WEBVTT - Pluribus | Episode 6: "HDP" 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:00.680 Worrying. 0:00:01.400 --> 0:00:04.880 Today's episode contained spoilers for the sixth episode of Pluribus 0:00:06.280 --> 0:00:39.440 Maybe plus. 0:00:23.440 --> 0:00:26.640 Hello Jason Too, and I'm Mercy Night. 0:00:27.520 --> 0:00:28.560 Welcome back to actually Vite. 0:00:28.560 --> 0:00:30.920 In the podcast movie Dive pet A Favorite Shows, Movies, 0:00:30.920 --> 0:00:33.159 comics of pop culture company revi Our podcasts, We're here. 0:00:33.240 --> 0:00:35.800 It was a week plus use on seven plus News. 0:00:35.920 --> 0:00:39.599 In today's episode, we are talking about Pluribus one oh 0:00:39.640 --> 0:00:44.159 six HDP. There are gonna be some serious reveal guys, 0:00:44.400 --> 0:00:46.320 so if you haven't watched, to make sure you watch 0:00:46.360 --> 0:00:48.040 it before we jump right in. 0:00:48.960 --> 0:00:51.559 And a quick delectable reminder. 0:00:51.560 --> 0:00:53.800 We'll have a couple of shore Us stocking stuffer episodes 0:00:53.800 --> 0:00:56.280 for you this holiday season to help cover some more 0:00:56.320 --> 0:00:58.920 fun topics we can't hit during our normal episodes. 0:00:59.240 --> 0:01:02.240 Keep an eye an air out for them later this month. 0:01:02.840 --> 0:01:09.280 But first up, Pluribus episode six HDP. It's a de 0:01:09.440 --> 0:01:15.000 Bay Carol drives to Vegas to see Diabate and Diabate 0:01:15.360 --> 0:01:19.720 let me tell you he's making the post invasion Hive 0:01:19.840 --> 0:01:21.800 mind world seem pretty good. 0:01:22.080 --> 0:01:23.880 I would be living like him. 0:01:24.440 --> 0:01:28.320 He's living like a James Bond meets Elvis in a 0:01:28.360 --> 0:01:33.440 Heineken commercial kind of lifestyle. Doing make them up, doing 0:01:33.440 --> 0:01:38.000 little improvs where like he's James Bond and he's got 0:01:38.000 --> 0:01:42.080 to beat some you know, arms dealer at no limit 0:01:42.200 --> 0:01:45.520 hold them and they're betting four million dollars a hand, 0:01:45.600 --> 0:01:48.760 and it's it's fun for him. He's having a great time. 0:01:49.720 --> 0:01:53.360 When Carol approaches, though, the party kind of ends because 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:56.160 all the hive mind folks are like, hey, we gotta go. 0:01:56.640 --> 0:01:59.720 She's annoying us out, Like, let's just yeah, she's a. 0:01:59.720 --> 0:02:01.160 Little scary, it's a little annoying. 0:02:01.480 --> 0:02:05.080 She blew up one of us with a grenade and 0:02:05.120 --> 0:02:07.800 then gave one of us a heart attack, and then 0:02:07.840 --> 0:02:10.360 we all started crying worldwide, and it's just too much. 0:02:10.840 --> 0:02:13.600 So I know, we were about it seemed like we're 0:02:13.600 --> 0:02:16.040 about to get it into like an orgy here. 0:02:15.840 --> 0:02:20.120 With you and the jacuzzi Diabate, including the cleaning staff. 0:02:20.200 --> 0:02:23.640 But we're gonna have to shut that down for now 0:02:24.520 --> 0:02:29.840 now and because Carol's coming. Carol gets there, but before 0:02:30.200 --> 0:02:34.639 she can tell Diabate her shocking discovery that you know, 0:02:34.960 --> 0:02:37.280 if from the walk in freezer, which is just like 0:02:37.400 --> 0:02:40.520 heads and arms and legs and basically the high mind's 0:02:40.520 --> 0:02:42.520 eating people. He's like, oh, you mean the high minding 0:02:42.600 --> 0:02:45.920 people think, yeah, watch this video by John. 0:02:45.720 --> 0:02:48.760 Cena incredible, incredible drop. 0:02:49.200 --> 0:02:52.760 Sina On behalf of the hive mind, tells Carol what's 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:57.280 going on. Basically, there are you know, seven billion hive 0:02:57.320 --> 0:03:00.240 mind and since due to biological rules, they can't kill 0:03:00.280 --> 0:03:03.960 a living thing, even plants, which means the hive mind 0:03:04.000 --> 0:03:08.239 is steadily starving food left over in storage, fruits, vegetables 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:09.960 that fall on the ground, and I guess you know, 0:03:10.200 --> 0:03:12.400 all meat and stuff that are ready to milk or 0:03:12.520 --> 0:03:14.440 dye are naturally the. 0:03:14.440 --> 0:03:17.239 Main food sources they can interact with. 0:03:17.600 --> 0:03:21.320 That supply is earmarked though for Carol and other survivors, 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:24.360 and they will always receive the best of that. But 0:03:24.400 --> 0:03:28.240 there's a lot of caloric deficit to make up. Thus 0:03:28.520 --> 0:03:34.720 the people protein HDP HDP, which honestly it's giving soil 0:03:34.720 --> 0:03:38.800 and green. We did get it, soil and green. We 0:03:38.960 --> 0:03:41.440 did get this right, guys. But I trust me to 0:03:41.440 --> 0:03:42.680 have something up his sleeve. 0:03:43.360 --> 0:03:45.600 It's peep. 0:03:46.400 --> 0:03:53.720 Carol, she is left reeling and she's basically then learns 0:03:53.800 --> 0:03:57.640 that all the survivors apart from Paraguay Guy, have been 0:03:57.760 --> 0:04:02.320 basically in a group chat because Carol is the annoying 0:04:02.360 --> 0:04:03.960 person you don't want in the group chat, and they 0:04:03.960 --> 0:04:06.400 don't want her in there. She's aggressive, she's toxic, and 0:04:06.440 --> 0:04:10.160 Diabarte's basically like bro. The hive mind has about ten 0:04:10.240 --> 0:04:12.120 years before they starve to death. So me and the 0:04:12.160 --> 0:04:15.560 other survivors have been trying to figure out solutions, robots 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:19.240 to pick food like, they've actually been coming up with plans. 0:04:19.480 --> 0:04:24.039 Carol is her and being left out, but apparently it 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:26.560 went to vote and buy democratic decree. 0:04:26.720 --> 0:04:28.719 Absolutely no one likes her and I don't. 0:04:28.520 --> 0:04:32.360 Buy it is a brutal, brutal beat for Carol. 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:37.040 So Carol goes to sleep like in the bathroom, like 0:04:37.080 --> 0:04:41.359 on a big, big couch. This, you know, Diabate suite 0:04:41.600 --> 0:04:44.640 is like every room is the size of a house. 0:04:45.240 --> 0:04:48.159 Yeah, And the bathroom couch always reminds me of like 0:04:48.160 --> 0:04:50.599 if you go into like a fancy Nordstrom or something, 0:04:50.640 --> 0:04:53.080 they always have like a women's bathroom and you're like, 0:04:53.120 --> 0:04:54.200 why is there a couch here? 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:57.600 I don't know, but I'm into it. It was giving Diabarte, you. 0:04:57.520 --> 0:05:01.120 Know, in true Vince Gilgen style, Tay is a hedonist, 0:05:01.160 --> 0:05:04.440 but he's like very kind. There's something else. There's a 0:05:04.480 --> 0:05:08.600 softness to him. There's a generosity weird weirdly to him 0:05:08.680 --> 0:05:11.520 as well as this kind of like you know, over 0:05:11.520 --> 0:05:15.080 the top lifestyle. And he puts a blanket on her 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:19.320 and the next day he makes breakfast and Carol tries 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:22.880 to stick around by being by kind of like you know, 0:05:22.960 --> 0:05:24.680 as a test balloon and be like, maybe I'll hang 0:05:24.680 --> 0:05:27.200 around Vegas, like get my own sweet somewhere, and she 0:05:27.279 --> 0:05:29.880 can tell by his body language that he's like, I 0:05:29.880 --> 0:05:32.839 don't need that, so so she's like, Aha, just kidding, 0:05:32.839 --> 0:05:34.400 I'm gonna go back to Albert. I can't wait to 0:05:34.440 --> 0:05:35.680 get back to albertquer. 0:05:35.600 --> 0:05:38.560 Go'll be great. I love it that, I love it. 0:05:38.760 --> 0:05:42.120 Things are guy great and they're fucking awesome. 0:05:42.320 --> 0:05:47.320 Carol, meanwhile, is still obviously hostile to the heart hive mind, 0:05:47.880 --> 0:05:51.800 doesn't really care about the starvation issue, basically saying like 0:05:51.839 --> 0:05:58.040 that's their fault for doing this, uh, and is still 0:05:58.080 --> 0:06:01.680 totally dedicated to figuring out like a solution to this infection. 0:06:02.440 --> 0:06:05.520 And she points out to Debat what happens anyway when 0:06:05.560 --> 0:06:08.520 they figured out how to infect us and now Diabate 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:13.360 drops a fucking bomb that apparently the Hive mind only 0:06:13.400 --> 0:06:21.400 figured out yesterday that they need stem cells from a 0:06:21.440 --> 0:06:25.360 survivor in order to infect them to tailor the virus 0:06:25.400 --> 0:06:26.920 directly towards their DNA and. 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:27.640 Their stem cells. 0:06:27.960 --> 0:06:30.160 But to harvest the stem cells they would need consent 0:06:30.560 --> 0:06:33.000 and if they and if a person won't give consent, 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:37.440 then they can't do it and how And Carol's like what, 0:06:37.880 --> 0:06:41.919 So she calls the timeline number to get to to 0:06:42.000 --> 0:06:45.200 basically confirm this, and the Hive Mind confirm it and 0:06:45.440 --> 0:06:49.040 that's it. And then as Carol is leaving, Diabaate is like, 0:06:49.279 --> 0:06:51.400 let the Hive Mind come back. Can you just chill 0:06:51.480 --> 0:06:54.000 out so they can you know, they'll come back, and 0:06:54.040 --> 0:06:56.040 Soshi wants to see you, and you know, they want 0:06:56.080 --> 0:06:58.480 to see you basically, and Carol's like, fuck them, fuck. 0:06:58.400 --> 0:06:59.440 Them, I know. 0:06:59.520 --> 0:07:04.839 I'm like, make up your mind, babe. Three days earlier, 0:07:05.400 --> 0:07:09.920 Paraguay Guy finally finds the frequency on which the Hive 0:07:10.000 --> 0:07:13.720 Mind appeared to be wi fiing. He also opens Carol's 0:07:13.760 --> 0:07:16.280 a little special video package and learns that the Hive 0:07:16.400 --> 0:07:19.640 Mind cannot lie and are not really a threat as 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:23.040 they're totally nonviolent and will agree to whatever you say. 0:07:23.280 --> 0:07:26.360 He finally leaves his bunker goes to collect some stuff 0:07:26.360 --> 0:07:29.720 and eat. He gets his car ready, gathers some stuff, 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:32.040 lots of spy maps. 0:07:32.120 --> 0:07:33.160 I mean, he's breaks. 0:07:35.440 --> 0:07:39.040 He is definitely a spy of some kind or some 0:07:39.160 --> 0:07:44.480 kind of like special preppers, preppers something. Definitely he's ready, 0:07:44.800 --> 0:07:46.640 and he's obviously going to visit Carol. 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:50.760 His mum meets him on the street, but he. 0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:53.400 Is hostile to her, saying it's not really his mum, 0:07:53.400 --> 0:07:57.640 it's obviously a hive mind. And this is I thought, 0:07:57.800 --> 0:08:01.680 such a great Vince moment where he's like, actually, my 0:08:01.800 --> 0:08:05.240 mom was fucking mean and horror most and would never 0:08:05.320 --> 0:08:07.360 have been fucking nice to me, So don't come to 0:08:07.400 --> 0:08:11.760 me with this bullshit fate. That is the first sign 0:08:11.800 --> 0:08:15.720 of the more sinister side. I think of what they're 0:08:15.760 --> 0:08:19.200 doing is this kind of reprogramming that means, even if 0:08:19.280 --> 0:08:23.520 you are not involved, they are going to try and 0:08:23.560 --> 0:08:26.120 restructure your life in a way that's like happier. I 0:08:26.160 --> 0:08:29.320 think that that moment for me was the first moment 0:08:29.320 --> 0:08:31.920 where I was like, oh, that's really bleak. Like your 0:08:31.960 --> 0:08:34.120 abusive mom comes up to you in the street and she's. 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:35.360 Like, hey, don't leave, I love you. 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:37.840 It's like, no, go away, don't do that, like, you're 0:08:37.840 --> 0:08:39.920 not winning me over to the hive mind. 0:08:39.960 --> 0:08:40.680 Guys. 0:08:41.080 --> 0:08:43.360 Well, let's take a quick break. 0:08:43.600 --> 0:08:47.480 Then let's bring super producer he and then to discuss. 0:08:47.160 --> 0:08:59.720 This episode, and we're back. 0:09:00.640 --> 0:09:04.280 Let's tap in Ian super producer ian Ian, Welcome to 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:04.840 the program. 0:09:04.840 --> 0:09:06.559 What did you think of this episode? 0:09:07.480 --> 0:09:10.520 Fantastic episode. I think this might have been my favorite 0:09:10.520 --> 0:09:13.800 of the season so far. Between a lot of big 0:09:13.920 --> 0:09:17.640 information reveals that we're given this episode, the John Cena 0:09:17.679 --> 0:09:18.680 cameo I thought. 0:09:18.520 --> 0:09:19.800 Was excellent, so good. 0:09:19.960 --> 0:09:22.679 He's having a huge year, He's having a massive Isn't. 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:27.000 That exactly who you would expect aliens to get to? Yes, 0:09:28.240 --> 0:09:32.679 I was, yeah, you like, oh, John Cena says, this 0:09:32.760 --> 0:09:34.520 is okay, okay. 0:09:34.960 --> 0:09:38.160 Right, like the guy with the most makeup wash grants ever, Like, yeah, 0:09:38.200 --> 0:09:41.480 I'll trust him, yeah, you know. And then also just 0:09:41.960 --> 0:09:45.320 some of the cinematography to the shots of the Vegas 0:09:45.320 --> 0:09:47.720 streets empty, you know. I know that's like a common 0:09:47.760 --> 0:09:50.200 trope in a lot of these kind of survival shows 0:09:50.200 --> 0:09:52.520 and movies, but it's always super impressive to me when 0:09:52.559 --> 0:09:56.400 you see these huge urban cores completely empty and abandoned 0:09:56.480 --> 0:09:58.440 like that. And like you mentioned last week, you know, 0:09:58.520 --> 0:10:01.199 like the liminal spaces and things, and just seeing these 0:10:01.480 --> 0:10:04.880 really densely crowded places completely abandoned. I think those are 0:10:04.960 --> 0:10:06.640 those kinds of shots are always super interesting. 0:10:07.280 --> 0:10:09.840 I think Vince did a just quickly, just did an 0:10:09.880 --> 0:10:13.079 incredible job with those shots, because oftentimes I feel like 0:10:13.160 --> 0:10:15.400 nowadays you think about blade around of twenty forty nine 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:18.360 or something compared to your twenty eight days later, they 0:10:18.360 --> 0:10:22.160 always feel very cig But I was absolutely like they 0:10:22.240 --> 0:10:24.320 must have gone out there and shot at like three 0:10:24.360 --> 0:10:26.760 in the morning and closed off certain parts of the 0:10:26.840 --> 0:10:29.920 road or something, because it just looked incredible. I love 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:33.120 the little extra mile that he is going to make 0:10:33.160 --> 0:10:34.000 this feel real. 0:10:34.640 --> 0:10:37.280 Is really selling this and settling the show for me. 0:10:38.480 --> 0:10:46.880 Let's talk about Carol's air quotes, discovery, her reveal to Diabate, 0:10:47.440 --> 0:10:53.360 and then basically her discovery of how actually complete her 0:10:53.480 --> 0:10:56.719 isolation is, because I found that to be such a 0:10:56.760 --> 0:11:02.079 fun way to twist these revelations around and adding another 0:11:02.200 --> 0:11:08.480 dimension to them and kind of like underlining the basic theme, 0:11:08.520 --> 0:11:11.720 which is Carol weirdly is kind of like her own 0:11:11.840 --> 0:11:16.199 enemy and yes, yes, mission to try and save the world. 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:19.720 I thought that was so well done. To your point 0:11:19.720 --> 0:11:23.760 that John Cena thing was perfect. And the thing that 0:11:23.800 --> 0:11:29.000 I love about this episode is how I'm sitting there going, well, 0:11:29.040 --> 0:11:31.439 I guess you know the high Mine have a point, right. 0:11:32.520 --> 0:11:33.199 What did you do? 0:11:33.880 --> 0:11:36.400 I mean, that's what I want to get into. 0:11:36.480 --> 0:11:37.920 Yeah, yeah, let's get into that. 0:11:38.400 --> 0:11:43.480 Vince Gilligan has basically like taken a trope that we 0:11:43.520 --> 0:11:44.840 all thought is. 0:11:44.840 --> 0:11:47.760 A dangerous trope to play with, which is the unlikable woman. 0:11:47.679 --> 0:11:52.360 Right right, But then he turned it into a searing 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:55.920 kind of take on like main character syndrome and how 0:11:56.040 --> 0:12:01.240 like being obsessed with your own version of what the 0:12:01.240 --> 0:12:03.760 world needs to be and not being in community with 0:12:03.840 --> 0:12:06.600 even the twelve people you can still be in community 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:10.040 with the fact that she is essentially the last person 0:12:10.080 --> 0:12:12.280 on earth who's been kept out of the group chat 0:12:12.320 --> 0:12:18.080 is like such a horrifically yeh crifically millennial thing. Ian 0:12:18.160 --> 0:12:20.360 talk a little bit more about the way that Vince 0:12:20.440 --> 0:12:23.840 is building that stuff in because that isolation level is 0:12:23.920 --> 0:12:24.720 so painful. 0:12:25.600 --> 0:12:28.320 Yeah, I mean, I think this when Carol learns the 0:12:28.360 --> 0:12:31.240 truth about the HGP and how you know she's the 0:12:31.280 --> 0:12:35.120 last one essentially to find out that it's basically her 0:12:35.160 --> 0:12:39.160 own fault for choosing to isolate herself and be so antagonistic. Yes, 0:12:39.160 --> 0:12:41.839 not only towards the hive mind, but towards the other 0:12:41.920 --> 0:12:44.480 survivors as well. You know, if she had just taken 0:12:44.520 --> 0:12:46.840 the time to ask a few more questions or be 0:12:46.920 --> 0:12:49.680 a little bit more curious, she probably would have learned 0:12:49.679 --> 0:12:52.720 this information earlier, just like Diabat did you know again? 0:12:52.800 --> 0:12:54.040 He was like, well, I asked them, like, why are 0:12:54.080 --> 0:12:55.480 you guys drinking milk all the time? 0:12:55.760 --> 0:12:57.920 And so they explained it to him because they can't 0:12:58.000 --> 0:13:02.520 lie exactly. His note that well, you know, some of 0:13:02.520 --> 0:13:07.400 our non English speakers, they were offended. And I think 0:13:07.440 --> 0:13:10.360 that there's there's so many interesting levels to this. There's 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:13.200 the one level from the other survivor's perspective of like 0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:19.440 I can imagine being Diabaate or being someone else who's like, Okay, 0:13:19.880 --> 0:13:22.800 obviously this is concerning and there's a lot of downsides 0:13:22.840 --> 0:13:27.319 to this, But I'm also gonna, you know, I'm gonna 0:13:27.400 --> 0:13:31.319 enjoy this because why not. And two, it's got to 0:13:31.360 --> 0:13:35.880 be pretty off putting for some like white American survivor 0:13:36.040 --> 0:13:39.520 to be like, hey, everybody, listen to me. 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:41.040 That's what we're saying. 0:13:41.120 --> 0:13:43.320 First of all, you're gonna have to listen to me 0:13:43.320 --> 0:13:46.200 in English, and second of all, we're doing this, we're 0:13:46.760 --> 0:13:49.520 saving the world. And the other level that I keep 0:13:49.559 --> 0:13:51.920 thinking about, especially in this episode of thinking a lot 0:13:51.920 --> 0:13:53.680 about it, is like, how much of this do you 0:13:53.720 --> 0:13:59.920 think is recall the reaction to the really misogynistic reaction 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:02.400 to Skyler and Breaking Bad, where it's like, oh, it's 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:04.560 Skyle was so boring and she's such a nag, And 0:14:04.559 --> 0:14:07.280 it's like when she was just reacting basically how a 0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:10.120 normal person would react if they discovered their husband was 0:14:10.120 --> 0:14:11.640 like a fucking major drug dealer. 0:14:11.720 --> 0:14:15.480 She kept her family going as well, like there's something 0:14:15.559 --> 0:14:18.480 to that. Yeah, how much of this is him saying 0:14:18.480 --> 0:14:19.880 he's gonna make a skylaw? 0:14:20.680 --> 0:14:23.640 Yeah, Vince saying, oh you want you want a woman 0:14:23.680 --> 0:14:26.360 who you don't like, who you like? 0:14:26.760 --> 0:14:27.080 You want? 0:14:27.160 --> 0:14:28.920 Is here we go? 0:14:29.520 --> 0:14:30.560 You're gonna get in now? 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:31.400 Oh you really? 0:14:32.280 --> 0:14:35.280 I love that take, Jason, because I do think the 0:14:35.320 --> 0:14:39.760 Skyla conversation was such a and it's still honestly, there's 0:14:39.840 --> 0:14:42.800 probably still someone to write a book about that that 0:14:42.880 --> 0:14:45.200 we haven't even read yet about all of it. So 0:14:45.280 --> 0:14:47.760 I love that Vince as a re as like a 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:51.960 reaction to Breaking Bad, making Carol like this. 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:55.400 I also think that he is doing a masterclass. 0:14:55.440 --> 0:14:57.680 And this is the sort of thing where I think 0:14:57.720 --> 0:15:01.320 his way of subverting these stories maybe even takes a 0:15:01.360 --> 0:15:05.040 little while for people to clock onto, including like myself, right, 0:15:05.200 --> 0:15:07.160 because I think you make a character like this, you 0:15:07.240 --> 0:15:10.600 make a character like Carol, it's meant to be about redemption, 0:15:10.760 --> 0:15:13.680 or it's meant to be about unlikability, but like it's 0:15:13.680 --> 0:15:16.400 meant to be about her trauma. And but what he's 0:15:16.440 --> 0:15:18.480 doing is he's giving us all of that, and he 0:15:18.600 --> 0:15:22.520 has managed to make Carol an empathetic person to a point, 0:15:23.000 --> 0:15:25.480 But now he's saying, what is it like to be 0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:28.600 around that person? Like you can be as empathetic as 0:15:28.640 --> 0:15:33.200 you want. But like also Diabarte, like who is still 0:15:33.200 --> 0:15:35.640 trying to deal with everything Carol's dealing with and he's 0:15:35.720 --> 0:15:38.160 chosen to deal with it in a hedonistic way, right 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:40.800 to make the most of it. Like she is acting 0:15:40.880 --> 0:15:43.280 like no one else has been through what she's been through, 0:15:43.680 --> 0:15:46.560 just because the others are dealing with it differently. And 0:15:46.720 --> 0:15:49.840 I think that must be such a frustrating thing. And 0:15:49.920 --> 0:15:53.000 we know nothing because we've been in Carol's perspectives. We 0:15:53.120 --> 0:15:55.360 know nothing about where these people came from, what their 0:15:55.400 --> 0:15:58.560 life experience was, Like, I think this is a very 0:15:58.600 --> 0:16:02.520 interesting kind of also a bit of a treatise on 0:16:02.680 --> 0:16:07.520 like depression and how when you're incredibly depressed, it doesn't 0:16:07.600 --> 0:16:11.320 matter what you do, you still are deep, deep, deep 0:16:11.360 --> 0:16:14.880 in that like loneliness and depression. And I do feel 0:16:14.880 --> 0:16:18.280 that with Carol sometimes, like I'm like, You're in Vegas 0:16:18.640 --> 0:16:21.440 and you could be doing anything you wanted, and all 0:16:21.480 --> 0:16:23.880 you can think about is how angry and bitter and 0:16:23.920 --> 0:16:26.440 depressed you are and how furious you are. And I 0:16:26.440 --> 0:16:29.360 feel like that in its own self is also very relatable. 0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:30.800 So that balance. 0:16:30.400 --> 0:16:33.880 Between Carol sucking but still those moments where we all 0:16:33.920 --> 0:16:36.920 go oh wow, yeah, I see where she's coming from. 0:16:37.000 --> 0:16:40.480 That is a truly gilliganesque balance that I think is 0:16:40.480 --> 0:16:41.960 going to really ultimately pay off. 0:16:42.960 --> 0:16:46.440 Yeah, one other thing that I wanted to get into, 0:16:47.080 --> 0:16:49.720 just to circle back a little bit about the actual 0:16:49.880 --> 0:16:52.360 reveal of the HDP and what it is and how 0:16:52.760 --> 0:16:54.840 so far throughout the season, I feel like there've been 0:16:54.880 --> 0:16:59.360 these questions or mysteries introduced that are pretty quickly explained, 0:17:00.120 --> 0:17:02.479 and most of the time the explanations are very reasonable 0:17:02.600 --> 0:17:04.679 or make a lot of sense within the logic of 0:17:04.720 --> 0:17:06.720 the show, the world of the show, and I think 0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:10.439 the HDP thing was a great example of that. So 0:17:10.920 --> 0:17:13.280 how do we feel about the reveal that, you know, 0:17:13.400 --> 0:17:17.040 our initial obvious assumption like, oh, maybe they're just eating people, 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:19.119 it's a swim and green thing was right. Were you 0:17:19.119 --> 0:17:22.520 guys disappointed by that or because that was pretty subversive 0:17:22.520 --> 0:17:24.639 in my opinion to just give us the obvious answer. 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:30.320 I was. I was really satisfied. I'm intrigued by the 0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:34.399 way that it works in world, and like I immediately 0:17:34.440 --> 0:17:38.960 found myself as John Ceno was kind of explaining their 0:17:39.000 --> 0:17:44.040 limitations as we can't we can't kill or disrupt any 0:17:44.080 --> 0:17:46.920 living thing. I can't go and like pull up wheat 0:17:46.960 --> 0:17:50.919 and harvest rice even because that would be disrupting the 0:17:50.960 --> 0:17:54.840 plant's natural life. I guess it left me wondering. I go, Okay, 0:17:54.920 --> 0:17:59.760 how did like what's the what's the limit? Because like 0:17:59.800 --> 0:18:03.080 you're walking around and you're like walking on ants, or 0:18:03.119 --> 0:18:10.320 you're exactly killing you're killing single celled organisms like ause 0:18:10.440 --> 0:18:13.240 you you know, in your stomach, So like what is 0:18:13.320 --> 0:18:14.719 the actual limit? 0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:19.040 I just am that can't be the whole story. There's 0:18:19.080 --> 0:18:19.720 got to be. 0:18:19.680 --> 0:18:23.240 Things around the edges that that are you're not telling 0:18:23.320 --> 0:18:23.680 us about. 0:18:23.800 --> 0:18:27.200 Definitely, especially because if you think about it, the whole 0:18:27.320 --> 0:18:30.840 notion of like, oh, they need consent, but they didn't 0:18:30.840 --> 0:18:35.320 need consent when they first infected the people. I think 0:18:35.359 --> 0:18:38.040 it must be to infect the people that they know 0:18:38.280 --> 0:18:41.560 they can't infect, they would They basically have some kind 0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:44.800 of mental block or mental choice that is making it harder, 0:18:44.840 --> 0:18:47.679 so they have to consent, and that leads us to 0:18:48.200 --> 0:18:51.040 what they were foreshadowing earlier in this season that Aaron 0:18:51.240 --> 0:18:53.280 brought up on pre pro a little bit, which is 0:18:53.400 --> 0:18:56.680 kind of this theory of the importance of Carol's frozen eggs. 0:18:57.240 --> 0:19:00.560 Because they mentioned them, they bought up the fact that 0:19:00.600 --> 0:19:02.880 they have them, and as Aaron pointed out, if they 0:19:03.000 --> 0:19:06.400 wanted to get stem cells from Carol that she'd already 0:19:06.400 --> 0:19:10.000 given her consent to have harvested, then she would be 0:19:10.000 --> 0:19:14.120 in a situation where maybe that would be something. 0:19:14.440 --> 0:19:15.880 Do you think that. 0:19:15.800 --> 0:19:19.160 You guys could see a world whether they Introdruce Paraguay, Guy, 0:19:19.640 --> 0:19:24.080 introduce Carol, have them meet. But then the second season, 0:19:24.640 --> 0:19:28.159 because of the eggs, they have actually turned Carol to 0:19:28.240 --> 0:19:30.960 the hive mind and Carol becomes like the leader of 0:19:31.000 --> 0:19:33.560 the hive mind for season two, and we're following the 0:19:33.560 --> 0:19:36.000 rest of the group. I'm just I feel like the 0:19:36.080 --> 0:19:38.240 eggs are too much of a you can't. 0:19:38.119 --> 0:19:39.160 Leave it for too long. 0:19:39.320 --> 0:19:41.560 They're not gonna be able to last that long. We 0:19:41.640 --> 0:19:43.800 need to know whether or not it's going to work soon, 0:19:43.880 --> 0:19:46.240 and if it does, I would love to see Ria 0:19:46.400 --> 0:19:51.399 do a second season where she's just all sinister, terrifying smiles, 0:19:51.440 --> 0:19:53.520 but maybe still trying to fight her way through. 0:19:54.000 --> 0:19:55.879 That would be interesting there, you know. 0:19:56.160 --> 0:20:00.479 I I feel like that the eggs have to be something, 0:20:00.880 --> 0:20:05.200 and I do agree that if they have the stem 0:20:05.240 --> 0:20:11.560 cells already in their possession, that basically disrupts the piece 0:20:11.640 --> 0:20:15.800 where they can't get the stem cells without consent, so 0:20:15.840 --> 0:20:19.400 they can just i think, escalate to make the infection. 0:20:20.040 --> 0:20:23.800 It'll be interesting to see if Carol. I think Carol 0:20:23.880 --> 0:20:27.199 will actually figure that out before they do it. I 0:20:27.200 --> 0:20:32.800 think she'll ask about it, Hey, guised episode, I think 0:20:32.840 --> 0:20:37.840 she'll figure that. I think that, knowing what she now knows, 0:20:38.280 --> 0:20:39.920 she will eventually figure that out. 0:20:40.280 --> 0:20:54.400 Let's go to a quick breakery right back, and we're back. 0:20:55.119 --> 0:20:57.639 Let's talk about Paraguay Guy for a second, because I 0:20:57.680 --> 0:21:02.720 am it does feel like like he's a spy or 0:21:03.240 --> 0:21:07.120 a government agent or a former military like he's too 0:21:07.200 --> 0:21:10.240 prepared with maps and with all the stuff he has 0:21:10.280 --> 0:21:10.760 hidden in. 0:21:10.680 --> 0:21:11.440 His house for. 0:21:12.960 --> 0:21:18.120 Back to cash, for like hitting the road. And one 0:21:18.119 --> 0:21:22.400 thing we have not seen is any kind of introduction 0:21:22.880 --> 0:21:26.400 of a threat of violence, And I do wonder if 0:21:26.440 --> 0:21:32.960 he will bring that, like if his if his philosophy 0:21:33.000 --> 0:21:36.680 will be just like, let's, I don't know, let's kill 0:21:36.720 --> 0:21:37.480 them all or something. 0:21:37.640 --> 0:21:41.119 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:21:41.560 --> 0:21:44.280 I was wondering whether it's going to be something like 0:21:44.760 --> 0:21:46.960 he was a prepper who knew that aliens were coming 0:21:47.000 --> 0:21:51.000 because he was a scientist who'd worked in NASA or something, 0:21:51.480 --> 0:21:53.560 or this is the more out there one. But I 0:21:53.640 --> 0:21:57.720 believe Vince could present it in an unexpected way, like 0:21:57.760 --> 0:22:01.480 you said, and with the so green kind of human reveal, 0:22:01.600 --> 0:22:03.960 it felt like that could be the only reveal. But 0:22:04.040 --> 0:22:05.880 the way they did it, with this kind of John 0:22:05.960 --> 0:22:08.760 Cena psa kind of here's what's going on. 0:22:09.000 --> 0:22:13.240 Was so unusual. I also wonder if there's a world 0:22:13.320 --> 0:22:14.920 where Paraguay Guy. 0:22:14.960 --> 0:22:17.679 Is somebody who escaped from a different planet that they 0:22:17.680 --> 0:22:19.359 did this to one hundred years ago and has just 0:22:19.400 --> 0:22:22.360 been living chill you know, like Vince Gilligan could actually 0:22:22.440 --> 0:22:25.280