're gonna have fun. Yeah, Like

1682
01:34:47,360 --> 01:34:50,880
Speaker 1: there's sort of like an obstinence to these types of

1683
01:34:50,920 --> 01:34:54,840
Speaker 1: movies at very at the very beginning, you know, to

1684
01:34:55,120 --> 01:34:55,879
Speaker 1: the characters.

1685
01:34:56,000 --> 01:34:59,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, like they think it's gonna fix something, yes, exactly. Yeah,

1686
01:35:00,600 --> 01:35:03,479
Speaker 4: and like maybe the maybe maybe it breaks something, maybe

1687
01:35:03,520 --> 01:35:07,280
Speaker 4: they learn something about themselves, maybe they come to some

1688
01:35:07,640 --> 01:35:10,439
Speaker 4: resolution or maybe everything's broken.

1689
01:35:11,240 --> 01:35:16,600
Speaker 1: Yes, well, Katie, I do you, uh, how do you

1690
01:35:16,720 --> 01:35:19,960
Speaker 1: feel about going? Are you a good vacation taker?

1691
01:35:21,880 --> 01:35:24,439
Speaker 3: I think I'm okay, Okay.

1692
01:35:24,080 --> 01:35:25,320
Speaker 4: I don't. I feel like I don't go on a

1693
01:35:25,320 --> 01:35:27,640
Speaker 4: lot of vacations, Like every time I travel is like

1694
01:35:27,680 --> 01:35:31,479
Speaker 4: for work or something. But it is funny because the

1695
01:35:31,520 --> 01:35:36,600
Speaker 4: past couple years I've gone on group trips, which is

1696
01:35:36,640 --> 01:35:43,000
Speaker 4: a really funny dynamic, like there's always one enemy. And

1697
01:35:43,040 --> 01:35:44,640
Speaker 4: when you go on a group trip when it's like

1698
01:35:44,680 --> 01:35:49,479
Speaker 4: six people, like there will be like factions of people

1699
01:35:49,560 --> 01:35:52,120
Speaker 4: who turn on each other and like one person who

1700
01:35:52,160 --> 01:35:54,439
Speaker 4: like ends up being like the group enemy because they

1701
01:35:54,479 --> 01:35:55,360
Speaker 4: like don't get along.

1702
01:35:56,439 --> 01:36:00,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, and sometimes that's an unpredictable person you never friend.

1703
01:36:00,560 --> 01:36:02,000
Speaker 3: Going to be you never know.

1704
01:36:02,680 --> 01:36:07,479
Speaker 2: So I just I just read that New York Times article.

1705
01:36:07,600 --> 01:36:09,479
Speaker 2: I think it's called how to Plan a vacation with

1706
01:36:09,520 --> 01:36:12,160
Speaker 2: a group and stay friends.

1707
01:36:11,680 --> 01:36:12,200
Speaker 1: To read that.

1708
01:36:12,400 --> 01:36:14,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think it came out like a couple

1709
01:36:13,960 --> 01:36:15,680
Speaker 2: of days ago, but it was basically like, here are

1710
01:36:15,720 --> 01:36:18,800
Speaker 2: some ground rules if you want to still like your

1711
01:36:18,840 --> 01:36:20,920
Speaker 2: friends when you come home. And I actually think it's

1712
01:36:20,960 --> 01:36:23,000
Speaker 2: really practical advice. I mean, I think it's really more

1713
01:36:23,040 --> 01:36:28,360
Speaker 2: about like where the like, because I've rented houses with friends,

1714
01:36:28,400 --> 01:36:31,599
Speaker 2: like at the lake or like even on vacation, and

1715
01:36:31,680 --> 01:36:34,280
Speaker 2: that has a little bit I mean that I feel

1716
01:36:34,280 --> 01:36:36,080
Speaker 2: like you really need to set ground rules about like

1717
01:36:36,080 --> 01:36:38,080
Speaker 2: who's going to do what type of thing. But a

1718
01:36:38,120 --> 01:36:40,080
Speaker 2: lot of times when you're just like all going on

1719
01:36:40,120 --> 01:36:42,360
Speaker 2: a trip and you're all staying at a hotel, it's

1720
01:36:42,400 --> 01:36:45,240
Speaker 2: a little i don't know, not easier, but it's like

1721
01:36:45,280 --> 01:36:47,920
Speaker 2: at least you have your own little space and you

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Whereas if you share a

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01:36:49,520 --> 01:36:52,720
Speaker 2: house with people, yeah, you.

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01:36:53,040 --> 01:36:55,280
Speaker 1: Learned a lot about them very quick. Yeah.

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01:36:55,320 --> 01:36:58,160
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I shared a house with people last year

1726
01:36:58,200 --> 01:36:59,960
Speaker 4: and it was like kind of a mixed group where

1727
01:37:00,160 --> 01:37:02,479
Speaker 4: some of us hadn't met each other before, and so

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01:37:03,439 --> 01:37:06,240
Speaker 4: there was definitely one person who sort of like ended

1729
01:37:06,320 --> 01:37:09,280
Speaker 4: up on the outs and like it was, it was tough,

1730
01:37:09,560 --> 01:37:11,720
Speaker 4: but it also like then like really bonds you with

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01:37:11,800 --> 01:37:14,519
Speaker 4: the people that you're like, oh, we have a common enemy.

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01:37:15,160 --> 01:37:18,880
Speaker 1: Yes, that's an important thing to have at work, yes,

1733
01:37:18,960 --> 01:37:22,880
Speaker 1: and and the vacation and on vacation and.

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01:37:22,880 --> 01:37:26,719
Speaker 2: Also you're just like more I don't know, I feel

1735
01:37:26,760 --> 01:37:31,280
Speaker 2: like I always get kind of like trying to figure

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01:37:31,280 --> 01:37:35,120
Speaker 2: out like what people want to eat and what they

1737
01:37:35,120 --> 01:37:37,360
Speaker 2: don't want to eat and like what like that whole

1738
01:37:37,400 --> 01:37:38,360
Speaker 2: thing gets.

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01:37:38,120 --> 01:37:40,920
Speaker 1: Really when, Yeah, I feel like a big thing is

1740
01:37:41,000 --> 01:37:43,280
Speaker 1: when like I feel like so often I'll be like

1741
01:37:43,439 --> 01:37:47,920
Speaker 1: I'm starving to the point of death and people are like, oh,

1742
01:37:48,000 --> 01:37:50,040
Speaker 1: I kind of eat lunch ly. I don't usually eat

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01:37:50,040 --> 01:37:52,280
Speaker 1: a lot, like yeah, something like weird like that.

1744
01:37:52,439 --> 01:37:56,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, a perfect example, not calling out anybody that I know, perhaps,

1745
01:37:56,520 --> 01:37:59,679
Speaker 2: but like like being in the country with like nothing

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01:37:59,720 --> 01:38:02,559
Speaker 2: around and people being like, if I don't have my

1747
01:38:02,800 --> 01:38:07,240
Speaker 2: like single origin pour over espresso this morning, I'm gonna

1748
01:38:07,320 --> 01:38:11,559
Speaker 2: fucking freak out. And you're like, we're in like rural Georgia.

1749
01:38:11,880 --> 01:38:14,640
Speaker 2: There's like barely even Starbucks around here, you know what

1750
01:38:14,680 --> 01:38:16,760
Speaker 2: I mean. And they were just like people who like

1751
01:38:16,840 --> 01:38:18,960
Speaker 2: can't adapt to the environment and.

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01:38:18,920 --> 01:38:21,840
Speaker 4: They spiritually like oh my god, or like my thing

1753
01:38:21,920 --> 01:38:25,040
Speaker 4: is like like I need people to like know and

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01:38:25,080 --> 01:38:26,439
Speaker 4: take care of their own needs.

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01:38:26,479 --> 01:38:27,439
Speaker 3: So it's like, if.

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01:38:27,280 --> 01:38:30,479
Speaker 4: We stop at the grocery store, buy the coffee that

1757
01:38:30,520 --> 01:38:32,400
Speaker 4: you need, because I don't want this to be.

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01:38:32,360 --> 01:38:33,639
Speaker 3: A problem in the morning.

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01:38:33,960 --> 01:38:36,840
Speaker 4: Yes, So, like you know, the like there was a

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01:38:36,840 --> 01:38:39,360
Speaker 4: lot of weird food stuff with like on the trip

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01:38:39,439 --> 01:38:41,680
Speaker 4: last year where I was like, oh, I'm going to

1762
01:38:41,760 --> 01:38:43,920
Speaker 4: like pop into the grocery store and this person would

1763
01:38:43,920 --> 01:38:45,479
Speaker 4: be like, why are you going to the grocery store.

1764
01:38:45,479 --> 01:38:47,800
Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm getting food for later. And then they'd

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01:38:47,840 --> 01:38:50,639
Speaker 4: be like five hours later, it's like, hey, Katie, when's dinner?

1766
01:38:50,720 --> 01:38:53,559
Speaker 4: And I'm like, you were yelling at me for going.

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01:38:53,439 --> 01:38:57,080
Speaker 1: To the grocery store. Well, Katie, thank you so much

1768
01:38:57,080 --> 01:38:58,800
Speaker 1: for coming on the show to talk about this. This

1769
01:38:58,840 --> 01:39:00,400
Speaker 1: is very fun.

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01:39:00,800 --> 01:39:02,320
Speaker 3: Thank you guys having me.

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01:39:02,720 --> 01:39:07,040
Speaker 4: I love diving in and like what what precisely makes

1772
01:39:07,040 --> 01:39:07,519
Speaker 4: this work?

1773
01:39:07,640 --> 01:39:11,160
Speaker 1: So yeah, no, it's it's fun to kind of hear

1774
01:39:11,240 --> 01:39:14,360
Speaker 1: people like things. People kind of glant, like film fans

1775
01:39:14,400 --> 01:39:18,040
Speaker 1: like what they kind of glom onto, like specific types

1776
01:39:18,080 --> 01:39:22,200
Speaker 1: of movies that maybe aren't celebrated as a genre. You know.

1777
01:39:23,960 --> 01:39:29,760
Speaker 4: I love hyper specific, Yeah, subgenres. That's something that I

1778
01:39:29,800 --> 01:39:30,559
Speaker 4: really enjoy.

1779
01:39:31,120 --> 01:39:34,200
Speaker 1: So, Katie, where can people find you? Yeah?

1780
01:39:34,240 --> 01:39:38,639
Speaker 4: So I review every week for the Tribune. So all

1781
01:39:38,640 --> 01:39:42,799
Speaker 4: my reviews are on Rotten Tomatoes. Just search Katie Walsh

1782
01:39:43,000 --> 01:39:47,400
Speaker 4: Rotten Tomatoes, or I link all my reviews on my letterbox,

1783
01:39:47,560 --> 01:39:51,679
Speaker 4: where I have a lot more hyper specific lists.

1784
01:39:51,960 --> 01:39:54,880
Speaker 2: Can I point out some? By the way, Yes?

1785
01:39:55,120 --> 01:39:55,640
Speaker 3: Please do?

1786
01:39:55,960 --> 01:39:57,240
Speaker 2: I was the trip you're about to do it?

1787
01:39:57,920 --> 01:39:58,240
Speaker 1: Please?

1788
01:39:58,280 --> 01:39:59,160
Speaker 3: I would love you to do it.

1789
01:39:59,640 --> 01:40:09,400
Speaker 2: Expl likably large fireplaces. Yeah, genius women be talking to aliens. Yeah,

1790
01:40:09,439 --> 01:40:12,920
Speaker 2: and one of them, this one is absolutely I am

1791
01:40:13,080 --> 01:40:15,799
Speaker 2: literally about to watch like half of these movies.

1792
01:40:16,200 --> 01:40:21,240
Speaker 4: Iconic Himbos, Yes, yes, yes, Iconic Kimbos is a really

1793
01:40:21,280 --> 01:40:21,640
Speaker 4: fun one.

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01:40:21,720 --> 01:40:25,760
Speaker 2: Thirty films, I got thirty films. Oh I love that

1795
01:40:26,040 --> 01:40:30,720
Speaker 2: Army of darkness. This is so good. I love it.

1796
01:40:34,240 --> 01:40:37,559
Speaker 2: Oh he's so true Imbo, what the fuck? Especially in

1797
01:40:37,600 --> 01:40:40,200
Speaker 2: the later Evil Dead movies, I'm like, Oh, he is

1798
01:40:40,280 --> 01:40:43,160
Speaker 2: a he's a hot dummy and we love it.

1799
01:40:45,280 --> 01:40:48,240
Speaker 4: So follow me in letterbox. It's Katie Walsh st X.

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Speaker 4: All my all my hyper specific lists are there. I'll

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01:40:51,360 --> 01:40:55,000
Speaker 4: try to come up with some more, and I'm on

1802
01:40:55,080 --> 01:40:57,519
Speaker 4: Blue Sky at Katie Walsh STX as well.

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01:40:57,840 --> 01:41:00,000
Speaker 1: Fabulous well, Katie's so good to see you.

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01:41:00,120 --> 01:41:01,840
Speaker 3: Great to see you, guys. This is so fun to

1805
01:41:01,880 --> 01:41:02,320
Speaker 3: talk about.

1806
01:41:11,720 --> 01:41:13,599
Speaker 1: All right, that was so great talking to Katie. I

1807
01:41:13,640 --> 01:41:16,080
Speaker 1: love Katie. I miss her. Yeah, I'm sad I don't

1808
01:41:16,120 --> 01:41:17,759
Speaker 1: live in the same city as her anymore.

1809
01:41:17,840 --> 01:41:18,559
Speaker 2: She's so cool.

1810
01:41:19,120 --> 01:41:23,360
Speaker 1: I'm glad we are able to explore her letterboxed playlists

1811
01:41:23,760 --> 01:41:26,240
Speaker 1: or her like letterbox those are fun. Yeah, I enjoyed

1812
01:41:26,240 --> 01:41:29,200
Speaker 1: that a lot. Nearly one point I was going to

1813
01:41:29,200 --> 01:41:30,960
Speaker 1: bring up that I didn't bring up during our She's

1814
01:41:30,960 --> 01:41:33,080
Speaker 1: all that conversation is there's a lot of movies with

1815
01:41:33,439 --> 01:41:38,200
Speaker 1: dead moms or missing moms, like teen movies at that time.

1816
01:41:38,320 --> 01:41:39,720
Speaker 1: Like I was, this is just off the top of

1817
01:41:39,760 --> 01:41:42,559
Speaker 1: my head, but clueless. Ten things I hate about you.

1818
01:41:42,920 --> 01:41:46,760
Speaker 1: She's all that crossroads. What was going on?

1819
01:41:46,960 --> 01:41:47,880
Speaker 2: What is going on?

1820
01:41:48,000 --> 01:41:51,640
Speaker 1: Actually, moms are out, single, dads are in. I don't know.

1821
01:41:52,360 --> 01:41:57,240
Speaker 2: Interesting, Well, somebody, I wonder if there's a there's like

1822
01:41:57,280 --> 01:41:59,680
Speaker 2: an academic paper written about that. I should love.

1823
01:41:59,800 --> 01:42:01,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, you should go back to school.

1824
01:42:02,800 --> 01:42:05,200
Speaker 2: Listen. I would kill for that Jstore access. I wonder

1825
01:42:05,240 --> 01:42:06,040
Speaker 2: if I still have it.

1826
01:42:06,120 --> 01:42:09,280
Speaker 1: I don't know your what store access Jaystore.

1827
01:42:08,840 --> 01:42:14,639
Speaker 2: Which is the big database of academic articles. It's great.

1828
01:42:14,680 --> 01:42:17,479
Speaker 1: They cut you off. They cut me off, Millie. This

1829
01:42:17,520 --> 01:42:20,599
Speaker 1: is our employees Pick section where we recommend movies based

1830
01:42:20,640 --> 01:42:23,280
Speaker 1: on the theme of the episode. Today's theme was the

1831
01:42:23,360 --> 01:42:26,760
Speaker 1: Usher cinematic universe, which we did not touch upon at all,

1832
01:42:27,040 --> 01:42:29,640
Speaker 1: and we just talked about She's All That. But we

1833
01:42:29,640 --> 01:42:32,760
Speaker 1: did talk about Usher, so that's something. Yeah, but Milli,

1834
01:42:32,880 --> 01:42:34,920
Speaker 1: what is your recommendation for today?

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01:42:34,920 --> 01:42:37,400
Speaker 2: Well, I was gonna say, I mean, this isn't technically

1836
01:42:37,479 --> 01:42:41,920
Speaker 2: an Usher themed episode, and I would like to recommend

1837
01:42:42,240 --> 01:42:45,320
Speaker 2: another Usher film. There's, like I said at the top,

1838
01:42:45,360 --> 01:42:48,720
Speaker 2: there's more than I actually thought, some of which he

1839
01:42:48,920 --> 01:42:52,240
Speaker 2: is playing a character and not just himself. Right, Sure,

1840
01:42:52,600 --> 01:42:55,679
Speaker 2: but I obviously feel like I have to recommend nineteen

1841
01:42:55,760 --> 01:43:00,280
Speaker 2: ninety eight's The Faculty, directed by Robert Rodriguez, which I

1842
01:43:00,520 --> 01:43:03,840
Speaker 2: guess effectively the movie that he made before She's All That.

1843
01:43:05,800 --> 01:43:06,360
Speaker 1: In that movie.

1844
01:43:06,439 --> 01:43:11,479
Speaker 2: Less than that, I know, another ensemble cast of famous people.

1845
01:43:11,680 --> 01:43:14,920
Speaker 2: Of course, you know Jordana Brewster and Josh Hartnett and

1846
01:43:15,800 --> 01:43:20,320
Speaker 2: I mean John Stewart's in this movie, Elijah. But yeah,

1847
01:43:20,320 --> 01:43:24,639
Speaker 2: it's kind of like a sci fi thriller horror about

1848
01:43:24,720 --> 01:43:28,320
Speaker 2: high schoolers. So it doesn't it's fun. Yeah, it's fun fun.

1849
01:43:28,640 --> 01:43:30,960
Speaker 2: It's actually we did it. We did an episode about

1850
01:43:30,960 --> 01:43:34,679
Speaker 2: it on I Saw What You Did, And it's actually

1851
01:43:34,720 --> 01:43:37,960
Speaker 2: not not that bad. And there was this like conceit

1852
01:43:38,000 --> 01:43:41,720
Speaker 2: in the movie where Josh Hartnett was like selling drugs

1853
01:43:42,320 --> 01:43:44,519
Speaker 2: and the way that they would distribute the drugs is

1854
01:43:44,560 --> 01:43:47,519
Speaker 2: through pens, Like they would put it into like a pen,

1855
01:43:48,360 --> 01:43:51,920
Speaker 2: and I was like, that's actually genius. Like if I

1856
01:43:52,120 --> 01:43:55,639
Speaker 2: was selling drugs in high school, I would totally put

1857
01:43:55,680 --> 01:43:56,240
Speaker 2: him in a pen.

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01:43:58,200 --> 01:44:01,599
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, lesson the lessons you learned from

1859
01:44:01,680 --> 01:44:02,559
Speaker 1: going to the movies?

1860
01:44:03,720 --> 01:44:05,639
Speaker 2: What's short? Pick this week?

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01:44:06,000 --> 01:44:09,080
Speaker 1: The faculty also was cited recently by the director Ryan

1862
01:44:09,160 --> 01:44:12,439
Speaker 1: Coogler as an influence on the movie Sinners that came

1863
01:44:12,439 --> 01:44:13,840
Speaker 1: out this year. So I feel like it was like

1864
01:44:13,840 --> 01:44:16,479
Speaker 1: in the news recently, Wow, that's crazy for that reason,

1865
01:44:17,040 --> 01:44:20,400
Speaker 1: and you can kind of see how they're similar. Oh

1866
01:44:20,439 --> 01:44:24,360
Speaker 1: for sure, I'm recommending. So I was sort of thinking

1867
01:44:24,400 --> 01:44:26,599
Speaker 1: about She's all that, and I do. I'm such a

1868
01:44:26,720 --> 01:44:31,919
Speaker 1: simp for these silly teen movies of the late nineties

1869
01:44:31,960 --> 01:44:33,920
Speaker 1: because that was when I was like in middle school

1870
01:44:33,960 --> 01:44:38,320
Speaker 1: and really looked up to teenagers, and so I'm recommending

1871
01:44:38,360 --> 01:44:40,680
Speaker 1: a movie that an ensemble film that came out the

1872
01:44:40,760 --> 01:44:45,320
Speaker 1: year before, which I actually think is pretty good, are

1873
01:44:45,360 --> 01:44:48,760
Speaker 1: pretty fun, and that is called Can't Hardly Wait from

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01:44:48,840 --> 01:44:52,040
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety eight. This all takes place at a party.

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01:44:52,240 --> 01:44:56,719
Speaker 1: It's with Jennifer Love hewittt Ethan Embery, Lauren Ambrose, Seth Green.

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01:44:57,439 --> 01:44:59,960
Speaker 1: It's like the night the last night of high school

1877
01:45:00,320 --> 01:45:03,479
Speaker 1: before graduation, and there's like a big house party and

1878
01:45:03,960 --> 01:45:06,719
Speaker 1: Ethan Embrey is going to confess his love to General Hewitt,

1879
01:45:06,920 --> 01:45:09,960
Speaker 1: who he has been in love with since like freshman

1880
01:45:10,040 --> 01:45:13,000
Speaker 1: year of high school. And there's like a million famous

1881
01:45:13,000 --> 01:45:16,439
Speaker 1: people in this movie too, and it's fun. I like

1882
01:45:16,520 --> 01:45:18,559
Speaker 1: an all in one night movie. I like it all

1883
01:45:18,560 --> 01:45:24,280
Speaker 1: at one location movie. And yeah, I've always enjoyed this movie.

1884
01:45:24,320 --> 01:45:27,520
Speaker 1: And I like the song Can't Hardly Wade by the Replacements.

1885
01:45:28,200 --> 01:45:30,240
Speaker 2: Who doesn't Man.

1886
01:45:30,160 --> 01:45:31,719
Speaker 1: That's one of my favorite songs of all time.

1887
01:45:32,080 --> 01:45:33,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're one of my favorite bands of all time?

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01:45:34,720 --> 01:45:36,960
Speaker 1: Are they really? I don't know if I knew that? Well,

1889
01:45:37,800 --> 01:45:40,600
Speaker 1: the more you know? Did you like the new We

1890
01:45:40,640 --> 01:45:42,680
Speaker 1: didn't talk about this before, but did you like the

1891
01:45:42,760 --> 01:45:45,920
Speaker 1: new version of the album Tim that came out the

1892
01:45:45,960 --> 01:45:48,000
Speaker 1: remastered version did you listen to that at all?

1893
01:45:48,080 --> 01:45:49,120
Speaker 2: A little bit, A little bit.

1894
01:45:49,520 --> 01:45:50,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was good.

1895
01:45:50,479 --> 01:45:54,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're a good band. Man, they're good band They're good.

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01:45:56,200 --> 01:46:01,120
Speaker 2: Ethan Ambry in this movie and in the nineties was

1897
01:46:01,160 --> 01:46:05,840
Speaker 2: a huge crush of mine, very crushable, very crushable. And

1898
01:46:05,880 --> 01:46:10,599
Speaker 2: in fact, I was watching an interview, so I saw

1899
01:46:11,600 --> 01:46:16,840
Speaker 2: an interview with Dave Franco and Alison Bree, who were

1900
01:46:17,160 --> 01:46:18,760
Speaker 2: in the new movie Together.

1901
01:46:18,880 --> 01:46:21,000
Speaker 1: Looks Freaky, Does Look Freaky?

1902
01:46:22,400 --> 01:46:27,639
Speaker 2: I watched an interview in which Alison Brie admitted that

1903
01:46:27,920 --> 01:46:34,439
Speaker 2: her celebrity crush as a younger person was Ethan Embry. Hmmm,

1904
01:46:35,240 --> 01:46:39,840
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, yes, that's exactly who Mine was,

1905
01:46:39,880 --> 01:46:42,960
Speaker 2: too great besides Edward Furlong of course from T two

1906
01:46:43,080 --> 01:46:43,720
Speaker 2: Judgment Day.

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01:46:43,720 --> 01:46:46,280
Speaker 1: But oh didn't know he was a crush of yours

1908
01:46:46,320 --> 01:46:46,599
Speaker 1: as well.

1909
01:46:47,320 --> 01:46:51,720
Speaker 2: Bro. It's almost like you weren't present when we recorded

1910
01:46:52,240 --> 01:46:54,280
Speaker 2: like two hundred episodes of I Saw what you did.

1911
01:46:54,439 --> 01:46:57,600
Speaker 1: I was listening to other podcasts while you were recording.

1912
01:46:57,760 --> 01:46:59,760
Speaker 2: I knew it. I knew you were off doing some

1913
01:46:59,840 --> 01:47:04,559
Speaker 2: of or Fandango when we were chit chatting. Yeah, no,

1914
01:47:04,720 --> 01:47:09,400
Speaker 2: I like, except for Empire Records. That's like the one,

1915
01:47:10,280 --> 01:47:14,240
Speaker 2: the one movie of his that I cannot stand for him,

1916
01:47:14,600 --> 01:47:17,479
Speaker 2: but even up until Sweet Home Alabama. Shit in Sweet

1917
01:47:17,479 --> 01:47:20,559
Speaker 2: Home Alabama. Talk about a dream. He is a dream

1918
01:47:20,840 --> 01:47:23,439
Speaker 2: in theaters, a closeted country boy.

1919
01:47:23,600 --> 01:47:28,400
Speaker 1: Please. Yeah, I love Ethan Embry. He was in like

1920
01:47:28,439 --> 01:47:31,400
Speaker 1: all these movies I loved, Like that thing you do

1921
01:47:31,920 --> 01:47:37,680
Speaker 1: Vegas vacation, Yes, can't hardly wait. Good choice, Thank you,

1922
01:47:38,120 --> 01:47:40,639
Speaker 1: thank you. I hope I didn't recommend that one before.

1923
01:47:40,760 --> 01:47:42,880
Speaker 1: I feel like I've talked about it before, but whatever,

1924
01:47:43,840 --> 01:47:47,200
Speaker 1: all right, well Millie, God darn it, we did it again.

1925
01:47:48,120 --> 01:47:54,360
Speaker 1: Look at us in the how the hell Jesus Christ? Well,

1926
01:47:54,439 --> 01:47:56,479
Speaker 1: if you like our show, and I hope you do,

1927
01:47:57,600 --> 01:48:01,000
Speaker 1: and you want to write to us for film advice,

1928
01:48:01,120 --> 01:48:04,840
Speaker 1: or if you need any specific recommendations, or need help

1929
01:48:04,960 --> 01:48:09,280
Speaker 1: navigating a director's filmography, or need a film gripe resolved,

1930
01:48:10,280 --> 01:48:14,120
Speaker 1: write into Deer Movies at exactly rightmedia dot com. And

1931
01:48:14,160 --> 01:48:17,360
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Speaker 2: That's right. Also, we are on social media. We are

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Speaker 2: at Deer Movies, I Love You on Instagram and Facebook.

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Speaker 2: Our letterboxed pandles are at Casey Leo O'Brien and at md'jericho. Also,

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Speaker 2: if you want to listen to us on the iHeartRadio app,

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Speaker 2: Apple Podcasts basically wherever you get podcasts and rate and

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Speaker 2: review the show.

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Speaker 1: Because we tell a friend too, Tell a friend, tell

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Speaker 1: a lover, tell relative that you like that this show

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Speaker 1: is out there and it will enrich their lives. And

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Speaker 1: if you tell a person and you show us receipts

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Speaker 1: that you told a friend about our show, you also

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Speaker 1: can get a little treat, a little chocolate or something.

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Speaker 2: Well, mail you a Werther's Original.

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Speaker 1: For each recommendation, one equals one Worther. That's it, mill

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Speaker 1: So next week we are off. We're on a hya.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be here next week, Are you kidding me? No?

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Speaker 1: The week after though, everyone buckle up. Ah, I'm afraid

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Speaker 1: Millie's taking me on a journey that I'm unprepared for.

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Speaker 1: I have a lot of questions, including when I google

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Speaker 1: this movie, the words couch, couch, couch, couch, couch scroll

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Speaker 1: across the screen. Oh what, I don't know what is

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Speaker 1: going on?

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Speaker 2: I don't either. I haven't seen it. I haven't seen

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Speaker 2: this yet, so we're both going and blind.

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Speaker 1: Okay, what is this? Mainly tell the people?

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Speaker 2: All I know is that next week or I'm sorry,

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Speaker 2: the week after, we're going to be talking about the

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Speaker 2: current Juggernauts on Netflix, which is K Pop Demon Hunters

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Speaker 2: from twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: I reckon another new movie.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's another new movie. I reckon. I have a

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Speaker 2: lot to say about it from a certain angle, But

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Speaker 2: I also would like to talk a little bit, if

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Speaker 2: he wouldn't mind, about Netflix movies in general and what

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Speaker 2: makes a Netflix juggernaut and maybe some animation stuff gets

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Speaker 2: peppered in there, you know, because it seems to me

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Speaker 2: this is a movie that is extremely popular on Netflix

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Speaker 2: right now. All of the songs from the movie, because

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Speaker 2: it's a musical, are like number one on the Billboard charts,

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Speaker 2: and it feels is that right, oh one hundred percent?

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Speaker 2: It's like, go look it up right now, and it

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Speaker 2: seems it's enjoyed by both adults and kids. And I'm

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Speaker 2: just curious, because you have a child, if you have

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Speaker 2: any insight on any of that stuff via Netflix, if

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Speaker 2: you know what I'm.

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Speaker 1: Saying, Okay, my child is unaware of culture. To call

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Speaker 1: her a child is even she's just a little meatball

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Speaker 1: that's running around our house.

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Speaker 2: But you will be indoctrinated into the children's entertainment sphere.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, we already are. Ok we already are. So I

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Speaker 1: have stuff to say about it.

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Speaker 2: I do, so we'll be tackling that. So everybody watch

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Speaker 2: K Pop demon Hunters. Also, I have to tell you

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Speaker 2: somebody wrote us and said you need to repeat the

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Speaker 2: employee's picks again.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw this email. You should follow us on Instagram.

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Speaker 1: They're all posted on there. We have a nice little

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Speaker 1: graphic that says them every week. But this week Millie

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Speaker 1: re commended the faculty and I recommended can't hardly wait.

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Speaker 2: There you go in closing, we do for you. Okay,

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Speaker 2: so stop complaining.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't a complaint. I mean there were a lot

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Speaker 1: of exclamation points in it though. Uh good, All right,

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Speaker 1: well Millie, what a treat this was. I love talking

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Speaker 1: about This is like a great episode of the show

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Speaker 1: because it's just an appreciation for movies that I don't

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Speaker 1: feel like get the appreciation they deserve. So thank you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you're welcome and I'm glad we got to

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Speaker 2: dive into this film, so I guess you too. We'll

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Speaker 2: see you guys in a couple of weeks.

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Speaker 1: Sounds good bye, bye, oh bye.

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Speaker 2: This has been an exactly right production hosted by me

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Speaker 2: Millie to Cherco and produced by my co host, Casey O'Brien.

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Speaker 1: This episode was mixed by Tom bryfocal. Our associate producer

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Speaker 1: is Christina Chamberlain, our guest booker is Patrick Cottner, and

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Speaker 1: our artwork is by Vanessa l Our.

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Speaker 2: Incredible theme music is by the best band in the

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Speaker 2: entire world, The Softies.

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Speaker 1: Thank you to our executive producers Karen Kilgarriff, Georgia Hardstark,

2014
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Speaker 1: Daniel Kramer and Millie to Jericho, we love you.

2015
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Speaker 3: Goodbye Becer