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Speaker 1: two years party Bob and Harriet's home bar in Atlanta. Uh.

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Speaker 1: saying foolish Games. Yeah, it wasn't my best. I don't

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you I like the Foolish Games is my

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Speaker 1: and it's like three drink maximum. Beyond that, just save

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Speaker 1: We'll have karaoke, Yeah, ridic you can have to have

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Speaker 1: with us. Well, that sounds that would be really fun. Well,

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Speaker 1: so glad to have you back from part two. Of course.

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Speaker 1: I am Eli, I'm Diana, and this is you caught

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Speaker 1: us right in the middle of a of an amazing story.

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Speaker 1: Yeah for real, we didn't even know this was going

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Speaker 1: and I am so sorry because we we like to

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Speaker 1: to know, so that we can be like and don't like,

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Speaker 1: hang on two your butts because there's more coming important,

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Speaker 1: you know, But like, we didn't even know that this time,

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Speaker 1: just kept it going. But Part two is going to

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Speaker 1: be awesome because we still have so much to cover

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Speaker 1: about the Purple People cult and don't call them purple

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Speaker 1: those days are behind me. Those days only happened once

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Speaker 1: and it was a great time. You're like that, want

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Speaker 1: But we still have to talk about More University, which

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Speaker 1: There's no match making, a romantic tips. It's just about

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Speaker 1: a production of I Heart Radio. So by nine seventy seven,

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Speaker 1: on lifestyles and sexuality. Can you imagine, Oh, what are

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Speaker 1: you know, right, my doctor, an actual doctor told me

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Speaker 1: So he's saying that everyone, including himself, wants to be

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Speaker 1: they need to uphold it in court either, So it's

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Speaker 1: like nobody really wins these lawsuits or you know, they

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Speaker 1: just kind of fizzle out. I guess yeah, okay, dropped speaking,

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Speaker 1: it dropped. It's been a minute, so I think it's

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Speaker 1: time for us to drop some commercials on you all.

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Speaker 1: But stay tuned because we'll be right back right after

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Speaker 1: this and welcome back to the show, everybody. So in

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Speaker 1: the mid eighties, the US government really wanted to crack

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Speaker 1: down on all the universities and colleges that had started

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Speaker 1: around the nation that weren't really schools. They were just

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Speaker 1: kind of quote unquote diploma mills. Now, some of these schools,

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00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 1: they were real brick and mortar places you could go

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Speaker 1: and you could earned things about herbal medicine or hypnotism.

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00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 1: But you know, they're kind of like out there topics

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Speaker 1: and maybe the information isn't very verified or you know,

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00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,160
Speaker 1: it's a little bit like KG whether or not it's good.

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00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 1: And some of these schools really only had a po box.

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00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,719
Speaker 1: You paid your money and they mailed you a diploma period.

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Speaker 1: You never opened a book or tended a class nothing.

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Speaker 1: So in the government's view, this is unfair to the

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Speaker 1: general public because of course, many of us are trying

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Speaker 1: to pick doctors and nurses and so on, and we

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Speaker 1: don't look at their school. We don't go and research

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Speaker 1: what school they went to. You know, you just see

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00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,919
Speaker 1: a diploma and you're like great, good time. So now

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00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,159
Speaker 1: we can't trust any of the qualifications we're seeing. So

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00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 1: they're like, we really got to crack down on these

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Speaker 1: fake schools. But at the time, they had no existing

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Speaker 1: qualifications for a good college or real college, like, they

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Speaker 1: had nothing for it, so they kind of had to

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Speaker 1: make it up. They had to start creating those qualifications

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Speaker 1: and more. Universe City was a big part of California

456
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 1: figuring out what made a real school. So the evaluator

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00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:09,159
Speaker 1: showed up in and they did not like what they

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00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 1: saw that more. Um, first of all, it was no

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00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:17,120
Speaker 1: required reading whatsoever, no books anywhere. The only library there

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00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 1: is one that is full of hundreds of videotapes of

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Speaker 1: orgasm demonstration. Yeah there were no you just know those

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00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 1: are vhs bad Lightingly well, they have a little they

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Speaker 1: have a state of the art like television studio and

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Speaker 1: this the center of attention is the gynecological table. So

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Speaker 1: that might actually be well, very well lit. I don't know, um,

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Speaker 1: but like they're labeled like Vic's birthday and just yeah, no, nobody,

467
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: it's just a very specialized library old sixty minutes episodes

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Speaker 1: do not watch. There were also no financial records available.

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Speaker 1: When they were like, hey, we want to see like

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Speaker 1: you know, your income, revenue, profit loss, they're like, nope,

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Speaker 1: we don't have none of that. There were no qualifications

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Speaker 1: for the faculty except that they must be more alumni.

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Speaker 1: So the evaluators were like, okay, some of y'all are

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Speaker 1: have your doctorate from more Can we see your thess?

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Speaker 1: You know your dissertations? Like ticket, I thought we were

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Speaker 1: back to the poop thing. Different school like that. That's

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Speaker 1: a real science school. Um now. So they're like, you've

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Speaker 1: got dissertations, surely can we see them? And they gave

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Speaker 1: him a box with eleven inside. Most of them were

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Speaker 1: handwritten and unbound, and one evaluator is quoted in the

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00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 1: University of Sex articles saying one woman wrote that Vic

482
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Speaker 1: had kept a stimulation of a student going for seven

483
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Speaker 1: hours and why couldn't her boyfriend do that? That was

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Speaker 1: her thesis in this I will wonder what the hell's

485
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 1: wrong with my boyfriend's dick. Also, I guess you needs

486
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: to take another class, right, he could be doing me

487
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: like that again. I'm thinking of all the doctors and

488
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 1: my family and the things they had to do to

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Speaker 1: get their dessertation. Months they spent on writing. It was

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Speaker 1: a lot more than like, well, what the hell's wrong

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Speaker 1: with this guy? Well, in nine a guy named Alan

492
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Speaker 1: Steele who was a hypnotherapist from Florida who treats sexual disorders.

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Speaker 1: Which hang on a second, Alan Steele treating sexual disorders,

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00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 1: that's like, go on, that's like Dr Too is your dentists,

495
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 1: or like Dr Stone works on your kidneys. Come on,

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Speaker 1: that's what they call that determinative determinative Nominismah, it's like

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00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: that the Harry Potter nominal determinism. That's what it is. Yeah, yeah,

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00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 1: commanders there, I guess I work with animals exactly, specifically lizards.

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Speaker 1: All right. So Alan Steele wrote a letter to the

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Speaker 1: California Council for Private post Secondary Education about more University,

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00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 1: who he and his wife had paid nearly fifty thousand

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Speaker 1: dollars for graduate courses. He wrote, quote, while I was

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Speaker 1: living on campus, there was encouragement to use illegal drugs,

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Speaker 1: including the availability to purchase illegal drugs. They also engage

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Speaker 1: in prostitution, that is, sex for money, with quotas of conquests, which,

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00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 1: if not met, results in threats of physical violence and exclusion. Yikes.

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Speaker 1: More University responded by filing a hundred and twenty million

508
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Speaker 1: dollar libel lawsuit against Alan Steele, who stood by his accusations.

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Speaker 1: One paper sent an undercover reporter to take some classes there,

510
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Speaker 1: and they reported the teacher quote asking them to strip

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Speaker 1: and you as mirrors to take a visual inventory of

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Speaker 1: their bodies and homework. Questions asked whether they would have

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Speaker 1: sex with men, little people, paraplegics, and animals. Why do

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00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 1: you need to know that? That's? Why is that used?

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00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: Why is that useful? I will say, Alan Steel's prostitution

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Speaker 1: claims seem to be verified by that slave auction, because

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Speaker 1: even if they are fully fine with that and everything,

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00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: that's still sex for money, isn't that. I don't know

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00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 1: about these quotas that he's talking about, but there is

520
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 1: there is that. Yeah, I mean, that's that's that tracks.

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00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 1: I wonder how that hold up in court if you'd

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Speaker 1: be like, well, they were paying me for me to

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00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 1: hang out with them all day. Yeah. The sex courts

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00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: go pretty aggressively after sex workers, so possibly, I don't know,

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00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: but More University maintained its accreditation and it's uneasy truce

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Speaker 1: with the neighbors until the early nineteen nineties when they

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Speaker 1: started using military surplus tense on their Lafayette camp is

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00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: to house the homeless. All these quote unquote unattractive people,

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00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 1: which is pretty rude, made their neighbors furious. They had

530
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: way more complaints, but more University said, according to the

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Speaker 1: University of Sex article quote that it was a witch

532
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 1: hunt caused by the long standing activism of Barnco and

533
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Speaker 1: others on behalf of the homeless. More House attorney Richard

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Speaker 1: Highland pointed out that Barunco was of black and Jewish heritage,

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Speaker 1: and therefore the complaints were based in racism, which the

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Speaker 1: article calls a PC trick, basically the nineties way of

537
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 1: saying the some woke bullshit. Yeah, well know, if his

538
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: race really came into it, right, right, And it's not

539
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 1: like a school that's got it's not like an institution

540
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 1: like this that has a lot of problems can't also

541
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Speaker 1: be trying to do good things for homelessness. It's true,

542
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: you know, like maybe they were. I'm not going to

543
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 1: sit here and say, you know, they put up tents

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Speaker 1: on their property and said you may live here. Uh

545
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Speaker 1: that that was necessarily a bad thing. I just don't

546
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Speaker 1: know if they went to those people in said and

547
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 1: while you're here, you gotta come sixty nine us. Don't

548
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 1: worry you want to you prefer to be a sex slave,

549
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 1: you know. I don't know, again, making wild accusations here

550
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: based on nothing but what they evidends we've been presented.

551
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 1: But I'll say I don't pick up that you do

552
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: any sex if you don't want to write. I don't

553
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: pick that up at all from their vibe. But it

554
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: does get a little like, Okay, well, how impressionable are

555
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: the people you're talking to you? How much are they

556
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 1: willing to subsume their personalities? I mean, it's just like

557
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 1: regular cult stuff is how much is your personality kind

558
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: of taking over my brain right and making me make

559
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 1: decisions that maybe I would not normally make right. I mean,

560
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 1: it's that coercion. It's like I'm not having sex if

561
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: I don't want to. But did I did I want to?

562
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 1: Or did did you make me think that I want to?

563
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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, I don't know, but calling

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00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: more university a diploma mill might not be very fair. Um,

565
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 1: they did operate for about fifteen years, and they only

566
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Speaker 1: ever gave out a total of nine D diplomas in

567
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,800
Speaker 1: its lifetime, So this wasn't like they were just throwing

568
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 1: them out here and there. You really had to do

569
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 1: the coursework whatever that meant. You had to go through

570
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 1: all these different courses and you really had to like

571
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 1: do something. I suppose jimmy your way behind on your

572
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: bathtub masturbation. I'm going to have to give you a D.

573
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 1: I can tell you haven't been masturbating, and by D

574
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:29,800
Speaker 1: I mean dick. I couldn't find the exact date. But

575
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 1: they lost their accreditation sometime in the nineties. Um, so

576
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,879
Speaker 1: they're no longer a university. They're not allowed to give

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Speaker 1: out PhDs anymore. Nobin can be a doctor in in

578
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:45,720
Speaker 1: D a doctor in D. And now their website says quote,

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Speaker 1: we are an intentional community founded in night. Our intention

580
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Speaker 1: is to maximize our potential, both as individuals and as

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Speaker 1: a group, and to have life be as much fun

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Speaker 1: as possible. We consider ourselves social researchers, and we study

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Speaker 1: in the living laboratory of our lives and the lives

584
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Speaker 1: of the students, what reliably works and what doesn't work

585
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: for creating a happy life. We present the findings of

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00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: our lifestyle experiments in the form of courses offered to

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00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 1: the public. And it's not all sex either, Like you know,

588
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: they have the advanced and basic sensuality, but they also

589
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: discuss how to live together harmoniously, whether or not you're

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00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 1: having sex with each other. Um, And they laud their

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00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: quote one no vote rule as basically kind of the

592
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 1: cornerstone of their harmony in the house. So essentially what

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00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 1: happens is if there's like an idea for the whole

594
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 1: community to try, or like something for the house to do,

595
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 1: like probably this military surplus tant thing. They brought it

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Speaker 1: to the community. They had a big meeting, you like,

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00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 1: this is what I want to do. I want to

598
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: house the homeless on the property. Every resident has one

599
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 1: hard veto if anyone votes, know, if anyone uses their veto,

600
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,439
Speaker 1: the whole community backs off the idea. It's ever brought

601
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,800
Speaker 1: up again. Your veto is fine and good, and we

602
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: hear you, and no problem. But because everyone has the

603
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: same veto power and everyone knows that everyone has the

604
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 1: same power, it invites a lot more compromise and discussion,

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00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 1: they say, and so they have had very few no

606
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 1: votes ever cast In one one quote, it was only

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Speaker 1: two in the entire lifetime of the of the Lafayette

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Speaker 1: Morehouse location. And this is a similar rule that they

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00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,320
Speaker 1: teach for polyamorous relationships or as they call it, getting

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00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:38,240
Speaker 1: strange ass Okay, but they're and that kind of reminded

611
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 1: me of how we talked about jealousy, because they're kind

612
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: of like, the goal is that we're all having fun,

613
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 1: right The whole goal is that we're supposed to be

614
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: having fun right now. If one person isn't having fun,

615
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 1: none of us are having fun because our whole goal

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Speaker 1: is for everyone to have fun. So if you're not

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00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: into it, all you have to do is say no,

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00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 1: no problem. The issue is dropped. And that's why I

619
00:36:57,719 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: kind of get the feeling that there's not a lot

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Speaker 1: of coercion in the sex department, Like once you get

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00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 1: as far as you're willing to go there, they seem

622
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: to be pretty willing to be like, that's as far

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00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: as they want to go. That's that's hopefully very true.

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00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: I'll throw it because I'm I've been getting more and

625
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,280
Speaker 1: more cynical as as we've been going more into the story.

626
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 1: And I wonder, though I'm thinking about this, everyone gets one,

627
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: you get one, Vito, And I also wonder if that's

628
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:25,359
Speaker 1: not a way to sort of curb dissent because you're like, well,

629
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Speaker 1: anytime you want, you can use your veto and you're thinking, well,

630
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: I only have one, so I don't like this thing,

631
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 1: but I'm not gonna use my one viteo because what

632
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 1: if later something comes up, like like, let's translate it

633
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 1: to the polyamory thing, just for a smaller example. Like

634
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 1: let's say let's say you and I are like, well,

635
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,479
Speaker 1: we're gonna start being polyamorous, but we each get one

636
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: veto to say if there's a partner here, we can

637
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: say we don't like them. You know, I know you

638
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:55,839
Speaker 1: all are having fun, but I'm not kick them out.

639
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 1: But somebody might come in who I'm like okay with

640
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:00,800
Speaker 1: but not really actually happy with. But I'm like, I

641
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 1: don't want to use my one veto now because what

642
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 1: if the next person sucks worth? So I just kind

643
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: of live in this sort of like sort of deal

644
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: with it. Plays I don't know that is something I

645
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: wanted some clarification on that I never found. Was you

646
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: get one no vote like per meeting or is it

647
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 1: one in your life. That's what I wasn't entirely sure about. Yeah,

648
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,839
Speaker 1: I mean it sounds to me again I'm extrapolighting here,

649
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 1: but it seems like if this is all about every

650
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 1: you know, the whole town, and it's all about every

651
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 1: you know, decision we make together, you'd think it'd just

652
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,919
Speaker 1: be one per person, because if everybody had one every meeting,

653
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 1: you'd never get anything done. It's very true, So you're

654
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: probably right. It could go either way. I mean, it's

655
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 1: it's just another thing that is either exploitable or utopia.

656
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think it's it's so individualistic, like

657
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: it just depends like are you a strong minded person?

658
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,399
Speaker 1: Do you really know what you want? Can you be led?

659
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 1: How much can you be led? I mean again, it's

660
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 1: that coercion thing, like where do you know that you're

661
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 1: into it? And where do you know you've been manipulated up?

662
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 1: Because at the end of the day, we're just you know,

663
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 1: a bunch of walking tissues with a big slab of

664
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 1: fat and electricity in our heads. That's hallucinating everything that

665
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 1: we see, and we're trying to make like societal rules

666
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 1: about things where we should be like, you know, eating

667
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 1: figs off the tree, sleeping in a cave at nights,

668
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 1: and you know we should be sleeping in the heat

669
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 1: of the day. It's probably better, see right here, a

670
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 1: dumb idea and then a slightly better idea. All right.

671
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: So Victor Barronco died in two thousand two, and since

672
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,800
Speaker 1: then Cindy Barronco has carried on his work as the

673
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 1: leader of the Lafayette Morehouse Communes. Now their daughter together

674
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: Sugar and Goes Baranco, such a hippie kid's name. She

675
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 1: teaches several of these courses, including the Man Woman Conversation

676
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: on Gender. That course used to be taught by Victor,

677
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 1: where he would talk about the different languages people speak man.

678
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 1: You know, I'm speaking man ease and your speaking woman ease,

679
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 1: which is all kinds of I don't we don't even

680
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 1: need to get into I don't. I don't need to

681
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 1: tell you how many problems there are with that. Of course,

682
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 1: he said, one of these languages, and I'll let you

683
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:26,240
Speaker 1: guess which one is the voice of reason and logic,

684
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: and the other is emotional. This is such a brand

685
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: new thinking right. In his view, women were meant to

686
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,320
Speaker 1: direct the man and the man was meant to provide

687
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,800
Speaker 1: the power, which is, I will say, is not a

688
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 1: bad dynamic in a two person relationship. But to say

689
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 1: that it's already established which gender does which now, it

690
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 1: actually makes me think of my big fat Greek wedding

691
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 1: where she's always she goes to her mom and she's like,

692
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 1: Dad's always saying I'm the head of the family. I'm

693
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 1: the head of the family, and her mom's like, sure,

694
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 1: the man's the head of the family, but the woman

695
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,800
Speaker 1: is and neck and she can turn the head any

696
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 1: way she wants. That's it's like a similar vibe to me.

697
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 1: Still very gendered expectations and pressures. Yeah, and all of

698
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,359
Speaker 1: this is extremely gendered and very heteronormative. I would say,

699
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 1: I I don't see anything about gay relationships in there

700
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: or anything like that. I'm sure they have them, because

701
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: they did talk a little bit about Susie maybe being

702
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 1: a like a stimulator and show like maybe perhaps being

703
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,839
Speaker 1: someone who who did the stimulation of a woman who

704
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 1: was demonstrating the three hours or whatever. Um. I did

705
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 1: not find that in enough places to feel that it

706
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,879
Speaker 1: was verified, So I don't know. And I know there's

707
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 1: some threesomes there and stuff, but there's just not a

708
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 1: lot of like these are two men who are very

709
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 1: happy here. These are two women here, you know, like

710
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:51,359
Speaker 1: non binary dad even there exactly. So I'm like, man,

711
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: I don't know exactly how they feel about the gender

712
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,800
Speaker 1: conversation these days. Yeah, because going back to this class,

713
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 1: Victor is quoted as saying, it's like at the woman

714
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: is the steerer and the man's the motor. And once

715
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 1: you can relax men and settle down into slavery in

716
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 1: the motor room, what a gas. They take care of you, sexually,

717
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 1: feed you and clothe you. They take care of all

718
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 1: your creature comforts, and all you gotta do is shovel cold.

719
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: And then he sums it all up saying, quote, if

720
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: you flash that you're a man, just look and see

721
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:33,360
Speaker 1: what you're doing. And that's what a man should be doing,

722
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 1: and the same for a woman. You don't have to

723
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 1: do nothing. Just be old you, and that's steering, and

724
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 1: he'll be old him, and that's the motor. And the

725
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 1: more you be you, the more he'll be him. So

726
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:53,280
Speaker 1: this is sometimes when I'm trying to transcribe these quotes.

727
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,800
Speaker 1: I was like, they're definitely on drugs, right, because like

728
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 1: sometimes he just goes off on like a whole other

729
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: thing and like, wait, you're a minute ago you talking

730
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 1: about Cindy, and now you're always here talking on something else. Well,

731
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 1: and there's something there's some disconnect there between men are

732
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 1: like this and women are like that, and that's how

733
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 1: the function of the relationship is. But whatever you're doing

734
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 1: is what you should be doing. You could just be

735
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 1: you and that's the thing you should be doing. I'm like,

736
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:25,839
Speaker 1: I I'm like half on board with you, but half not. Yeah,

737
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:29,800
Speaker 1: you know, it's just that sort of style of speak

738
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 1: where it's sort of left open to manipulation. Like there's

739
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 1: almost a way that it's like, yeah, if I word

740
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 1: it like this, I can kind of make it mean

741
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 1: that you should sixty nine me later or that you

742
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 1: should make me cookies later, like either one. I can

743
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: make it work or whatever. I will say that I

744
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:50,839
Speaker 1: do like that. He says, if you flash that you're

745
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 1: a man, because that's kind of like and and Sugar

746
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 1: in the video about the gender Conversation on their website,

747
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 1: she says, if you're a person who identifies as a man.

748
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 1: So I'm like, maybe they do, or like, if you're

749
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 1: trans man, then your man's fine with us. We don't care,

750
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 1: you know, I just I just don't know because they

751
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 1: don't have a lot of conversation that. Okay, So are

752
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 1: they a cult? That's the big question, right Well, we

753
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:21,879
Speaker 1: are going to take a quick commercial break and then

754
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 1: come back and try to answer that for you. We'll

755
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 1: have a definitive answer three minutes right back. Welcome back

756
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 1: to the show, And we are trying to figure out

757
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 1: if Lafayette More House is a cult. Let's let's let's

758
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: answer it once and for all, because most of their

759
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:47,240
Speaker 1: libel suits arose from newspapers calling them a sex cult,

760
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 1: and they feel like they are not a cult, and

761
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 1: in many ways they kind of aren't, because you know,

762
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: in a regular cult, it's this one dominant leader, every charismatic,

763
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: everybody is obsessed that they kind of got that going um.

764
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: But you're usually encouraged to cut off all your family

765
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: and friends. You're supposed to either leave behind all your

766
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: physical possessions or bring them and all your money to

767
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 1: and give them to the cult um. And then of

768
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 1: course you can't leave the grounds for any reason. The

769
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 1: whole point of the cult is that you now live

770
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 1: in this little bubble and you never leave. But at

771
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 1: Lafayette More House you can leave whenever you want. Many

772
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 1: people work outside of the house, a lot of people

773
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: live off campus. They don't live in the house. Um.

774
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 1: They have families outside of the house and everything. So

775
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:37,439
Speaker 1: there's nother that cut off kind of from your whole

776
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,280
Speaker 1: family and friends thing. But of course there's some definitely

777
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 1: questionable culti type things about them that we've already kind

778
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,879
Speaker 1: of talked about. Those allegations, for one, are a little

779
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 1: bit creepy. What's going on with the kids, I don't know,

780
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 1: you know, stuff like that. Um. But also some of

781
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 1: the way they talk about how it works for these evaluates,

782
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 1: these newbies is a little bit hazy and culti in.

783
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:05,359
Speaker 1: Sergeant Bill co Ken Brown is quoted as saying, when

784
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 1: people move in as a value, it's we push them,

785
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: treat them like victims. Say, you're working in the kitchen

786
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 1: heart all day, doing your best, and you get to

787
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 1: the point where you don't think you can do anymore.

788
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,479
Speaker 1: That's when we tell them to drive to San Jose

789
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 1: to get us a taco and To top it off,

790
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: we don't give them money for gas. We prove to

791
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 1: people that they can do more than they thought they could,

792
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 1: so they can feel like heroes. Is that what they

793
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: feel like or do they feel like they have to right?

794
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 1: And I don't know how far away Stan Jose is

795
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 1: from Lafayette, but probably a far it's a drive, I

796
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,479
Speaker 1: can tell you that to drive now. Victor also taught

797
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 1: similar lessons using a hamburger as an analogy. Alright, so

798
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,959
Speaker 1: his his analogy is if your wife worked really hard

799
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 1: to make you a hamburger and it has everything on

800
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,800
Speaker 1: it but the ketchup you asked for, and there's no

801
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: ketchup in the house, and all the stores are closed. Quote,

802
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 1: if you eat that hamburger, you lose. You'll spend the

803
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 1: rest of your life eating garbage. You've got to demand

804
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 1: catch up on that hamburger, or you're cheating yourself and

805
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 1: her too. Anytime. I'm willing to have us lose, because

806
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 1: if you're inadequacy or mine, we both lose. I have

807
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:23,959
Speaker 1: so many problems with this. I do too. Right away.

808
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 1: There's no ketchup in the house, and there's stores are

809
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:29,399
Speaker 1: all closed. So are you just not going to eat

810
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 1: is not not more of a loss? What what do

811
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:34,919
Speaker 1: you mean? I don't know it has I'll talk about

812
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:37,839
Speaker 1: two sides of it. On one side that I I'll

813
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: say what I like. I like this idea that there's

814
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:46,879
Speaker 1: something you want you shouldn't necessarily settle for less. Right, Sure,

815
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 1: it seems like there's no way to get it, but

816
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 1: maybe there is. Have you really exhausted all your options?

817
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,720
Speaker 1: You know, maybe there's some other way to make this happen.

818
00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 1: And I I'm initially really turned off by this idea

819
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 1: of like, and she loses to like. If I don't

820
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 1: get what I want, then it's then you're also losing out.

821
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 1: But if I'm out and like you asked me to

822
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:12,320
Speaker 1: bring you a hamburger and a milkshake, and I forget

823
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 1: the milkshake and you and I get home, you know,

824
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 1: even if you're just like totally cool with it, which

825
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 1: you would be, I would never send you out back

826
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: out for a milkshake. Right, Um, I I still feel bad.

827
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 1: I still feel like I didn't do what I wanted

828
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 1: to do, which was to get you what you wanted.

829
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 1: So I do kind of lose in that scenario. Right,

830
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 1: You feel like you failed right away, right, so I

831
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 1: can lose I can pull out a good version of this,

832
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 1: But it also reeks to me of sort of like

833
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:41,959
Speaker 1: this like beta conversation, Like if you settle for less

834
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,359
Speaker 1: than what you demand, then you're losing out. Then you're

835
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 1: not You're going to eat ship your whole life because

836
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 1: you didn't get catch up on this burger. And I'm like,

837
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 1: life is full of compromise, and that's how you get ahead.

838
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 1: You know, if you sit there and don't eat because

839
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:58,839
Speaker 1: you didn't get gotta jump on burger, not only are

840
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 1: you a toddler throwing fit, but also now you're hungry.

841
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 1: How well are you functioning at this point? That feels

842
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:07,439
Speaker 1: like more of a loss than me that you didn't

843
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 1: eat the food at all, even though everything you wanted

844
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 1: but the one thing. And then now you think too,

845
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 1: Oh later, I'll buy the ketchup or whatever so that

846
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 1: I'll have what I want, and then I'll have what

847
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 1: I want in the future. What a lesson I've learned, Right,

848
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 1: You got to learn from mistakes they happen. Well, except

849
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 1: no mistakes, everything exactly perfect. That's what I'm challenging is

850
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 1: this idea that there are there are definitely mistakes. There

851
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 1: have been mistakes all through the evolution of us as

852
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:38,959
Speaker 1: a species. When somebody when one guy in a camp

853
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 1: was like, oh, let me eat these berries and then died. O,

854
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:44,839
Speaker 1: the guy next him was like, I'm not gonna eat

855
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 1: those berries. That's for sure that mistake. You know. The

856
00:49:49,719 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 1: dead guy isn't like no mistakes, alright, yeah, no, no regrets, regrets. Um.

857
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 1: They also at Morehouse have a philosophy that all words

858
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 1: are good, or that if you use a word, it

859
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 1: loses its power. So in the nineteen seventy one article

860
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 1: they use some racial slurs that I will not repeat um,

861
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: specifically about black people. You can guess what they are,

862
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 1: I'm sure, but don't say im. And they also call

863
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 1: there's like a story about a guy who comes in

864
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 1: and he's missing too. He had two fingers amputated, and

865
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 1: he felt real uncomfortable, so he had his fist curled

866
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 1: up like he was hiding his hands away, and VIC

867
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 1: was like, hey, stubs. You know it made everyone real

868
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 1: uncomfortable because he was like, had said the unstayable, but

869
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 1: because he said it, the word was robbed of its power,

870
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 1: and the guy was able to uncurl his fist and

871
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:47,800
Speaker 1: he was able to just be himself. But I'm like,

872
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 1: he's in his room later that night. I don't know.

873
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:55,720
Speaker 1: I know some people who do feel that way about words,

874
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:58,799
Speaker 1: and we talk a lot about reclaiming words all the time,

875
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 1: so there's something to that. But again, it as as

876
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 1: it's a majority white people talking, it feels very weird

877
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,320
Speaker 1: for them to be using racial slurs and again a

878
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 1: majority able bodied people as well, saying crazy shit. I'm like, well, then,

879
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 1: what did Stubbs get to say to you, Vick? Did

880
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 1: he call you names? Like? Did he get to give

881
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 1: it back? I don't know. It doesn't tell you, but anyway,

882
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 1: I don't love that it feels abusive. And then be like, oh, well,

883
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 1: you're the one giving the word power. Um, so you're

884
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 1: the one abusing yourself. I'm not abusing you. You're abusing you.

885
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 1: And if you feel victimized, that's on here. Yeah, you know,

886
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 1: and that they may have even convinced themselves of this,

887
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, it's I have

888
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:44,959
Speaker 1: found a way to believe that I can do whatever

889
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:49,240
Speaker 1: I want, right, you know, I've I've I've I've written logic,

890
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 1: which is very easy to write, logic. You could write

891
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:54,399
Speaker 1: logic about all kinds of things. You can explain away

892
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:59,319
Speaker 1: everything in a very meaningful sounding way. Um, but it's

893
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 1: still using logic to allow yourself to have no consequences

894
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:04,919
Speaker 1: for your actions and to be able to do whatever

895
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 1: you feel like doing, which they've literally said as their philosophy.

896
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:12,360
Speaker 1: So yeah, can you use your hard no on that?

897
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:14,839
Speaker 1: Can you be like, hey, my veto is you can't

898
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:17,399
Speaker 1: call me the N word? How about that? But there

899
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:19,439
Speaker 1: you go? Would you use it for that? Or would

900
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 1: you be like, oh God, if they're doing this, they're

901
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:22,840
Speaker 1: gonna do something worse later, So I better let this

902
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 1: slide and can and hold onto my no. That's the

903
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 1: kind of thing where I'm like, I don't know about

904
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 1: this one no veto power. That feels like another system

905
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 1: of control to me. Sure I gotta stay my one

906
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 1: no for that slave auction they're going to try to, right,

907
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:40,800
Speaker 1: I don't know, Well, I don't know. So Marco Bennetto

908
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:43,320
Speaker 1: thinks that while a lot of Victor's behavior at the

909
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 1: time wouldn't fly today, it still doesn't count as a cult.

910
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:50,800
Speaker 1: He writes, quote, they were hedonists, and they sought mostly

911
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 1: to have a good time in their little world. Their

912
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:56,319
Speaker 1: principal interest wasn't having better sex. They didn't even care

913
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 1: much for making money. They only taught and recruited to

914
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 1: the extent to fund the party, which they hoped they

915
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 1: could return to as soon as possible, And indeed, all

916
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:08,280
Speaker 1: their courses are designed to be some kind of party.

917
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 1: Vic's most famous saying is enlightenment is when you realize

918
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 1: that what was planned was a party. I mean, sure, sure, yeah.

919
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:23,799
Speaker 1: I pushed back a little on the idea that they

920
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:26,720
Speaker 1: did not care about money, because they literally, like according

921
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 1: to tax records, had millions and millions of dollars at

922
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 1: least at one point. I don't know what they're like today,

923
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 1: but with all the property they had, all the all

924
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 1: the rental fees to live there, all the course fees,

925
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 1: they had quite a lot of money. And I don't

926
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 1: think they did not care about that money. It's so split.

927
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 1: This is one of those like the first half of

928
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 1: this episode, I was like, cool, these guys sound great,

929
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:51,319
Speaker 1: and then you get more into it, and again, maybe

930
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 1: it's the hit piece, maybe it's maybe it's you know, journalists,

931
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 1: journalists actively going out to make this place sound as

932
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 1: crazy as they can and works. That's very good. I

933
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 1: might be having my opinions manipulated right now, but um,

934
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:10,919
Speaker 1: the history of any other times something like this comes

935
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 1: up and turns out to be a little shady, even Oneida,

936
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:16,359
Speaker 1: which sounded great, but then there is like a lot

937
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 1: of really uncomfortable um eugenics going on and telling you

938
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:22,800
Speaker 1: who you can and can't have sex with and stuff

939
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 1: like that. Like you know, it feels very hard to trust,

940
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:29,919
Speaker 1: I think, is where I'm coming from here. And while

941
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 1: I really do think that there's some decent foundations for

942
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:37,759
Speaker 1: some philosophies and and ways to live your life in

943
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:41,279
Speaker 1: some of the stuff Victor was saying, Um, I am

944
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 1: concerned about maybe how those philosophies were used to you

945
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 1: just manipulate people in some way. And like it must

946
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 1: be said again that no one has come out in

947
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:56,320
Speaker 1: the many years since that article came out, or or

948
00:54:56,440 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 1: Alan Steel's ninety for whatever letter that he sent, nothing nothing,

949
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 1: So maybe most people are very happy there. Maybe it's

950
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 1: just fine, maybe they totally get it in which maybe

951
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:13,320
Speaker 1: the LSD really I don't know, but like and I

952
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 1: don't even know if that's involved anymore. Do LSD like

953
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 1: the But I mean If that's the case, then sent

954
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:24,359
Speaker 1: me a pamphlet. You know, I would love to hear

955
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 1: from someone who's been who was involved in like kind

956
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 1: of a grade. Oh my god. If you are a

957
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:32,280
Speaker 1: purple person and don't like us calling you that, please

958
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 1: write to us. Let us know, because I would bring

959
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 1: you on the show. You know, let's talk. I did

960
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:40,839
Speaker 1: find the Atlanta location. Maybe that when I go knock

961
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:44,919
Speaker 1: on the door. Maybe I don't know, um, but yeah,

962
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 1: it's very interesting. I've been, like I said, I've been

963
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 1: very cynical in this episode and said some accusatory things,

964
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 1: some of which I stand by. Um, but I'm also

965
00:55:57,320 --> 00:55:59,840
Speaker 1: very just like how a lot of it is just

966
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 1: can you know, how can you know? You know, I'm

967
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 1: very uncomfortable, very individual life stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And

968
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:09,320
Speaker 1: you know, some of the allegations we talked about no

969
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:13,880
Speaker 1: follow up, no arrests, no nothing, so who knows if

970
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 1: they were real. And it's true that, you know, alternative

971
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 1: lifestyles do welcome a lot of hatred without any reason.

972
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:23,440
Speaker 1: You know, they're just like I see people free and happy,

973
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:25,759
Speaker 1: live in their lives, having a great time over there

974
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 1: in that purple house, and I'm really miserable at my

975
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 1: stupid job, and you shouldn't be happy. I'm gonna say

976
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 1: that you didn't fucked up ships so that people are

977
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 1: mad at you too, and now they all hate you.

978
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:39,760
Speaker 1: I think that does happen with no grounds whatsoever. Definitely,

979
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 1: But you know, it is weird when there's all these

980
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 1: little whispers, you know. And I will say too that

981
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 1: after Vic died, I feel like no has been zero

982
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:50,799
Speaker 1: controversy since the two thousand's when he died in two

983
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:53,400
Speaker 1: thousand two. So I'm like it could be that his

984
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 1: personality was just a little too much um or he

985
00:56:57,160 --> 00:56:59,720
Speaker 1: was just so libelous that he was like always starting

986
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:03,319
Speaker 1: starn a lawsuit over some ship and Cindy's like, I'll

987
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 1: let it slide, and so they're just not in the

988
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 1: headlines or something. But there hasn't been much since he

989
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:12,840
Speaker 1: passed that that seems to like nothing seems to be

990
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 1: going on these days. I mean, going back to some

991
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 1: of the stuff we talked about earlier about like you know,

992
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 1: did they pay off authorities and mafia and stuff like that,

993
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 1: like that that does take a lot to be able

994
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 1: to cover up of that scale is something I think

995
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 1: we often fall into this belief that like it's so

996
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 1: easy to have a conspiracy and a big cover up

997
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 1: and all this stuff, but it's it's hard to do.

998
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 1: And and I don't think that this group is like

999
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 1: as big as Scientology or something like that, which which

1000
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 1: you know, which they might have the more of the resources.

1001
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 1: Uh if if something like that, we're going on to

1002
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 1: cover it up, or any or the Catholics or any

1003
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 1: any sort of big, huge organization that with a lot

1004
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 1: of money, you know, these guys seem a bit more

1005
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:01,920
Speaker 1: what mom and pop. I don't know, but big I

1006
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 1: think I saw somewhere it was like between sixty fifty

1007
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 1: members at any time. It's, yeah, it's not huge. And

1008
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 1: then when they were a university, it was like thousands

1009
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 1: of people had come and taken a course or two,

1010
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:19,439
Speaker 1: you know, so not not Scientology. Definitely not so hard

1011
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 1: to say that they would be covering up things that

1012
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 1: are still going on there. And I was going to

1013
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 1: say it was the kind of thing that I feel

1014
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 1: like in a more modern world, if they were continuing

1015
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 1: this decades and decades later, I would imagine that leadership

1016
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 1: eventually became people who were truly devoted to these this

1017
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 1: better way of life that they really believed in, or

1018
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:46,680
Speaker 1: they were truly devoted into making the money off of

1019
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 1: it and kind of turning in into a a profit scam.

1020
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 1: It could go either way. My other question was, is

1021
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 1: it gendered in a way where a man's in charge

1022
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 1: so people are very like, oh, he's probably getting laid

1023
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:03,400
Speaker 1: raw long, and he's using people, he's manipulating people. And

1024
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 1: then once a woman was in charge, it was like,

1025
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:08,920
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's fine, which is not necessarily true. I'm

1026
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 1: just saying it's like their man woman gender of course,

1027
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 1: is all about how society gives you an idea of

1028
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 1: what a man and a woman is supposed to be,

1029
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:21,480
Speaker 1: and then you lock that in and it changes everything

1030
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 1: and you you should be able to funk with that

1031
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 1: or use it to your advantage. Is kind of their idea.

1032
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 1: So anyway, I just wondered, I was like, once it

1033
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 1: was a woman in charge, I wonder if people just

1034
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:33,720
Speaker 1: stopped looking, if there might still be stuff there, but

1035
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 1: they're just not looking because they're like, women don't do that,

1036
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 1: even though women do. I don't know. Again, speculations now

1037
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:43,440
Speaker 1: they might have inspired a cult because there was a

1038
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 1: group called One Taste that focused on meditative orgasms for women.

1039
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 1: It was very much about women figuring out how to

1040
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 1: make their orgasms more intense. And the woman who ran

1041
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 1: that did use a lot of victors techniques and teachings

1042
00:59:57,880 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, and her she took all the

1043
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 1: courses and then used it and her one taste thing.

1044
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 1: But they were way more monetarily exploitative, incredibly coercive. They

1045
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:11,560
Speaker 1: were actually subject of an FBI investigation. They were subsequently

1046
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 1: shut down, even though there's still some centers that sort

1047
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:19,520
Speaker 1: of independently operate. Um, so they might have inspired a cults.

1048
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 1: And I guess that sort of takes away my gender

1049
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:22,920
Speaker 1: thing because she was in charge of that, and they

1050
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 1: definitely got looked at. So there you go. Women can

1051
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:29,240
Speaker 1: be cult leaders too. Yeah, ladies, we can do it too.

1052
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 1: And I will say too in case you're wondering, Um,

1053
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:40,080
Speaker 1: you know, not everybody at more Houses polyamorous. They don't

1054
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:43,680
Speaker 1: all just be piled up on each other. Uh. There

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Speaker 1: are definitely many orgies at more Houses. Apparently they really

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Speaker 1: know how to party. It's how one guy put it.

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Speaker 1: Just waiting for the pamphlet right any day now. But some, uh,

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Speaker 1: some are polyamorous. Many are monogamous and some are actually celibate,

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Speaker 1: So you know there's a there's a variety of sexual

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Speaker 1: experience happening at your house. Interesting, What a subject, What

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Speaker 1: a bizarre thing to look into. I still don't know

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Speaker 1: how to feel, To be perfectly frank with you, I

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Speaker 1: think there's a lot of things in it that I'm

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Speaker 1: like totally, I agree, I agree, I don't like that,

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Speaker 1: I love that, I don't like that like. I think

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Speaker 1: that we will probably have an easier time forming our

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Speaker 1: opinion when the libel lawsuit shows up in the then

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Speaker 1: we'll be real quick. We'll have a whole second, very

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Speaker 1: brief episode. We're actually they're great. Turns out they're awesome.

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Speaker 1: Nothing wrong, Sorry about everything we said, not taking the

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Speaker 1: episode down, but will add just downloads, tell your friends sunk.

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Speaker 1: Actually it sounds like great publicity for us. True, Actually

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Speaker 1: go ahead and file libels not so fast. Well, thank

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Speaker 1: you to Sean again for this suggestion, because it is

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Speaker 1: a very interesting one to look into. For shure, this

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01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:06,479
Speaker 1: is what this show is all about. And I'm dying

1077
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Speaker 1: to hear what y'all think. I mean? Is this a

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Speaker 1: cult to you? Do you feel like it's sucked? Up,

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01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:13,480
Speaker 1: is it cool? How have you done it? I mean,

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Speaker 1: especially if you know anyone or I've been there or

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01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:21,439
Speaker 1: anything and you have some on the ground, hands on experience,

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01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 1: Please tell us what you're felt like it was about,

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01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:30,040
Speaker 1: or anything we missed or fucked up about this or misrepresented.

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01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:32,360
Speaker 1: I want to know. My dream is that a Purple

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01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:36,120
Speaker 1: People leader shows up at the house tomorrow and grants

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01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 1: me a rock and roll wish. Cool, a rock and

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01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:43,960
Speaker 1: roll wish that They're like, we don't do that. You're

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01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:47,120
Speaker 1: supposed to want things that you already have. I'm back

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01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:49,680
Speaker 1: in the eighties movie guys. Sorry, I lost interest in

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01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:53,600
Speaker 1: the sex cult the first time you ever said that

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Speaker 1: in your lifetime. No, So reach out with your impressions

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01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 1: about the Purple People and the Purple Palace or the

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Speaker 1: Fuck University or whatever you wanna call it. We are

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Speaker 1: Ridic Romance at gmail dot com, that's right, or you

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01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 1: can find us on Twitter and Instagram. I'm at Oh great,

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Speaker 1: it's Eli, and I'm Diana Mite Boom and the show

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Speaker 1: is at ridic Romance and we can't wait to hear

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Speaker 1: from you. As always. Thanks again to Sean, and thank

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Speaker 1: you for being here and spending your time with us.

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Speaker 1: We will see you next time. So long friends, it

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Speaker 1: is time to go. Thanks so listening to our show.

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Speaker 1: Tell your friends name's uncles in dance To listen to

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Speaker 1: our show Ridiculous Roll Dance