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Speaker 1: I didn't mean to hurt Mark's feelings. Mark, How did

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Speaker 1: Ryan Seacrest always always well we can negotiate that everything. No, no, no, yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's no, there's no way there. Okay. But Easton said,

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Speaker 1: Jane is actually happy you're not on because Ian's on,

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Speaker 1: and she says she's not ready for you the first time.

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Speaker 1: Maybe next time I can have a few moments with you.

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Speaker 1: That's fair here, It's like you're my dad, Well let's

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Speaker 1: give it some time. Protective of you. So yes, I

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Speaker 1: asked him questions for him. I need to know his

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Speaker 1: be shared? Um? I did have a moment yesterday, not

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Speaker 1: on um wine down, let's do it. Hello, Hello, Hi, Well,

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Speaker 1: thank you for coming on wine Down. I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: I'm a huge fan of your work. Um, and I'm

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Speaker 1: Love to prevent suicide, particularly amongst teens. In teens, that's

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Speaker 1: the second most common cause of debt is suicide. Every

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Speaker 1: forty second, somebody is committing suicide in the world. It's

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Speaker 1: a pandemic. Last year, more people died from suicide in

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Speaker 1: Japan than from pop COVID nineteen. We ignore it and

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Speaker 1: this is our kids. These are our children. I think

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Speaker 1: our humanity is incomplete if you don't address that. So

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Speaker 1: we created this chat bought named after a recording artist

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Speaker 1: who died suicide and her sister is an actress. We

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Speaker 1: work with her and this little jack board, which is

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Speaker 1: an AI has intervened in five thousand suicide attempts in

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Speaker 1: re escalated. Eleven million people are talking to her. Her

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Speaker 1: name is Pebe, named after the recording artists. Pebe is

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Speaker 1: talking to eleven million people right now as we speak. Wow.

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Speaker 1: That's crazy. Yeah, that's a that's impressive. Yeah, well, thank

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Speaker 1: you for doing that. I mean, that's that's that's amazing. UM,

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Speaker 1: And I know you're at a conference, so I don't

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Speaker 1: want to I could keep you for hours because I

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Speaker 1: just want to like get into your brain because I

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Speaker 1: just like I love everything that you do. So just

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Speaker 1: thank you for um, for all the resources. And even

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Speaker 1: though you say that it's not anything new, like how

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Speaker 1: you explain it, it makes sense to my brain at least,

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Speaker 1: So so thank you. You're very kind, Joanna. I'm sorry

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Speaker 1: I was late. No, honey, you're fine, fine, go go

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Speaker 1: do your thing, and I look forward to the abundance

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Speaker 1: but also the next the next few as well. So

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming on the wine down

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Speaker 1: and hopefully talk to you soon. Thank you. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: You know what, I would love to have asked him,

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Speaker 1: but I know he's like such a busy man. So

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Speaker 1: I'm just so honored that we were able to get

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Speaker 1: him on. But like what he struggles with because I

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Speaker 1: think that he has to have something like because it's

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Speaker 1: like I'd love to stay in that state of just

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Speaker 1: like it sounds like it's so much about clearing your mind,

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Speaker 1: and that sounds so difficult, Like how do you clear

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Speaker 1: your mind? That's what I wanted to say, but I'm

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Speaker 1: not going to like him, but I'm like, but how

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Speaker 1: like how do you clear your mind? We need to

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Speaker 1: read abundance apparently because I don't know how nine d

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Speaker 1: of his other Yeah right, um, but I think it's

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Speaker 1: like it goes back to that like what he kept saying,

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Speaker 1: like that that me meditative state, you know where it's

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Speaker 1: like and that's where like I know, Amy always encourages

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Speaker 1: us to meditate. Yeah, have you ever meditate? Really? So,

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Speaker 1: I've done a few and it does work, you like

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Speaker 1: can actually clear your mind? Yeah, for how long? Well,

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Speaker 1: like headspace. I have head Space. There's like a three

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Speaker 1: minute one on there and like sometimes I have things

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Speaker 1: come in, but there's like longer ones too. But it's again,

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Speaker 1: I've only done it a handful of times. But when

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Speaker 1: I have done it. It it is really helpful, like

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Speaker 1: and if you can get into a routine of it,

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Speaker 1: like that's where it's just like it's so fascinating to me. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like I feel like i'd be at least thinking about

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Speaker 1: what I'm looking at or I don't. I just I

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Speaker 1: do not know how to clear my mind. What is

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Speaker 1: the thing that makes your mind the most, like clustered

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Speaker 1: or cat you know, I don't know, it's just the

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Speaker 1: next thing. I'm just always thinking about something. And I'm

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Speaker 1: not like always stressed by any means. I just I

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Speaker 1: need to try it, clearly, because I just feel like

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm always thinking about what's next in the day,

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Speaker 1: what the kids have, what work, you know. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's just even if it's not stress, it's just something

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Speaker 1: so clearing your mind just seems difficult. But I should

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Speaker 1: try it. I should try a three minutes and see

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Speaker 1: if I can do it. Yeah, download head space. Never

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Speaker 1: tried it, well, I said, I take that back. I

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Speaker 1: tried it years ago. I didn't get very far. Oh

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Speaker 1: you did. Yeah, Like I think about the carpet I'm

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Speaker 1: looking at, Like, how do you not think about something? Well,

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Speaker 1: And that's the thing it's like you're like, especially when

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Speaker 1: you start, it's almost like E M d R. When

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Speaker 1: I first started E M JR. I'm like Amy, like

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking about like what to do after this, and

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Speaker 1: like you know, but it's like you just got to

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Speaker 1: like pull yourself back to like yeah, back to it.

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Speaker 1: We should do yoga? Would you do? Amy has begged

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Speaker 1: me to do yoga. I just think it's so boring.

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Speaker 1: You think you would do yogo with us? She should

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Speaker 1: show us. That would be so fun because we're coming

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Speaker 1: to wind down, we're doing some wine down dates, which

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Speaker 1: is gonna be fun, and we're going to have Amy,

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Speaker 1: our therapist, on stage with us, so that's gonna be fun.

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Speaker 1: Excited Mark do do yoga? I don't, but I feel

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Speaker 1: like I should because I'm getting older and I'm losing

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Speaker 1: flexibility and yoga would really help me with that. But

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Speaker 1: also the advantages, like you're saying, of focusing the mind

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Speaker 1: and clearing your head, that would be great too. I

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Speaker 1: see all kinds of advantages. Why can't I just pull

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Speaker 1: the trigger into it? And it's not that well, I

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Speaker 1: say that it's not that hard, you know, it's not

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Speaker 1: that hard of a workout. Necessarily, but I also go

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Speaker 1: into it thinking that every time, and I'm like, this

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Speaker 1: is harder than I thought. Maybe because I'm getting old, right,

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Speaker 1: because you're not running, You're not have you waste, You're not,

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Speaker 1: but you're just kind of in a position. But then yeah,

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Speaker 1: the next thing, you know, you're sweating like crazy. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Like in my mind I thought I could hold that pose,

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Speaker 1: but I can't. In my mind, this looks down down,

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Speaker 1: looks so easy, so easy. Yeah, I mean maybe, I

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Speaker 1: mean I would do I do anything with you? Are

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Speaker 1: you sweet? I think I was laughing, Okay, I was like,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, what what took a turn? No, that

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Speaker 1: would be that. That was sweet. And I do believe

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Speaker 1: that if I asked you to go to yoga tomorrow,

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Speaker 1: you'd be there tomorrow. But you know I would support you. See,

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Speaker 1: that was very sweet. I would support that. I am crying.

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Speaker 1: I want to support my friends on you know, they're

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Speaker 1: they're physical and mental journeys and always, you know, support

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Speaker 1: and show up. Just like I went to a cross

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Speaker 1: bit Jim on a vacation and I was like to

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Speaker 1: support How was that? It's fine? Did you really just

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Speaker 1: walk on the treadmill? Yeah? Because I hated it. I

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Speaker 1: hated that, like assault runner thing, like my calves hurt.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm just not across bit girl. It's fine,

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Speaker 1: but I went to support out there. Oh Mark, you're

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Speaker 1: in studio, I am. Yeah, it's great. It's so weird.

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00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 1: I haven't been there in years. Yeah, we miss you here. Yeah,

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00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: I remember you used to strut in here with a

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Speaker 1: snack of the juice. I put your feet up on

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00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 1: the counter those days. I feel like it was just

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Speaker 1: a different time, but those were good times. I enjoyed

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Speaker 1: having everybody coming in. It was nice, and it's nice.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be back. It makes you feel like

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Speaker 1: you're you know, you got a life and a job

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00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: and a purpose and all that stuff. Yeah, yeah, it's

551
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: it's coming back, right. You're going to be able to

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Speaker 1: go back in studio. And I think that I heard

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Speaker 1: it's going to be doing the back to work like

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Speaker 1: order soon. Good, it's time, everybody. I've been coming back

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Speaker 1: intermittently for months now. But it's nice. It's good. It's

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Speaker 1: good to get up and go to work. Yeah, sure,

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Speaker 1: I agree with that. All right, Well, I have to

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Speaker 1: go pack because um, I'm but to leave for quite

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Speaker 1: a while. Because we're gonna go Cancun and then we

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Speaker 1: go to l A because I've got dance ursuls with

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Speaker 1: Mario Lopez by the studio podcast from here, We're waiting

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Speaker 1: for you. She's like, no, I think we got one

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Speaker 1: in the in the can for for that, But I

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Speaker 1: mean I would still come a boy to say, how

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Speaker 1: do you um? It will say someone's coming. All right, guys,

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Speaker 1: so see you next week. Have fun,