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Speaker 4: In today's episode, we are talking about Pluribus one oh
Speaker 4: six HDP. There are gonna be some serious reveal guys,
Speaker 4: so if you haven't watched, to make sure you watch
Speaker 4: it before we jump right in.
Speaker 5: And a quick delectable reminder.
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Speaker 2: But first up, Pluribus episode six HDP. It's a de
Speaker 2: Bay Carol drives to Vegas to see Diabate and Diabate
Speaker 2: let me tell you he's making the post invasion Hive
Speaker 2: mind world seem pretty good.
Speaker 5: I would be living like him.
Speaker 2: He's living like a James Bond meets Elvis in a
Speaker 2: Heineken commercial kind of lifestyle. Doing make them up, doing
Speaker 2: little improvs where like he's James Bond and he's got
Speaker 2: to beat some you know, arms dealer at no limit
Speaker 2: hold them and they're betting four million dollars a hand,
Speaker 2: and it's it's fun for him. He's having a great time.
Speaker 2: When Carol approaches, though, the party kind of ends because
Speaker 2: all the hive mind folks are like, hey, we gotta go.
Speaker 5: She's annoying us out, Like, let's just yeah, she's a.
Speaker 1: Little scary, it's a little annoying.
Speaker 2: She blew up one of us with a grenade and
Speaker 2: then gave one of us a heart attack, and then
Speaker 2: we all started crying worldwide, and it's just too much.
Speaker 2: So I know, we were about it seemed like we're
Speaker 2: about to get it into like an orgy here.
Speaker 1: With you and the jacuzzi Diabate, including the cleaning staff.
Speaker 2: But we're gonna have to shut that down for now
Speaker 2: now and because Carol's coming. Carol gets there, but before
Speaker 2: she can tell Diabate her shocking discovery that you know,
Speaker 2: if from the walk in freezer, which is just like
Speaker 2: heads and arms and legs and basically the high mind's
Speaker 2: eating people. He's like, oh, you mean the high minding
Speaker 2: people think, yeah, watch this video by John.
Speaker 5: Cena incredible, incredible drop.
Speaker 4: Sina On behalf of the hive mind, tells Carol what's
Speaker 4: going on. Basically, there are you know, seven billion hive
Speaker 4: mind and since due to biological rules, they can't kill
Speaker 4: a living thing, even plants, which means the hive mind
Speaker 4: is steadily starving food left over in storage, fruits, vegetables
Speaker 4: that fall on the ground, and I guess you know,
Speaker 4: all meat and stuff that are ready to milk or
Speaker 4: dye are naturally the.
Speaker 5: Main food sources they can interact with.
Speaker 4: That supply is earmarked though for Carol and other survivors,
Speaker 4: and they will always receive the best of that. But
Speaker 4: there's a lot of caloric deficit to make up. Thus
Speaker 4: the people protein HDP HDP, which honestly it's giving soil
Speaker 4: and green. We did get it, soil and green. We
Speaker 4: did get this right, guys. But I trust me to
Speaker 4: have something up his sleeve.
Speaker 5: It's peep.
Speaker 4: Carol, she is left reeling and she's basically then learns
Speaker 4: that all the survivors apart from Paraguay Guy, have been
Speaker 4: basically in a group chat because Carol is the annoying
Speaker 4: person you don't want in the group chat, and they
Speaker 4: don't want her in there. She's aggressive, she's toxic, and
Speaker 4: Diabarte's basically like bro. The hive mind has about ten
Speaker 4: years before they starve to death. So me and the
Speaker 4: other survivors have been trying to figure out solutions, robots
Speaker 4: to pick food like, they've actually been coming up with plans.
Speaker 4: Carol is her and being left out, but apparently it
Speaker 4: went to vote and buy democratic decree.
Speaker 5: Absolutely no one likes her and I don't.
Speaker 1: Buy it is a brutal, brutal beat for Carol.
Speaker 2: So Carol goes to sleep like in the bathroom, like
Speaker 2: on a big, big couch. This, you know, Diabate suite
Speaker 2: is like every room is the size of a house.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And the bathroom couch always reminds me of like
Speaker 4: if you go into like a fancy Nordstrom or something,
Speaker 4: they always have like a women's bathroom and you're like,
Speaker 4: why is there a couch here?
Speaker 5: I don't know, but I'm into it. It was giving Diabarte, you.
Speaker 2: Know, in true Vince Gilgen style, Tay is a hedonist,
Speaker 2: but he's like very kind. There's something else. There's a
Speaker 2: softness to him. There's a generosity weird weirdly to him
Speaker 2: as well as this kind of like you know, over
Speaker 2: the top lifestyle. And he puts a blanket on her
Speaker 2: and the next day he makes breakfast and Carol tries
Speaker 2: to stick around by being by kind of like you know,
Speaker 2: as a test balloon and be like, maybe I'll hang
Speaker 2: around Vegas, like get my own sweet somewhere, and she
Speaker 2: can tell by his body language that he's like, I
Speaker 2: don't need that, so so she's like, Aha, just kidding,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go back to Albert. I can't wait to
Speaker 2: get back to albertquer.
Speaker 5: Go'll be great. I love it that, I love it.
Speaker 5: Things are guy great and they're fucking awesome.
Speaker 2: Carol, meanwhile, is still obviously hostile to the heart hive mind,
Speaker 2: doesn't really care about the starvation issue, basically saying like
Speaker 2: that's their fault for doing this, uh, and is still
Speaker 2: totally dedicated to figuring out like a solution to this infection.
Speaker 2: And she points out to Debat what happens anyway when
Speaker 2: they figured out how to infect us and now Diabate
Speaker 2: drops a fucking bomb that apparently the Hive mind only
Speaker 2: figured out yesterday that they need stem cells from a
Speaker 2: survivor in order to infect them to tailor the virus
Speaker 2: directly towards their DNA and.
Speaker 1: Their stem cells.
Speaker 2: But to harvest the stem cells they would need consent
Speaker 2: and if they and if a person won't give consent,
Speaker 2: then they can't do it and how And Carol's like what,
Speaker 2: So she calls the timeline number to get to to
Speaker 2: basically confirm this, and the Hive Mind confirm it and
Speaker 2: that's it. And then as Carol is leaving, Diabaate is like,
Speaker 2: let the Hive Mind come back. Can you just chill
Speaker 2: out so they can you know, they'll come back, and
Speaker 2: Soshi wants to see you, and you know, they want
Speaker 2: to see you basically, and Carol's like, fuck them, fuck.
Speaker 5: Them, I know.
Speaker 4: I'm like, make up your mind, babe. Three days earlier,
Speaker 4: Paraguay Guy finally finds the frequency on which the Hive
Speaker 4: Mind appeared to be wi fiing. He also opens Carol's
Speaker 4: a little special video package and learns that the Hive
Speaker 4: Mind cannot lie and are not really a threat as
Speaker 4: they're totally nonviolent and will agree to whatever you say.
Speaker 4: He finally leaves his bunker goes to collect some stuff
Speaker 4: and eat. He gets his car ready, gathers some stuff,
Speaker 4: lots of spy maps.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's breaks.
Speaker 4: He is definitely a spy of some kind or some
Speaker 4: kind of like special preppers, preppers something. Definitely he's ready,
Speaker 4: and he's obviously going to visit Carol.
Speaker 5: His mum meets him on the street, but he.
Speaker 4: Is hostile to her, saying it's not really his mum,
Speaker 4: it's obviously a hive mind. And this is I thought,
Speaker 4: such a great Vince moment where he's like, actually, my
Speaker 4: mom was fucking mean and horror most and would never
Speaker 4: have been fucking nice to me, So don't come to
Speaker 4: me with this bullshit fate. That is the first sign
Speaker 4: of the more sinister side. I think of what they're
Speaker 4: doing is this kind of reprogramming that means, even if
Speaker 4: you are not involved, they are going to try and
Speaker 4: restructure your life in a way that's like happier. I
Speaker 4: think that that moment for me was the first moment
Speaker 4: where I was like, oh, that's really bleak. Like your
Speaker 4: abusive mom comes up to you in the street and she's.
Speaker 5: Like, hey, don't leave, I love you.
Speaker 4: It's like, no, go away, don't do that, like, you're
Speaker 4: not winning me over to the hive mind.
Speaker 5: Guys.
Speaker 1: Well, let's take a quick break.
Speaker 2: Then let's bring super producer he and then to discuss.
Speaker 1: This episode, and we're back.
Speaker 2: Let's tap in Ian super producer ian Ian, Welcome to
Speaker 2: the program.
Speaker 1: What did you think of this episode?
Speaker 6: Fantastic episode. I think this might have been my favorite
Speaker 6: of the season so far. Between a lot of big
Speaker 6: information reveals that we're given this episode, the John Cena
Speaker 6: cameo I thought.
Speaker 1: Was excellent, so good.
Speaker 6: He's having a huge year, He's having a massive Isn't.
Speaker 4: That exactly who you would expect aliens to get to? Yes,
Speaker 4: I was, yeah, you like, oh, John Cena says, this
Speaker 4: is okay, okay.
Speaker 6: Right, like the guy with the most makeup wash grants ever, Like, yeah,
Speaker 6: I'll trust him, yeah, you know. And then also just
Speaker 6: some of the cinematography to the shots of the Vegas
Speaker 6: streets empty, you know. I know that's like a common
Speaker 6: trope in a lot of these kind of survival shows
Speaker 6: and movies, but it's always super impressive to me when
Speaker 6: you see these huge urban cores completely empty and abandoned
Speaker 6: like that. And like you mentioned last week, you know,
Speaker 6: like the liminal spaces and things, and just seeing these
Speaker 6: really densely crowded places completely abandoned. I think those are
Speaker 6: those kinds of shots are always super interesting.
Speaker 4: I think Vince did a just quickly, just did an
Speaker 4: incredible job with those shots, because oftentimes I feel like
Speaker 4: nowadays you think about blade around of twenty forty nine
Speaker 4: or something compared to your twenty eight days later, they
Speaker 4: always feel very cig But I was absolutely like they
Speaker 4: must have gone out there and shot at like three
Speaker 4: in the morning and closed off certain parts of the
Speaker 4: road or something, because it just looked incredible. I love
Speaker 4: the little extra mile that he is going to make
Speaker 4: this feel real.
Speaker 5: Is really selling this and settling the show for me.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about Carol's air quotes, discovery, her reveal to Diabate,
Speaker 2: and then basically her discovery of how actually complete her
Speaker 2: isolation is, because I found that to be such a
Speaker 2: fun way to twist these revelations around and adding another
Speaker 2: dimension to them and kind of like underlining the basic theme,
Speaker 2: which is Carol weirdly is kind of like her own
Speaker 2: enemy and yes, yes, mission to try and save the world.
Speaker 2: I thought that was so well done. To your point
Speaker 2: that John Cena thing was perfect. And the thing that
Speaker 2: I love about this episode is how I'm sitting there going, well,
Speaker 2: I guess you know the high Mine have a point, right.
Speaker 3: What did you do?
Speaker 6: I mean, that's what I want to get into.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, let's get into that.
Speaker 4: Vince Gilligan has basically like taken a trope that we
Speaker 4: all thought is.
Speaker 5: A dangerous trope to play with, which is the unlikable woman.
Speaker 4: Right right, But then he turned it into a searing
Speaker 4: kind of take on like main character syndrome and how
Speaker 4: like being obsessed with your own version of what the
Speaker 4: world needs to be and not being in community with
Speaker 4: even the twelve people you can still be in community
Speaker 4: with the fact that she is essentially the last person
Speaker 4: on earth who's been kept out of the group chat
Speaker 4: is like such a horrifically yeh crifically millennial thing. Ian
Speaker 4: talk a little bit more about the way that Vince
Speaker 4: is building that stuff in because that isolation level is
Speaker 4: so painful.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I think this when Carol learns the
Speaker 6: truth about the HGP and how you know she's the
Speaker 6: last one essentially to find out that it's basically her
Speaker 6: own fault for choosing to isolate herself and be so antagonistic. Yes,
Speaker 6: not only towards the hive mind, but towards the other
Speaker 6: survivors as well. You know, if she had just taken
Speaker 6: the time to ask a few more questions or be
Speaker 6: a little bit more curious, she probably would have learned
Speaker 6: this information earlier, just like Diabat did you know again?
Speaker 6: He was like, well, I asked them, like, why are
Speaker 6: you guys drinking milk all the time?
Speaker 2: And so they explained it to him because they can't
Speaker 2: lie exactly. His note that well, you know, some of
Speaker 2: our non English speakers, they were offended. And I think
Speaker 2: that there's there's so many interesting levels to this. There's
Speaker 2: the one level from the other survivor's perspective of like
Speaker 2: I can imagine being Diabaate or being someone else who's like, Okay,
Speaker 2: obviously this is concerning and there's a lot of downsides
Speaker 2: to this, But I'm also gonna, you know, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: enjoy this because why not. And two, it's got to
Speaker 2: be pretty off putting for some like white American survivor
Speaker 2: to be like, hey, everybody, listen to me.
Speaker 5: That's what we're saying.
Speaker 2: First of all, you're gonna have to listen to me
Speaker 2: in English, and second of all, we're doing this, we're
Speaker 2: saving the world. And the other level that I keep
Speaker 2: thinking about, especially in this episode of thinking a lot
Speaker 2: about it, is like, how much of this do you
Speaker 2: think is recall the reaction to the really misogynistic reaction
Speaker 2: to Skyler and Breaking Bad, where it's like, oh, it's
Speaker 2: Skyle was so boring and she's such a nag, And
Speaker 2: it's like when she was just reacting basically how a
Speaker 2: normal person would react if they discovered their husband was
Speaker 2: like a fucking major drug dealer.
Speaker 4: She kept her family going as well, like there's something
Speaker 4: to that. Yeah, how much of this is him saying
Speaker 4: he's gonna make a skylaw?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Vince saying, oh you want you want a woman
Speaker 2: who you don't like, who you like?
Speaker 6: You want?
Speaker 3: Is here we go?
Speaker 1: You're gonna get in now?
Speaker 5: Oh you really?
Speaker 4: I love that take, Jason, because I do think the
Speaker 4: Skyla conversation was such a and it's still honestly, there's
Speaker 4: probably still someone to write a book about that that
Speaker 4: we haven't even read yet about all of it. So
Speaker 4: I love that Vince as a re as like a
Speaker 4: reaction to Breaking Bad, making Carol like this.
Speaker 5: I also think that he is doing a masterclass.
Speaker 4: And this is the sort of thing where I think
Speaker 4: his way of subverting these stories maybe even takes a
Speaker 4: little while for people to clock onto, including like myself, right,
Speaker 4: because I think you make a character like this, you
Speaker 4: make a character like Carol, it's meant to be about redemption,
Speaker 4: or it's meant to be about unlikability, but like it's
Speaker 4: meant to be about her trauma. And but what he's
Speaker 4: doing is he's giving us all of that, and he
Speaker 4: has managed to make Carol an empathetic person to a point,
Speaker 4: But now he's saying, what is it like to be
Speaker 4: around that person? Like you can be as empathetic as
Speaker 4: you want. But like also Diabarte, like who is still
Speaker 4: trying to deal with everything Carol's dealing with and he's
Speaker 4: chosen to deal with it in a hedonistic way, right
Speaker 4: to make the most of it. Like she is acting
Speaker 4: like no one else has been through what she's been through,
Speaker 4: just because the others are dealing with it differently. And
Speaker 4: I think that must be such a frustrating thing. And
Speaker 4: we know nothing because we've been in Carol's perspectives. We
Speaker 4: know nothing about where these people came from, what their
Speaker 4: life experience was, Like, I think this is a very
Speaker 4: interesting kind of also a bit of a treatise on
Speaker 4: like depression and how when you're incredibly depressed, it doesn't
Speaker 4: matter what you do, you still are deep, deep, deep
Speaker 4: in that like loneliness and depression. And I do feel
Speaker 4: that with Carol sometimes, like I'm like, You're in Vegas
Speaker 4: and you could be doing anything you wanted, and all
Speaker 4: you can think about is how angry and bitter and
Speaker 4: depressed you are and how furious you are. And I
Speaker 4: feel like that in its own self is also very relatable.
Speaker 5: So that balance.
Speaker 4: Between Carol sucking but still those moments where we all
Speaker 4: go oh wow, yeah, I see where she's coming from.
Speaker 4: That is a truly gilliganesque balance that I think is
Speaker 4: going to really ultimately pay off.
Speaker 6: Yeah, one other thing that I wanted to get into,
Speaker 6: just to circle back a little bit about the actual
Speaker 6: reveal of the HDP and what it is and how
Speaker 6: so far throughout the season, I feel like there've been
Speaker 6: these questions or mysteries introduced that are pretty quickly explained,
Speaker 6: and most of the time the explanations are very reasonable
Speaker 6: or make a lot of sense within the logic of
Speaker 6: the show, the world of the show, and I think
Speaker 6: the HDP thing was a great example of that. So
Speaker 6: how do we feel about the reveal that, you know,
Speaker 6: our initial obvious assumption like, oh, maybe they're just eating people,
Speaker 6: it's a swim and green thing was right. Were you
Speaker 6: guys disappointed by that or because that was pretty subversive
Speaker 6: in my opinion to just give us the obvious answer.
Speaker 2: I was. I was really satisfied. I'm intrigued by the
Speaker 2: way that it works in world, and like I immediately
Speaker 2: found myself as John Ceno was kind of explaining their
Speaker 2: limitations as we can't we can't kill or disrupt any
Speaker 2: living thing. I can't go and like pull up wheat
Speaker 2: and harvest rice even because that would be disrupting the
Speaker 2: plant's natural life. I guess it left me wondering. I go, Okay,
Speaker 2: how did like what's the what's the limit? Because like
Speaker 2: you're walking around and you're like walking on ants, or
Speaker 2: you're exactly killing you're killing single celled organisms like ause
Speaker 2: you you know, in your stomach, So like what is
Speaker 2: the actual limit?
Speaker 1: I just am that can't be the whole story. There's
Speaker 1: got to be.
Speaker 2: Things around the edges that that are you're not telling
Speaker 2: us about.
Speaker 4: Definitely, especially because if you think about it, the whole
Speaker 4: notion of like, oh, they need consent, but they didn't
Speaker 4: need consent when they first infected the people. I think
Speaker 4: it must be to infect the people that they know
Speaker 4: they can't infect, they would They basically have some kind
Speaker 4: of mental block or mental choice that is making it harder,
Speaker 4: so they have to consent, and that leads us to
Speaker 4: what they were foreshadowing earlier in this season that Aaron
Speaker 4: brought up on pre pro a little bit, which is
Speaker 4: kind of this theory of the importance of Carol's frozen eggs.
Speaker 4: Because they mentioned them, they bought up the fact that
Speaker 4: they have them, and as Aaron pointed out, if they
Speaker 4: wanted to get stem cells from Carol that she'd already
Speaker 4: given her consent to have harvested, then she would be
Speaker 4: in a situation where maybe that would be something.
Speaker 5: Do you think that.
Speaker 4: You guys could see a world whether they Introdruce Paraguay, Guy,
Speaker 4: introduce Carol, have them meet. But then the second season,
Speaker 4: because of the eggs, they have actually turned Carol to
Speaker 4: the hive mind and Carol becomes like the leader of
Speaker 4: the hive mind for season two, and we're following the
Speaker 4: rest of the group. I'm just I feel like the
Speaker 4: eggs are too much of a you can't.
Speaker 5: Leave it for too long.
Speaker 4: They're not gonna be able to last that long. We
Speaker 4: need to know whether or not it's going to work soon,
Speaker 4: and if it does, I would love to see Ria
Speaker 4: do a second season where she's just all sinister, terrifying smiles,
Speaker 4: but maybe still trying to fight her way through.
Speaker 6: That would be interesting there, you know.
Speaker 2: I I feel like that the eggs have to be something,
Speaker 2: and I do agree that if they have the stem
Speaker 2: cells already in their possession, that basically disrupts the piece
Speaker 2: where they can't get the stem cells without consent, so
Speaker 2: they can just i think, escalate to make the infection.
Speaker 2: It'll be interesting to see if Carol. I think Carol
Speaker 2: will actually figure that out before they do it. I
Speaker 2: think she'll ask about it, Hey, guised episode, I think
Speaker 2: she'll figure that. I think that, knowing what she now knows,
Speaker 2: she will eventually figure that out.
Speaker 3: Let's go to a quick breakery right back, and we're back.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about Paraguay Guy for a second, because I
Speaker 2: am it does feel like like he's a spy or
Speaker 2: a government agent or a former military like he's too
Speaker 2: prepared with maps and with all the stuff he has
Speaker 2: hidden in.
Speaker 1: His house for.
Speaker 2: Back to cash, for like hitting the road. And one
Speaker 2: thing we have not seen is any kind of introduction
Speaker 2: of a threat of violence, And I do wonder if
Speaker 2: he will bring that, like if his if his philosophy
Speaker 2: will be just like, let's, I don't know, let's kill
Speaker 2: them all or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: I was wondering whether it's going to be something like
Speaker 4: he was a prepper who knew that aliens were coming
Speaker 4: because he was a scientist who'd worked in NASA or something,
Speaker 4: or this is the more out there one. But I
Speaker 4: believe Vince could present it in an unexpected way, like
Speaker 4: you said, and with the so green kind of human reveal,
Speaker 4: it felt like that could be the only reveal. But
Speaker 4: the way they did it, with this kind of John
Speaker 4: Cena psa kind of here's what's going on.
Speaker 5: Was so unusual. I also wonder if there's a world
Speaker 5: where Paraguay Guy.
Speaker 4: Is somebody who escaped from a different planet that they
Speaker 4: did this to one hundred years ago and has just
Speaker 4: been living chill you know, like Vince Gilligan could actually
Speaker 4: present that in a way where I'd go, Yeah, here's
Speaker 4: a guy who's been just chilling on this planet fifty
Speaker 4: years waiting for this to happen, So I'm interested if
Speaker 4: it's that Ian.
Speaker 2: What do you think about Paraguay Guy? Yeah, do you
Speaker 2: think Paraguay Guy is a spy or what?
Speaker 6: Yeah? I think there's gonna be because he seems way
Speaker 6: more paranoid or afraid of the Highline in a way
Speaker 6: that like even Carol is not. She's more like angry
Speaker 6: at them or like annoyed, but he's like paranoid, like afraid.
Speaker 6: So I think, yeah, there's there's something more about him,
Speaker 6: obviously that we still have yet to learn, but like
Speaker 6: he's yeah, a spy or like you said, an alien
Speaker 6: who is here just like trying to retire on Earth
Speaker 6: or some I'm thinking he's like, shit, this other high
Speaker 6: mind is fucking up my retirement plans exactly.
Speaker 4: It feels very coded to that. It seems like we're
Speaker 4: definitely going towards a Carol Paraguay Guy meet up. Do
Speaker 4: you think there's a version where Jason if you're reading
Speaker 4: that right, and he shows up and is like I'm
Speaker 4: a blo up a bunch of people with dynamite, Like
Speaker 4: it's not really them we need to kill the Hive Mind.
Speaker 4: Is Carol gonna end up trying to save Zosha and
Speaker 4: the other survivors where we see her take a little
Speaker 4: step towards redemption in that way, or will hur and
Speaker 4: Paraguay Guy team up? I think those are like the
Speaker 4: biggest questions.
Speaker 2: I think that well, if I'm right, I expect Carol
Speaker 2: will be stuck somewhere in the middle of trying to
Speaker 2: trying to hold Paraguay Guy back somehow. But I you know,
Speaker 2: like again, I think one of the most fantastic things
Speaker 2: about this show is like, you don't really I.
Speaker 1: Have no idea. I think I just could go in
Speaker 1: any direction.
Speaker 2: I wanted to ask everybody as kind of our final
Speaker 2: cover station starter in inspired by Diabate's you know, fantastic
Speaker 2: quality of life and what would we what would you
Speaker 2: be doing? Hive Mind hits same exact rules your immune Obviously,
Speaker 2: it's very traumatic and there's other things going. You know,
Speaker 2: there's going to be a lot of feelings of loss
Speaker 2: and grief and this.
Speaker 1: That and the other. What are we? What do we
Speaker 1: end up doing to pass the time.
Speaker 6: Oh man, okay, I would probably take a few pages
Speaker 6: out of the Diabante playbook. I don't know if I
Speaker 6: would go full on harem. I don't know if I
Speaker 6: would go full on harem.
Speaker 1: I mean it's a harem folks.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: But I would definitely be like, you know, eating dinner
Speaker 6: on the Eiffel Tower, or like you know, playing video
Speaker 6: games like in the coliseum or some shit like stuff
Speaker 6: like that. I think I would like headline Coachella for
Speaker 6: the Hive Mind.
Speaker 5: Like you know, I like that.
Speaker 4: I would definitely be in Palm Springs, I think would
Speaker 4: be my base. That's like a good walkable town. They've
Speaker 4: got like good infrastructure. I would definitely just be That
Speaker 4: would be like my my Vegas style bas I would
Speaker 4: be watching a.
Speaker 5: Lot of movies in the movie theater.
Speaker 4: I would be playing a lot of video games in
Speaker 4: the movie theater, hook up the projector you know. I
Speaker 4: don't know if I trust the Hive Mind to like
Speaker 4: flymy places as much as they say, you know, you
Speaker 4: can trust them. That's why I'm I'm driving anywhere I
Speaker 4: can go. That's driving.
Speaker 1: What don't you try what? I love this?
Speaker 2: But what is it that you don't I don't know
Speaker 2: you trust that you're worried about a Carol Wi.
Speaker 5: Fi outage, Carol Wi Fi outage. We don't really know
Speaker 5: how it works. What if one of them has a
Speaker 5: memory and ends up.
Speaker 4: Getting like stressed and like X is out and just
Speaker 4: crashes the plane?
Speaker 5: Like every guy, get it? Who is a part?
Speaker 4: Every person in the hive mind can fly a plane
Speaker 4: because somebody was a part. But that also means they
Speaker 4: have the memories of a drunk pilot who like didn't
Speaker 4: know the way.
Speaker 5: You know, like I don't know I'm driving. I'm driving.
Speaker 5: I'm also like that's pretty good. I don't know how
Speaker 5: to drive.
Speaker 4: So I would just drive there in like a if
Speaker 4: I if I haven't larned by then when this happens,
Speaker 4: I'll drive that in like a you know, one of
Speaker 4: those steam rollers or something. So I'm just like driving
Speaker 4: down that one street to Palm Springs in a giant
Speaker 4: steamroll and just steam rolling over anything else.
Speaker 5: Ian where is where's your home base gonna be?
Speaker 4: Where you live in while you fly out to Paris
Speaker 4: for the Eiffel Tower dinner?
Speaker 6: Oh I would probably hmm. I would probably set up
Speaker 6: in like cancoon or talloom or something like that. Keep it,
Speaker 6: keep it, keep it real, chill, keep it. What about you, Jason,
Speaker 6: what would you do?
Speaker 2: Wow, That's that's it. I would, you know, I would like,
Speaker 2: I think i'd follow the sun. You know, I'd be like,
Speaker 2: what's the great place to hang out for a season,
Speaker 2: So i' you know, three months of the year in Cancun, Tuloom,
Speaker 2: I think is a great on New Mexico City, three
Speaker 2: months of the year in Hawaii. Yeah, just kind of
Speaker 2: like follow it around. I think that I would set
Speaker 2: up in I don't need the I don't need to
Speaker 2: I get a nice house in all the places, okay,
Speaker 2: And then I would I would have obviously all the
Speaker 2: Hive mind are the greatest musicians of all time. It's
Speaker 2: like you can just have a random.
Speaker 1: But I would, But I would still be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: where's you know, I don't know where's King is?
Speaker 2: King Von still like, who can I get people like
Speaker 2: musicians for the vessels?
Speaker 1: He's still going.
Speaker 2: And I would just have them come out and whatever
Speaker 2: and we talk and they do like stage play and stuff,
Speaker 2: and have comedians come out. And then I would also
Speaker 2: and I'd spend a lot of that time, like digging
Speaker 2: into you know, what's up with what's up with JFK,
Speaker 2: what's up with RFK, what's up with aliens?
Speaker 1: What's up with the lock ness? Big Foot?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: You know like MH three seventy, you know, the whole Epstein.
Speaker 3: Like the whole.
Speaker 1: All the ship. I'd be like, tell me what happened.
Speaker 4: Literally, you would be like the you could become this
Speaker 4: is something I will say different show, but you could
Speaker 4: become essentially like the world's most objective archivist.
Speaker 5: Where you just not you're just like askin. You're like,
Speaker 5: tell me everything, and it's not just archiving it. You're like, hey,
Speaker 5: you know what happened in the government. What do we
Speaker 5: need to know for the next world?
Speaker 1: Like that's a great idea.
Speaker 2: Actually, that's a great idea, and just be like, now
Speaker 2: I have all the shit for you know, hopefully one day,
Speaker 2: Carol or somebody we figure it out and we turn
Speaker 2: it off. We get everything in the most non violent,
Speaker 2: non disruptive way back to normal, and look, I've got.
Speaker 1: All the what do you want to know?
Speaker 3: Let's release it now.
Speaker 2: We can tell everybody now what's going releasing every five
Speaker 2: alien technology since the fifties.
Speaker 6: I need to add to my list because I forgot
Speaker 6: about like all the other like people who would still
Speaker 6: be around. So I'm having Lebron to like teach me
Speaker 6: how to shoot threes. Cocoa golf is my tennis instructor.
Speaker 6: I'm going back to back with Scrillx like on Coachella
Speaker 6: main stage.
Speaker 5: I'm doing all of it.
Speaker 6: I'm doing all of it.
Speaker 4: I do like the idea that like the moment that
Speaker 4: we all become available, like in the Hive Mind, where like, well,
Speaker 4: I mind.
Speaker 5: Already took over everyone, we may as.
Speaker 4: Well use them while they hit, like let me enjoy it,
Speaker 4: like they seem to enjoy it right, Like I'm mine
Speaker 4: Schoolsesey's coming.
Speaker 5: Around to like teach you about how to make a movie.
Speaker 6: Now I'm making him watch all the Marvel movies with me.
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, do you bout it? I don't I
Speaker 1: feel listen.
Speaker 2: I think that there's questions about the ethics of what
Speaker 2: Diabat is doing.
Speaker 1: At the same time he made he makes it.
Speaker 2: Look good, and it's like, you know, when you actually
Speaker 2: talk to the Hive Mind, you're like, I don't know.
Speaker 5: There.
Speaker 1: They make a lot of good points.
Speaker 2: They want to they kind of want to be doing it,
Speaker 2: you know, hey.
Speaker 4: Ben said when he made this show, his basic idea
Speaker 4: was like what if the Hive Mind had a point,
Speaker 4: Like what if you maybe should join the body snatches
Speaker 4: or whatever? You know, So I kind of love that
Speaker 4: on that on that topic, actually this has inspired like one,
Speaker 4: what is the music that you know the Paraguay guy
Speaker 4: was hearing, like that loan radio frequency he can pick up?
Speaker 4: Because I want to know about that. And also the
Speaker 4: other thing that I'm kind of really interested in him
Speaker 4: now is just what is the Hive Mind's ultimate goal
Speaker 4: that's gonna eye feel make us all go, oh, yeah,
Speaker 4: they do have a point, Like are they trying to.
Speaker 5: Save their land? Is I think that?
Speaker 4: Is it gonna go that textual to the point of like, oh,
Speaker 4: Carol really is going against what's best for her and
Speaker 4: best for the planet and best to everyone on it,
Speaker 4: because right now she is already doing that simply by
Speaker 4: the fact that she's putting seven billion people at risk
Speaker 4: if she tries to pursue the what she wants. But
Speaker 4: I'm very interested to see how far Vince goes with
Speaker 4: that kind of like the moralistic aspect of like is
Speaker 4: it better to join the hive mind. I'm guessing that's
Speaker 4: probably a season two question because we've only got a
Speaker 4: couple of episodes left.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Like, what if it's like a global warming or
Speaker 6: like a climate change kind of play rightly, you guys
Speaker 6: are going to burn up all these resources. We know
Speaker 6: how to be more efficient. We can save this dying
Speaker 6: planet kind of thing, and.
Speaker 4: Then we can give everyone their consent back or whatever
Speaker 4: version they flame.
Speaker 2: Interesting, I mean, what if it's literally just to spread,
Speaker 2: Like I don't know that there's necessarily any kind of
Speaker 2: like higher reason maybe than to just keep spreading and going.
Speaker 2: Like when you think about it, it's not like humans
Speaker 2: have any reason to keep going, Like we just at
Speaker 2: like I don't know, make more of us, and that's it.
Speaker 3: It lived comfortably.
Speaker 1: It feels like it. It really might be that simple.
Speaker 2: Like maybe you know, maybe we've we've tossed around the
Speaker 2: idea that maybe they're harnessing the biomass of a planet
Speaker 2: to build something. And I'm sure part of their project
Speaker 2: is going to be building the antenna right to send
Speaker 2: to send the beam ount And it might also be
Speaker 2: that in doing this and infecting a planet this problem
Speaker 2: that they're encountering is probably the same problem that they
Speaker 2: encountered on the last planet, which is feeding everybody, And
Speaker 2: so maybe it's simply build the antenna before we all starve,
Speaker 2: so that you can you know, build literally.
Speaker 6: Oh okay, interesting.
Speaker 5: I like that. Yeah, I'm intrigued. I'm intrigued to see
Speaker 5: where it's going.
Speaker 4: I can't believe we've got more than one show on
Speaker 4: at the moment where I'm just like, where the fuck
Speaker 4: is this going? It's blessing, it's blessing. Any lost big
Speaker 4: plurbus thoughts ian before we leave off one oh six.
Speaker 6: Yeah, just kind of to tie up some of the
Speaker 6: things we touched on already. It's, you know, again, a
Speaker 6: lot of the explanations from the High Mind have been
Speaker 6: very reasonable or made sense, and you know, within the
Speaker 6: logic of the show, and so I'm wondering, like it's
Speaker 6: almost too convenient, too easy, Like they almost have an
Speaker 6: answer for everything, and at a certain point, I feel
Speaker 6: like that's going to set us up for a turn
Speaker 6: or something sinister. And to that point, I feel like
Speaker 6: Diabate is also like a little maybe too trusting of
Speaker 6: everything they're telling him. I know they can't lie, but
Speaker 6: I feel like he's just taking everything at face value,
Speaker 6: and like, I feel like that might end up coming
Speaker 6: back to bite him at some point, you know, because
Speaker 6: I think ultimately Carol is going to have some kind
Speaker 6: of vindication moment where she's gonna be like, see, I
Speaker 6: told you, you know.
Speaker 1: So I didn't want to I did want.
Speaker 6: To wonder about that.
Speaker 1: Who do we think?
Speaker 2: So there's that moment where Diabat is on the phone
Speaker 2: with somebody, yes, and he's like, well, she's so lonely.
Speaker 2: It's clearly somebody is trying to talk him out of
Speaker 2: hanging out with Carol. And again we see this kind
Speaker 2: of interesting and surprising generous side to him where he
Speaker 2: just like actually feels bad for her. Who's he talking
Speaker 2: to another survivor? Zosha hive mind? Like, oh, who do
Speaker 2: we think?
Speaker 6: My two guesses were either like LOCKSHMI or one of
Speaker 6: the other survivors, or or Zosia I think, or like
Speaker 6: some other hive mind person.
Speaker 5: My simple answer is the hive mind because it makes sense.
Speaker 4: My slightly more still simple, but hoping it's a Vince Gilligan.
Speaker 4: I wonder if they're going to bring in with the
Speaker 4: arrival of the Paraguay Man and Carol team up.
Speaker 5: I wonder if they're going to bring in we're learning more.
Speaker 4: About the hierarchy of the survivors as it exists without Carol,
Speaker 4: we didn't know anything about that. I wonder if they're
Speaker 4: going to bring in a survivor who's kind of become
Speaker 4: the boss of the survivors in this ensuing time, because
Speaker 4: that's essentially an entire social structure we know nothing about
Speaker 4: because they've all been in conversation with each other, they've
Speaker 4: been in constant contact, and Carol.
Speaker 5: Has nothing to do with it.
Speaker 4: So it will be really interesting if there's someone who
Speaker 4: comes out as a kind of figurehead against Carol and
Speaker 4: Paraguay guy who's maybe more in on it than them.
Speaker 4: But I feel like, ultimately, especially because some of the
Speaker 4: posters they've been revealing recently, there was a great post
Speaker 4: that they did that was like a painted poster of
Speaker 4: Carol kind of kneeling next to Zosha and a wheelchair
Speaker 4: and stuff. I ultimately think Zosha and Carol that's going
Speaker 4: to be a connection that put she is Carol into
Speaker 4: goodness because I do think she cares about her. So
Speaker 4: my guest says, it's someone else on the phone because
Speaker 4: I don't think Zosha would convince even after what happened
Speaker 4: to I don't think she'd got out of her way
Speaker 4: to try and convince them not to spend time with Carol.
Speaker 4: But yeah, the Dea Barty conversation and Diabartaya's general character
Speaker 4: just such a good subversion of what we expect because
Speaker 4: he is very thoughtful and kind of kind.
Speaker 2: Well, can't wait to keep talking about this show coming
Speaker 2: up next on X Revision.
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