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Speaker 2: It's just the people that implement they get lost along

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Speaker 2: the way and forget what their job really is. He

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Speaker 2: just kept on trying to remind me that who was

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Speaker 2: was for my body to be found in any alley

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Speaker 3: It's a tough prison when you have the guards going

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Speaker 3: against you because they are the biggest gang in the prison.

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Speaker 1: They do that.

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Speaker 2: They'll give a guy a life sentence and go home

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Speaker 2: in eat spaghetti like it was nothing. And anybody that said, well,

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Speaker 2: why would you confess to something that you didn't do?

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Speaker 2: My question to them will be why wouldn't you confess

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Speaker 2: when somebody's threatening to kill your life?

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Speaker 1: You judge?

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Speaker 4: He said, how you feel? I said, I'm okay.

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Speaker 2: He said, well, the days you're lucky, day you're going home.

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Speaker 4: This is wrongful conviction. Welcome back to Wrongful Conviction with

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Speaker 4: Jason Flomm. Today's guest is a larger than life character

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Speaker 4: in every way. Anthony di Pippo.

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Speaker 1: Anthony di Pippo went behind bars as a nineteen year

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Speaker 1: old troublemaker, but insists he was never the killer. They

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Speaker 1: said he was.

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Speaker 3: After twenty years in prison for a crime the courts

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Speaker 3: now say he did not commit.

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Speaker 1: The jury and Putnam County found him not guilty in

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Speaker 1: the nineteen ninety four rape and murder of twelve year

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Speaker 1: old Josette Wright.

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Speaker 4: This was his third trial for the same crime.

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Speaker 1: The previous convictions were overturned, then on Tuesday an acquittal.

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Speaker 1: The main witness against him was a former girlfriend who

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Speaker 1: said she witnessed the attack, but the jury didn't buy.

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Speaker 1: What we learned at this trial is that the eyewitness

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Speaker 1: was incredible. In the third trial, the defense was allowed

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Speaker 1: to suggest Howard Gombert is the real killer, seen with

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Speaker 1: the victims shortly before her disappear yearans and currently in

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Speaker 1: a Connecticut prison on sex assault charges. The Putnam County

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Speaker 1: District Attorney, though, isn't backing down. He insists not guilty

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Speaker 1: is not the same as innocent.

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Speaker 4: He was freed six months ago. Anthony, Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 3: Great to be on the show. Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: So.

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Speaker 4: Anthony is a very interesting guy. I've gotten to know

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Speaker 4: him well over the last several months since he's been

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Speaker 4: out of prison. And when I say he's a larger

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Speaker 4: than life character, what are you six' five almost six y. Six,

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Speaker 4: yeah he looks like a gentle. Giant so just gregarious

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Speaker 4: and funny and fun to be. Around and so it

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Speaker 4: really belies the incredible saga that you've lived, through how

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Speaker 4: you came out with your spirits so so strong and so,

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Speaker 4: positive and it gives me a lot of joy just

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Speaker 4: hanging around with. You So i'm glad to have you.

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Speaker 3: Here, well thank. You you, KNOW i try to live

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Speaker 3: in for the moment and for the future and not

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Speaker 3: in the. PAST i did twenty years wrongfully full so

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Speaker 3: accus of CRIMES i didn't. Commit and it's a privilege

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Speaker 3: to be back in. Society you, know a lot of

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Speaker 3: people in my situation don't get to make it.

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Speaker 4: Here, yeah that's. True in, fact we'll get to. It

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Speaker 4: the guy who was lawfully convicted with you is not

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Speaker 4: here because he's still locked up for the same, crime

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Speaker 4: which is crazy because you've been. Exonerated and let's go

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Speaker 4: back to the time of the. CRIME i, mean you

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Speaker 4: were still a, kid, right, right which is which makes

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Speaker 4: it extra, tragic right because the fact that you lost those.

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Speaker 3: In, Carmel New, York, Carmon New.

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Speaker 3: Place it's picking fences and people who are just living.

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Speaker 3: Life is one of the safest communities according to The

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Speaker 4: In so you had a relatively happy childhood growing up In,

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Speaker 4: carmel and things are going. Good you play, sports.

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Speaker 3: You, KNOW i was involved in wrestling in, school AND

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Speaker 3: i wasn't involved with, baseball football and all of. That

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Speaker 3: but you, KNOW i was doing a lot of stuff

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Speaker 3: to focus in on me as a personal interest just

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Speaker 3: because of WHAT i was. DOING i, mean we weren't

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Speaker 3: but you, know we were using and selling, drugs and

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Speaker 4: Sort of like a knock around. Guy but you weren't hurting.

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Speaker 3: Anybody, no it wasn't my. GOAL i didn't wake up

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Speaker 4: community which is a twelve year old girl was raped and. Murdered,

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Speaker 4: right we're talking nineteen ninety four, Now, yes her name

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Speaker 3: That it was huge. News it was in the. Newspapers

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Speaker 4: Crime, well it took a long time to find.

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Speaker 3: It, right thirteen. Months she was last seen In october

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Speaker 3: Right it's the most horrible you can imagine.

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Speaker 4: Everybody's worst, NIGHTMARE a little, girl innocent found in having

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Speaker 3: Re electioneer for the, sheriff and so everybody wanted this case.

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Speaker 3: the people they were looking at was a guy Named Howard,

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Speaker 3: gombert who had later had confessed that he committed this

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Speaker 3: crime to several. Individuals she was last seen getting into

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Speaker 3: his red car with The connecticut license. Plates, now the

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Speaker 3: woman eye witness that seene this identified his photo out

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Speaker 3: in the woods in this. Condition WHEN i went to,

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Speaker 3: TRIAL i didn't know about this, Guy Howard. Gombert my

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Speaker 3: attorney had previously represented him on a rape, charge so

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Speaker 3: he received the pre trial discovery material that implicated his former,

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Speaker 4: where things get really. Weird the fact is the attorney

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Speaker 4: fact he withheld information that he had that would have

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Speaker 4: screwing you his current. Client it's so backwards and so

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Speaker 4: imagine that this goes. On but it. Does but let's

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Speaker 4: go back to how this, started, right because it started

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Speaker 3: Gombret but we're doing the week they found her, remains

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Speaker 3: so they got this eyewitness. Testimony that, week they also

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Speaker 3: interviewed people That Howard gombert knew That they were saying

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Speaker 3: he was trying to entice her into a babysitting, job

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Speaker 3: this Guy. Gombert but now we're driving along To Jersey.

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Speaker 3: were using and selling. Drugs we were coming back from

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Speaker 3: neglia who was the later, informant And Andrew, kreevak who

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Speaker 4: About it was only, sixteen, right he was.

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Speaker 3: Seventeen we were talking about basic newspaper. Knowledge we weren't talking,

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Speaker 3: Crime so then what happened from there was that Dominic

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Speaker 3: negli was repeatedly pulled out of his, school pulled out

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Speaker 3: of his, job until he got. Fired he worked at

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Speaker 3: station for several hours of, interrogation and this Detective, Castalo

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Speaker 3: Patrick costalo and his other Detective William quick were telling

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Speaker 3: him they have to get information against, me otherwise he's

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Speaker 3: going to go to prison for his. Charges and they

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Speaker 3: were paying him money and they were beating him. Up

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Speaker 3: at the same. Time he, SAID i don't want to

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Speaker 3: do this. Anymore he came to a point where he,

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Speaker 3: says EVERYTHING i said was a. FABRICATION i don't want

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Speaker 3: to do this. Anymore So, castaldo who was later indicted

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Speaker 3: for this similar, conduct hit the guy in the head

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Speaker 3: got no other. Choice so he said. Fine he came

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Speaker 3: back and, said all, right they wanted. WITNESSES i got

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Speaker 3: your Witness Adam, Wilson Denise, rose And bill. McGregor supposedly

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Speaker 3: this crime happened in the van and they were. There

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Speaker 3: so the cops took this information and went To Denise

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Speaker 3: rose and threatened her were life in prison for three.

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Speaker 3: Weeks was your girlfriend, Right, yeah we were seeing each

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Speaker 3: but THEN i broke up with, her which you, know

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Speaker 3: me but it probably contributed because some woman are, scorn you,

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Speaker 3: the theory of death is. Asphixiation but we were later

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Speaker 4: Stuff why did the, cops in your, opinion when they

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Speaker 4: all they had to do WAS i, mean this thing

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Speaker 3: Him LIKE i, said Dominic neglia and then From Denise

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Speaker 3: supposedly the, crime The deirya to crime was that we

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Speaker 3: know That Jeffrey dskovic is innocent BECAUSE dna established a

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Speaker 3: i was not in a. Van the cops threatened. Me

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Speaker 3: sworn After david that cops threatening with accessory or accomplished

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Speaker 3: he said he never Met josette right in his, life

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Speaker 3: rose try to spoon feed him the story while he's

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Speaker 4: right and then this terrible sequence of events happens where

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Speaker 3: Weird he asked a critical, question how did the focus

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Speaker 3: view was that? Shift is there anything more to? It

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Speaker 3: i'm here and we're gonna Get andy.

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Speaker 4: Out, yeah we're gonna get him. Out the question Is,

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Speaker 3: So CAN i just tell the story About Howard? Gombert so,

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Speaker 3: yeah people can, understand all. Right Howard gombert is incarcerated

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Speaker 3: now for taking an eight year old girl in, woods

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Speaker 3: threatening her with. Death i'm not going to name names

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Speaker 3: abusing from when she was eight to. Eighteen would repeatedly

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Speaker 3: abducted his other, babysitter blonde, hair blue, eyes strikingly similar

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Speaker 3: documented all this, down documented. This she didn't Identify Howard

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Speaker 3: Happened Howard gombert did this to. Me so she comes

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Speaker 3: forward with. This the modus operandi is distinct and. Unique

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Speaker 3: this wasn't an. Accident this wasn't somebody who created the

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Speaker 3: said for the entire views and pleasure of the town Of.

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Speaker 3: Howard gombert was also seen six months later With Robin

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Speaker 3: murphy seventeen who's still, missing And Robin. Murphy they were

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Speaker 3: seen at this laundry matt they were. Together years, later

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Speaker 3: they would Find Robin murphy's underwear bearing HER dna eight

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Speaker 3: billion to one odds that it was HER dna and

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Speaker 3: a trophy suitcase maintained By Howard gombert with some underwear

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Speaker 3: from his other rape. Victims her necklace what we believed

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Speaker 3: that they'll never Find Robin murphy's, remains and that they

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Speaker 3: he was trying to Entice josette the babysit and that

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Speaker 3: now all these statements or declarations against penal interest made

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Speaker 3: corroborated by proof independent of the statements, themselves to attest

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Speaker 3: to the trustworthiness and reliability which culminated in my third

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Speaker 3: reversal because of the second, charal the judge didn't allow

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Speaker 3: any of this in you don't let the jury hear

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Speaker 3: the Name Howard.

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Speaker 4: Gombert so there's a number of things here that anybody

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Speaker 4: who has any thread of decency and cares about, women

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Speaker 4: the girls in this, case, right the idea is so

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Speaker 4: fucking outrageous that this guy was allowed by the authorities

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Speaker 4: they would have done it right the first, time forgetting

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Speaker 4: for a moment the fact that you were robbed of

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Speaker 4: could have been. Prevented it didn't have to. Happen none

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Speaker 4: it wasn't like a big. Mystery they had the. GUYS i,

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Speaker 4: MEAN i know you must have had, well you had

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Speaker 3: You, KNOW i look at it like, this, Right i'm home.

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Speaker 3: NOW i was victimized by not only the police, department

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Speaker 3: but this, Guy Howard. GOMBERT i had served his prison.

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Speaker 3: Time andy is serving his prison. Time, collectively it's forty

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Speaker 3: as heinous. Individual some of these girls that he did

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Speaker 3: this too with my. FRIENDS i don't know everybody that

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Speaker 3: he did this, tool but some of them were my.

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Speaker 3: JOSETTE i was friends with the. SISTERS i was friends

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Speaker 3: they feel a certain sort of. Way but you, know

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Speaker 3: in certain, cases you know that some families don't accept

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Speaker 4: Well because let's think about it, too psychologically, speaking it's

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Speaker 4: and that all these years the real guy had been

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Speaker 4: People so that's got to be another thing to have

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Speaker 4: already gone through unbelievably terrifying traumatic experience and then have

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Speaker 4: SEE i can understand. It, INTELLECTUALLY i can never understand

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Speaker 4: one that's ever not been through it could possibly really understand.

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Speaker 4: It everything went wrong in your case typical of many wrongful.

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Speaker 4: Convictions you had an incompetent defense. Attorney you had incentivized

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Speaker 4: witnesses who lied on the, stand incentivized in a lot of, ways,

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Speaker 4: Right because they were being literally given the carrot and the.

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Speaker 4: Stick they were either being paid off or beaten up

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Speaker 4: or threatened with being charged with. Murder that's a pretty strong. Incentive.

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Speaker 4: Right so you got convicted in a separate trial from. Kreeback,

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Speaker 4: right you both got. Convicted.

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Speaker 3: Right krevac signed a nine page false confession after he

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Speaker 3: was given a light detective test by the same Individual

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00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:08,600
Speaker 3: Daniel steeveers that Gave jeffrey Test vic his lightest detective

430
00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:12,520
Speaker 3: test preceding his false, confession which later was proven false

431
00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:14,480
Speaker 3: BECAUSE dna proved Established and.

432
00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:16,280
Speaker 4: Let me just say for the audience in case some

433
00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:19,480
Speaker 4: people haven't Heard jeffries' story on wrongful. Conviction jeffreys a

434
00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:22,119
Speaker 4: guy who was wrongfully convicted at sixteen years old of

435
00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:25,159
Speaker 4: rape and murdering a fifteen year old, girl and THE

436
00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:28,560
Speaker 4: dna proved from the outset that he hadn't done. It

437
00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,040
Speaker 4: and then on the back, end when he was finally

438
00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:34,840
Speaker 4: released sixteen years, later A dna actually identified the real

439
00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:37,399
Speaker 4: killer who. Confessed and we know that the guy that

440
00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:38,840
Speaker 4: you're referring to now.

441
00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:42,639
Speaker 3: Is the detective that took his false, confession gave him

442
00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,240
Speaker 3: several cups of coffee had him under the table in

443
00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:48,960
Speaker 3: a fetal. Position prior to given a, statement he gave

444
00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:52,080
Speaker 3: my co Defendant Andrew, kreevack a lie detective test preceding

445
00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:52,560
Speaker 3: his false.

446
00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,400
Speaker 4: Confession the ironically about a live detective test is that

447
00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:58,920
Speaker 4: the detective is allowed to lie about the lie detective.

448
00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:00,679
Speaker 4: Test we should be given the fucking lie to tech

449
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,119
Speaker 4: a test to the. DETECTIVE i, mean it's it's, funny

450
00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:07,280
Speaker 4: but it's. Not it's so weird to think that that

451
00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:10,080
Speaker 4: they can lie in the process of trying to get

452
00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:12,040
Speaker 4: you to confess to a. Crime they can lie to anything.

453
00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:13,560
Speaker 4: Want they could say we got your, fingerprints they could

454
00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:15,639
Speaker 4: say we have. Witnesses they could say we got blood

455
00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,199
Speaker 4: OR dna or, this or you the light of technests you.

456
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,520
Speaker 4: Failed they say whatever you. Want and we know that

457
00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,439
Speaker 4: in certain cases they've even been, able especially with a

458
00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:26,600
Speaker 4: teenager which you, were Which jeffrey, Was they've been able

459
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:28,760
Speaker 4: in certain cases to convince people that they actually did

460
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,119
Speaker 4: do the crime that they didn't do. Right and so

461
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:35,760
Speaker 4: false confessions are really common in.

462
00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:39,760
Speaker 3: Cases problematic, THOUGH i, mean of those cases that have

463
00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:44,240
Speaker 3: been ESTABLISHED dna proof actually innocent involved some sort of.

464
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:47,440
Speaker 3: Confession one to, add of every four people that goes

465
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,119
Speaker 3: in the police department that says they did, it we

466
00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:52,639
Speaker 3: have to assume they didn't do. It we have to

467
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,920
Speaker 3: look at it, closer because with that kind of, statistics

468
00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:59,959
Speaker 3: that's demonstrating a tremendous flaw in the criminal justice. System

469
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,520
Speaker 3: so there has to be some sort of way to

470
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:04,919
Speaker 3: corroborate these. Things these things should be taped from the

471
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,920
Speaker 3: beginning to the, end not before the guy starts, confessing

472
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,159
Speaker 3: but from the minute they bringing a suspect into a

473
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:13,280
Speaker 3: police department for an, interrogation they should turn on a.

474
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 3: Camera they should put a tape recorder. There and if

475
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 3: he's going to say, anything everything that he, says let's be,

476
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:22,639
Speaker 3: recorded his, denials his, emissions. Everything let's just not start

477
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 3: the tape record and when he starts confessing and then

478
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 3: shut it off when you got him to sign a.

479
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 4: Paper, right it's not okay to have this movie be

480
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 4: edited by the detectives who are, conducted which is basically what. Happens,

481
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:36,639
Speaker 4: Right they get to choose and selectively show the parts

482
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 4: that they want to build their. Case by the, way

483
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,480
Speaker 4: the good news is that this Week New York state

484
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 4: passed the law that we've been fighting for so At

485
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,200
Speaker 4: The Ends project and other organizations been fighting for it

486
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:50,159
Speaker 4: for so many, years where now videotaping of interrogations is co.

487
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 4: Mandatory AND i think that we have to pay respect

488
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 4: to you and others who have gone through this because

489
00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,400
Speaker 4: without you being out, there as you have done on many,

490
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 4: occasions your story that probably wouldn't have gone through because

491
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 4: the human story is what REALLY i think in many

492
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:10,439
Speaker 4: cases gets legislators to understand that these are changes that

493
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:12,359
Speaker 4: need to be made because these are things that happen

494
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,160
Speaker 4: to real, people, right real people like. YOU i want

495
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:20,879
Speaker 4: to get to the prison experience because it's so hard

496
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 4: to even imagine what it would have been like for

497
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 4: you as a teenager to be thrown into the situation

498
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,159
Speaker 4: where you're going to a maximum security prison as a

499
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 4: convicted rapist and murderer of a twelve year old. Girl,

500
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:40,200
Speaker 4: yeah you're a, big, strong tough, guy but still you're

501
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,120
Speaker 4: in a place that's they eat people alive in, there

502
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:46,440
Speaker 4: especially people who are convicted of these type of. Crimes

503
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 4: how did you deal with? THIS i, mean how could

504
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,680
Speaker 4: anybody deal with? That how do you? Hear? Like? HOW i,

505
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 4: mean it's.

506
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:58,439
Speaker 3: Amazing survival is man's number one. INSTINCT i got to,

507
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 3: PRISON i ain't gonna. LIE i was THAT i didn't

508
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,639
Speaker 3: know WHAT i was. Entering SO i arrived at The

509
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 3: Schwungak Correctional, facility which serious things happen, there but it

510
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 3: is so if they're compared to most, prisons except but

511
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 3: for the fact they sent me INTO b, one which

512
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 3: was housing for all the most dangerous people in the

513
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 3: state that they have to keep a close eye. On

514
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 3: so WHEN i arrived to, PRISON i didn't readily admit

515
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,199
Speaker 3: WHAT i was in prison. For when guys asked, ME

516
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:27,119
Speaker 3: i just blew it. Off, robbery murdered, this that and

517
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,399
Speaker 3: the other, thing AND i just started to go with the.

518
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,399
Speaker 3: Flow when guys started to catch window WHAT i was

519
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 3: in jail, for then problems started to. Happen So i'm

520
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,160
Speaker 3: in a fight or a death. Situation what AM i gonna?

521
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 3: Do there was. PRESSURE i politicked. MOSTLY i tried to

522
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 3: avoid violence WHENEVER i, could and EVENTUALLY i, got you,

523
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,639
Speaker 3: know the attention to certain. Guys they saw my paperwork

524
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,879
Speaker 3: and they gave me a, shot and SO i started

525
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 3: helping other guys. Out and in prison it's you, know there's,

526
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,880
Speaker 3: bloods there's God, bodies which is the five percenters, most

527
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 3: there's The, Italians Latin, Kings there's all different sorts of.

528
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 3: Sex SO i found my way in with, everybody AND

529
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 3: i showed my paperwork and guys started sticking up for.

530
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 3: Me and Plus i'm a big, guy so guys didn't

531
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,120
Speaker 3: want to just straight out, say you, KNOW i had

532
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 3: to pay money or, this that and the other. Thing

533
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 3: as opposed to my co defended who was recently cut

534
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 3: two weeks. AGO i mean they cut him in the.

535
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 3: Face the guards is pressing up on, Them they're waving

536
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 3: the newspaper. Around he lost a recent, appeal and they're

537
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 3: telling all the, inmates you know what he's in jail.

538
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 3: FOR i was able to politic my way through it

539
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,239
Speaker 3: was it always a. Joy NOW i had, trouble and

540
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,479
Speaker 3: there was certain places where the guards were worse than

541
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 3: the inmates.

542
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 4: Because you were transferred around to different.

543
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 3: Places, yeah and certain guards have morals and ethics that

544
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 3: they think is the ethical duty to see to it

545
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 3: that that we do hard time.

546
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 4: Right and so obviously it is the hardest imaginable type

547
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,879
Speaker 4: of time because in this country we don't focus on

548
00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 4: rehabilitation as Other western countries do we focus on, punished

549
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,920
Speaker 4: WHICH i think is backwards. Too except in the maybe

550
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,400
Speaker 4: the most extreme, cases we could have a we could

551
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 4: have an intelligent discussion about. That but and in, fact

552
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 4: yours was an extreme case except you were. Innocent but

553
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 4: that being, SAID i don't believe that senencing somebody twenty

554
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 4: five years life in. Prison, okay we can say maybe

555
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:19,880
Speaker 4: that's an appropriate, sentence maybe it should be, longer maybe

556
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 4: it should be, Shorter but sentencing them to be, tortured

557
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 4: that's not what we do In. America that's not. Appropriate

558
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 4: and the fact is that the way we treat people

559
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,880
Speaker 4: in our prison system effectively is. Torture AND i want

560
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,159
Speaker 4: to talk about privac because his story deserves to be

561
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,400
Speaker 4: heard and people need to get. Involved maybe they could

562
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 4: write to, him if you tell people if he's interested

563
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:39,880
Speaker 4: in having, RIGHT.

564
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 3: I always advocate for people to write to. Them from

565
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 3: time to, TIME i put his address on the. INTERNET

566
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 3: i send them. PICTURES i try to visit them WHEN i.

567
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 3: Can it breaks my heart to see. HIM i bring

568
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 3: him in high Spiritcy he's got a great. Team Professor Riddel,

569
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 3: Bernard Jeffrey deskovic is behind. Him so he's got the

570
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 3: support of our, community the innocence, community and we want

571
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 3: to see him. Out we got his case into the

572
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 3: appellate division now and we're waiting for a decision whether

573
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 3: he can leave to. Appeal BECAUSE i was, acquitted so

574
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,640
Speaker 3: based on the same, proof which consists of some new,

575
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 3: proof he should be entitled to the same shot THAT

576
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 3: i was recently.

577
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 4: Given it's so, strange, Right so you've been, acquitted the

578
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 4: actual perpetrator has been, identified, arrested, convicted, Right so what

579
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 4: possible reason could they have to Hold AND i don't

580
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 4: know as much about his CASE i do about.

581
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 3: Yours, Right, well it's the, same it's pretty much the,

582
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 3: same except he's got a CONFESSION i do, not the false.

583
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 3: CONFESSION i do. Not it's the political climate in the. COMMUNITY.

584
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 3: A they place their own interest above the interest of,

585
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 3: justice so if something, happens if their colleague does something,

586
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 3: wrong they cover up for. IT. B they're worried about paying.

587
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 3: Compensation the county was already sued By, Jeff they're being

588
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 3: sued by other people right now to other. Cases so

589
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 3: the local government wants to keep this swept under the

590
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,239
Speaker 3: rug for as long as. Possible For, however means they.

591
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 3: Can so we're moving. Forward and if they don't want

592
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 3: to accept, it if The putnam DA's office don't want

593
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 3: to accept, It andy's actually, innocent notwithstanding my induction into

594
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 3: The National registry Of Janna, rees notwithstanding the fact that

595
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 3: the wrongful conviction community accepts me as it being actually.

596
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 3: Innocent or we're just going to fight them too to

597
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 3: nail and if they have to roll over and we

598
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 3: just have to just keep on marching, through that's what's

599
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 3: going to, happen Because i'm not going to tolerate these.

600
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 3: People all they want to do is protect their own.

601
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 3: Interests this isn't just they should accept. Responsibility they have their.

602
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 4: Killer they have their, guy they know who it.

603
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 3: Is THERE'S dna, proof there's a.

604
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 4: Confession so what is Now Anthony and they're, thinking, now,

605
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 4: well maybe he had something to do with. It, ALSO i,

606
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 4: mean it doesn't make any. Sense this one is exactly a.

607
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 4: MATCH i mean you don't have to be a skilled

608
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 4: sleuth or detective Or kojak or whatever to figure this one, out.

609
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 4: RIGHT i mean everything that you said leading up to

610
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 4: this point about how all the other crimes, matched and

611
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 4: THE dna and and Everything it's, like obviously it was

612
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 4: this Sick Bastard, gombert right Who Howard gombri who did,

613
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 4: It and so the fact that you're your co defendant

614
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 4: is still rotting and being horribly abused and caught and

615
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 4: everything else in. Prisons to keep everybody up at night

616
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 4: until this guy is, free it doesn't make any logical.

617
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 3: Sense AND i agree with, you AND i just want

618
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,719
Speaker 3: to build a little bit. More we extended the islive

619
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 3: branch to the District attorney's. Office the prior district, Attorney Adam,

620
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 3: levy he actually contacted The Attorney general's office to reinvestigate

621
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 3: our case and was prepared to vacate my judgment in

622
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 3: paperwork that he and my attorneys had drafted together with

623
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 3: The Attorney general, involved based on proof that this guy

624
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 3: costa local, horse perjured, testimony and based on proof That

625
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 3: Howard gombert is the actual. Perpetrator but he lost the

626
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,719
Speaker 3: election to this new, Guy Bob, tendy who is in

627
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 3: bed with The Putnam County, sheriff that's the elected official

628
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 3: down there. Now so instead of continuing to accept this

629
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 3: out of we could work. Together we could solve the.

630
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 3: Crime you could be heroes by being accountable and, responsible

631
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,479
Speaker 3: and we're not going to forgive my language shit on.

632
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 3: You when you let us. Out we're gonna big you

633
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 3: up and we're going to try and help you look

634
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 3: good and as long as you do the right thing for.

635
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 3: Us he said to The Attorney, general you could Kick.

636
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 3: ROCKS i don't need you another advocate for the, defendant

637
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 3: and then proceeded to go through the. Trial now at this,

638
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 3: POINT i made. BAIL i made a million dollars, bail

639
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 3: So i'm, free But i'm on house. ARREST i had

640
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 3: an ankle, bracelet And i'm sitting there And i'm still

641
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 3: waiting to find out if this guy really wants to

642
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 3: take a trial or. Not and he's all. In so

643
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 3: he hires this, Guy Larry, glasser who worked on The

644
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 3: Plausa gobera's, case the football. Star i'm not going to

645
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 3: comment on WHAT i think of. Him so he comes.

646
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,479
Speaker 3: In he's all balls to the, wall hating us and

647
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 3: saying all the foulest things about us and that we're

648
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 3: definitely did it and there's no possibility we're, innocent and

649
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 3: proceeds to go to. Trial NOW i go through the third.

650
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 3: Trial this is the third TIME i got two. Reversals

651
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 3: the first time was the conflict interest from the. Attorney

652
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 3: in twy, eleven two thousand and, six The court Of

653
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 3: appeals granted me and a new trial based on proof

654
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 3: of The Howard gombert that it was suppressed from the retrial.

655
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 3: Judge So i'm going to trial and we pick a

656
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 3: jury and they're being horrible about. It and at the

657
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 3: same time we did all from the other. Branch we

658
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 3: go into the. Trial at the end of the. Trial

659
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 3: the clusing the, TRIAL i Had Mark agniffelow who works

660
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 3: For Ben brockman and, associates And Mark, baker who also

661
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 3: works For Ben, brockman and he did appeal For John.

662
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 3: Gotti great, attorneys superior. Attorneys they get the best. Hearts

663
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 3: they came to the. Summer the whole, summer they were

664
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 3: spending at my. House we were working a. Case we did.

665
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 3: Everything So i'm waiting for the jury. Verdict now it

666
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 3: was five. Hours i'm waiting for the jury, verdict AND i, think,

667
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 3: Man i'm not going to win this BECAUSE i was

668
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 3: beaten down my whole. Life you, KNOW i was a

669
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 3: victim my whole. Life SO i just think that this

670
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 3: is another motion THAT i have to go back to

671
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 3: prison and come, back try and get it back and

672
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 3: forth time the jury comes out with a not guilty.

673
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 3: Verdict So i'm having an artit That jeffrey desk vickers

674
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 3: and tears gives me a bit. Hugged i'm sitting in

675
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 3: my heart's, pounding the lawyers are in, tears my family's in.

676
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 3: TEARS i knew the moment that that was gonna. Happen

677
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 3: the judge looked when he said he was about to

678
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 3: read the. Verdict he looked towards the victim's family and,

679
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 3: AGAIN i have great sympathy for, him and he, said

680
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 3: there'll be no outburst in his. Court and this is

681
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 3: before the jury guy stood. Up and this was like

682
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 3: two three seconds, BEFORE i. Said when he looked over

683
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 3: there and didn't look at, US i KNEW i was coming.

684
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 3: Home AND i came home and it was the greatest

685
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 3: day of my. LIFE i, MEAN i. WAS i lost

686
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 3: bail during the period of TIME i went back to

687
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 3: the jail for whatever. Reason but that, day that was

688
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 3: the day THAT i uh THAT i made it home

689
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 3: AND i was finally free of.

690
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 4: This you're finally. Free it's bittersweet because you know as

691
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 4: well as anybody that this poor Guy Andrew kreeback is

692
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 4: as innocent as you. Are AND i know you're not

693
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 4: gonna really BECAUSE i know the type of person that you.

694
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 4: Are you're not really going to be able to experience

695
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 4: the joy that you deserve until he's home as. Well

696
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 4: but what was that like after you spent more than

697
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 4: half your life in? Prison? Right eighteen years? Old when

698
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,720
Speaker 4: you went in thirty eight thirty, nine when you came.

699
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 3: OUT i was forty forty twenty years.

700
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,320
Speaker 4: Right because the trial proceedings and everything. Else by the

701
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 4: time you actually went to, prison you were, twenty, right

702
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 4: arrested when you're. Eighteen you spent more than half your

703
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 4: life in the, system and you come, Out and what

704
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 4: is that?

705
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 3: Like you walk?

706
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 4: Out what does fresh air smell like when you have?

707
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 4: Anxianity what does freedom feel? Like where do you? Go

708
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 4: what was your first? Instinct did you want a? Milkshake

709
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 4: what did you?

710
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 3: Do you? KNOW i, MEAN i wanted what everybody else,

711
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 3: wanted but it really wanted to spend time with my.

712
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 3: Family there was a lot of shock because prison is

713
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 3: drabb your bland colors and just, everything LIKE i went

714
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 3: to bed and bath AND i just looked at the

715
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 3: wall of toothpaste in, commissary you got three choices of.

716
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:55,959
Speaker 3: Toothpaste So i'm looking at the toothpaste on a, wall

717
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 3: like what AM i? Doing how AM i supposed to make?

718
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,879
Speaker 3: Choices and so even just going to a gas station

719
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 3: and being able to buy a, soda or seeing females

720
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 3: walk around like in, prison you're around. MEN i mean

721
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 3: they got some women. Guards but being able to talk to,

722
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 3: girls to speak to the opposite, sex to be able

723
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 3: to not be wearing state, greens not being barked at,

724
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 3: orders you. Know but the, first the first most important

725
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 3: thing THAT i found coming home was just being able

726
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 3: to be with my family and appreciate the love and

727
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 3: respect that they show me and give back and have

728
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,879
Speaker 3: a good, time have a good. Meal we went To Red.

729
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 3: Lobster what did you? HAVE i had the ultimate. FEAST

730
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 3: i just went every day And i've been having The

731
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 3: ultimate feast Since i've been. Home i'm on diet, now

732
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 3: no carbs at, all so no more. BREAD i went

733
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 3: from two forty to two seventy five and like six.

734
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 4: Months, well AND i want to go back to that

735
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 4: because when we were together and we were hanging out

736
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 4: In miami. Recently, coincidentally we ended up in the same.

737
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,280
Speaker 4: City we were having some. Dinner we're talking and among

738
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 4: all the other horrible things about being in, prison AND

739
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 4: i know you were just talking about the, food AND

740
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 4: i know you don't get a, vegetable you don't get a,

741
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 4: fruit you get basically sloping. There it really, IS i, mean,

742
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 4: bland just terrible. Food some of it's. ROTTEN i, mean

743
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 4: we know all those. Stories but the other thing that's

744
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 4: unique to your. Case it makes me really amazed that

745
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 4: you're walking around, upright is the idea that you're so

746
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 4: big and the beds are too.

747
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 3: Small oh, yeah, mine there's no bed that my feet

748
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 3: didn't hang off fun OR i had to crunch up.

749
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 4: SOMEHOW i, mean IT'S i.

750
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 3: CAN'T i had back problems until the DAY i came.

751
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 3: Home WHEN i came, home my back poms went straight.

752
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 1: Away is not that.

753
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 3: AMAZING i had disc up and down my back and

754
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 3: NOW i haven't had one disc, pain one sharp pain

755
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 3: Since i've been, home And i've been working. Out in,

756
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 3: prison you live on a mat like it's one inch,

757
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 3: thick and it's like you're living on a piece of.

758
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 3: Steel and like you, said sometimes the walls don't fit

759
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 3: a guy six,' six they fit a guy maybe, Six

760
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 3: feet so you have to crunch up and you, have to,

761
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 3: you know find. A way i.

762
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 4: Slept, TOIME yeah i mean you got to just wake

763
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 4: up with cramps in places that they don't even know,

764
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 4: you HAVE places i can't. Even imagine ON top i

765
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 4: SAID as i, TALK about, i mean on top of,

766
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 4: the loneliness, the violence the lack of appropriate, physical contact all,

767
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 4: of it it just adds up to just such a.

768
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 4: Total NIGHTMARE but i want to go back to prison for.

769
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,879
Speaker 4: A second was there a worst time and was there?

770
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 4: Anything positive was there one moment that you could. Think

771
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 4: back was there a connection you made with somebody on.

772
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 4: The inside was there some moment?

773
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:34,360
Speaker 3: Of HOPE was i mean there was BROTHERHOOD when i Was.

774
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 3: In attica we were, living good we, were cooking we,

775
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 3: had pans everybody. Had TVs there was a commaderat in

776
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 3: the cell block where there was. No problem everybody KNEW

777
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 3: who i was and everybody, respected me and there was

778
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,720
Speaker 3: a brotherhood. Between us but there was times where prison

779
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 3: guards would come to myself because they heard out about

780
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 3: antid dipipples in their jail and they decided to break

781
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 3: on my things and threaten me, with that AND so

782
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,839
Speaker 3: i experienced that in certain Pay. Like sullivan it's a

783
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 3: tough prison when you have the guards going against you

784
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 3: because they are the biggest gang in. The prison when

785
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 3: you have the guards going, against you you. Can't win

786
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 3: so you have to walk on eggshells because anything. You

787
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 3: do if you decide, One day i'm gonna fight the

788
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 3: GUARDS because i don't like the pressure that they're putting,

789
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 3: on me you're gonna get. More time they're gonna send you.

790
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 3: To prison inside, of prison you're gonna go to, the

791
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 3: box and then you're gonna get one to three or seven.

792
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 3: More Years so i'm thinking to myself and to these

793
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 3: TIMES that i was pressured that my family. Loves me

794
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 3: they invested three million Dollars since i've been in costwrated

795
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 3: three million dollars into my. CRIMINAL defense i would not

796
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 3: be RESPECTFUL if i got caught up in some other

797
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 3: thing where they get me OFF or i want to

798
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 3: say the. Word off they prove them actually innocent for

799
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 3: this CRIME and i do something now STUPID that i can't.

800
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,319
Speaker 3: Come home so at CERTAIN times i stayed in. MY

801
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 3: cell i bit my FIST and i Just said i'm gonna.

802
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 3: Eat this AND luckily i didn't come across any SITUATION

803
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 3: where i had to do. More time but there were

804
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:02,959
Speaker 3: TIMES that i want to come out myself and. HURT

805
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 3: something i just made sure those days were the DAYS

806
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 3: that i want to lock IN because i love, MY

807
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 3: family i. LOVE myself i want to.

808
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,919
Speaker 4: Go home is there a moment when you think back

809
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 4: where you experienced any type of. POSITIVE thing, i mean

810
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:18,919
Speaker 4: there's a lot.

811
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 3: Of ups. In prison you, become bipolar so you would have,

812
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 3: severe depression which even if you're not bipolar as, a

813
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,800
Speaker 3: person you will experience some sort. Of it so there'll

814
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 3: be great downs when you lose your APPEALS and i

815
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,399
Speaker 3: peeled more than. Twenty times when you lose your appeals

816
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 3: and you have to go to the. Next step but

817
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 3: then there's. Great hope if you know you're innocent and you're,

818
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 3: getting closer you get, this high this you, floric High

819
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 3: like i'm. Right there and then when, you win even

820
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 3: if you're still, in prison when you just win leave.

821
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 3: To appeal you don't even get the right, to appeal

822
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 3: that brings. You up when certain people, write you like

823
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 3: ex girlfriends or. Loved ones the girls want to come.

824
00:39:56,640 --> 00:40:00,359
Speaker 3: See you and you've been down for, so long ups,

825
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,879
Speaker 3: in prison you live, in life so you just can't

826
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 3: walk around for twenty years saying this is an. Awful

827
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 3: experience i'm gonna, Hate myself i'm gonna hate everything. In

828
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 3: it you got to try to make the most of what,

829
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 3: you got and THAT'S what.

830
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 4: I did that's a very, spiritual approach, very evolved, AND

831
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 4: really i think for those of us who hear, you

832
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 4: speak it's. Absolutely REMARKABLE and i think That the exoneries

833
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 4: as a whole embody. That Attitude and i've heard some

834
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 4: of the guys say and women say that for the

835
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,720
Speaker 4: people who weren't able to get to that, spiritual place

836
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 4: if you want to, call, it that they're still stuck

837
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 4: in there because they sort of gave. Up hope and,

838
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 4: for you you. Kept fighting in a. Certain sense you.

839
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 4: Were lucky, at me you can't call, yourself lucky but

840
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 4: it WAS fortunately i.

841
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 3: Had family, with money AND then i also put, in

842
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 3: WORK so i was in the trenches with them the.

843
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 4: Whole way when you, CAME out i almost want to trace.

844
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 4: Those steps you, come out, you're euphoric you go into

845
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 4: a car with. Your family, everyone's ecstatic so happy to

846
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 4: have you back because it's a burden on the family

847
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 4: too when someone's. Wrongfully convicted but it drags, everybody down

848
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 4: anybody who, loves you, of, Course right so then do you?

849
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:11,240
Speaker 4: Drive away where'd you? Go first you went. HOME first

850
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 4: i really.

851
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 3: Didn't have an idea what we wanted. To Do so jeff,

852
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 3: was there AND so i wanted to. Go eat nobody

853
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:18,800
Speaker 3: knew where we wanted to. Go eat there was about

854
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 3: twenty of us that were there. That day some people

855
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 3: didn't even think there was going to be a verdict

856
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 3: that day and, went home one of my attorneys almost

857
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 3: crashing on the side of. The road so, they said,

858
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 3: you know what do you want. To Do so, jeff's

859
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 3: like let's Go To. RED lobster i have waited to

860
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 3: Go To red loopster for, so LONG so i just

861
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 3: went on his suggestion and it. Was great we went,

862
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 3: over there we had drinks and THEN while i. Was

863
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,879
Speaker 3: there this was one of the. Remarkable things was one

864
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 3: of the guards that was taking me to trial during

865
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 3: the first trial in ninety seven. Was there he's not a,

866
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 3: guard anymore a Guy Named Orphuser. San sandria he came up,

867
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 3: to me and, HE'S like i, want to, you know just.

868
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 3: CONGRATULATE you i didn't know who, he was and This

869
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 3: is i'm just out a hot hour and a half

870
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 3: and he's shaking. My Head so, i'm like. Thank you you, Don't, remember,

871
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:02,359
Speaker 3: YEAH no i was taking you to the trial. BACK

872
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 3: then i thought something was wrong. Back then let me

873
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 3: buy you. A beer so one of, the guards one

874
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 3: of the jailers that was taking me to my, original

875
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 3: trial who felt something, was off gave me, a, big

876
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 3: tall blue moved with a little orange, in IT and

877
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 3: i bang that back and it was just. An. Experience

878
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 3: man i'm very thankful.

879
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 4: FOR him i trying to imagine how good lobster tastes

880
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 4: after twenty years of. Terrible food how good does beer

881
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,919
Speaker 4: taste after twenty years of? No, Beer, so anthony there's

882
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 4: a rather bizarre aspect of your post exoneration life that

883
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 4: really just boggles. My mind in spite of all the

884
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,319
Speaker 4: other things you've been through which are, so terrible now

885
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 4: there's another indignity that the state is throwing at you

886
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 4: and you basically you can't get a. Driver's license is, that?

887
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 3: Right RIGHT so i Go to Department Of motor vehicles

888
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 3: and they, tell me you got. Outstanding TICKETS so i

889
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 3: went to the town courthouse to go pay the. Tickets

890
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 3: off so they're telling me these tickets amount to ten

891
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 3: points on. My license these are tickets from. Ninety five

892
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 3: the signal. Was speeding and, You know i'm not DEBATING

893
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 3: whether i did these things. Or not, YOU know i

894
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 3: was a dumb thinker as. A youth but at, this

895
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 3: POINT now i come home, twenty years you figure it will.

896
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 3: Be resolved and so now they're telling ME that i

897
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 3: may have another additional year of. Suspended license, that's like,

898
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 3: all right you were wrongfully convicted for, twenty years but

899
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 3: here a matter, of fact on TOP of i have

900
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:24,800
Speaker 3: an additional year without a license to extend your sentence.

901
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 4: OR whatever, i mean. It's crazy that's the statute of

902
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 4: limitations that almost all crimes. EXCEPT murder i think rape is.

903
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 4: TEN years i.

904
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 3: Don't think traffic violations got statue. Of limitations it's, that.

905
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:37,359
Speaker 4: Believable right. IT'S unbelievable i mean that you're, coming on you're,

906
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 4: going Wait but i've been locked up for. Twenty days,

907
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 4: they like that's. All right it's like saying, to you,

908
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 4: You know i'm don't care if the door, is locked you're, still,

909
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,760
Speaker 4: LATE right, i, mean like what are you. Talking about

910
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 4: IT'S just, i mean at a, certain point the bureaucracy

911
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 4: should grow a heart, And, say okay you, Know what

912
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 4: we're going to make a little exception here for. This, Guy,

913
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 4: okay so but that's not. The case so it must

914
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 4: be an. Unbelievable feeling it's a lot of.

915
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 3: Culture Shock so i'm. Me in i'm joining. My life

916
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 3: at the, same TIME when i look back, ON it

917
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:08,320
Speaker 3: i feel guilty because there's so many people that deserve

918
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,399
Speaker 3: that that are still behind BARS that i haven't made.

919
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 3: It home at the, SAME time i feel HAPPY and

920
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 3: i enjoy the Things that i'm, enjoying NOW and i

921
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 3: still got a lot more to Go because i'm still

922
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 3: trying to. REINTEGRATE myself i always look BACK and, i

923
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 3: SAY if i could just help, one person one person

924
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 3: achieve their freedom that don't deserve to be. In prison

925
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,320
Speaker 3: in the back of, My mind i'm always thinking, about

926
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 3: People and i'm sure you get it to, you know everybody,

927
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 3: needs HELP and, I wish I wish i could. HELP

928
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 3: everybody i just wish anybody that could BE reached i,

929
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 3: could reach, you know im practical to think that you can.

930
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 3: Do that but if you can help one person or,

931
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 3: TWO people i think that benefits society as.

932
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 4: A whole and that's an. Incredible message AND certainly i

933
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 4: try to spend my days try to figure out, exactly,

934
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 4: that right HOW can i get One more Anthony de,

935
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 4: pippo out because it's just, an incredible incredible feeling to see,

936
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:10,280
Speaker 4: that transformation to see justice served after all, these years

937
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,800
Speaker 4: to see somebody like you get their life back. On track,

938
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 4: YOU know i call it. SELFISH altruism i do it

939
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 4: because it makes me. FEEL good i got.

940
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 3: A great passion, for it and, you know it's. Very

941
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 3: admirable the point you are in, your career you don't

942
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 3: need to be, doing this but it's something that you

943
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 3: do out of love and respect and trying to give

944
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 3: back and find a solution to. A problem it's. VERY

945
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,879
Speaker 3: admirable i think your dad was involved, in this right

946
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 3: With the. Innis's, project well.

947
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 4: My dad was a supporter Of the. Innists project and,

948
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 4: my dad who was my hero he. Still is he

949
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 4: really instilled in my BROTHER and i a sense of

950
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 4: right and wrong and an idea that what you do

951
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 4: to make the world a better place defines you as,

952
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 4: a person not what. You accomplish he, told us do

953
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 4: whatever you want, to do try to be the best,

954
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 4: at it but just make the world a. Better place,

955
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 4: he goes that's the meaning. Of SUCCESS and i wanted

956
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 4: to be a success in his EYES because i looked

957
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 4: up to him. SO much i definitely credit him for

958
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 4: giving me, this passion and he was. His, Firm actually

959
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:08,280
Speaker 4: scadden is a huge supporter Of the, inniss project donates

960
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 4: thousands of pro, bono hours has been involved in some

961
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 4: very important exonerations and they're, all IMPORTANT but i mean

962
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 4: some that have actually driven, change systemically and so it's

963
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 4: really full circle to be able to work in, this

964
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 4: field especially with his spirit hanging over. And guiding it's,

965
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 4: you know it's funny YOU said i don't need to be.

966
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 4: DOING it i do need to be. DOING it, i

967
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 4: mean this IS what i need to. Be doing this

968
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 4: Is what i'm. Here For and i'm very lucky in

969
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 4: a lot. Of Ways but i'm very lucky to be

970
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,720
Speaker 4: in a position to be able to help certain PEOPLE

971
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 4: and i want to help as MANY as. I can

972
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,439
Speaker 4: and to get back, TO that i know a lot

973
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 4: of people that are listening to you speak, right now

974
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 4: are saying the. Same thing, they're saying HOW can? I

975
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 4: help WHAT can? I do and let's start with the

976
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 4: Case Of. ANDREW kreevac i mean what can? People do?

977
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,359
Speaker 3: All right so anybody wishing To Contact andrew kreevac may.

978
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 4: Do So andrew kreeve please do right. TO him i

979
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 4: know he'd love to hear. From you and it's number

980
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 4: NINE seven a four two Three Six Wendy, correctional facility

981
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 4: the we and de three zero Four Zero wendy Road,

982
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:17,319
Speaker 4: In Alden, new york one four zero. Zero four that's

983
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 4: one one.

984
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 3: Eighty seven and we'll put this address on the website

985
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,720
Speaker 3: for a Roll for. Conviction podcast so what can people

986
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 3: do To Help? Andrew kreevak just offer your support and

987
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 3: become Aware and i'll help. Raise awareness and then when

988
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 3: his case comes up and the opposite side or the

989
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 3: adversaries start, making comments then try to make. Comments back

990
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 3: We Have. Attorneys forum he's being represented pro Bono By

991
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 3: adele Bernard and Victor cepos so he's got a. Great Team,

992
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 3: jeffrey deskovic of course we're. Behind him offer, moral support

993
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 3: anything you, COULD do i think that will. Help us

994
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,919
Speaker 3: get us over the home, right NOW the da is being.

995
00:47:56,920 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 3: Stubborn again they're placing their own interest above the interest,

996
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:03,320
Speaker 3: of justice the interest to justice for Not Only andrew kreevak,

997
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 3: and myself but for the victims in, this matter jose

998
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:09,359
Speaker 3: at right and the, Other Girl, robin Murphy Who howard

999
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 3: gombert also in my. View killed based ON what i told,

1000
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 3: you earlier there are ways you can help the actually.

1001
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 3: INNOCENT anyway i mean some, you know there's some places you,

1002
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 3: can donate like To The, innocence project To The Jeffrey,

1003
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 3: deskovic foundation but some people don't have the money. To

1004
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 3: donate and when you don't have the money, to donate

1005
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 3: you can always offer moral support and. Always stay it's, always.

1006
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 4: Corner and you can go to. The websites go To

1007
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 4: The Jeffrey deskovic foundation and learn about. Their work Go

1008
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 4: to innocenceproject. Dot org there's. Some instructions there are things

1009
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:41,800
Speaker 4: you can do to. Get involved before, We, CLOSE anthony

1010
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 4: i always like, to ask is there anything else that

1011
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,359
Speaker 4: you want to share with the audience from.

1012
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 3: Your, Experience well i'm trying to do my best to

1013
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 3: try to help people and trying to give back to

1014
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 3: the justice system to the wrongful. Conviction community i'm currently

1015
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 3: working With The Jeffrey deskovic foundation. Analyzing cases i'm trying

1016
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 3: to determine who we, could help. Who's reachable there's a

1017
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:11,720
Speaker 3: lot of innocence people, in There but i'm trying to determine.

1018
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 3: Who's reachable at the, Same time i'm going AROUND and

1019
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 3: i encourage people to try to do the. Same thing i'm.

1020
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 3: Going around i'm. Lobbying lawmakers i'm with it can happen.

1021
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 3: To You Professor bennett gershman and you may have heard.

1022
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 3: Of him we're trying to pass a piece of legislation

1023
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 3: Creating a commission On A, prosecutorial conduct which would be

1024
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 3: an additional grievance committee for prosecutors who commit misconduct as

1025
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 3: a form. Of deterrence so prosecutors won't withhold evidence if

1026
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 3: they know that there's going to be a penalty aside

1027
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 3: from the, agreements committee or they won't knowingly use. Perjured

1028
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 3: testimony they try to create. Some balance, you know the

1029
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 3: system works on checks, and balances and so, You know i'm,

1030
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 3: Out there i'm trying. To lobby i'm trying to work

1031
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 3: if you can help anyway with The wrongful, conviction movement whether,

1032
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:04,319
Speaker 3: it's don't, moral, support anything is. Greatly appreciated and there's

1033
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 3: other people that are in prison that deserve to. Come

1034
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 3: HOME if i could give my life to bring ten,

1035
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 3: PEOPLE home i probably would. Do, it guys just give

1036
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 3: me one. More day i'll go do have, some fun

1037
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:17,439
Speaker 3: and then you could come from my soul and let

1038
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 3: ten other free people out that don't deserve to be.

1039
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:20,880
Speaker 3: IN prison i would probably.

1040
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:29,520
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1041
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1042
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1043
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1044
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1045
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:45,560
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1046
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:48,960
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1047
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