WEBVTT - An Alleged Crank & Antisemitism

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<v Speaker 1>What the first lady of France's alleged crank has to

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<v Speaker 1>do with anti Semitism. That's right, you heard me.

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<v Speaker 2>It's one more thing, one more thing. So before we

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<v Speaker 2>get to that, I got a question. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe you guys know the answer to this. I forgot

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<v Speaker 2>to research it. I came across his headline. Well, his

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<v Speaker 2>online is a headline and something I've never heard of. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>there's like nine million different outlets that I've never heard of,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't know which ones are real and which

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<v Speaker 2>ones are folk, fake or whatever. This one is something

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<v Speaker 2>called the Perennial Mahomes to play trumpet at Travis and

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<v Speaker 2>Taylor's wedding. And the quote is I've been training for

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<v Speaker 2>this my whole life. Does Patrick Mahomes play the trumpet?

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<v Speaker 2>And is he going to play the trumpet at their wedding?

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<v Speaker 2>And has he been training for this his whole life?

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<v Speaker 1>If that's fake, I love it because it's so stupid.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's got a picture.

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<v Speaker 1>What I'm gonna do. I'm gonna post that Patrick Mahomes

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<v Speaker 1>is going to play the trumpet at Kelsey's wedding.

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<v Speaker 2>Eng and claim this is his dream come true. There's

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<v Speaker 2>a picture that is clearly AI if Patrick Mahomes in

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<v Speaker 2>a tuxedo with a flower on it, like he's a

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<v Speaker 2>groomsman with a trumpet in his mouth. Yes, So that

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<v Speaker 2>Internet AI overview says no, there is no indication that

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<v Speaker 2>Patrick Mahomes plays the trumpet. Then I agree with Joe

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<v Speaker 2>that is one of the where did that come from? Strangest, Hello,

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<v Speaker 2>it would be a funny prank to play on people.

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<v Speaker 2>How do you explain why that's so funny? It's the

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<v Speaker 2>utter stupidity is the wrong word. It's thet I.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't know what was the source, the utter lack of

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<v Speaker 3>any motivation anybody could possibly have to make that particular

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<v Speaker 3>claim that that's what makes it funny.

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<v Speaker 2>It's something called the perennial. It's like saying he adopted

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<v Speaker 2>three cats. I mean, who cares, right, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I see what you mean. It's subtle enough. It's like okay,

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<v Speaker 2>because it's not like, you know, has decided to write

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<v Speaker 2>a donkey into the wedding chapel or something that would

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<v Speaker 2>be no. She say, he's been practicing his whole life,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's really looking forward to the opportunity to play

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<v Speaker 2>the trump at his best friend's weddingrumpet.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe they're just seeing how far they can get it

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<v Speaker 1>to spread, you know, just as in a social experiment.

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<v Speaker 2>I gotta start thinking up just random things like that

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<v Speaker 2>and see if I can get them going. Yeah, I've

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<v Speaker 2>thought of.

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<v Speaker 1>That many many times. I would like to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, and it's so easy these days with you

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<v Speaker 1>can fake up the graphics and whatever and see if

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<v Speaker 1>you can get this stuff to go viral. But there

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<v Speaker 1>are plenty of people already doing that.

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<v Speaker 2>And in the headline, mahomes to play trumpet at Travis

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<v Speaker 2>and Taylor's wedding quote, I've been training for this my

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<v Speaker 2>whole life. How great would that be?

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<v Speaker 1>Trumpet? Speaking of internet trollery, what does the alleged pennis

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<v Speaker 1>of the First Lady of France have to do with

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<v Speaker 1>anti Semitism?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so back to that story is briefly wife a dude,

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<v Speaker 2>which would include such broad shoulders, a pennace, which there

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<v Speaker 2>are pictures and videos out there that claim, see you

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<v Speaker 2>can see it right there, I mean you can She's

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<v Speaker 2>got swinging junk right there, you can see it. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I came across a great piece by Cat Rosenfield

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<v Speaker 1>in the free press, who talks about how she does

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of fairly edgy stuff on the internet and

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<v Speaker 1>journalism wise and stuff, and so she's getting she gets

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<v Speaker 1>trolled and what she calls humorous outrage and cancelation from

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<v Speaker 1>outraged junkies left and right, and one, before we get

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<v Speaker 1>into the meat of it, I really like this story, no, dear,

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<v Speaker 1>an idiot, she says. I won't trouble you with further

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<v Speaker 1>details because they're both ridiculous and unimportant. And for the

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<v Speaker 1>most part, these pylons always play out the same way.

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<v Speaker 1>The outrage lasts a day or two. While it does,

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<v Speaker 1>it's rarely worth engaging in. But in the middle to

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<v Speaker 1>this latest one, something unusual, get to the real sausage

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<v Speaker 1>of the story for us, a prolific journalist cut that

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<v Speaker 1>part out. Yeah, a prolific journalist named Hamilton Kine, who

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<v Speaker 1>I have never met nor interacted with, publicly announced that

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<v Speaker 1>he was privy to some salacious information about my alleged

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<v Speaker 1>racist proclivities courtesy of my most trusted colleagues and family friends.

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<v Speaker 1>So this guy is online, and this guy's got a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of followers in all claiming that she's really a

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<v Speaker 1>serious racist and he's been talking to close family and

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<v Speaker 1>friends about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Of hers.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm friends with her editor and one of her one

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<v Speaker 1>of my former publishing colleagues is best friends with her mother.

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<v Speaker 1>Dang the stories I've heard. He wrote on X Black

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<v Speaker 1>Racist a f So the interesting part of this Cat

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<v Speaker 1>Rosenfeld piece about making like wildly unfounded claims about people,

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<v Speaker 1>and she she talks about the first Lady and that

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<v Speaker 1>whole thing and what's her name, Candice O, and Zoo

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<v Speaker 1>keeps going back to it, and she said, originally she

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<v Speaker 1>just thought it's about childish idiots troll people online. She says,

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<v Speaker 1>worst of all, a world where the only recourse against

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<v Speaker 1>these lying liars, even if you're the first Lady, you're

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<v Speaker 1>freaking France, is to debase yourself by responding in such

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<v Speaker 1>a way that even when you win, you still kind

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<v Speaker 1>of lose. And there's a famous saying, and this is

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<v Speaker 1>where it turns serious. There's a famous saying often attributed

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<v Speaker 1>to Jean Paul Sautre, although it's a paraphrase and it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't matter quote. The anti Semite does not accuse the

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<v Speaker 1>Jew of stealing because he thinks he stole something. He

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<v Speaker 1>does it because he enjoys watching the Jew turn out

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<v Speaker 1>his pockets to prove his innocence. In other words, people

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<v Speaker 1>who traffic in destructive rumor mongering are often telling stories

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<v Speaker 1>they even they don't believe. The point is not the

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<v Speaker 1>lie themselves. The point is the burden it places on

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<v Speaker 1>the person being lied about to perform the exhausting, undignified,

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<v Speaker 1>humiliating exercise of refuting the allegations.

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<v Speaker 2>That's interesting, So like getting back to Macrohn's wife, So

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<v Speaker 2>Candice Owens makes those kind of comments or whatever, it

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<v Speaker 2>does put you in the undignified position of proving she's wrong,

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<v Speaker 2>or even responding to it right, which would be unpleasant.

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<v Speaker 2>And Kat writes, it's about stealing their time and energy,

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<v Speaker 2>about the power trip of setting little fires in someone

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<v Speaker 2>else's house and then sitting back laughing while they run

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<v Speaker 2>around trying to extinguish That sounds about real, exactly like

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what is happening?

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<v Speaker 1>And then does any she skips ahead talk more about

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<v Speaker 1>the Macrone says, does anyone believe this? Probably not, or

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<v Speaker 1>at least not at first, But after a while, repeated

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<v Speaker 1>allegations of wrongdoing eventually start getting treated like proof in

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<v Speaker 1>and of themselves. The first time you walk past the

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<v Speaker 1>jew turning out his pockets to prove he isn't a thief,

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<v Speaker 1>you sympathize. The seventeenth time you start to wonder, what's

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<v Speaker 1>this guy doing so that people are accusing him of

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<v Speaker 1>stealing all the time. There's got to be something to it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I gotta admit I've gone and that's where I've

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<v Speaker 2>ended up, not like, not for real, but a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit like on the Michelle Obama being a man. Greg

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<v Speaker 2>Guttfeld has made that joke so many times that I

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<v Speaker 2>start thinking, why are so many people making that joke?

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<v Speaker 2>Is there something I'm missing?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, let's see And sometimes oh, she goes into

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<v Speaker 1>the because of the repeated accusation, starts to give people

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<v Speaker 1>the idea that maybe I should be Maybe there's something

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<v Speaker 1>to this, she says. For this reason, the question of

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<v Speaker 1>when to turn out your pockets to fight back and

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<v Speaker 1>when to just turn away has no easy answer. Refuting

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<v Speaker 1>a falsehood means dignifying it in some sense by stooping

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<v Speaker 1>to the liar's level.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely well.

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<v Speaker 1>That staying silent, on the other hand, can look like

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<v Speaker 1>a tacit confirmation that the falsehood is true.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's exactly what Trump did to Obama with

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<v Speaker 2>the birth certificate. You put him in the awkward position

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<v Speaker 2>of having to, you know, dignify it and refute it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And then she goes into the example of Armie Hammer,

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<v Speaker 1>who found himself at the center of one of the

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<v Speaker 1>weirder Me Too Maelstroms after a former partner accused him

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<v Speaker 1>of rape and physical abuse, along with other sensational offenses.

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<v Speaker 1>Though Hammer was never charged, his public denial of the

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<v Speaker 1>allegations paradoxically made people wonder if there might be something

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<v Speaker 1>to them, especially when accompanied by memorable headlines such as

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<v Speaker 1>Armie Hammer denies cannibalism claims.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, yeah, yeah right because of the denial. So

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<v Speaker 2>you you get into that whole Streisand effect thing where

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<v Speaker 2>everybody found out Barber Streisand's address because she was arguing

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<v Speaker 2>so much about hey, you don't tell people my address. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you end up with that situation.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So, but the one part that I will you know,

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<v Speaker 1>take away and really keep is that people don't accuse

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<v Speaker 1>the jew of stealing because they think they're stealing. They

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<v Speaker 1>just want to humiliate them by making them turn their

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<v Speaker 1>pocket out over and over again.

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<v Speaker 2>When to fight it and when to just let it

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<v Speaker 2>lie is a heck of a that's a heck of

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<v Speaker 2>a thing, right. I think everybody starts with I'll let

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<v Speaker 2>it lie, but then it starts to grow a little

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<v Speaker 2>and you think, well, I need to respond to this.

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<v Speaker 2>But then it's off to the races. Now you got

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<v Speaker 2>another day of the news story, more headlines. Just like

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<v Speaker 2>Katie said, here, you've heard the story of the cannibalism

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<v Speaker 2>because of the denial, right right exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>We've always both of us on the show gone with

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<v Speaker 1>the policy that we publicize our sins. So you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if somebody says, you know, somebody writes the headline Joe

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<v Speaker 1>Geddy drinks himself insensible watching a playoff baseball, somebody to

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<v Speaker 1>see that and say, oh yeah, they talked about that

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<v Speaker 1>for like half an hour Thursday, And.

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<v Speaker 2>It'd be hard to imagine coming up with a headline

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<v Speaker 2>that would be more embarrassing to me than things I've

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<v Speaker 2>admitted I've done. So that helps.

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<v Speaker 1>I got a couple, you know, I am always bringing

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<v Speaker 1>up care donible, isn't Michael why I'll do the math,

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<v Speaker 1>That's all I'm saying. Me and missus McCrone nibbling on

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<v Speaker 1>a nice calf together, and I don't mind the I

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<v Speaker 1>mean the kind that says move.

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<v Speaker 2>Well. I guess that's it.