WEBVTT - The Ripple Effect with Deepak Chopra 0:00:01.920 --> 0:00:07.080 Wine down with Jane Kramer and I heard radio podcast. Oh, 0:00:07.160 --> 0:00:11.080 I didn't mean to hurt Mark's feelings. Mark, How did 0:00:11.119 --> 0:00:13.640 I hurt your feelings? I got a text from Easton 0:00:13.760 --> 0:00:16.279 saying are you coming on a wine down? And I said, no, 0:00:16.520 --> 0:00:18.759 you know I can't. I was with with Mr Seacrest, 0:00:19.280 --> 0:00:29.200 Ryan Seacrest always always well we can negotiate that everything. No, no, no, yeah, 0:00:29.240 --> 0:00:31.480 there's no, there's no way there. Okay. But Easton said, 0:00:31.560 --> 0:00:34.080 Jane is actually happy you're not on because Ian's on, 0:00:34.280 --> 0:00:38.080 and she says she's not ready for you the first time. 0:00:39.720 --> 0:00:42.440 Maybe next time I can have a few moments with you. 0:00:43.440 --> 0:00:47.480 That's fair here, It's like you're my dad, Well let's 0:00:47.479 --> 0:00:49.600 give it some time. Protective of you. So yes, I 0:00:49.640 --> 0:00:51.239 asked him questions for him. I need to know his 0:00:51.280 --> 0:00:53.760 intentions and didn't even know that he is a good person. 0:00:54.600 --> 0:00:57.840 That's Funny's I mean that was literally like my dad 0:00:57.880 --> 0:01:00.360 because the other day I was on the I do 0:01:00.440 --> 0:01:03.720 my like FaceTime calls when I'm on the treadmill, and 0:01:03.760 --> 0:01:06.480 so I'll call my dad then and my mom and 0:01:06.520 --> 0:01:08.759 whoever else I haven't talked to in a while, and 0:01:09.680 --> 0:01:11.240 and my Dad's like I would like to have some 0:01:11.400 --> 0:01:13.720 time to sit down with your boyfriend since I don't 0:01:13.760 --> 0:01:15.480 know him. And I was just like, well, I mean 0:01:15.560 --> 0:01:17.319 then whenever you want to come to Nashville, like let 0:01:17.360 --> 0:01:20.640 me know, you know. So it's like, it's just that 0:01:21.280 --> 0:01:24.840 make you nervous. It doesn't take you back to like, 0:01:25.120 --> 0:01:27.319 you know, high school or bringing home a guy for 0:01:27.360 --> 0:01:31.600 the first time. No, I don't think my dad cared. Okay, yeah, 0:01:31.840 --> 0:01:35.039 like there was one time that he was like he 0:01:35.120 --> 0:01:38.319 told uh no, Brian Barnes, that was my first date. 0:01:38.560 --> 0:01:41.240 That were that there's T and T in the car, 0:01:41.400 --> 0:01:46.120 drive like there's T and T in the car like explosive, 0:01:46.520 --> 0:01:52.840 And I remember being like, okay, Dad, So that doesn't 0:01:52.840 --> 0:01:57.320 sound very protective. But he's not that He's not gonna 0:01:57.320 --> 0:01:59.680 interrogate a boyfriend. He's not going to make it uncomfortable 0:01:59.680 --> 0:02:01.480 for you and that sort of No, he just would 0:02:01.600 --> 0:02:04.720 will ask like, you know, questions. But I don't think 0:02:05.720 --> 0:02:08.920 I mean, I mean I know that you would be 0:02:08.960 --> 0:02:11.240 I think I know you would like Ian once if 0:02:11.240 --> 0:02:12.600 you like sat down with him, But I don't know 0:02:12.639 --> 0:02:15.760 if podcasting say thing. You know, he's a little he's 0:02:15.760 --> 0:02:18.119 a little shy. But I found that endearing. I thought 0:02:18.120 --> 0:02:20.280 his shyness was endearing, and that came across on the 0:02:20.280 --> 0:02:22.000 podcast that he was just out of his element, and 0:02:22.040 --> 0:02:24.280 I thought that was sweet. Yeah, he's just this is 0:02:24.320 --> 0:02:26.519 just like not his thing, and that he would do 0:02:26.600 --> 0:02:29.440 it for you. It was well, he love he once 0:02:29.440 --> 0:02:31.359 he knew that Andrew and Seawan were coming on because 0:02:31.360 --> 0:02:33.440 they're obviously all friends, Like he was pumped about it, 0:02:33.440 --> 0:02:35.920 but I don't think like and I think that's cool, 0:02:35.919 --> 0:02:39.400 Like I like that we have different interests and I'm like, 0:02:39.639 --> 0:02:41.760 I'm like, no pressure, like you don't have to, but 0:02:43.200 --> 0:02:47.040 well I can. I could hear his nervousness because I'm 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:48.960 not sure what he was doing exactly. But when I 0:02:49.000 --> 0:02:51.120 was listening back to the episode and editing it, I 0:02:51.120 --> 0:02:52.359 had to do a lot of effort because he was 0:02:52.400 --> 0:02:55.920 doing like a he was something to the microphone that 0:02:55.960 --> 0:02:58.880 I had to remove the entire episode. He was doing 0:02:58.919 --> 0:03:03.320 something with his finger own. But that was kind of sweet. 0:03:03.440 --> 0:03:05.680 We probably should have given him this one. Yeah, probably 0:03:05.760 --> 0:03:08.120 easier because he had the handheld and it was all like, 0:03:08.160 --> 0:03:11.040 I've never had a microphone. It's like here, here was 0:03:11.040 --> 0:03:14.840 a microphone. That's kind of that was that was mean, 0:03:15.360 --> 0:03:17.840 but I mean, you know, it's okay. I like it. 0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:21.079 I like the I like that and things are good. 0:03:21.160 --> 0:03:24.560 Is there any update to be shared? Any update to 0:03:24.560 --> 0:03:29.920 be shared? Um? I did have a moment yesterday, not 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:34.120 with him, but just like I had to bring Jolie 0:03:34.200 --> 0:03:36.560 give I had to bring Jolie to Mike and we 0:03:36.640 --> 0:03:39.240 had met in like a parking lot to exchange the 0:03:39.320 --> 0:03:42.120 kids or whatever. And I think it was because I 0:03:42.160 --> 0:03:44.400 had no sleep. I slept in bed with Jolie, which 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:48.200 was like a huge mistake. M sleeping with your child 0:03:48.360 --> 0:03:50.440 is like, I mean, she kicked me the entire night. 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:54.640 I didn't sleep at all, Like I was exhausted. Um, 0:03:54.720 --> 0:03:56.880 but I I don't know. I just had like a 0:03:56.920 --> 0:04:00.680 moment because I'm about to go on a vacation, and 0:04:02.000 --> 0:04:03.960 a part of me was like I want my family 0:04:04.000 --> 0:04:06.440 to go on the vacation, like my kids are coming 0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:09.720 with me, but I'm like, I want my family to 0:04:09.760 --> 0:04:11.920 go on vacation. And then I started like when I 0:04:12.000 --> 0:04:13.960 left them, I just started like bawling in the car. 0:04:15.400 --> 0:04:17.920 And then I talked to a girl who I actually 0:04:17.920 --> 0:04:20.800 met on an old wine down tour. Her husband had 0:04:20.839 --> 0:04:22.760 cheated and we just like have stayed friends and so 0:04:22.800 --> 0:04:24.080 I reached out to her and I was like, hey, 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:26.600 I'm having a moment where it's like I miss my family, 0:04:26.839 --> 0:04:31.280 but I'm like I don't want to, like I know 0:04:31.360 --> 0:04:33.599 it needs to look different now, but it's just it's 0:04:33.600 --> 0:04:35.880 and like I almost I almost had a text message 0:04:35.880 --> 0:04:38.480 and Mike saying this is really hard, like I wish 0:04:38.760 --> 0:04:41.560 I don't want this, and I didn't like I wouldn't 0:04:41.560 --> 0:04:43.520 have wanted it this way, and you know, I would 0:04:43.520 --> 0:04:46.040 have loved for all to like go to the beach together, 0:04:46.240 --> 0:04:48.719 but I'm like that's just not like the reality. So 0:04:48.760 --> 0:04:51.039 I think it was just like I had one of 0:04:51.040 --> 0:04:54.839 those moments where like this is just hard. Yeah, I 0:04:54.880 --> 0:04:56.720 get that. So it's just it's you and the girls, 0:04:56.800 --> 0:04:58.880 or is the income. Well know, Ian's going to and 0:04:58.920 --> 0:05:00.839 he's taking his daughter, and so it's just it's like 0:05:00.880 --> 0:05:03.120 a first you know, and it's like it's a it's 0:05:03.120 --> 0:05:05.520 a modern family. It's just kind of a different definition 0:05:05.520 --> 0:05:08.720 of family, right. Yeah. And then I felt bad because 0:05:08.720 --> 0:05:10.240 I came home and he obviously saw that I was 0:05:10.240 --> 0:05:12.720 like crying, and he was like are you okay, And 0:05:12.760 --> 0:05:14.240 I was like, well I don't. And so then I 0:05:14.279 --> 0:05:16.880 was just like I think I'm just really tired, and 0:05:16.920 --> 0:05:20.039 then I kept kind of crying and then he was like, 0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:21.360 will you please talk to me. I'm like, well, I 0:05:21.400 --> 0:05:25.440 don't want to hurt your feelings because you know, to me, 0:05:25.520 --> 0:05:28.400 it's like but then I finally told him. I was like, 0:05:28.880 --> 0:05:34.280 I'm just like I I would love my family, and like, 0:05:34.320 --> 0:05:36.279 it's not that I want Mike there, because I don't 0:05:36.279 --> 0:05:38.440 want Mike there, but it's like, you know, Jolie asked 0:05:38.440 --> 0:05:40.400 a bunch of questions, why can't Daddy come and like, 0:05:41.600 --> 0:05:44.560 and so it's like, I'm excited about our trip, and 0:05:44.560 --> 0:05:48.320 I'm also like, I miss my family. Can he relate 0:05:48.360 --> 0:05:52.080 to that? I mean, I mean yeah, I mean he's 0:05:52.120 --> 0:05:54.279 just like, I'm so sorry, and he's just like, but 0:05:54.360 --> 0:05:57.880 you know, you have to try and separate, like you know, 0:05:58.400 --> 0:06:02.599 that's not like you. Mike's not healthy and all that stuff. 0:06:02.600 --> 0:06:05.120 And I'm like, I do get that this is hard. 0:06:06.000 --> 0:06:09.080 But he was married before, so I'm sure I feel 0:06:09.120 --> 0:06:11.720 like you would have similar, exactly the same feelings. It's 0:06:11.760 --> 0:06:13.080 maybe it's been longer, but I feel like you can 0:06:13.160 --> 0:06:15.520 understand where you're coming from. The loss of the family. 0:06:15.560 --> 0:06:19.200 Unit's a traumatic thing. Yeah, and some days are just 0:06:19.240 --> 0:06:22.280 like bigger than others well, And I think, first of all, 0:06:22.279 --> 0:06:24.800 don't beat yourself up over that. I think that that's 0:06:25.240 --> 0:06:28.640 got to be completely normal. And I feel like years 0:06:28.680 --> 0:06:31.080 from now that still may still that may still be there, 0:06:31.320 --> 0:06:33.640 and I think that's okay. I mean, I can only imagine. 0:06:34.080 --> 0:06:36.800 Doesn't mean that you want Mike And I think that 0:06:36.800 --> 0:06:40.359 that's hard. You know, you want the mic maybe that 0:06:40.400 --> 0:06:42.279 you thought he could be well, And that's like where 0:06:42.320 --> 0:06:44.000 I got upset because I was like, damn it, like 0:06:44.040 --> 0:06:47.000 oh my god, I'm like I must be like pre whatever. 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:49.440 But I'm like, damn, like some days I just get 0:06:49.440 --> 0:06:50.960 in those moves or I'm like, why couldn't you be 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:53.359 who you said you would be, like for our kids 0:06:53.360 --> 0:06:56.599 at least, you know, like because you know, as you 0:06:56.600 --> 0:06:58.880 start to realize that, like not every relationship is great 0:06:58.880 --> 0:07:01.000 and like you know the it's you gotta work at 0:07:01.080 --> 0:07:05.800 everything right, So it's like, you know, we could have 0:07:05.839 --> 0:07:08.080 made it work if it wasn't all that other crap 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:11.400 you know and involved. So it's like, man, like why 0:07:11.480 --> 0:07:13.240 why can you have been who you said you would 0:07:13.280 --> 0:07:15.480 be for for for our kids? And like now we 0:07:15.480 --> 0:07:18.440 can't go on family vacations together and like now this 0:07:18.760 --> 0:07:20.840 it's just like it just that sucks and that comes 0:07:20.920 --> 0:07:26.000 up sometimes. Yeah, I mean that's the kids get along. Pardon, 0:07:26.560 --> 0:07:29.600 do all the kids get along? Yeah? They do. That's 0:07:29.600 --> 0:07:32.240 then and so that they were gonna have more fun, 0:07:32.360 --> 0:07:34.280 right because if they're going with other kids that are 0:07:34.280 --> 0:07:36.560 like their friends, then they're going to have even more fun. 0:07:37.120 --> 0:07:43.240 It's just the family that's tough. I feel for you there. 0:07:43.680 --> 0:07:48.480 That's tough. I mean, I I yeah, I can't. I can't. 0:07:48.720 --> 0:07:50.640 I can't imagine. I know that's got to be tough. 0:07:51.640 --> 0:07:53.840 I think y'all will have a good time, but I 0:07:53.920 --> 0:07:55.880 understand that this is the first and it's going to 0:07:56.000 --> 0:07:58.520 be You're gonna have tough moments. But I do think 0:07:58.520 --> 0:08:01.960 that Ian's very understanding, and I think that y'all will 0:08:02.000 --> 0:08:04.440 get through it and you'll have a good time. Yeah. No, 0:08:04.520 --> 0:08:06.840 I think we'll have a great night. I just got 0:08:06.840 --> 0:08:10.640 to get past the sure that it's just not easy. 0:08:12.760 --> 0:08:14.360 Are you would all concerned that Jolie is going to 0:08:14.400 --> 0:08:17.160 want you in bed with her every night? No, that 0:08:17.240 --> 0:08:19.560 was only because we had to go to Atlanta to 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:23.520 get her passport and so um, yeah, we just I 0:08:23.560 --> 0:08:26.000 just got one bed, but no, she she has her 0:08:26.000 --> 0:08:29.840 own room and she will never sleep in bed with Megan. Well, 0:08:29.880 --> 0:08:31.800 I think that's the difference. There's a lot of people 0:08:31.840 --> 0:08:34.400 that co sleep with their children and are fine, but 0:08:34.520 --> 0:08:38.960 we just you've never done it, and that's that's a change. Yeah. No, 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:40.240 and I have no. I mean like we have one 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:42.559 of our best friends, christ And who sleeps with her kids. 0:08:42.960 --> 0:08:46.960 I just personally have never been a co sleeper. I yeah, 0:08:47.600 --> 0:08:49.959 and I just couldn't do it. But it was you know, 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:52.040 I did. I did feel bad for and I almost 0:08:52.040 --> 0:08:54.120 feel like I have to, like because the entire night 0:08:54.120 --> 0:08:59.080 and like stop moving, like, oh my god, I couldn't sleep. 0:08:59.120 --> 0:09:01.160 But so did you only go to the floor. I did. 0:09:01.880 --> 0:09:04.959 I went hotel floor, hotel floor. I went on the ground, 0:09:04.960 --> 0:09:06.480 and I took the covers off. I gave her a 0:09:06.480 --> 0:09:09.720 different one. And then like thirty minutes later, I see 0:09:09.760 --> 0:09:12.000 a face like right when I'm about to fall asleep, mommy, 0:09:12.160 --> 0:09:15.720 And I was like, yes, Jolie, She's like, I'll sleep 0:09:15.760 --> 0:09:19.000 on the floor. And I was like no, no, no, baby, 0:09:19.000 --> 0:09:20.880 it's okay, like and then and then I felt bad, right, 0:09:20.960 --> 0:09:22.640 so I'm like no, no, baby, no, no, like please 0:09:22.679 --> 0:09:24.920 go back, like, go back to bed. She goes, mommies, 0:09:24.920 --> 0:09:26.960 don't sleep on the floor. I'll sleep on the ground, 0:09:27.520 --> 0:09:33.960 and I go all right before the bodies can handle it, 0:09:36.280 --> 0:09:39.719 I was like all right, I'm like okay after that 0:09:39.840 --> 0:09:44.240 last one. So but anyways, yeah, so, um, well let's 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:48.320 take a break because we have we have like a 0:09:48.440 --> 0:09:52.319 very large iconic guest coming on, yes, um, which I'm 0:09:52.400 --> 0:09:55.000 very excited about. So um, let's take a break and 0:09:55.400 --> 0:10:11.320 let's get him on. All right, let's get deepop Choper 0:10:11.400 --> 0:10:18.440 on um wine down, let's do it. Hello, Hello, Hi, Well, 0:10:18.480 --> 0:10:20.800 thank you for coming on wine Down. I really appreciate it. 0:10:20.920 --> 0:10:23.160 I'm a huge fan of your work. Um, and I'm 0:10:23.200 --> 0:10:25.040 excited because you have a new book out right now, 0:10:25.800 --> 0:10:30.160 UM called Abundance, which I am amazon ng amazoning is 0:10:30.200 --> 0:10:33.000 that a word? Amazon it is? Now I'm going to 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:36.640 do amazon it immediately because I need like I need 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:40.120 all that, um, I mean for for you, like where 0:10:40.240 --> 0:10:43.200 is this like this book? I mean, because you have 0:10:44.000 --> 0:10:46.960 so many books, like how what is how does this 0:10:47.000 --> 0:10:51.360 one separate from the other ones? Yeah, So all my 0:10:51.440 --> 0:10:55.200 work has been about human consciousness, and now that influences 0:10:55.679 --> 0:11:00.480 how our states of consciousness influence everything about your life. 0:11:01.440 --> 0:11:09.600 That means mental, emotional, physical, spiritual, personal interactions, social interactions, 0:11:09.679 --> 0:11:12.960 and how you perceive an interact with the world. If 0:11:13.000 --> 0:11:15.800 you want to know what's happening in your life right now, 0:11:16.160 --> 0:11:19.959 just look around you, and that reflects your state of consciousness. 0:11:19.960 --> 0:11:22.640 So if you're in a state of fear, then everything 0:11:22.679 --> 0:11:26.760 you see is scary. If you're in an ego response, 0:11:26.800 --> 0:11:29.760 then everybody you see is somebody that you need to 0:11:29.800 --> 0:11:35.120 compete with, either through intimidation or through manipulation by being 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:38.679 nice or nasty or indifferent. On the other hand, if 0:11:38.720 --> 0:11:46.920 your mind is silent, then it eavesdrops on intuition, insight, imagination, creativity, 0:11:47.040 --> 0:11:50.959 higher consciousness, and then there are many other things that 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:56.040 we can happen to through consciousness. This book is called 0:11:56.080 --> 0:11:59.800 Abundance and the Reason the Inner Path through Wealth and 0:11:59.840 --> 0:12:03.040 the reason I wrote this book is somewhere some time 0:12:03.040 --> 0:12:06.600 ago I came across the quote from Bob Marley um 0:12:06.960 --> 0:12:11.720 and he said, some people are so poor all they 0:12:11.760 --> 0:12:15.320 have is money, And I thought, my god, this is 0:12:15.400 --> 0:12:19.600 what I've seen. You know, I've met the richest billionaires 0:12:19.640 --> 0:12:21.679 in the world. Look what's happening now to all these 0:12:21.679 --> 0:12:25.560 Oligochs in Russia and everywhere else. They panic because that's 0:12:25.600 --> 0:12:32.200 their identity. So very extremely rich people tend to be 0:12:32.360 --> 0:12:37.640 very stressed. Extremely poor people also tend to be stressed 0:12:37.679 --> 0:12:41.000 because you know, they all they think about his money. 0:12:41.520 --> 0:12:47.680 The extremely rich confused their self identity with their net worth. 0:12:48.160 --> 0:12:51.520 So every moment you know, stock market pas lets, their 0:12:51.600 --> 0:12:56.839 identity goes into term. So in my tradition, I come 0:12:56.880 --> 0:13:00.800 from an Eastern Wisdom tradition, there are four worlds of life, 0:13:01.000 --> 0:13:04.319 and they're not there. Yeah, the Harma, which is following 0:13:04.320 --> 0:13:10.800 your life purpose or following your bliss, Arta which is 0:13:11.080 --> 0:13:17.240 money and material success. Karma which is sensual delight and 0:13:17.400 --> 0:13:23.040 every sensory experience is delightful and energizing, and it includes 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:27.360 sexuality and spirituality. Karma not karma karmas and karma sutra. 0:13:28.120 --> 0:13:31.760 And then the fourth goal of life is freedom from suffering, 0:13:31.840 --> 0:13:35.920 freedom from the fear of old age, infirmity, and death. 0:13:36.600 --> 0:13:39.960 And the wisdom traditions offer solutions to all of this. 0:13:40.600 --> 0:13:42.840 And so there's nothing I've been mented. I mean, this 0:13:42.960 --> 0:13:46.480 might be ninety feet book, but it's based on the 0:13:46.559 --> 0:13:51.680 Wisdom traditions. Say that your state of consciousness determines your reality. 0:13:52.559 --> 0:13:55.719 So abundance, let me just say a few words about it, 0:13:56.160 --> 0:13:59.400 and then we go be happy to answer any questions. 0:14:00.440 --> 0:14:02.640 You know, when I came to this country at zero 0:14:02.679 --> 0:14:07.240 dollars zero, I landed in New York with no money. 0:14:07.280 --> 0:14:10.360 I was going to report to my hospital. I didn't 0:14:10.360 --> 0:14:12.600 have money to get to the hospital as an intern 0:14:13.080 --> 0:14:18.800 from JFK, and finally they flew me there through a helicopter. 0:14:18.840 --> 0:14:22.960 It was a crazy time, Vietnam War, etcetera. But you know, 0:14:23.000 --> 0:14:26.280 I got into this American habit of spending money that 0:14:26.320 --> 0:14:29.800 I hadn't learned to buy things that I didn't need, 0:14:30.240 --> 0:14:34.400 to impress people that I didn't like. And then wondered 0:14:34.440 --> 0:14:38.360 what the stress was all about. And then he turned 0:14:38.360 --> 0:14:43.720 out that in my studies convinced me that abundance was 0:14:43.760 --> 0:14:46.720 more than money. Although money is a very important component 0:14:46.800 --> 0:14:51.040 of it, but it's also safety and security. It's also 0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:56.000 love and belonging nous. It's also the progressive realization of 0:14:56.040 --> 0:15:03.920 worthy goals. It's also compassion and empathy and helping others, 0:15:04.040 --> 0:15:08.480 and it's also higher states of consciousness and transcendence. So 0:15:08.520 --> 0:15:12.560 the book Abundance deals at all these levels, including what 0:15:12.600 --> 0:15:14.560 we call the yoga of money. You know people in 0:15:14.560 --> 0:15:18.080 the year that yoga of money. Well, the word yoga 0:15:18.160 --> 0:15:21.760 actually means huge, which means union with the source of 0:15:21.800 --> 0:15:25.400 all experience, which is also a spirit, and it's real 0:15:25.760 --> 0:15:30.360 and when you connect with that, then anything is possible. 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:32.760 In the beginning of the book, I do something called 0:15:33.400 --> 0:15:37.560 a soul profile so people can answer questions. And if 0:15:37.600 --> 0:15:40.560 you make your choices based on your soul profile, not 0:15:41.680 --> 0:15:45.560 choices based on what other people tell you, then you're 0:15:45.600 --> 0:15:49.080 likely to be very abundant. It's called generosity of spirit. 0:15:50.320 --> 0:15:51.800 How do you get there, though, because it's like that 0:15:51.840 --> 0:15:54.680 all sounds like amazing, you know, like I want to 0:15:54.720 --> 0:15:58.040 like stay in that consciousness of all all of those things, 0:15:58.040 --> 0:15:59.880 Like that's that's what I would love. But it's like, 0:16:00.000 --> 0:16:03.560 how do you how do you navigate to like to 0:16:04.040 --> 0:16:07.080 stay in that place when there's so many outside fears 0:16:07.120 --> 0:16:10.600 and you know, things that you have to like carry. 0:16:10.880 --> 0:16:15.000 It's a very good question because in the entire Western world, 0:16:16.480 --> 0:16:19.040 and I've been up for a long time, in the 0:16:19.240 --> 0:16:23.880 entire Western world, it's considered that if you work hard, 0:16:24.480 --> 0:16:28.400 if you have disciplined, if you have exacting plans, and 0:16:28.480 --> 0:16:32.200 you have driving ambition. You will be successful, and there's 0:16:32.240 --> 0:16:35.920 no doubt about that, but that's the zeitgeist. You will 0:16:36.000 --> 0:16:38.240 be successful, but a high cost. By the time you 0:16:38.320 --> 0:16:42.040 get to middle age. You might have heart disease, addiction, 0:16:43.080 --> 0:16:47.080 I have problems with drugs, marital problems, on and on. 0:16:47.720 --> 0:16:51.600 So the question is what do you really want? And 0:16:51.640 --> 0:16:53.480 I think, you know I used to ask that from 0:16:53.520 --> 0:16:56.880 my patients, But what do you want? Oh, I want 0:16:56.920 --> 0:16:58.800 to get with my heart disease or this or that, 0:16:59.480 --> 0:17:01.280 And I said, why do you want to do that? 0:17:01.440 --> 0:17:04.200 And you know, I kept asking a question, and ultimately 0:17:04.240 --> 0:17:10.080 I realized everybody wants happiness, enjoy. So if joy is 0:17:10.119 --> 0:17:14.520 not the measure of success, you've wasted your life totally. Um. 0:17:14.760 --> 0:17:17.000 You can be at your death wed with a billion 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:20.679 dollars and more, but you have no joy. And so 0:17:20.920 --> 0:17:25.080 I made that my goal, that I would come from 0:17:25.160 --> 0:17:30.040 joy and then I would create joy and then see 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:33.280 what happens. And in the book, what I do is 0:17:33.600 --> 0:17:37.359 I take rituals that have been there forever. You know 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:40.920 there are rituals involving the seven Chakras. I don't know 0:17:40.960 --> 0:17:43.120 if you've heard the seven Chakras, you've heard the word 0:17:43.160 --> 0:17:47.800 chuker because the seven chakras. Each chakra has a particular 0:17:49.400 --> 0:17:52.159 mode of experience. So the first chakra has to do 0:17:52.280 --> 0:17:55.640 with available and safety, the second has to do with 0:17:56.240 --> 0:18:01.119 sensuality and relationship, the third has to do money and success. 0:18:01.720 --> 0:18:04.480 The fourth has to do with creative expression on and not. 0:18:04.960 --> 0:18:08.480 So what I do in the book is there's there 0:18:08.520 --> 0:18:12.600 are technologies that are known since ancient times and these 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:16.600 are called tantra, mantra, and yantra. Now in the West, 0:18:16.640 --> 0:18:20.480 when people think tantra or tantra as they call it, 0:18:20.880 --> 0:18:24.840 they immediately think of sexuality. Yeah, I did sexual like 0:18:24.880 --> 0:18:29.040 I did tantra with max husband back in the day. Okay, 0:18:29.040 --> 0:18:32.880 but that's not contra. That is one aspect of chant 0:18:33.560 --> 0:18:38.119 The word tantra means ritual, that's all it is, and 0:18:38.320 --> 0:18:42.000 ritual is a very interesting Even those town tricks ex 0:18:42.040 --> 0:18:47.879 practices were rituals, and rituals are a way of channeling 0:18:48.200 --> 0:18:55.000 energy in a way, combining it with an intention and 0:18:55.080 --> 0:19:00.359 allowing your spirit to orchestrate the details and man infest 0:19:00.440 --> 0:19:02.600 what you want. Now, you know, in the last ten 0:19:02.680 --> 0:19:06.760 years people have been talking about the law of attraction, secret, this, 0:19:06.920 --> 0:19:09.520 that the other, But all of that is based on 0:19:09.600 --> 0:19:14.159 mental stuff. Mental doesn't work because as long as we 0:19:14.200 --> 0:19:18.640 feel separate and disconnected, we'll have anxiety, will anger, we'll 0:19:18.680 --> 0:19:22.800 have resentments, we have grievances, we'll have all kinds of issues. 0:19:23.320 --> 0:19:30.240 So tantra really is a ritual to track energy, cosmic energy, 0:19:30.800 --> 0:19:35.080 channel it and for a particular outcome. And these practices 0:19:35.119 --> 0:19:38.160 have been there for a long time in yoga, and 0:19:38.840 --> 0:19:41.200 so in the book, what I do is go through 0:19:41.240 --> 0:19:47.640 the practices. So tantras is the ritual, Mantras an instrument 0:19:47.720 --> 0:19:50.600 of the mind that takes you beyond the mind. And 0:19:50.640 --> 0:19:54.199 then yantra is a visualization. And when you combine the 0:19:54.200 --> 0:19:58.280 three and you come and focus on a particular center 0:19:58.320 --> 0:20:02.639 of awareness which we call which we call chakra. You 0:20:02.720 --> 0:20:06.400 couldn't even think of the Chakra's an extension of Abraham 0:20:06.480 --> 0:20:12.000 Maslow's hierarchy of needs. Then you will find what the 0:20:12.080 --> 0:20:16.880 scriptures promise. That's been my experience. Wow, And I feel 0:20:16.880 --> 0:20:20.399 like it's one of those things too, where like every 0:20:20.480 --> 0:20:22.600 day if like you say, like okay, like today, like 0:20:22.600 --> 0:20:25.320 I'm choosing joy or I'm gonna like you're setting your 0:20:25.359 --> 0:20:28.840 mind for like that intention, right, So it's like setting 0:20:28.840 --> 0:20:32.240 an intention, and I feel like because I've had that 0:20:32.280 --> 0:20:34.280 same thing where it's like anxiety, Like I'm just I'm 0:20:34.320 --> 0:20:36.879 always like, oh my gosh, what if this happens, Are 0:20:36.960 --> 0:20:39.239 like I can't enjoy certain activities because I'm like, I'm 0:20:39.280 --> 0:20:40.960 gonna have an anxiety atacker, I'm not going to do that. 0:20:41.000 --> 0:20:43.280 And it's like now it's just like trying to like 0:20:44.280 --> 0:20:46.479 not focus it because I'm like, well then I'm already 0:20:46.600 --> 0:20:50.119 putting a ship like a a shadow or over the 0:20:50.160 --> 0:20:54.119 activity before i even did it because I'm so worried 0:20:54.160 --> 0:21:00.639 about what might happen. Yeah, So intention coming the mind 0:21:00.840 --> 0:21:07.600 or the ego or from fear is counterproductive. Intention coming 0:21:07.640 --> 0:21:10.560 from the source of the mind, which we call you know, 0:21:10.640 --> 0:21:14.280 the many words. We call it awareness of pure consciousness 0:21:14.440 --> 0:21:20.920 or or spirit or soul, doesn't matter. It's the fundamental 0:21:21.000 --> 0:21:25.040 state of our being. When you were a child, before 0:21:25.040 --> 0:21:28.600 you even learn language, look at any baby full of curiosity, 0:21:28.680 --> 0:21:33.320 full of wonder, smiling, joyful. You look into the eyes 0:21:33.359 --> 0:21:37.200 of the baby, it immediately smiles. That's the unconditioned mind 0:21:37.720 --> 0:21:40.760 that's very close to the source. Because children are coming 0:21:40.800 --> 0:21:43.840 from source. But then they get educated and they get 0:21:43.880 --> 0:21:48.800 bamboozled into these ideas of success. We call the condition 0:21:48.880 --> 0:21:52.240 mind or the hypnosis of social conditioning, and the entire 0:21:52.280 --> 0:21:54.240 world is embroiled in that. You know, look at the 0:21:54.240 --> 0:21:58.359 war happening now Russia and Ukraine, people fighting over oil, 0:21:58.920 --> 0:22:03.520 the stock markets relapsing. It's a battle of egos once 0:22:03.560 --> 0:22:06.840 you go beyond that. So the techniques that we use 0:22:06.960 --> 0:22:12.639 in meditation and tantra yantra mantra. Let's give you a metaphor. 0:22:12.880 --> 0:22:16.359 Let's say you drop a pebble in a still pond, 0:22:16.720 --> 0:22:22.680 even a small pebble, you'll see a ripple. But if 0:22:22.720 --> 0:22:26.719 you drop the empire state building in a turbulent ocean, 0:22:27.000 --> 0:22:30.600 you won't notice anything. Okay. So the key is to 0:22:30.920 --> 0:22:34.239 quiet in the mind to the point where there is 0:22:34.440 --> 0:22:39.640 almost not no thought activity, or very minimal thought activity. 0:22:39.760 --> 0:22:43.920 Then drop the intention there detached from the outcome, and 0:22:44.040 --> 0:22:49.520 stay in that state of RESTful awareness of quiet, and 0:22:49.640 --> 0:22:53.800 then like the ripple, depending on the shape of the pebble, 0:22:54.560 --> 0:22:59.160 the ripple is different depending on the intention, the organization 0:22:59.200 --> 0:23:02.080 of that is like a ripple. Now he sees I 0:23:02.200 --> 0:23:05.400 understand even as we talk, you know, I do understand 0:23:05.440 --> 0:23:09.560 that this is very a leged piana to the Western culture. 0:23:09.720 --> 0:23:15.800 But over forty years people who have followed these teachings, 0:23:15.840 --> 0:23:19.000 and I have to say they're not original. I I basically, 0:23:19.200 --> 0:23:21.960 you know, let this spirit come to me. And I 0:23:22.000 --> 0:23:29.560 also follow wisdom traditions, particularly from India there Kashmishevism and 0:23:29.880 --> 0:23:34.879 things like they don't and the Zend techniques. So what 0:23:35.119 --> 0:23:37.480 I say any in any of my books, I have 0:23:37.640 --> 0:23:41.480 to tell you it's not something I invent, but their rituals, 0:23:42.400 --> 0:23:45.800 well they sound really good coming from you, though that 0:23:46.600 --> 0:23:51.760 because I haven't Indian accent. No, No, is there one like, 0:23:51.920 --> 0:23:53.879 is there something that you haven't I mean you can 0:23:54.040 --> 0:23:55.960 like this being your ninety one book. Is there something 0:23:56.000 --> 0:23:59.240